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  • [00:59:27] <sps12118> hi
  • [01:01:42] <f-a> o/
  • [01:07:52] <sps12118> \o
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  • [01:08:09] <sps12118> I'm new to beaglebone is this a good way to learn linux embeded programming?
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  • [06:02:34] <andy1978> I try to geht USB HID gadgets with configfs running on a BBB with Debian wheezy but if i try to "sudo modprobe g_hid" I always get "ERROR: could not insert 'g_hid': No such device"
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  • [06:07:22] <tbr> andy1978: you'd need to unload g_multi first, have you done that? also the module might need options passed along
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  • [06:08:43] <andy1978> tbr: Yes, I've disabled g_multi first. Let me figure out the optiuons
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  • [06:18:00] <andy1978> tbr: "modinfo g_hid" tells me, that there are some parm like idVendor, idProduct and so on. But even If I set all of them I get "No such device"
  • [06:18:52] <tbr> hm
  • [06:19:01] * tbr never used g_hid specifically
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  • [06:21:40] <tbr> this seems to have some hints: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/usb/gadget_hid.txt
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  • [06:38:56] <Deepak_> hi
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  • [06:47:24] <endoped> So I just fried my bbb while I was desoldering and replacing a relay on a pcb that the bbb was connected to. Nothing was powered. Could the energy from the soldering iron somehow have fried my board?
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  • [06:50:07] <andy1978> endoped: ESD?
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  • [06:50:31] <andy1978> endoped: Killing some CMOS parts with Electrostatic discharge is always an option...
  • [06:50:43] <endoped> Can that be generated just from heat?
  • [06:50:47] <andy1978> no
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  • [06:52:44] <endoped> I was being fairly careful about esd, andy other ideas? It was working fine before I desoldered and replaced the relay. Then after doing that, it won't turn on at all.
  • [06:53:02] <andy1978> perhaps you made a short circuit?
  • [06:53:25] <endoped> would that matter if nothing was powered?
  • [06:53:35] <andy1978> you may measure resistance between the suply and gnd
  • [06:53:59] <andy1978> no, perhaps you soldered a short circuit and it's still present
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  • [06:54:14] <adj> did you try powering bbb without anything other than power source connected to it?
  • [06:55:12] <Deepak_> i did not get?
  • [06:55:14] <Deepak_> srry
  • [06:55:38] <endoped> yeah, doesn't work. the power light blinks briefly, then no life
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  • [13:26:33] <endoped> is it possible to fry a bbb by applying too much heat to the 5V pin?
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  • [13:31:20] <LetoThe2nd> endoped: without specifying "too much" more precisely - of course.
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  • [13:33:05] <endoped> well it was an 800 F solder iron and i was desoldering a part on a pcb that the bbb was connected to.
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  • [13:35:48] <endoped> the only pin on the bbb that would have taken the heat would have been 5V pin
  • [13:36:02] <tpw_rules> well the simple question is: does it still work
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  • [13:38:09] <endoped> nope
  • [13:38:14] <tpw_rules> oh
  • [13:38:26] <tpw_rules> what was it soldered to, exactly?
  • [13:38:33] <endoped> the power light briefly blinks when i apply power
  • [13:38:41] <endoped> but then its a brick
  • [13:39:04] <tpw_rules> where is the 5v pin on a bbb? in the serial header? or did you previously desolder the 5v jack
  • [13:39:05] <endoped> a custom made pcb that interfaces with the bbb
  • [13:39:10] <H-H-H> ouch :( i abuse my bbw all the time and she still comes back for more
  • [13:39:52] <tpw_rules> or did you have a male pin plugged into the female cape headers and that was what you were soldering on
  • [13:41:57] <endoped> i had the 5Vdd plugged into the pcb, and I was desoldering and replacing a relay on the pcb...nothing was powered but there was an electrical connection from the pad i was soldering to the 5Vdd pin on the bbb
  • [13:42:48] <tpw_rules> what kind of soldering iron did you use? it wasn't one of those cold-heat ones was it
  • [13:43:36] <endoped> no, its a weller 4037s
  • [13:43:41] <tpw_rules> i mean i think the answer is no. you really shouldn't have been putting enough heat into it to do that
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  • [13:43:51] <tpw_rules> but obviously it's not
  • [13:44:25] <tpw_rules> purely in the interests of science, do you have a picture of this setup?
