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  • [00:09:32] <ragnar76> is it only opinion or is ubuntu the best runnig os for the bbb?
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  • [00:16:44] <thurgood> ragnar76: depends how you define 'best'
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  • [00:17:58] <MadJad> any one available to answer a few questions about LCD and beagle?
  • [00:18:36] <jkridner> MadJad: please read the topic
  • [00:18:41] <jkridner> don't ask to ask
  • [00:19:07] <MadJad> -1 for MadJad
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  • [00:25:51] <MadJad> Im looking to build an auxiliary equipment alarm monitor, basically I ll have a 12v input signal from a machine when it faults out. Id like to use the beagle board and the beagle LCD7, my questions how many input pins will i have remaining, any issues that why this couldn't be done.
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  • [00:41:04] <jkridner> the wiki page for the LCD7 shows the consumed pins.
  • [00:41:27] <jkridner> plus, you need to consider the pins used by the eMMC per http://beagleboard.org/support/bone101/#headers
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  • [00:54:49] <jgmrequel> I am having trouble with my BBB - I cannot get it to recognize and use the uSD Card slot for booting
  • [00:57:04] <jgmrequel> I've tried multiple uSD cards in a variety of sizes, multiple images/flashers, and I tried removing the MLO from the onboard eMMC. The last one has me over a barrel as now I cannot do anything with it, since I cannot load from SD
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  • [01:01:06] <ragnar76> thurgood: imho, angstrom is a good start, android is horrible, debian runs quite good and ubuntu is very smooth
  • [01:01:17] <ragnar76> didn't test qnx yet
  • [01:02:23] <ragnar76> jgmrequel: how did you write the images to the sd card?
  • [01:03:02] <jgmrequel> win32diskimager
  • [01:04:11] <ragnar76> ouch, can't say anything to windows
  • [01:05:18] <jgmrequel> I have access to other systems, but I can say I followed the BB provided instructions to the letter. I get no LED activity if I hold boot button other than the power light. None of the usr leds turn on
  • [01:06:42] <jgmrequel> and in fact, since following the last suggestion of removing the MLO from the eMMC to force SD boot, I never get usr led activity
  • [01:07:28] <ragnar76> have you pressed the power button?
  • [01:08:22] <jgmrequel> several times, along with the reset button, with and without supplying power with the user/boot button depressed during startup
  • [01:09:05] <ragnar76> sounds bad
  • [01:09:15] <jgmrequel> indeed
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  • [01:12:20] <jgmrequel> I don't suppose there is a way to directly write to the eMMC over serial?
  • [01:13:08] <ragnar76> i don't know. maybe over jtag
  • [01:13:31] <ds2> what do you mean 'directly'?
  • [01:13:48] <jgmrequel> well, the eMMC's pins are exposed through the header
  • [01:14:15] <jgmrequel> 11-17, 18-21 of P9
  • [01:14:22] <jgmrequel> *P8
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  • [01:15:58] * vagrantc notes the position of the MLO file on the SD card was significant, putting it as the first file on the filesystem seemed to work
  • [01:16:51] <vagrantc> the partition hosting the MLO on the eMMC got corrupted on me once, and took a while to get a working SD image.
  • [01:17:19] <jgmrequel> hard to tells its position in the filesystem within windows, but I can try and figure it out
  • [01:17:54] <vagrantc> imagine so
  • [01:18:10] <vagrantc> basically creating the filesystem, and copying the MLO as the first file seemed to work
  • [01:18:25] <ragnar76> usually, the first file you copy to a fres filesystem stays as first
  • [01:18:34] <ragnar76> fresh
  • [01:19:54] <jgmrequel> well, I have a fresh Win32image'd sd card, removing and formatting the files themselves now
  • [01:20:18] <ragnar76> jgmrequel: have you tried the debian/ubuntu images? they have a script to copy themselfs to the emmc. maybe a way to revive your bbb
  • [01:20:22] <jgmrequel> yes
  • [01:20:42] <jgmrequel> I tried angstrom, ubuntu 12 and 13, debian
  • [01:20:47] * vagrantc presumes the published images got that right, unless they're relying on the eMMC's copy of the MLO
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  • [01:21:05] <ragnar76> another way could be, you install the cygwin system and use "dd"
  • [01:21:21] <jgmrequel> I have that
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  • [01:22:57] <ragnar76> go to the shop you have bought it and change it ;)
  • [01:24:03] <jgmrequel> bought it online, and they are sold out of replacements
  • [01:25:10] <ragnar76> you lucky one :(
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  • [01:26:07] <jgmrequel> not the word I'd use
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  • [01:28:57] <ragnar76> half past two, going to bed now
  • [01:29:02] <ragnar76> gn8
  • [01:29:12] <jgmrequel> kk, thx for the help
  • [01:29:17] <ragnar76> np
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  • [01:40:59] <jpfau> it doesn't seem to have the right drivers
  • [01:41:18] <jpfau> furthermore, the PVR-SGX drivers don't work on 3.12 either. I'm considering just downgrading my kernel.
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  • [02:01:37] <Tenkawa> so.. anyone running android on their bbb?
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  • [02:42:07] <jonpry> http://imgur.com/QFWt4hZ
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  • [02:48:16] <alan_o> jonpry: looks good. your design?
  • [02:48:38] <jonpry> yeah, dual parallel port
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  • [02:50:10] <ds2> bah.... everyone and their dog is doing that
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  • [02:52:39] <jonpry> yeah but mine is better :p
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  • [02:56:59] <ds2> just build a new board :P
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  • [05:30:27] <toobluesc> Why are *all* the firmware cape overlays compiled in to the kernel with CONFIG_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL on angstrom?
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  • [06:21:54] <router> i compiled media-ctl under ubuntu. when I try to run the media-ctl. it says that "-sh: ./media-ctl"
  • [06:22:22] <router> anyone can help me
  • [06:22:53] <dm8tbr> router: strace it
  • [06:24:42] <router> dm8btbr how?
  • [06:25:04] <router> nvm
  • [06:25:09] <dm8tbr> "strace ./media-ctl"
  • [06:25:11] <router> thx you. i am looking up on strae
  • [06:26:39] <router> dm8btr: it says "execve("./media-ctl", ["./media-ctl"], [/* 15 vars */]) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)"
  • [06:27:18] <router> the file is there., I can "mv media-ctl m"
  • [06:27:23] <router> but why says no such file
  • [06:28:15] <dm8tbr> probably wrong libc
  • [06:28:25] <router> yup.
  • [06:28:59] <router> how do I link to correct libc?
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  • [06:30:31] <dm8tbr> by using the toolchain that matches your target
  • [06:30:43] <router> dm8tbr:i am using arm-none-linux-gnueabi
  • [06:31:28] <router> dm8tbr: this is my compile command "ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- ./configure --with-kernel-headers=/usr/arm --build=arm --host=i486 "
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  • [06:34:30] <router> dm8tbr:thx. I will check out.
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  • [07:38:43] <gigo1980> hi all does anyone compile an c++11 project with the cross compiler to angstrom linux ?
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  • [08:31:16] <KotH> moin woglinde
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  • [09:08:11] <suresh> hello
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  • [09:08:40] <beagle13> is there a way to remove a file from bootsector of beaglebone microSD card
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  • [09:53:10] <Quinto> Hi, on BBB there are 4 GPIO(1_28,1_18,1_16,1_19) activate of default. How I can to activate other GPIO? for example 1_17 ?
  • [09:53:17] <Quinto> with a Device Tree?
  • [09:56:47] <woglinde> google is your friend
  • [09:56:51] <woglinde> and the bbb wiki
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  • [09:58:43] <Quinto> woglinde: i dont find this if no i dont write here
  • [09:58:45] <Quinto> :)
  • [09:59:25] <woglinde> okay you will not ask any questions here this day when I show you where in the wiki the link is
  • [09:59:42] <woglinde> deal?
