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  • [03:03:32] <beagleny> is there a core software that is not linux to run beagle as embedded real time
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  • [06:03:51] <brig> Hi, Can anyone help us out on the pin mux settings
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  • [06:09:25] <brig> we have configured the user led pins as gpmc pins using our dts file, even then the pin mux lists those pins as user led group
  • [06:09:55] <brig> Also, these user leds are still blinking
  • [06:10:41] <brig> how do we ensure that these pins are configured only as gpmc pins?
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  • [08:45:03] <nyo> guys I'm in trouble with an motion sensor, a PIR. if I wire a circuit with a led, it does dim up and then off after 1-2 seconds. If I wire it to the beaglebone, checking with a python script, the pin remains high... what should I check?
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  • [08:50:39] <tbr> nyo: do you own a multimeter?
  • [08:51:35] <nyo> yes
  • [08:51:55] <nyo> if I check the output it goes 3.3v from the sensor and after some seconds it goes to 0
  • [08:51:56] <tbr> then measure the voltage between the output pin and ground
  • [08:52:12] <nyo> so the sensor seems ok
  • [08:52:15] <tbr> ok
  • [08:52:35] <tbr> what about the gpio pin? is it properly muxed as input?
  • [08:53:10] <nyo> the python script does configure it for input, anyway, give me some seconds and I'll measure it
  • [08:54:08] <nyo> yes pin does put out 0 volts while python script is running...
  • [08:54:36] <tbr> and if the sensor is not attached to that pin, then the script returns 0?
  • [08:54:43] <nyo> yes
  • [08:54:58] <nyo> the script just say ready without any further action
  • [08:55:15] <tbr> ...
  • [08:55:17] <nyo> if I attach the sensor it goes line by line telling me motion detected... without a stop
  • [08:56:12] <nyo> I double checked the behavior of the sensor with a led and a multimeter, it works right, if i put my hand over it, it puts out 3,3v for 2 seconds then stops when I remove hand
  • [08:56:18] <tbr> is the output pin maybe noisy? noisy power supply?
  • [08:56:34] <nyo> it is powered by usb...
  • [08:56:38] <nyo> I can try to power it alone
  • [08:57:06] <tbr> try this: connect the bbb input pin to the 3.3V rail on the BBB
  • [08:57:10] <nyo> but if noisy it should put out 3,3 even without a sensor...
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  • [08:57:36] <nyo> but without any resistor?
  • [08:58:56] <tbr> yes
  • [08:59:15] <nyo> connection 3,3v with pin, tells motion detected
  • [08:59:31] <tbr> once? twice? forever?
  • [08:59:39] <nyo> every time I touch that pin
  • [08:59:52] <tbr> but not like when you connect the sensor?
  • [08:59:54] <nyo> should I leave it connected? mmm ok
  • [09:00:58] <nyo> it says motion detected only 3 times
  • [09:01:08] <nyo> if I leave it connected
  • [09:01:47] <nyo> if i start the python script with pin connected to 3,3v just no output at all
  • [09:02:45] <nyo> I'm going to connect the beagle power supply, without powering it by usb
  • [09:02:59] <tbr> then, I'd say the output of the sensor is noisy. Probably some pulses and spikes. Do you have an oscilloscope?
  • [09:04:01] <nyo> unfortunately not yet, I'm going to buy one soon
  • [09:04:07] <nyo> I really need a scope
  • [09:04:13] <nyo> for various projects
  • [09:04:54] <tbr> a scope is very useful, yes. Doesn't even need to be expensive. For many things something simple and cheap is enough.
  • [09:05:55] <nyo> mmm now I've connected the sensor to Beagle 5v power and it doesn't work...
  • [09:06:26] <nyo> previously I was using a 9v with a voltage regulator L7805 to 5v so
  • [09:08:02] <nyo> wow now works!
  • [09:08:15] <nyo> so the problem was my new usb hub! damn!
  • [09:08:21] <nyo> this BB is very sensitive!!!
