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  • [01:26:10] <zmatt> argh, jumping back into public ROM instead of rebooting is much much faster when using TFTP boot (avoids eth phy reset), but I can
  • [01:26:21] <zmatt> can't get it to work if my app ever enables the MMU
  • [01:26:30] <zmatt> even though I take care to disable it again, flush all caches, etc
  • [01:30:30] <ds2> maybe the ROM uses the MMU to map itself in
  • [01:30:42] <zmatt> pubrom never enables the MMU
  • [01:30:57] <zmatt> in fact, on reboot it actually loads the program from TFTP again
  • [01:31:01] <zmatt> but then my program crashes
  • [01:31:24] <zmatt> and I've narrowed it down: enabling the MMU per se isn
  • [01:31:29] <zmatt> isn't the problem
  • [01:31:50] <ds2> clocks in a different state then it needs?
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  • [01:32:15] <zmatt> dcache is
  • [01:32:30] <zmatt> I doubt it, I don't touch them
  • [01:32:41] <zmatt> also, why would that be solved by not enabling data cache? :P
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  • [01:33:35] <ds2> secret secure mode side effects?
  • [01:33:55] <zmatt> I already put my meddling with secrom in an #if 0
  • [01:37:20] <zmatt> meddling too much with secrom usually gets you punished with an MPU Security Violation reset anyway
  • [01:38:06] <zmatt> there's also no way to disable the resetout pulse is there? since that's the root issue for me
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  • [01:39:59] <zmatt> oh well, reboot isn't that slow either, don't really want to dive into the arcane bowels of the caches again
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  • [01:43:21] <ds2> not so much you messing with it
  • [01:43:34] <zmatt> well I am
  • [01:43:40] <ds2> was thinking may be the secure rom did something and the regular rom assumes that has happened
  • [01:44:10] <zmatt> yeah but I'm not changing all that much, and pubrom is pretty self-contained
  • [01:44:45] <zmatt> as evidenced by the fact it doesn't crash in pubrom, pubrom still successfully downloads my app via TFTP
  • [01:45:07] <zmatt> but once I try to enable mmu and caches again, something from the past seems to return to haunt me
  • [01:46:01] <ds2> ah
  • [01:46:02] <zmatt> even though I've flushed everything both right before jumping back to pubrom and again before enabling the mmu/caches again
  • [01:46:32] <ds2> totally unrelated - know of any docs on the PRU mailboxes off hand? the standard docs list them but doesn't describe them
  • [01:47:03] <zmatt> PRU mailboxes? I didn't think PRU had any, they're just using the system mailbox
  • [01:47:08] <ds2> do the flushing ops block?
  • [01:47:26] <ds2> Oh is that it... 'k
  • [01:47:27] <zmatt> they do if you follow them by asm( "dsb" );
  • [01:47:51] <ds2> zmatt: are you using DRAM?
  • [01:47:54] <zmatt> nope
  • [01:48:35] <ds2> checked for any uninitialized accesses?
  • [01:48:44] <zmatt> by which you mean.. ?
  • [01:48:47] <ds2> like stack variables sitting in SRAM
  • [01:48:57] <ds2> prehaps the SRAM doesn't get cleared somehow
  • [01:49:09] <zmatt> the SRAM doesn't get cleared
  • [01:49:22] <zmatt> at all, under any circumstance, unless you do it yourself
  • [01:49:31] <zmatt> it's filled with random garbage on cold boot
  • [01:50:06] <zmatt> my stack is in an uninitialized section, I clear bss myself
  • [01:51:31] <zmatt> I've had trouble of this sort before... I eventually gave up and learned to just always reset the SoC
  • [01:51:48] <zmatt> I don't mind resetting the SoC, I just don't want to reset that ethernet phy :/
  • [01:51:52] <ds2> depends on what you mean by 'clear'. SRAM gets scribbled on by ROM
  • [01:52:07] <ds2> cut the trace
  • [01:52:19] <zmatt> it *requires* reset on power up
  • [01:52:38] <zmatt> it should have been connected to a gpio
  • [01:53:16] <zmatt> especially since the reset pulse is currently very marginal, which may be the cause of the random phy problems some people have
  • [01:53:21] <ds2> sure? some of them will let you use MDIO to initiate a reset
  • [01:53:31] <zmatt> the datasheet is very clear about it
  • [01:53:37] <zmatt> with very specific timing requirements
  • [01:53:44] <ds2> hmmm that part sucks
  • [01:54:22] <zmatt> that phy is an insult to the ethernet subsystem it's connected to :/
  • [01:55:15] <ds2> what exactly are you doing that requires ethernet?
