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  • [00:00:33] * Topic is 'http://beagleboard.org/chat has a guide on how to ask questions and links to the logs | never ask to ask, just ask | be patient | pastebin a boot log | http://ahsoftware.de/Beaglebone_Black_Boot_explained.svg | BBB is being sold faster than produced. Order one and wait. There is no other way. | http://beagleboard.org/latest-images | http://beagleboard.org/Support/bone101'
  • [00:00:33] * Set by KotH!~attila@lou-outside.kinali.ch on Fri Apr 18 13:56:18 UTC 2014
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  • [01:23:01] <saaj> hey
  • [01:23:14] <saaj> i have some doubts\
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  • [01:23:19] <saaj> regarding beaglebone
  • [01:23:31] <saaj> can anybody help me
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  • [01:24:14] <rcn-ee> i doubt your 'doubts' never ask to ask, just ask
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  • [01:27:12] <saaj> My BB board only some time getting connected to server
  • [01:27:33] <saaj> it used to pop up memory card content but not connecting
  • [01:28:10] <saaj> I have loaded cloud 9 OS image
  • [01:28:12] <rcn-ee> the easy way to debug that is grab a usb-serial cable and see what it's doing..
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  • [01:28:59] <saaj> how to use save ADC settings in beagleboen.
  • [01:29:00] <saaj> ?
  • [01:29:17] <saaj> every time i stsrt the board i need to enable it for to use
  • [01:29:28] <saaj> same in case of setting the pjava path
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  • [01:29:38] <yates> my bbb rev c powers up with a fixed ip address of 192.168.7.2 when i have the usb plugged in, but obtains its address via dhcp when not. how can i change this behavior?
  • [01:29:43] <rcn-ee> init script or add to your enviroment..
  • [01:30:21] <rcn-ee> yates change the value in /etc/network/interfaces and /opt/scripts/boot/am335x_evm.sh
  • [01:31:02] <yates> rcn-ee: thanks!
  • [01:31:53] <yates> is am335x_evm.sh run somehow as part of init?
  • [01:33:06] <rcn-ee> yates, it's called by an init script, to do board specific checks, you can view the git version here: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/boot-scripts/blob/master/boot/am335x_evm.sh
  • [01:33:54] <yates> rcn-ee: are you robert c. nelson?
  • [01:34:18] <rcn-ee> what gave that away. ;)
  • [01:34:33] <yates> your accent :)
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  • [01:34:51] <yates> i used one of your distros over a year ago - linaro, i believe - very nice!
  • [01:35:11] <yates> for the bb-xm
  • [01:35:22] <yates> thank you.
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  • [01:36:46] <yates> i've also noticed that, if i boot without the usb plugged in, the os appears to consistently die within 5 minutes (i think - haven't timed it). any idea why?
  • [01:37:18] <yates> that is, it gets the dhcp-assigned address just fine, i can ssh in just fine, but then the terminal goes dead after just a few minutes.
  • [01:37:41] <yates> using the debian distro, btw.
  • [01:38:55] <rcn-ee> only if it's a bad power supply.. have you tried upgrading the kernel: http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#Kernel_Upgrade ?
  • [01:40:05] <yates> is this old? Linux beaglebone 3.8.13-bone50 #1 SMP Tue May 13 13:24:52 UTC 2014 armv7l GNU/Linux
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  • [01:40:30] <thurgood> compared to what?
  • [01:41:04] <rcn-ee> we are shipping "bone64" lots of little fixes since bone50
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  • [01:41:29] <yates> ok, i'll upgrade.
  • [01:42:26] <rcn-ee> nothing really related to ethernet.. i've been mostly pounding on v3.14, so v3.8 doesn't get tested by me much anymore
  • [01:43:41] <yates> software question: i have an application that will be repetitively reading about 15 GPIOs every 100 milliseconds.
  • [01:43:53] <yates> and i was going to use this technique to configure and read them: http://www.armhf.com/using-beaglebone-black-gpios/
  • [01:44:04] <rcn-ee> you should just have the pru do that..
  • [01:45:01] <yates> programmable real-time unit?
  • [01:45:33] <yates> isn't that essentially a coprocessor?
  • [01:45:35] <rcn-ee> small mcu: http://elinux.org/ECE497_BeagleBone_PRU
  • [01:46:42] <rcn-ee> another good one, with gpio: http://boxysean.com/blog/2012/08/12/first-steps-with-the-beaglebone-pru/
  • [01:47:23] <yates> is reading those at a 10 Hz rate going to be too fast for regular user-space code?
  • [01:48:16] <rcn-ee> you can do it in user-space, but it's nice to offload that to something else..
  • [01:49:20] <veremit> stops ya main processor loop bein tied up in io
  • [01:49:55] <yates> i was doing this in other thread(s) than the main thread.
  • [01:50:00] <yates> doing pthreads
  • [01:50:13] <yates> (was going to...)
  • [01:51:06] <yates> using gnu g++ 4.7 and mostly the standard posix stuff.