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  • [13:51:35] <endoped> how do i upload a pic in here?
  • [13:56:57] <H-H-H> use one of the image pastebin sites
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  • [14:43:51] <andy1978> endoped: How do you drive your relay?
  • [14:44:12] <andy1978> endoped: Directly from a Port pin or with a transistor between?
  • [14:44:22] <andy1978> do you have a diode across the coil?
  • [14:44:37] <andy1978> (or a RC snubber)?
  • [14:45:22] <andy1978> perhaps you've damaged the beaglebone this way...
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  • [15:33:27] <endoped> andy1978: sorry I was away from my desk. I'm driving the relay directly from the 5Vdd pin, with a transistor, in series with a 1k ohm, on the gnd side of the relay. I'm using a gpio pin on the bbb to control the base of the transistor
  • [15:34:16] <endoped> Also, I don't have a diode across the coil, but it's worked perfectly for weeks on a bread board
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  • [15:59:25] <KotH> endoped: no diode = you will kill the transistor. if not the after the first use, then over time
  • [16:00:09] <KotH> endoped: and if the the transistor starts conducting the wrong way, you might kill your BBB as well
  • [16:02:17] <KotH> endoped: also, 425°C is a damn lot for soldering. you dont use that normally..actually you dont want to
  • [16:03:19] <KotH> endoped: normal soldering heat is between 200 and 250C, depending on how well your heat is conducted away you can increase that up to 300 or 350. you shouldnt go much higher than that, as you risk burning stuff
  • [16:03:30] <KotH> endoped: also thermal stress is known to kill electronics
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  • [16:06:05] <endoped> thank you for all that info. i don't have a way to control my iron temp, it just plugs into the wall. I want to build a workstation and put a dimmer switch in there, but i havent had time to do so yet.
  • [16:07:28] <endoped> are flyback diodes always required?
  • [16:08:31] <endoped> I have 1 kohm on the negative side of the coil...i'm going to try to upload a pic of the schematic...one sec
  • [16:08:55] <KotH> yes, always
  • [16:09:55] <KotH> if you dont, then the voltage over the coil goes up to several -100V until the overvoltage causes a breakthrough in the transistor
  • [16:10:12] <KotH> (on switch off, that is)
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  • [16:13:56] <endoped> here's the schematic http://pasteboard.co/27Xjq9B2.png
  • [16:14:00] <ppisati> brb
  • [16:15:14] <endoped> so the pcb is already fabbed. but i can solder a flyback across the pins on the bottom side of the board. do you see any other faults. hardware and circuit design is definitely not my field.
  • [16:16:34] <endoped> BBB_GEN_MAIN and BBB_GEN_STRTR are outputs....BBB_GEN_ON is an input
  • [16:16:47] <endoped> the other connections connect to a generator
  • [16:17:52] <endoped> STRTR turns on the starter through the 3621, the ssrs control the main signal on the gen and the genOn input to the bbb.
  • [16:18:09] <KotH> endoped: what is R32 for?
  • [16:19:27] <endoped> well, i thought it was to provide a load for the 5V to dissipate over
  • [16:19:52] <endoped> when i didn't have it in place, it would trigger interrupts in another part of the system
  • [16:20:13] <endoped> but now I'm thinking it might just be because i didnt have a flyback
  • [16:20:41] <KotH> the relais is rated for a certain voltage. the coil resistance is such that it has the right current flowing trough at that voltage
  • [16:21:10] <KotH> unless you use the relais at some different voltage than it is rated for, you don't need that resistor (or rather it might cause the circuit to fail)
  • [16:21:17] <KotH> also R27 is too large
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  • [16:21:45] <KotH> and yes, solder a diode over the pins of the relay
  • [16:22:28] <KotH> and, please, get your self a copy of tietze&schenk and of "the circuit designers companion"
  • [16:22:49] <endoped> and remove R32 as well? I'm using a relay rated at 5V
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  • [16:24:55] <KotH> then yes
  • [16:25:27] <endoped> Bookmarked the book as well, I'll definitely add it to my library when i can
  • [16:25:36] <KotH> get both
  • [16:26:02] <endoped> okay, i didn't see the second one...i'll check that out too
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  • [16:26:33] <endoped> what's a good size for the base resistor?
