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  • [00:00:59] <GenTooMan> Well if you are powering things with motors you need relays rated for motor loads too. There are lots of ways to do things. I suggest you write a list of what you want to control then organize it by type. Incandescent lamps require relays designed for them as they tend to have a very high start current for example.
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  • [00:20:50] <zmatt> often relays (or solid-state equivalents) for big loads may require a high voltage and/or more current than you can directly deliver anyway, with a bit of luck your isolation barrier can also serve to separate the 3.3V world of the beaglebone from the e.g. 12V or 24V for the relays
  • [00:22:15] <zmatt> alternatively an optocoupler may already be integrated in a solid state relay
  • [00:24:21] <GenTooMan> so zmatt you apparently haven't used the PWM outputs? :D
  • [00:24:28] <zmatt> GenTooMan: I have
  • [00:24:43] <zmatt> GenTooMan: we're using eHRPWM for an RGB led
  • [00:24:49] <zmatt> (well, not the HR part obviously)
  • [00:25:03] <GenTooMan> So you are using it more directly.
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  • [00:26:12] <zmatt> yes, same as adc and gpio
  • [00:27:11] <zmatt> since I've made some infra that lets my headers for baremetal programming also work in linux userspace apps I tend to prefer that route
  • [00:27:45] <zmatt> (I still need to convert it to use uio instead of /dev/mem, it's on my to-do list)
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  • [00:29:47] <zmatt> for measurement/control peripherals it makes a lot more sense to do it this way than a kernel driver
  • [00:30:26] <zmatt> (unless e.g. you need to share the adc with the touchscreen controller driver)
  • [00:31:51] <zmatt> for ePWM it means that after initial config, the setting the duty cycle is just a matter of writing a magic global variable
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  • [00:32:36] <zmatt> (instead of at least two context switches and traversing a fuckton of kernel code)
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  • [00:36:42] <GenTooMan> Can you DMA values to the PWM registers?
  • [00:37:16] <zmatt> dma? timer-triggered I presume?
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  • [00:39:07] <zmatt> you can, I actually use dma for the adc, but there are some limitations
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  • [00:40:17] <zmatt> the biggest being that you can't easily get a dma completion irq
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  • [00:41:38] <zmatt> for the adc I use a circular buffer as destination that is continuously overwritten with the latest sample values, so I can read the latest measurement from that buffer whenever I please
  • [00:44:01] <GenTooMan> you're joking their is no IRQ for the DMA
  • [00:44:22] <zmatt> and although I think there's infrastructure to allocate coherent buffers (often used for sharing data between different CPUs, e.g. ARM <-> PRU) I'm not familiar with it, I just used device tree to reserve a small piece of on-chip SRAM
  • [00:44:29] <zmatt> of course there is, but it goes to the kernel's DMA driver
  • [00:44:54] <GenTooMan> no call back functionality for your "borrowed" DMA?
  • [00:46:02] <zmatt> no, EDMA is designed to serve multiple clients but the cortex-a8 is a single client as far as EDMA is concerned
  • [00:46:29] <zmatt> so I'm basically an anonymous client, no irqs for me
  • [00:46:43] <GenTooMan> And ISR's are only serviced kernel level in the DMA?
  • [00:47:02] <zmatt> uio can forward irqs to userspace, but that requires claiming the irq in its entirety
  • [00:47:24] <GenTooMan> It's too bad you can't have some device driver that could handle it.
  • [00:47:37] <zmatt> the uio infrastructure also supports DMA from userspace I think, but the generic uio driver doesn't support it
  • [00:47:48] <zmatt> an improved generic uio driver would be really useful
  • [00:48:12] <zmatt> note that PRU is also an EDMA client
  • [00:48:14] <GenTooMan> I don't have time... 10 hour work days are wearing me dead.
  • [00:48:15] <zmatt> so you could receive irqs there
  • [00:48:38] <zmatt> I'm simply no kernel programmer, I still would have no idea where to even begin
  • [00:49:15] <zmatt> actually
  • [00:49:21] <GenTooMan> Well it's more a module than kernel programming. Think of the dynamic device drivers is more likely.
  • [00:49:25] <zmatt> heh, ew, I'm having dirty thoughts
  • [00:49:38] <zmatt> the IRQ controller of PRUSS is rather fancy
  • [00:50:02] <zmatt> I think you can actually configure it to forward the incoming EDMA irq to one of the PRUSS host irq lines that the cortex-a8 receives
  • [00:50:32] <zmatt> then use uio to receive it in userspace
  • [00:51:06] <zmatt> but, are you sure you need the completion irq anyway? what exactly is your use-case for DMA'ing to ePWM ?
  • [00:51:09] <GenTooMan> I always try to keep things simple... that just seems far from it :D
  • [00:52:44] <zmatt> (uio irqs are also not exactly efficient)
  • [00:52:49] <GenTooMan> Well if you are doing motor control you need to update your PWM pulses almost per 100% pulse width. This is often used for sinusoidal control I was just curious if I could hook the 2hp bridge I was designing too it.
  • [00:53:38] <GenTooMan> I was making it for a C2000 launchpad too.
  • [00:53:48] <zmatt> so why would you care when DMA is done?
