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  • [04:54:03] <PDogJr> is it possible to log in as root user on the prebuilt 14.04.2 image?
  • [04:55:13] <PDogJr> the only information I see is username: ubuntu, password: temppwd, and I'm guessing "ubuntu" is in the list of sudoers, but it seems like of silly that I can't even log in as root on my own server
  • [04:55:58] <av500> change the password?
  • [04:56:18] <veremit> ie sudo su, and passwd root :p
  • [04:56:18] <PDogJr> how can I change root's password if I don't have it to begin with?
  • [04:56:25] <veremit> its most likely unset
  • [04:56:36] <PDogJr> I tried an empty password, doesn't work
  • [04:56:45] <veremit> uhm. no.
  • [04:56:49] <veremit> empty != unset
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  • [04:57:25] <vagrantc> PDogJr: just use sudo to set the password.
  • [04:58:29] <PDogJr> that's a good idea, I am extremely dumb for not realizing I could do that if I am already a sudoer
  • [04:58:30] <PDogJr> thank you
  • [04:58:36] <vagrantc> it's personal preference and all, but there's not really much reason to log in as root rather than use sudo...
  • [04:59:04] <vagrantc> and there are a few good reasons to not allow logins as root
  • [04:59:22] <PDogJr> I don't log in as root, I just wanted to secure my sever and make sure there wasn't some password already set that I wasn't aware of, but of course I can change the root password anyway as the "ubuntu" user
  • [05:00:43] <PDogJr> also has anyone tried running arch? I updated, rebooted my beaglebone, and ssh stopped working after that
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  • [15:17:13] <Akex_> Hy all there are a chanel fr for beaglebone board please?
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  • [15:20:54] <Blumax> BeagleBot ?
  • [15:20:56] <Blumax> BeagleBot
  • [15:21:06] <Blumax> Sa parle quel langue ici ?
  • [15:22:36] <tverrbjelke_> I (just starting) would like to create a analog input sampling on my bbb. Looking for example applicatiopns / software. I found teh document (pdf) "am3359" and there Table 2-8 ADC signals description. Must I try to understand the whole doc or is there some more introductional way?
  • [15:23:08] <Blumax> Akex_, il s'en foute de ta question ^^
  • [15:25:30] <Akex_> Aparement ;)
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  • [15:26:20] <Akex_> Hy all , there are a french chanel for beaglebonne please ?
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  • [16:03:48] <chloe> hi
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  • [16:13:49] <chloe> hi
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  • [16:16:01] <Akex_> Hi chloe
  • [16:16:21] <chloe> add me(L):D:D
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  • [16:37:25] <James_Johnson> member:tverrbjelke_ have you seen this? http://beaglebone.cameon.net/home/reading-the-analog-inputs-adc
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  • [16:54:10] <chloe> hi
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  • [16:54:40] <stt_michael> hello?
  • [16:54:44] <chloe> Hi
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  • [16:55:21] <chloe> ho
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  • [16:57:50] <GenTooMan> chloe is a bot
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  • [16:58:11] <pearl_> oh
  • [16:58:43] <chloe> you fug
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  • [16:59:48] <GenTooMan> It's a Java application running on someones virgin mobile phone to be precise.
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  • [17:00:46] <stt_michael> hacked?
  • [17:00:47] <stt_michael> lol
  • [17:01:12] * GenTooMan finds that stuff very annoying.
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  • [17:17:37] <chloe> hi
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  • [17:18:21] <chloe> hi
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  • [17:19:49] <chloe> how
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  • [17:30:47] <MattRichardson> hi
  • [17:31:14] <MattRichardson> hi
  • [17:31:20] <MattRichardson> hi
  • [17:31:28] <Akex_> Hi MattRichardson
  • [17:32:07] <MattRichardson> am facing problem in getting debug uart console in beaglebone black
  • [17:32:27] <MattRichardson> sorry it is beaglebone white rev a6
  • [17:32:56] <MattRichardson> I figured out some how uart1 cabbot be used as debug port
  • [17:33:30] <MattRichardson> can uart 2 or uart4 can be used as debug port in beaglebone white?
  • [17:34:12] <stt_michael> just reconfigure uboot
  • [17:34:42] <stt_michael> I did it for the black, and other platforms .. there should be something in the uboot config which specifies which uart to use
  • [17:34:56] <stt_michael> scratch that .. not for the Black, just for the Wandboard I had
  • [17:35:02] <stt_michael> but the principle is the same.