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  • [10:01:42] <woglinde> gm das
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  • [10:03:14] <Quinto> no :)
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  • [10:06:24] <kd_> I want to swap the colors of LCD4 cape (red and blue). I am unable to find which driver I need to edit. Can anyone help me, which video driver is used by LCD4 cape ?? I am using ubuntu12.04LTS (3.8 kernel) with Beagle bone black board. Thank you. Thank you.
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  • [10:11:58] <router> finally got media-ctl working
  • [10:13:03] <woglinde> kd_ first you should find out which kernel you are using
  • [10:13:42] <woglinde> 2nd choose the right branch from here https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel
  • [10:15:26] <kd_> @woglinde I told in my question that I am using 3.8 kernel
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  • [10:16:52] <dm8tbr> router: for the sake of public IRC logs, what was the solution?
  • [10:17:17] <dm8tbr> (someone else will for sure run into this and might find it through a search engine)
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  • [10:20:57] <router> dm8tbr: my kernel was build with "ti-sdk-beagleboard-06.00.00.00/linux-devkit/sysroots/i686-arago-linux/usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabihf"
  • [10:21:25] <dm8tbr> the kernel should have nothing to do with that
  • [10:21:36] <router> and I build with arm-linux-gnueabi.
  • [10:21:43] <dm8tbr> but if your USERSPACE was built ARM-hf, then yes
  • [10:21:49] <router> and i build media player with arm-linux-gnueabi
  • [10:22:24] <kd_> woglinde I know which kernel I am using, I am also have kernel source, my quetion is which framebuffer or video driver used by LCD4 ?? so I can swap colors editing that driver.
  • [10:22:24] <router> it is kernel 3.3.7
  • [10:22:52] <router> then i build with arm-linux-gnueabihf and it was
  • [10:22:54] <router> work
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  • [10:22:55] <router> works
  • [10:24:45] <woglinde> video driver is for cams normaly
  • [10:24:54] <woglinde> it should be framebuffer
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  • [10:26:19] <kd_> woglinde , yes, I want to know which framebuffer driver for LCD4 cape
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  • [10:35:04] <Quinto> hi, i have a problem with my BBB. i cant connect y pc to Board with SSH connection
  • [10:35:31] <Quinto> yesterday was all ok... today is impossible open a terminal on BBB
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  • [10:37:23] <Quinto> any help for me?
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  • [10:37:45] <Biodragon> Can you ping the ip? Do you have a serial debug cable?
  • [10:38:13] <Biodragon> Do the lights act normal?
  • [10:38:19] <Quinto> yes
  • [10:39:05] <Quinto> i can ping 192.168.7.2 from my pc
  • [10:39:20] <Quinto> i have a usb cable
  • [10:40:20] <Biodragon> do you have the serial cable?
  • [10:40:21] <Quinto> Connecting to SSH2 server 192.168.7.2:22.
  • [10:40:21] <Quinto> 11:39:47.339 Connection failed. Connect() failed: Windows error 10061: Impossibile stabilire la connessione. Rifiuto persistente del computer di destinazione.
  • [10:40:33] <Quinto> no i havent
  • [10:42:02] <Biodragon> best to order that, I think I had the same issue and had to remove the rsa key in /etc/dropbear/
  • [10:45:13] <Quinto> on pc?
  • [10:45:16] <Biodragon> with the FTDI cable, you would be able to go back in and check what's going on
  • [10:45:16] <Quinto> or on BBB
  • [10:45:17] <frv_> Quinto: try ssh -vvv <ip>
  • [10:45:20] <Biodragon> no on the BBB
  • [10:45:45] <Quinto> i'm trying it from windows
  • [10:45:52] <Quinto> i must open VM
  • [10:46:44] <Quinto> frv_: OpenSSH_5.3p1 Debian-3ubuntu3, OpenSSL 0.9.8k 25 Mar 2009
  • [10:46:44] <Quinto> debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
  • [10:46:44] <Quinto> debug1: Applying options for *
  • [10:46:44] <Quinto> debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0
  • [10:46:44] <Quinto> debug1: Connecting to 192.168.7.2 [192.168.7.2] port 22.
  • [10:46:45] <Quinto> debug1: connect to address 192.168.7.2 port 22: Connection refused
  • [10:46:45] <Quinto> ssh: connect to host 192.168.7.2 port 22: Connection refused
  • [10:47:04] <Biodragon> seems it's not running at all
  • [10:47:49] <Quinto> i have serial cape.. is possible use Uart2 for debug?
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  • [10:48:11] <kd_> anyone to help..???????////
  • [10:48:34] <Quinto> i can modify uEnv.txt on Beagle!
  • [10:48:52] <Quinto> is possible?
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  • [10:50:40] <Quinto> Biodragon: ?
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  • [10:52:58] <Biodragon> yes it's possible
  • [10:53:05] <Quinto> Biodragon: how?
  • [10:53:14] <Quinto> what i must insert on my uEnv.txt?
  • [10:53:15] <Quinto> plz
  • [10:54:07] <frv_> Quinto: nmap <ip>
  • [10:55:02] <Quinto> frv_: on my pc?
  • [10:55:15] <frv_> yes
  • [10:57:21] <Biodragon> what must you insert in uEnv.txt to achieve what?
  • [10:57:41] <Biodragon> at the moment, you are unable to access the BBB and don't have a serial FTDI cable
  • [11:00:26] <Quinto> Biodragon: i have BBB disk
  • [11:00:34] <Quinto> i view BBB disk
  • [11:00:42] <Quinto> with Env
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  • [11:05:46] <Quinto> frv_: i have some problem with nmap
  • [11:08:49] <frv_> Quinto: what kind of pb ?
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  • [11:12:53] <Quinto> frv_: is impossible connect VM to internet
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  • [11:27:11] <Quinto> frv_: ok:lucid@ubuntu:~$ nmap 192.168.7.2
  • [11:27:11] <Quinto>
  • [11:27:11] <Quinto> Starting Nmap 5.00 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2013-11-13 03:26 PST
  • [11:27:11] <Quinto> Interesting ports on 192.168.7.2:
  • [11:27:11] <Quinto> Not shown: 998 closed ports
  • [11:27:12] <Quinto> PORT STATE SERVICE
  • [11:27:12] <Quinto> 80/tcp open http
  • [11:27:13] <Quinto> 3000/tcp open ppp
  • [11:27:13] <Quinto>
  • [11:27:14] <Quinto> Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 0.18 seconds
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  • [11:32:07] <Quinto> frv_:
  • [11:32:32] <frv_> ok so dropbear is down
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  • [11:33:31] <Quinto> then i have connected bbb on my pc with serial
  • [11:33:37] <Quinto> on UART2
  • [11:33:44] <Quinto> with this console=ttyO2,115200n8 on uEnv.txt
  • [11:33:53] <Quinto> and now i view console with serial port!
  • [11:34:33] <Biodragon> nice
  • [11:34:46] <Quinto> but at login
  • [11:34:52] <Quinto> i view incorrect password!
  • [11:35:10] <Quinto> Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session
  • [11:35:18] <Quinto> what is?
  • [11:35:34] <Biodragon> never seen that before, what did you do on your BBB previously ?
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  • [11:36:05] <frv_> if you boot from internal emmc, you could put a system image on a microsd to boot from it and see what's going on
  • [11:36:44] <Quinto> frv_: i dont undstand!
  • [11:38:11] <Quinto> how boot from it?
  • [11:38:43] <frv_> Just put it in the slot and power on while pushing user button
  • [11:40:00] <frv_> I thing your original system is winky, something like cannot allocate pts, erhaps root fs mounted ro or so. Once booted from external sd you can investigate the internal mmc fs
  • [11:40:21] <Quinto> if i hold push button at start
  • [11:40:25] <Quinto> i update system
  • [11:40:33] <Quinto> and i lose all eMMC file
  • [11:40:52] <frv_> ?????????