  • [00:54:30] <zmatt> you program the curve, start DMA
  • [00:54:53] <zmatt> if you receive new instructions, halt DMA, inspect current state, compute new curve, restart DMA
  • [00:55:22] <zmatt> or, since the DMA transfer rate is steady (time-based), use a timer
  • [00:55:53] <zmatt> if you double-buffer then you can update every PWM cycle
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  • [00:56:45] <zmatt> set a timer to expire just after the buffer-switch (and check the actual DMA pointer to avoid your timer from drifting over long time)
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  • [00:57:05] <zmatt> you may actually also be able to sync to the ePWM timer in some other way
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  • [01:01:44] <zmatt> I did a little test with the ADC... I wanted to a collect a large number of samples to determine noise levels; just to be sure I added a check that EDMA had updated the buffer before reading it (to avoid including the same measurements multiple times), just stupid polling since I thought the CPU would be the limiting factor anyway
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  • [01:02:31] <zmatt> in retrospect I'm not sure why I thought that: the cpu had no trouble slurping the full 1 Msps from the ADC
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  • [01:05:13] <zmatt> (though it's likely I occasionally missed some samples during unrelated interrupts or context switches due to lack of buffering)
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  • [01:34:28] <GenTooMan> I take it the ADC doesn't have a fifo
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  • [01:57:51] <zmatt> it does
  • [01:58:46] <GenTooMan> Depending on how deep it is you may not have to worry about missing a sample. I assume the sampling trigger and sample time etc. is programmable?
  • [01:59:37] <zmatt> the adc has 16 programmable steps (combination of source selection, timings, misc stuff)
  • [01:59:47] <zmatt> the fifo is 16 entries deep
  • [02:00:14] <zmatt> well, it actually has two fifos, to allow two independent applications (read: generic adc + touchscreen)
  • [02:00:51] <zmatt> in any case, not losing samples without DMA would require low-latency irq handling (depending a bit on chosen timings)
  • [02:02:16] <zmatt> in my case I normally don't want particularly care to read the full stream of samples anyway, having the latest data conveniently available in a buffer is excellent
  • [02:02:48] <zmatt> so I already had the setup for that, too lazy to make a completely different kind of setup for this single test :P
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  • [02:11:58] <GenTooMan> makes sense. I understand the pain of not having time to theroughly test things. Anyhow I probably need to hit the hay. 5am wake up call heh
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  • [02:12:33] <GenTooMan> I've concluded a lot of 'features' can actually be problematic in the end. So sometimes I am leary of complicated designs. :D
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  • [03:03:04] <zmatt> that's why I prefer the simplicity of directly accessing peripherals from userspace
  • [03:03:26] <zmatt> less layers = less headache
  • [03:04:04] <zmatt> (in theory a good abstraction layer can make live simpler, but then it'd better actually be _good_ )
  • [03:04:08] <zmatt> *life
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  • [03:12:54] <ds2> that doesn't seem consistant
  • [03:13:04] <zmatt> morning ds2
  • [03:13:04] <ds2> by definition, doing things from userspace adds another layer of indirection
  • [03:13:08] <ds2> :)
  • [03:13:11] <zmatt> nope
  • [03:13:19] <zmatt> you don't go through the kernel at all then
  • [03:13:26] <zmatt> the peripheral is directly mapped in your memory space
  • [03:13:30] <ds2> userland has to go through the kernel
  • [03:13:32] <zmatt> no
  • [03:13:38] <ds2> the act of mapping sends it through the kernel
  • [03:13:52] <ds2> you need to run in supervisor mode to avoid that
  • [03:13:53] <zmatt> mapping it involves the kernel, but that's during init
  • [03:14:02] <zmatt> during use, no kernel is involved
  • [03:14:26] <ds2> as it gets rescheduled...
  • [03:14:37] <zmatt> ?
  • [03:15:17] <ds2> user land is subject to the scheduler
  • [03:15:34] <zmatt> yes.... and?
  • [03:15:53] <zmatt> (so is most kernel code actually)
  • [03:15:54] <ds2> that changes timing
  • [03:16:03] <ds2> kernel code has more of a say in that
  • [03:16:14] <zmatt> this is completely unrelated to your previous argument though
  • [03:16:17] <ds2> bare metal on the other hand....
  • [03:16:23] <zmatt> not all code is that timing-sensitive
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  • [03:17:04] <zmatt> and in cases where the peripheral is controlled by a kernel driver which only acts on requests from userspace, the point is entirely moot
  • [03:17:44] <zmatt> I actually do miss baremetal
  • [03:18:06] <zmatt> but I'm not the only one on this project, and linux userspace is a bit more accessible for most programmers :)
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  • [03:20:58] <zmatt> btw, the power mismanagement story keeps getting funnier
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  • [03:24:24] <zmatt> ever noticed that long-pressing the power button may cause either power-off (as the BBB SRM claims) or power-cycle depending on circumstances?