  • [01:55:25] <zmatt> TFTP booting
  • [01:55:30] <zmatt> recompile, reset
  • [01:55:40] <zmatt> edit, recompile, reset
  • [01:55:40] <zmatt> edit, recompile, reset
  • [01:55:41] <zmatt> etc
  • [01:55:57] <zmatt> having pubrom grab the executable from my HD is very convenient
  • [01:56:11] <ds2> I mean in the final product
  • [01:56:22] <ds2> you could always have U-boot TFTP things ;)
  • [01:56:39] <zmatt> that would magically make reboot faster? :P
  • [01:57:04] <zmatt> this isn't for a final product, I'm doing tests that are easier to do on baremetal than under an OS
  • [01:57:04] <ds2> for development...
  • [01:57:16] <ds2> oh
  • [01:58:04] <zmatt> note that the reboot time I'm complaining about is the occasional outlier of 2 seconds
  • [01:58:07] <zmatt> usually it's instant
  • [01:58:27] <ds2> i wonder if you can move the reset to a GPIO
  • [01:58:32] <ds2> xacto knife and....
  • [01:58:50] <zmatt> in theory anything is possible, but it doesn't look like my idea of fun :P
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  • [01:59:14] <zmatt> there are also some control module registers that affect the external reset pulse timing I think
  • [02:01:40] <zmatt> as for final products... basically all of them use ethernet
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  • [03:28:06] <Shah_> Is there anyone?
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  • [03:32:50] <wmat> Shah_: there are 232 people here, if you have a question just ask it
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  • [07:18:41] <Lai> i was accidentally click the exit ant the panel (menubar or taskbar), how to restore it back?
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  • [07:29:25] <Lai> anyone can help?
  • [07:30:06] <Lai> how to restore the panel (tasksbar)?
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  • [09:21:35] <johanhenselmans> ls
  • [09:21:36] <johanhenselmans> ls
  • [09:21:47] <johanhenselmans> sorry, wrong window
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  • [09:48:13] <_av500_> .
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  • [11:42:04] <_av500_> nyt: yes
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  • [12:50:13] <Tenkawa> hi all
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  • [13:23:22] <Tenkawa> well I got one bbb back online yay
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  • [13:24:29] <Tenkawa> has there been any discussion or timeline for a bbb replacement/upgrade yet?
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  • [13:29:31] <stt_michael> look for x15 .. :P
  • [13:29:55] <stt_michael> but it won't be 'replacing'
  • [13:30:35] <Tenkawa> indeed
  • [13:30:56] <tbr> that would be also rather hard at that price point
  • [13:30:56] <Tenkawa> I was about to point out first line says it is "not" a replacement
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  • [13:33:19] <nerienna> nice...
  • [13:33:44] <Tenkawa> yeah its a nice board
  • [13:33:50] <Tenkawa> just not what i'm looking for
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  • [16:06:31] <gnori002> Does anyone know how to flash an image onto the beaglebone? I've been trying for way too long with no success. None of the steps listed online work.
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  • [16:10:48] <tbr> gnori002: you start with a microsd card
  • [16:11:33] <tbr> gnori002: wich board revision do you have?
  • [16:14:06] <gnori002> I don't know, it's one I was given at work. How do I check?
  • [16:14:29] <gnori002> For the record I already have the image I need to flash onto the beaglebone on the SD card
  • [16:14:33] <tbr> sticker on the side?
  • [16:14:47] <gnori002> oh, C
  • [16:14:52] <tbr> it remains to be seen if that's the right image :)
  • [16:14:55] <tbr> A5C?
  • [16:15:05] <tbr> or revC
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  • [16:15:28] <gnori002> it just says C, I assume it's revC but I may be wrong
  • [16:15:32] <tbr> ok
  • [16:15:39] <tbr> that would be 4GB eMMC
  • [16:15:44] <gnori002> okay
  • [16:16:01] <tbr> what's the name of the image you put on the µSD?
  • [16:16:02] <gnori002> I extracted the current image I have following the extracting procedures I found online
  • [16:16:57] <gnori002> BBB-eMMC-25983.img
  • [16:17:46] <tbr> ummm
  • [16:17:56] <tbr> so you're not trying to flash a standard image?
  • [16:18:15] <gnori002> No, this is an image of the captured state of my beaglebone
  • [16:18:48] <tbr> I've never done that particular dance
  • [16:19:07] <gnori002> Ah, well it's a tricky one for sure
  • [16:19:46] <gnori002> Whether or not I go from being an intern to being full employee depends on it
  • [16:21:10] <tbr> nice to hear they gave you a rather easy assignment
  • [16:22:02] <gnori002> So what would be the procedure with a standard image that you're used to?