  • [09:08:39] <nyo> thank you!!!!!!
  • [09:08:43] <tbr> np
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  • [10:21:14] <nyo> ok I've found out that the max 5V that the beagle can supply is 1000mA @ 5v, but if one day I will need to connect more sensore so more amperage, the noise problem will come out again..
  • [10:21:57] <nyo> actually I was powering 5v sensor with a 9v battery and L7805 voltage regulator, or just a 9v power supply with the L7805 regulator, that was giving out noisy/unstable signal
  • [10:22:21] <nyo> so I've tried adding capacitors on input and output of LM7805 as described by datasheet, no way, still unstable sensors.
  • [10:22:55] <nyo> i've added also ceramic caps that are usually described in similiar configuration to erase noise
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  • [10:23:16] <nyo> i've also tried to connect ground of LM7805 to ground of beagle
  • [10:23:31] <nyo> as if somehow that was a solution.. no way
  • [10:26:20] <nyo> going away for 10mins..
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  • [11:04:30] <nyo> ok the LM7805 is noisy by itself.
  • [11:21:02] <KotH> sounds like you are trying to connect something that is relatively senstive to noise, while not understanding noise sources and propagation at all?
  • [11:22:20] <KotH> or your sensor draws too much power
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  • [12:00:50] <nyo> will study that noise source ok
  • [12:00:51] <nyo> thanks
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  • [12:32:13] <igoy> Hi - does anyone have experience/examples of how to use the eDMA for transferring data from the McSPI FIFO to ARM?
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  • [12:51:51] <xkonni> hey, trying to connect a LSM303DLH sensor via i2c. i2cdetect seems to find it, yet i'm not able to read from it with c-code (using the element14 examples). http://stikked.xkonni.com/view/04695cc2
  • [12:52:30] <xkonni> got the address and reg defined after the datasheet... not sure why write seems successful and read is not
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  • [13:10:40] <KotH> nyo: get yourself a copy of "the circuit designers companion" and "tietze & schenk"
  • [13:12:57] <woglinde> hi koth
  • [13:14:33] <nyo> oook thx
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  • [15:21:14] <zmatt> hi rcn-ee
  • [15:21:20] <rcn-ee> hey zmatt
  • [15:22:13] <rcn-ee> zmatt, ti has some crypto stuff here: http://git.ti.com/gitweb/?p=ti-linux-kernel/ti-linux-kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/ti-linux-4.1.y looks like you won't have to fully reverse it for the x15. ;)
  • [15:24:05] <zmatt> well they usually have *some* crypto accelerators enabled in the kernel (using the very weird and limited omap-aes driver or the buggy-as-shit omap-sham)
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  • [15:25:37] <zmatt> yeah I see 2x aes, des, sham, rng... with suspicious gaps in the IRQ numbers between them ;-)
  • [15:26:01] <zmatt> (looking at dra7.dtsi)
  • [15:26:27] <zmatt> but ok, separate accelerators it is then, no DM81xx-style Security Subsystem
  • [15:27:29] <zmatt> pka still not mentioned as usual
  • [15:27:48] <zmatt> but it'll reside on an L4 so it will be easy to find since the L4 interconnects have built-in memory maps
  • [15:28:41] <zmatt> ah, new version of the sham
  • [15:30:15] <zmatt> I really should work on a tool which semi-automatically makes a map of a TI SoC... including testing where irq/dma signals show up (if at all)
  • [15:30:52] <zmatt> done it by hand so far but it is a bit tedious (and still incurs risk of typos or other human error)
  • [15:31:24] <rcn-ee> might be worth it hack up omapconf, as that has some info already in it..
  • [15:33:25] <zmatt> well the testing I have in mind is best done on baremetal
  • [15:33:34] <zmatt> and iirc omapconf has hardcoded tables, but I may remember wrong
  • [15:34:04] <rcn-ee> yeah it's hardcoded tables, based on ip..