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  • [04:05:31] <ds2> I have seen that odd behavior
  • [04:06:11] <zmatt> whoever wrote that paragraph in the SRM probably didn't realize it was abnormal behaviour
  • [04:06:28] <zmatt> as the pmic specs, long-pressing the power button always triggers a power cycle
  • [04:06:49] <zmatt> except that shutdown ends up such a mess that a PMIC fault condition is triggered
  • [04:06:56] <zmatt> which leads to OFF-mode
  • [04:09:07] <zmatt> whether or not a actually fault occurs depends on external peripherals, some of which (e.g. eMMC and the HDMI framer) are unaware of the reset signal
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  • [04:10:22] <zmatt> it took me a bit to figure that part out... for a moment I was quite confused ( see https://e2e.ti.com/support/arm/sitara_arm/f/791/p/414987/1511573#1511573 )
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  • [04:19:00] <ds2> that seems to make sense
  • [04:19:18] <ds2> most pmics use the long power button sequence to power cycle
  • [04:21:56] <zmatt> it's also getting increasingly clear to me the tps65217 is really meant for battery-powered applications, and batteryless operation an afterthought
  • [04:23:13] <zmatt> the tps65910A31 would probably have been a better choice (unless it has other issues I'm not aware of)
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  • [07:52:17] <Parduz> hello.
  • [07:53:30] <Parduz> How can i "copy" my current Debian system from the MicroSD to the BBB internal memory, and boot from there?
  • [07:54:17] <av500> look at the "flasher" images
  • [07:54:21] <av500> they do that more or less
  • [07:54:33] <av500> there is a script that does the copying
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  • [07:54:43] <av500> you'd have to follow that
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  • [07:57:34] <Parduz> mh.... i want to be sure that i have understood (i'm italian): you're telling me to look for the script in the flasher image and use it on my running system?
  • [07:58:28] <av500> yes and no
  • [07:58:33] <av500> look at the script
  • [07:58:36] <av500> understand what it does
  • [07:58:43] <av500> take from it what you need
  • [07:59:03] <citylight2> hi, I wrote some script that I want to offer
  • [07:59:35] <citylight2> Assume I buy a BBB and want to connect it to my home wireless
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  • [07:59:53] <citylight2> Today I have to connect a screen and keyboard
  • [08:00:15] <Parduz> really an hard task for me.... thanks av500 *sigh*
  • [08:00:54] <citylight2> What I did is run a second wireless from the tplink wn722 to offer a hotspot
  • [08:01:22] <citylight2> you connect to it using your phone and then define the wireless network name and password
  • [08:01:58] <av500> Parduz: alternatively just leave the sdcard in
  • [08:02:01] <av500> and be happy
  • [08:02:08] <av500> imagine its a BBwhite with no emmc
  • [08:03:39] <Parduz> no no, i will HAVE to learn how to do that one day or another. I was just hoping it was a "common" task already made for dumb users like me.
  • [08:03:54] <av500> yes
  • [08:03:58] <av500> the flasher images
  • [08:04:01] <av500> they flash an image
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  • [08:07:26] <Parduz> The concept of "image" (in this context) is a bit foggy, for me. Should i do an image of my current SD? I don't get (i mean, i don0't know at all) why i can't "clone" the running Debian "disk" from that debian itself (partition copying and stuffs like that)
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  • [08:34:56] <av500> Parduz: yes, thats what the script does
  • [08:35:00] <av500> why dont you look inside?
  • [08:35:20] <Parduz> i'm still struggling to find it *blush* :|
  • [08:37:36] <tbr> didn't I give you a link to it the other day?
  • [08:37:53] <woglinde> tbr you did
  • [08:38:20] <tbr> sskm
  • [08:38:26] <Parduz> yup, the RobertCNelson boot-scripts
  • [08:38:50] <Parduz> are that the same scripts of the flasher?
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  • [08:39:32] <woglinde> Parduz did you think you can flash without booting?
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  • [08:41:10] <Parduz> woglinde, i don't think nothing. I'm a Win user trrying to sort out how things works in this world, without the time to study linux theory before, and with the boss and the customer breathing fires if i don't show any "advancement" each week.
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  • [08:41:16] * tbr kicks TheKiwi where it hurts. your nickchanging is annoying
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  • [08:42:09] <Parduz> So, i'm really hitting my head against each wall i encounter. Really, even the stupidest help from you guys will save me days of struggling and about 50 phone calls
  • [08:42:30] <av500> I dont feel like giving free consulting services
  • [08:45:31] <woglinde> Parduz sorry tell your boss you need a sane linux course
  • [08:46:05] <woglinde> and after that a sane linux embedded course
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  • [08:46:16] <woglinde> and than a shell course
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  • [08:47:16] <Parduz> av500 i did'nt ask for it. i did'nt even know you're talking about the same scripts tbr linked to me. how should i have knew, looking to a page called RoberCNelson? From my point of view, it could have been a guys sharing his own work
  • [08:47:45] <Parduz> woglinde, to that course teach who's Mr.Nelson ? :)
  • [08:48:53] <av500> Parduz: if you have no time to "study linux", how do you expect to perform your task?
