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  • [12:23:04] <Abhishek_> can the beaglebone clock SPI faster than 48 MHz?
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  • [13:49:09] <_Pink> Hey all. Anyone know have any idea what this might be? I am trying to boot qemu ... I have done all the leg work to get QNX booting, but am now getting this error
  • [13:49:14] <_Pink> Configure power management chip qemu: hardware error: twl4030_49_write: unknown register 0x4a
  • [13:49:49] <_Pink> everything else looks like the QNX os is booting properly up to that point
  • [13:52:17] <_Pink> and here is my qemu command line
  • [13:52:20] <_Pink> sudo qemu-system-arm -M beagle -m 256 -sd /dev/sdb -clock unix -show-cursor -device usb-mouse -device usb-kbd -nographic
  • [13:52:28] <_Pink> oops,
  • [13:53:13] <_Pink> sudo qemu-system-arm -M beaglexm -m 256 -sd /dev/sdb -clock unix -show-cursor -device usb-mouse -device usb-kbd -nographic
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  • [13:57:02] <_Pink> is anyone here?
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  • [14:02:39] <agmlego|skynet> _Pink: have patience. it is early yet on a sunday morning.
  • [14:03:48] <_Pink> agm, cool. Wasn't sure. Asked a question the other day and never got a response. was making sure people could actually see :)
  • [14:05:17] <agmlego|skynet> sure. while you wait, be sure to read the links in the topic.
  • [14:05:57] <agmlego|skynet> it is possible you got no response because you failed to ask tge question right, or at the wrong time.
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  • [14:12:24] <_Pink> agm, ok. thanks!
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  • [14:13:10] <agmlego|skynet> _Pink: also, most clients support tab-completion on nicks; thst is, you can type a few characters of a nick, then hit the tab key to fill in the rest. as a bonus, most clients support highlighting, where the person whose nivk you used will get a notification that someone is addressing yhem.
  • [14:14:37] <_Pink> agmlego|skynet: nice! As you can probably tell, I don't use IRC too often.
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  • [14:24:44] <agmlego|skynet> no worries, egeryone starts somewhere.
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  • [18:34:51] <theAdib> hello I compiled an image for my BeagleBoneBlack using yocto 1.7. when I try to follow lessons on the web I discovered I do not have /sys/class/leds/ . However using /sys/class/gpio/ I can access user leds. Where does the /sys/class/leds/ went away?
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  • [18:38:43] <tbr> theAdib: different kernel or different kernel config?
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  • [18:41:42] <theAdib> tbr, I am using the yocto core-image-minimal package. same as here https://www.yoctoproject.org/downloads/bsps/daisy16/beaglebone
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  • [18:46:04] <vidit> hey ! i am new to this channel can anyone guide me how i can start contributing to the community?
  • [18:48:21] <_av500_> hang out here
  • [18:48:26] <_av500_> read the mailing list
  • [18:48:30] <_av500_> google a lot
  • [18:48:36] <_av500_> do something
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  • [18:49:52] <vidit> thanks and can you suggest which language and field should i follow ?
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  • [19:05:19] <vidit> may someone please suggest which language and field should i follow so i can contribute maximum to the community ?
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  • [19:19:55] <_av500_> there is no single way
  • [19:20:04] <_av500_> be present and observe
  • [19:20:08] <_av500_> be curious
  • [19:23:15] <vidit> is there any fixed set of skills that are prerequisites for participating in open source projects?
  • [19:23:47] <_av500_> no
  • [19:24:05] <_av500_> there are many ways to contribute
  • [19:24:21] <_av500_> writing code, writing docs, translations
  • [19:24:27] <_av500_> herding communities
  • [19:24:31] <_av500_> triaging bugs
  • [19:24:34] <_av500_> printing tshirts
  • [19:24:47] <_av500_> wisecracking on irc
  • [19:24:51] <Mikaela> freenode also prefers http://freenode.net/catalysts.shtml being skill you have
  • [19:25:11] <vidit> thanks
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  • [20:17:11] <GenTooMan> I like the wisecracking on IRC part
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  • [20:19:01] <Satyam_z> I am trying to install qemu . But Not getting , which debian image should i choose ?