  • [17:35:33] <stt_michael> you may need to add some config parameters to specify the address/pin code for the other/new uart, but its not hard
  • [17:36:47] <thurgood_> I thought the white used the otg port with an ftdi driver for debug
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  • [17:37:24] <stt_michael> Oh.
  • [17:37:36] <stt_michael> Well, there is that .. then different game altogether :D
  • [17:37:53] <MattRichardson> If i reconfigure uboot for uart2 or uart4 does it works straight forward ie., pin muxing for uart2 or uart4 & chnages for SERIAL4,CONS_INDEX=4
  • [17:37:58] <MattRichardson> ??
  • [17:38:17] <stt_michael> depends what defaults are :)
  • [17:38:30] <stt_michael> ok I gotta split .. bbl. good luck
  • [17:38:44] <tverrbjelke_> member:James_Johnson thx, this is exactly the kind of info I am looking for. What makes we additional thoughts is, that "am3359".pdf was telling me that I also have to att tyüpical 10nF externally between VDDA_ADC and VSSA_ADC (they name that capacitor CVDDA_ADC). But they don't mention that on cameon.net ... Do I misunderstand basic stuff?
  • [17:38:45] <MattRichardson> should I connect the power cable along with mini usb cable?
  • [17:39:11] <MattRichardson> to get the console?
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  • [17:40:42] <MattRichardson> could anybody pls share any link pls, debug port along using ftdi driver
  • [17:40:47] <MattRichardson> ?
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  • [17:41:54] <thurgood_> wish I knew more MattRichardson
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  • [17:43:24] <thurgood_> http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP.htm
  • [17:43:38] <thurgood_> http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/latest/README.htm
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  • [17:45:19] <thurgood_> hmm, that's looks like it might be mostly black rrelated
  • [17:48:14] <James_Johnson> MattRichardson are you using a BB white or black?
  • [17:48:29] <MattRichardson> bb white
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  • [17:49:38] <James_Johnson> MattRichardson It’s been a while since I used a BB white but I’m almost positive I just used a USB cable and it both powered the unit and got me the console
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  • [17:52:08] <thurgood_> yeah, but you need the drivers for ftdi if on windows/mac... linux already should have them
  • [17:52:33] <James_Johnson> well yeah
  • [17:53:37] <James_Johnson> sorry, wasn’t sure what the question was exactly
  • [17:54:51] <thurgood_> I think the first link I posted is good for drivers, but have no way of testing
  • [17:55:16] <thurgood_> James_Johnson: it helps confirm, no reason to be sorry :)
  • [17:55:22] <MattRichardson> should I even connect the power adapter along with mini usb cable or just connect only the mini usb cable for powering & as well as getting console?
  • [17:55:34] <James_Johnson> either will work
  • [17:56:27] <MattRichardson> sorry for my poor understaning
  • [17:56:47] <MattRichardson> should I connect both or only mini usb is enough?
  • [17:57:00] <James_Johnson> only mini usb is enough
  • [17:57:03] <MattRichardson> sudo modprobe ftdi_sio vendor=0x0403 product=0xa6d0?
  • [17:57:29] <MattRichardson> does this driver helps me getting console in linux , after connect mini usb cable?
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  • [19:22:08] <talin> hello. is it safe to apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade the debian release on bbb?
  • [19:30:30] <agmlego|skynet> Why would it not be?
  • [19:30:36] <agmlego|skynet> ALso, define: safe
  • [19:31:03] <talin> like it doesn't mess up e.g. a webserver installation i have running
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  • [19:40:36] <agmlego|skynet> talin: So long as you pay attention to whatg it is updating, and make sure that the new versions of things relevant to your task do not change from your current setup, you should be fine.
  • [19:40:47] <talin> thank you
  • [19:40:48] <agmlego|skynet> talin: Basically, same thing you do whenever you update anything.
  • [19:40:57] <talin> alright. so it's like a regular debian
  • [19:40:59] <agmlego|skynet> Read the changelogs.
  • [19:41:09] <agmlego|skynet> talin: Debian is debian is debian.
  • [19:41:21] <talin> right after i installed it, i configured some stuff and then did an upgrade and tons of stuff related to encodings got messed up
  • [19:41:31] <talin> never seen that on debian elsewhere, that's why i'm asking
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  • [19:42:18] <rcn-ee> talin, we tag the kernel, so a normal "apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade" won't force a kernel update.... So you just get userspace updatse..