  • [11:40:57] <Biodragon> if you hold push button, it will boot from microSD
  • [11:41:14] <Quinto> i must only push or hold!
  • [11:41:19] <Biodragon> if you have a eMMC flasher on microSD, yes it will flash the eMMC
  • [11:41:26] <Biodragon> if you have a regular OS, it will just boot it
  • [11:41:37] <Biodragon> push and hold for a few seconds while you power it up
  • [11:42:11] <Quinto> so now
  • [11:42:30] <Quinto> i put SD
  • [11:42:36] <Quinto> and push user boot
  • [11:43:23] <Quinto> insert SD
  • [11:43:30] <Quinto> hold push button
  • [11:43:33] <Quinto> and powe it
  • [11:43:34] <Quinto> ?
  • [11:43:41] <Biodragon> sure
  • [11:44:35] <Quinto> ok
  • [11:44:41] <Quinto> it dont start
  • [11:45:02] <frv_> what's on the console ?
  • [11:45:03] <Biodragon> stop push button
  • [11:45:13] <Quinto> yes stop push button
  • [11:45:26] <Quinto> on console nothing
  • [11:45:32] <Quinto> with hold push it reflash eMMC
  • [11:46:13] <frv_> what kind of image do you use on microSD ?
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  • [11:46:29] <Quinto> LOL
  • [11:46:45] <Quinto> BBB-eMMC-flasher-v2013.06-2013.10.20.img
  • [11:46:47] <Quinto> :D
  • [11:47:03] <Biodragon> ok that's a flasher image, it will erase eMMC and install that image
  • [11:47:17] <Quinto> my error :(
  • [11:47:21] <Quinto> but no problem!
  • [11:47:23] <Quinto> i have all
  • [11:47:27] <Quinto> on my pc
  • [11:47:56] <Quinto> any question for you
  • [11:48:16] <frv_> this said you should now have a clean system ;-)
  • [11:48:28] <Biodragon> hehe
  • [11:48:34] <Quinto> In default there are 4 gpio enable
  • [11:48:40] <Quinto> but if I want an other gpio?
  • [11:48:44] <Quinto> for example 1_17?
  • [11:48:47] <Quinto> mode 7
  • [11:48:53] <Quinto> i must do an overlay?
  • [11:48:57] <Quinto> Device tree
  • [11:49:11] <Quinto> or i must modified Kernel and recompile it ?
  • [11:50:38] <frv_> http://www.armhf.com/index.php/using-beaglebone-black-gpios/
  • [11:52:08] <Quinto> yes but this 4 gpio are enable of default
  • [11:52:13] <Quinto> 1_17 no
  • [11:52:24] <Quinto> i think that i must do a Device tree
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  • [12:07:14] <Quinto> frv_: ?
  • [12:07:16] <Quinto> Biodragon: ?
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  • [12:08:30] <woglinde> no no no
  • [12:09:06] <woglinde> do your honework
  • [12:09:10] <woglinde> homework
  • [12:09:44] <Quinto> ah ok
  • [12:09:51] <Quinto> then with echo ecc....
  • [12:09:53] <Quinto> no?
  • [12:16:11] <Quinto> it work :)
  • [12:16:19] <woglinde> use devicetree overlay
  • [12:16:31] <Quinto> yes
  • [12:17:33] <woglinde> good
  • [12:17:34] <woglinde> do it
  • [12:17:39] <Quinto> yes
  • [12:17:45] <Quinto> i've already doing
  • [12:18:19] <ragnar76> on serial debug, is there no pwr pin? only rx/tx and gnd?
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  • [12:29:32] <korra> hi all
  • [12:29:45] <korra> is there a way to get my BBB to boot off sd card without holding the usr button?
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  • [12:38:38] <dm8tbr> korra: nuke MLO on the eMMC
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  • [12:44:10] <korra> @dm8tbr thanks. Also any idea why it doesn't boot emmc correctly when sd card is present but usr is not pressed? I get 3 solid leds, no ssh, no cron jobs starting
  • [12:46:56] <dm8tbr> yes, there's something that messes up certain uboot versions if a card is inserted. I think this was fixed though?
  • [12:47:13] <dm8tbr> there is also a workaround by editing the uenv.txt IIRC
  • [12:50:57] <Quinto> workaournd?
  • [12:51:03] <Quinto> dm8tbr: what you mean^
  • [12:51:35] <dm8tbr> It was discussed on IRC and on the mailing list.
  • [12:51:55] <korra> np, I'll know what to look for now thanks
  • [12:52:08] <korra> and first of all check if it still happens after flashing latest image
  • [12:53:40] <Quinto> ah ok
  • [12:54:57] <korra> I wonder opkg update&&upgrade still going to break everything on the latest image like it did on what the BBB came with
  • [12:55:20] <woglinde> korra because angstroem repository seems to be not maintained lately
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  • [12:55:46] <korra> are you guys using ubuntu then?
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  • [12:58:34] <KotH> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/223
  • [12:58:59] <korra> hah
  • [12:59:08] <korra> oh I know pain
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  • [13:03:09] <KotH> the more important question is: do you enjoy it?
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  • [13:04:43] <bitnumus> Hey, whats the cheapest 4" screen thats compatible (has drivers) for beaglebone? apart from the 'official' one i am aware of ?
  • [13:06:40] <Quinto> i'm doing an overlay function for enable GPIO 1_17 mode 4
  • [13:07:33] <Quinto> in pinctrl-single,pins = < ???? 0x4 what i must type for pintrl-single ?
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  • [13:11:42] <woglinde> hi koth
  • [13:11:58] <dhamilt9> Anyone have any new info on when the angstrom site might be back up?
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  • [13:15:53] <Quinto> woglinde: you can help me?
  • [13:16:57] <KotH> heyo woglinde
  • [13:22:12] <ragnar76> is there a way to wipe the emmc completly?
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  • [13:23:43] <Quinto> in pinctrl-single,pins = < ???? 0x4 what i must type for pintrl-single ?
  • [13:23:46] <Quinto> i'm doing an overlay function for enable GPIO 1_17 mode 4
  • [13:23:48] <_SY_> I am having big trouble with node.js and socket.io on the BBB...
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  • [13:25:00] <_SY_> I have written a HTTP server in node that works fine and it also listens to port 80 for socket.io, this works on my PC, but not on BBB....the HTTP part of it works find, but the socket.io doesn't. I've disabled bonescript chaning it to port 8081...scratching head on how to fault find.
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  • [13:26:10] <Quinto> where i view The two arguments that go in pinctrl-single, pins is the address in memory for the pin and the mux mode. ?
  • [13:26:54] <KotH> Quinto: in the documentation
  • [13:26:59] <Quinto> where?
  • [13:27:02] <Quinto> i dont find it!
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  • [13:29:51] <ragnar76> i finally made a kernel panic again :/
  • [13:31:07] <av500> no need to wipe emmc
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  • [13:31:20] <av500> 0-bits weigh as much a 1-bits
  • [13:31:35] <woglinde> gm av500
  • [13:32:09] <_SY_> Can anyone help me to debug why a socket.io on the BBB doesn't work?
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  • [13:33:47] <Quinto> KotH:where i can find this documentation?
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  • [13:34:32] <KotH> Documentation/
  • [13:34:34] <KotH> as always
  • [13:34:51] <Quinto> on BBB?
  • [13:35:06] <KotH> i dont know where you have your kernel tree
  • [13:35:43] <ragnar76> av500: debian telle me that /dev/mmblk0p1 is busy and stops installing
  • [13:35:57] <av500> so?
  • [13:36:06] <av500> how is wiping going to help?
  • [13:36:09] <Quinto> KotH: i have a demo image
  • [13:36:10] <av500> just start the install again
  • [13:36:13] <_SY_> My socket handler never gets called....the node app responds and delivers files via http, but I never get any requests to the socket handler, but the same code running on a PC with node works fine.