  • [16:23:07] <tbr> download flasher image, write to raw device (not partition!), wait for sync, stick into BBB, power up with S2 pressed
  • [16:23:36] <gnori002> hm... I have mine partitioned. I'll try the raw method
  • [16:23:39] <tbr> that backup image of yours probably needs different handling
  • [16:24:03] <gnori002> ah ok
  • [16:24:07] <tbr> make sure the partitions aren't mounted while you mess with the card
  • [16:26:21] <gnori002> okay
  • [16:27:21] <gnori002> ah, for some reason my pc won't let me run the sd card without partitions
  • [16:27:25] <gnori002> oh wel
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  • [16:31:00] <psynapsed> hey
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  • [16:55:34] <zmatt> ds2: lol, the leakage from vdds to vddhv I observed on AM335x (about which I got no useful response from TI on E2E) is apparently also present in the AM572x, mentioned in its errata
  • [16:56:08] <zmatt> though my scope pic is clearer than theirs imho
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  • [19:42:02] <abferm> What is the difference between the VDD_5V and SYS_5V pins?
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  • [19:49:55] <bradfa> abferm, VDD is the input to the PMIC, SYS_5V is the output of the PMIC
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  • [19:50:13] <bradfa> SYS_5V may not actually be 5 V if, for example, you are running from a battery fed to the battery pins
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  • [19:55:12] <bradfa> abferm, and VDD_5V may not be present at all, depending on how you power the board, but if the board is running you can bet that SYS_5V is present, just that SYS_5V might not actually be 5V
  • [19:57:03] <abferm> okay, which is the correct one to use to supply 5V power?
  • [19:59:23] <abferm> I am currently using VDD_5V to supply power, and I noticed that when I was powering via USB only the 5V devices on my cape weren't coming on. They are connected to the 5V rail of my power supply, which is on VDD_5V.
  • [20:00:05] <bradfa> abferm, use SYS_5V if you want to have power go to your cape regardless of how you power the bbb
  • [20:00:23] <bradfa> abferm, if you want to inject power from your cape into the bbb, send that 5 V in via VDD_5V
  • [20:00:37] <bradfa> just don't also then plug in the barrel jack ;)
  • [20:01:07] <abferm> got it, I'll move my RTC's v_in to sys_5v in the next rev.
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  • [20:01:25] <abferm> Yeah, I don't want any power imbalances going on.
  • [20:01:46] <bradfa> abferm, but if you are powering the bbb via USB, be careful how much power you pull from SYS_5V on your cape, as some USB sources may not put out more than 400-500 mA reliably, but if you just have an RTC there's probably no concern
  • [20:02:15] <bradfa> and the bbb already can consume quite a bit of that 400-500 mA by itself
  • [20:02:44] <abferm> Yeah, the RTC is my only 5V device, I also have some serial transcievers and an LCD, but those are on the 3V line.
  • [20:02:48] <bradfa> abferm, if you have an RTC, why not power that from the 3.3V pins? if you only need a little current those are probably your best bet
  • [20:02:54] <bradfa> ah, ok
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  • [20:05:30] <abferm> Under normal circumstances everything will be powered through the cape, but I have one on my desk I use to test software and hadn't plugged it into a 12V source yet.
  • [20:06:27] <zmatt> note also that since SYS_5V is an output of the PMIC it will go down if you power the system off
  • [20:06:44] <zmatt> (or more precisely, it's connected to the BAT terminals, which are typically not connected)
  • [20:08:02] <zmatt> also, why would you use an external RTC if it doesn't have its own backup battery?
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  • [20:09:49] <zmatt> there's some more details on the power supply infrastructure of the beaglebone here btw -> http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_Power_Management
  • [20:10:03] <zmatt> although I still need to put more work into that page... when I find the time
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  • [20:11:04] <thurgood_> urggh, bitbucket be down
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  • [20:38:29] <abferm> Well I don't know about you, but everything is broken here because of bitbucket...
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  • [20:56:07] <nyt> neustar is down
  • [20:56:15] <nyt> gg dns for large bits of the internet
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  • [21:00:49] <abferm> Anyone ever tried network manager? I can't get it to assign connections to usb0 because it has an "unknown" type.
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  • [21:09:14] <ds2> bah... stop outsourcing git
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  • [21:31:30] <abferm> ds2: my company of 11 doesn't have time to maintain a git server.
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  • [21:37:52] <ds2> it doesn't take much time to maintain a small git server
  • [21:38:01] <ds2> for simple stuff, a NFS server would suffice
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  • [21:47:13] <abferm> ds2: NFS is not good enough for revisioned software.
  • [21:47:52] <abferm> We have way too many things we are trying to maintain as it is.
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  • [22:14:07] <ds2> hmm????????
  • [22:14:25] <ds2> put a repo on the backed up NFS server
  • [22:14:27] <ds2> git clone from it.
  • [22:14:47] <ds2> if you are small, you probally don'tneed to deal with gitweb, etc
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