  • [08:49:03] <av500> which is around an embedded linux project as I understand
  • [08:51:31] <Parduz> I have no time NOW. I'd like to have a "do that" procedure just for this moment, make the prototype running, be able to "clone" 3-4 devices to make everyone happy,and then start reasoning and studying about it without ppl sitting on my head. I already have my beta app running, i just need to reach a state where i'm left alone doing stuffs in the right way :)
  • [08:52:38] <Parduz> yep, it will be a sort of "kiosk" display for an already existing electronic device
  • [08:53:01] <av500> so for "right now" just use sd cards
  • [08:53:06] <av500> they are easily cloneable
  • [08:53:10] <woglinde> yes
  • [08:53:20] <av500> imagine there is no emmc
  • [08:53:29] <av500> its just pain
  • [08:53:40] <av500> ever since the first BB and its stupid NAND
  • [08:53:40] <woglinde> hm where is the pain?
  • [08:53:54] <av500> woglinde: see his pain here this morning
  • [08:54:01] <av500> if there was no emmc, he would not have it
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  • [08:54:08] <woglinde> ah this pain
  • [08:54:13] <woglinde> with nand it was more pain
  • [08:54:24] <woglinde> and understanding ubifs
  • [08:54:30] <av500> that too
  • [08:55:16] <Parduz> have you ever had a boss who's decide basing on his guts, 'cause he don't really know anything but he always do that way and since he's rich and have a firm he's right?
  • [08:55:36] <woglinde> no
  • [08:55:38] <av500> all the time :)
  • [08:55:46] <woglinde> first I would not go to such a firm
  • [08:55:51] <woglinde> second I would go
  • [08:56:56] <Parduz> "we won't give out the SDs. Clone everything on the emmc, make it run in "kiosk" mode, clone everything back on the SD and build a flasher. The SD will then stay in my locker".
  • [08:57:14] <av500> superglue
  • [08:57:16] <Parduz> that's more or less my future plans
  • [08:57:22] <av500> "future"
  • [08:57:39] <av500> why would you clone stuff back?
  • [08:57:41] <tbr> I'm sure there are people around who will solve your problems at reasonable hourly rates.
  • [08:57:55] <woglinde> parduz so modify the flash script to make your kiosk stuff
  • [08:58:03] <woglinde> tbr told you where to find it
  • [08:58:38] <tbr> yes, do it, try it. koen's rule #3
  • [08:59:14] <woglinde> flasher foo should work with qemu too?
  • [08:59:21] <woglinde> so not even a real beagle is needed
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  • [08:59:53] <Parduz> making qemu running a BBB (on windows) is another big line in my TODO list
  • [09:00:37] <Parduz> making qemu running a BBB on a debian VM under windows is just one step below
  • [09:01:04] <tbr> in short: don't
  • [09:01:05] <Parduz> being able to cross-compile without making on the BBB itself another line below.
  • [09:01:24] <Parduz> *listening to tbr*
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  • [09:02:58] <Parduz> av500: to have a physical backup, i think. I really don't know
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  • [09:06:02] <tbr> there are scripts for both. it's your task to figure them out, nobody can do that for you
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  • [09:15:15] <Parduz> tbr, i got it. I was just "hoping" there was a ready "utility" to do that, i did'nt wnat to reinvent it if it was already existing
  • [09:16:06] <Parduz> also 'cause every "how to" i find is outdated or somewhat different from what i have. Thanks guys
  • [09:24:23] <av500> Parduz: why would you need a physical backup of a system that you deployed FROM and sdcard?
  • [09:24:31] <av500> and that sdcard got copied FROM the pc
  • [09:24:38] <av500> so why copy that back?
  • [09:24:43] <av500> an*
  • [09:25:12] <woglinde> dd is the tool
  • [09:25:37] <woglinde> which can copy partitions
  • [09:26:30] <citylight2> is this channel logged?
  • [09:27:42] <av500> http://beagleboard.org/chat
  • [09:28:21] <Parduz> av500: he wants on the SD a working "final" system. That final system will be an img somewhat flashed on the sold devices emmc. Why he wants it also on that SD is not somewhat i asked. I guess he want to be sure to be able to boot any device from the SD if he wants.....
  • [09:28:30] <Parduz> listening to you, wogline
  • [09:28:39] <Parduz> woglinde
  • [09:29:15] <citylight2> thanks av500
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  • [09:30:55] <citylight2> ok so here is the deb file: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1f470latyy0kess/cwvw_0.1-1_all.deb?dl=0">https://www.dropbox.com/s/1f470latyy0kess/cwvw_0.1-1_all.deb?dl=0
  • [09:31:38] <citylight2> you can extract it and see the python and shell scripts I used to engage systemd and connman to run my prog
  • [09:32:11] <citylight2> I want some feedback before I put it on github, so I can fix the obvius issues
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  • [09:37:11] <woglinde> citylight2 why not put it on github and get the feedback there?
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  • [09:37:54] <woglinde> citylight2 nobody expect from you to be perfect on the first release
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  • [09:39:22] <Ad0> any makefile experts here?
  • [09:39:25] <citylight2> fine here you go: https://gitlab.com/nivwiz/cwvw
  • [09:40:29] <citylight2> woglinde: I do expect people that will use this to have low linux skills
  • [09:40:42] <citylight2> so it better work out of the deb
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  • [09:41:41] <woglinde> Ad0 just ask
  • [09:42:33] <woglinde> citylight2 gitlab != github
  • [09:42:40] <Ad0> woglinde: hehe.