  • [13:36:17] <Quinto> i dont have kernel source
  • [13:36:19] <ragnar76> i'm not able to install
  • [13:36:29] <ragnar76> av500: did that 2 or 3 times
  • [13:36:41] <av500> then something is wrong with that install image
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  • [13:37:22] <ragnar76> av500: md5 is ok
  • [13:37:53] <av500> well
  • [13:37:55] <av500> yes
  • [13:38:16] <av500> I did not suggest the download failed
  • [13:38:36] <av500> if an install image fails to install, it is by definition *not* an install imge
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  • [13:42:31] <_SY_> ?
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  • [13:42:59] <av500> it fails to install
  • [13:43:01] <av500> thus its bad
  • [13:43:10] <av500> what else is there to say?
  • [13:43:26] <ragnar76> i dont know
  • [13:44:46] <ogra_> you should file a bug at the respective bugtracker for this installer
  • [13:45:23] <ragnar76> i will try something elese first
  • [13:46:14] <Quinto> KotH: in kernel source?
  • [13:46:50] <KotH> Quinto: yes
  • [13:46:56] <Quinto> ahh ok
  • [13:47:12] <_SY_> how do you upgrade / update node.js on a BBB ?
  • [13:47:38] <_SY_> the version on my PC is v0.10.22 which is current, on the BBB its v0..8.22
  • [13:50:45] <av500> jkridner: ^^^
  • [13:50:59] <_SY_> whats the difference between nodejs and nodejs4 ? There are two different versions and it doesn't appear that a later version is available for the Angstrom distribution.
  • [13:51:18] <jkridner> *sigh*
  • [13:51:59] <jkridner> _SY_: you'd need to move to distro that has a newer nodejs, update the nodejs recipes or compile it natively
  • [13:52:13] <jkridner> _SY_: several people have written blog posts about it if you Google search
  • [13:52:30] <jkridner> nodejs4 is 0.4.x....
  • [13:52:32] <_SY_> I've tried this before, and found that of all the distributions available that Angstrom is the better.
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  • [13:53:02] <jkridner> we've been using an older install of cloud9 IDE that requires an older nodejs
  • [13:53:19] <Quinto> KotH: thanks, and for example: "pwm_mosfet_ext1_pins: pinmux_pwm_mosfet_ext1_pins{" where i find this header?
  • [13:53:21] <_SY_> Also I have a lot of stuff already done and working on this distrubtion. I've disabled cloud9
  • [13:53:22] <jkridner> Staying on 0.8.22 is probably the best thing for you which is what I was trying to tell you yesterday.
  • [13:53:55] <jkridner> _SY_: getting socket.io to work with 0.8.22 is easy and I pointed out that BoneScript is already using it so you have an example.
  • [13:54:10] <vmayoral> KotH: Hi, i tried to reach you yesterday night
  • [13:54:10] <jkridner> you didn't give enough of your code (please don't past into the discussion!)
  • [13:54:11] <_SY_> I'm trying to determine why the socket isn't getting any requests to connect, at the moment I'm blind....is there any tools or anything I can do to help?
  • [13:54:36] <vmayoral> KotH: you mentioned that you could share with me your "eduroam" configuration using wicd
  • [13:54:38] <jkridner> lots of things to figure out why the socket isn't responding.
  • [13:54:41] <_SY_> I'll create a paste bin entry now.
  • [13:55:23] <jkridner> I'm a big fan of starting with some small successes and building upon them.
  • [13:55:49] <jkridner> _SY_: github is really nice to share entire directories
  • [13:55:55] <KotH> vmayoral: heyo... sorry, went to bed early
  • [13:56:07] <KotH> vmayoral: yes. i have it on my laptop, but that is at home
  • [13:56:35] <vmayoral> KotH: no problem, i can try it tonight again or if you prefer i can send you an email with the request
  • [13:56:50] <KotH> try this evening again
  • [13:56:58] <_SY_> I don't want to post the entire project....but hopefully here is enough to show what I'm doing...as I said this works on PC. http://pastebin.com/ixZmu2xi
  • [13:56:58] <Quinto> where i view in an overlay for example: "pwm_mosfet_ext1_pins: pinmux_pwm_mosfet_ext1_pins{" where i find this header in kernel source
  • [13:57:03] <vmayoral> KotH: i will do. Thanks!
  • [13:58:07] <korra> is there a soft float version of ubuntu precise image anywhere in the wild?
  • [13:58:45] <jkridner> _SY_: guess you disabled bonescript that is taking up port 80 already? 'systemctl disable bonescript.socket'?
  • [13:59:08] <jkridner> _SY_: guess you confirmed somehow in your code that you are getting control over the port?
  • [13:59:12] <_SY_> Yep, I did that I even edited the bonescript.socket and changed the port from 80 to 8081.
  • [13:59:24] <jkridner> and restarted?
  • [13:59:35] <_SY_> I did restart, yes.
  • [14:00:05] <jkridner> socket.io was installed using 'npm install -g socket.io'?
  • [14:00:24] <_SY_> When I didn't disable bonescript, my script would terminate immediately, with binescript modified, it now runs, but doesn't respond to socket.io requests.
  • [14:00:43] <_SY_> I don't think I did -g, what does that do?
  • [14:01:35] <jkridner> _SY_: FYI, http://pastebin.com/SXJtv87N is the list of versions of modules I have installed currently in /usr/lib/node_modules
  • [14:02:15] <_SY_> ty, I will do the same
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  • [14:04:01] <_SY_> http://pastebin.com/1NZgQM5z Not sure why but there are a bunch of odd characters.
  • [14:05:40] <ogra_> korra, no
  • [14:06:06] <av500> just compile your own
  • [14:07:49] <jkridner> _SY_: -g puts it into /usr/lib/node_modules rather than $PWD/node_modules
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  • [14:08:52] <korra> so what are my options for ubuntu + mono? It looks like armhf support is still nonexistent
  • [14:09:14] <_SY_> In /usr/lib/node_modules I have: http://pastebin.com/TqG2LUA9
  • [14:09:24] <av500> korra: dont use ubuntu then
  • [14:09:28] <Quinto> where i view in an overlay for example: "pwm_mosfet_ext1_pins: pinmux_pwm_mosfet_ext1_pins{" where i find this header in kernel source?
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  • [14:13:05] <jkridner|work> _SY_: echo $NODE_PATH should say /usr/lib/node_modules
  • [14:13:15] <_SY_> it is
  • [14:13:45] <jkridner|work> _SY_: just remember that node will load (app dir)/node_modules before $NODE_PATH
  • [14:13:47] <_SY_> I'm wondering if its the listen call thats the problem, I am using app.listen(80);
  • [14:14:30] <jkridner|work> you get the listening on port message, right?
  • [14:14:42] <jkridner|work> and the app sits there waiting, right?
  • [14:15:05] <_SY_> It doesn't display anything except my diagnostic messages.
  • [14:15:32] <jkridner|work> nothing from info.msg?
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  • [14:15:40] <jkridner|work> might help to put in a console.log there.
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  • [14:16:24] <jkridner|work> have you tried more of a "hello world" for socket.io?
  • [14:16:35] <_SY_> I have plenty of console messages in the code...before I listen I display something, then it waits and I get nothing, I display a console message in my socket handler, but it never gets called.
  • [14:16:53] <_SY_> My call to set-up my app is: var app = http.createServer(httpServer.defaultHandler),
  • [14:17:06] <_SY_> then io.sockets.on("connection", socketHandler);
  • [14:17:29] <ogra_> korra, use debian armel then or donate to http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu
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  • [14:17:42] <av500> lol
  • [14:17:43] <_SY_> app.listen(intSocketPort); intSocketPort is 80
  • [14:17:48] <av500> I was about to suggest he orders some rpis
  • [14:18:06] <av500> ogra_: but thens its armv6 only
  • [14:18:24] <ogra_> well, still better than debian armel
  • [14:18:31] <ogra_> which is v5t or so
  • [14:18:57] <KotH> ogra_: building on a rpi? seriously?