  • [15:34:16] <zmatt> I'm was aiming more for "poke here, see where the irq signal / dma event / interconnect error shows up"
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  • [15:35:44] <rcn-ee> it's useful for hinting which irq's are reservered therefor first targets for poking at. ;)
  • [15:36:10] <zmatt> I'd want to double-check the "known" ones too... wouldn't be unpredecented to find errors there
  • [15:36:50] <zmatt> but some target-specific knowledge will need to be included anyhow to know where to begin
  • [15:37:04] <zmatt> and some things are too odd to detect without some initial knowledge
  • [15:37:35] <zmatt> (the DM81xx secss irq routing comes to mind)
  • [15:38:29] <zmatt> mapping the internal topology of the L3 interconnects is also high on my wish-list, but really not going to be trivial
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  • [15:39:18] <zmatt> basically will have to be done by using latency measurements to see which packet flows share a common path and which ones don't
  • [15:41:19] <zmatt> combined with knowledge gained from random sources (e.g. I have seen a partial diagram of the DM814x L3F)
  • [15:44:19] <zmatt> in the DM814x I also found mistakes in the initiator/target connectivity matrix
  • [15:45:08] <zmatt> all these things taken together, having an automated system to extract (as much as possible) or at least verify such data would be valuable to have
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  • [15:53:28] <zmatt> rcn-ee: since the sgx driver doesn't use/support DRM or such it probably also has few dependencies in the kernel right?
  • [15:53:37] <zmatt> it looks like even fbdev is optional
  • [15:54:12] <rcn-ee> the sgx is pretty free to write to the display directly...
  • [15:54:20] <zmatt> right
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  • [15:54:38] <rcn-ee> when i last talked to ti, they were thinkign of using dma-buff's to do a real drm driver...
  • [15:54:50] <rcn-ee> of course, he left for another company....... :{
  • [15:54:56] <zmatt> heh
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  • [15:56:08] <rcn-ee> the odd thing, sgx had dependices in the da8xx framebuffer driver (which we don't use).. as we use the drm tilcd... so that's a massive hack...
  • [15:56:09] <zmatt> I guess most of their target markets use full-screen single-window apps anyway
  • [15:56:34] <rcn-ee> and running android... car infotainment...
  • [15:57:10] <rcn-ee> but... if we use wayland... http://git.ti.com/gitweb/?p=graphics/omap5-sgx-ddk-um-linux.git;a=summary
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  • [15:57:16] <rcn-ee> it's all there..
  • [15:57:18] <zmatt> I'm really not familiar how android does compositing... probably in its own androidish way
  • [15:57:27] <rcn-ee> it uses egl, same as wayland..
  • [15:57:36] <woglinde> binary blob
  • [15:57:55] <zmatt> yeah that binary blob should be reverse engineered some way
  • [15:57:59] <zmatt> it will be, once enough people care
  • [15:58:05] <woglinde> hm depends
  • [15:58:11] <woglinde> libhybris
  • [15:58:24] <rcn-ee> the sgx "source" was leaked a last year... no one really cared...
  • [15:58:24] <woglinde> what the jolla folks do
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  • [15:58:37] <zmatt> rcn-ee: it was?
  • [15:59:17] <rcn-ee> yeap, htc accidentlly had it in their open source release, so it got mirred on github pretty quickly..
  • [15:59:17] <woglinde> and only for andreno you has a useable stack, thanks to rob clark
  • [15:59:37] <zmatt> rcn-ee: hm, but does this stuff also mean you can get wayland compositing on beaglebone with sgx530 ?
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  • [15:59:44] <zmatt> ohh, link? :)
  • [15:59:47] <woglinde> rcn-ee was it complete or for one series?
  • [15:59:56] <rcn-ee> everything needed for the omap4....
  • [15:59:59] <rcn-ee> sgx530...
  • [16:00:20] <rcn-ee> i then emailed imgtec directly about it, so that we coudl use it.. they said no..