  • [09:42:50] <Ad0> ok I have a target "debug"
  • [09:42:59] <Ad0> debug: CFLAGS += -DDEBUG -g3 -O0
  • [09:42:59] <Ad0> debug: build
  • [09:43:03] <Ad0> right
  • [09:43:11] <Ad0> and it does build, but the cflags are never appended to
  • [09:43:12] <Ad0> it'
  • [09:43:17] <woglinde> citylight2 do not check in versioned directries
  • [09:43:18] <Ad0> it's like it refuses to set the var
  • [09:43:27] <Ad0> I am using gnu make for windows via cmd
  • [09:43:38] <Ad0> dunno if that's to blame...
  • [09:43:54] <woglinde> the version is in debian/changelog or your changelog file and its good manner to tag the release with the version number
  • [09:44:03] <citylight2> do not check in versioned - I don't understand
  • [09:44:16] <woglinde> cwvw cwvw-0.1
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  • [09:44:21] <woglinde> cwvw/cwvw-0.1
  • [09:44:52] <citylight2> by the way I also need a name for this
  • [09:45:51] <woglinde> citylight2 and do not check in generated files like build.....
  • [09:45:54] <woglinde> and .egg
  • [09:46:21] <woglinde> same for the generated files in debian
  • [09:46:37] <woglinde> run ./debian/rules clean
  • [09:46:51] <citylight2> ok
  • [09:47:29] <woglinde> some of the stuff I will comment directly on the code if I can
  • [09:47:40] <citylight2> thank you
  • [09:47:43] <woglinde> hm I cannt
  • [09:47:46] <woglinde> okay than here
  • [09:47:51] <citylight2> I will respond tonight
  • [09:48:26] <woglinde> in the debian/control add python-setup and other python packages so your package can be build
  • [09:48:40] <woglinde> debhelper alone is not enough
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  • [09:50:29] <woglinde> in the post inst script you should check if the systems really runs on systemd
  • [09:50:43] <Ad0> I suspect the variables are set in a different shell
  • [09:50:48] <Ad0> and are therefore gone
  • [09:51:14] <woglinde> citylight2 do not disable some ones running apache2 server in preinst
  • [09:52:08] <citylight2> but I want to serve my web at port 80, which apache may be using
  • [09:52:15] <woglinde> and?
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  • [09:53:20] <citylight2> well either run the apache or my app, how can I help the user choose?
  • [09:53:40] <woglinde> ?
  • [09:53:50] <woglinde> start your app on a diffrent port
  • [09:53:55] <woglinde> make it configurable
  • [09:54:00] <citylight2> I can replace the apache port used to 81 in the apache config, then port 80 is free for me
  • [09:54:19] <woglinde> later you use debconf to ask the user on which port your service should run
  • [09:54:25] <woglinde> no
  • [09:54:39] <citylight2> I see
  • [09:54:41] <woglinde> you do not tell the user how he should use is apache
  • [09:54:45] <woglinde> his
  • [09:55:29] <citylight2> ok, I should read on interactive debconf
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  • [09:58:25] <woglinde> okay
  • [09:58:32] <woglinde> I will not look at the code
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  • [10:01:54] <Ad0> woglinde: solution I had to do "export" in front of the variable...
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  • [11:42:50] <mazzanet> /win 20
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  • [11:44:40] <mazzanet> :(
  • [11:49:02] <Auke> Does someone have any idea why ra0 is not showing up for me? Running Debian jessie, and using UWN100 from Ralink
  • [11:49:24] <Humpelstilzchen> Auke: firmware-ralink installed? check dmesg
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  • [11:52:09] <Auke> with command dmesg | grep -i firmware-ralink?
  • [11:56:03] <Auke> Humpelstilzchen: got nothing from that, but after trying sudo apt-get install firmware-ralink; I got "firmware-ralink is already the newest version"
  • [11:57:50] <Auke> I do see "rt2870: probe of 1-1.2:1.0 failed with error -1 as last message in dmesg
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  • [12:09:53] <woglinde> auke so its not initialized
  • [12:14:25] <Auke> woglinde: any idea how to fix that? :P
  • [12:16:07] <woglinde> no
  • [12:16:12] <woglinde> newer modules=
  • [12:16:14] <woglinde> ?
  • [12:16:25] <woglinde> analyzing the dmesg output?
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  • [12:22:56] <stt_michael> uname -a ?
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  • [12:29:23] <Auke> Linux beaglebone 3.14.39-ti-r61 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Apr 24 18:32:15 UTC 2015 armv7l GNU/Linux
  • [12:29:40] <Auke> stt_michael
  • [12:30:04] <Auke> now looking through dmesg, but I'm still kinda a beginner with this sort of stuff
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  • [12:30:54] <stt_michael> rt isn't a ralink card .. isn't that a realtek ..? *googles*
  • [12:31:31] <stt_michael> nope my bad scratch that
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  • [12:33:33] <stt_michael> Auke, have you seen https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb ?
  • [12:34:47] <stt_michael> oh wait .. if that's a TI kernel .. scratch that too
  • [12:35:10] <stt_michael> or .. not .. need a kernel expert .. where's RCN .. lol.
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  • [13:08:22] <citylight2> woglinde: still around?
