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  • [00:02:44] <sdegutis> oops
  • [00:02:46] <sdegutis> just ruined my bbb
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  • [00:05:57] <ion> aww
  • [00:06:16] <sdegutis> well not "ruined"
  • [00:06:35] <sdegutis> I followed the update instructions it comes with on README.htm when you mount it, which are the same as this: http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/latest/README.htm
  • [00:06:39] <N2TOH> what's the fastest way to restore angstrom?
  • [00:07:27] <sdegutis> And now the web server isn't running, the disk won't auto-mount (probably wont mount at all), and the lights aren't doing their originally programmed blinking patterns.
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  • [00:21:50] <sdegutis> Ooooh.
  • [00:21:51] <sdegutis> Figured it out.
  • [00:22:26] <sdegutis> I accidentally overwrote the eMMC with what was supposed to go on the SD card.
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  • [00:23:05] <sdegutis> Heh.
  • [00:23:20] <sdegutis> I overwrote my beaglebone's OS by accident.
  • [00:24:01] <ds2> unless you are playing with HW, you can't quite ruin it.
  • [00:24:26] <sdegutis> Yeah, it's probably reversible. Somehow.
  • [00:24:56] <sdegutis> Is the "eMMC" the disk that the BeagleBone Black uses as file storage?
  • [00:26:40] <sdegutis> Yep, I overwrote my BeagleBone Black's on-board flash storage with the contents of BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.09.04.img
  • [00:26:49] <sdegutis> Now it doesn't boot or anything. It just sits there like a brick.
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  • [00:33:46] <wmat> sdegutis: reflash it
  • [00:35:38] <sdegutis> Okay, going to buy a microSD card now.
  • [00:35:50] <sdegutis> wmat: Can you point me to some instructions on how to do that please?
  • [00:35:51] <sdegutis> Thank you.
  • [00:37:29] <ds2> eMMC is nothing more then a SD card that is soldered on there.
  • [00:37:38] <ds2> eLinux.org should have some
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  • [00:42:21] <wmat> sdegutis: yes, gimme a sec
  • [00:45:32] <wmat> sdegutis: http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:Updating_The_Software
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  • [00:48:00] <ZiNC> No privacy concerns? :)
  • [00:48:52] <ZiNC> On one hand features that are easy to add and work well are nice.
  • [00:49:21] <ZiNC> On the other, it's giving all those 3rd parties, Google or others, inside info.
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  • [01:07:29] <wmat> inside info?
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  • [01:09:44] <s5fs> ZiNC: isps are tracking and selling your surfing habits
  • [01:09:46] <ZiNC> Relatively. Collecting stats on site traffic, and possibly user navigation patterns.
  • [01:10:04] <ZiNC> Is that even legal?
  • [01:10:15] <s5fs> what would make it illegal?
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  • [01:10:21] <ZiNC> For ISPs?
  • [01:10:34] <s5fs> sure, but what laws are they breaking?
  • [01:10:37] <ZiNC> That's like the telco selling to others info on who I called.
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  • [01:10:53] <s5fs> pretty sure they do that too
  • [01:10:58] <ZiNC> I'm not a lawyer. :)
  • [01:11:16] <s5fs> nor am i
  • [01:11:27] <s5fs> i also assume law varies by country
  • [01:11:43] <ZiNC> Yeah
  • [01:12:35] <s5fs> ZiNC: http://www.fcc.gov/guides/protecting-your-telephone-calling-records
  • [01:12:43] <s5fs> totally legit to sell your calling and surfing history
  • [01:12:58] <s5fs> "Telephone companies and VoIP providers may use, disclose or permit access to your customer information in these circumstances: (1) as required by law; (2) with your approval; and (3) in providing the service from which the customer information is derived"
  • [01:13:51] <s5fs> most likely we agreed to 2 via tos and 3 is pretty clear since we pay the telco to provide the service
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  • [01:14:58] <ZiNC> I don't think 2 would work like that. Probably has to be specific approval for that. If it's grouped in the basic contract for the service it becomes meaningless.
  • [01:15:30] <ZiNC> BTW, here, for example, I can't get from the telco info on incoming calls, only outgoing.
  • [01:15:35] <s5fs> even so, item 3 is still likely valid
  • [01:15:58] <s5fs> they most likely sell the data in bulk or sell reports on the data, that sort of thing
  • [01:16:00] <ZiNC> Yeah. But that's for the telco's internal use.
  • [01:16:16] <s5fs> "permit access to" implies a 3rd party
  • [01:16:17] <ZiNC> Anonymous data is probably a separate thing.
  • [01:16:19] <s5fs> imho anyways
  • [01:16:21] <ZiNC> Aggregate, at least.
  • [01:17:06] <s5fs> yeah i don't know
  • [01:17:31] <s5fs> i personally hate the idea of my activities being tracked and monetized
  • [01:17:42] <s5fs> its not like my bills are reduced
  • [01:18:05] <ZiNC> For things like Google I'd think they are.
  • [01:20:01] <s5fs> i don't pay for any google services
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  • [01:20:20] <s5fs> i get services, they get data
  • [01:20:25] <s5fs> i'm okay with that arrangement
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  • [01:23:55] <ds2> so you're a cheap whore?
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  • [01:27:55] <s5fs> ds2: lets keep it clean in here please
  • [01:30:38] <ds2> :P
  • [01:30:44] <s5fs> :D
  • [01:31:27] <s5fs> i'm going on 10 days with less than 5hrs/night sleep due to my road warrior schedule
  • [01:31:42] <s5fs> i return home tomm, no work thurs/fri, prob gunna hibernate until the weekend
  • [01:31:43] <ds2> s5fs: see dilbert?
  • [01:32:02] <s5fs> ds2: ouch spot on
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  • [01:54:52] <sdegutis_> What are the electrostatic safety procedures for a BeagleBone Black?
