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  • [00:59:02] <GenTooMan> sigh eve
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  • [01:43:44] <vitprado> hi all
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  • [01:51:24] <k-man> hi vitprado
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  • [02:14:55] <Zoloo> Hello everyone
  • [02:17:05] <Zoloo> I have a one problem what my beaglebone is halted
  • [02:18:05] <Zoloo> I think RAM is full
  • [02:19:21] <Zoloo> It works 4 client code, and communicate to server program every 5 minutes
  • [02:19:43] <Zoloo> What do you say about it?
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  • [02:22:21] <Zoloo> SpeedEvil are you there?
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  • [04:03:08] <TheoMurpse> Hi. I have a BBB that is plugged into a USB port on Windows 8 (also tried on OSX 10.10) after installing drivers. I can't connect to it on 192.168.7.2. However, the power LED is solid and the heartbeat is flashing the heartbeat in a pair of beats, then pause, then a pair of beats, then pause. I don't have one of those super tiny HDMI cables, so I can't connect to a TV to see the BBB screen/terminal. What could be going wrong?
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  • [06:32:26] <Tlin> Hi, I updated my BBB to Debian 8.0 and now I am trying to activate CAN1. I am following this tutorial http://www.embedded-things.com/bbb/enable-canbus-on-the-beaglebone-black/ but I am unable to execute "echo BB-DCAN1 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.*/slots" because there is no "bone_capemgr". How can I install/run bone_capemgr on Debian 8?
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  • [06:48:41] <Tlin> Or is there another way to activate can1 on Debian 8?
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  • [07:30:41] <mrpackethead> any TI Staff here?
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  • [09:40:09] <woglinde> hm is jailhouse running on the bbb https://github.com/siemens/jailhouse?
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  • [09:45:26] <av500> woglinde: my coworker says: its from Siemens, dont touch it!
  • [09:45:56] <LetoThe2nd> i've seen it in action, but the siemens guys are heavily x86 focused in this thing
  • [09:46:12] <av500> does the am335x a8 have virt stuffs?
  • [09:46:26] <LetoThe2nd> my last word from them was that arm support is possible and on the roadmap, but not without VT extensions, e.g. A15
  • [09:46:57] <woglinde> av500 I thought you are the cpu expert
  • [09:47:32] <LetoThe2nd> av500: nope
  • [09:47:56] <LetoThe2nd> woglinde: so in short: "no"
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  • [09:54:55] <philenot1ound> av500: You are Jon Snow?
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  • [11:49:09] <CityLights1> tbr: hi
  • [11:50:06] <tbr> CityLights1: yes?
  • [11:50:19] <CityLights1> hi, I seek some advice
  • [11:50:54] <CityLights1> I wrote a program that will serve access point on the BBB
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  • [11:51:17] <CityLights1> I packaged it so it will be easy to install
  • [11:51:52] <CityLights1> but as I add a new wireless virtual device I add some lines in the /etc/network/interface file
  • [11:52:15] <CityLights1> my question, what is the proper way to add five lines there?
  • [11:53:00] <CityLights1> If I use a patch, then if the user has a different interfaces file then the default, install will fail - right?
  • [11:53:36] <vvu> any link to it CityLights1 ?
  • [11:53:47] <CityLights1> hi vvu
  • [11:54:03] <CityLights1> let me post this file now:
  • [11:55:08] <vvu> okei
  • [11:55:11] <CityLights1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11112426/
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  • [11:55:28] <CityLights1> I am reffering to the last five lines
  • [11:55:41] <CityLights1> so I can append them
  • [11:56:09] <av500> so what is the problem?
  • [11:56:35] <av500> you dont need to patch, you can simply append
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  • [11:56:48] <av500> cat five_lines >> /etc/network/interface
  • [11:57:06] <CityLights1> is this the professional solution?
  • [11:57:15] <CityLights1> I am new to publishing a solution
  • [11:57:23] <CityLights1> at work/home its easier
  • [11:57:43] <av500> I was told I am not professional :)
  • [11:58:05] <CityLights1> I also have a second issue. I want to overwrite the /etc/defualt/hostapd file
  • [11:58:46] <CityLights1> if I add it to my deb file, during install the install fails as it conflicts with the hostapd install
  • [12:00:07] <av500> CityLights1: thats more a question for #debian
  • [12:00:27] <CityLights1> o ok
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  • [12:18:26] <ogra_> CityLights1, not sure debian supports that yet, but /etc/network/interfaces.d/ should work (just put your config snippets in there)
  • [12:18:45] <CityLights1> sweet
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  • [14:11:43] <Posterdati> hi
  • [14:12:40] <Posterdati> please I'm updating using opkg, but seems that it stucks on kernel_dev ipk package, any hints? Thanks
  • [14:13:21] <vvu> update to debian :)
  • [14:13:43] <Posterdati> vvu: shall I change the sd card to a more capable one?
  • [14:13:51] <av500> switch to debian
  • [14:13:53] <vvu> flash debian on it
  • [14:14:27] <Posterdati> shall I take it from debian.org
  • [14:14:28] <Posterdati> ?
  • [14:14:41] <vvu> http://beagleboard.org/latest-images
  • [14:14:46] <vvu> you have here
  • [14:15:15] <Posterdati> ah nice, I will write this image with an sd adapter
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  • [14:16:24] <Posterdati> may I wipe off the windows partition too?
