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[00:00:36] * Topic is 'http://beagleboard.org/chat has a guide on how to ask questions and links to the logs | never ask to ask, just ask | be patient | pastebin a boot log | http://ahsoftware.de/Beaglebone_Black_Boot_explained.svg | http://beagleboard.org/latest-images | http://beagleboard.org/Support/bone101 | direct bonescript/node.js questions to #beagle-bonescript | books: http://bit.ly/bbb-books'
[00:00:36] * Set by KotH!~attila@erica.kinali.ch on Wed Jul 15 13:55:07 UTC 2015
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[01:08:57] <rhodes> Hello, i wonder if i have killed my BBB after plugging it in a 9V instead of a 5V power supply, only the PWR led shines, is there anything that i can do?
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[01:28:39] <GenTooMan> I am uncertain I would have to hunt down the schematics and lurk at it.
[01:32:44] <rhodes> I'm still trying to see if its still alive, i'll report back!
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[01:33:27] <GenTooMan> Use USB
[01:35:50] <rhodes> I'm currently using it, 3.0 one to be exact.
[01:39:29] <GenTooMan> I doubt the # will do a thing it just needs 200-400ma according to the specs.
[01:40:16] <GenTooMan> You should be able to ping some IP address I can't remember 192.168.7.1 I think it creates when it boots for the default
[01:42:54] <rhodes> Thanks GenTooMan, but i gotta go now, i'll get back here soon and report back!
[01:42:57] <GrumpeiYokoi> From the host you can ping the BBB at 192.168.7.2
[01:43:14] <GrumpeiYokoi> The host registers as 192.168.7.1
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[01:52:04] <zmatt> if only the power led shines it's not booting
[01:52:17] <zmatt> but not broken either
[01:52:23] <zmatt> the pmic has overvoltage protection
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[02:06:21] <Randy___> hello
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[02:11:17] <alairock> I have an LED array in P8_13 and my only options seems to be boolean (On/Off)
[02:11:32] <alairock> However I want to fade this LED array.
[02:12:11] <alairock> Is it a different pin I need to put it in?
[02:12:16] * alairock nooob
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[02:57:08] <Set_> Hello...
[02:57:14] <Set_> Dudes...guess what?
[02:57:34] <Set_> I got the dang Debian image (new) booted finally.
[02:57:37] <Set_> But...
[02:58:00] <Set_> There is one small problem. I have another SD card in my slot. Oops.
[02:58:13] <Set_> I keep making these mistakes.
[02:58:36] <Set_> I booted via SD card a Wyliodrin.com BBB image. Dang it!
[02:58:42] <Set_> I will just have to see what happens.
[02:59:05] <Set_> Who knows node.js?
[02:59:39] <zmatt> alairock: it's a pwm-capable pin, but may need to be explicitly configured as such
[03:02:23] <Set_> I have some free time. I am going to try and put together that beginner chat example they have.
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[03:06:07] <Set_> I wonder if I can do this all by PuTTY.
[03:06:11] <Set_> Who knows?
[03:06:13] <Set_> I will find out.
[03:06:35] <Set_> Wait...I know I cannot use PuTTY.
[03:06:40] <Set_> I just tried.
[03:07:03] <Set_> I get some spinning cursor. Boo!
[03:07:48] <Set_> I will have to deploy it later somehow, i.e. via website or browser. Dang...these BBBs are a bunch of work.
[03:08:25] <Set_> Anyway...have fun everyone. I hope things go well.
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[03:09:52] * GenTooMan blinks, "even if you know what you are doing all embeded devices are work."
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[03:36:20] <zmatt> really? mine seem to do what I want by magic
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[04:00:06] <GrumpeiYokoi> But you're a magic man
[04:00:12] <GrumpeiYokoi> It's just not fair
[04:00:18] <GrumpeiYokoi> not a fair comparison :)
[04:00:35] <zmatt> actually at the office I'm known as the oracle
[04:03:14] <zmatt> ;)
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[07:22:19] <SuperPhly> Hello friends, I'm trying to figure out how to get a Beaglebone Black to operate a 5v relay. I'm guessing there's some sorta 3.3v->5v (powered) adapter that I can use?
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[08:27:47] <beginner> hello
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[08:30:55] <starter> hello
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[08:34:53] <veremit> n00bs .. gotta love 'em lol
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[10:04:03] <thunder5_> is there anyway to configure the beaglebone to connect to the internet directly, without having to configure the local device its usb power/IO cable is attached to?
