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  • [00:21:13] <zmatt> rcn-ee: btw, I noticed you switched to the -ti kernel as default rather than the -bone ... what are the pros/cons ?
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  • [00:25:24] <rcn-ee> right now... more eye's on it.. (ti.com) and i'm shooting for a shared kernel between the x15/bb(w/b/g)...
  • [00:26:08] <rcn-ee> but all the overlays stuff we've done with v4.1.x-ti has been copied to v4.1.x-bone/v4.1.x-bone-rt/v4.2.x-bone/v4.3.x-bone. ;)
  • [00:26:38] <zmatt> I thought overlays made it to mainline?
  • [00:28:00] <zmatt> (though tbh I normally never use them anyway)
  • [00:28:21] <rcn-ee> well... we are down to 29 (smallish) patches: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/linux-dev/blob/master/patch.sh#L343-L377
  • [00:28:31] <rcn-ee> and the dtc compiler changes are under review...
  • [00:28:37] <rcn-ee> so we are damn close. ;)
  • [00:29:15] <rcn-ee> merging the etnaviv looks like a bigger pain then capemanager right now..
  • [00:29:57] <zmatt> yeah I actually got my own dtc on github that merged the upstream dtc changes with overlays and some fixes of personal annoyances
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  • [00:31:32] <rcn-ee> the dtc is probally the most important issue, the 3.8 vs 4.1+ abi is different, so whatever gets pushed to dtc git, i'd like to make sure v4.1 works with that..
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  • [00:35:45] <zmatt> well the ones my dtc produces worked... assuming the abi different is something obvious and not some subtle corner case. I derive from pantoniou/dt-overlays5
  • [00:35:54] <zmatt> *abi difference
  • [00:36:42] <zmatt> but it's good to know, something those still using 3.8 need to be mindful of
  • [00:37:18] <rcn-ee> Yeah that version is fine.. if you decompile a dtbo from the 3.8 era vs the current dtc builds, you'll notice an extra "tree" it's suppost to help the kernel overlays find the node..
  • [00:39:35] <zmatt> btw, since you've applied the cpsw patch that fixes the interrupt handling code to not blindly assume both interfaces exist, you can now set slaves = <1>; in the ethernet node to get rid of the phy not found error at boot
  • [00:39:52] <rcn-ee> humm, panto's looking at useing extcon, https://github.com/pantoniou/linux-beagle-track-mainline/commit/7d456c34d3e024602da33cdfd971fdf0ba735b0c wonder if extcon supports live changes.. (that might be cape-universal)
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  • [00:40:43] <rcn-ee> zmatt, does the 2nd mac address still populate under /sys when you do that?
  • [00:41:12] <zmatt> ehh, where?
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  • [00:42:03] <zmatt> (you know each am335x actually has 3 MAC addresses allocated?)
  • [00:42:11] <rcn-ee> err: /proc/device-tree/ocp/ethernet@4a100000/slave@4a100300/mac-address
  • [00:42:42] <rcn-ee> there's a third? i've been using the 1st/2nd to generate a fake third.. (the g_ether needs two mac's)
  • [00:42:58] <zmatt> yeah, 3 consecutive numbers
  • [00:43:39] <zmatt> and in /proc/device-tree ? is u-boot populating that then?
  • [00:43:51] <rcn-ee> that's just the kernel..
  • [00:44:47] <rcn-ee> CONFIG_PROC_DEVICETREE has to be enabled..
  • [00:45:28] <zmatt> yeah I know, but I mean /proc/device-tree just shows the DT as the kernel got it, so if the mac-address property is there yet not in the DT source then u-boot must be adding it
  • [00:46:48] <rcn-ee> kernel populates that: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/net/ethernet/ti/cpsw-common.c
  • [00:48:28] <zmatt> that code is still not populating anything in DT though
  • [00:48:56] <zmatt> the kernel reading the MAC address from hw doesn't exclude u-boot from doing the same (especially since it has network support)
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  • [00:49:37] <rcn-ee> probe of cpsw, it get's it: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/net/ethernet/ti/cpsw.c#n2056
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  • [00:51:19] <rcn-ee> of course, if you set it in u-boot, the kernel will just use that value...
  • [00:51:27] <zmatt> it's still just fetching data, not mutating DT
  • [00:51:32] <zmatt> but
  • [00:51:35] <ds2> why are things caring about the mac address?