  • [14:19:10] <ogra_> KotH, ask alan bell :)
  • [14:19:23] <KotH> ogra_: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/167
  • [14:19:25] <ogra_> but well, traditionally all debian and ubuntu builds are native
  • [14:19:33] <Quinto> Where i download the last kernel for beaglebone black?
  • [14:19:36] <jonpry> whats wrong with debian armhf?
  • [14:19:40] <korra> I'm trying to find a debian armel image, the wiki seems to only have armhf?
  • [14:20:04] <ogra_> jonpry, it uses the same mono as ubuntu armhf ...
  • [14:20:14] <KotH> ogra_: yes, and because we always did it that way, we should do it the same way in 1000 years too
  • [14:20:18] <korra> lol @KotH, so relevant after 4+ hours of compiling mono
  • [14:20:41] <jkridner|work> Quinto: source is at http://github.com/beagleboard/kernel as patches and that eventually makes it to http://github.com/beagleboard/linux as a patched tree
  • [14:20:59] <Quinto> thanks
  • [14:21:54] <ogra_> KotH, no, there is work on making multiarch better ... but that goes on since several years ... its not about cross building but about getting the depejndency chain of the package mgmt right when doing that
  • [14:22:10] <korra> my beaglebone has had about a week of uninterrupted uptime since I got it but today it repeatedly browned out while trying to compile mono, had to get a better power supply just for that
  • [14:22:33] <KotH> ogra_: and that's so complicated!
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  • [14:22:48] <KotH> ogra_: like they dont have to do that already
  • [14:22:53] <jkridner|work> Quinto: be sure to look at the 3.12 branch for the very latest. 3.8 for shipping kernels.
  • [14:23:07] <ogra_> KotH, not my area of expertise, but it seems pretty complicated, yeah
  • [14:23:22] <Quinto> jkridner|work: i want 3.8.13 kernl
  • [14:23:26] <Quinto> of beaglebone black
  • [14:23:32] <Quinto> i need view pinmux
  • [14:23:44] <jkridner|work> k. 3.8 branch
  • [14:24:18] <Quinto> jkridner|work: how download it with git on my pc?
  • [14:24:21] <ogra_> KotH, it works fine on x86 vs amd64 already though ... where the target isnt CPU compatible to the host it gets trickier apparently
  • [14:24:32] <jkridner|work> github has git tutorials.
  • [14:24:50] <KotH> ogra_: the tricky part is that a lot of upstream do not support cross compilation
  • [14:24:58] <ogra_> that too, yeah
  • [14:25:04] <KotH> ogra_: but thats something all of the embedded distros have already solved
  • [14:25:32] <ogra_> KotH, well, as ubuntu dev i have no issues with native builds ... the tons of calxeda nodes ubuntu has in the datacenter make that relatively painless
  • [14:26:16] <ogra_> and you *can* recompile in an armhf chroot on x86, not that hard either ...
  • [14:27:19] <ogra_> the part where you just tell your source "hey buiold me an armhf binary" without having to jump through any hoops is trickier though
  • [14:27:52] <ogra_> (that is what multiarch is actually after)
  • [14:29:48] <korra> ok I give up, is there an armel debian image out there that I'm not finding?
  • [14:30:12] <ogra_> just bootstrap one ...
  • [14:30:33] <ogra_> you can use the kernel from the existing armhf image and bootstrap your own rootfs
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  • [14:31:09] <korra> I dunno how to say this but I'm kind of a windows peasant mostly so anything beyond a prebaked image is over my head
  • [14:31:23] <ogra_> google for debootstrap ...
  • [14:31:30] <korra> alright
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  • [14:32:03] <ogra_> you can run it on your armhf install to create a chroot, make a tarball of that and unpack it to a new, properly set up SD
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  • [14:32:42] <_SY_> I've changed the log level to debug and enabled logging, now I'm seeing "info - socket.io started", and eventually a "debug - served static content /socket.io.js" but thats it...still the sockethandler never gets called.
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  • [14:36:35] <korra> @ogra_ is it going to look something like debootstrap --verbose --arch armel --foreign lenny /armel-chroot http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian ?
  • [14:36:56] <ogra_> no need for --foreign if you run it on the bone
  • [14:37:30] <korra> yeah but that's the general idea yes? I'll give it a shot tomorrow
  • [14:37:39] <ogra_> korra, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core also has tarballs iirc ... they need you to do soem set up though
  • [14:38:12] <jkridner|work> _SY_: just to do the simple hello world on http://socket.io: http://pastebin.com/TeKRe9uy
  • [14:40:29] <jkridner|work> _SY_: I suggest starting with something small like that to work up your confidence about socket.io.... as far as your app, you should be able to tell from both sides when a socket is opened and what is moved across it.
  • [14:41:06] <jkridner|work> Quinto: again, I don't provide answers to support questions in private messages. don't ask again.
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  • [14:41:38] <R2E4> Hi guys
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  • [14:45:51] <_SY_> Just tried that...doesn't work either.
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  • [14:48:36] <_SY_> OMG, so sorry for wasting your time, I am a complete idiot!
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  • [14:49:50] <_SY_> Completely overlooked the client side connection that worked on my PC...because DOH!!!! I was connecting to locahost on my PC which was also running node.js, I am now trying to remotely connect to BBB from my PC...but BBB is also sending out a client connection to localhost, so it would never work.
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  • [14:50:07] <_SY_> Having addressed this issue, it now works perfectly.
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  • [14:56:16] <jkridner|work> _SY_: :-)
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  • [14:57:39] <_SY_> Always the simple things that proove the most difficult to find.
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  • [16:37:11] <jjc> Hello #beagle, I have a question! If I am writing a custom image (i.e. the standard angstrom image with packages installed, tweaks etc nothing major) to a uSD card using win32 disk imager (it's a .img file) should the image seemingly install itsself on the uSD card or stay as a .img file? What I mean by this is that I get the standard "Getting Started" partition when i view the uSD card in windows explorer.
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  • [16:43:30] <dm8tbr> what it won't show you is that there is this large linux partition
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  • [16:59:21] <ozancaglayan> hi
  • [16:59:39] <ozancaglayan> is it possible to flash ubuntu to beaglebone black without having a microsd card, through a host computer?
  • [17:02:59] <KotH> probably
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  • [17:03:20] <KotH> but you most probably would have to write the software to do that yourself
  • [17:04:01] <ogra_> you could also print it out on punchcards and use a USB punchcard reader
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  • [17:08:04] <cwilson> ogra_: can't say i've seen one of those recently...
  • [17:08:24] <ogra_> details :)
  • [17:09:11] <ogra_> i wonder if it would fill more than a garage if you printed it out though
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  • [17:11:35] <R2E4> Anyone alive here?
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  • [17:13:28] <D4v33> Hi all, whats the fastest rate that the beaglebone can toggle an IO pin?
  • [17:13:38] <D4v33> from kernel space.
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  • [17:19:16] <KotH> D4v33: from the cpu? theoretically: once per IO clock cycle
  • [17:19:20] <KotH> D4v33: practically, it's less
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  • [17:21:01] <KotH> D4v33: that can do 200Mt/s guaranteed
  • [17:21:08] <KotH> D4v33: on 16 pins
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  • [18:00:26] <anujdeshpande> anyone had any issues with connecting arch linux (wicd as my network manager) with the beaglbone black ?
  • [18:00:29] <D4v33> KotH: I200Mt/s?
