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[04:24:14] <zauslande> has anyone received a Beagleboard X-15 yet?
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[06:28:58] <cart_man> Hey is there a good Premade BeagleBone Black QEMU setup ?
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[07:40:36] <tbr> cart_man: you can just install qemu on the debian image. Or did you mean to emulate the board?
[07:41:21] <tbr> the latter is not really possible if you depend on the hardware. if you just want to run ARMv7 binaries, it will of course work, slowly.
[07:41:34] <cart_man> tbr: I want to write Startup scripts for a Beaglebone Black WITHOUT a Beaglbone black... I do not have a board but I am required to work with it soo I want to emulate one
[07:42:44] <tbr> what are those scripts supposed to do?
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[07:48:22] <cart_man> tbr: Just run a C program and a NodeJS server
[07:48:31] <cart_man> So both of them should start up when the System starts up
[07:48:33] <cart_man> tbr: ^^
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[07:50:18] <tbr> compile the program for x86(64) and do your development on an virtual machine
[07:50:32] <tbr> there's nothing arm specific in what you're about to do
[07:51:34] <tbr> getting debian jessie up in a vm is quick, as opposed of getting it to work under qemu-arm, which is going to be super-slow for no added benefit
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[07:54:02] <cart_man> tbr: Ok way soo... Debian Jessie has the exact same startup seq then the BeagleBone black? Do not know why I did not think of that
[07:54:37] <tbr> well, the default image for the BBB is debian jessie
[07:54:48] <tbr> or are you targetting a different linux distribution?
[07:55:36] <cart_man> tbr: Nope the default one
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[07:56:42] <tbr> then you should be able to do the generic things on a debian jessie (systemd) vm too
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[07:57:03] <tbr> you will obviously still want to do integration tests and verification on real hardware
[07:57:57] <cart_man> tbr: Yea...well the programs are not that intense vs Hardware... and I know that the programs do run. So its just a matter of getting them to start up . Its quite a mission to get a NOdeJS server to start up on its own actualy
[07:58:24] <cart_man> tbr: I can only see Debian version 8.2 for download.. would that work ?
[07:58:39] <uavcam> 8 = jessie
[08:00:15] <cart_man> uavcam: Ohh ok .. cool thanks guys I appreciate it
[08:01:24] <tbr> you'll want to write systemd .service files, btw
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[08:05:01] <uavcamm> https://rocketeer.be/articles/deploying-node-js-with-systemd/ have a lookt at this
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[08:25:43] <Tom__> I am desperately looking for a small form factor PC like the Minnowboard with a USB 3.0 support
[08:25:56] <Tom__> the BeagleBoard-X15 is not available yet, from what I've gathered?
[08:26:52] <uavcamm> right
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[08:27:44] <tbr> also it's quite expensive
[08:28:57] <Tom__> so not available and quite expensive?
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[08:29:29] <Tom__> any other options out there?
[08:33:30] <uavcamm> minnowboard max should have usb 3
[08:34:37] <tbr> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Meegopad-T04-Windows10-World-First-Intel-Atom-Cherry-Trail-x5-Z8300-CPU-Z8300-14NM-2MB/32480455686.html
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[08:35:39] <av500> meego, the name that refuses to die
[08:35:52] <uavcamm> most the inter NUCs should have usb3.0 too
[08:35:59] <tbr> av500: for some reason the chinese like it, yeah. I keep seeing them use it
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[08:39:05] <Tom__> don't believe the meego does usb3
[08:39:09] <Tom__> thi minnowboard does
[08:39:11] <Tom__> it's perfect
[08:39:21] <Tom__> but somebody in the office connected 12V to it
[08:39:24] <Tom__> magic smoke
[08:39:28] <Tom__> and they're all out of stock
[08:39:43] <tbr> it says usb3 on that aliexpress page and it's a z8300 cherry-trail
[08:40:39] <Tom__> ah, sorry, you are correct
[08:40:49] <Tom__> only problem I'm trying to source something asap
[08:40:50] <ds2> blah
[08:41:27] <Tom__> and, as we're in Lithuania
[08:41:34] <Tom__> it's proving to be a bit of a pickle
[08:42:08] <uavcam> its comming from hongkong. should be there in 3dys if you pay the delivery fees
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[08:42:43] <tbr> or look at soekris or the like
[08:42:48] <tbr> those ship from within europe
[08:43:37] <Tom__> ok, thank you
[08:43:47] <uavcam> if you have skype: twinfish-liyyuan they are building the things. ask for a sample and how fast they can deliver ;)
[08:44:26] <Tom__> which things?