  • [20:19:57] <Satyam_z> armhf or armel ?
  • [20:20:22] <Satyam_z> Of course for beaglebone !
  • [20:23:10] <pehjota> Satyam_z: Either will work, but certain applications will perform better when built for armhf.
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  • [20:24:10] <Satyam_z> pehjota : Okay ! means I can use armhf
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  • [20:25:26] <fchmmr> pehjota, what's the difference between armel and armhf?
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  • [20:26:28] <Satyam_z> pehjota : Which one should I prefer from this http://beagleboard.org/latest-images ?
  • [20:26:55] <Satyam_z> I mean given on that page
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  • [20:32:42] <pehjota> fchmmr: The main difference is the use of hardware floating point (FPU) instructions (VFP, NEON). <https://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort> has more information from early porting stages.
  • [20:33:30] <pehjota> Satyam_z: I guess that depends on whether you have a BeagleBone or a BeagleBone Black and whether you're installing to the eMMC or a microSD card.
  • [20:34:08] <Satyam_z> pehjota : Actually I don't have board with me
  • [20:34:30] <Satyam_z> I am trying to install qemu but facing some issues
  • [20:35:25] <Satyam_z> pehjota : Which OS (Debian - arm) would you prefer ?
  • [20:40:18] <fchmmr> so, which one is more compatible?
  • [20:40:38] <fchmmr> if one is more efficient than the other, that's one thing, but if you want your binary to run in as many places as possible: armel or armhf?
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  • [20:58:46] <_av500_> Satyam_z: I dont think qemu will run a stock BBB Bimage
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  • [20:59:05] <_av500_> image*
  • [20:59:20] <Satyam_z> _av500_ : Then which on should i install ?
  • [20:59:25] <Satyam_z> *one
  • [20:59:40] <Satyam_z> armel or armhf ?
  • [20:59:43] <_av500_> I dont know
  • [20:59:47] <_av500_> armhf
  • [20:59:59] <Satyam_z> Ok !
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  • [21:00:37] <Satyam_z> _av500_ : I will install armhf and then I will let you know
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  • [22:19:45] <natsukao1> hi
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  • [22:20:42] <natsukao1> which resolution for LCD can support a beagle board with high performances ?
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  • [22:41:10] <pehjota> fchmmr: Debian armel is more compatible, because not all ARM systems (e.g. original RPi) have an FPU. But such systems are rare today.
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  • [22:45:30] <fchmmr> pehjota, so, theoretically, armel is what I want. In practise, though, armhf is more appropriate.
  • [22:45:54] <fchmmr> The kinds of utilities that I build and use on ARM don't really benefit from a hw fpu, though
  • [22:46:01] <fchmmr> just ich9gen/ich9deblob and flashrom
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  • [22:51:08] <pehjota> fchmmr: Yeah, unless you want to support RPi users, it doesn't really matter either way. Although armhf binaries are probably smaller due to use of the Thumb ISA (and perhaps also because armhf enables use of newer ARMv7-A instructions). See the output of `gcc -v` for the exact configuration options; the relevant ones are `--with-arch=armv7-a --with-fpu=vfpv3-d16 --with-float=hard --with-mode=thumb`.
  • [22:51:19] <natsukao1> when will be available a better beagle board then te actual beagle board xm ?
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  • [22:51:32] <fchmmr> pehjota, ok
  • [22:51:45] <fchmmr> I think I just use the GCC from Trisquel for building ARM. I don't pass any arguments to it.
  • [22:51:53] <fchmmr> I just run it
  • [22:52:23] <pehjota> fchmmr: Those are the configure options with which GCC itself was configured.
