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  • [04:52:39] <JIJU> Hi how to read serialport in android platform in beagle
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  • [04:53:47] <JIJU> hello, how to read serialport in android platform in beagle
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  • [05:02:31] <av500> https://www.google.com/search?q=android+read+serial+port
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  • [05:40:02] <flavi0> hi people. are beaglebone (black) capes in some way compatible to a beagleboard[-xM] extension header? is there an adapter board maybe which allows using bbb capes with a beagleboard-xM?
  • [05:41:25] <tbr> depending on the signals used by the particular board you might be able to hand-wire things
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  • [05:42:28] <tbr> as in buy a bag of cheap f-f jumpers for 1-3 currency units and get plugging
  • [05:43:17] <tbr> at least I'm not aware of a XM→BBB adapter
  • [05:43:23] <flavi0> ok, i was thinking about some pre-made adapter solution. are the io pins the same in general so something like this should be able to build generically? or does the bbb use more extension pins so only a subset could be mapped?
  • [05:43:27] <av500> flavi0: no
  • [05:43:33] <av500> not enough customers
  • [05:43:39] <av500> and yes, BBB has way more
  • [05:43:56] <tbr> also different signal levels on some pins IIRC
  • [05:44:07] <tbr> so might need a bag of shifters too
  • [05:44:34] <flavi0> alright, i was just wondering when looking through all the capes available for bbb by now, as i still don't own one of those :) thanks!
  • [05:44:51] <tbr> just buy a BBB/BBG then
  • [05:45:06] <flavi0> will certainly do if i get time for some fiddling
  • [05:45:16] <flavi0> (bbg?)
  • [05:45:43] <tbr> the beaglebone green was announced this weekend
  • [05:45:44] <av500> green is the new black
  • [05:45:49] <flavi0> oh nice :)
  • [05:46:21] <tbr> same chip, no hdmi, but rtc battery and something else
  • [05:46:41] <flavi0> what about on-chip dsp? that's what i got the bb-xM for initially..
  • [05:46:54] <Abhishek_> no on chip DSP
  • [05:46:56] <flavi0> well same chip answers that..
  • [05:46:59] <Abhishek_> but you have PRUs
  • [05:47:14] <av500> flavi0: how much did you do with the DSP so far?
  • [05:47:24] <av500> flavi0: not same chip
  • [05:48:01] <flavi0> av500: actually nothing which is a shame :/ i'm really using all my time for my master's thesis right now, so i'll have to wait another few weeks before digging into that.
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  • [05:49:11] <tbr> av500: different chip? as in last digit different, I guess?
  • [05:49:31] <av500> xm vs bbb?
  • [05:49:52] <tbr> aah, sorry, yes
  • [05:49:55] <flavi0> Abhishek_: interesting.. do you know of any dsp software which will run on those PRUs or would i have to craft anything myself?
  • [05:50:01] * tbr was thinking BBB/BBG
  • [05:50:08] * flavi0 too
  • [05:50:26] <tbr> flavi0: PRU ~= micro-controller
  • [05:50:42] <flavi0> so i have a regular c compiler for those?
  • [05:50:45] <av500> yes
  • [05:50:47] <av500> there is one
  • [05:50:50] <flavi0> oh that's sweet
  • [05:50:56] <av500> but most ppl write asm
  • [05:51:01] <av500> as you want tight loops
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  • [05:51:07] <av500> around fast real time bit banging
  • [05:51:56] <flavi0> i see, interesting.. and anything premade available for audio dsp applications? like oscillators, filters, reverbs..?
  • [05:51:59] <tbr> and offload the non timing critical stuff to the ARM
  • [05:52:03] <av500> flavi0: no
  • [05:52:06] <av500> its not for audio
  • [05:52:16] <av500> at all
  • [05:52:17] <flavi0> why wouldn't it be?