  • [14:16:47] <vvu> use http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/
  • [14:16:52] <vvu> this will do the things for you
  • [14:17:18] <Posterdati> I do not use windows here... I will dd the image on the sd card directly
  • [14:17:28] <vvu> remove everything if so
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  • [14:22:58] <Posterdati> thanks people, I'm going to use an 8GB empty sd card
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  • [14:26:39] <Posterdati> is it possible to expand the installed partition to 8GB?
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  • [14:58:54] <Posterdati> is anyone interested in Common Lisp programming on the beagle board?
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  • [15:06:51] <thurgood_> Posterdati: I'm not sure about expanding a mounted active partition, but if you put the card in a desktop/laptop that can read the partition... yes
  • [15:08:32] <Posterdati> USR1 and USR3 are lit
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  • [15:09:17] <Posterdati> mmmh it seems it's powercycling
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  • [15:17:08] <Posterdati> not working
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  • [15:26:28] <Posterdati> I flashed the .img file with dd and no bs=1m option
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  • [16:51:26] <zmatt> rcn-ee: crap, I had no expected that CAPE(s) would be parsed as formatting syntax in that bug tracker thing :/
  • [16:51:31] <zmatt> *not expected
  • [16:52:19] <zmatt> thurgood_: you can live-expand a mounted ext4 filesystem yes
  • [16:53:28] <thurgood_> cool, if a bit risky
  • [16:53:41] <zmatt> thurgood_: not afaik
  • [16:54:03] <thurgood_> I guess it depends on how it stores the file allocation info
  • [16:54:19] <thurgood_> which I don't know enough about in ext4
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  • [16:55:57] <zmatt> it's common to use when the backing storage uses LVM or is otherwise virtualized
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  • [16:56:49] <zmatt> apparently kernel 3.3 also added online shrinking
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  • [17:41:01] <abhi_> hi
  • [17:42:06] <abhi_> any one is there????
  • [17:43:10] <vagrantc> probably, but usually best to just ask a question and wait patiently
  • [17:43:31] <abhi_> I need a help How to start the work with BeagleBoard-xM ??? and how to install iso image ???
  • [17:45:56] <abhi_> If any videos for installing the os in BeagleBoard-xM just provide me.....
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  • [17:46:50] <abi_> I need a help How to start the work with BeagleBoard-xM ??? and how to install iso image ???
  • [17:47:09] <abi_> If any videos for installing the os in BeagleBoard-xM just provide
  • [17:48:54] <rcn-ee> abi_, what distrubution are you trying to install?
  • [17:52:02] <abi_> Here one problem is it is not going in to boot also ???
  • [17:53:55] <Posterdati> I flashed the debian image on the beaglebone rev. b and it won't work: USR1 and USR3 stay on
  • [17:54:27] <Posterdati> I flashed it on an 8GB sd card
  • [17:54:28] <abi_> And one think is I'm totally new to this BeagleBoard-xM and i want to install the Linux os in this board??
  • [17:55:58] <abi_> Tell me how to the process for this and provide me any guide
  • [17:55:59] <rcn-ee> Posterdati, do you have a usb-serial devie to read the boot log?
  • [17:56:26] <abi_> No
  • [17:57:18] <rcn-ee> abi_, sorry i don't understand, maybe english isn't your native language: ready to go image for the xM: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#BeagleBoard_xM
  • [17:57:54] <Posterdati> rcn-ee: an usb serial adapter...
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  • [17:59:28] <abhi_> sorry no i'm not having
  • [18:00:25] <rcn-ee> Posterdati, if you have one, plug it in and it'll tell you over serial what's actually happening then "USR1 and USR3 stay on.."
  • [18:00:56] <Posterdati> now USR0 and USR1
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  • [18:03:02] <rcn-ee> Posterdati, i know your trying to be helpful, that doesn't actually tell us anything.. ;sorry..
  • [18:03:05] <abi_> ok
  • [18:04:27] <abi_> Can you send me any video for installing process i will go with that one.........
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  • [18:05:05] <Posterdati> rcn-ee: 9600 8n1 ?
  • [18:05:17] <rcn-ee> Posterdati, 115200 8 n1
  • [18:05:57] <rcn-ee> abi_, a video for 3 shell commands? wget file ; uxz file ; dd file... your kidding right?
  • [18:06:10] <thurgood_> abi... do you have a linux distro that you want to install, or are you just looking for anything that will work?
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  • [18:07:29] <Posterdati> rcn-ee: not working
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  • [18:08:42] <thurgood_> Posterdati: you need an ftdi chip in the cable for the bbb
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  • [18:09:51] <Posterdati> Prolific Technology Inc.
  • [18:10:26] <Posterdati> so no debug, good!
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  • [18:12:42] <mistawright> Posterdati, what kind of prolific serial cable are you using? I use one myself at home with no issues
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  • [18:13:26] <Posterdati> mistawright: XURS232_FC
  • [18:14:30] <mistawright> I use one of these guys fine: Prolific Technologies PL2303 but it was recommended on adafruit and few other sites
  • [18:15:40] <mistawright> so rcn-ee I installed the kernel you built yesterday. do i need to edit my uEnv.txt to enable the dtb you mentioned as well?
  • [18:16:17] <mistawright> rcn-ee, I installed the kernel you built yesterday. do i need to edit my uEnv.txt to enable the dtb you mentioned as well?
  • [18:21:25] <Posterdati> mistawright: mine is not working at all
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  • [18:22:15] <Posterdati> mistawright: anyway even the original sd card has a corrupted system, because I tryed to upgrade it and got no space left on device... gantastic
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  • [18:41:08] <Posterdati> nice
  • [18:41:21] <Posterdati> crippled beaglebone...