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  • [02:17:02] <wmat> sdegutis: just your general electronic basic safety procedures
  • [02:18:10] <ds2> do not touch it while walking on wool carpet with rubber sole shoes and one hand on a running van degraff generator :D
  • [02:19:46] <sdegutis> Wow, how long is 'sudo dd' supposed to take?
  • [02:19:56] <sdegutis> Been going on 30 mins now.
  • [02:20:24] <sdegutis> Oh dang, I forgot the "r".
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  • [02:47:14] <igfawfohwa> Having trouble logging in
  • [02:47:23] <igfawfohwa> I just booted my Beaglebone for the first time w/ an external display
  • [02:47:34] <igfawfohwa> Tried logging in as user 'root' with empty password, didn't work
  • [02:48:50] <sdegutis> Finally restoring it. Yay.
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  • [02:53:26] <igfawfohwa> Nevermind, changed root password from empty, worked
  • [02:53:36] <igfawfohwa> Why not set a default root password that works? Like "root"
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  • [05:28:10] <kishor> I am using beaglebone black board. I want to know what is the status of the pins of processors at power up (Or after reset) ??
  • [05:28:41] <av500> it depends
  • [05:29:03] <av500> you mean GPIOs?
  • [05:29:05] <av500> or all pins?
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  • [05:33:43] <kishor> All pins ??
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  • [05:39:35] <kishor> Actually my difficulty is as, I am using GPIOs as digital output (LED) on my hardware, and if status of GPIO is high during power on, the LED will glow, this is undesirable. Thats why I want to know the status of GPIO.
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  • [05:43:43] <thinkstu> I have beagleboard black, and once the USB connected to my computer I can't copy file to the MicroSD card
  • [05:43:55] <thinkstu> anyone can help ?
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  • [05:47:42] <thinkstu> ..
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  • [05:50:39] <Guest50368> I'm looking a way to compile Sakis3G without usb_modeswitch( I have it already), anyone care to tell?
  • [05:54:35] <thinkstu> Guest50368: it seems no one online :)
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  • [06:50:03] <waltersenekal> hi all
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  • [06:50:42] <waltersenekal> can anybody please help me to remove linux from my BBB
  • [06:51:08] <av500> ?
  • [06:51:12] <av500> and put windows?
  • [06:51:17] <av500> 1) boot from sd card
  • [06:51:22] <av500> 2) erase EMMC
  • [06:51:25] <av500> 3) remove SD card
  • [06:51:29] <av500> 4) no more Linux
  • [06:52:17] <waltersenekal> no I want to run TI-TROS
  • [06:52:30] <waltersenekal> yes how to remove eMMC?
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  • [06:52:44] <av500> with a crowbar?
  • [06:52:47] <av500> you cannot remove emmc
  • [06:52:50] <av500> you can erase it
  • [06:52:56] <waltersenekal> sorry not remove erease
  • [06:53:47] <waltersenekal> everytime i want to run ccs debug session i need to hold in the boot pin
  • [06:54:09] <waltersenekal> After a few times yhe button starts to hurt
  • [06:54:47] <waltersenekal> to if it cant bootup from emmc i think it will not be needed to press the boot button every time
  • [06:55:08] <waltersenekal> to => so
  • [06:57:01] <av500> yes
  • [06:57:08] <av500> just remove MLO from emmc
  • [06:57:33] <Vaizki> I think the boot button pulls down LCD_DATA2 which is on P8.43, you could also just pull that to ground with a jumper cable
  • [06:57:35] <waltersenekal> can you please tell me how to remove it from emmc
  • [06:57:39] <Vaizki> double check the schematics
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  • [07:08:00] <walter_senekal> how do i remove the MLO file from eMMC?
  • [07:08:37] <KotH> rm?
  • [07:09:29] <walter_senekal> there is lots of info on how to put somthing on
  • [07:11:18] <walter_senekal> so i use putty and just send rm mlo?
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  • [07:16:23] <KotH> walter_senekal: i think, you might first want to learn unix/linux basics
  • [07:16:38] <KotH> walter_senekal: you sound awfully like not knowing linux
  • [07:17:26] <LetoThe2nd> just place a pull down on the boot pin.
  • [07:18:30] <walter_senekal> thanks that would work but prefer to do it in software if possible
  • [07:18:41] <LetoThe2nd> P8.43 to P9.[43-46]
  • [07:19:03] <LetoThe2nd> well then learn how to work with the emmc.
  • [07:19:21] <LetoThe2nd> hint: just typing "rm whatever" into the serial will not help you.
  • [07:19:31] <walter_senekal> i think this is a linux thing
  • [07:19:50] <LetoThe2nd> and make sure you understand how to put things back into place before you remove them for all time.
  • [07:19:51] <walter_senekal> ok thanks for the advise
  • [07:20:23] <walter_senekal> I will be placing my application in the emmc
  • [07:20:43] <walter_senekal> but i am first doing serial and usb interfaces
  • [07:20:49] <LetoThe2nd> and no, this is totally *NOT* a linux thing, its an emmc thing. so the processes you have to look into are how to get thing into and out of the emmc.
  • [07:21:26] <LetoThe2nd> read that as: "set up a jtag and RTFM for it."
  • [07:21:57] <LetoThe2nd> or just pull down that pin and go through the sd card. which will not brick emmc if you fail.
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  • [07:26:16] <walter_senekal> thanks i will try to find the correct manual, because i have read many already and no talk about MLO yet
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  • [08:58:46] <ericst> Hi guys!
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  • [08:59:45] <ericst> I got a beaglebone black and have been toying around with yocto those last days
  • [09:00:28] <av500> poor you
  • [09:00:51] <ericst> I was able a build a core-image-basic image and boot it with the meta-ti layer
  • [09:01:29] <ericst> but I don't have the bone_capemgr in /sys/devices/
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  • [09:02:09] <av500> so I would say yocto has no capemgr support
  • [09:02:19] <ericst> I thought this was built in the kernel... Do I need to configure something to start it or is it only that meta-ti doesn't include it
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  • [09:02:25] <ericst> arg
  • [09:02:32] <av500> capemgr is not mainline
  • [09:02:40] <av500> BBB kernel has patches for it
  • [09:02:46] <av500> about yocto I have no idea
  • [09:03:05] <ericst> I understood that but I would have imagined that meta-ti included them...