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  • [18:01:41] <TooLmaN> Hi Guys. I have a kernel driver patch file to roll into my BBB kernel. Where in the structure do I place it? Does the patch.sh command automatically pull it if it's in the patches directory? Thanks
  • [18:02:23] <TooLmaN> Based on instructions at: http://wiki.beyondlogic.org/index.php/BeagleBoneBlack_Building_Kernel and http://elinux.org/Building_BBB_Kernel
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  • [18:04:05] <D4v33> I'm on a freescale i.mx6 running at 1GHz which seems to be really slow toggling a pin, High Low High the low takes 300ns, I having little support from freescale so the nearest active project device is the beagle bone. My linux kernel is quite old 2.6.35 but I would expected faster access times.
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  • [18:05:36] <D4v33> KotH: ahh million transfer per second :)
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  • [18:06:19] <tyrok_laptop> Does Robert Nelson work for BeagleBoard?
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  • [18:18:11] <kiran> hi buddy
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  • [18:19:21] <Guest25423> any body in
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  • [18:22:48] <myself> did you read the topic?
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  • [18:26:01] <dm8tbr> reading the topic is overrated
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  • [18:33:59] <ogra_> s/the topic//
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  • [18:38:44] <R2E4> Anyone around?
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  • [18:43:53] <dhamilt9> Anyone have any info on when the angstrom site might be back up?
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  • [19:15:08] <mark4> well i found my bug but of course there are more
  • [19:15:29] <mark4> and yea it was very simple and yea if gdb had not be a complete bitch i would have found it in 5 minutes not 3 or 4 days
  • [19:16:11] <mark4> koth whers my chocolate!
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  • [19:45:10] <KotH> mark4: could you explain me again why forth is a great language?
  • [19:45:45] <KotH> mark4: i know a dozen programming languages, half of them claim the same as you did with forth, the other half claims to be better than the others at that
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  • [19:50:12] <mark4> koth forth is more space efficient than pure assembler for any non trivial language. development time in forth (again assuming non trivial) is orders of magnitued faster than "almost?" any other language
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  • [19:50:38] <mark4> i wrote a complete replaement for libncurses after 8 hours of man 5 terminfo, it took me 3 hours to write it
  • [19:50:49] <mark4> it was at that time 4k compiled. its about 6k ish now
  • [19:50:54] <thurgood> as far as I know they're mostly turing complete, so it comes down to deficiencies over power of a language
  • [19:51:16] <mark4> forth is not a programming language in the traditional sense
  • [19:51:29] <mark4> with forth YOU define the syntax, YOU define the language
  • [19:51:35] <mark4> you define them to fit your given problem
  • [19:52:28] <mark4> forth encourages you to THINK in more logical ways to resolve a problem
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  • [19:52:39] <mark4> it encourages you to factor your code down to the minutest detail
  • [19:52:55] <mark4> if you see yourself doing blah blah 1 + blah blah blah in enoughn places
  • [19:53:02] <mark4> you define : 1+ 1 + ;
  • [19:53:22] <mark4> though usually 1+ is defined, that was just an example of the sort of thing forth encourages you to do
  • [19:53:59] <mark4> its very difficult for a forth coder to explain EXACTLY why forth is so good to someone who does not know forth
  • [19:54:26] <mark4> because most people hear these types of claims and either dismiss them outright or say "yea but language zzzzz says the same thing"
  • [19:54:37] <mark4> they may say it but they cant compete with how well forth does it
  • [19:54:41] <mark4> not by a long shot
  • [19:54:58] <mark4> chuck moore who invented forth says that forth is THE software engineering solution
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  • [19:55:38] <thurgood> so do most language creators.. nothing new there
  • [19:55:39] <mark4> i.e. if you have a problem that you need to code a solution for, the solution would be better solved with forth
  • [19:55:42] <KotH> ok. i dismiss the claim with assembler, because for obvious reasons it cannot be true
  • [19:55:52] <KotH> the rest are claims that i've heard for every other language
  • [19:55:54] <mark4> that forth is more space efficient than assembler?
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  • [19:56:06] <KotH> they are general, vague and not backed up
  • [19:56:13] <mark4> for any non trivial application forth will be about half the size of the equiv assembler
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  • [19:56:28] <thurgood> LOC or binary?
  • [19:56:28] <mark4> and about 100 times smaller than the equiv c
  • [19:56:32] <KotH> i had a look at the syntax of forth yesterday and what i found was a language that is very simply strucutred and has good extensibility
  • [19:56:33] <mark4> binary
  • [19:56:43] <KotH> but nothing too fancy to get exited with
  • [19:56:46] <thurgood> I call BS on smaller than assmeler
  • [19:56:59] <mark4> it is totally extensible, thats what it was designed for
  • [19:57:08] <thurgood> unless the author is an idiot
  • [19:57:08] <mark4> thurgood, most non forthers do
  • [19:57:34] <mark4> forth is THE single best choice for any embedded application where space is limited
  • [19:57:35] <mark4> period
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  • [19:57:52] <agmlego> I think mark4 and I finally found something we agree on.
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  • [19:58:03] <mark4> agmlego, you code forth?
  • [19:58:06] <KotH> mark4: ok, explain me one little thing: how can any language be more space efficient than simple opcodes? because in the end of the day, the language has to be turned into opcodes
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  • [19:58:12] <agmlego> Starting to, yes.
  • [19:58:31] <mark4> i have a forth coder friend who says "Developing embedded applications in C is like opening a can... With a ROCK"
  • [19:58:36] <agmlego> KotH: Because the program does not need to be opcodes.
  • [19:59:01] <agmlego> And the interpreter never changes size.
  • [19:59:12] <KotH> yes, but you can do the same in asm
  • [19:59:19] <mark4> actually byte encoded java can also be WAY smaller than the eqiv assembler
  • [19:59:30] <mark4> a minimal embedded java is VERY space efficient
  • [19:59:38] <myself> look ma, my compression routine is also a language!
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  • [19:59:51] <KotH> i've written a couple of IDL's myself, i know that you can do quite compact code with that. but you still can do that in any other language too
  • [19:59:51] <agmlego> myself: Pretty much, actually.
  • [20:00:07] <mark4> koth my forth kernel IS written in assembler
  • [20:00:27] <mark4> its what you can do with the ENTIRE api that it provides
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  • [20:00:50] <mark4> it gives YOU the ability to define syntax. to define an entirely NEW language to solve the specific problem at hand
  • [20:00:59] <KotH> as for the extensibility, i think scheme or erlang beat what forth can do by quite a lot
  • [20:01:01] <mark4> forth is a language that lest you redefine what IT is to fit what YOU need
  • [20:01:17] <mark4> koth do you program scheme or erlang?
  • [20:01:22] <KotH> as for style, pascal beats forth easily, python or erlang isn't bad either
  • [20:01:30] <KotH> mark4: did
  • [20:01:38] <KotH> mark4: as i said, i know a couple of languages
  • [20:01:55] <mark4> koth when you can also code forth to the same extend you can code them THEN and ONLY THEN come back and repeat that they do it better than forth :)
  • [20:02:21] <mark4> of course... in that regard i am also cheating
  • [20:02:40] <mark4> but ill wager if you learned forth to the same extent i know it then you would agree
  • [20:03:10] <KotH> the thing is, it takes quite some time to learn a language. if it doesnt have any interesting features that i want to try out and see how they apply in real world scenarios, then i dont tend to invest that time
  • [20:03:20] <KotH> and so far forth failed at that
  • [20:03:36] <mark4> not forth. you can learn the basics in a very short time. there is an initial learning curve which is really just a mental block
  • [20:03:45] <KotH> it actually looks like a langauge i might have designed in higschool if i would have used a HP calculator ;)
  • [20:03:46] <mark4> because forth does things VASTLY different to almost everything else
  • [20:04:13] <mark4> actually i thnk HP calcs might have forth internally. i wouldnt quote me on that, im not 100% sure
  • [20:04:20] <KotH> scheme's langauge defnition fits onto an A4 sheet
  • [20:04:29] <KotH> including explenations
  • [20:04:44] <mark4> a minimalist forth kernel has only about 12 or 13 primitives
  • [20:05:09] <KotH> i know that hp uses forth internal (or at least used to until some time) and quite a bit of their programmable calculators were forth interpreters
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  • [20:05:12] <mark4> im not sure exactly how many, i never do fully minimalist forths :)
  • [20:05:21] <mark4> i just dont do bloatificated crap like gforth
  • [20:05:24] <mark4> which isnt even forth
  • [20:07:21] <mark4> open firmware is a ANS forth (i hate ans forth)
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  • [20:08:07] <mark4> erm i know bongo from somewhere
  • [20:08:12] <mark4> #c maybe
  • [20:08:55] <mark4> koth www.isforth.com <-- download my sources
  • [20:09:03] <KotH> i looked at them
  • [20:09:09] <mark4> if they barf when you try to run them i know the fix
  • [20:09:14] <KotH> i saw too much x86 asm for my taste ;)
  • [20:09:15] <mark4> that only happens on debian based distros
  • [20:09:19] <mark4> lol
  • [20:09:24] <mark4> weener
  • [20:09:28] <mark4> cant handle x86 asm :P
  • [20:09:39] <mark4> i would love to learn x64 and convert that code
  • [20:09:47] <KotH> oh, i did a lot of x86 asm in the past, when i was young and needed the money
  • [20:10:00] <mark4> you dont need money?