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  • [16:33:46] <KotH> calculate it
  • [16:34:39] <KotH> you know how much I_C you have, you know the minimum \beta, you know what V_BE is, you know what the minimum drive voltage of the BBB GPIO pin is
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  • [16:35:59] <KotH> you should make the resistor such, that I_C can be something between 2 times normal-operation-current and one half of maximum rated current of the transistor
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  • [17:01:07] <endoped> okay, bare with me a bit...I_C is the current flowing into the collector? But I don't understand how to calculate it. I checked the data sheet but it didn't list the /beta. V_BE is (i think) easy....3.3V, right? Is the minimum drive voltage 3.3V, as well...I can't find anything about it in the srm.
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  • [17:05:41] <KotH> \beta = current amplification, often abreviated h_fe in datasheets
  • [17:05:56] <KotH> V_BE is _not_ 3.3V
  • [17:06:08] <KotH> if it is, something is wrong with your transistor
  • [17:06:23] <adj> or replace the transistor with a FET, much simpler
  • [17:06:31] <KotH> not really
  • [17:06:52] <KotH> you still have to design it correlty
  • [17:07:14] <KotH> and with a FET you get the problem that R_DS_on is quite high unless you are well above V_th
  • [17:07:18] <adj> at least no need to calculate current aplifications or base currents
  • [17:07:33] <KotH> no, but you still need to calculate maximum current and limit it somehow
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  • [17:07:47] <adj> sure
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  • [17:08:00] <KotH> beside: that's not even 5min on a sheet of paper
  • [17:08:11] <KotH> you just need to understand how a transistor (or a FET for that matter) works
  • [17:08:37] <KotH> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_junction_transistor <- quite good explanation
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  • [17:09:51] <KotH> adj: also, with the FET you get the problem that V_GS has usually an absolute maximum rating of somewhere in the order of 20V
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  • [17:10:05] <KotH> adj: that's a voltage that is reatched by simply touching the gate pin
  • [17:10:25] <KotH> adj: soldering a FET without damaging it is an art not many people know
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  • [17:12:59] <adj> that was interesting, thanks
  • [17:13:24] * KotH really needs to do some basic electronics for software people
  • [17:13:50] <adj> but anyways, there are lot's of fine FETs for switching small currents like these relays
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  • [17:16:46] <adj> i've never cared too much for any current amplification calculations (estimations) when doing simple switching
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  • [18:20:35] <zmatt> I actually got the Graphics SDK demos to compile \o/ MagicLantern was definitely worth the effort, the other three aren't that interesting
  • [18:22:00] <KotH> adj: well, i usualyl dont care either
  • [18:22:19] <KotH> adj: some simple "yeah.. about that values looks right" is usually what i do
  • [18:22:38] <KotH> adj: but for that you need to calculate it once, so you know what affects what
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  • [18:23:50] <zmatt> pretty fancy 3d graphics at 1280x1024 resolution...
  • [18:23:53] * zmatt is pleased
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  • [18:29:26] <zmatt> still an off-by-one error somewhere... rightmost column of the screen ends up wrapped at the left, and the screen occasionally blinks, but hey it's a start
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  • [18:34:30] <endoped> Thank you for all your help, I really appreciate it. but the thing is that I've bitten off way more than I can chew on this project. I was paid (pathetically) to write the software, designing the hardware was tacked on at the end when it became apparent that no one else could. There's no money left in the project to even pay me for this....and I still haven't made rent for this month....I don't have time to be trying to learn how a bj
  • [18:34:36] <endoped> Will 500 ohms work at the base?
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  • [18:36:07] <endoped> I hate being that guy who just asks, but I've spent an hour reading about bjt analysis and i feel no where closer to understanding than when I started.
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  • [18:37:45] <endoped> It also doesn't help that I'm kind of freaking out about frying a bbb that I can't afford to replace...and I have to finish this entire project by the end of the month.
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  • [18:48:16] <zmatt> breathe
  • [18:48:25] <zmatt> stress rarely gets the job done better or faster
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  • [18:53:47] <endoped> thanks zmatt, i know that, but this project has pushed me to a breaking point. anyway, i felt stupid after asking/saying that and have been doing some more reading. I think i'm getting it. coil resistance is 500 ohm, so I_C is 10mA.../beta (@ 10mA Ic and 1 Vce) is 100....
  • [18:55:23] <endoped> so i can get Ib to be 10/100 = 0.1 mA...
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  • [19:02:02] <thurgood> endoped you short a bbb?