[10:04:37] <zmatt> ethernet
[10:06:12] <zmatt> there are also people who (try to) use wifi usb sticks, with mixed results I think... in general I would recommend ethernet
[10:07:42] <tbr> with the default images, the board will use DHCP on the ethernet interface to get an IPv4 address and default route. no need to configure anything.
[10:08:43] <thunder5_> thanks
[10:09:22] <zmatt> the usb net thing is mainly just meant as a "newbie convenience" of being able to power the BBB *and* communicate with it with no hardware requirements other than a computer to connect it to and the supplied usb cable
[10:09:48] <zmatt> for standalone operation, ethernet + ac adapter is the way to go
[10:13:21] <thunder5_> that's what I thought but thanks for confirming
[10:13:39] <thunder5_> trying to turn a beaglebone black into some kind of security related device
[10:14:06] <thunder5_> we were thinking about turning it into a keylogger and having the files sent via ssh
[10:14:49] <thunder5_> but that would obviously require an ethernet cable to be plugged in somewhere, which isn't very subtle
[10:15:37] <thunder5_> I suppose we could just leave it as a stand alone device and then collect it from location X remotely
[10:15:47] <thunder5_> but would love to have a little more functionality built in
[10:16:20] <tbr> well you can multiplex a HID device and a network device, but then you need to configure networking on the target machine
[10:16:22] <veremit> not impossible
[10:16:47] <tbr> so it's not plug and pray
[10:17:00] <thunder5_> this is for a university project btw, not trying to develop something to use in the real world maliciously
[10:17:10] <zmatt> make a cape with a sensitive mic and use the characteristic sounds of individual keys
[10:17:16] <tbr> yes, noted your IP origin earlier ;)
[10:17:41] <tbr> zmatt: just intercept USB HID, that's the easiest
[10:17:57] <zmatt> it's a university project, why go for easy? ;-)
[10:19:31] <veremit> shhh,.
[10:19:33] <veremit> :)
[10:19:43] <tbr> could use sound networking to exfiltrate
[10:23:50] <thunder5_> blimey
[10:24:58] <zmatt> tbr: thermal-based exfiltration has also been demonstrated, but with pretty crappy bitrate
[10:25:06] <tbr> :)
[10:25:23] <thunder5_> 'easy' lol
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[12:22:38] <keesj> I think that hiding the BBB in a usb or network hub might be the easy approach. usb will also give you a nice power source
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[12:24:39] <keesj> there is also the idea to put a small device on the network that can send data out .e.g but something like https://www.wifipineapple.com/ or something in the style of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug might be better suited
[12:24:45] <zmatt> one tricky part would be that the BBB itself cannot behave as if it's a hub, so can only insert it on one downstream port with one device connected to it
[12:25:08] <zmatt> and it's a perfect spot for sniffing, but complicates exfiltration
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[12:25:44] <zmatt> a network cable coming out of a hub might be viewed upon with suspicion ;)
[12:25:49] <keesj> wans't there a google summmer of code project like 2 years ago to monitor use traffic?
[12:26:47] <keesj> and can you not combine http://elinux.org/USB_HUB_Cape with the mini usb port into a hub?
[12:29:09] <keesj> my next project will be to combine an rtlsrd dongle with the BBB
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[12:35:55] <ashwin> hello
[12:36:06] <ashwin> I would like to interface the GY81 to my BBB.
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[12:36:38] <Guest47618> How do I go upon writing the device drivers?
[12:36:45] <Guest47618> What should I know to write a device driver?
[12:37:00] <av500> https://github.com/bmagyar/beaglebone-imu
[12:37:13] <av500> do you really need a device driver?
[12:37:19] <av500> or can you use it from user space?
[12:37:39] <av500> https://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/
[12:38:02] <av500> https://github.com/jdmessina/BBB_FlightController
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[12:46:51] <ashwinvasudevan> I need to construct a kalmaan filter with it.
[12:47:06] <ashwinvasudevan> I do understand there are some incomplete drivers on github
[12:47:23] <ashwinvasudevan> But How do I go upon writing one of them?
[12:47:34] <av500> they are all I2C devices
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[12:47:44] <av500> as said, you can talk to them directly from user space
[12:47:51] <av500> [13:36] <av500> https://github.com/bmagyar/beaglebone-imu
[12:48:34] <ashwinvasudevan> https://github.com/bmagyar/beaglebone-imu/blob/master/src/bma180.cpp
[12:48:52] <ashwinvasudevan> How did he obtain those values?
[12:49:01] <Koth> dice
[12:49:19] <av500> what values?
[12:49:23] <Koth> but it has to be a fair one
[12:49:37] <ashwinvasudevan> Static constants. #define ACC_Y_MSB 0x05
[12:49:46] <av500> ashwinvasudevan: maybe he read the data sheet?