  • [09:03:25] <av500> ask the meta-ti maintainers
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  • [09:03:58] <ericst> I will
  • [09:04:07] <av500> report back :)
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  • [09:04:36] <ericst> h??h??
  • [09:05:31] <ericst> as soon as I have an answer
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  • [09:08:20] <ericst> But as you seem to be better informed than me. Maybe you can tell me. Do I also need to patch u-boot if I want to use capemgr.disable as argument in uEnv.txt ?
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  • [09:10:04] <av500> no
  • [09:10:12] <av500> edit uEnv.txt
  • [09:11:32] <ericst> ok, so it's really only a matter of kernel then, I'll check with the meta-ti maintainer
  • [09:11:42] <av500> good luck
  • [09:13:45] <ericst> thanks
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  • [09:23:03] <Mino_> Hi guys
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  • [09:24:13] <Mino_> I've been trying to build angstrom image on my Ubuntu by following instructions on http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ ie MACHINE=beagleboard ./oebb.sh config beagleboard MACHINE=beagleboard ./oebb.sh update MACHINE=beagleboard ./oebb.sh bitbake virtual/kernel
  • [09:25:21] <Mino_> is it possible to build for earlier versions of kernel ie-3.2.34?
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  • [09:26:35] <Mino_> instead of 3.8.something
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  • [09:48:19] <Oolav_> hi amm
  • [09:48:26] <Oolav_> *all
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  • [09:50:15] <Oolav_> I am looking for BeagleBone audio cape Rev B (announced @ elinux.com). Does anyone know who I might ask for it ?
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  • [10:18:39] <RPisces> Hey everyone, I'm trying to compile a driver for my kernel, but I don't seem to have the headers specific to my kernel, and when I execute"sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)", apt can't find it
  • [10:19:06] <RPisces> Also please excuse any misuse of terminology and correct as necessary :)
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  • [10:19:34] <RPisces> Any advice?
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  • [10:22:07] <av500> on the BBB?
  • [10:22:09] <av500> on your PC?
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  • [10:29:21] <thinkstu> I have beagleboard black, the SD card mounted to local folder - once the USB connected to my computer I can't copy/move files to the mounted SD card
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  • [11:07:49] <Oolav_> @thinkstu : what's the error saying ?
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  • [11:43:54] <mrplshelp> hello, i am complete noob and i cannot figure out whats going on with my beaglebone, i have angstrom distro in my emmc which kinda seems bricked and im trying to flash debian to it, but when i hold boot button it simply boots up, whats going on?
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  • [12:16:12] <Dan1> mrpackethead: sounds like you are using the debian image rather than the flashing tool (if there is even such a thing)
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  • [12:18:42] <Dan1> im new too but flashed angstrom (mines 2nd hand and wasnt booting originally) as well as ran it from my SD
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  • [12:19:06] <Dan1> theres 2 types of images, one that runs and one that installs it to the onboard
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  • [12:40:22] <tafes> i have usb to serial cable . it is showing as ttyACM0 using c++ how can i transfer data serially . plz help me
  • [12:41:54] <tafes> i have usb to serial cable . it is showing as ttyACM0 on BBB . using c++ how can i transfer data serially . plz help me
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  • [12:42:22] <LetoThe2nd> open, read, write, close
  • [12:42:28] <LetoThe2nd> just as any other file.
  • [12:42:40] <tbr> profit!
  • [12:43:05] <tafes> which file should i open and write ?
  • [12:43:35] <KotH> tafes: use the power of google!
  • [12:43:47] <KotH> tafes: your question has been asked a gazillion times and answered about as often
  • [12:43:50] <LetoThe2nd> /dev/ttyACM0, maybe?
  • [12:43:58] <KotH> tafes: there are even #exactsteps on the intarwebz
  • [12:44:01] <LetoThe2nd> tafes: really, learn to google.
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  • [12:46:01] <tafes> can u give me ny reference or link
  • [12:46:28] <ogra_> http://www.google.com/
  • [12:46:31] <ogra_> like that ?
  • [12:48:08] <tafes> :D okay im searching ... thanks.
  • [12:48:14] <KotH> hmm... bangladesh... not a place a lot of people come from
  • [12:48:26] <KotH> especially not here
  • [12:50:15] <tafes> i often come here & thanks all of you for co-operation.
  • [12:51:24] * KotH nods
  • [12:51:30] <KotH> just google more often ;)
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  • [13:20:13] <Nann> Hi everyone, I am having problems using PRU writing/reading to ADC registers (they keep returning 0). Can anyone help me with it?
  • [13:31:49] <rob_w> why you use the PRU to do that ?
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  • [13:32:29] <rob_w> ah well never mind .. was thinking about a different hardware
  • [13:35:00] <KotH> Nann: maybe being more specific about your problem would enable people to give you at least a hint where to look
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  • [13:39:56] <sdegutis> Hello.
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  • [13:40:19] <sdegutis> I bought a "Getting Started with BeagleBone" kit from RadioShack.
  • [13:40:53] <sdegutis> And it comes with a much smaller and different-looking breadboard than the instructions I'm receiving.
  • [13:41:16] <sdegutis> The ones I have is small and blue, with no separation at the ends for the first/last two columns of holes.
  • [13:41:39] <sdegutis> My instructions imply that these columns are the positive and negative rails.
  • [13:41:56] <av500> sorry
  • [13:42:06] <sdegutis> But mine doesn't have any separator for these last columns. Are they still the positive/negative rails?