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  • [13:10:10] <Auke> stt_michael: I'm not sure which kernel it is, I just used one of the newest debian releases (from BeagleBoard.org Debian Image 2015-04-26)
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  • [13:26:31] <woglinde> citylight2 yes but have no time
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  • [13:29:58] <citylight2> woglinde: I can put my website on port 81, but it will not be easy for the enad user , to put in: http://somesite:81
  • [13:30:05] <citylight2> so I need your advice
  • [13:30:27] <woglinde> citylight2 it is
  • [13:30:29] <citylight2> we can talk tommorow
  • [13:30:40] <woglinde> when someone can setup an AP
  • [13:30:46] <woglinde> he knows about ports
  • [13:30:53] <citylight2> I see
  • [13:31:07] <woglinde> an other option is to proxy it with apache2
  • [13:31:18] <citylight2> should I put my gnuicorn behind apache using a conf file?
  • [13:31:21] <woglinde> e.g. run your app on some port
  • [13:31:27] <citylight2> right
  • [13:31:35] <citylight2> ok, I will look in to it
  • [13:31:36] <woglinde> and make it accessible via name/foo/
  • [13:32:09] <citylight2> just to be clear, woglinde, are you a BBB maintainer?
  • [13:32:28] <woglinde> citylight2 no
  • [13:32:38] <woglinde> I do not even own a bbb
  • [13:32:46] <woglinde> and you question are not really bbb related
  • [13:32:46] <citylight2> if I do what you say, will my deb package be a candidate to enter the repos?
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  • [13:32:56] <woglinde> citylight2 uhm?
  • [13:33:05] <woglinde> if you want to integrate it into debian
  • [13:33:10] <citylight2> how is in-charge of adding packages to the repo?
  • [13:33:18] <woglinde> you need a lot of polishing
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  • [13:33:29] <woglinde> I do not know if rcn has an extra beagleboard repo
  • [13:33:37] <woglinde> you should ask him
  • [13:33:42] <citylight2> obviously, but I want to improve
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  • [13:39:13] <stt_michael> Auke, you should be ok with changing the /etc/apt/sources.list as the article I linked suggests .. then you can apt-get the firmware ..
  • [13:39:40] <mistawright> has anyone used one of these arduino capes for the beaglebone black:http://www.wvshare.com/product/CAPE-for-Arduino.htm
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  • [13:46:06] <av500> mistawright: I have not seen it being mentioned here much
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  • [13:49:38] <Auke> stt_michael: ok I'll try! I tried to upgrade it before but then it said it was already up to date
  • [13:53:04] <mistawright> av500, I stumbled across and I am interested in trying. I have a few motorshields and relayshields for arduino's i havent touched since I got my beaglebone black
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  • [14:03:58] <Auke> stt_michael: tried it, but unfortunately it still said that firmware-ralink was up to date
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  • [14:05:32] <av500> mistawright: might as well just use some jumper wires
  • [14:06:56] <stt_michael> Auke, wi-fi drivers can be a nightmare. you could try a kernel update .. but I'm not currently sure on the BBB packaging of that
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  • [14:12:55] <Auke> stt_michael: well thanks for the suggestions! It's just frustrating that wi-fi driver used to work on older debian versions
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  • [14:16:14] <philenotfound> av500: pub, the universal arduino to bb adapter
  • [14:16:21] <stt_michael> Auke, try an older image ;) if you know a kernel version that worked ... or a debian release
  • [14:16:28] <stt_michael> !is rcn-ee
  • [14:16:37] <stt_michael> *smirk*
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  • [15:40:59] <citylight2> rcn-ee: hi there
  • [15:41:18] <rcn-ee> citylight2, yeap, worked with my atheros.
  • [15:41:54] <citylight2> ok, so I talked to woglinde and he asked me not to stop apache in my preinst
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  • [15:42:16] <citylight2> he also asked to move it to another port leaving port 80 free for apache
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  • [15:42:49] <citylight2> I can also add a conf file for apache, so my gunicorn will be behind apache
  • [15:42:57] <citylight2> tell me what you want me to do
  • [15:43:01] <rcn-ee> usually nodejs has port 80, so the image i was running has it on 8080.. ;)
  • [15:43:13] <citylight2> so this deb will be a candidate to enter the repo
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  • [15:44:22] <rcn-ee> i've added python-dbus to the image by default, we need to clean up the init scripts for systemd. ;)
  • [15:44:37] <rcn-ee> (i can help with that. ;))
  • [15:45:23] <citylight2> I also plan to move it to gpl-3
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  • [15:49:36] <citylight2> rcn-ee: I now have the project at https://gitlab.com/nivwiz/cwvw
  • [15:49:46] <citylight2> and I also need to change the name
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  • [15:57:14] <Peanut> Hi rcn - I've flashed the 'console' version of the 2015-03-01 Debian release. I can see that it brings up an USB-ethernet interface, but apparently doesn't do DHCP (not server not client) There's also no serial-over-USB, so I can't get to the console?
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  • [15:58:18] <rcn-ee> Peanut, "sudo dhclient ethX" on your host pc..
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  • [15:59:04] <rcn-ee> the console, just loads g_ether.. the full lxde image loads g_multi...
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  • [16:00:55] <Peanut> rcn: I tried running dhclient on my PC, but got no IP address.
