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  • [01:13:32] <Abhishek1> is there a way I can cause all log messages to be dumped in a ssh window as they arrive?
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  • [01:44:55] <ragnar76> Abhishek1: should work on the same way i use tcpdump/wireshark; ssh root@192.168.1.1 tcpdump -iany -U -s0 -w - 'not port 22' | wireshark -k -i -
  • [01:46:01] <ragnar76> Abhishek1: ssh root@192.168.1.1 $command
  • [01:47:18] <Abhishek1> ragnar76: I didn't quite get the hang of the command you wrote
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  • [01:47:57] <ragnar76> Abhishek1: you tell ssh to start a command and see the output on your laptop
  • [01:49:01] <Abhishek1> what I actually wanted was that all the kernel debug messages get printed onto a ssh so that I can see them as they appear
  • [01:49:21] <Abhishek1> (kernel messages from the beaglebone)
  • [01:50:36] <veremit> serial debug ftw :D
  • [01:50:49] <veremit> minicom/etc
  • [01:51:28] <Abhishek1> do the messages echo to all tty's?
  • [01:51:31] <ragnar76> Abhishek1: this should work with: ssh root@arm less +F /var/log/messages
  • [01:52:35] <ragnar76> veremit: or that way but you need an ftdi
  • [01:52:54] <veremit> hmm well I guess I had a propellor plug handy :D
  • [01:53:02] <veremit> but serial debug cables are cheap
  • [01:53:16] <ragnar76> they are. less than 5 bucks
  • [01:53:35] <veremit> and very useful
  • [01:55:46] <ragnar76> Abhishek1: this one works too (in case your less cannot follow): ssh root@$device tail -f /var/log/messages
  • [01:57:03] <ragnar76> however. gn8
  • [01:57:12] <Abhishek1> ah yes, it works. gn9
  • [01:57:15] <Abhishek1> thanks!
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  • [02:22:09] <jlusby> hello all, I have a problem I'm having trouble solving.
  • [02:22:30] <jlusby> I need to get wifi on a beagleboard black without using usb and none of the capes seem functional
  • [02:22:40] <jlusby> i mean, compatible
  • [02:23:29] <jlusby> does anyone know of any other options or caps that arn't listed on http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Capes
  • [02:23:54] <jlusby> capes*
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  • [02:33:19] <smurray> jlusby: I see a few options
  • [02:33:29] <jlusby> I'd settle for any beaglebone black wifi external antenna cape, does anyone know if one of those exists? I cannot use the WL1835MOD_w/_Chip_Antenna because the chip antenna wont work for our application
  • [02:33:48] <smurray> okay, that was the first thing I was going to link to
  • [02:33:55] <jlusby> lol yea
  • [02:33:59] <jlusby> I already kinda ruled that one out
  • [02:34:06] <jlusby> and all the tiwi's are incompatible with the bbb
  • [02:34:08] <jlusby> :(
  • [02:34:25] <jlusby> what I am going to try is the HF-A11 eval kit
  • [02:34:29] <smurray> the other off the shelf two options look like the USB hub cape, and the Arduino shield cape
  • [02:34:52] <jlusby> yea we cant do the usb hub cape because all the usb bandwidth needs to be devoted to high def cameras
  • [02:35:13] <jlusby> arduino shield cape is an option, but then things start to get heavy
  • [02:35:29] <jlusby> this is going on a quadcopter so we are trying to save as much weight as possible
  • [02:35:35] <smurray> that's probably the most s/w tinkering required option as well
  • [02:35:44] <jlusby> s/w
  • [02:35:46] <jlusby> ?
  • [02:35:48] <jlusby> whats that mean
  • [02:35:51] <smurray> software
  • [02:35:55] <jlusby> yea
  • [02:36:46] <jlusby> so you don't know of any options other than use an arduino cape + adapter?
  • [02:37:46] <jlusby> i guess we could do two beaglebones and use the usb adapter for the second one for wifi...