  • [13:42:07] <av500> we have no idea what breadboards radio shack bundles
  • [13:42:25] <sdegutis> I'm hoping there's some rule of thumb like, all breadboards have that rail on the edge, etc.
  • [13:42:38] <sdegutis> Anyway, if it's not the case, I can just buy a new breadboard at Radioshack today on my way to work.
  • [13:42:50] <av500> some have rails, some dont
  • [13:42:57] <sdegutis> I see.
  • [13:44:37] <sdegutis> Can you recommend a document that explains breadboards a little better, without an overwhelming amount of detail?
  • [13:45:09] <sdegutis> These guides I've found explain that I should plug certain things into certain places, but they're not really clear as to which spaces are significant and why.
  • [13:45:33] <av500> a breadboard is fairly simple
  • [13:45:58] <av500> https://www.google.com/search?q=breadboard+explained
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  • [13:51:10] <Andy1978> sdegutis: I think this is a common layout: http://www.paleotechnologist.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/breadboard_split_rails.jpg
  • [13:51:26] <sdegutis> Andy1978: That looks like the layout all my guides are using.
  • [13:52:45] <Andy1978> sdegutis: do you know the name of the manufactory of your breadboard?
  • [13:52:54] <sdegutis> This is the exact one I received in my kit: http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/28-17741?scode=GS401&CAWELAID=530004080000056191&catargetid=1606964484&cadevice=c&cagpspn=pla&gclid=CLep_6Gr2LwCFcY7MgodOyUA6w
  • [13:53:01] <sdegutis> Sorry for the long link, couldn't find a shorter one anywhere.
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  • [13:54:13] <Andy1978> okay, I guess on this one the vertical holes are connected as groups of 5
  • [13:54:36] <Andy1978> sdegutis: Do you have a multimeter?
  • [13:54:43] <av500> sdegutis: yes, you have the really small one without voltage rails
  • [13:54:55] <av500> so, go buy a larger one
  • [13:55:01] <sdegutis> Andy1978: I'll go find out :)
  • [13:55:04] <sdegutis> av500: Okay.
  • [13:55:04] <saotome> Hello everyone. I am trying to use this screen with the beaglebone black: http://www.logicsupply.com/bbb-exp-c/ . Description says it requires android 4.1 to work. I tried 4.2 from here: http://downloads.ti.com/sitara_android/esd/TI_Android_DevKit/TI_Android_JB_4_2_2_DevKit_4_1_1/index_FDS.html , but I was unsuccessful. I don't see any beaglebone black compatible 4.1 images on this site. Do they exist? Where would I find them? Thanks.
  • [13:55:25] <sdegutis> Andy1978: According to wikipedia, I don't have a multimeter.
  • [13:55:41] <Vaizki> wikipedia knows all
  • [13:55:51] <Vaizki> maybe you should order one
  • [13:56:05] <av500> saotome: why not ask the seller?
  • [13:56:06] <sdegutis> Why?
  • [13:56:15] <philenotfound> saotome: "Works with Android 4.1 and Windows CE 6.0. For details and manual see www.chipsee.com."
  • [13:56:17] <av500> since they sold it to you, they must know how to make it work
  • [13:56:25] <philenotfound> saotome: you need an android image from chipsee
  • [13:56:29] <Andy1978> sdegutis: I think you should really order a cheap multimeter to measure voltage, current, resistance
  • [13:56:33] <av500> and/or patches
  • [13:57:12] <sdegutis> Andy1978: I think I should first learn what those three things are and how they play into the rest of my B3 kit.
  • [13:57:17] <Andy1978> sdegutis: even one for 15$ would do it for the beginning
  • [13:57:19] <philenotfound> av500: a lot of them, last time i've checked the chipsee kernel was pre DT
  • [13:58:09] <av500> sure
  • [13:58:54] <Vaizki> sdegutis: you don't know what voltage, current and resistance are and you're breadboarding stuff?
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  • [13:59:33] <Vaizki> sounds like you might save $45 pretty quickly by spending an hour on the subject :D
  • [13:59:40] <sdegutis> Vaizki: I bought this BeagleBoneBlack kit yesterday and I've been trying to follow a guide to get a button lighting up an LED.
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  • [14:00:16] <Vaizki> eep
  • [14:00:31] <sdegutis> Vaizki: I agree with you. That's why I've come in here asking for some recommendations for reading material for beginners on this.
  • [14:02:06] <Vaizki> so they didn't teach you this in school? :)
  • [14:02:09] <sdegutis> The kit linked me to http://bit.ly/10o8zRR
  • [14:02:43] <sdegutis> Vaizki: Nope.
  • [14:03:04] <sdegutis> That bitly links to http://makezineblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/bb-excerpt.pdf
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  • [14:03:56] <LUVI> For an internship i have to use beagleboards with linux, but i never have worked with it. Anyone who can recommend some guides?
  • [14:04:15] <LUVI> (The Angstrom distro)
  • [14:04:36] <Andy1978> sdegutis: I really suggest buying something like this https://secure.reichelt.de/Multimeter-digital/UT-132C/3//index.html?ACTION=3&GROUPID=4058&ARTICLE=102150&SHOW=1&OFFSET=16&
  • [14:05:13] <Andy1978> sdegutis: and get familiar wiht basic eleectronic circuits before you try to connect something to your beagleboard
  • [14:05:33] <Andy1978> its easy to damage it...
  • [14:05:41] <LUVI> Euhm, its not the electronics that bother me
  • [14:05:48] <LUVI> its the linux
  • [14:05:55] <Vaizki> we're not talking to you yet ;)
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  • [14:06:03] <LUVI> o okay sorry
  • [14:06:04] <Andy1978> LUVI: I was answering sdegutis, not you
  • [14:06:08] <Dan2> LUVI: try here http://bit.ly/1gV5Afi
  • [14:06:26] <sdegutis> Andy1978: Yes, I was hoping to find some recommendations in here on reading material to get familiar with it first.