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  • [01:54:37] <yates> thanks for all the info, rcn-ee - gold mine!
  • [01:55:37] <veremit> ok must sleep .. nite all
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  • [01:57:18] <yates> is there an outline of the debian/bbb init process? is it the new systemctl thingie or still the old sysV ?
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  • [01:58:39] <yates> (i'm coming from a fedora-centry POV)
  • [01:58:46] <yates> s/centry/centric/
  • [02:00:06] <rcn-ee> it's both... systemd runs any scripts under /etc/init.d/ that don't have a service file
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  • [03:13:06] <yates> what kernel version is this? https://rcn-ee.net/deb/testing/2014-09-03/lxde-4gb/BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.6-lxde-4gb-armhf-2014-09-03-4gb.img.xz
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  • [03:13:31] <yates> and is it stable enough to try for prototype code?
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  • [03:17:10] <yates> is there a recommended method of delivering OS plus custom code? i was thinking of configuring my personal SD to taste, then creating a .gz file of the image for others to flash. is that reasonable?
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  • [03:58:15] <agmlego> ./c
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  • [09:17:35] <yates> i'm confused about the purpose of the "flasher" versus "standalone" images here: http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#Debian_Image_Testing_Snapshots
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  • [09:17:45] <av500> one flashes the image to emmc
  • [09:17:48] <av500> the other does not
  • [09:17:58] <av500> think "install" vs "live CD"
  • [09:18:01] <yates> av500: right, but when would you ever use the one that does not?
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  • [09:18:24] <yates> how do you get the os onto the internal emmc?
  • [09:18:28] <av500> I dont
  • [09:18:32] <av500> I keep it on SD :)
  • [09:18:52] <yates> ok, but then in that case you always have to boot while holding the button, right?
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  • [09:18:58] <av500> no
  • [09:19:06] <av500> if there is nothing in emmc, it boots from SD
  • [09:19:11] <av500> clever little thing
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  • [09:24:13] <yates> av500: how long does it take for yours to boot?
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  • [09:24:25] <av500> few seconds
  • [09:25:05] <yates> less than 60?
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  • [09:26:09] <av500> probably
  • [09:26:48] <yates> with probability > 0.85?
  • [09:27:04] <KotH> p < 0.05
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  • [09:27:55] <yates> KotH: can you provide the probability density function for this random variable? :)
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  • [09:28:13] <KotH> it's av500 shaped
  • [09:28:36] <yates> i see..
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  • [09:30:14] <av500> yates: boot times depends much on what you boot
  • [09:30:21] <av500> Unity or command lind
  • [09:30:23] <av500> line
  • [09:30:23] <yates> i have a strange issue. when i boot with the usb plugged in, all is well.
  • [09:30:44] <yates> however, when i boot without the usb plugged in, it comes up fine for about 5 minutes, then dies.
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  • [09:31:12] <yates> any ideas why?
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  • [09:31:29] <yates> this behavior is consistent.
  • [09:31:49] <yates> and i'm booting from the external SD in both cases.
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  • [09:32:01] <tbr> yates: what is your power supply?
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  • [09:33:05] <yates> a PC PS, feeding 5V in on the expansion connector, which looks to me to the identical mode of having 5V on the dc input connector
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  • [09:35:05] <tbr> humor us and use the barrel connector. I believe we've told you before.
  • [09:35:23] <tbr> also ensure that the 5V is stable
  • [09:35:29] <tbr> try a different PSU
  • [09:35:37] <yates> tbr: watch your assumptions.
  • [09:36:13] <tbr> yates: why the aggressive stance?
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  • [09:37:00] <yates> in my hardware, the bbb is mounted on a large board performing other functions. it is necessary to have it operate with this board's power since the final application will not have a usb available.
  • [09:37:31] <KotH> what tbr said still holds though
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  • [09:37:37] <KotH> try the barrel connector
  • [09:37:48] <av500> +1
  • [09:37:55] <KotH> feeding power from a random connector might not do what you expect it to do
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  • [09:38:44] <tbr> if you have a oscilloscope, observe your supply voltage
  • [09:39:42] <KotH> tbr: observing power supply fluctuations with an oscilloscope is not something the average engineer should do... most dont know what to look for and how to be sure that what you measure is actually what is happening on the board
  • [09:40:08] <KotH> also, a rigol will fail horribly at that task, as do most of the low-end oscilloscopes
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  • [09:41:00] <tbr> KotH: *nod*
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  • [09:43:28] <yates> KotH: i learned how to use a scope in my first trimester at DeVry.
  • [09:44:18] <yates> what's magical about looking at DC power?
  • [09:44:55] <yates> i guess you could have high frequency oscillations that you wouldn't see with a low-bandwidth scope.
  • [09:45:02] <yates> e.g.
  • [09:45:32] <KotH> well.. if you have to ask, you should not do it
  • [09:45:38] <KotH> google for transient measurement
  • [09:45:48] <yates> if you make the assertion, you should back it up.