  • [02:37:52] <jlusby> thats the only other option I can think of
  • [02:37:52] <smurray> what rules out USB?
  • [02:38:02] <jlusby> bandwidth
  • [02:38:02] <smurray> on a single BBB, I mean
  • [02:38:11] <jlusby> we need to plug in two cameras
  • [02:38:14] <jlusby> we're not even sure we can do that
  • [02:38:19] <smurray> ah, two cameras, not one
  • [02:38:23] <jlusby> yea
  • [02:38:25] <jlusby> lots of pixels
  • [02:38:34] <jlusby> and this is all going on a quadcopter
  • [02:38:36] <smurray> no compression in them?
  • [02:38:39] <jlusby> so it needs to be lightweight as possible
  • [02:38:43] <jlusby> there will be some compression I think
  • [02:38:50] <jlusby> but we need it to be lossless
  • [02:38:59] <jlusby> so not a ton of compression between the cameras and the bbb
  • [02:39:02] <veremit> asking alot from the am339x :p
  • [02:39:05] <jlusby> so its going to eat up a lot of the usb bandwidth
  • [02:39:08] <smurray> yeah, was thinking that
  • [02:39:12] <jlusby> am339x?
  • [02:39:17] <veremit> 5x
  • [02:39:24] <veremit> xx59 isn't it ..
  • [02:39:42] <smurray> 3359 or 3358 on the newer boards
  • [02:39:45] <jlusby> you guys lost me
  • [02:40:06] <veremit> my point is .. maybe you should look for a beefier board :p
  • [02:40:10] <smurray> the part number of the TI SoC
  • [02:40:36] <jlusby> aah
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  • [02:41:02] <smurray> have you tested capturing?
  • [02:41:13] <jlusby> we're still in the process of picking the camera
  • [02:41:14] <smurray> with the two cameras, I mean
  • [02:41:15] <jlusby> well
  • [02:41:23] <jlusby> we're starting this all simultaniously trying to plan it all and jump into it
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  • [02:46:36] <smurray> so the plan is to broadcast the two camera feeds to the ground station via wifi, is that correct?
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  • [02:46:51] <veremit> wow thats bold lol
  • [02:47:14] <veremit> all over usb?!
  • [02:47:23] * veremit runs for the hills lol
  • [02:51:08] <jlusby> uum, no not exactly
  • [02:51:14] <jlusby> the plan is to take two camerafeeds
  • [02:51:20] <jlusby> do some processing to figure out height
  • [02:51:32] <jlusby> and then send a compressed version of the feeds to the ground over wifi,
  • [02:51:37] <jlusby> the cameras get the usb
  • [02:51:53] <jlusby> the wifi gets whatever is left, right now our best idea is to send it out over an ethernet - wifi bridge
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  • [02:52:29] <smurray> yeah, that did occur to me
  • [02:52:41] <jlusby> thats the HF-A11 thing i was talking about earlier
  • [02:53:00] <jlusby> its a ethernet wifi bridge that has an external ufl antenna plug
  • [02:53:03] <jlusby> an
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  • [02:57:25] <smurray> I think you'll need to prototype a bit
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  • [03:07:55] <smurray> jlusby: the schematics for the WL1835MOD_w/_Chip_Antenna cape show unpopulated external antenna connectors, it might be possible to mod it for your purposes
  • [03:08:48] <smurray> jlusby: might be worth sending an email to circuitco asking
  • [03:10:30] <jlusby> alright, cool ty smurray
  • [03:11:12] <smurray> no problem, good luck with your project
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  • [04:10:00] <AE7IK> So, is the RevC actually shipping from anywhere yet?
  • [04:10:41] <AE7IK> Or did they just ship ever last unit they had all at once the first go-around?
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  • [08:46:35] <markusr> What is the status of mainlining the kernel drivers of BBB? Is there somewhere an overview?