  • [20:10:02] <mark4> !
  • [20:10:06] <mark4> share!!!
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  • [20:10:42] <bongo> what kind of operating system must be installed on my beagleboard to communication with Matlab/Simulink?
  • [20:10:56] <KotH> oh.. i'm making money with more fun things than writing x86 asm
  • [20:11:12] <KotH> bongo: that has nothing to do with the OS
  • [20:13:02] <bongo> it can be ubuntu? or what?
  • [20:13:52] <KotH> it can be windows or os/2 if it needs to be
  • [20:14:14] <KotH> communication with matlab is not a feature of an os but of the application running on top of the OS
  • [20:14:46] <KotH> mark4: any good reading material of forth? the web seems to be devoid of anything
  • [20:14:53] <KotH> mark4: and i dont feel like buying books
  • [20:15:11] <mark4> there is pretty much nothing that i would recommend :/
  • [20:15:19] <KotH> :-\
  • [20:15:27] <mark4> though
  • [20:15:40] <mark4> there is "starting forth" which covers the VERY basics
  • [20:15:46] <mark4> and is funny as hell
  • [20:15:48] <KotH> i've read that yesterday
  • [20:15:58] <mark4> now look for thinking forth
  • [20:16:07] <mark4> both by leo brodie
  • [20:17:31] <bongo> and which is most popular installed on beagleboeard to communication with simulink?
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  • [20:21:30] <KotH> i dont think many people are running anything on the beagles that has anything to do with simulink
  • [20:21:47] <KotH> beside, what are you doing with simulink that would require communication with a second computer?
  • [20:23:57] <ds2> forth is a great language because there are rom monitors that can run it!
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  • [20:25:38] <gui_> good evening
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  • [20:27:04] <bongo> KotH: i need to run communication between simulink on my computer and beaglebeard
  • [20:27:10] <KotH> mark4: that looks like a half decent book on general programming techniques :)
  • [20:27:12] <gui_> i've compiled a custom kernel on my host PC and I want to install it on my beaglebone. is it possible to replace just the kernel instead of flashing a whole new image?
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  • [20:27:20] <mark4> koth tada
  • [20:27:25] <KotH> gui_: yes
  • [20:27:49] <KotH> mark4: unfortunately, not much of forth yet
  • [20:28:29] <mark4> thinking forth is more about how to THINK in forth than how to code it
  • [20:29:33] <KotH> at least the book looks good enough to warant a second screening ;)
  • [20:29:44] <KotH> bongo: you already said that, you didnt say why
  • [20:29:45] <ds2> mark4: isn't forth thinking same as postscript thinking?
  • [20:29:57] <mark4> postscript was based on forth
  • [20:30:12] <KotH> bongo: i'm asking because i think you are looking for a solution of the wrong problem
  • [20:30:21] <KotH> mark4: eh what?
  • [20:30:50] <ds2> okay
  • [20:31:01] <bongo> KotH: because it will by my project on school
  • [20:31:04] <ds2> so is hp48 also based on forth? :D
  • [20:31:07] <mark4> loosely but it was based on it
  • [20:31:37] <KotH> eh.. really.. wiki lists forth as one of the anchestors of postscript
  • [20:31:38] <ds2> so did forth introduce the concept of a stack? :D
  • [20:31:46] <KotH> ds2: nope
  • [20:31:58] <KotH> ds2: stack based languages were around since the early 60s
  • [20:32:15] <KotH> ds2: actually, that was one of the first, if not the first programming model
  • [20:32:15] <mark4> c is a stack based language
  • [20:32:22] <thurgood> stacks predate computers as we know them
  • [20:32:28] <KotH> mark4: nack, c is not a stack based language
  • [20:32:29] <mark4> tho it has a very inefficient way of using the stack
  • [20:32:35] <mark4> koth yes it is
  • [20:32:41] <mark4> parameters are passed on the stack
  • [20:32:46] <KotH> mark4: c does not deal with memory allocation in its syntax
  • [20:32:53] <thurgood> function calls...
  • [20:33:06] <KotH> mark4: nope. c does not define where parameters have to be passed
  • [20:33:21] <KotH> mark4: it just says, the have to be passed in a certain order
  • [20:34:35] <KotH> thurgood: actually, c doesnt deal with a stack even in it's function calls. it only defines that returning from a function means to return to the execution point prior to calling the function
  • [20:34:57] <KotH> thurgood: the easiest way to implement that behaviour is of course a stack, but it does not need to be done that way
  • [20:35:20] <ds2> C is not explicitly a stack based lang
  • [20:35:22] <KotH> thurgood: and actually, some RISC based ABIs handle function calling without a stack
  • [20:35:35] <KotH> thurgood: at least to some extend ;)
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  • [20:36:54] <ds2> modern C compilers can do calls w/o stacks if a few requirements are met
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  • [20:37:23] <ds2> MSC did that back in the early 90's
  • [20:39:16] <KotH> ds2: a lot of compilers do that for a long time now
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  • [20:39:39] <KotH> ds2: but it was only for static functions
  • [20:39:53] <KotH> ds2: all others had to adhere to the ABI
  • [20:40:03] <KotH> ds2: and calling conventions
  • [20:40:26] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] clacey09 opened pull request #72: ASoC: davinci: McASP: Make code generic remove hardcode (3.8...3.8) http://git.io/mYUXsQ
  • [20:40:26] <thurgood> static or inline?
  • [20:40:35] <KotH> static
  • [20:40:39] <KotH> inline is a different beast
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  • [20:43:51] <alan_o> I heard about a ashow
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  • [20:45:30] <Russ> it would seem that any stack based language would suffer immensely on modern CPUs as it would not take proper advantage of registers
  • [20:45:36] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] RobertCNelson pushed 2 new commits to 3.8: http://git.io/EbVdEw
  • [20:45:36] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 a442d12 Cody Lacey: ASoC: davinci: McASP: Make code generic remove hardcode...
  • [20:45:36] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 03f7ef4 Robert Nelson: Merge pull request #72 from clacey09/3.8...
  • [20:45:43] <Russ> unless your compiler somehow did something magic
  • [20:46:31] <KotH> Russ: well, you can asign a couple of registers for the top most stack positions and only push if you really have to
  • [20:46:55] <KotH> Russ: given the fact that most operations take only one or two parameters from stack which have been just pushed, that should help
  • [20:47:01] <KotH> but yes, the other dozen registers are lost
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  • [20:47:28] <KotH> which reminds me, i wanted to read up on how dalvik works internally...