  • [09:46:38] <KotH> if you have ever measured signals with a BW in the GHz range, then you know where my assertions come from
  • [09:46:46] <KotH> if not, learn about it first
  • [09:46:51] <yates> yes, i've used LeCroys..
  • [09:47:03] <KotH> using a tool does not make you an expert in it ;)
  • [09:47:13] <KotH> also, lecroy has low end scopes as well ;)
  • [09:47:33] <yates> KotH: well i guess you just piss farther than i.
  • [09:47:34] <LetoThe2nd> plus, anybody claiming "i've learnt proper measurement in a trimester" is plain wrong.
  • [09:47:51] <yates> PhD in Power Supply Measurements...
  • [09:48:02] <LetoThe2nd> not from his own POV of course, but just from the experience that cannot be gathered in a few months.
  • [09:48:11] <KotH> yates: really.. measuring transients on power supplies is black magic
  • [09:48:21] <yates> no, of course not... this is really really fancy stuff, DC and all.
  • [09:48:40] * yates hears "Spooky" in the background...
  • [09:48:52] <KotH> yates: lots of cargo cult stuff and incantations to get it right... and in the end you still dont know whether you see an artifact of your measurement or something real
  • [09:49:08] <LetoThe2nd> yates: believe it or not, properly measuring DC can be hard, once timing and capacitances come into play. and that is the case in such boards.
  • [09:49:18] <KotH> also, if you dont see anything it does not mean there isnt something there
  • [09:49:45] <LetoThe2nd> yates: if you don't believe it, google around a bit on what hoops people jump through to only measure power consumptions on modern PCBs
  • [09:50:12] <LetoThe2nd> yates: and then from there on, think a bit about what is needed *on* *top* if you want to find problems in that said power consumption...
  • [09:50:44] <LetoThe2nd> sure, anybody can hold a probe onto a pin and say "hey, that is 5V DC. measurement accomplished."
  • [09:50:59] <LetoThe2nd> thats not real engineering life problem solving, though.
  • [09:51:41] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: measure it with an 8.5 digit MM ;)
  • [09:51:57] <yates> yeah, i wouldn't know anything about real-life engineering problems.
  • [09:52:08] <LetoThe2nd> yates: i'm not saying that.
  • [09:52:41] * tbr wonders if the board exhibits that behaviour when not connected to anything, just powered
  • [09:53:15] <LetoThe2nd> yates: i just said: "when you clain to know how to properly measure power lines, and learned that in a few months at some educational institution, then chances are that you do not really know what you are talking about"
  • [09:53:19] <LetoThe2nd> (no offense meant)
  • [09:53:32] <yates> does the package adafruit sends the bbb in include a barrel power supply?
  • [09:53:43] <yates> i've misplaced mine if so.
  • [09:53:47] <yates> i think.
  • [09:54:26] <tbr> no, PSU is always extra
  • [09:55:04] <tbr> that way it doesn't drive up the price unnecessarily, as some people don't want more bricks for the pile or will power the board otherwise
  • [09:55:51] <yates> do you know (i could look it up on the datasheet) what the AC input voltage range is on the TPS65217?
  • [09:56:15] <yates> i have a wart ps that is 12 v...
  • [09:56:23] <tbr> 'nope'
  • [09:56:31] <tbr> the board takes 5V DC
  • [09:57:01] <yates> guess i'll have to hack a cable and hook up my lab supply
  • [09:57:04] <tbr> IIRC upper bound is 5.1 or 5.05. The SRM will know
  • [09:58:13] <yates> so, if i do that, and the board behaves identically (i.e., hangs after 5 minutes), any conjectures on what would be happening?
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  • [09:59:08] <KotH> hardware or software bug
  • [09:59:28] <tbr> then I would disconnect the board from whatever it's connected to and try again.
  • [10:02:03] <yates> could it be an SD flash memory problem?
  • [10:02:27] <av500> it can be anything
  • [10:02:31] <av500> serial hooked up?
  • [10:02:34] <yates> no
  • [10:02:43] <av500> do it and observe when happens when it locks up
  • [10:02:49] <av500> otherwise you are "blind"
  • [10:03:01] <yates> well, i'd have to double check, but i don't think so.
  • [10:03:36] <KotH> first rule about debugging problems: dont assume anything. always double check
  • [10:03:52] <KotH> second rule about debuging problems: check the basics
  • [10:04:11] <yates> that's basic... :)
  • [10:04:47] <yates> PS, I'm stuck with a crappy Bitscope for a scope - I believe it's 100 MHz.
  • [10:05:53] <yates> going back to bed... couldn't sleep...
  • [10:06:14] <yates> thanks for your thoughts.
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  • [10:11:20] <yates> 20-V Tolerant USB and AC Inputs
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  • [10:34:46] <KJH> Does anyone know of a shop that still has the -XM board in stock?
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  • [11:00:05] <av500> KJH: how many do you need?
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  • [11:05:58] <hitlin37> anyone planning to go to ELC next month? I might go...