[08:44:33] <Tom__> btw thank you for the offer, uavcam
[08:44:35] <uavcam> meego pads
[08:44:37] <Tom__> ah
[08:44:38] <Tom__> ok
[08:45:02] <Tom__> but we kind of need it tomorrow the latest
[08:45:09] <Tom__> I know it's a tall order
[08:45:09] <Tom__> :)
[08:45:22] <Tom__> but there's been a DHL fuck up yesterday
[08:45:27] <Tom__> and now we're in panic mode
[08:46:30] <tbr> then order within europe with express delivery
[08:47:43] <uavcam> amazon should deliver from poland.
[08:48:02] <uavcam> 24h is possible i think
[08:48:41] <Tom__> is the PL branch operational?
[08:48:51] <LetoThe2nd> any serious IT reseller will deliver 100s of intel nucs even today, if you can pay. whats the point?
[08:48:54] <Tom__> I believe Germany is the closest we got
[08:49:20] <uavcam> no poland is operational since almost 2 years
[08:49:26] <Tom__> oh wow
[08:49:32] <uavcam> romania too i think
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[08:49:59] <Tom__> no storefront though?
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[08:50:44] <uavcam> you will need to buy a intel nuc on amazon i think. so better to ask local resellers first
[08:51:00] <uavcam> as leto said they will be very fast
[08:51:29] <Tom__> I've looked at the NUC
[08:51:47] <tbr> I'd probably try to source some pc part. There surely should be local supply of mini-itx or nuc.
[08:51:51] <Tom__> can they use 12V?
[08:52:06] <LetoThe2nd> make them use it.
[08:52:14] <LetoThe2nd> whats the point?
[08:52:46] <uavcam> the same as always: noe, cheap, rocketscience
[08:52:51] <uavcam> now...
[08:53:02] <LetoThe2nd> if you got enough money, everything is possible. if you're not willing to spend more than 100€, the discussion is m00t
[08:53:16] <LetoThe2nd> then get off my lawn with your panic mode :)
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[08:55:16] <tbr> hardware alone will cost 100+, then add rush delivery 20-80€ and possibly some peripherals. so 200 is minimum
[08:56:07] <LetoThe2nd> i would rather estimate 500+X
[08:56:22] <Tom__> is what's the point an existential question or are you asking why we need it?
[08:56:49] <LetoThe2nd> Tom__: "what's the point" means "i don't see your problem, what are you complaining about?"
[08:57:38] <Tom__> the problem is that sourcing a light, small form factor pc that supports usb 3 and is not too power intensive does not seem trivial
[08:57:45] <Tom__> I might be mistaken, which would be nice
[08:58:17] <tbr> Tom__: have you gone through local PC suppliers looking for mini/micro-itx and nuc yet?
[08:58:18] <Tom__> if this inquiry goes against chat rules then please forgive me
[08:58:28] <Tom__> looking at them
[08:58:31] <Tom__> might be our best bet
[08:58:58] <LetoThe2nd> Tom__: sorry, but so far you neither specified "light" and "not power intensive". you only told us about your panic and that you need something *today*
[08:59:26] <LetoThe2nd> Tom__: which essentially then means "i need a pc that runs on 12V and has usb3 right now". and that is easy.
[08:59:46] <tbr> also ordering from amazon is no good if you need it delivered on time. they have wild fluctuations
[08:59:53] <LetoThe2nd> on super shorthand notice you of course won't get anything highly power optimized.
[09:00:21] <tbr> one of the large electronics distributors would be better suited and more expensive: arrow, avnet, digikey, farnell, ...
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[09:00:49] <uavcam> or try kilobaitas.lt
[09:00:50] <LetoThe2nd> i mean, are we talking *serious business*, or a one-of-a-kind tinkering thing
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[09:01:26] <LetoThe2nd> in the former, just throw money at ingrammicro or such. anything is possible
[09:01:44] <Tom__> it's being mounted in a fixed wing UAV
[09:02:03] <uavcam> to do what?
[09:02:09] <LetoThe2nd> in the one-of-a-kind tinkering case, and being short at money... well good luck.