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  • [09:04:12] <tbr> markusr: you could probably ask on the beagle list
  • [09:04:26] <tbr> but recent kernels have been getting a lot of good things AFAIU
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  • [09:04:44] <tbr> someone even mumbled something about working musb hotplug
  • [09:05:21] <woglinde> tbr lol
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  • [09:07:21] <markusr> ok. I will ask the mailing list
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  • [09:29:55] <das> http://arxiv.org/pdf/1404.1499v2.pdf
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  • [12:15:58] <Ben___> hi, I'm having trouble using gdbserver under my BBB running debian. I always get the message that my gdbserver is not compiled with python support.
  • [12:16:39] <Ben___> where can I find an explanation to download/cross-compile gdbserver for debian armhf?
  • [12:17:25] <av500> does it need python?
  • [12:18:34] <Ben___> qtcreator debbugger says so...
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  • [12:19:36] <Ben___> thts the message from qtcreator: "The selected build of GDB does not support Python scripting. It cannot be used in Qt Creator."
  • [12:20:22] <Ben___> I already searched alot for this so I decided to compile my own gdbserver
  • [12:21:07] <Ben___> but I'm wondering how the configure statement is to crosscompile gdbserver using the linaro toolchain
  • [12:21:55] <Ben___> btw. i installed gdbserver on BBB using apt-get install from debian archives
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  • [12:23:12] <av500> so you have gdbsever on the bbb?
  • [12:24:08] <Ben___> yes
  • [12:24:30] <Ben___> apt-get install gdbserver
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  • [12:25:18] <Ben___> it tells me it's version 7.4.1
  • [12:25:32] <Ben___> 7.4.1-debian
  • [12:26:05] <av500> so, on the BB side you should be fine, no?
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  • [12:26:46] <Ben___> i think on bbb side it should work, but it's missing python scripting support
  • [12:27:29] <av500> this error message is on the PC?
  • [12:27:31] <av500> no?
  • [12:27:33] <Ben___> I downloaded gdb sourcec 7.4.1 and tried to configure: ./configure --host=arm-linux-gnueabi --prefix=/usr/local/gdbserver-python --with-python
  • [12:27:49] <Ben___> yess error message from my debian vm
  • [12:27:52] <av500> so
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  • [12:28:02] <av500> you have a debian problem on your PC
  • [12:28:06] <av500> not on the BBB
  • [12:28:07] <av500> no?
  • [12:28:20] <Ben___> the configure output says :: checking whether we are cross compiling... no
  • [12:28:43] <Ben___> configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --with-python
  • [12:28:48] <av500> can you start gdbserver on BBB or not?
  • [12:29:21] <Ben___> yes I can start gdbserver on BBB
  • [12:29:54] <av500> so why do you want to cross compile it?
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  • [12:30:29] <Ben___> I want to compile it because it seems it has no python scripting support
  • [12:30:41] <Ben___> btw. python is installed on bbb too
  • [12:30:47] <av500> I think scripting is on the client side
  • [12:30:49] <av500> on your PC
  • [12:30:58] <av500> where you run your QT foo
  • [12:31:33] <Ben___> qtcreator is invoking it, so I cant really tell where exactly its located
  • [12:32:08] <Ben___> I'm using a debian wheezy vm running qtcreator
  • [12:33:21] <av500> http://qt-project.org/forums/viewthread/42848
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  • [12:37:40] <Ben___> OK, that read I try to compile gdb with python. Maybe you are right and the problem is on my HOST. -- I'll be back.
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  • [12:40:39] <Peanut> Question: with Debian, using only the USB connector, is the BBB running at a lower clock speed than 1GHz?
  • [12:43:25] <Abhishek_> Peanut: check with "cpufreq" on the shell
  • [12:43:59] <Abhishek_> If it isn't 1 GHz, you can force it with the same command
  • [12:44:09] <Peanut> Abhishek_: thanks - I don't have the machine on my at the moment, trying to decide if I need to buy a 5V PSU or not.