  • [22:52:29] <fchmmr> I also build bucts/flashrom directly on the BBB (for now, because I haven't managed to cross compile them), and just use standard gcc without arguments.
  • [22:52:52] <fchmmr> I guess it doesn't matter if I use armel or armhf, since both will work on my BBB.
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  • [22:54:15] <pehjota> So GCC defaults to using ARMv7-A Thumb and VFP instructions unless you use -m options when building those utilities.
  • [22:55:45] <pehjota> natsukao1: There's the BeagleBone, the BeagleBone Black, and the upcoming BeagleBoard-X15. Those are all in certain ways better than the BB-xM. I'm not sure what you're asking.
  • [22:59:05] <Dragon__> When you've finished with this topic, I have some application development questions using the BBB to ask. Likely to be a bit complex, or so it seems. Meanwhile, I'll just listen
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  • [23:02:07] <pehjota> Dragon__: Go ahead.
  • [23:02:24] <Dragon__> Thank you
  • [23:02:56] <Dragon__> I have an application that needs the BBB (more memory, more I/O, some things built into the system, etc)
  • [23:03:28] <Dragon__> I have a number of boards already programmed using AVRs, and an I2C interface
  • [23:03:56] <natsukao1> the beagle board xm seems to be the one which supports a 1400x1050
  • [23:04:14] <Dragon__> I'd like to access the boards with the native (i2C-2) I2c interface from a custom cape that drives an LCD (640x480 or 600 * 800)
  • [23:04:47] <Dragon__> right, well, if you're addressing my little problem, it has more to do with what displays I have, and what's easier for me to drive
  • [23:05:18] <Dragon__> I can drive any dot matrix display from VGA on down, TFT or not (uses Epson S1D13781 chip)
  • [23:05:27] <Dragon__> done, working, etc....
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  • [23:06:03] <Dragon__> so the problem for me is to ask 1) which is better for interfacing a complex application (like oscilloscope or logic analyzer) to the BBB
  • [23:06:08] <Dragon__> but using I2C
  • [23:06:24] <Dragon__> Protocol using I2C is already done, working, etc....
  • [23:06:56] <Dragon__> Looking at Android, I have a good GUI for the user interface, (potentially), but accessing the I/O and I2C seems to be difficult
  • [23:07:27] <Dragon__> Looking at Debian linux (board is BBB rev C), the libraries seem to be there, but there seems to be no good way to do a GUI
  • [23:08:07] <natsukao1> Android is a NON free operating system, and is possble that in the kernel are there drivers that you will NOT find in GNU/linux
  • [23:08:25] <Dragon__> although if I *could* get to the line/dot character position routines, I could just use my own windows style (as it it does objects like Delphi) and do my own application
  • [23:08:47] <Dragon__> ok, I've gotten the image of 4.2.2 for the BBB on an SD card, and that seems to work
  • [23:09:01] <natsukao1> if your distribution is using a a kernel without bloobs, is possible that you can't have the same support of the Android kernel
  • [23:09:34] <Dragon__> ok, my basic problem in vocabulary is that I come from a windows (somewhat) and embedded C programming environment....
  • [23:09:39] <Dragon__> so.... bloobs?
  • [23:09:49] <natsukao1> was just discussed in the past, that the Android kernel is not the same thing of the linux kernel
  • [23:10:08] <Dragon__> yep, know that one, although they are related
  • [23:10:24] <Dragon__> no particular "must have" here.... so either would be good if it can do what I want easily
  • [23:10:57] <Dragon__> I'd rather do my programming in C, rather than javascript or bonescript... I think what I'm doing is too complex to give me a good program
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  • [23:12:37] <Dragon__> any observations?
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  • [23:14:09] <Dragon__> Ok, issue by issue
  • [23:14:45] <Dragon__> which is better for a gui style application with I2C I/O; android or Linux (debian as provided on the BBB)?