  • [16:00:30] <woglinde> right
  • [16:00:37] <woglinde> do not get sued
  • [16:00:48] <rcn-ee> (and since i work for a partner of ti... yeah.. i can't do anything..) ;)
  • [16:01:03] <woglinde> the phoronix guy spread some rumor that imgtec is working on an opensource solution
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  • [16:01:39] <rcn-ee> woglinde, i think they have to.. their mips/sgx board didn't sell as well as they though..
  • [16:02:16] <woglinde> yes
  • [16:02:20] <woglinde> right
  • [16:02:24] <woglinde> that was one reason
  • [16:02:42] <zmatt> rcn-ee: but... <zmatt> rcn-ee: hm, but does this stuff also mean you can get wayland compositing on beaglebone with sgx530 ?
  • [16:03:05] <rcn-ee> zmatt, yeap... (haven't got it working here yet..)
  • [16:03:06] <zmatt> because so far I thought it was fullscreen-singlewindow only
  • [16:03:11] <zmatt> ah, "in theory"
  • [16:04:16] <zmatt> so far I was going to aim for qt5 eglfs
  • [16:04:51] <zmatt> I'm hoping the existing qt5 application is okay with running on eglfs but I don't have much info yet myself
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  • [16:07:12] <myself> it's okay, I don't have much info yet either, zmatt
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  • [16:07:37] <zmatt> :P
  • [16:08:25] <zmatt> ok, I should really kick myself out the door to do some shopping...
  • [16:09:41] * myself buys everything on zmatt's credit cards
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  • [16:17:22] <jkridner> arianepaola: I haven't seen any pull requests in a long time...
  • [16:17:28] <jkridner> and I still don't have the links to the binaries.
  • [16:17:48] <jkridner> I've got a board to flash today and it'd be great to try it.
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  • [16:37:40] <pravs> Can anyone help?
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  • [17:21:05] <Fahrenheit> beer?
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  • [17:41:25] <Spirilis> rcn-ee: awesome seeing the 7-5 snapshot of jessie, 4.1.1 with all the dtbo's I probably care to use :-D
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  • [17:42:28] <Spirilis> rcn-ee: got an error in a url for your image btw, http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#Jessie_Snapshot_lxqt ... the 2GB lxqt is malformed (BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-8.1-lxqt-armhf... instead of lxqt-2gb-armhf...)
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  • [17:48:59] <rcn-ee> Thanks Spirilis! fixed the wiki and my generation script. ;)
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  • [17:58:17] <Derkoski> Hello there I need to communicate with another hardware by UART1 with a baudrate of 5760, but I cannot achieve this speed in the Beaglebone, anyone have some idea of what I can do?
  • [17:58:39] <agmlego> That is not only really low, but also non-standard.
  • [17:59:23] <Derkoski> yes but I cannot change the other hardware, it is from another company
  • [17:59:51] <agmlego> Tell them to stop using dumb baudrates.
  • [17:59:59] <agmlego> Nothing talks 5760 baud.
  • [18:00:11] <rcn-ee> software bitbang it from the pru..
  • [18:00:13] <Spirilis> rcn-ee: also "2015-07-06" under "BBB (All Revs) eMMC Flashers" ... both the lxde and console image url's throw 404's
  • [18:00:15] <Derkoski> They talk, its a fuel pump
  • [18:00:56] <Spirilis> the microSD/Standalone: (console) url that has '2gb' in it for BBW/BBB (All Revs) also throws a 404
  • [18:01:09] <Spirilis> (under 2015-07-06 heading)
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  • [18:02:05] <agmlego> Derkoski: Yeah, I think at that point your are stuck bitbanging it.
  • [18:02:10] <Derkoski> I already tried stty, and I was looking to use the setserial with division to achieve the speed, but setserial throws invalid argument for anithing that I do
  • [18:02:30] <rcn-ee> Spirilis, wired...
  • [18:02:44] <rcn-ee> server side they are there..