  • [14:06:33] <sdegutis> Can you recommend anything in particular?
  • [14:06:58] <Vaizki> http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_1/index.html
  • [14:07:01] <Andy1978> sdegutis: http://www.instructables.com/id/Breadboard-Basics-for-Absolute-Begginers/
  • [14:07:17] <saotome> philenotfound I don't see any images listed on their site, but I wrote them an email. Hopefully they'll be responsive.
  • [14:07:48] <LUVI> Thank you very much Dan, but getting started is easy. I have to expand the kernel so I'm looking for some advanced literature :/
  • [14:08:06] <sdegutis> Thank you Andy1978.
  • [14:08:49] <Dan2> "I have to expand the kernel so I'm looking for some advanced literature :/" is a bit more of a specific question then, and may get better help
  • [14:08:53] <Vaizki> and yes you should own a multimeter
  • [14:09:19] <Vaizki> Dan2: well he's an intern so he wants us to do his job :)
  • [14:09:32] <Dan2> but google is still probably going to be your best friend
  • [14:09:40] <Dan2> Vaizki: lol yea i worked that out already :)
  • [14:10:54] <LUVI> @Vaizki wow, all i did was ask for some books you guys might now, but yea
  • [14:10:59] <LUVI> assholes
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  • [14:11:08] <Dan2> looool
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  • [14:11:15] <Dan2> </3
  • [14:11:26] <Vaizki> :(
  • [14:11:38] <Vaizki> he must be under a lot of pressure
  • [14:11:51] <Dan2> i really dont understand the "can you tell me everything" sort of questions people ask
  • [14:12:40] <Dan2> i mean i only started using linux a couple years ago after 20 odd years of using windows.... its a fairly steep learning curve... but you need to know what your acutally asking
  • [14:12:40] <sdegutis> Thanks everyone for your discouragement.
  • [14:12:56] <sdegutis> Going to shelve this thing indefinitely and go to work now.
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  • [14:13:08] <Vaizki> :P
  • [14:13:12] <Andy1978> discouragement?
  • [14:13:17] <Dan2> sdegutis: sometimes realities are tough :)
  • [14:13:27] <Dan2> and theres no easy answer
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  • [14:13:44] <Andy1978> I tried to prevent you from damaging your beagle after seconds...
  • [14:13:45] <Vaizki> can we get 3 in a row?
  • [14:14:05] <Andy1978> strange...
  • [14:14:15] <Dan2> must be a full moon or something?
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  • [14:17:36] <Vaizki> I dunno what's going on but people keep coming to the channel and they're waaaaay in over their head. which is fine if you're ready to paddle like a madman for a week or two.
  • [14:17:49] <Vaizki> but no, they need to have it running by tomorrow
  • [14:19:19] <Dan2> lol yea i was one of the "way over my head" ones
  • [14:19:24] <Dan2> i started out on a RPi
  • [14:19:46] <Dan2> and a couple years on im still coming to terms with it all
  • [14:21:41] <Vaizki> if I'm completely and utterly honest the BBB is not a good starter platform for any hobbyist. in my opinion. if your needs are in computing, get a pc and put linux on it. if they're in EE, get an arduino, if you want a media center get a RPi.
  • [14:22:08] <Vaizki> once you've done all of the above, get a BBB and put Arch Linux on it ;)
  • [14:22:29] <Dan2> hahaha im not ready for arch yet......
  • [14:22:32] <Vaizki> ok so the last one was over-opinionated and fully subjective
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  • [14:23:18] <Dan2> i did start out briefly on a pc but soon realised the gpio's and size of the RPi was what i needed... its really not a bad starting point
  • [14:23:35] <Dan2> tho i started in computers when C64's first came out......
  • [14:23:42] <Dan2> so im well and truly used to command line
  • [14:23:59] <Dan2> maybe that makes a difference?
  • [14:24:31] <Vaizki> well I have done linux since I got my first 386 and still when I wanted to compine computing + gpio I hooked up an arduino to the RPi
  • [14:24:50] <Vaizki> arduino for realtime stuff and i2c between them
  • [14:25:12] <Dan2> ive never touched an arduino, for what i do it seemed pointless to me
  • [14:25:28] <Vaizki> well it's like programming a C64 ;)
  • [14:25:28] <Dan2> the functionality of an rpi but needs a computer as well
  • [14:26:02] <Vaizki> anyway, what I'm trying to say I combined tools I already knew from years back
  • [14:26:12] <Dan2> yup
  • [14:26:23] <Dan2> which you put the effort into learning originally :)
  • [14:26:42] <Vaizki> and even then it's not so simple to translate that into embedded linux magic
  • [14:26:51] <Vaizki> and put everything in the same box
  • [14:27:44] <Vaizki> it's taken me a year of casual learning to understand a bit of what the linux kernel can do in embedded devices..
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  • [14:28:56] <Vaizki> and of course the RPi people just ignore most of the "mainstream arm" way and hack together something that just works :)
  • [14:29:12] <Dan2> haha
  • [14:29:25] <Dan2> its certainly got a lot of support
  • [14:29:31] <Vaizki> yea so does php
  • [14:29:40] <Vaizki> need I say more.
  • [14:30:22] <Vaizki> don't get me wrong, the RPi movement is an amazing accomplishment as is the price point
  • [14:30:42] <Vaizki> just like arduinos in their own way
  • [14:31:15] <Vaizki> but then BBB comes out and the media coverage is "just like the RPi but faster!"
  • [14:31:26] <Vaizki> aaaand.. duh.
  • [14:31:28] <Vaizki> it's not.
  • [14:31:37] <Dan2> its not?
  • [14:31:47] <Vaizki> nope
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  • [14:32:29] <Vaizki> first of all it's not a set top box graphics chip masquerading as a computer .)