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  • [18:47:45] <mistawright> ive got one with a borked ethernet port that I would love to use. but it doesnt get passed trying to initialize the ethernet port
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  • [18:48:30] <tbr> mistawright: tried building a kernel without the ethernet driver?
  • [18:48:47] <tbr> or just removing ethernet from the DTB
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  • [18:51:25] <mistawright> tbr, im not able to get the board to the point of booting currently to be able to do anything. Would I need to use an emmc flasher and edit what dtb's it uses?
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  • [18:57:48] <Posterdati> is beaglebone rev. 6 not compatible with debian image on the beagleboard site?
  • [18:58:17] <mistawright> are you using a 4gb or 2gb image
  • [18:58:26] <Posterdati> 4
  • [18:58:36] <mistawright> assuming you are trying to flash the emmc that wont work
  • [18:58:47] <Posterdati> no
  • [18:58:51] <mistawright> booting off of sd i dont believe should be an issue
  • [18:59:04] <Posterdati> I flashed the sd card with another linux box
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  • [19:01:46] <tbr> mistawright: step one, do that with an SD card. step two use the system on the sd to boot, mount the emmc, fix that the same way as SD.
  • [19:02:11] <Posterdati> uh!
  • [19:02:26] <zmatt> lol... "It’s easy to get frustrated when your program has errors. I try not to think of them as errors, though. I try to think of them as the pathetic attempts of a socially inept non-native English speaker (your computer) asking for help."
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  • [19:14:14] <mistawright> tbr, so what you are recommending is that i edit eh am33xx dts and remove the ethernet port and build and use that dtb?
  • [19:15:21] <tbr> mistawright: that would be probably my first attempt, yes
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  • [19:20:52] <zmatt> mistawright: borked in what sense?
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  • [19:22:11] <rcn-ee> zmatt, he has one of those boards that requires the cspw driver to "find" the port used.. the hack we've been using, has issues with the new "overlay" stuff, i need to take a moment and fix it.. (hard kernel crash)
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  • [19:22:31] <zmatt> that's still a problem that puzzles me greatly
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  • [19:23:02] <zmatt> like, the phy address strapping option has 1. internal pull-down in the phy 2. internal pull-down in the am335x 3. external pull-down
  • [19:23:11] <zmatt> how the fuck can the phy ever manage to sample it high
  • [19:23:23] <zmatt> regardless of precise reset timing
  • [19:23:30] <rcn-ee> it's so odd.. the random moving strapping address... it seems to happen more often when booting with microsd..
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  • [19:24:07] <zmatt> in any case, the mdio controller already scans for phy address, and you can reconfigure the strapping options via mdio
  • [19:24:14] <zmatt> so u-boot could easily fix it
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  • [19:24:50] <zmatt> but I'm still wondering what the root cause is here
  • [19:25:20] <rcn-ee> the last guy i was helping started down the u-boot fix route, then he found my kernel patch, and yeah... (losts a chance there..)
  • [19:25:37] <zmatt> kernel shouldn't need any patching
  • [19:25:49] <zmatt> (it could use a rewrite of the cpsw driver, but for other reasons :P )
  • [19:26:09] <rcn-ee> correct. ;) it's caused by butterflies in the upper atmosphere, reflecting photons...
  • [19:26:29] <ds2> maybe that PHY is just plain F'ed?
  • [19:26:41] <zmatt> ds2: that sounds like a reasonable option
  • [19:26:53] <zmatt> but it's also fussy about its power/reset timing, no idea if its constraints are actually met
  • [19:26:57] <ds2> it seems to be a non issue on other PHY's
  • [19:27:09] <zmatt> its reset should have been on a GPIO, not connected to the system reset pin
  • [19:27:29] <ds2> how often do you need to reset a PHY?
  • [19:27:34] <zmatt> normally, never
  • [19:27:38] <zmatt> this phy requires it however
  • [19:27:47] <zmatt> (per datasheet)
  • [19:28:04] <rcn-ee> it is a smsc part, wonder if it's pre / post microchip... and what that means for micrel phy parts..
  • [19:28:25] <zmatt> I'm used to PHYs simply working directly from power-up
  • [19:28:42] <ds2> so putting on a GPIO would seem like a waste
  • [19:28:58] <zmatt> ds2: if you switch to a different PHY...
  • [19:29:02] <ds2> you got route out that line from the nasty BGA and spend time in SW to toggle it...
  • [19:29:08] <ds2> zmatt: :)
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  • [19:29:46] <zmatt> ds2: but hooking it to nreset is also annoying, there's no need to reset the phy if you reboot the system
  • [19:29:49] <zmatt> in fact I'd rather it not
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  • [19:30:17] <zmatt> this will become even more relevant on the x15 which has both ports of the switch subsystem
  • [19:30:30] <ds2> both ports?