  • [18:02:45] <agmlego> Yes, because the hardware only supports standard rates, and 5760 is not one of those.
  • [18:03:04] <Spirilis> rcn-ee: yeah the files are probably there but like the jessie section, I don't see a "2gb" between "lxde-armhf"
  • [18:03:13] <Derkoski> But how that in windows works
  • [18:03:18] <rcn-ee> Spirilis, drwxr-xr-x just like 2014-05-14 2015-03-01
  • [18:03:31] <Spirilis> e.g. "wget https://rcn-ee.net/rootfs/bb.org/release/2015-07-06/lxde/BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.8-lxde-armhf-2015-07-06-2gb.img.xz"
  • [18:03:33] <agmlego> Derkoski: The UART your Windows machine has supports non-standard baudrates.
  • [18:03:44] <agmlego> Derkoski: That on the beaglebone does not.
  • [18:04:09] <smurray> 5760 almost seems like a type of 57600...
  • [18:04:15] <_av500_> agmlego: you sure it does not?
  • [18:04:16] <Spirilis> erp of course putting 2gb in the middle of the url doesn't seem to help, so it might be something else :)
  • [18:04:19] <smurray> typo, I mean
  • [18:04:36] <agmlego> _av500_: Based on the symptoms given...
  • [18:04:41] <_av500_> usally high baud rates are an issue if the clock divisor is small
  • [18:04:51] <rcn-ee> Spirilis, use: https://rcn-ee.com/rootfs/bb.org/release/
  • [18:04:52] <_av500_> low baud rates should be doable
  • [18:04:59] <agmlego> Sure.
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  • [18:05:26] <_av500_> of course it took years until the kernel learned there exists anything above 115200
  • [18:05:34] <rcn-ee> Spirilis, doh! that script is still using the old dreamhost host, they are on linode and i don't have a 301 url redict setup on .net yet. ;)
  • [18:05:45] <Derkoski_> root@beaglebone:~# setserial -a /dev/ttyO1 /dev/ttyO1, Line 1, UART: undefined, Port: 0x0000, IRQ: 73 Baud_base: 3000000, close_delay: 50, divisor: 0 closing_wait: 3000 Flags: spd_normal
  • [18:05:48] <Spirilis> rcn-ee: ah k :) thought it was something simple
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  • [18:07:19] <rcn-ee> Spirilis, thanks all fixed... (i rely so much on the automated scripts. ;) )
  • [18:08:10] <Derkoski_> and that is the output of setserial, perhaps its is not fully implemented in the beaglebone?
  • [18:08:52] <agmlego> Derkoski: Is /dev/ttyO1 a device node on your system?
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  • [18:10:25] <Derkoski_> I did not understood the question, sorry.
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  • [18:10:59] <agmlego> Derkoski_: Does the file /dev/ttyO1 exist?
  • [18:11:00] <Derkoski> this is the output of sstty
  • [18:11:02] <Derkoski> root@beaglebone:~# stty -F /dev/ttyO1 speed 38400 baud; line = 0; min = 1; time = 0; -brkint -icrnl -imaxbel -opost -onlcr -isig -icanon -iexten -echo -echoe -echok -echoctl -echoke
  • [18:11:34] <Derkoski> yes it exists and I can communicate from my pc with this serial port
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  • [18:13:27] <_av500_> Derkoski: I am pretty sure the hw can do your baud rate
  • [18:13:36] <_av500_> the divisor is a 16bit value
  • [18:13:46] <_av500_> if baudbase is 3MHz
  • [18:13:51] <_av500_> that goes down to 45 baud
  • [18:14:15] <Derkoski> but do you know how I can configure?