  • [11:06:36] <av500> yes
  • [11:06:39] <av500> at least one day
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  • [11:09:56] <hitlin37> great.
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  • [11:15:41] <hitlin37> first two days looks good to attend.
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  • [11:18:25] <KJH> @av500, Just the one.
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  • [11:20:15] <KotH> KJH: send av500 a big bar of good swiss chocolate
  • [11:21:48] <KJH> Just give us his home address and a big bar of Swiss Chocolate will be on its way
  • [11:22:48] <tbr> hitlin37: the usual people are going. this time including me.
  • [11:23:19] <hitlin37> great.
  • [11:23:28] <hitlin37> i might make it too.
  • [11:24:34] <KotH> KJH: just type av500 into your phonebook app
  • [11:24:49] <KotH> KJH: but be aware that av500 is spoiled. he only eats the best of the best of swiss chocolate
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  • [11:29:25] <KJH> Ok. But in seriousness - nobody knows a shop with an -XM in stock?
  • [11:29:57] <av500> KJH: see my pm
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  • [12:11:13] <ritz> hi every one
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  • [12:12:16] <ritz> who isa this
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  • [12:13:00] <Rotti> hi
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  • [12:13:13] <ritz> whats ur name
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  • [12:14:18] <av500> ritz: please play somewhere else
  • [12:14:18] <ritz> is there anyone
  • [12:14:44] <ritz> i would like to chat ...
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  • [12:14:56] <av500> ritz: find some other place to chat
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  • [12:15:07] <ritz> mind ur bussiness
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  • [12:16:51] <KotH> ritz: watch your mouth
  • [12:16:56] <notserpe> hi ritz, hows the crackers?
  • [12:17:06] <ritz> fine ..
  • [12:17:14] <iomari> greetings, I'm currently booting from sdcard with the debian image from chipsee direct. All is going well. Is it possible to flash the emmc with this?
  • [12:17:26] <KotH> iomari: afaik yes
  • [12:17:38] <KotH> iomari: there should be flasher images somewhere
  • [12:17:52] <ritz> yes , u need to load flasher image .
  • [12:18:03] <av500> iomari: no idea about chipsee images
  • [12:18:09] <av500> ask chipsee
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  • [12:18:19] <ritz> who is chipese
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  • [12:18:40] <iomari> I have flasher images but they are don't contain the drivers for the chipsee screen like the chipsee debian image does.
  • [12:18:59] <iomari> chipsee makes the 7inch cape screen for BBB.
  • [12:19:07] <ritz> angstrom image is good for ur answer
  • [12:19:11] <av500> nonsense
  • [12:19:23] <ritz> what nonsense ha..
  • [12:19:54] <iomari> ritz: I prefer debian
  • [12:20:01] <ritz> k..
  • [12:20:06] <av500> ritz: please say something useful or dont say anything
  • [12:20:24] <ritz> i would like to make friends ...
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  • [12:20:50] <av500> ritz: you dont make friends like that here
  • [12:20:55] <ritz> now u donot say ,this is not te plae k
  • [12:21:17] <ritz> thats what am abt to tel u yar..
  • [12:21:19] <av500> iomari: you would need to add your drivers to the image that the flasher flashes
  • [12:21:28] <av500> ritz: 1) please speak english
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  • [12:21:44] <av500> 2) stop the nonsense
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  • [12:21:51] <ritz> am telling u in english ..
  • [12:21:54] <KotH> 3) insulting an op is a bad idea
  • [12:22:03] <ritz> what is op
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  • [12:23:14] <ritz> is there anyone to talk to me
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  • [12:23:16] <av500> ritz: please read this: http://www.mahdiyusuf.com/post/6176918750/survival-guide-irc-1
  • [12:23:20] <av500> ritz: and follow it
  • [12:23:23] <av500> last warning
  • [12:23:47] <ritz> whats wrong with u
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  • [12:24:42] <iomari> fav500: that was the problem I had yesterday. All the info I found for the chipsee lead nowhere. I eventually found the compete image on their site which works perfectly from sd. Now I want to flash then use sd as storage.
  • [12:25:04] <av500> so
  • [12:25:08] <av500> take apart the flash image
  • [12:25:16] <av500> find that part that it flashes
  • [12:25:20] <av500> and put the chipsee image there
  • [12:25:23] <av500> hope that it works
  • [12:25:33] <av500> or, much more easy: keep running from SD and be happy
  • [12:25:40] <iomari> av500: sounds like a plan. thanks.
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  • [12:26:16] <iomari> av500: I thot running form emmc would be faster.
  • [12:26:39] <av500> ah well
  • [12:26:47] <av500> not really
  • [12:26:53] <av500> emmc is an sdcard soldered to the PCB
  • [12:27:18] <iomari> av500: then that settles it. Can the emmc be used as storage.
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  • [12:27:34] <av500> yes
  • [12:27:42] <av500> but your random sd card has probably more storage
  • [12:27:50] <av500> vs the 2 or 4GB on board
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  • [12:30:33] <Guest19006> plaese let me know
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  • [12:30:56] <Guest19006> let me know
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  • [13:09:21] <iomari> is there an onscreen keyboard when using chipsse display and debian?