  • [19:30:30] <zmatt> then you definitely do _not_ want the phy to be reset during a warm system reset
  • [19:31:07] <zmatt> ds2: yes, many recent SoCs (centaurus, subarctic, aegis, vayu) have an ethernet switch subsystem with two external gigabit ports
  • [19:31:13] <mistawright> zmatt, that when i attempt to boot the board it stops booting when it begins to initialize the ethernet port
  • [19:31:15] <zmatt> beaglebone unfortunately only makes one usable
  • [19:31:33] <zmatt> mistawright: on many distros it has a very long timeout on getting an IP
  • [19:31:48] <zmatt> mistawright: I actually dumped ifupdown and switched to systemd-networkd
  • [19:31:53] <mrpackethead> does anyone else find Ti's E2E to be the most fustrating "support" system
  • [19:31:59] <ds2> zmatt: the AM335x has that
  • [19:32:06] <zmatt> ds2: yes
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  • [19:32:34] <zmatt> ds2: in addition to the ethercat support in the am3359 (which uses different pins however)
  • [19:32:48] <ds2> that's a little different
  • [19:32:59] <zmatt> yes, that goes via the PRUs
  • [19:33:08] <zmatt> the switch subsystem is however autonomous
  • [19:33:31] <rcn-ee> mistawright, 4.1.0-rc3-bone1 has the disabled eMMC/hdmi overlay: am335x-boneblack-overlay.dtb and a very important fix from zmatt, been using it test lcd3/4/7's on the bbb today..
  • [19:33:46] <zmatt> once initialized it can do its job without software looking after it
  • [19:33:56] <zmatt> and even remain operational during warm resets
  • [19:34:23] <ds2> let's do a kickstarter for a BeagleBone/Fixed then :D
  • [19:34:36] <zmatt> (though there's an erratum there which means you do need to "unplug" the internal host port before performing a system reset if you want to use reset isolation)
  • [19:34:47] <zmatt> which is not actually a big burden though
  • [19:35:19] <zmatt> the linux driver makes all this totally unusable though, since the switch driver and host ethernet driver are completely interwoven for no good reason
  • [19:35:31] <zmatt> so it ends up reseting the switch anyway
  • [19:35:46] <zmatt> ditto for the driver in u-boot
  • [19:36:40] <ds2> doesn't this make the USB stuff look better now?
  • [19:36:41] <ds2> :D
  • [19:36:59] <zmatt> but I have a dm814x board with baremetal code where it works fine... switch is initialized during early boot, and the host ethernet driver can be (re)initialized at any later time without affecting the switch
  • [19:37:06] <zmatt> no, since USB is broken in hardware
  • [19:37:08] <zmatt> :P
  • [19:37:30] <ds2> your claim is the ehternet stuff is broken in hw on the BBB ;)
  • [19:37:33] <zmatt> and as a protocol in general
  • [19:38:22] <zmatt> that's choice of PHY and board design... and perhaps more "suboptimal" than "broken" (except for that weird strapping option thing)
  • [19:38:34] <zmatt> I'd still much rather deal with all that than with usb
  • [19:38:56] <zmatt> reading the usb chapter of the TRM makes me want to jump off a cliff
  • [19:40:01] <zmatt> and the problem is that two gigabit ethernet ports obviously take up more space and add to the cost... the idea of the BBB was to make it low-cost, and sacrifices were made
  • [19:41:38] <zmatt> (btw, in general, whatever you do: use MII or RGMII, avoid RMII and GMII
  • [19:41:40] <zmatt> )
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  • [19:46:23] <mistawright> zmatt, the timeout i have definitely noticed. It takes my beaglebone almost a minute or two to boot and connect to wifi
  • [19:46:36] <mistawright> rcn-ee, will check it out now
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  • [19:56:52] <stt_michael> zmatt, I saw all the salient signals are brought out of the am3359 for rgmii for GB eth. Its just the PHY side that would need bodging :)
  • [19:57:23] <stt_michael> zmatt, the difference in cost for the GB lan chip vs the 100mb is insane.
  • [19:57:45] <stt_michael> zmatt, but there could be a good alternative to the uChip one chosen.
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  • [19:59:11] <mrpackethead> stt_michael: what is your definition of insane
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  • [20:07:13] <zmatt> stt_michael: all the signals are there so it would be relatively minor surgery on the pcb design... mainly some extra checking that the more stringent requirements for rgmii are met
  • [20:07:52] <mrpackethead> why do you need gig ethernet?
  • [20:09:34] <mistawright> rcn-ee, with the kernel update should I be able to echo my dtbo into slots?
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  • [20:11:15] <zmatt> mrpackethead: because speedier? tbh I'm not sure I need it, 100 Mbit may be fine. when using the switch subsystem however you'll more likely want Gb ethernet since the ports may be carrying traffic for multiple hosts
  • [20:11:34] <zmatt> but 100 Mbit was probably the right choice for the BBB
  • [20:11:57] <zmatt> especially if the price difference in PHYs is indeed large (I have no idea myself)
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  • [20:12:24] <mrpackethead> why not 10GB
  • [20:12:32] <mrpackethead> lol.
  • [20:12:39] <zmatt> because it's not supported by the am335x
  • [20:12:44] <zmatt> :P
  • [20:12:52] <mrpackethead> then you should replace that too
  • [20:13:07] <mrpackethead> and put a faster one in.
  • [20:13:16] <_av500_> zmatt: there was some hw issue with gigE on the BBB
  • [20:13:19] <mrpackethead> and more storage and more memory while your at it.
  • [20:13:26] <_av500_> see the mailinmg list for geralds explanation
  • [20:13:29] <rcn-ee> mistawright, haven't figured that out yet..
  • [20:13:30] <zmatt> _av500_: external reference clock may be needed
  • [20:13:36] <_av500_> i forgot
  • [20:13:39] <_av500_> whatever it was
  • [20:13:52] <_av500_> it did not justifiy the expense for a $45 hobby board
  • [20:14:09] <zmatt> they hooked up the internal reference clock to the core PLL, which is not a low-jitter PLL
  • [20:14:27] <zmatt> in particular, it doesn't have sufficiently low jitter for anything but MII
  • [20:14:56] <_av500_> as said, it does not matter
  • [20:15:05] <_av500_> I see now point in gigE on the BBB
  • [20:15:17] <_av500_> what what you do with all the data anyway?