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  • [19:03:14] <thurgood> I mean do you need one?
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  • [19:03:48] <mistawright> I can always use an extra ;)
  • [19:06:05] <endoped> no, not shorted...but definitely fried somehow. I was desoldering and replacing the 3621 (http://pasteboard.co/27Xjq9B2.png) while the pcb was still plugged into the bbb. nothing was powered, but i was using a really hot iron and I think that's what did it.
  • [19:06:47] <endoped> I definitely need one and i need to get my circuit correct too....hence, the stress.
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  • [19:08:25] <thurgood> I can give up one of mine I bought a couple for evaluation purposes, and they unfortunately didn't make the cut (mostly due to the 16 bit color depth) :(
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  • [19:10:01] <zmatt> thurgood: 24-bit color is possible, just not with the on-board HDMI framer
  • [19:10:44] <thurgood> yeah, we decided to go with strictly off the shelf components for the next project
  • [19:10:53] <endoped> wow, really? I mean, i'm sorry they didn't work for you, but really? that would alleviate an entire layer of stress, as I really have no way to come up with $60 to order one in the next week.
  • [19:11:10] <zmatt> (or well, it's not the framer's fault either, the pcb traces just aren't there)
  • [19:12:05] <thurgood> sure, endoped, just pm me your contact info
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  • [19:12:56] <zmatt> thurgood: I actually just got the a demo of the 3D graphics accelerator working (sort of) and I'm quite impressed... especially considering the am335x isn't really made for graphics-heavy applications
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  • [19:13:24] <thurgood> I still have one for personal use if I give one up
  • [19:14:19] <thurgood> yeah, the bbb is 3d is is roughly equivalent to the xM board
  • [19:14:56] <endoped> wow, I don't even know how to thank you. how do I send a pm in here?
  • [19:14:57] <zmatt> hah, I wondered "hmm, is there some way to grab a screenshot from the framebuffer?" ...
  • [19:15:00] <zmatt> cat /dev/fb0 > screen.raw
  • [19:15:01] <zmatt> duh
  • [19:15:11] <zmatt> that one was too easy
  • [19:16:08] <thurgood> depends on your client... /msg thurgood <message contents> ought to work try it without personal info first
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  • [19:18:14] <endoped> Did that work?
  • [19:18:21] <thurgood> yes
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  • [19:20:50] <thurgood> alrighty, I'll send that out probably tomorrow
  • [19:21:05] <endoped> Thank you so much!
  • [19:21:24] <thurgood> no worries
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  • [19:50:51] <mistawright> hi guys how do i go about compiling a dtb with a overlay added to it?
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  • [20:43:03] <jules_> hello
  • [20:43:33] <jules_> is someone there?
  • [20:43:51] <thurgood> probably a few people
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  • [20:44:48] <jules_> yes probably but i want to know about beagle bone black issue
  • [20:45:19] <thurgood> can't answer if you don't ask a question
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  • [20:46:29] <jules_> i've been trying to work with the wacthdog
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  • [20:48:01] <jules_> in bash , when i executed a while loop to open the file /dev/watchdog the beagle bone black doesn;t restart
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  • [20:48:45] <jules_> the script that i have executed is :
  • [20:49:19] <thurgood> use pastebin for scripts please
  • [20:49:28] <jules_> ok
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  • [20:56:59] <jules_> http://pastebin.com/iSgnMEdy
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  • [20:58:07] <jules_> that is my code
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  • [20:58:31] <buharin> hello
  • [20:58:33] <buharin> someone?
  • [21:00:10] <jules_> and my question is what is the best way or procedure to start the watchdog?
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  • [21:00:25] <buharin> TheoM, hey
  • [21:00:46] <thurgood> what are you expecting this script to do?
  • [21:01:31] <thurgood> loos like just an infinite loop of single zeros on every line
  • [21:01:35] <thurgood> looks
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  • [21:04:10] <jules_> well i'm expecting this script opens the watchdog file after that write a /n character to the watchdog file
  • [21:05:02] <jules_> the only way to interrupt the while is remove the sd card from the slot attached in the black
  • [21:06:50] <jules_> when that occurs i assume the while loop doesn't write anymore to watchdog file and then restart the beagle bone
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  • [23:58:39] <victoryred_> Hello Everyone. I have a quick question. I wrote a EEProm File Generator for the BBB. I would like to share it and get feedback. What's the best way to do that?