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  • [16:02:47] <rcn-ee> Peanut, just reviewed the git log, there hasn't been any changes.. can you pastebin.com: "sudo ifconfig -a" on your host?
  • [16:04:13] <Peanut> rcn: not at the moment, as I flashed it back to the LXDE image, and then removed/disabled all of the node.js/cloud9/avahi etc. But I can try it again now that you've confirmed that the BBB side should be running dhcp on the Ether_over_USB side.
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  • [16:10:52] <citylight2> back from dinner, ok, so should I add an apache conf file?
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  • [16:13:06] <rcn-ee> Peanut, i'm just checking it right now too.. just flashing. ;)
  • [16:13:36] <Peanut> Oh, you beat me to it, because I can't find the uSD yet.
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  • [16:27:07] <rcn-ee> Peanut, first boot... eth1 shows up, but dhcp isn't working, lets reboot..
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  • [16:30:24] <rcn-ee> duh.. Peanut udhcpd is not installed by default on the console.. The console is 'spec'd' to be just enough to flash the eMMC, anything beyond that is up to the user..
  • [16:31:41] <Peanut> rcn-ee: Ah, that explains it. It would be nice to have serial-over-USB console access to help bring things up. Without a monitor and USB keyboard, I ended up locked-out from my BBB, which complicates debugging a bit :-)
  • [16:31:43] <rcn-ee> Peanut, what i think i'll do.. change this: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/boot-scripts/blob/master/boot/am335x_evm.sh#L97
  • [16:32:04] <rcn-ee> to g_serial when udhcp/dnsmasq is NOT installed.. that way you can atleast serial in. ;)
  • [16:32:20] <Peanut> We seem to agree there, thanks!
  • [16:33:43] <Peanut> One other quicky question: why did /lib/firmware/BB-UART0-00A0.dtbo change into /lib/firmware/ADAFRUIT-UART4-00A0.dtbo? Sponorship deal? ;-)
  • [16:34:04] <Peanut> I mean the chane from BB (or whatever it was) to ADAFRUIT.
  • [16:35:10] <rcn-ee> BB-UART0-00A0.dtbo is built-into the kernel.. ADAFRUIT-UART4-00A0.dtbo comes from their external package. ;)
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  • [16:37:03] <Peanut> Ah.. it didn't exist in /lib/firmware prior? Gosh.. perhaps I made the BB-version myself then...
  • [16:37:28] <rcn-ee> Peanut, fixed for future users. ;) https://github.com/RobertCNelson/boot-scripts/commit/ef039901d44a71487d14ffc06b6337982ccec6a1
  • [16:38:02] <rcn-ee> so the *.dtbo's use to be shown in /lib/firmware/ but then we ran into a problem with people editing the files under /lib/firmware/ but not seeing thing change..
  • [16:38:25] <rcn-ee> as the version built-into the kernel didn't change.. so we removed all the *.dtbo from /lib/firmware/ that were built-in..
  • [16:39:02] <Peanut> Right.. so I could still echo 'BB-UART0" to capemgr/slots?
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  • [16:39:38] <rcn-ee> correct, and it'll work jsut fine..
  • [16:40:27] <Peanut> Nice. We just got 3 BBB, two are now running as NTP server (doesn't play nice with virtualization), and one is an Ethernet-to-RS232 converter to hook up some measurement equipment.
  • [16:40:35] <rcn-ee> you can actually dump all the cape options in the kernel via: cat /boot/System.map-`uname -r` | grep dtbo
  • [16:41:01] <Peanut> ENOSUCHFILE
  • [16:41:41] <rcn-ee> this is with: BeagleBoard.org Debian Image 2015-03-01
  • [16:41:49] <rcn-ee> so you might have something earlier..
  • [16:42:19] <Peanut> Oh, this one os 2014-04-23, didn't upgrade the one that is currently powered on.
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  • [16:43:59] <Peanut> So regarding the github change you just did - you can't have g_serial and g_ether at the same time, that would require g_multi?
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  • [16:45:14] <rcn-ee> Peanut, we can't use g_multi with a single partition setup the console image uses. (things get corrupted).. While the full lxde image has a 100Mb fat partition we use for documenation.. (wasted space on the console)
  • [16:45:58] <rcn-ee> while it was cool to use g_multi for awhile and have full access to root, turns out things get corrupted. ;)
  • [16:46:13] <Peanut> Ah, thanks. Not meant as criticizing, just trying to learn. Hadn't expected g_multi to depend on the filesystem layout.
  • [16:46:33] <Peanut> Oh, I get way.. it's because of the mass-storage driver.
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  • [16:47:23] <rcn-ee> it works. ;) "cdc_acm 3-1.2:2.0: ttyACM0: USB ACM device"
  • [16:48:06] <Peanut> You just rebuilt a new image, flashed it and booted again already? Impressive.
  • [16:48:22] <rcn-ee> nah, installed git-core, cd /opt/scripts/ ; sudo git pull ; sudo reboot...
  • [16:49:58] <Peanut> Ah, of course.
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  • [16:51:56] <rcn-ee> hum, no login over /dev/ttyACM0..
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  • [16:54:16] <rcn-ee> ...it helps to enable serial-getty@ttyGS0.service ;)
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  • [16:57:41] <nash_strongman> hi can anyone point me to a resource to learn how to use the dsp on Beagleboard - xM ?