  • [23:14:48] <natsukao1> i am using GNU/linux gNewSense a distribution 100% Free Software; <pehjota> uses GNU/linux Trisquel a GNU/linux distribution 100% Free Software, is well known that GNU/linux Debian is a NON free GNU/linux distribution: http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html for you <Dragon__>
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  • [23:15:59] <Dragon__> what's not free about the Debian?
  • [23:16:13] <fchmmr> My brain automatically reads gnewsense as guix these days. Don't know why.
  • [23:16:19] <fchmmr> s/reads/misreads
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  • [23:17:37] <Dragon__> ok.... any opinions on the question?
  • [23:17:54] <natsukao1> read that page: http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html
  • [23:17:54] <Dragon__> no idea if anyone in the room has done this or not.....
  • [23:18:45] <natsukao1> it's obvioulsy <Dragon__> i don't discuss don't create another flame
  • [23:19:00] <Dragon__> ok, assuming I go for that distro, does it 1) work on the BBB and is there an image for it, and 2) does it give me access to a GUI invironment for the application interface?
  • [23:19:30] <Dragon__> ok, I'm not about to start a flame war, but I have *no* idea which is better for my purposes, so opinions are welcome
  • [23:19:43] <natsukao1> BreagleBoard is a ARM :-)
  • [23:19:58] <natsukao1> i hope in the future will be MIPS
  • [23:20:01] <Dragon__> yep, BBB, which changes the hardware a trifle
  • [23:20:12] <Dragon__> on the other hand, right now, it's ARM
  • [23:20:17] <Dragon__> so I need to deal with that
  • [23:22:36] <natsukao1> you can see what the SGI made with the MIPS cpu's in past, true and fast workstations
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  • [23:23:33] <natsukao1> with a good support for OpenGL.....
  • [23:24:05] <Dragon__> OK, so with a BBB, how do I use that?
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  • [23:24:33] <pehjota> natsukao1: There are currently no FSDG distributions that run on the BBB (this will change hopefully soon). Debian can be used freely (and has been so used by the FSF and many others). And I doubt there will be a MIPS Beagle board.
  • [23:25:20] <pehjota> That page says why the FSF doesn't /recommend/ using Debian, but it doesn't say not to use Debian.
  • [23:26:02] <Dragon__> and it seems rather rigorous to me, since all I am Interested in is the technical stuff, will it do the job? I can avoid the paid apps just the way I avoid paid apps in Android.
  • [23:27:36] <natsukao1> i know this < pehjota> but FREEDOM is more important
  • [23:28:19] <fchmmr> pehjota, but come on, the reality is that the FSF recommends people use gnewsense/trisquel
  • [23:29:00] <natsukao1> i tell you that is possible i'll buy a sgi
  • [23:29:16] <natsukao1> in the next future, obviously a used sgi
  • [23:29:55] <natsukao1> but enough to do streaming and to have vocal commands on it
  • [23:30:33] <natsukao1> and to use it as telly : DVB-S or better DVB-T
  • [23:30:48] <natsukao1> or IPtv
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  • [23:31:35] <pehjota> natsukao1: As I said, Debian can be used freely. You've missed everything I said, the point of the FSDG, and FSF's stance on Debian. The FSF recommends other distributions, but it doesn't say Debian can't be used in freedom. In fact, the FSF has used Debian (and I think still does on some servers/workstations).
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  • [23:32:34] <pehjota> You can wait until an FSDG distribution supports the BBB, if you'd prefer. It will happen; I and others are working on it.
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  • [23:38:21] <natsukao1> http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://fsf.org
  • [23:39:07] <natsukao1> but it says only that they use GNU/linux, is not specificied which GNU/linux distribution
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  • [23:44:38] <Dragon__> hmmm
  • [23:44:43] <natsukao1> i go to sleep
  • [23:45:02] <Dragon__> any thoughts on a linux GUI interface program under Debian for the BBB?
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  • [23:54:38] <Dragon__> anyone know of a board or resource that deals with writing a GUI interface for the BBB under Debian?
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