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  • [13:11:07] <KotH> unless you started a specif app that does that
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  • [14:18:06] <chandan__> hey
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  • [14:18:32] <Guest66157> i want to know how can i connect normal audio cap with beaglebone black
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  • [14:25:51] <Guest66157> hey i want to know how can i connect normal audio cap with beaglebone black
  • [14:26:48] <agmlego> YOu asked that already.
  • [14:27:20] <Guest66157> yaa but know one answed that question
  • [14:27:36] <agmlego> ...you waited seven minutes.
  • [14:27:48] <agmlego> PLease read the topic.
  • [14:28:10] <Guest66157> means
  • [14:29:20] <Guest66157> ok
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  • [14:58:31] <kaczor> hi all
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  • [14:59:11] <kaczor> I'm using Debian image on microSD. Does anyone know how can I disable the splash screen(penguin) during the boot ?
  • [14:59:51] <kaczor> I'ts not loading till the login screen (get's stuck on this penguin splash) and I don't know what can be wrong
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  • [15:05:24] <sheridp> Hi, does anyone have experience using SPI on the BBB directly via mmap?
  • [15:06:23] <tbr> kaczor: sounds rather like you want to attach to the serial console
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  • [15:11:05] <kaczor> tbr thanks this might help but I would need to have some extra equipment. it's not possible to disable this splash and see the regular boot process ? (I don't know maybe some flag in the /boot/uboot/uEnv.txt ?)
  • [15:11:35] <tbr> kaczor: I don't know if the kernel is compiled with fb-console
  • [15:12:22] <kaczor> ahh ok. in that case guess I'll have to buy a serial cable for it
  • [15:12:52] <tbr> you could also check the kernel config and recompile if necessary
  • [15:13:16] <tbr> also you could just mount the sdcard on your pc and look for psplash or whatever is used for it
  • [15:13:17] <KotH> kaczor: you want to have the serial cable anyways. the serial console is the way how you debug stuff on embedded systems
  • [15:13:29] <tbr> but yeah, what KotH says
  • [15:13:45] <woglinde> hm somebody should put it in the topic
  • [15:14:00] <KotH> woglinde: what exactly?
  • [15:14:12] <woglinde> ask your question about booting, when you own a serial cable and know how to use it
  • [15:14:21] <KotH> hehe
  • [15:14:25] <KotH> a bit long
  • [15:14:29] <woglinde> hm yes
  • [15:14:32] <KotH> dunno whether that will fit
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  • [15:14:40] <tbr> boot problems? get a UART cable!
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  • [15:14:48] <woglinde> tbr yes nice
  • [15:14:57] * KotH changes topic to 'http://beagleboard.org/chat has a guide on how to ask questions and links to the logs | never ask to ask, just ask | be patient | pastebin a boot log | http://ahsoftware.de/Beaglebone_Black_Boot_explained.svg | BBB is being sold faster than produced. Order one and wait. There is no other way. | http://beagleboard.org/latest-images | http://beagleboard.org/Support/bone101 | ask your quest'
  • [15:15:11] * KotH changes topic to 'http://beagleboard.org/chat has a guide on how to ask questions and links to the logs | never ask to ask, just ask | be patient | pastebin a boot log | http://ahsoftware.de/Beaglebone_Black_Boot_explained.svg | BBB is being sold faster than produced. Order one and wait. There is no other way. | http://beagleboard.org/latest-images | http://beagleboard.org/Support/bone101 | get a serial c'
  • [15:15:17] <KotH> meh..
  • [15:15:28] * KotH changes topic to 'http://beagleboard.org/chat has a guide on how to ask questions and links to the logs | never ask to ask, just ask | be patient | pastebin a boot log | http://ahsoftware.de/Beaglebone_Black_Boot_explained.svg | BBB is being sold faster than produced. Order one and wait. There is no other way. | http://beagleboard.org/latest-images | http://beagleboard.org/Support/bone101'
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  • [15:15:47] <tbr> can we drop the production issues? I think that's no longer the case?
  • [15:16:39] <woglinde> tbr right
  • [15:16:50] <woglinde> there was none asking it in a month
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  • [15:19:36] <mistawright> so has anyone used there beaglebone black to create a rtsp stream that does not require an sdp file?
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  • [15:22:46] <woglinde> mistawright hm wrong channel?
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  • [16:10:15] <tee_jay7> Does this mean something to anyone?
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  • [16:23:58] <milad> i mean does it use the float registers on the board!
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  • [17:33:17] <Guest97392> hey, In beaglebone black usb port is connected by spi or i2c connection ?
  • [17:33:33] <Humpelstilzchen> I hope not
  • [17:33:49] <Humpelstilzchen> I hope its connected with usb
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  • [17:34:17] <Guest97392> yaa ..but usb connection is used which one i2c or sp1
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  • [17:36:55] <Humpelstilzchen> I'm not sure if I - or someone else here - do understand your question
  • [17:37:11] <Humpelstilzchen> how do you want to combine usb and i2c/spi?