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  • [20:49:54] <Russ> conversely of courses its pretty easy to make a processor that can execute a stacked based language
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  • [20:50:48] <KotH> yes, but it would be slow by todays standards
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  • [20:51:21] <Russ> the only application I can imagine is if you need a complex state machine in fpga fabric
  • [20:51:36] <mark4> yea. which is why my forth compiler compiles code about 3000 times faster than gcc
  • [20:51:45] <mark4> lol
  • [20:52:09] * KotH pats mark4 on the head
  • [20:52:17] <mark4> ty
  • [20:52:18] <KotH> mark4: read again what i wrote
  • [20:52:22] <fastfourier> hey all, I just tried to update angstrom with the eMMC flasher image but it keeps installing the 12/2012 version ... any ideas?
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  • [20:53:24] <KotH> Russ: actually, if i would need a complex state machine, i would either code it in an intermediate language and use some magic to convert it to vhdl or use a processor (one of the pic16, avr or 8051) and do it there
  • [20:53:34] <dm8tbr> fastfourier: download a more recent flasher?
  • [20:53:51] <fastfourier> I'm trying to install the 2013/06/20 image
  • [20:54:01] <fastfourier> it's weird
  • [20:54:20] <dm8tbr> well what makes you think it's a 2012/12 image?
  • [20:54:24] <fastfourier> the update goes smoothly but cat /etc/angstrom-version still shows 2012/12
  • [20:54:35] <dm8tbr> what's the date on uname -a
  • [20:55:11] <fastfourier> Linux beaglebone 3.8.13 #1 SMP Tue Jun 18 02:11:09 EDT 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux
  • [20:55:18] <fastfourier> hmm
  • [20:55:41] <dm8tbr> so, like I thought. you misunderstood the distro base release for the image version
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  • [20:56:15] <fastfourier> so 2012/12 is the base version and uname -a shows the revision date?
  • [20:56:28] <fastfourier> i mean, image version
  • [20:57:30] <dm8tbr> no it just shows when the kernel was built
  • [20:58:25] <fastfourier> got it. Thanks dm8tbr!
  • [20:58:52] <dm8tbr> there might be another file in /etc/ telling you when the image was built, no idea
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  • [21:07:24] <Vaizki> quick one.. if I go from 3.8 kernel to 3.12, will something break besides pwm apparently?
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  • [21:14:17] <gui_> how unusual is to compile ubuntu kernel in less then 15 minutes? (really building, not rebuilding)
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  • [21:16:17] <georgem> probably not that unusual
  • [21:16:50] <gui_> because the last time I tried, it took 4 hours
  • [21:17:05] <georgem> What CPU?
  • [21:17:13] <georgem> Using an SSD?
  • [21:17:29] <gui_> the 15 min run on a macbook retine 15"
  • [21:17:31] <gui_> yes ssd
  • [21:17:59] <thurgood> if you kept the last built objects and made minimal changes it will compile in a couple of minutes
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  • [21:18:48] <georgem> I build with -j24 on my core i7 980 and pretty damn quick
  • [21:19:00] <georgem> maxes out all 12 CPU threads
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  • [21:19:37] <gui_> no, I was building from scratch
  • [21:20:09] <ogra_> i think the ubuntu kernel team builds it in under 3min
  • [21:20:36] <gui_> but i guess they might have pretty decent hardware
  • [21:20:46] <gui_> i'm running ubuntu on a VM
  • [21:20:48] <ogra_> pretty, yeah
  • [21:21:12] <gui_> I was afraid something went wrong and I didn't notice
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  • [21:32:43] <gui_> has anyone tried to use eQEP? (https://github.com/Teknoman117/beaglebot)
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  • [21:50:17] <ds2> MSC can do stackless calls for nonstatics
  • [21:50:55] <TooLmaN> exit
  • [21:50:58] <TooLmaN> wow
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  • [21:56:17] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] mrybczyn opened pull request #73: 3.12: updated bootlog and installation status (3.12...3.12) http://git.io/JTGzMg
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  • [22:01:32] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] RobertCNelson pushed 3 new commits to 3.12: http://git.io/pocGBA
  • [22:01:32] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.12 b230238 Marta Rybczynska: README: update bootlog for 3.12 on BeagleBone Black...
  • [22:01:32] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.12 00e27d2 Marta Rybczynska: README: Update installation instructions...
  • [22:01:32] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.12 903d40f Robert Nelson: Merge pull request #73 from mrybczyn/3.12...
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  • [22:07:31] <JonnyZ> how much power can the beagle bone take through it's DC power jack?
  • [22:08:03] <Willdude123_> JonnyZ, read the datasheet maybe?
  • [22:08:20] <JonnyZ> where's dat?
  • [22:09:02] <ds2> as much power as specified on the manual and no more.
  • [22:10:21] <Willdude123_> JonnyZ, http://bit.ly/1aF8TAF
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  • [22:11:23] <Willdude123_> JonnyZ, reading datasheets and googling before asking are all useful skills.
  • [22:11:54] <Willdude123_> It will help you and will make people more patient with you when you have more complex questions to ask.
  • [22:12:07] <korra> seems like peak is 460mA at 5v
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  • [22:13:05] <korra> it says peak is at boot and my brownouts while compiling mono make me think it can peak higher than that
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  • [22:17:56] <|PiP|> my beagleboard black has a broken SD card holder. i don't want to send it back because itll cost me. I want to use my beagleboard as a FreePBX machine. Is it possible to flash the internal flash via a USB Key?
  • [22:19:50] <myself> I'm getting PHP errors trying to load http://circuitco.com/support/index.php5?title=BeagleBoneBlack
  • [22:19:51] <ds2> |PiP|, no but you can flash via the USB port
  • [22:20:06] <ds2> look at the GSoC 2013 list for a project that does that
  • [22:21:16] <|PiP|> ds2: i'm confused by what you mean. what are you saying no to?
  • [22:21:28] <|PiP|> i can flash via usb? or can't
  • [22:21:38] <ds2> I am saying, you cannot flash with just a USB flash drive. But you can flash via USB
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  • [22:21:46] <myself> the USB host port and the USB device port are the point of confusion here, I think
  • [22:21:47] <ds2> you need to connect it to a PC
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  • [22:22:04] <myself> hang the BBB off a PC as a USB device, and you can flash it, right?
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  • [22:22:10] <|PiP|> ahh okay
  • [22:22:14] <ds2> sort of
  • [22:22:24] <ds2> if it is running, you can just use that to update
  • [22:22:34] <ds2> if it is not, you need the stuff from the GSoC project
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  • [22:22:40] <ds2> it will boot the board and flash it
  • [22:22:40] <|PiP|> i searched for that but couldn't find
  • [22:22:52] <|PiP|> the bbb boots up and is using the default angstrom
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  • [22:54:34] <mark4> anyone with a bbxm awake?
  • [22:56:12] <djlewis> my bbxm is already in bed
  • [22:56:38] <mark4> want to wake it up and do a easy test for me
  • [22:56:39] <mark4> ?
  • [22:56:42] <djlewis> well, I don't actually even have one
  • [22:56:47] <mark4> doh
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  • [22:57:38] <|PiP|> ds2: so how do i flash the beagleboard from my computer?
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  • [23:27:48] <ds2> PiP: ping vvu, he's the author
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  • [23:34:30] <Quinto> hi
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  • [23:35:29] <Quinto> someone has used BBB like access point for connect devices with point-point connection?
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  • [23:38:08] <jenia> hello everyone
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  • [23:52:49] <jenia> i cant mount the ttyUSB0 for some reason
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  • [23:55:58] <jonpry> printed via bbb parallel port -> http://imgur.com/nFVI7Ik
  • [23:58:13] <gui_> hello there
  • [23:58:40] <gui_> i screwd the linux inside my BBB and I need to re-flash it
  • [23:58:50] <gui_> but I only have a USB drive, not a uSD card
  • [23:59:18] <gui_> i can still load uboot from eMMC. how can I load ubuntu from the USB?
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