  • [19:42:43] <talin> oh, okay. must have been some strange mishap :)
  • [19:43:23] <idwer> looks like this image, bone-debian-7.8-lxde-4gb-armhf-2015-03-01-4gb.img.xz, doesn't ship scripts/tools/eMMC/init-eMMC-flasher-v3.sh
  • [19:43:37] <idwer> is it found on media created with BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.8-lxde-4gb-armhf-2015-03-01-4gb.img.xz?
  • [19:43:39] <agmlego|skynet> talin: It was probabloy in the changelogs that "encodings will get messed up". ;-P
  • [19:43:54] <talin> agmlego|skynet: yeah :)
  • [19:44:11] <rcn-ee> idwer: ? it's under /opt/scripts/.... but it's not enabled by default.. as the word "eMMC-flasher" isn't in the name..
  • [19:44:31] <rcn-ee> talin, http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#Flashing_eMMC
  • [19:44:57] <rcn-ee> sorry, meant that for idwer..
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  • [19:46:08] <idwer> rcn-ee: what was I looking for again.. ah yes: <rcn-ee> idwer, just factory reflash the eMMC...
  • [19:46:53] <azv4> if I plug an Arudino Mega2560 into a BBB running linux, will the BBB pick the Arudino up and load drivers?
  • [19:47:00] <agmlego|skynet> Yes.
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  • [19:47:03] <rcn-ee> idwer, all release images flashers/non-flashers/consoles: http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#2015-03-01
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  • [19:47:37] <rcn-ee> There's 5 of them, depending on which model you have and what you want to do with it.
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  • [19:50:14] <idwer> I would just leave the emmc unused/empty, if that is possible
  • [19:51:19] <veremit> solder a wire across the Boot switch then.
  • [19:52:01] <idwer> why? fedora can boot with an empty emmc
  • [19:52:19] <veremit> yeah fedora will be fine .. the am335x won't ;)
  • [19:53:05] <veremit> it don't have a bios remember, you can't just F12 it :P
  • [19:54:36] <veremit> pretty sure even if you zero-out the eMMC the processor looks at that SDIO interface first
  • [19:54:51] <veremit> Unless you press/bridge the boot switch. That's how I understood it anyhow
  • [19:56:50] <rob_w> if there is no valid bootloader found it will skip and try the next device
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  • [19:57:27] <rob_w> so if you remove the mlo on the emmc it will be skipped
  • [19:58:57] <rcn-ee> the new factory version, mlo's dd'ed to the mbr, so you need to clear that out vs, removing the mlo..
  • [19:58:57] <veremit> hmm so there is some form of fall-back
  • [19:59:40] <veremit> rcn - dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=512 count=10
  • [19:59:55] <rcn-ee> correcto..
  • [20:00:09] <veremit> that is "zero'ing out" the emmc :)
  • [20:00:48] <rob_w> do the "new versions" dont use filesystem based mlo`s anymore ?
  • [20:00:53] <rcn-ee> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0 count=1 seek=1 bs=128k
  • [20:01:32] <rcn-ee> rob_w, correct, to many new users where accidenetly deleting mlo/u-boot.img from the fat partition in windows... so we moved them..
  • [20:02:12] <rob_w> rather sad
  • [20:02:21] <mistawright> is there anyway to get a beaglebone black with a bad ethernet port to boot normally?
  • [20:02:39] <rob_w> i was scared that new versions dont support fs boots anymore
  • [20:03:22] <rob_w> for some reason the spec pdf actually say that they dont support fs boots from emmc, but the bbb and others proove that wrong
  • [20:03:28] <rcn-ee> they still do... and even more methods... http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:U-boot_partitioning_layout_2.0
  • [20:04:06] <rcn-ee> in mainline u-boot, ext boot with MLO also works... the bootrom spec doesn't mention that. ;)
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  • [21:06:16] <idwer> hm, no armhf packages found in jessy/ .. or am I blind
  • [21:07:03] <idwer> right. jessie
  • [21:09:08] <rcn-ee> idwer, ?
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  • [21:09:26] <idwer> rcn-ee: typo on my side
  • [21:16:16] <idwer> rcn-ee: I'm looking for kernel 4 (to turn a bbb into a debug device http://www.coreboot.org/EHCI_Debug_Port#DIY_.2F_BeagleBone_Black ) is it in stretch? sid?