  • [20:15:19] <zmatt> I agree
  • [20:15:26] <_av500_> pipe it to /dev/null faster?
  • [20:15:32] <zmatt> yeah!
  • [20:15:44] <_av500_> its like blinking the cursor faster
  • [20:15:50] <_av500_> impressive :)
  • [20:18:21] <zmatt> there are other boards with an am335x anyway, if you're willing to spend a bit more... like this thing => http://www.ti.com/tool/tmdssk3358
  • [20:18:27] <_av500_> sure
  • [20:18:40] <_av500_> but now that $9 is the new benchmark ....
  • [20:18:57] <zmatt> what's $9 ?
  • [20:19:03] <_av500_> a computer
  • [20:19:05] <_av500_> THE computer
  • [20:19:12] <_av500_> you live under a rock?
  • [20:19:17] <zmatt> mostly yes
  • [20:19:20] <_av500_> ah
  • [20:19:32] <_av500_> google "$9 computer" :)
  • [20:20:27] <mrpackethead> a pic10f is cheaper than that, abou $0.80
  • [20:20:34] <zmatt> rpi based? no thx
  • [20:20:35] <mrpackethead> and a low end MSP430 is sub $1
  • [20:21:06] <_av500_> mrpackethead: stm32f030 is 50¢ :)
  • [20:21:26] <_av500_> zmatt: rpi? mo
  • [20:21:27] <_av500_> no
  • [20:21:51] <_av500_> http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/05/11/9-computer-killing-it-on-kickstarter/27129135/
  • [20:22:02] <zmatt> "CHIP, a Raspberry Pi-based motherboard"
  • [20:22:15] <_av500_> its not pi based
  • [20:22:20] <Humpelstilzchen> allwinner...
  • [20:22:23] <zmatt> that's what your link said
  • [20:22:24] <_av500_> stupid journalists are stupid
  • [20:22:24] <mrpackethead> wow, they are doing well
  • [20:22:27] <zmatt> ah
  • [20:22:48] <mrpackethead> good luck to them
  • [20:22:55] <_av500_> yup
  • [20:23:09] <mrpackethead> will transform their life.
  • [20:23:19] <_av500_> handling all that money for 0 margin must be fun
  • [20:23:53] <mrpackethead> you are assuming it is $0
  • [20:23:55] <mrpackethead> margin
  • [20:24:09] <zmatt> so then you have a $9 computer which is actually useless unless you spend much more money than that on external stuff
  • [20:24:25] <zmatt> but we'll see :P
  • [20:24:37] <_av500_> zmatt: the average backer is spending $50
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  • [20:24:45] <_av500_> psych 101 at work
  • [20:25:08] <_av500_> mrpackethead: even if they take home 20%, is that worth it?
  • [20:25:21] <_av500_> with full risk
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  • [20:25:24] <mrpackethead> without knowing al the numbers, you just dont' know.
  • [20:25:35] <_av500_> I know some of the numbers
  • [20:27:57] <mrpackethead> I've thought ( not so seriously ) about running a KS project
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  • [20:28:29] <_av500_> go for izt
  • [20:28:32] <_av500_> its a sellers market
  • [20:28:50] <_av500_> do it like pebble, use it get garanteed preorders
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  • [20:30:25] <_av500_> and if you feel like it, halfway through blame some supplier and fail to deliver
  • [20:30:38] <_av500_> thats the "risk" in the boilerplate
  • [20:30:49] <_av500_> that everybody signed off on
  • [20:31:01] <_av500_> brillant
  • [20:31:16] <mrpackethead> i'd only actually go to sell somethign i had finished.
  • [20:32:01] <_av500_> yes
  • [20:32:24] <zmatt> mrpackethead: the approach suggested by _av500_ works better if you first have your sense of ethics surgically removed
  • [20:32:29] <_av500_> free publicity and no-risk preorders
  • [20:32:41] <_av500_> zmatt: lets say thats optional
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  • [20:33:37] <mrpackethead> Risk#1. I am using TI parts, and there is no real documentation
  • [20:33:38] <_av500_> zmatt: I like the ks idea for people that produce stuff like comic books or music
  • [20:33:52] <_av500_> for HW projects, not so much
  • [20:34:15] <_av500_> mrpackethead: :)
  • [20:34:27] <_av500_> risk #1: MUSB
  • [20:34:28] <zmatt> mrpackethead: lol waht
  • [20:34:44] <zmatt> TI is about the only SoC vendor who publishes real docs
  • [20:35:01] <zmatt> although allwinner seems to be doing okayish now
  • [20:35:10] <_av500_> lolwat?
  • [20:35:16] <zmatt> broadcom.. ehm... *chuckles*
  • [20:35:49] <_av500_> the difference is, BCM has data sheets
  • [20:35:55] <_av500_> not so sure AW has some at al
  • [20:36:27] <zmatt> _av500_: they have 'em... not available, but I suspect they do exist yes
  • [20:36:32] <zmatt> possibly
  • [20:36:39] <_av500_> maybe
  • [20:37:00] <zmatt> GvL seems to have access to some
  • [20:37:04] <_av500_> we neve got them from AW or RK
  • [20:37:09] <_av500_> and we worked damn close with them
  • [20:37:22] <zmatt> RK ?