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  • [16:58:33] <rcn-ee> nash_strongman, the ti 2.6.32 kernel and search for a book on amazon: ti omap dsp for dummies... (ti published that!)
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  • [16:59:59] <rcn-ee> nash_strongman, nm: says no longer avaiable: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OMAP_and_DaVinci_Software_for_Dummies
  • [17:00:42] <thurgood_> lol dsp for dummies? kind of an oxymoron
  • [17:01:01] <rcn-ee> all the for dummies books are .;)
  • [17:01:50] <thurgood_> that one is very not a topic for dummies though
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  • [17:02:36] <rcn-ee> (they don't know that. ;) )
  • [17:03:05] <thurgood_> ah
  • [17:03:17] <thurgood_> :)
  • [17:03:20] <Peanut> I'm calling it a day.. time for dinner, and hobby time (more BBB ;-)
  • [17:04:12] <nash_strongman> thank you
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  • [20:42:49] <jkridner> rcn-ee: my X15 heartbeat has gone crazy.
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  • [20:44:04] <rcn-ee> that's not good.. you didn't upgrade the kernel right?
  • [20:44:08] <veremit> jkridner .. hey you GOT an x15 AND a heartbeat .. stfu rofl :P
  • [20:44:22] <jkridner> rcn-ee: I did not.
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  • [20:44:50] <rcn-ee> humm... anything odd in dmesg?
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  • [22:05:26] <Posterdati> hi
  • [22:06:18] <Posterdati> I've got this running debian 8 on beaglebone: irq 23: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)
  • [22:06:26] <Posterdati> please help
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  • [22:06:45] <rcn-ee> Posterdati, uname -r?
  • [22:08:36] <Posterdati> cannot reach a prompt
  • [22:09:07] <vagrantc> how did you install?
  • [22:09:25] <Posterdati> write the image with a dd on a microsd
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  • [22:09:44] <Posterdati> Linux version 3.14.40-ti-r62 (root@a4-imx6q-wandboard-2gb)
  • [22:09:57] <veremit> o,o wrong chan lol
  • [22:10:06] <veremit> ohwait nvm
  • [22:10:16] <veremit> thats just rcn's build-station
  • [22:10:19] <veremit> lol
  • [22:10:46] <veremit> *facepalm*
  • [22:11:40] <Posterdati> any hint?
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  • [22:12:00] <rcn-ee> Posterdati, yeah, one of those kernels had a few irq issues, i'm looling up when ti fixed it..
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  • [22:12:53] <veremit> rcn.. can you apt-get kernels in your bbb system yet?
  • [22:13:19] <rcn-ee> veremit, you can... but if he's not getting to prompt...
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  • [22:13:27] <veremit> *nod* ofc.
  • [22:13:35] <Posterdati> can I use another kernel?
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  • [22:14:07] <rcn-ee> Posterdati, of course... but no prompt over serial/etc?
  • [22:14:35] <veremit> Posterdati .. you'll need to mount your uSD card on a workinh linux systrm and replace tge kernel image with one rcn-ee finds is good ;)
  • [22:15:25] <Posterdati> ok
  • [22:16:26] <veremit> if you're comfortable with that .. :)
  • [22:16:34] <Posterdati> rcn-ee: I will post you my dmesg
  • [22:16:46] <rcn-ee> Posterdati, can you pastebin.com your serial log (with the error) and email to me.. (about to head home)
  • [22:17:10] <rcn-ee> irq patch i was thinking, was before r62...
  • [22:17:20] <rcn-ee> so this looks like a new one.. ;)
  • [22:18:07] <Posterdati> rcn-ee: http://pastebin.com/9ns1demJ
  • [22:18:53] <rcn-ee> Posterdati, yuck on the TPS65217! that's the pmic... humm...
  • [22:19:18] <Posterdati> is the companion
  • [22:20:07] <Posterdati> the board works with angstrom
  • [22:20:24] <rcn-ee> angstrom is also using 3.8.x... ;)
  • [22:20:52] <veremit> rcn .. at least its not 2.6 .. ;)
  • [22:21:09] <Posterdati> http://www.element14.com/community/thread/41086/l/beaglebone-black-does-not-boot-by-kernel-panic?displayFullThread=true
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  • [22:21:46] <rcn-ee> Posterdati, that's the mdio ethernet...
  • [22:22:01] <Posterdati> ok, not related
  • [22:22:32] <rcn-ee> Posterdati, where did you get this board? "AM335X ES2.1 (sgx neon )" that's using newer processor from the black for the white...
  • [22:23:14] <Posterdati> from mouser, it is a beaglebone from circuitco rev
  • [22:23:18] <Posterdati> B
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  • [22:26:01] <rcn-ee> Posterdati, do you have the part number handy? they have everyhting but the rev b..
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  • [22:30:38] <Posterdati> 595-BEAGLEBONE-000
  • [22:31:19] <Posterdati> BB-BONE-000
  • [22:31:59] <rcn-ee> i was looking for the rev b part..
  • [22:32:12] <rcn-ee> checkout our stock to see if we got in any recently.. before waiting 9 weeks..
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  • [22:32:53] <Posterdati> I waited one year!
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