[12:49:57] <av500> did you do that?
[12:50:11] <ashwinvasudevan> Oh. Nope. I am just starting, Thank you
[12:50:23] <av500> well, then do that first
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[13:03:38] <zmatt> (and the errata, if available)
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[16:58:55] <Eva__> I have just bought a BBB and I'm trying to connect with it. I plugged it into my laptop with elem os (linux) and the lamps are flashing right. I can see the bone, and can start the start.htm. When I try to go to http://192.168.7.2 I get the Apache2 Ubuntu Default Page instead of the beaglebone page. I have executed the mkudevrule.sh. And I'm using chrome. Anyone a suggestion for this newbie to try?
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[17:09:55] <tbr> Eva__: is that network maybe conflicting with your local networks?
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[17:20:15] <eva__> Even with my ethernet and wifi turned off it still doesn't work. I have nothing else connected, so I dont know what could be interfering.
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[17:42:08] <stt_michael> 'ifconfig -a'
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[19:03:50] <mezydlop> hello
[19:03:56] <PDogJr> hi
[19:09:01] <mezydlop> always there such a silence
[19:11:11] <zmatt> definitely not always
[19:12:23] <mezydlop> when you meet admins
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[19:20:33] <mezydlop> When can i meet admins?
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[19:23:13] <adj> admins?
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[19:26:06] <citylight2> hi I used rcn-ee image and upgraded to kernel 4.0.4 but the serial console does not work, what to check?
[19:26:19] <citylight2> Is there a way to disable the serial console?
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[19:31:50] <Guest28016> I need a STEP or IGES file for the Link PP # LPJ0011BBNL connector ... anyone have this?
[19:35:30] <citylight2> I mean I even do not see ttyUSB0
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[20:07:37] <sipos> Hi. I'm trying to disable the USB gadget network interface on the Beaglebone Black. I'm using the Debian image and, I've commented out the block in /etc/network/interfaces but, it is still brought up at boot. The comments in this file indicate that it may be enabled by an init script but, not which. Anyone know where I might be able to find what is bringing it up?
[20:14:51] <tbr> it's a script in /opt
[20:15:06] <tbr> https://raw.github.com/RobertCNelson/tools/master/scripts/beaglebone-black-g-ether-load.sh
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[20:23:19] <sipos> Thanks tbr I see it now. Run by /etc/init.d/generic-boot-script.sh (which is IMHO a very unhelpful name).
[20:23:40] <tbr> hehe
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[20:25:59] <sipos> Thanks again for the help. I'm off. Bye.
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[20:59:21] <GT_> Has anyone here succesfuly cloned 2 BBB eMMC's?
[20:59:45] <GT_> I am getting: "dd: writing '/dev/mmcblk1': No space left on device" when restoring
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[21:04:58] <zmatt> same BBB or different BBB ?
[21:06:28] <zmatt> since there are two different 4 GB eMMC flashes being used in production, and they slightly differ in size
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[21:08:39] <zmatt> I normally make sure a filesystem is shrunk to min size before imaging
[21:08:59] <zmatt> then to flash a clone:
[21:10:18] <zmatt> dd if=bootloader.img of=$dev bs=4M # first 4 MB of size, includes blank partition table and u-boot
[21:10:25] <zmatt> *first 4 MB of device
[21:11:01] <zmatt> wait this can use pastebinning
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[21:23:32] <zmatt> http://pastebin.com/f6LN9hpE
[21:24:08] <zmatt> the reason I generate things like ssh keys at that time is to have the opportunity to record the public keys right away
[21:25:00] <zmatt> randomizing filesystem uuid makes sure no confusion can arise if both filesystems are visible at the same time on a computer (e.g. connected in usb mass storage mode)
[21:26:06] <zmatt> oh, there's a path mistake, the ssh keys should be in etc/ssh, not in etc
[21:26:38] <zmatt> (my own script is a little different since I put all "identity" files in a separate dir and have symlinks)
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[21:29:21] <GT_> zmatt, so that script is the "autorun.sh" script that goes in the SD card?
[21:29:36] <zmatt> I don't use any SD card
[21:29:41] <zmatt> I flash via USB
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[21:30:07] <zmatt> (hence the /dev/sdb rather than /dev/mmcblk1 )
[21:30:12] <GT_> USB to a linux machine, or a USB stick?