  • [18:16:16] <_av500_> http://www.makelinux.net/ldd3/chp-18-sect-3
  • [18:16:20] <_av500_> set_termios
  • [18:17:15] <_av500_> thats inside the kernel
  • [18:17:21] <_av500_> now to find out what ioctl you need
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  • [18:18:18] <_av500_> http://www.scs.stanford.edu/histar/src/pkg/uclibc/libc/termios/speed.c
  • [18:18:31] <Derkoski> _av500_: I will try here, and if work I will return
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  • [18:19:38] <Derkoski> thank you guys.
  • [18:19:43] <_av500_> http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/termios.3.html
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  • [18:20:04] <_av500_> Derkoski: it might be that the libc blocks some baud rates
  • [18:20:14] <_av500_> in that case you need to make the syscall yourself
  • [18:20:15] <Derkoski> hmm
  • [18:20:32] <Derkoski> ok thanks
  • [18:20:44] <Derkoski> I will be back
  • [18:20:52] <_av500_> also, you might look into e.g. minicom source code
  • [18:21:05] <woglinde> hello again
  • [18:21:14] <_av500_> recent versions added a lot more speeds
  • [18:21:38] <Derkoski> ok
  • [18:21:53] <woglinde> hm the kernel serial console baudrate saga
  • [18:22:28] <_av500_> yes
  • [18:22:39] <_av500_> we always come back to serial issues :)
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  • [18:27:06] <_av500_> so minicom uses termios too
  • [18:27:26] <_av500_> bunch of complicated code
  • [18:27:31] <_av500_> tl,dr
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  • [18:29:31] <rkc> hi Guyz... i have a question regarding gpio on bbb... theomap generic driver gpio-omap.c ... seem to use number based gpio-legacy method... Is that true? because i can see that gpio_desc is part of the gpio_chip structure and the driver uses it extensively... so I am confused
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  • [18:33:56] <Spirilis> humm
  • [18:34:07] <Spirilis> so I'm guessing with 4.1.1, the new gpio infrastructure, jackmitch/libsoc won't work?
  • [18:34:18] <Spirilis> it's using /sys/class/gpio/gpio%d/value where %d is the gpio# ...
  • [18:34:44] <rcn-ee> Spirilis, all the &gpiox = &gpio(x-1)
  • [18:35:17] <Spirilis> yeah but it looks like the sysfs interface is totally different for gpio now... compared to 3.8 which I'm assuming this library was written for
  • [18:35:29] <rcn-ee> it shoudl be the same, other then that..
  • [18:35:51] <Spirilis> oh, durr, 'cause I haven't exported anything
  • [18:35:56] <Spirilis> ok nm :)
  • [18:36:54] <Spirilis> yeah it's working right now :)
  • [18:36:57] <rkc> I am using 3.14.8 as reference... and although the kernel gpio.txt states that descriptor based gpio should be used a grep for gpiod_get_value list out only few drivers using it.... most references are in gpiolib
  • [18:38:53] <rkc> and now when I diga bit deeper gpio_get_value uses __gpio_get_value(gpio) which in turn uses gpiod_get_raw_value(gpio_to_desc(gpio))
  • [18:39:14] <woglinde> 3.14.8 is old?
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  • [18:39:53] <rkc> so in a way whether or not we use descriptor based gpio kernel internally uses only descriptor based gpios... after converting from number to descriptor
  • [18:40:23] <woglinde> rkc so whats your conclusion?
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  • [18:42:17] <rkc_> sorry got disconnected
  • [18:42:54] <woglinde> rkc so whats your conclusion?