  • [14:32:48] <Dan2> haha
  • [14:32:53] <Dan2> fair enough
  • [14:33:03] <Vaizki> and it wasn't created as a learning toy for schoolkids
  • [14:33:08] <Dan2> yea
  • [14:33:25] <Vaizki> I mean look at all the problems people have jus BOOTING or FLASHING the BBBS
  • [14:33:26] <Dan2> BBB seems a bit more serious... not that ive used mine more than 5 mins to really know much about it
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  • [14:33:48] <Dan2> yea people get the same issue with rpi's tho
  • [14:34:06] <Vaizki> well the RPi has NOOBS and all that now
  • [14:34:07] <Dan2> i dont find bbb any harder than the rpi
  • [14:34:11] <Dan2> oh
  • [14:34:14] <Dan2> i hated that
  • [14:34:15] <Dan2> lol
  • [14:34:31] <Vaizki> it must be great for the schoolkids
  • [14:34:32] <Dan2> i didnt see the point
  • [14:35:12] <Vaizki> and btw arch is not that scary, not really
  • [14:35:35] <Dan2> i tried it on my pi
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  • [14:35:49] <Dan2> but im old and senile... i like to stick to stuff i know
  • [14:36:02] <Dan2> so attempting to use debian on the bbb
  • [14:36:10] <Vaizki> as long as you know how to do basic linux stuff like partition disks, create filesystems, install bootloaders and use dd without filling your root partition with zeroes you're fine
  • [14:36:38] <Dan2> not sure about the zeros.... but the rest im ok with
  • [14:36:38] <Vaizki> well I'm over 40 so...
  • [14:37:01] <Dan2> ditto
  • [14:39:20] <Vaizki> and arch on BBB is actually easier to setup than on x86 because they provide a simple tarball to extract to the boot & root partitions
  • [14:39:23] <Dan2> ive been a bit of a windows fanboi most of my time, mostly caus everything is designed to work on it (game mostly) so it was just easier
  • [14:39:56] <Dan2> always liked the idea of linux in its different forms just never had the need/want to use it
  • [14:39:57] <Vaizki> yea well I've never liked linux on the deskto
  • [14:40:17] <Vaizki> I have never hooked up a HDMI display to my BBBs either
  • [14:40:53] <Dan2> i did momentarily caus when i got this BBB it wasnt booting/getting dhcp and i didnt know what was happening
  • [14:41:13] <Dan2> caus i got it from a mate who was using it for something before me
  • [14:41:32] <Dan2> once i knew what it was doing its not been back on hdmi since
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  • [15:32:43] <Vaizki> Dan2: no, the BBB doesn't boot off a USB storage
  • [15:33:27] <Dan2> well, you can boot an os from usb afaik
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  • [15:33:43] <Dan2> but yea i couldnt find anything about flashing with it
  • [15:33:58] <Dan2> tho searching sucks a bit caus it brings up a lot of stuff about usb powering
  • [15:34:02] <Dan2> thanks anyway
  • [15:34:15] <Vaizki> you can boot over usb
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  • [15:34:20] <Vaizki> it's like a network boot
  • [15:34:32] <Vaizki> you need to have a computer with so magic tools on the other end
  • [15:34:36] <Dan2> yea, i played with it on my rpi
  • [15:34:49] <Dan2> booting from a usb hdd
  • [15:35:00] <Vaizki> no it's nothing like that on BBB
  • [15:35:09] <Vaizki> it's more like running ethernet on top of usb to network boot
  • [15:35:16] <Dan2> ahh ok
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  • [15:35:27] <Vaizki> greatly simplified explanation
  • [15:35:37] <Dan2> ive not actually looked past the google descriptions when i searched
  • [15:35:47] <Dan2> its not something ill proably ever do
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  • [15:36:00] <Vaizki> there's an android-based project that allows you to boot & flash your BBB from an android phone over usb
  • [15:36:07] <Dan2> if the bbb's were usb3 then i might... but there no... so i dont see the point
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  • [15:36:14] <sdaks> Has anyone used the 4D systems 4.3" touchscreen cape with the BBB?
  • [15:36:16] <Dan2> oh nice
  • [15:37:14] <Vaizki> https://github.com/ungureanuvladvictor/BeagleDroid
  • [15:37:19] <Vaizki> that's the project
  • [15:38:02] <Vaizki> and no I haven't tried it
  • [15:38:04] <sdaks> I was using this 4.3" touchscreen cape with the 5V 2A supply. Seemed to work fine, but recently I noticed overheating of the PMIC. There was flux oozing out! Wondering if anyone else has had this, or is my BBB or the cape bricked?
  • [15:38:58] <Vaizki> flux oozing out of the pmic?
  • [15:39:17] <Dan2> sdaks: sounds nasty
  • [15:39:38] <Dan2> pmic = power management on the bbb?
  • [15:40:27] <myself> sdaks: Did the cape stop working, or did it just get hot?
  • [15:40:44] <sdaks> Dan2: yeah the chip that manages the power. Its the chip behind the power jack.
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  • [15:47:35] <Dan2> sdaks: im a bit of a noob...... so take what ever advice i give with a pinch of what ever you wish..........
  • [15:47:48] <Dan2> but maybe your psu isnt supplying clean/correct power?
  • [15:48:50] <Dan2> eg putting out 5.5v and making the pmic work harder?
  • [15:55:01] <electrobuz>
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  • [15:57:16] <KotH> small wires, solder residues, dirt, or stuff like that
  • [15:57:37] <KotH> when the pmic is getting too hot, it's mostlikely that too much current is flowing trough it
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  • [18:31:59] <Panoramix> hi, does someone know when the audio cape revB will be available, and perhaps any details like distributor, price etc?
  • [18:32:35] <prpplague> Panoramix: the new audio cape is on the production line right at this very moment
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  • [18:33:08] <prpplague> Panoramix: initially the capes will be available via boardzoo.com , but all the major beaglebone black distributors will eventually carry them
  • [18:33:16] <prpplague> behanw: hey there
  • [18:33:27] <prpplague> behanw: you making it out to ELC?