  • [05:52:50] <av500> well
  • [05:52:57] <av500> im sure you can force it to do that
  • [05:53:27] <av500> but why run audio on a 200mhz PRU than on an 800mhz cortex A8 and neon?
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  • [05:54:11] <flavi0> well latency guarantees and such. but i'm really just getting this, i thing a rt-enabled linux kernel on the cortex might work as well or better..
  • [05:54:16] <flavi0> into*
  • [05:55:00] <flavi0> can the 2x512B data memory be written from the main controller?
  • [05:55:58] <flavi0> so i might do audio i/o on the cortex but offload dsp calculations to the PRU with guaranteed response times? don't know if that makes any sense at all, however ;)
  • [05:57:00] <av500> the PRU has no DSP instructions
  • [05:57:41] <av500> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/PRU_Assembly_Instructions
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  • [05:57:49] <av500> you are going into the wrong direction
  • [05:58:11] <flavi0> av500: ok. thanks for the pointers. i will dig into this if i get the time.
  • [05:58:23] <flavi0> now got to get that thesis written first...
  • [05:58:27] <av500> meh
  • [05:58:31] <av500> work on fun things!!!
  • [05:58:36] <av500> what is it about?
  • [05:58:59] <flavi0> real-time dual hand pose estimation using a depth camera for application in virtual reality. could be worse ;)
  • [05:59:59] <tbr> opencv? *duck* *run*
  • [06:00:50] <flavi0> tbr: nah, it's a modelbased algorithm, i do high-performance rendering using latest opengl features and the calculations using compute shaders on modern gpus. i use opencv for dilation/erosion of the skin map however.
  • [06:01:20] <av500> I know some of the words
  • [06:01:43] <tbr> wooords
  • [06:02:04] <flavi0> it's really a lot of fun i must admit. got one more week to get the implementation to realtime framerates, which i think i can do, and then the boring writing part begins ;)
  • [06:02:30] <tbr> flavi0: it used to be very common for students to come in here and demand help with their BB* + webcam + opencv assignment/project/thesis
  • [06:03:50] <flavi0> this is the project https://github.com/flvi0/RHaPSODIES that's a working implementation but with only 4fps as in the original paper. the speeding up part is not yet pushed to github since we might publish it somewhere first.
  • [06:03:51] <tbr> it was sometimes tragicomedy. "but it's due tomorrow, you must help me" and such. :-/
  • [06:03:58] <flavi0> hehe i can imagine..
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  • [06:57:20] <Guest42522> Hello, my beaglebone black has solid power light and no other LED activity with or without SD card. Is there anyway to revive my board?
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  • [07:42:02] <mrpackethead> anybody here got orcad, and would print a file to a pdf for me?
  • [07:42:47] <av500> not me
  • [07:43:03] <av500> unless that MS-DOS version from the 80's counts
  • [07:44:09] <av500> if I can find the floppy
  • [07:44:26] <mrpackethead> they changed format at 16.3, so altium cant' read it any longer.
  • [07:46:20] <KotH> av500: hehe
  • [07:46:34] <KotH> av500: i have orcad 386 as well, including handbooks and dongle
  • [07:46:45] * KotH wonders if that can be get to working condition again
  • [07:46:56] <mrpackethead> on a $9 computer
  • [07:49:39] <KotH> i'd like to have an 640x480 display, at least
  • [07:49:43] <tbr> KotH: I once virtualized an architects working setup from the 80s as it wouldn't properly boot natively anymore.
  • [07:49:57] <KotH> tbr: yeah.. it probably has to be done that way
  • [07:50:07] <KotH> tbr: unfortunately, the thing needs a parallel port dongle
  • [07:50:18] <tbr> he had dragged along dos6 with a parport dongle and sh*t, in addition to NT4 and a parport dongle...