  • [20:37:27] <_av500_> rockchip
  • [20:37:53] <zmatt> ah
  • [20:38:07] <_av500_> sure they have docs that name registers and bits in them
  • [20:38:13] <_av500_> but that seems about all
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  • [20:38:25] <zmatt> yeah I can complain plenty about TI docs, but I still know they're epicly awesome compared to the other guys
  • [20:38:27] <_av500_> its not like a TI TRM
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  • [20:38:42] <_av500_> TI docs are good
  • [20:38:59] <zmatt> the am335x docs actually sub-par compared to various other SoCs
  • [20:39:10] <zmatt> am335x in general seems to have been done in a hurry or something
  • [20:39:34] <_av500_> I guess TI has more ppl doc writing than AW chip designing
  • [20:39:37] <mrpackethead> yeah, i just dont' like E2E
  • [20:39:50] <zmatt> mrpackethead: I do have custom CSS rules that make it a bit more bearable
  • [20:40:05] <zmatt> (since the site layout change)
  • [20:40:34] <mrpackethead> Custom CSS rules?
  • [20:40:38] <mrpackethead> As in ??
  • [20:40:44] <_av500_> mrpackethead: html
  • [20:41:01] <mrpackethead> for using E2E?
  • [20:41:04] <zmatt> _av500_: I often consult the docs of related SoCs for more info... but that does require having a some intuitive feeling which parts are applicable and which aren't
  • [20:41:58] <zmatt> mrpackethead: as in https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/user-css/okpjlejfhacmgjkmknjhadmkdbcldfcb
  • [20:42:14] <mrpackethead> I just dont' like the fact that the only way you can get in support, is to ask in an open forum
  • [20:42:43] <zmatt> mrpackethead: that's definitely not the only way, but it is if you're not a sufficiently big customer
  • [20:42:45] <mrpackethead> and then you get somone answering who actually is only intent on closign teh thread and not answering the question
  • [20:43:00] <zmatt> hmm, that seems to vary
  • [20:43:11] <mrpackethead> i only seem to spend $40-50k each month with TI
  • [20:43:19] <mrpackethead> so its probalby not big enough to get them too excited.
  • [20:43:36] <zmatt> there seem to be some decently knowledgable people in the Sitara forum
  • [20:43:45] <mrpackethead> the items that i buy, you dont' have to program
  • [20:43:46] <mrpackethead> :-(
  • [20:43:57] <zmatt> otoh the DM814x support guys are... well-intentioned
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  • [20:44:01] <zmatt> but that's about it
  • [20:44:03] <zmatt> :/
  • [20:44:42] <zmatt> like... http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/325/934/060.png
  • [20:44:53] <_av500_> lol
  • [20:46:45] <zmatt> so it's not like I can get angry with them... they don't seem to have access to decent resources themselves
  • [20:47:39] <zmatt> (not that it matters now that our dm814x board has been indefinitely shelved)
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  • [21:10:03] <zmatt> rcn-ee: any idea if the first x15 boards will have experimental cpu versions? (like the one on the elinux pictures)
  • [21:10:03] <zmatt> *first released
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  • [21:10:20] <zmatt> since the chip pictured most likely has the whole feature set, including EVEs and stuff
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  • [21:11:17] <rcn-ee> zmatt, well the first alpha board, said 'am57xyz', not the usual, 'xamxxx'..
  • [21:11:27] <rcn-ee> but now they glued a heatsink to it..
  • [21:11:54] <zmatt> ah, too bad
  • [21:12:41] <zmatt> the photo still showed an x5777
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  • [21:12:57] <zmatt> (http://elinux.org/File:X15_TOP_SIDE.jpg )
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  • [21:14:13] <zmatt> the whole "AM" designation makes no sense to me anyway, based on feature set it should have been a DM
  • [21:14:46] <Posterdati> usb over ethernet stop working, great!
  • [21:15:05] <rcn-ee> zmatt, which should have just been omapxyz ;)
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  • [21:15:28] <rcn-ee> silly marketting..
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  • [21:16:04] <zmatt> well omap = dead, also I'm not sure how much sense Vayu makes as an omap
  • [21:16:12] <zmatt> even though it's clearly omap5-derived
  • [21:16:54] <rcn-ee> it only died because of marketting decided to spin it out as "sitara" and the "amXyz.."
  • [21:17:13] <zmatt> well no, the omap division has been killed off a while ago already
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  • [21:17:26] <zmatt> also, the am572x is the light-version of the cpu
  • [21:17:45] <rcn-ee> so with omapconf: DRA75X ES1.1 GP Device (STANDARD performance (1.0GHz))
  • [21:18:16] <zmatt> yeah, dra75x/dra74x are other partcodes for Vayu
  • [21:18:25] <rcn-ee> it's running 1.5Ghz.. so ignore that last spot. .;)
  • [21:18:38] <zmatt> the real ones are tda2x though
  • [21:18:46] <zmatt> like if all the EVEs pass factory test
  • [21:19:03] <zmatt> it's designed for ADAS
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  • [21:19:10] <Posterdati> please, how can I setup ethernet over usb on beagle bone rev. 6?
  • [21:19:17] <Posterdati> please, how can I setup ethernet over usb on beagle bone rev. B?
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  • [21:21:10] <rcn-ee> Posterdati, it's amazing what you can find on this new thing called google!!! https://askubuntu.com/questions/380810/internet-over-usb-on-beaglebone-black
  • [21:21:43] <rcn-ee> i think google's going to get big someday.. just watch..