  • [12:44:30] <nyt-> Peanut: no
  • [12:44:45] <nyt-> bbb will run full speed on usb
  • [12:45:05] <Peanut> nyt: thanks
  • [12:45:14] <Letothe2nd> Peanut: see http://paste.debian.net/103373/
  • [12:45:21] <Letothe2nd> should be 1GHz on demand
  • [12:46:34] <Peanut> Letothe2nd: I'll give that a try as soon as I am home then.
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  • [12:57:37] <dogrocket> jkridner: im still having issues with davinci-evm.c not compiling in module mode... ive tried to add definition for struct it says is missing but getting similar errors
  • [12:59:38] <dogrocket> jkridner: i also need to know what are the differences between 3.8 and 3.14 please, saying one is better for capes and other has better usb/enet doesnt tell me enough
  • [13:01:13] <jkridner> hi dogrocket
  • [13:01:21] <dogrocket> heyo
  • [13:01:29] * jkridner just finished building the kernel
  • [13:01:48] <jkridner> was going to look at your defconfig now.
  • [13:01:56] <jkridner> what's the main thing you were trying to turn on?
  • [13:01:59] <dogrocket> ok... whats prognosis doc?
  • [13:03:12] <dogrocket> i need to get alsa - soc working so i can talk to a codec with i2s, was told by soc guy because we dont know how things are gonna work out yet we should do all alsa-soc as modules in case we need to fix things
  • [13:04:04] <dogrocket> so i just turned everything soc audio to modules, and its breakin :P
  • [13:06:17] <dogrocket> i believe i even saw an error with soc in non-module mode but it wasnt enough to break build
  • [13:06:29] <Abhishek_> dogrocket: yep, turning stuff to a module breaks because those #defines are "blank" when the stuff compiled in and are resolved only when compiling as modules
  • [13:07:30] <jkridner> yeah, some of that stuff is broken for as-modules.
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  • [13:09:06] <dogrocket> well i at least need to do codec drivers as modules, and plug codec in and see what happens..
  • [13:09:40] <jkridner> I was able to add additional drivers as modules.
  • [13:11:01] <jkridner> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7587380 built fine for me
  • [13:11:03] <dogrocket> ok... will try it
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  • [13:16:56] <dogrocket> any way to restart build from where it broke?
  • [13:17:12] <dogrocket> kernel-hacker :P
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  • [13:17:39] <dogrocket> oh... nvm, duh gotta change config
  • [13:17:58] <Abhishek_> if you change that you won't be able to resume then
  • [13:18:31] <dogrocket> yepper... fixed file, starting build over
  • [13:19:36] <thurgood> shouldn't have to start over for a minor config change
  • [13:20:07] <thurgood> the make system should be smart enough to figure out what has changed and rebuild those portions only
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  • [14:25:50] <sla_> hi all! :) how are you? :) I have a question. I have to implement my own OS (bare metal). I have configured my MMU and currently I am trying to implement the ethernet driver using Lwip (like in the StarterWare example). My problem is, that I get a dabt-interrupt, when I try to read a variable. But the behavior is very strange, because when I read the value using CCSv5 Expression view there is no problem. I can see the value clearly.
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  • [14:26:16] <sla_> Does anybody has a clue about why I can read the variable using the expression view but I cannot access it in code?
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  • [14:44:30] <pjustice> properly word-aligned?
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  • [14:54:35] <sla_> @pjustice do you mean me?
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  • [14:55:39] <sla_> both values are of the same type - so it shouldnt be a problem I guess
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  • [15:01:33] <pjustice> Well, data aborts apparently occur for three reasons. One is a write scenario, so not relevant. The other two are unaligned access, and access to a reserved area. Knowing that CCS EV is kinda useful, in that you know it can be done, but only kinda, because you don't know _how_ it's doing it. Therefore, I'd guess that either you've arranged for an unaligned access, or that the address you _think_ points to ...