  • [07:50:20] <KotH> tbr: which is a PITA to use in virtualization (being non-standard)
  • [07:50:24] * KotH sets mode -o KotH
  • [07:50:40] * KotH hugs tbr
  • [07:50:42] <KotH> i know your pain
  • [07:50:43] <tbr> it surprisingly worked. We used a PCI parport card
  • [07:51:19] * KotH wonders whether the company, from whom he "borrowed" orcad still exists
  • [07:51:25] <tbr> I'm not sure if it would work with a USB based parport...
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  • [08:26:53] <zmatt> GenTooMan: hmm?
  • [08:27:58] <zmatt> oh PWM, I've never used the kernel module, just directly from userspace
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  • [08:28:49] <zmatt> seems to work as advertised, and it's reasonably well documented (though the "HR" part is a bit icky)
  • [08:29:44] <zmatt> can't get its irq to work though, not even by manually triggering it (unlike the tripzone, eCAP, and eQEP irqs which work fine)
  • [08:30:13] <zmatt> but not sure when you'd ever need it anyway
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  • [08:50:24] <citylight2> is rcn the one maintaining http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian ?
  • [08:50:32] <citylight2> its very well written
  • [08:59:41] <av500> yes
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  • [09:17:03] <citylight2> hi, I just flashed the last jessie image from: BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-8.0-console-armhf-2015-05-17-2gb.img
  • [09:17:31] <citylight2> I connect a usb to my ubuntu and no device shows up after the BBB is up
  • [09:18:25] <citylight2> need I edit any file in the SD image before I use it to boot-then-flash the BBB?
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  • [09:48:24] <tamarin> I wonder how many reprappers are also pythonistas.
  • [09:48:25] <Ad0> I followed the eMMC flash guide but it seems to just boot normally from the microsd instead of flashing
  • [09:48:31] <Ad0> when holding the boot button and all that
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  • [10:03:49] <citylight2> Ad0 which image did you download?
  • [10:03:51] <Ad0> ah fixed it
  • [10:03:55] <citylight2> how?
  • [10:03:58] <Ad0> cmdline=init=/opt/scripts/tools/eMMC/init-eMMC-flasher-v3.sh
  • [10:04:06] <Ad0> in that uEnv
  • [10:04:15] <Ad0> In /boot/uEnv.txt:
  • [10:04:20] <Ad0> doh *smacks face*
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  • [10:04:49] <citylight2> right
  • [10:05:13] <citylight2> if you boot with your usb connected to a pc, do you see the new device?
  • [10:05:30] <citylight2> can you connect you BBB to your pc after boot?
  • [10:05:39] <citylight2> may didn't work with the new image
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  • [10:08:15] <Ad0> citylight2: it works now
  • [10:08:20] <Ad0> I just had to uncomment the flasher line
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  • [10:08:40] <Ad0> it has a cylon pattern on the LEDs now
  • [10:08:46] <Jo_> Hello
  • [10:08:48] <Jo_> I have questions concerning flashing the MMC
  • [10:09:24] <Ad0> really
  • [10:09:30] <Ad0> I am doing it right now with success
  • [10:09:44] <citylight2> which image Ad0?
  • [10:09:51] <Jo_> and after that all four leds do a heart beat?
  • [10:10:18] <Ad0> I am not sure yet :)
  • [10:10:25] <Ad0> I think they all should flash or be constantly lit
  • [10:10:49] <Ad0> http://derekmolloy.ie/write-a-new-image-to-the-beaglebone-black/
  • [10:11:12] <Ad0> "Wait until the LEDs stop blinking and all 4 LEDs are fully lit as in Figure 2 "
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  • [10:11:25] <Ad0> ya they should all be lit constantly then
  • [10:11:27] <Ad0> I'll report back
  • [10:11:44] <Jo_> for me they did the night rider thing and are doing an heart beat...
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  • [10:12:41] <Ad0> It switched itself off..
  • [10:13:00] <Ad0> using http://debian.beagleboard.org/images/bone-debian-7.8-lxde-4gb-armhf-2015-03-01-4gb.img.xz
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  • [10:13:29] <Ad0> successfully flashed
  • [10:13:48] <Jo_> after how long?