[09:02:12] <Tom__> to control oem cameras
[09:02:27] <Tom__> 100g is about all we can spare
[09:02:34] <Tom__> is grams, not gold :)
[09:02:47] <uavcam> usb 3.0 cameras?
[09:02:49] * LetoThe2nd fall dead on the floor laughing and returns to real topics.
[09:03:07] <Tom__> yes
[09:03:26] <Tom__> like this
[09:03:27] <Tom__> http://buyersguide.pennwell.com/Shared/User/pr60e1eb6c583941ccb9de79fce2ded1d6.png
[09:03:57] <uavcam> > 10MP?
[09:05:58] <Tom__> some
[09:06:00] <Tom__> others just 5
[09:06:27] <uavcam> using 5m with 60fps and usb2.0
[09:06:30] <uavcam> no problem at all
[09:06:50] <uavcam> but >10mp will be a problem
[09:06:58] <Tom__> usb 2.0 doesn't provide enough power
[09:07:15] <Tom__> another option I tried was using a hub with external power
[09:07:31] <Tom__> but they'd also have to be tricked that the system supports USB 3
[09:08:36] <uavcam> so the bard should record the video?
[09:08:48] <Tom__> yes
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[09:12:33] <tbr> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/single-board-computers/8829691/ - would need RAM
[09:15:57] <uavcam> get someone to desolder all those connectors ;)
[09:16:04] <Tom__> :)
[09:17:20] <Tom__> another option is trying to source the chip that was burned on the Minnowboard
[09:17:32] <Tom__> perhaps I should stop spamming the main chat
[09:17:48] <Tom__> uavcam, I'll drop you a pm
[09:18:06] <Tom__> doest this thing do pm? :D
[09:18:26] <uavcam> click where my name blinks
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[10:32:45] <gunther_> I tried to apply the RT-Patch on the Beaglebone(via Buildroot), but the CAN-Module doesnt work with the Serial-Cape of the Beaglebone
[10:32:57] <gunther_> any idea?
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[14:19:56] <mckoan> I am using BBB and U-Boot 2014.04 doesn't save env
[14:20:10] <mckoan> U-Boot# save
[14:20:10] <mckoan> Saving Environment to NAND...
[14:20:10] <mckoan> Erasing NAND...
[14:20:10] <mckoan> Attempt to erase non block-aligned data
[14:20:50] <mckoan> shoud it work out of the box?
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[14:38:33] <mckoan> https://e2e.ti.com/support/arm/sitara_arm/f/791/t/342667
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[21:24:35] <lost> I have a quick question that I'm hoping someone can help...
[21:25:11] <lost> I'm currently using google chrome and I'm having trouble downloading the latest image of Debian from the beaglebone site
[21:26:00] <lost> when I click on the link for both "Wheezy" and "Jessie", instead of downloading a file I'm taken to a new page of garbly gook
[21:26:25] <vagrantc> try right-clicking and select download?
[21:27:10] <lost> I did try that with no luck. There's no option to download. Just "open in a new tab" "open in a new window" etc
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[21:27:43] <vagrantc> try a different browser? :)
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[21:28:07] <lost> IE is giving the same issue, but have not tried firefox
[21:28:36] <vagrantc> what's the URL ?
[21:28:49] <lost> http://beagleboard.org/latest-images
[21:30:01] <zmatt> yep, webserver is a moron
[21:30:05] <zmatt> Content-Type: text/html
[21:30:15] <zmatt> on the .xz files
[21:30:25] <vagrantc> got the gobbly gook too ... right click -> save link as in iceweasel
[21:30:55] <zmatt> or use wget
[21:31:04] <zmatt> I wouldn't trust save-as anyway
[21:31:50] <zmatt> with this wrong mimetype, the browser would probably implicitly replace every CRLF by LF, thus destroying the file
[21:32:23] <zmatt> lost: just use the links you can find here -> http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian
[21:32:39] <zmatt> until jkridner fixes the mime-type on the webserver :P
[21:32:55] <jkridner> zmatt: where?
[21:33:02] <jkridner> ah...
[21:33:05] <jkridner> latest-images.
[21:33:14] * jkridner will check out the mime-type
[21:33:35] <lost> thanks for the help
[21:33:48] <ds2> use curl or wget
[21:34:21] <zmatt> ds2: I just realized they'll probably do CRLF -> LF conversion too?