  • [18:34:32] <behanw> prpplague, That's the plan. Plane ticket and hotel booked.
  • [18:34:38] <behanw> I hope my talk is accepted. :)
  • [18:34:45] <Panoramix> thanks prpplague :) production line right now means how long till it's available for purchase then?
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  • [18:35:17] <prpplague> Panoramix: probably two weeks, they have to be washed, tested, and packaged
  • [18:35:28] <prpplague> behanw: let me check on that
  • [18:35:41] <behanw> Are you looped in again for ELC?
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  • [18:35:53] <Panoramix> ah thats great, given that im still waiting to get a BBB :D
  • [18:36:08] <Panoramix> im guessing it will come right about when i'm gonna need it then :)
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  • [18:36:43] <Panoramix> i could only find one distributor in europe with a known date for a BBB
  • [18:36:54] <prpplague> behanw: yea giving it another go
  • [18:37:00] <Panoramix> supposedly they should have some this monday
  • [18:37:14] <behanw> prpplague, Good for you.
  • [18:37:17] <prpplague> behanw: looks like yours was accepted, not sure why you haven't gotten an acceptance email
  • [18:37:53] <behanw> Seems my Collab talk is under review, and the ELC and ABS talks are still marked as "New"
  • [18:38:01] <behanw> Cool.
  • [18:38:18] <behanw> Still marked as "New" in the cfp system.
  • [18:38:46] <prpplague> behanw: yea, just sent an email to craig to see what's up
  • [18:39:34] <prpplague> behanw: i need to chat with you about a side project i am working on when you have time, i need some feedback on some "training and lesson plan" kind of stuff
  • [18:39:56] <behanw> Sure. n
  • [18:39:57] <behanw> np
  • [18:40:37] <behanw> I'm curious to see how having ABS and ELC running at the same time will work.
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  • [18:41:23] <behanw> Considering that ABS keynotes (and some talks) in the past were a bit corporate, whereas the ELC ones were more technical.
  • [18:41:45] <prpplague> behanw: indeed
  • [18:41:47] <behanw> Which I think engineers prefer (especially embedded engineers)
  • [18:42:31] <behanw> Still ABS last year for me was very useful. So YMMV.
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  • [18:43:37] <mdp> behanw, accepted for ELC? cool, will see you there!
  • [18:44:04] <behanw> mdp: I want to see what talk of yours is accepted.
  • [18:44:17] <behanw> We should have a chainsaw BoF. ;)
  • [18:44:29] <mdp> lol
  • [18:44:45] <behanw> Perhaps destroying non Linux embedded products...
  • [18:44:52] <mdp> behanw, nothing retro-computing based
  • [18:44:53] <behanw> Harder to find those these days. ;)
  • [18:44:58] <behanw> Of course not.
  • [18:45:20] <mdp> maintaining your chainsaw for use in destroying RPis
  • [18:45:39] <behanw> That's still Linux at least though. Despite its other issues...
  • [18:50:09] <mdp> they all need to be destroyed to save people from it
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  • [19:26:14] <ML_Electronics> beaglebone component store located online at http://beaglebone.mlelectronics.com
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  • [19:32:23] <dimbit> hey hi gang
  • [19:32:36] <dimbit> anybody run fedora on the BBB?
  • [19:33:36] <dimbit> why don't i get root access to gvfs???
  • [19:34:08] <dimbit> is it to stop me messing with the KDE set-up by mistake???
  • [19:34:26] <dimbit> sorry GNOME
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  • [19:35:53] <vicash> prpplague: when the TP5 and TP6 ports (BAT and BAT_SENSE) are connected together should a simple wire be used to do that or is a Zero Ohm resistor necessary ? I have tried with the wire and the BBB boots but I don't want something to go wrong later, hence the question..
  • [19:35:59] <dimbit> or something else:
  • [19:36:10] <dimbit> GVFS is the virtual filesystem for the GNOME desktop, which allows users easy access to remote data via SFTP, FTP, WebDAV, SMB, and local data via Udev integration, OBEX, MTP and others
  • [19:36:21] <dimbit> soory that second bit was for continuity's sake
  • [19:39:31] <dimbit> ?
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  • [19:46:34] <prpplague> vicash: i can't help you on this, i've already advised you against this, and i don't want this coming back to me
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  • [19:49:10] <vicash> prpplague: i am using the Powercell board you had mentioned but am not sure if I should still connect the BAT_SENSE to the BAT port. I am trying to avoid directly connecting the battery to the BBB as you had mentioned. Anyway. I will figure it out
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  • [20:00:39] <mazzoo> moin
  • [20:00:57] <mazzoo> I try to get interrupts from PRUs on baremetal
  • [20:01:08] <mazzoo> MOV R31.b0, 32 + 3
  • [20:01:28] <mazzoo> doesn't raise one though
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  • [20:02:21] <mazzoo> other interrupts (button S2, UART) work fine. I guess I miss some setup. any hints?
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  • [20:03:26] <mazzoo> and PRUs run and stop nicely (blinking LEDs)
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  • [20:05:30] <mazzoo> ARM does sth like "* INTC_MIR_CLEAR0 = 0x3 << 20;"
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  • [20:11:17] <manjo> anyone know if the 4D lcd cape covers up the P8 P9 headers? Can I still tap into GPIO with the cape on ?
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  • [20:44:27] <CareBear\> mazzoo : hi
  • [20:44:36] <iandow> Does anyone have wifi working with Angstrom on BBB? If so, which wifi adapter are you using? And did you have to install drivers / firmware or did the kernel already support your device?