  • [10:13:53] <Ad0> 10 minutes
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  • [10:38:19] <aga_> Hi there
  • [10:39:04] <aga_> just wondering, does any of you have any experience with compiling CCID on beaglebone?
  • [10:39:44] <av500> www.ccid.org?
  • [10:40:32] <aga_> https://pcsclite.alioth.debian.org/ccid.html
  • [10:43:55] <aga_> libusb,h cannot be found
  • [10:44:00] <aga_> though it should be installed
  • [10:44:35] <stt_michael> libusb v1 or v0.1 :p
  • [10:45:58] <stt_michael> you'll probably want libusb-dev too if you need the header
  • [10:46:39] <aga_> problem is that only usb.h but not libusb.h is in the libusb-dev package
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  • [10:48:42] <Ad0> ya
  • [10:49:26] <Ad0> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libccid
  • [10:50:23] <Ad0> GNU/Linux using libusb 1.0.x and later
  • [10:50:43] <Ad0> which libusb do you have aga_
  • [10:52:58] <Ad0> https://packages.debian.org/sid/libusb-1.0-0-dev
  • [10:53:01] <aga_> thx, that was the right pointer. for some reason I had the wrong libusb-dev installed
  • [10:53:11] <Ad0> get that one
  • [10:53:14] <stt_michael> https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/libusb-1.0-0-dev/filelist
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  • [12:25:19] <k-man> can i install a debian image on my BBB without having a flashcard around?
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  • [13:18:41] <clockman> I'm following several different guides for patching the u-boot UART on startup problem, but each time I do, I copy the u-boot.img and MLO to the boot partition, and it renders the BBB unbootable. I suspect it's because I'm not compiling MLO/u-boot.img for the right version of angstrom. How can I make sure to compile it for my right distro/version?
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  • [16:28:51] <Bilal> Hello
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  • [16:30:50] <Bilal> i need some information about beagle boards
  • [16:30:54] <Bilal> any help?ç
  • [16:31:23] <vagrantc> Bilal: ask a question about your issue and wait paitently...
  • [16:31:56] <KotH> and pay 5 bars of swiss chocolate to our swiss bank account
  • [16:32:27] <Bilal> we are trying to design a custom board, but i need to know which of these beagle boards is the best option
  • [16:32:36] <KotH> alternatively an inskender kebab delivered to my address
  • [16:32:41] <KotH> iskender*
  • [16:33:12] <KotH> if you need to design a custom borad, then obviously none of the borads is the best option otherwise you wouldnt need to design your own borad
  • [16:42:07] <Bilal> but i need a development board to start with our design
  • [16:42:51] <Bilal> i need to know which board could offer me: GigE, usb and 8 bit parallel camera interface
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  • [17:44:23] <citylight2> hi I seek someone to test a new program to allow config of the wireless using a self created access-point
  • [17:44:38] <citylight2> I have a deb file and the sources
  • [17:45:12] <citylight2> in fact no C is involved, so its easy to extract the deb and read the files
  • [17:45:47] <citylight2> I tested installing it on a BBB that was flashed with latest jessie, and it works
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  • [18:21:19] <citylight2> j0rd hi
  • [18:21:28] <citylight2> will you be able to test my deb?
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  • [18:28:19] <cityLights> well its here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1f470latyy0kess/cwvw_0.1-1_all.deb?dl=0
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  • [19:38:38] <ZanQdo> I'm trying to enable wifi on my BBB, ifconfig doesn't list the wlan0
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  • [20:16:08] <cityLights> rcn-ee: free?
  • [20:16:28] <rcn-ee> sure, what's up cityLights
  • [20:16:57] <cityLights> I am waiting for your feedback on the program I wrote
  • [20:17:26] <cityLights> the one that lets you setup a wireless connection without connecting a screen and keyboard
  • [20:17:54] <rcn-ee> yeap, sorry forgot about it last night.. i'll add a reminder note for tonight..