[21:30:43] <zmatt> BBBlfs, it's a little tool that serves the BBB's eMMC as an usb mass storage gadget
[21:30:52] <GT_> zmatt, sorry for perhaps some dumb questions, I just started this
[21:31:10] <zmatt> so basically the eMMC of the BBB appears as if it were an usb stick
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[21:32:50] <GrumpeiYokoi> zmatt: Is that something that could be used on Windows?
[21:33:00] <zmatt> no idea
[21:33:10] <GrumpeiYokoi> Figured :>
[21:33:11] <zmatt> I think it only depends on libusb
[21:33:34] <GrumpeiYokoi> You are referring to this, right: https://github.com/ungureanuvladvictor/BBBlfs
[21:33:38] <zmatt> yeah
[21:33:58] <GrumpeiYokoi> Gonna take a look at it, presumably I know enough to convert this to Windows code
[21:34:11] <zmatt> I noticed rcn-ee also has images titled "usb_flasher" .. I haven't investigated yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's something you can put on an SD card that achieves the same thing
[21:34:12] <GrumpeiYokoi> libusb supposedly works on Windows too, but I've never tried it
[21:34:59] <GrumpeiYokoi> huh?
[21:35:11] <GrumpeiYokoi> I don't quite get what you mean in that last sentence.
[21:35:31] <zmatt> note that BBBlfs consists of a tool named "usb_flasher" which is responsible for making the BBB appear as an usb stick (contrary to its name it doesn't flash anything by itself) + scripts to perform actual flashing
[21:35:35] <zmatt> the script are horribly broken
[21:35:46] <zmatt> but usb_flasher works
[21:35:54] <zmatt> well
[21:36:51] <zmatt> the way usb_flasher works is that it boots a tiny linux system onto the BBB via USB, and that linux system enables USB mass storage mode for the eMMC
[21:37:18] <zmatt> but you can of course put the same tiny linux system on a μSD card instead
[21:37:45] <GrumpeiYokoi> Ah, that makes more sense than what I was thinking earlier.
[21:38:14] <GrumpeiYokoi> If it really shows up as a mass storage device, I would think I'd be able to write an image to it via the likes of Win32DiskImager
[21:38:21] <GrumpeiYokoi> I'll have to try it out and let you know
[21:38:26] <zmatt> yup
[21:38:35] <GrumpeiYokoi> Could be convenient
[21:38:59] <zmatt> but
[21:39:42] <zmatt> if you don't have e2fsutils you can't do things like resizing the filesystem to fit the partition
[21:39:54] <zmatt> which means you'd need to flash the whole eMMC
[21:40:17] <zmatt> and you may run into the same issue GT_ did: not all "4 GB" eMMCs are the same size
[21:40:41] * GrumpeiYokoi blinks
[21:40:53] <GrumpeiYokoi> lovely
[21:41:16] <GrumpeiYokoi> So you have BBBs that are shipping with different eMMC parts of varying sizes
[21:41:22] <zmatt> BBB rev C ships with either
[21:41:28] <zmatt> Micron MTFC4GLDEA-0M WT, or
[21:41:35] <zmatt> Kingston KE4CN2H5A-A58
[21:41:50] <GrumpeiYokoi> Is it a 4 GiB vs. 4 GB thing?
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[21:42:13] <zmatt> the former has a user area of 3744 MB, the latter 3688 MB
[21:42:26] <GrumpeiYokoi> Ah
[21:42:49] <GrumpeiYokoi> So if you get a stock image it could fail to flash because the usable area is too small then?
[21:42:54] <GrumpeiYokoi> (for that image)
[21:43:07] <zmatt> (or 936 and 922 allocation blocks respectively)
[21:43:11] <zmatt> no
[21:43:30] <zmatt> the stock images will always fit
[21:43:53] <zmatt> but may not fill entire eMMC, unless rcn-ee included something in the initramfs to fix that up at first boot
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[21:44:27] <GrumpeiYokoi> Doesn't sound like a serious problem, unless I missed something
[21:44:48] <zmatt> no, it may however show up if you try to clone an existing BBB
[21:45:05] <zmatt> the SD-based flashers definitely *do* expand the fs to fit available space
[21:45:32] <zmatt> (they also avoid pointlessly flashing the unused space of the filesystem onto eMMC)
[21:45:33] <GrumpeiYokoi> Hrm
[21:45:55] <zmatt> hence I always shrink an fs before cloning and expand afterward
[21:46:00] <zmatt> also speeds things up considerably
[21:46:38] <zmatt> note that you can actually safely expand an ext4 filesystem while mounted, even if it's the root filesystem
[21:46:39] <GrumpeiYokoi> Makes sense. I don't know much about working with partitions and file systems specifically, I've always sort of winged it.
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