  • [21:17:09] <rcn-ee> idwer, that kernel module is enabled accros the board...
  • [21:17:16] <rcn-ee> first what version are you running? uname -r?
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  • [21:18:24] <idwer> rcn-ee: 3.8.13-bone70
  • [21:18:31] <idwer> ERROR: could not insert 'g_dbgp': No such device
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  • [21:20:40] <rcn-ee> idwer, works here: https://paste.debian.net/171649/
  • [21:20:56] <rcn-ee> first make sure g_multi/g_ether is loaded via, lsmod...
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  • [21:21:59] <rcn-ee> if either, g_multi/g_ether is loaded, disable the modprobe line in: /opt/scripts/boot/am335x_evm.sh
  • [21:22:36] <rcn-ee> https://github.com/RobertCNelson/boot-scripts/blob/master/boot/am335x_evm.sh#L93
  • [21:22:56] <idwer> ah, had to rmmod g_ether
  • [21:23:02] <idwer> :)
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  • [21:27:37] <foundatron> I've been pouring through omap-image-builder figure out how to make custom images. Most of it's pretty clear, but I'm a bit confused on how to copy files into the chroot(?)
  • [21:27:37] <foundatron> I would like to install a python package I'm been working on locally, so while making the image I would like to copy the tarball into the chroot, and install in a normal way with pip. I see in the target/chroot scripts where python packages are installed via pypi. Can these scripts access files outside of the chroot file system? If not where in the process could I add a command to copy a tar file over to the chroot?
  • [21:28:34] <foundatron> I'm assuming that filesystem you create that becomes the basis of the image is called a chroot...
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  • [21:32:25] <foundatron> rcn-ee, fyi omap-image-builder is great, thanks
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  • [21:32:49] <rcn-ee> foundatron, the easist way, is copy directly in scripts/chroot.sh or use wget and download/extract..
  • [21:33:36] <foundatron> so edit chroot.sh to do the copy?
  • [21:33:47] <rcn-ee> everything under /target/chroot/*.sh dl/runs/etc something..
  • [21:34:32] <foundatron> so every .sh file in that /target/chroot/ gets run?
  • [21:34:58] <rcn-ee> foundatron, just the one you specifiy.. and your free to script anything in there..
  • [21:34:59] <foundatron> so I ad another shell script there it will get executed
  • [21:35:10] <foundatron> ok
  • [21:35:23] <rcn-ee> that's the: "chroot_script" var..
  • [21:36:01] <foundatron> ahhh, those look like they are running from within the chroot filesystem
  • [21:36:07] <foundatron> can they access the host?
  • [21:36:16] <foundatron> (sorry if that terminology is wrong)
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  • [21:36:43] <rcn-ee> not really, (chroot isn't perfectly) isolated..
  • [21:37:47] <rcn-ee> use the chroot_after_hook.. https://github.com/RobertCNelson/omap-image-builder/blob/master/scripts/chroot.sh#L1051
  • [21:38:54] <rcn-ee> the machinekit guys set that call up, it's run directly from the host, (not in the chroot), so you'll have to parse where the chroot is..
  • [21:39:15] <rcn-ee> (tempdir)
  • [21:39:25] <foundatron> hmmm
  • [21:39:27] <foundatron> ok
  • [21:39:37] <foundatron> let me see what the machinekit guys are doing
  • [21:39:59] <foundatron> thanks, I've been baning my head against this for a few hours
  • [21:40:09] <foundatron> *banging
  • [21:40:27] <rcn-ee> well, they set it up, then i merged them in, and rewrote it.... ;) so the chroot_after/before_hook's aren't really being used anymore. . ;)
  • [21:40:47] <foundatron> oj
  • [21:40:49] <foundatron> oh
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  • [21:41:59] <rcn-ee> but anything not documented/or/used is a free for all. ;)
  • [21:42:28] <foundatron> So what do you will that variable with, a shell script w/path?
  • [21:42:36] <foundatron> to something on the host system?
  • [21:42:54] <rcn-ee> tempdir should be exported, so your shell script should see it..
  • [21:43:15] <rcn-ee> cp ./myfile ${tempdir}/file_in_chroot...