  • [21:21:43] <Posterdati> rcn-ee: this post won't work
  • [21:21:51] <rcn-ee> Posterdati, why not?
  • [21:22:06] <Posterdati> ifconfig usb0 192.168.7.2
  • [21:22:11] <Posterdati> ifconfig: SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
  • [21:22:21] <Posterdati> uname -a
  • [21:22:32] <Posterdati> Linux beaglebone 3.2.42 #1 Thu Mar 28 11:28:20 CET 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux
  • [21:22:44] <rcn-ee> ahh 3.2.x good luck with that!
  • [21:22:52] <rcn-ee> your on your own now..
  • [21:23:02] <rcn-ee> http://beagleboard.org/latest-images
  • [21:23:35] <Posterdati> what?!?! This is crazy! I just did opkg upgrade to upgrade old packages
  • [21:24:07] <rcn-ee> bb.org hasn't had an Angstrom maintainer for almost 1.5 years...
  • [21:24:16] <Posterdati> anyway
  • [21:24:40] <Posterdati> I flashed a debian too from that page and it won't work either
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  • [21:25:10] <rcn-ee> "won't work" please pastebin.com your serial bootlog..
  • [21:25:19] <Posterdati> no serial bootlog
  • [21:25:38] <rcn-ee> okay, so how did you "flash" your microSD card?
  • [21:25:57] <veremit> opkg rofl
  • [21:25:57] <rcn-ee> dd? etc?
  • [21:26:08] <veremit> apt-get I suggest
  • [21:26:16] <Posterdati> downloaded that image, xz -d ... dd if=file.img of=/dev/sde bs=1M
  • [21:26:32] <rcn-ee> veremit, do you know where that got's picture with stark "one doesn't upgrade angstrom"..
  • [21:26:42] <zmatt> rcn-ee: I stumbled across something curious btw: the control module has DDR PHY registers for 5 data macros... suggesting at one point in the design its memory bus was 32-bit + ECC
  • [21:27:01] <zmatt> one of many things that got axed in an effort to make it smaller/cheaper I guess
  • [21:27:05] <veremit> rcn-ee .. alas no. I feel deprived lol
  • [21:27:45] <Posterdati> rcn-ee: the board boots, led went all on and then only USR1 and USR3
  • [21:28:09] <rcn-ee> usr1/usr3 is cpu and mmc, so what's the issue?
  • [21:28:30] <zmatt> sounds like the flasher in action?
  • [21:28:33] <rcn-ee> plug in serial, log in..
  • [21:28:45] <rcn-ee> he's got the bone, so no eMMC. ;)
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  • [21:28:49] <zmatt> ah
  • [21:29:27] <rcn-ee> and i think the flasher 'should' shutdown... with the bone white... never bothered to check it..
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  • [21:30:28] <Posterdati> ok
  • [21:30:32] <Posterdati> I've got the console
  • [21:30:39] <Posterdati> uboot seems to boot the kernel
  • [21:30:48] <Posterdati> Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.
  • [21:30:55] <Posterdati> and then reboot
  • [21:31:27] <rcn-ee> what was the exact file name you flashed to the microSD?
  • [21:31:48] <Posterdati> bone-debian-7.8-lxde-4gb-armhf-2015-03-01-4gb.img
  • [21:32:55] <Posterdati> dd if=bone-debian-7.8-lxde-4gb-armhf-2015-03-01-4gb.img of=/dev/sde bs=1M
  • [21:33:26] <veremit> . && sync
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  • [21:34:24] <bahar_> hello
  • [21:34:29] <rcn-ee> okay, dd'ing a card, 5mins/GB.. ;)
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  • [21:34:46] <zmatt> isn't cat likely to be faster?
  • [21:34:53] <zmatt> or at least a bigger blocksize
  • [21:34:57] <Posterdati> veremit: never used sync on dd images
  • [21:35:27] <bahar_> anyone know when the new beagleboard X15 will come out?
  • [21:35:40] <rcn-ee> the day after it's ready.
  • [21:36:59] <bahar_> I only ask because http://www.reddit.com/r/BeagleBone/comments/2sfd4e/new_beagleboardx15_due_out_february_dualcore_2g/ mentions it was to be out a couple months ago, so I'm curious if there are updates
  • [21:37:05] <zmatt> I think the last estimate I saw was june?
  • [21:37:10] <zmatt> check the forum thread
  • [21:37:54] * veremit checks the calendar. Yup, still May .. *phew*
  • [21:38:28] <rcn-ee> bahar, it 'was', then i accidentlly reported a failure to software reset problem to ti, then they went down that nasty rabbit hole.. (pmic, core, etc..)
  • [21:39:15] <Posterdati> rcn-ee: I see you created a debian 8 image
  • [21:39:16] <rcn-ee> plus it was their first "22nm" process...
  • [21:39:52] <zmatt> rcn-ee: so YOU did this!!! ;)
  • [21:39:53] <Posterdati> rcn-ee: could be a wrong uEnv.txt file?
  • [21:40:15] <rcn-ee> did I? no... the omap5 board in my basement did it.. not me...
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  • [21:41:04] <zmatt> you buried it in your basement? note to self: don't make rcn-ee angry
  • [21:41:16] <rcn-ee> Posterdati, uEnv.txt doesn't matter on the original BeagleBone... Now if you have a Beaglebone Black, uEnv.txt could be an issue..
  • [21:41:32] <rcn-ee> it's locked in a box, don't want those omap5's getting lose...