  • [15:01:39] <pjustice> ... your variable is wrong, or got damaged by some other code bug
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  • [15:15:00] <sla_> okay - thanks for the info
  • [15:15:04] <sla_> i will check that
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  • [15:26:34] <Guest81317> hi
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  • [15:29:11] <sla_> hi
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  • [15:30:04] <Guest81317> ok so i have a project due this week and just need help starting it.
  • [15:30:31] <Guest81317> You will want to use cherrypy framework for the beaglebone server. www.cherrypy.org So here are the tasks: 1. Generate an HTML "GUI" to control the VDB (TI board) 2. Implement the CherryPy server 3. Implement the SPI communication protocol
  • [15:32:01] * Letothe2nd really loves the sound of deadlines swooshing by!
  • [15:32:10] <jonand> wow, kids of today have so much fun at school!
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  • [15:35:53] <jkridner|work> dogrocket: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7588249/ build all modules for me just fine
  • [15:36:16] <dogrocket> ok.. checking it out
  • [15:36:56] <Letothe2nd> Guest81317: honestly - break down the project in parts you can handle. start with the first one, and once you hit a road block, ask again about the specific problem. nobody here will handhold you for your "project"
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  • [15:38:25] <Guest81317> ok, so the part that i would really need help is implementing the SPI
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  • [15:39:02] <Letothe2nd> Guest81317: there is the spidev driver, that you can poke directly from userspace. little magic there.
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  • [15:40:16] <Letothe2nd> Guest81317: see http://www.armbedded.eu/node/318, starting from "Using the SPI User Mode Device Driver"
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  • [15:41:36] <Guest81317> I just made the connections with the beaglebone, (BB pins) 28 - 9 (AArdvark I2C/SPI) - (BB pins) 29- 5 (AArdvark I2C/SPI) -(BB pins) - 30-8 (AArdvark I2C/SPI) - (BB pins) 31 -7 (AArdvark I2C/SPI) 1-2 and 3-6
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  • [15:43:57] <dogrocket> jkridner: man im not having any luck... is this because i disabled all capes but left cape management enabled?
  • [15:44:02] <dogrocket> drivers/built-in.o: In function `bone_iio_helper_remove':
  • [15:44:03] <dogrocket> :(.text+0x6c82a): undefined reference to `iio_channel_release'
  • [15:44:03] <dogrocket> drivers/built-in.o: In function `bone_iio_helper_probe':
  • [15:44:03] <dogrocket> :(.text+0x6c90a): undefined reference to `iio_channel_get'
  • [15:44:03] <dogrocket> :(.text+0x6c992): undefined reference to `iio_channel_release'
  • [15:44:03] <dogrocket> drivers/built-in.o: In function `iio_helper_show_mvolts':
  • [15:44:05] <dogrocket> :(.text+0x6ca9e): undefined reference to `iio_read_channel_raw'
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  • [15:44:59] <dogrocket> it was at last step... :/
  • [15:45:21] <dogrocket> LINK vmlinux
  • [15:45:21] <dogrocket> LD vmlinux.o
  • [15:45:21] <dogrocket> MODPOST vmlinux.o
  • [15:45:21] <dogrocket> WARNING: modpost: Found 1 section mismatch(es).
  • [15:45:21] <dogrocket> To see full details build your kernel with:
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  • [15:45:22] <dogrocket> 'make CONFIG_DEBUG_SECTION_MISMATCH=y'
  • [15:45:26] <dogrocket> GEN .version
  • [15:45:28] <dogrocket> CHK include/generated/compile.h
  • [15:45:30] <dogrocket> UPD include/generated/compile.h
  • [15:45:32] <dogrocket> CC init/version.o
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  • [15:45:34] <dogrocket> LD init/built-in.o
  • [15:45:36] <dogrocket> drivers/built-in.o: In function `bone_iio_helper_remove':
  • [15:45:42] <dogrocket> :(.text+0x6c82a): undefined reference to `iio_channel_release'
  • [15:46:15] <Letothe2nd> Guest81317: well then mux/enable spi first, and then be inspired by the above link
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  • [15:50:17] <Guest81317> To be honest , i started working on beagelbone 5 days ago, for the first time, same with python which is the language i have to use. And right now I am really confused
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  • [15:57:30] <Letothe2nd> Guest81317: then maybe complete everything but the spi part first.