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[21:36:19] * jkridner notes that buildbot is serving the images there right now.
[21:37:40] <jkridner> zmatt: application/x-xz desired?
[21:38:00] <zmatt> uhh, lemme see
[21:38:04] <ds2> zmatt: there is an option for that, IIRC
[21:38:21] <zmatt> jkridner: seems so, yes
[21:39:14] <jkridner> From /etc/mime.types: Note: Compression schemes like "gzip", "bzip", and "compress" are not actually "mime-types". They are "encodings" and hence must _not_ have entries in this file to map their extensions. The "mime-type" of an encoded file refers to the type of data that has been encoded, not the type of encoding.
[21:39:44] <ds2> that's for upload
[21:39:45] <zmatt> jkridner: yada yada, what's the mime-type for a raw filesystem image? :P
[21:40:02] <zmatt> jkridner: rcn-ee uses x-xz and it works fine
[21:40:55] <zmatt> more importantly, if xz is treated as an encoding rather than as a file type, assuming the browser actually understands it, then it would be decompressed on the fly by the browser
[21:41:06] <zmatt> which probably isn't what you want
[21:42:18] <jkridner> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=83054&action=edit
[21:42:49] <zmatt> jkridner: this is all just pedantry anyway
[21:42:57] <zmatt> no browser or downloader is going to care about the difference
[21:42:59] <jkridner> yeah.
[21:43:06] <jkridner> just needs to be application/something
[21:43:13] <stt_michael> application/x-zip :p
[21:43:18] <zmatt> application/x-something-unfamiliar
[21:43:32] <jkridner> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8832312/can-buildbot-webstatus-be-customized-to-return-content-type-other-than-text-html
[21:43:54] <stt_michael> lol @ text/html .. for a buildbot .. seriously.
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[21:46:01] <zmatt> jkridner: but the comment in mime.types, while sort of true, is also kind of hazardous. assuming you *do* manage to configure the server correctly to treat it as an .img file (application/x-raw-disk-image or whatever) that happens to be stored xz encoded, and the browser/downloader does not declare support for xz-compression, then the webserver would be obligated to decompress the data on the fly and serve
[21:46:07] <zmatt> the file without compression
[21:49:57] <zmatt> jkridner: are the buildbot images essentially the same as rcn-ee's μSD/standalone lxqt-4gb images, or is there a relevant difference between them?
[21:50:36] <jkridner> no notable difference
[21:51:01] <jkridner> just an automation/knowledge thing for me.
[21:51:28] <jkridner> I think the Wheezy is an lxde image.
[21:51:43] <jkridner> The Jessie image doesn't have Chromium to save space (it is under 2GB)
[21:51:53] <zmatt> ah it's the 2gb image
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[21:52:03] <zmatt> and yeah I meant jessie, I stopped caring about wheezy a long time ago
[21:52:22] <zmatt> I run stretch on all BBBs here actually
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[21:52:52] <jkridner> Content-Type: application/x-xz is done now
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[21:52:57] <zmatt> woo \o/
[21:53:09] <jkridner> thanks for the heads-up!
[21:53:40] <zmatt> credit goes to lost, who understandly got lost when he clicked the link ;)
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[21:54:10] <jkridner> well, thanks for adding a 'jkridner' in the conversation.
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[21:55:11] <zmatt> hehe, you're welcome, I know any complaints about stuff on that page should be forwarded to you ;)
[21:56:01] <zmatt> what the heck is the "BeagleBone Black Industrial" ...
[21:56:07] <lost> thanks for tracking down the issue and explaining it
[21:56:25] <ds2> BeagleBone black with a less shiny solder mask?
[21:56:35] <zmatt> red...
[21:56:46] <ds2> along with some smoke stacks on there
[21:57:09] <zmatt> http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-78671
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[22:03:13] <zmatt> ok, so it's just a BBB, except for not actually being black
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[22:03:53] <zmatt> at least the BBG people had the decency to change the name to match the change in pcb color :P
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[22:16:18] <zmatt> bbl
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[22:38:09] <zmatt> jkridner: btw, the jessie link says "4GB" in the description (although it indeed links to the 2gb image)
[22:39:47] <GrumpeiYokoi> It's in a quantum superposition
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[23:42:42] <zmatt> GrumpeiYokoi: well it's obviously been measured already so that would have collapsed
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