  • [18:43:31] <rkc_> no conclusion... actually i wanted to understand how the number based gpio drivers works... I have understood the descriptor based gpios by going through the code
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  • [18:44:21] <rkc_> if someone could help me understand where doe these gpio numbers are defined... possibly that might help conclude
  • [18:44:33] <rkc_> and how are they different from the descriptors
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  • [18:46:13] <rkc_> gpio descriptors are statically defined : static struct gpio_desc gpio_desc[ARCH_NR_GPIOS];
  • [18:47:19] <rkc_> with each gpio controller provided a continuous range equal to numbers of gpio in the controller
  • [18:49:50] <rkc_> My question is how does the number based gpios defined.... are they left to user... then how does the number to actual reg mapping takes place
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  • [19:10:21] <zmatt> rcn-ee: I think the gpio numbers are just gpio peripheral number * 32 + gpio pin number
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  • [19:10:43] <zmatt> e.g. gpio 2.1 becomes 65
  • [19:11:08] <zmatt> eh
  • [19:11:10] <zmatt> rkc:
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  • [19:22:31] <zmatt> modulo a possible off-by-one if something is being obnoxious
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  • [19:24:57] <zmatt> I generally just make sure the pins are muxed right in DT and control the actual GPIOs via /dev/mem ...
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  • [19:37:52] <JB_> I have a question on Beagle Bone Black
  • [19:38:38] <JB_> Will it also work on my mac book pro using OSX version 10.10.4?
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  • [19:40:46] <myself> define "work"
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  • [19:47:39] <rkc> zmatt : sorry was looking through the code for the gpios
  • [19:47:55] <rkc> yes thats true
  • [19:48:41] <rkc> and i figured that gpio descriptors are also arranged in a linear array of structures
  • [19:49:01] <rkc> so they map 1:1 with the gpio numbers
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  • [19:50:23] <zmatt> tbh I think the linear numbering is really annoying and would much prefer to see them referenced as <bank>.<pin>
  • [19:50:37] <rkc> moreover we have macros which when provides a number based gpio convert it to corresponding descriptor... and once the descriptor is know we can get hold of all the platform specific gpio related data/registers etc
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  • [19:55:07] <JB_> Work meaning, should I use windows in stead of using mac?
  • [19:55:28] <myself> to develop for linux?
  • [19:55:33] <rkc> guess thats what descriptor based mechanism will do... if we request through gpiod_request instead of something like gpio_request(30, "some name")
  • [19:55:33] <JB_> Yes
  • [19:55:58] <zmatt> rkc: I have no idea, I usually bypass the kernel whenever I can get away with it
  • [19:56:35] <myself> JB_: how much reading have you done on beagleboard.org have you done? specifically have you read the quick-start?
  • [19:56:52] <JB_> Yes, but it doesn't say I should or shouldn't use mac.
  • [19:57:12] <JB_> I can re-read it.
  • [19:57:27] <rkc> does not matter... nice to talk live to someone ... moreover maybe an expert will peek through our discussion and throw some pointers
  • [19:57:30] <rkc> ;-)
  • [19:57:45] <zmatt> rkc: I'm used to baremetal coding, so for me the kernel's job is to deal with multitasking and memory management, and let coworkers run their nodejs stuff, but other than that the kernel is an annoying obstacle between me and the hardware that I want to get out of my way ;P
  • [19:59:17] <zmatt> so things like the adc, pwmss, gpio, I use directly from userspace
  • [19:59:27] <zmatt> in case of the adc even with dma ;)
  • [20:00:24] <rkc> Me too am not in hard core kernel business... come from 8051's... but was developing drivers for rtos based small systems n recently switched to linux drivers
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  • [20:01:19] <rkc> guess this stuff is a sea.... so many subsystems... to write a few registers... in baremetal or rtos based system i'd have used 4 lines of code to do that
  • [20:01:26] <zmatt> linux kernel dev still has too big an entry barrier for me compared to either baremetal or linux userspace coding... but tbh I'm also not highly motivated to try hard
  • [20:01:33] <zmatt> exactly that
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  • [20:02:14] <zmatt> I mean, I can control a gpio by performing a syscall that will navigate a maze of subsystems to eventually end up performing a write to one memory-mapped register
  • [20:02:17] <zmatt> or
  • [20:02:25] <zmatt> I just perform a write to one memory-mapped register
  • [20:02:39] <rkc> hahahah oh yeah
  • [20:03:09] <rkc> but i guess the beauty is in complexity ;-)
  • [20:03:11] <zmatt> still need to fix the memory region type though... I discovered both /dev/mem and uio map memory regions as Strongly Ordered rather than Device
  • [20:03:12] <rkc> or vice versa
  • [20:03:15] <zmatt> which is... bad
  • [20:03:54] <rkc> but it makes so easy for you to work with the hardware.... so many can work without knowing baremetal stuff
  • [20:03:56] <rkc> right ?