  • [00:51:58] <zmatt> in any case, it seems I only have one slave node
  • [00:52:05] <rcn-ee> ds2, zmatt got me interested in their being a 3rd. ;)
  • [00:52:32] * zmatt looks up the relevant reference
  • [00:53:13] <rcn-ee> and we should be able to get rid of that "phy not found error at boot" ;)
  • [00:53:48] <ds2> blah
  • [00:54:44] <rcn-ee> although it's been a few weeks since i got a "phy not found" email...
  • [00:55:08] <zmatt> slaves = <1>; is the correct solution
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  • [00:55:39] <zmatt> since there really is only one mii port in use (which is what they mean by that)
  • [00:56:36] <zmatt> argh, why can't I find it anymore
  • [00:56:56] <rcn-ee> too many 3000 pages docs.
  • [00:57:04] <ds2> isn't that the address on that 2 wire serial bus?
  • [00:57:09] <ds2> mdio
  • [00:57:12] <zmatt> no
  • [00:57:50] <ds2> oh then it must refer to the hardware port used?
  • [00:57:53] <zmatt> rcn-ee: what's the delta between the two addresses on one device?
  • [00:58:04] <zmatt> ds2: MAC address is the 6-byte globally unique thing
  • [00:58:37] <ds2> zmatt: eh? MAC addresses do not have to be globally unique (see locally admin. bit)
  • [00:58:51] <rcn-ee> e4 > e6...
  • [00:58:52] <zmatt> ds2: yeah ok
  • [00:58:59] <rcn-ee> is the third between?
  • [00:59:01] <zmatt> rcn-ee: bingo
  • [00:59:12] <zmatt> rcn-ee: it indicates the range reserved for the device
  • [00:59:21] <rcn-ee> ah!.. cool
  • [00:59:23] <zmatt> but I'm still trying to figure out where I read that
  • [00:59:40] <rcn-ee> so we always assume, x, x+1, & x+2?
  • [00:59:48] <rcn-ee> on am335x...
  • [01:01:00] <zmatt> yes
  • [01:01:11] <zmatt> it's probably no coincidence either that 0xe4 % 3 == 0
  • [01:01:27] <zmatt> or it might be, who knows
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  • [01:02:06] <zmatt> it is
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  • [01:04:52] <zmatt> rcn-ee: you can of course also just read those two addresses from the control module... it's portable at least across the whole dm81xx/am33xx/am43xx/dra6xx family
  • [01:05:21] <zmatt> the range covered varies though... dm814x only has two addresses
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  • [01:06:16] <ds2> we could generate a locally admin address based on the board S/N
  • [01:06:33] <zmatt> you can also just generally a locally admin address by picking one at random
  • [01:06:54] <ds2> due to the problem of DHCP, a persistant address is needed
  • [01:07:01] <rcn-ee> then windows/systemd users have fun issues... (if it's random between reboots) ;)
  • [01:07:07] <zmatt> ah
  • [01:07:14] <ds2> systemd users can be fixed
  • [01:07:20] <ds2> windows just needs to be disposed of.
  • [01:07:22] <rcn-ee> it's too late for them. ;)
  • [01:07:32] <ds2> systemd users are in YOUR hands :P
  • [01:07:43] * ds2 pets good old SysV init
  • [01:07:44] <ds2> :D
  • [01:07:47] <rcn-ee> i've been assumlated... it's too late for me too..
  • [01:09:27] <zmatt> but anyhow, you have three official reserved MAC addresses per am335x
  • [01:09:31] <zmatt> so
  • [01:10:18] <rcn-ee> cool: http://fpaste.org/269119/ and i still get both mac's. http://fpaste.org/269120/
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  • [01:10:42] <rcn-ee> and no mdio missing ;) http://fpaste.org/269121/
  • [01:11:26] <zmatt> ahh, I just noticed I actually delete the second slave node in my DT
  • [01:11:37] <zmatt> that explains its absence quite well
  • [01:12:18] <ds2> heheh
  • [01:12:39] <zmatt> but setting slaves to <1> is enough to keep the kernel from trying to use it
  • [01:12:48] <zmatt> I just deleted it because... well, why not
  • [01:13:15] <rcn-ee> it's just a magic struct anyways... call it fuzz testing..
  • [01:14:24] <ds2> board files would avoid this crap
  • [01:14:25] <ds2> :P
  • [01:14:51] <rcn-ee> we did a lot of crap in board files too. ;)
  • [01:15:13] <ds2> yes but that is more manageable
  • [01:15:33] <zmatt> I'd prefer good metacompilation infrastructure... all this stuff being probed/scanned/constructed at *runtime* is just ridiculous
  • [01:15:49] <rcn-ee> thinks back to the "buddy=" and "buddy2='... manageable. ;)
  • [01:16:11] <ds2> the whole concept of capes is broken in the first place
  • [01:16:25] <rcn-ee> the whole concept of a dynamic kernel is broken. ;)
  • [01:16:36] <ds2> they are expansion boards and you need to mod the kernel to suit your HW
  • [01:16:43] <ds2> yes. kernels should be static
  • [01:16:51] <rcn-ee> remember v4.1.x is the terminator... look what we did...