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  • [17:48:06] <_av500_> Guest97392: niether i2c nor spi
  • [17:48:09] <_av500_> neither
  • [17:48:14] <_av500_> usb is native to the SoC
  • [17:49:14] <Guest97392> ok
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  • [18:13:35] <Guest19567> hi, i want to interface cmos camera using i2c (not usb) with beaglebone black.how can i do that?
  • [18:14:08] <_av500_> i2c?
  • [18:14:20] <_av500_> what camera is that?
  • [18:16:00] <Guest19567> cmos camera
  • [18:16:53] <Guest19567> something like this http://www.uctronics.com/640x480-03mega-pixel-cmos-camera-module-ov7660-sccb-i2c-compatible-ov7670-p-231.html
  • [18:18:04] <_av500_> ah yes
  • [18:18:12] <_av500_> so, it is an I2C device
  • [18:18:20] <Guest19567> so how can i do that
  • [18:18:26] <Humpelstilzchen> uhm I doubt that its sends the image over i2c
  • [18:18:28] <_av500_> google beaglebone and i2c and you will learn how to access I2C devices
  • [18:18:33] <_av500_> Humpelstilzchen: it does
  • [18:18:39] <Humpelstilzchen> you sure?
  • [18:18:45] <_av500_> there were UART based cams too
  • [18:19:01] <_av500_> sparkfun had them for the 'duino crowd
  • [18:19:16] <_av500_> its 0.3MP
  • [18:19:27] <Guest19567> ok
  • [18:19:41] <Guest19567> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11745 ?
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  • [18:20:01] <Humpelstilzchen> _av500_: actually looks more like i2c is control interface only
  • [18:20:15] <_av500_> Guest19567: no, this is Video out
  • [18:20:49] <_av500_> Humpelstilzchen: ah you are right
  • [18:20:55] <_av500_> its 8bit data
  • [18:20:56] <_av500_> my bad
  • [18:21:00] <_av500_> not like the UART one
  • [18:21:15] <_av500_> Guest19567: so, not so easy then
  • [18:21:22] <_av500_> you need to bang some bits too
  • [18:21:29] <Guest19567> ohk
  • [18:21:48] <Humpelstilzchen> Guest19567: Why don't you get an USB Webcam? Way simpler
  • [18:21:59] <Guest19567> i m going for i2c insted of usb bcz usb will be slow ? Is this so ?
  • [18:21:59] <agmlego> Or an Ethernet one. ;-P
  • [18:22:08] <agmlego> Guest19567: USB >>>> I2C
  • [18:22:16] <_av500_> Guest19567: it is NOT I2C
  • [18:22:17] <agmlego> In terms of speed.
  • [18:22:22] <agmlego> I2C is really, really slow.
  • [18:22:25] <_av500_> i2c is for control only
  • [18:22:32] <_av500_> agmlego: try gigI2C :)
  • [18:22:44] <agmlego> _av500_: Dear $deity, all the skew.
  • [18:22:48] <agmlego> ::shudders::
  • [18:23:04] <Guest19567> what about spi comapre to usb.. usb > > spi ?
  • [18:23:11] <_av500_> yes
  • [18:23:13] <agmlego> Generally, yeah.
  • [18:23:24] <Guest19567> ohk
  • [18:23:45] <_av500_> hmm, too bad, I wanted an I2C camera :)
  • [18:23:59] <agmlego> Guest19567: THis is all pretty easily gotten from the respective Wikipedia articles on the protocols you are talking about. ;-P
  • [18:24:36] <Guest19567> actully i want to interface two camera with bbb
  • [18:24:44] <woglinde> good luck
  • [18:24:51] <Guest19567> bbb usb can handle 2 camera?
  • [18:25:03] <agmlego> Guest19567: I2C is either 100kHz or 400kHz, with one bit sent per clock. SPI is generally around 20MHz or so, with one bit sent per clock. USB is more complex, but can theoretically hit mid to high hundreds of megabits per second.
  • [18:25:23] <agmlego> Guest19567: Define "handle"
  • [18:25:30] <agmlego> YOu certainly can connect two.
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  • [18:25:37] <agmlego> YOu can probably pull image data off two.
  • [18:25:49] <agmlego> YOu might even get more than single-fps performance off two.
  • [18:25:51] <_av500_> the answer is: "it depends"
  • [18:25:54] <Humpelstilzchen> agmlego: actually since your Master does the clock you have more speed options
  • [18:25:56] <Guest19567> handle means it can do processing with two cmaeras
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  • [18:26:07] <agmlego> Humpelstilzchen: I am aware.
  • [18:26:31] <agmlego> Guest19567: How fast? What processing? What size image? Are they color? Is the bone doing anything else?
  • [18:26:39] <Humpelstilzchen> Guest19567: whats your use-case?
  • [18:26:56] <_av500_> "...some light image processing..."