  • [20:04:23] <zmatt> I don't think the abstractions offered are worthwhile in many of these cases
  • [20:04:37] <zmatt> especially when you want to use the specific functionality offered by soem peripheral
  • [20:05:14] <zmatt> stuff like networking and such, of course you want the kernel to deal with that
  • [20:05:43] <zmatt> but a specialized measurement/control peripheral like eQEP or whatever
  • [20:05:44] <zmatt> no
  • [20:05:54] <rkc> consider this.... linux supports so many arch and soc variants.... if they do not have these generic subsystems then the stuff will be millions of LOC
  • [20:05:58] <zmatt> there's no useful abstraction there, just overhead
  • [20:06:09] <zmatt> linux has no reason to be involved here
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  • [20:08:26] <zmatt> gpio is middle ground... on one hand it does have a useful generic platform-independent abstraction, on the other hand it is also a huge pile of overhead just to toggle a friggin pin
  • [20:08:31] <rkc> learnt it hard way
  • [20:08:33] <rkc> believe it or not... everyone's moving their systems with silicon becoming cheaper.... atleast non-real time software
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  • [20:08:50] <rkc> so finally jumped with eyes closed into the linux sea
  • [20:09:04] <Spirilis> hm, this is something I've slowly become aware of
  • [20:09:26] <zmatt> plus, I have abstraction too... my C++ headers actually allow you to do something like
  • [20:09:36] <zmatt> constexpr auto pin = 1.23_io;
  • [20:09:39] <zmatt> and then pin.set();
  • [20:10:02] <zmatt> (to set GPIO 1.23 )
  • [20:10:11] <Spirilis> seems like while linux boxes aren't pulling the kind of ultra-low-power you can expect from an energy-harvesting 16-bit or 32-bit MCU, it's only a matter of time before they are commanding something "good enough" that folks are using it for tiny stuff
  • [20:11:03] <Spirilis> we'll revisit this in 5 years when I have a linux powered implant in my skull :P
  • [20:11:21] <rkc> hahaha
  • [20:11:55] <rkc> for sure... by then zmatt will be more angry as abstraction in kernel would have increased 10 fold
  • [20:11:58] <rkc> ;-)
  • [20:12:08] <Spirilis> yeah
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  • [20:12:44] <zmatt> rkc: I'm not angry, I just don't use the crap... going through the drivers for things like gpio or pwm is 1. more work 2. more complicated 3. much slower 4. more limited featurewise
  • [20:12:53] <zmatt> so why on earth would I choose that route
  • [20:13:09] <Spirilis> the PHY firmware will be a big linux kernel module doing the realtime stuff while the user plays a laggy game of atc or adventure from their thoughts
  • [20:13:52] <rkc> but you in turn use gpio driver in linux even while using sysfs
  • [20:14:21] <rkc> in case you are using linux on BB
  • [20:15:17] <zmatt> rkc: I go through the kernel to config the GPIO pin direction, I'm not going to go behind the kernel's back on that because it may have bookkeeping about it and there are no atomic set/clear registers for that in the peripheral
  • [20:15:51] <zmatt> after that I just access the peripheral registers directly
  • [20:16:39] <zmatt> (I made a magic lib that lets my baremetal headers work also in linux userspace without modification)
  • [20:16:49] <rkc> which is fine... being a user... i am just trying to learn driver stuff coz that helps in in my career :p
  • [20:17:20] <rkc> smoke break
  • [20:17:53] <zmatt> oh no!!
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  • [21:20:18] <zmatt> rkc: varies depending on what The Man with the Paycheck wants to use them for ;)
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