  • [15:58:07] <Letothe2nd> Guest81317: besides, http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_Black_Enable_SPIDEV looks pretty good.
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  • [16:06:59] <jkridner|work> dogrocket: http://jkridner.wordpress.com/2014/06/04/yet-another-set-of-notes-on-building-beaglebone-kernel/
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  • [16:08:11] <jkridner> dogrocket: can you start over again and only make 1 defconfig change at a time or minimize the defconfig changes?
  • [16:08:58] <jkridner> you might or might not be running into real bugs (likely are), but don't necessarily need to be running into them and reporting them will be easier if you change fewer things at once.
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  • [16:16:17] <Guest81317> CAN YOU GIVE ME YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, IF I HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS PLEASE
  • [16:17:42] <dogrocket> jkridnet: ok.. im going to use your paste, and do i simply copy over defconfig and not .config before build?
  • [16:18:13] <dogrocket> jkrider: rather
  • [16:18:22] <dogrocket> lol... aah
  • [16:20:02] <dogrocket> jkridner: i reloaded every thing from square 1. uboot , device trees... etc gonna try this again
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  • [16:33:33] <dogrocket> jkridner: doing build, i only removed multimedia devices from your config
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  • [16:52:19] <SiC> wow its terribly/surprisingly difficult to get hold of a BBB
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  • [16:52:29] * SiC wishes he bought one a couple of months ago when you could
  • [16:52:46] <SiC> how many units have been sold so far on the BBB?
  • [16:54:07] <Letothe2nd> Guest81317: certainly no. come back here and ask.
  • [16:54:38] <dogrocket> jkridner: ok build went ok, if i need to make some changes can i just do make command?
  • [16:54:58] <agmlego> SiC: Eight billion.
  • [16:55:13] <agmlego> SiC: And you still can, just order one and wait. Like the topic says.
  • [16:56:14] <SiC> so theres more BBB than 1pp in the world? ;)
  • [16:56:27] <SiC> but yea, I've just put in my order
  • [16:56:34] <SiC> one more to add to the backlog :p
  • [16:57:22] <jkridner> dogrocket: you need to include the ARCH= etc. arguments after editing .config. Best to use 'menuconfig' or 'xconfig' or something like that than to edit by hand.
  • [16:57:54] <dogrocket> ok... i see your notes now... thank you
  • [16:58:32] <agmlego> SiC: The backlog is not as deep as people think. People at my hackerspace have been getting theirs in reasonably quickly.
  • [16:58:41] <SiC> yea I did wonder that
  • [16:58:41] <SiC> http://cpc.farnell.com/circuitco/bb-bblk-000/beaglebone-black-cortex-a8-dev/dp/SC13013 || http://cpc.farnell.com/element14/bbone-black/beaglebone-black-cortex-a8-sbc/dp/SC13391
  • [16:58:46] <SiC> whats the difference between the two?
  • [16:58:51] <SiC> is it just the manufacturer?
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  • [16:59:03] <SiC> I saw on the blog that E14 is manu them now?
  • [16:59:18] <agmlego> Yeah, neither of those links work.
  • [16:59:26] <SiC> oh ok srory
  • [16:59:28] <agmlego> Oh...speaking of hackerspaces.
  • [16:59:32] <thurgood> initially I read that the element 14 board was for asian markets only, is that still true?
  • [16:59:39] <SiC> both work for me
  • [17:00:10] <SiC> the e14 board is a AM3358 vs the other which is AM3359
  • [17:00:13] <agmlego> jkridner: Are you still working on that 3D printer project? Do you still need assistance? I might be able to help in the coming weeks if I get a day or so notice. ;-P
  • [17:00:37] <agmlego> SiC: Well, I think you just answered your own question. ;-P
  • [17:00:58] <SiC> whats the difference between them?