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  • [18:27:48] <Guest19567> like object regonization ?
  • [18:28:01] <_av500_> we are asking you
  • [18:28:17] <Guest19567> object recognization type thing
  • [18:28:30] <agmlego> Guest19567: Object recognition using which algorithms? BLob finding? Watershed? Hough transforms? FFT? COlor analysis?
  • [18:28:34] <Guest19567> i want it should take less then 1 sec
  • [18:28:41] <_av500_> and did you try?
  • [18:28:42] <agmlego> Per frame? Per analysis?
  • [18:28:44] <_av500_> with a still image?
  • [18:28:50] <_av500_> no need for a camera
  • [18:28:56] <Humpelstilzchen> less send 1 sec, so you are fine with 1fps?
  • [18:29:04] <Guest19567> ya
  • [18:29:11] <_av500_> and did you try?
  • [18:29:13] <_av500_> with a still image?
  • [18:29:25] <Guest19567> i want 2-3 pfs
  • [18:29:31] <_av500_> did you try?
  • [18:29:36] <Guest19567> yaa...
  • [18:29:39] <_av500_> and?
  • [18:29:43] <Guest19567> with only one webcam
  • [18:29:48] <Guest19567> and it was working
  • [18:29:49] <_av500_> on BBB?
  • [18:29:51] <Guest19567> ya
  • [18:29:57] <_av500_> good
  • [18:29:57] <agmlego> Then try two.
  • [18:30:00] <Guest19567> using usb
  • [18:30:04] <agmlego> And get back to us on the results.
  • [18:30:26] <Guest19567> i have to give extra supply if i m connecting two webcam
  • [18:30:39] <agmlego> Yeah, probably.
  • [18:30:47] <Guest19567> ohk
  • [18:30:55] <agmlego> Generally a poor decision to power USB devices from the bone anyway.
  • [18:31:10] <Guest19567> ohk
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  • [18:31:37] <Guest19567> actully i also have to use a audio jack with two webcam
  • [18:31:57] <agmlego> So?
  • [18:32:23] <Guest19567> what u think if i connect all of them with usb , then it will be gud thing or should i connect some one with other usb or spi?
  • [18:32:43] <Guest19567> means i2c or spi
  • [18:33:07] <Humpelstilzchen> Guest19567: try with USB first
  • [18:34:03] <Guest19567> some one told me don't use usb it will be show, conect 2 camera and sound jack with i2c or spi. this this cool ?
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  • [18:34:29] <agmlego> Guest19567: I think the trouble here is, is you keep trying to think of USB, I2C, and SPI as equivalent data busses. THey really, really are not, and I *strongly* recommendreading the Wikipedia pages for each, in your native language and then in English, until you understand why.
  • [18:35:55] <Guest19567> ohk
  • [18:37:27] <agmlego> Maybe if you told us more of what your project actually is, we could be more useful to you.
  • [18:37:36] * m_billybob looks for firewire implementation over UART
  • [18:38:31] <Guest19567> actully i want to process the image with webcam and give the output using sound jack in 'Ear Phone '
  • [18:38:44] <agmlego> What output?
  • [18:39:10] <Humpelstilzchen> and what jack?
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  • [18:39:55] <Guest19567> after proocessing some image like a red ball , i tell user there is rad ball in Ear phone
  • [18:40:09] <agmlego> Ah.
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  • [18:41:00] <Guest19567> <agmlego > for this i m making a project
  • [18:41:52] <agmlego> Well, yeah, audio output is pretty easy to do either with a USB sound card or using the onboard audio hardware on the bone. THe bone supports I2S, or you could use the audio cape which appears to use I2C and SPI.
  • [18:42:47] <Humpelstilzchen> well one thing at a time, first image processing then audio
  • [18:42:47] <Guest19567> how can i connet audio cape in i2c oe spi
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  • [18:43:37] <_av500_> you cannot
  • [18:43:48] <_av500_> please stop throwing random buzzwords around
  • [18:43:51] <_av500_> educate yourseld
  • [18:43:54] <_av500_> yourself
  • [18:44:04] <_av500_> in this day and age, it is very easy to do so
  • [18:44:48] <Guest19567> nop i m asking for device like this which i serach for usb https://www.google.co.in/search?q=logitech+usb+to+3.5mm+jack+audio+adapter&newwindow=1&biw=1366&bih=667&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=xwUTVIy1B8yPuASd_YHoDw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ
  • [18:45:01] <Guest19567> like this or spi or i2c
  • [18:45:04] <_av500_> yes, that is one option
  • [18:45:11] <_av500_> STOP with I2C and SPI
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  • [18:45:33] <_av500_> please stop throwing random buzzwords around
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  • [18:45:41] <_av500_> go educate yourself
  • [18:45:42] <Guest19567> ohk
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  • [18:46:24] <Guest19567> by educate means what?