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  • [21:44:30] <foundatron> sure, and chroot_after_hook= should point to a shell script on the host somewhere?
  • [21:45:08] <foundatron> or in the target/chroot dir
  • [21:45:11] <foundatron> ?
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  • [21:45:56] <rcn-ee> it's in the base dir... "${DIR}/${chroot_after_hook}" yuck, we should move that to /target/chroot/*... So it's been un-used for atleast a year now. ;)
  • [21:46:10] <foundatron> ok
  • [21:46:31] <rcn-ee> yeah, most users have been able to hack up the chroot_script enough to not use that one...
  • [21:46:56] <foundatron> yeah the only reason I don't want to do that
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  • [21:47:08] <foundatron> is because i want to keep my branch insync with yours
  • [21:47:21] <foundatron> but yeah I could do that
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  • [21:48:09] <foundatron> Thanks so much for taking the time to answer my questions
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  • [21:51:31] <rcn-ee> no problem... Most things are pretty frozen now days.. The biggest change i see coming down the pipe is convert the ubuntu upstarts mods to systemd, otherwise just not much..
  • [21:52:25] <foundatron> I've spent a lot of time with the omap builder this week
  • [21:52:29] <foundatron> 12 hours or so
  • [21:52:34] <foundatron> just reading bash
  • [21:52:38] <foundatron> and more bash
  • [21:52:45] <foundatron> its good stuff
  • [21:52:50] <rcn-ee> and lots of bash. ;)
  • [21:57:42] <ds2> rcn-ee: do you have anything that supports a RO / ?
  • [21:58:56] <rcn-ee> ds2, i was looking at that again last week.. https://gist.github.com/RobertCNelson/fa060aafd0def90b427d <- that's my debian squeeze xM that's been on digikey's roof for 4 years... ro... same microSD, solar powered, so lots of re-cycles..
  • [21:59:52] <rcn-ee> trying to figure out the best way to calcuate how big to make the inital ro / partition.. (var has to rw..)
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  • [22:01:13] <ds2> rcn-ee: do you fix up stuff like /etc?
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  • [22:01:50] <rcn-ee> i 'think' i had to boot it intially 'rw' once and debian fixed those up...
  • [22:02:48] <ds2> ah
  • [22:03:04] <ds2> sounds like it is less sophisticated then what Angstrom had?
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  • [22:03:52] <rcn-ee> Angstrom was more sane back then.. Also the "/run/' directory is now setup too...
  • [22:04:44] <rcn-ee> looked it up.. debian wheezy got "/run" so that cleans up alot of why /var/ had to rw...
  • [22:04:57] <rcn-ee> (it's also tmpfs of ram..)
  • [22:05:31] <rcn-ee> So it should be way easier for Jessie to run with ro root...
  • [22:05:44] <ds2> this sounds like more then 10mins of work to let me kill power with a disconnect switch
  • [22:07:02] <rcn-ee> it's something defintelly on my mind too.. Just need a free weekend.. gf's been keeping me busy with those.. ;)
  • [22:07:21] <ds2> heh
  • [22:08:03] <ds2> with all the things zmatt pointed out, a RO system seems to be the easiest way to deal with things on a battery system
  • [22:08:49] <rcn-ee> yeah, once setup, it solves all the issues.. (except where you store things you want to keep..)
  • [22:09:19] <ds2> thinking of keeping all that on FAT
  • [22:09:21] <ds2> then mtools
  • [22:10:17] <rcn-ee> the only bad part, once you get it working and it works, you don't want to update it <period>, this is runing an ancient kernel with Debian Squeeze 6.x (armel) http://connectivity.digikey.com/outside.jpg
  • [22:10:53] <ds2> i don't see that as a problem but then I want it solely as a userland
  • [22:11:14] <ds2> got a kernel that supports all the hw i need with a different linearage
  • [22:11:25] <ds2> the other option is to build up a userland from simple init
  • [22:11:46] <rcn-ee> nah, use ro /.. ;)
  • [22:12:36] <ds2> the big drawback is locating all the src files to keep out of GPL jail
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  • [22:13:29] <rcn-ee> toybox is getting nicer...
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  • [22:14:17] <ds2> so is musel(sp?)
  • [22:15:17] <rcn-ee> that's a littler harder to symlink over /usr/bin/x ;)
  • [22:16:14] <ds2> X? not using X
  • [22:16:26] <ds2> 160x160 displays don't work well with X
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