  • [20:18:27] <cityLights> I can also share the sources , but I still didn't upload it to github, as I need to be a bit more secure
  • [20:18:36] <cityLights> so far it looks ok
  • [20:20:07] <cityLights> who was that girl that asked for a program like this?
  • [20:20:41] <cityLights> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1f470latyy0kess/cwvw_0.1-1_all.deb?dl=0
  • [20:20:55] <rcn-ee> cityLights, jkridner was looking to add it as an default option. ;)
  • [20:21:11] <cityLights> sweet, I got working then
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  • [20:25:23] <cityLights> ok, good night
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  • [20:55:02] <jkridner> rcn-ee: what's that?
  • [20:55:13] <jkridner> cwvw?
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  • [20:55:32] <jkridner> cityLights: what is this program?
  • [20:55:50] <jkridner> why can't sources be provided for a program that configures wifi?
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  • [20:56:21] <jkridner> rcn-ee: I think we still need to provide a Wheezy solution for a while. Not sure.
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  • [20:57:31] <rcn-ee> jkridner, it's your config wifi access thru web gui as an virtual ap. ;)
  • [20:58:23] <jkridner> that'd be handy. ideally added to the bone101 web page.
  • [20:58:29] <jkridner> lots of requests.
  • [20:58:46] <rcn-ee> my thought too! ;)
  • [20:58:50] <jkridner> did you see the recent one on twitter from rgb-123.
  • [20:58:50] <jkridner> ?
  • [20:59:13] * jkridner wonders relation between cityLights and rgb-123.
  • [20:59:49] <jkridner> rcn-ee: at one point, I did a bit of homework for the Arduino guys looking to configure wifi via the web interface...
  • [20:59:56] <jkridner> node has a dbus module...
  • [21:00:06] <jkridner> had to look up the dbus interfaces for them.
  • [21:00:23] <rcn-ee> cityLights, is just asking connman for it .;)
  • [21:00:24] <jkridner> left it to them to do the hard work. I am pretty sure they completed it.
  • [21:00:52] <jkridner> rcn-ee: I'm currently trying to hack a few things out for BBG.
  • [21:01:20] <_av500_> jkridner: ping
  • [21:01:26] <jkridner> _av500_: yo!
  • [21:01:27] <rcn-ee> i saw that... suprised we don't have an i2c already in cloud9... i'll let you work. ;)
  • [21:01:35] <_av500_> jkridner: can you host tomorrow?
  • [21:02:38] <jkridner> _av500_: do you have an agenda?
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  • [21:04:40] <_av500_> oops, wrong channel
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  • [21:12:32] <jkridner> rcn-ee: any thoughts on how to fix builds.beagleboard.org?
  • [21:19:53] <rcn-ee> jkridner, is it broken? it's building *.deb's for me. ;)
  • [21:20:21] <rcn-ee> the build-image target looks down.. that's talking to the x15?
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  • [21:31:06] <jkridner> rcn-ee: yes...
  • [21:31:12] <jkridner> keeps disconnecting.
  • [21:31:19] <jkridner> I extended the timeout, but that didn't help.
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  • [21:32:14] <rcn-ee> maybe, with the ip address change, you have to reset it? (if it's backed by ssh)
  • [21:36:14] <cityLights> jkridner: in the deb you'll find my email, I uploaded all the sources to gitlab, and will be happy to share it with you
  • [21:36:47] <jkridner> cityLights: so all the sources are public or is that a private gitlab?
  • [21:36:53] <cityLights> Its already copyrighted as GPL , so I inted to allow all to use it
  • [21:37:12] <jkridner> rcn-ee: I don't think it is an IP change because it connects up again every hour.