  • [20:46:47] <CareBear\> mazzoo : from PRU1 I do mov r31.b0, 36, in C I catch that with prussdrv_pru_wait_event(PRU_EVTOUT_1);
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  • [21:06:27] <aurelien> any idea which software to use with BBB to make run something like that? https://flowers.inria.fr/curiosity/ (speaking of the IAC type of software)
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  • [21:11:51] <myself> iandow: did you perhaps try googling "beaglebone black" "wifi"?
  • [21:11:56] <prpplague> aurelien: you'd have to check with them to see which OS they support
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  • [21:12:21] <prpplague> aurelien: if they support linux in general, should be generally supported under linux on black
  • [21:12:30] <myself> iandow: someone already went through the effort to write down the precise answer to your question: http://www.elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack#WIFI_Adapters
  • [21:13:04] <iandow> myself: tons. I'm three weeks into the effort with a BBW. I jsut want to hear from soneone with first hand experience, before I buy a BBB
  • [21:13:22] <aurelien> prpplague: afaik from them ... they will use rpy ubuntu and ros ... where i will use BBB arch and ros
  • [21:13:51] <aurelien> prpplague: but the cognitive software is the ? for me
  • [21:14:13] <prpplague> aurelien: like i said, you would need to check with them about the cognitive software
  • [21:14:15] <iandow> myself: I bought three of the adapters mentioned on the site you references - none of which work on my BBW. Maybe I have a faulty board, but I've ruled out most everything else
  • [21:14:41] <DiegoTc> hi jkridner I'm back again bothering do yuo have time?
  • [21:15:04] <aurelien> prpplague: bah i have already requested ... without success for the moment -_-'
  • [21:15:08] <Panoramix> iandow next week (hopefully) i'll have my BBB and the D-Link DWA-121
  • [21:15:22] <Panoramix> i bought it based on the wiki
  • [21:15:30] <Panoramix> hopefully it will work :D
  • [21:17:21] <iandow> Panoramix: thanks for your reply. I also bought a DWA-121. It's the most functional of all the adapters I tried on BBW, but still crashes after an hour. Again, I'm thinking this is because of a faulty BBW.
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  • [21:17:47] <aurelien> prpplague: maybe aquila ... but aquila is used on icub ... i am affraid it's a bit to heavy for ros, no?
  • [21:17:47] <iandow> That said, the DWA-121 wouldn't work at all on Angstrom. Only ubuntu.
  • [21:18:01] <Panoramix> which angstrom release?
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  • [21:18:50] <iandow> I tried kernels 3.8 and 3.13 on the following Angstrom image:
  • [21:18:51] <iandow> Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.06.20.img.xz
  • [21:19:23] <iandow> It was not happy with the realtek drivers / firmware. Ubuntu was practially plug and play.
  • [21:19:34] <Panoramix> damn i was hoping it was some older one, now i'm worried :D
  • [21:20:01] <Panoramix> stock kernel?
  • [21:20:39] <iandow> Me too. There's a lot of conflicting success stories / misery reports online about any number of wifi adapters for beaglebones
  • [21:22:01] <iandow> I'd be highly highly suprised if my problem really was in hardware / insufficiently capable drivers, but kernel panics tend to point me in that direction
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  • [21:22:23] <iandow> I custom build the kernel
  • [21:22:33] <iandow> but I also tried the stock kernel
  • [21:22:43] <iandow> didn't seem to matter
  • [21:24:19] <DJ_> Hi, I am trying to boot beagleboard xM using a Mathworks Beagleboard Support Package, but I keep getting this error "No ethernet found" even though I do have an ethernet cable connected from board to host laptop. Any help I can get would be appreciated. Thanks
  • [21:25:02] <tbr> DJ_: do the lights on either side of the cable turn on?
  • [21:25:24] <DJ_> No, the lights stay off
  • [21:26:14] <tbr> then either get a crossover cable, or put a switch inbetween
  • [21:26:51] <tbr> I guess the laptop doesn't have a GBit port but is 10/100?
  • [21:29:03] <DJ_> Yeah, I think it has 10/100 port.
  • [21:29:42] <tbr> > then either get a crossover cable, or put a switch inbetween
  • [21:30:47] <DJ_> Any recommendations? Is that a cable I can find at best buy or radioshack?
  • [21:32:56] <tbr> cross over network cables got rare, but they still exist.
  • [21:33:20] <tbr> whatever is cheaper. dumb little switch, or cable.
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  • [21:35:17] <DJ_> Ok, thanks. Let me start the hunt. I once saw the lights on with the very same cable I am using though. Thanks for the suggestions!
  • [21:39:21] <Panoramix> iandow, i assume the kernel panics happen only with the wifi adapters connected?
  • [21:39:50] <iandow> Panoramix, yup
  • [21:40:12] <Panoramix> is it on a usb hub or direct on the bbb?
  • [21:40:19] <iandow> direct
  • [21:40:42] <Panoramix> meh you probably tried everything, now i really have doubts it'll work when i get it :D
  • [21:42:28] <Panoramix> there's a cape for wifi/bluetooth, i guess that might be an option
  • [21:42:58] <Panoramix> im guessing revB (the version for black) is in prouction
  • [21:43:25] <Panoramix> cause i asked here earlier about the new audio cape which is also new and i was told its in production :D
  • [21:43:32] <iandow> I'm optimistic about BBB, actually.
  • [21:43:32] <iandow> because it's so much more widely used than BBW
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  • [22:29:52] <yates> can a beaglebone black act as a wifi access point?
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  • [22:40:05] <joel_> yates, sure why not
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  • [22:41:11] <yates> lack of wifi h/w, lack of device drivers, etc.
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  • [22:53:48] <dan2_> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ak49zmivu6fai7a/O4wRmr0Rl9
  • [22:54:09] <dan2_> I got to tour the BBB factory. The link is for pics
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  • [23:37:27] <Madu> I am looking to build a touch screen home appliance and i'm wondering are there any starter kits
  • [23:38:08] <Madu> appliance that connected to the internet and other devices and supports such things as NFC
  • [23:38:52] <Madu> any advice?
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