  • [21:42:51] <Posterdati> ok, so shall I buy a raspberry-pi?
  • [21:42:52] <veremit> down in the dungeon .. mwhahaha
  • [21:42:59] <veremit> a What?
  • [21:43:42] <rcn-ee> Posterdati, just verifing the image here on my bone classic, it takes around 5mins per GB, so another 10 minutes... yayayayay..
  • [21:44:02] <Posterdati> ok thanks
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  • [21:45:56] <rcn-ee> little odd it being a B/6... There's usually a stick on the eth,, BeagleBone Rev: (value)...
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  • [21:46:47] <zmatt> ARGH, just packed my stuff, ready to catch last train... did a quick check online, it's delayed and will arrive too late to make the last connection -.-
  • [21:47:21] <thurgood_> eek that blows
  • [21:47:25] <veremit> w00 public transportatoin ;D
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  • [21:47:33] <thurgood_> maybe your connection will be late too
  • [21:47:40] <zmatt> thurgood_: very unlikely
  • [21:47:48] <thurgood_> ;/
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  • [21:50:45] <rcn-ee> Posterdati, wonders if your "B" is the new classic BeagleBone with black's am3358 (es2.x)..
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  • [21:52:23] <Posterdati> yes AM3358B
  • [21:53:01] <zmatt> didn't know there were BBWs with an am3358b/c
  • [21:53:28] <rcn-ee> CircuitCo used up their reserver of ES1.x am3359's.. ;)
  • [21:53:42] <zmatt> ah
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  • [21:54:15] <Posterdati> on the back of the box there's "Circuitco"
  • [21:54:17] <rcn-ee> Posterdati, when and where did you get this board? (we don't have stock, so i'm trying to figure where to grab one.)
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  • [21:54:51] <rcn-ee> ah crap.. this usb 3.0 controller crapped out again.. startting dd on another box...
  • [21:54:52] <Posterdati> rcn-ee: was a mouser board almos 11 months ago
  • [21:54:52] <bahar_> rcn-ee - i'm interested in hearing more about that... got a link or...?
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  • [21:59:20] <rcn-ee> Posterdati, https://paste.debian.net/176563/
  • [21:59:56] <rcn-ee> bahar, sorry no link... some of it is on the x15-beagle mailing list, the rest was over the phone.. ;)
  • [22:00:14] <Posterdati> rcn-ee: so?
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  • [22:01:12] <Posterdati> what is the problem then?
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  • [22:01:31] <rcn-ee> the image looks fine here, mouser doesn't have stock, (so can't test one of theirs..) i'd say reflash the microSD, otherwise you should see exactly what i showed on that paste.debian.net link..
  • [22:02:04] <Posterdati> rcn-ee: this is the third time I will reflash it, I think without success
  • [22:02:14] <rcn-ee> different microSD card?
  • [22:02:23] <rcn-ee> use a different power supply?
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  • [22:04:07] <Posterdati> rcn-ee: different ps same problem
  • [22:04:48] <ds2> *yawn*
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  • [22:05:16] <rcn-ee> okay'd i give this console image a try: (it's 3.14.x vs 3.8.x) if that still fails rma it.. : http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#Jessie_Snapshot_console
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  • [22:05:55] <Posterdati> you uEnv.txt has got a different size from my
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  • [22:06:56] <Posterdati> rcn-ee: could you post it please?
  • [22:08:03] <rcn-ee> http://paste.debian.net/176564/
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  • [22:10:37] <Posterdati> same crap
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  • [22:11:57] <Posterdati> nice I burnt 71 euros!
  • [22:12:50] <thurgood_> rma it...
  • [22:12:55] <rcn-ee> just rma it.. circuitco is quick..
  • [22:13:08] <Posterdati> and spent other money on it?
  • [22:13:12] <thurgood_> they'll make it good, you'll just burn some shipping
  • [22:13:44] <Posterdati> the board worked with their sd card
  • [22:14:20] <rcn-ee> yet it fails with the factory image on: http://beagleboard.org/latest-images
  • [22:14:27] <thurgood_> wait 70? are you using a white or a black?
  • [22:14:39] <zmatt> white
  • [22:14:40] <rcn-ee> yeah the white costs that much..
  • [22:14:55] <thurgood_> ah.. I thought it was black previously
  • [22:14:56] <rcn-ee> (it was before that rasberry pi came out)
  • [22:15:08] <Posterdati> it is a white board
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  • [22:16:28] <thurgood_> what happened to the original card?
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  • [22:16:59] <Posterdati> anyway this forces me to choose mips card
  • [22:19:44] <Posterdati> I need a nice board to deploy a small project on it in less than one month and I haven't got time for this... So texas and beaglebone won't be my next choose
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  • [22:22:54] <Posterdati> I must say that ti gave me always problems :) never been lucky with that
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  • [22:38:51] <Posterdati> reflashed... not working
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  • [22:49:00] <Posterdati> the jessie distro seems to work! LOL
  • [22:49:12] <Posterdati> Error: Driver 'tfp410' is already registered, aborting...
  • [22:50:10] <Posterdati> it stucks in this error
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  • [22:56:33] <Posterdati> another crap board
  • [23:01:07] <Posterdati> basically they stole me 71 euros
  • [23:01:23] <ds2> if I haven't said it before, I HATE VIM
  • [23:04:14] <Posterdati> I hope ti to fail with pain
  • [23:04:16] <Posterdati> :) lol
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  • [23:08:35] <zmatt> ds2: vim <3
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