  • [17:01:08] <jkridner> agmlego: yes. Unfortunately, I'm on travel all next week. The week after would be good to sit down at i3 and hack through it, if you have some time.
  • [17:01:15] <SiC> spec looks pretty much identical
  • [17:01:26] <agmlego> SiC: YOu just said, one uses an AM3358 and one uses an AM3359.
  • [17:01:43] <thurgood> do both support gles?
  • [17:02:33] <agmlego> jkridner: So, weekend of the 14th or so?
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  • [17:02:58] <agmlego> thurgood: I am sure that is in their respective datasheets.
  • [17:03:11] <SiC> agmlego: so whats the difference apart from model numbers?
  • [17:03:15] <SiC> their specs look identical
  • [17:03:36] <agmlego> SiC: There must be a difference, or there would not be a change in model. Read the datasheets.
  • [17:03:43] <SiC> unhelpful :/
  • [17:04:11] <agmlego> SiC: Never said I was going to give you an answer, especially when it is one I do not myself know.
  • [17:04:21] <agmlego> SiC: THis channel is all about the self-help.
  • [17:04:21] <SiC> don't you think I've had a flick through the datasheets already?
  • [17:04:38] <agmlego> SiC: Basedf on 99% of the people who come in this channel and ask for help? No.
  • [17:04:59] <jkridner> agmlego: I get back on Father's day... so during that week or the next weekend.
  • [17:05:34] <SiC> well instead of saying go RTM, it's common curtosy to either say don't know, or not respond. as we all know, smart-arse answers only get peoples backs up ):
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  • [17:05:51] <agmlego> SiC: Has not really been an issue in this channel, to be honest.
  • [17:06:02] <agmlego> jkridner: Mmm, OK.
  • [17:06:08] <dogrocket> jkridner: if following roberts eewiki instructions this works for remake make -j8 ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=${CC}
  • [17:06:19] <SiC> hardly welcoming for newcomers tbh
  • [17:06:41] <agmlego> jkridner: So the weekend of the 21th, then, unless I have some free time during the week preceeding.
  • [17:06:51] <agmlego> SiC: Is that the goal of this channel?
  • [17:07:53] <SiC> what, to be not friendly, welcoming and helpful to newcomers?
  • [17:07:58] <SiC> anyway this is a silly argument
  • [17:08:17] <SiC> going back to the original point, the datasheets don't make it clear what the differences are
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  • [17:08:33] <jkridner> thanks agmlego
  • [17:08:40] <agmlego> SiC: Then it probably does not matter.
  • [17:08:44] <agmlego> jkridner: No problem.
  • [17:08:49] <SiC> the AM3359/AM3358 are all listed on the same datasheet, but with no clear differences
  • [17:09:28] <SiC> surely if TI label their silicon under different part no., there must be something in there
  • [17:09:42] <jkridner> SiC: I think the only notable difference is EtherCAT support.
  • [17:09:49] <SiC> ah ok thanks jkridner
  • [17:09:57] <dogrocket> actual difference is in ability of CAN network usage, new chip has it removed
  • [17:10:00] <agmlego> SiC: So, the first result on Google for "AM3359 vs AM3358" is http://e2e.ti.com/support/arm/sitara_arm/f/791/t/221700.aspx
  • [17:10:01] <jkridner> And, I don't think there is a 1GHz version of AM3359
  • [17:10:11] <dogrocket> no other changes
  • [17:10:21] <SiC> on the MSP430 datasheets, they usually have a nice little table of the differences between parts in the family
  • [17:10:25] <agmlego> SiC: That link states that the AM3358 has multiple speed grades, while the AM3359 has one speed grade and EtherCAT.
  • [17:11:46] <agmlego> SiC: So, yes, I get a little bristly when I, having no knowledge of the subject, can find the answer in literally 17 keystrokes and a mouse click.
  • [17:11:57] <dogrocket> agmlego: sorry meant Ethercat, your right..