  • [01:18:34] <rcn-ee> zmatt, is that irq fix also in mainline or should i just keep the slaves = <1> for the v4.1.x-ti branch?
  • [01:18:56] <zmatt> rcn-ee: no idea what it's status is... you're the one who located it in the first place :)
  • [01:19:53] <rcn-ee> ah.. so it's beer time to fix my long term memory. ;)
  • [01:19:59] <zmatt> lol
  • [01:20:15] <ds2> beer... swamp water... same thing
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  • [01:21:25] <rcn-ee> it's selected swamp water... you don't want every animal's piss.. just one organism's
  • [01:23:24] <zmatt> also, if anyone happens to have an urge to be able to throw C++ exceptions out of synchronous signal handlers (SIGSEGV, SIGBUS, etc), I got the glibc fix working that people have been asking periodically for for the past four years
  • [01:24:04] <zmatt> (no need to patch glibc, you can just link two small files into your program)
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  • [01:26:04] <ds2> arrrgg... people still using glibc?!
  • [01:26:17] <zmatt> Paul Brook "explained" how to do it in 2011 ( https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2011-10/msg00482.html ) but his outline is not exactly obvious to expand
  • [01:26:38] <zmatt> ds2: actually it'll work for any libc
  • [01:27:38] <zmatt> the fix is a customized arm eabi unwinding "personality routine" for the signal restorer
  • [01:27:57] <zmatt> that actually unwinds the signal frame correctly
  • [01:29:41] <ds2> so it is arm specific
  • [01:29:43] <zmatt> basically just emulate the kernel's sys_sigreturn but acting on the unwinder's virtual regsiter state
  • [01:29:52] <zmatt> yes, because it's broken arm-specific
  • [01:30:00] <zmatt> it works fine on most other platforms already
  • [01:30:54] <zmatt> in all cases you need to compile with -fnon-call-exceptions to inform gcc that exceptions can fall out of the sky almost anywhere, and then you're good to go
  • [01:31:38] <zmatt> people use it most commonly to emulate Windows' behaviour of throwing a NullPointerException on NULL-dereference
  • [01:32:08] <ds2> sigh....
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  • [01:33:50] <zmatt> well if you have to choose between either that or actually having to try and *fix* the crawling horror of a codebase that someone dropped into your lap? ;-)
  • [01:34:03] <ds2> I rather fix it
  • [01:34:26] <ds2> i am usually the receiver of such bugs
  • [01:35:14] <zmatt> what bugs? it worked "fine" on windows...
  • [01:35:20] <zmatt> ;)
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  • [08:48:25] <gfast> Hello, after "opkg update" and "opkg upgrade", I can't communicate with it through USB
  • [08:48:32] <gfast> is there any tipp?
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  • [08:52:18] <gfast> Tipp?
  • [08:53:32] <gfast> Oh my god. All are idled!
  • [08:53:37] <gfast> unbelieveable
  • [08:53:49] <gfast> But thanks for this plattform
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  • [09:04:12] <Humpelstilzchen> gfast: try again later this day
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  • [12:29:39] <Saumil> Hello
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  • [12:33:58] <lilCodie> hi, is posting a URL i could use some help with allowed here?
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  • [12:35:32] <lilCodie> i guess its allowed? the EFIDroid(bootloader for android/linux) developer may implement uboot support for any SBC(Beagle,Cubieboard,RaspberryPi,ODROID and others) with uboot and possibly others if he recieves enough requests so you can switch between android or any other device supported OS without having to modify boot.ini every boot -
  • [12:35:33] <lilCodie> https://github.com/efidroid/projectmanagement/issues/3 just add a +1 and your device name, URL, and if possible URL to the uboot source for your device; if its one thats allready on the list just add +1 and model
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  • [18:25:45] <khan29> I tried both the angstrom dist and the Debian dist. Same problem.
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  • [21:57:24] <jamesaxl> hi
  • [21:58:18] <jamesaxl> why VDD_5V doe not work?
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  • [23:25:15] <zmatt> (probably because you're powering the BBB via USB? why people doe not stick around for a while after asking question...)
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  • [23:52:54] <veremit> zmatt .. why do people insist on thinking the best way of accessing the beagle is via the otg connector .. oh we have a usb client cable supplied with it ..
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