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  • [18:46:37] <_av500_> I give up
  • [18:46:42] <_av500_> have a nice day
  • [18:46:57] * _av500_ answers only to his beer from now on
  • [18:47:07] <m_billybob> heh
  • [18:47:17] <Guest19567> please tell bro
  • [18:47:24] <m_billybob> I bet you'd answer to mine if i sent you one :P
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  • [18:47:44] <Guest19567> ok
  • [18:47:55] <m_billybob> Guest19567, you're being difficult, go educate yourself
  • [18:48:28] <agmlego> Guest19567: Stop talking here, right now, and read the WIkipedia pages on USB, I2C, and SPI. DO not come back until you fully understand all three, and why you continually treating them as equivalent is pissing off the people you are trying to get help from.
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  • [18:49:01] <agmlego> Guest19567: Seriously, everyone here is starting to hate you a little because you are refusing to do anythign yourself.
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  • [18:49:33] <_av500_> Guest19567: free education: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvoGic3eig0
  • [18:50:08] <Guest19567> thanks
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  • [19:23:48] <bborg_builds> build #36 of runtests started (including [ed929a1234cdb21a07d9f8034277073e9cfa7976, 45aada52ba79c50ea8bdd366ab37e163067fa44e] and 43 more)
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  • [19:38:39] <Young_> Hi
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  • [19:40:40] <bborg_builds> build #36 of runtests is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://builds.beagleboard.org/builders/runtests/builds/36
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  • [19:57:58] <bgamari> It would be really nice if uboot ignored the value of the $(dtb) variable if USER is pressed
  • [19:58:21] <_av500_> patch it
  • [19:58:38] <bgamari> _av500_, I will do so once I can boot again
  • [19:58:55] <bgamari> it may be easier to just start with a new installation
  • [20:01:31] <bgamari> _av500_, Do you know which repository the uboot configuration is tracked in?
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  • [20:09:35] <_av500_> in uboot git
  • [20:09:36] <_av500_> no?
  • [20:09:44] <_av500_> BBB is fully supported there
  • [20:09:54] <_av500_> should be all there
  • [20:09:58] <_av500_> Tartarus: ^^^^
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  • [20:17:13] <Tartarus> Right
  • [20:17:16] <Tartarus> mainline is good
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  • [20:17:37] <Tartarus> If the user button is pressed on BBB the HW boots from SD not emmc
  • [20:17:45] <Tartarus> So you can do whatever you like in uEnv.txt
  • [20:17:49] <Tartarus> since that'll be read and parsed
  • [20:17:55] <Tartarus> you can re-whack fdtfile
  • [20:18:01] <Tartarus> hardcode a new bootcmd into uenvcmd
  • [20:18:04] <Tartarus> Go crazy :)
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  • [20:40:53] <challinan__> anyone around this friday? I'm trying to boot a black via microSD. Holding down the boot switch during a power cycle, as in the manual, results only in a continuous display of 'C' characters on the FTDI serial console. It boots find from eMMC. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
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  • [20:41:21] <veremit> CCCC means its not seeing the uSD .. have you tried to re0write it
  • [20:41:27] <veremit> or check its readable in another reader?
  • [20:41:38] <veremit> you shuol dbe able to see the FAT partition even in windoze
  • [20:41:55] <challinan__> or a mac even ;)
  • [20:42:01] <challinan__> i'll check, thanks for the info
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  • [20:42:48] <challinan> hmm, don't know why my nick was decorated with __
  • [20:43:12] <pumapops> does anyone know how capable the beaglebone black rev c would be at running a small phpbb installation
  • [20:43:41] <veremit> puma .. theoretically possible .. but performance wouldn't be too good .. depends on how many users I guess
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  • [20:44:24] <pumapops> users would be about 20 max registered and maybe 7 or 8 max online at the same time
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  • [20:46:32] <challinan> veremit: my uSD is readable. is the partitioning critical, i.e. must the FAT partition be a particular size? It contains MLO-beaglebone and u-boot.img
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  • [20:47:08] <veremit> its better if its an even number of flash blocks
  • [20:47:12] <veremit> round* number
  • [20:47:31] <veremit> might be worth just having a quick look at Rob Nelson's page at eewiki.net for how he does it
  • [20:48:13] <veremit> CCCC on console means its not finding U-boot if I recall correctly
  • [20:48:19] <challinan> ah, thanks. I have a dozen tabs open already, but missed that one. I formatted according to the release notes on yoctoproject.org, which is how I built my image
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  • [21:15:33] <challinan> ah ha. Rob's instructions worked. thanks veremit, now I'm getting errors I know how to handle ;)
  • [21:16:03] <veremit> awesome .. good stuff.. welcomes
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  • [22:16:13] <sheridp_> Does anyone know which of the SPI drivers from https://github.com/beagleboard/linux/tree/3.8/drivers/spi the beaglebone black uses? (repeating because of server split)
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  • [22:17:09] <_av500_> spi-omap2-mcspi.c
  • [22:17:11] <_av500_> I guess
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  • [22:46:06] <dogrocket> anyone know what best wifi usb dongle is best to use on beagle?
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  • [23:01:31] <agmlego> Which this?
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