  • [17:12:11] <agmlego> dogrocket: No worries, I literally just looked it up.
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  • [17:19:31] <SiC> http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack#Board_Revisions_and_Changes
  • [17:19:45] <SiC> thats what I'm looking for
  • [17:19:53] <SiC> "This version moves to the AM3358BZCZ100 processor as we are no longer able to get the limited production version of the AM3359AZCZ100. No changes in features or operation of the board resulted from this change."
  • [17:20:27] <SiC> on a Rev B board
  • [17:20:33] <SiC> (incase anyone else is following along)
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  • [17:49:44] <AE7IK> Hmm, AM3359 is listed as being an 800mhz part... and BBB revC is running it at 1ghz, or am I missing something?
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  • [17:54:16] <Abhishek_> that's XAM3359AZCZ , the "X" was a limited edition part and they switched to AM3358 for Rev B from A6A
  • [17:56:36] <SiC> ah
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  • [18:00:22] <AE7IK> Oh, wait, they switched FROM the AM3359 to the AM3358.
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  • [18:01:21] <AE7IK> Either way, one of the two parts doesn't have a 1ghz version, yet it was/is being run at 1ghz?
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  • [18:04:22] <AE7IK> I must be screwing something up, revB on adafruit says 3359, revc 3358, both are 1ghz, but it would make sense if the A6A was 800mhz and a 3359 and both RevB and RevC are 3358 and 1ghz, with the eMMC being the B->C revision...
  • [18:05:14] <AE7IK> (As the A6A is listed as being a 700mhz board it seems according to google)
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  • [18:17:53] <tbr> AE7IK: maybe they qualified the part they are using for 1GHz
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  • [18:25:20] <H-H-H> are you confusing the beaglebone with the beaglebone black ?
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  • [18:32:21] <H-H-H> sometimes my own stupidity makes me wonder how i got as far as i did lol
  • [18:33:08] <H-H-H> i just sat scratching my head trying to figure out why my beaglebone was not booting of sd card when i suddenly realised i didnt set the boot flag on the boot partition lol
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  • [18:42:22] <vagrantc> partition boot flags aren't really relevent to most operating systems...
  • [18:43:15] <tbr> except that ROMBL checks it IIRC
  • [18:43:16] <_av500_> they are to the TI ROM code
  • [18:43:24] * tbr high-fives _av500_
  • [18:43:33] <vagrantc> huh. surprise.
  • [18:43:40] <H-H-H> i was just thinking they are to most bios,s and most boot rom code
  • [18:43:53] <tbr> nnnnnobody expects the spanish inquisition!
  • [18:44:17] <vagrantc> i'm pretty certain i've booted a beagleboneblack from an SD card without the boot flag set on the partition...
  • [18:44:31] <_av500_> you did not
  • [18:44:44] <_av500_> there is no reasoning with the ROM code
  • [18:44:57] <ds2> yes there is
  • [18:45:01] <vagrantc> maybe if i talk louder it will listen
  • [18:45:01] <ds2> mr rom, meet mr laser
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  • [18:45:39] <tbr> what might give you the impression though: SD card gets ignored, eMMC kicks in, emmc u-boot finds SD, boots from that
  • [18:45:56] <H-H-H> bah i was just typing that lol
  • [18:46:49] <vagrantc> tbr: yes, that's what i'm assuming happened...
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  • [18:59:30] <nyt-> hi
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  • [20:04:36] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] RobertCNelson pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/3-SMZQ
  • [20:04:36] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 7f2f39d Robert Nelson: 3.8: merge in all cape changes up to bone56...
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  • [20:10:58] <bzyx> hmm can somebody tell me which clock in the am33xx-clocks.dtsi is the ARM (ARM_FCLK) from TRM? I've no idea how to connect clocks from that file to TRM :(
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  • [20:29:18] <joel_> av500, https://github.com/joelagnel/microsd-switch/raw/master/microsd-switch.pdf
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