  • [21:37:19] <cityLights> its private until I am sure everyone may use it
  • [21:37:46] <cityLights> I still need to summeries the work to the readme
  • [21:37:51] * jkridner isn't sure what qualifies for "everyone may use it"
  • [21:37:56] <jkridner> as in, it works?
  • [21:38:05] <rcn-ee> "one" in everyone. ;)
  • [21:38:19] <cityLights> I tested it on a fresh install of BBB
  • [21:38:35] <cityLights> it is free
  • [21:39:09] <cityLights> but I would like to have this a used by many people, so I need to have you guys read it
  • [21:39:28] <cityLights> I will also like to add tests to it
  • [21:40:08] <cityLights> by the way as it is mostly python and shell, anyone can extract the deb file and read it
  • [21:42:13] <cityLights> dpkg-deb -x cwvw_0.1-1_all.deb somedir/
  • [21:42:45] <cityLights> off to dream, looking forward to reading your comments
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  • [21:43:37] <cityLights> oh ya, I did this in order to use with open sprinkler
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  • [23:07:49] <Moult> (disclaimer: hardware newbie) - can someone explain the difference between http://www.miniinthebox.com/2-way-relay-module-relay-expansion-board-with-optocoupler-protection_p1113810.html?currency=AUD&litb_from=paid_adwords_shopping&gclid=Cj0KEQjwvuuqBRDG95yR6tmfg9oBEiQAjE3RQKduoyKe-xXxU6gnA7WreGChHoIO-TXeGpabQi_AR1AaAn-B8P8HAQ and http://www.miniinthebox.com/2-channel-electric-relay-module-relay-expansion-board-with-
  • [23:07:49] <Moult> optocoupler_p903427.html?currency=AUD&litb_from=paid_adwords_shopping&gclid=Cj0KEQjwvuuqBRDG95yR6tmfg9oBEiQAjE3RQEUqPUNkgRlH7VmTmzPK-jHpKYjPL14gBW5XsgCSsw8aAh3f8P8HAQ ?
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  • [23:20:32] <Moult> GenTooMan: agreed
  • [23:22:26] <GenTooMan> without a schematic hard too say. What are you trying to do?
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  • [23:23:58] <Moult> GenTooMan: i want to control a larger circuit for home automation (toggling lights, sprinklers, fans, etc). i was told that using an optocoupler relay would be good to isolate the two circuits.
  • [23:24:26] <Moult> GenTooMan: however looking online i see two very similar products but there is clearly a difference between them
  • [23:26:47] <Moult> GenTooMan: oh wait, now i think i understand what "two-way" means. according to wikipedia: "Optical channel always works one way, from the source (LED) to the sensor. The sensors, be it photoresistors, photodiodes or phototransistors, cannot emit light.[note 11] But LEDs, like all semiconductor diodes,[note 12] are capable of detecting incoming light, which makes possible construction of a two-way opto-isolator from a pair of
  • [23:26:47] <Moult> LEDs."
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  • [23:35:11] <GenTooMan> Well if all you are doing is controlling relays. Keep it simple. First you do want to isolate you controller. Second the relay must be rated for the load / type it's being used with. Isolation by optocoupler is good but you need to have power on the relay side of the circuit seperate from the control side. ETC.
  • [23:37:39] <GenTooMan> An opto coupler is often a photo transistor and an LED. But they can be something else. 2 way communication is possible but you need to switch the LED on each side from being driven to having a trans-impedance amplifier to change the photo current into a signal you can measure.
  • [23:39:10] <GenTooMan> Anyhow you can get a number of relay boards with isolated inputs. Are you using a beagle bone to operate it?
  • [23:39:58] <Moult> GenTooMan: yes, using a beaglebone black
  • [23:40:34] <Moult> GenTooMan: i don't think i want two way communication.
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  • [23:42:41] <Moult> GenTooMan: the power source will always be on relay side will always be separate to the board. we're talking about controlling home appliances which probably run from the mains - 240V here in sydney
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