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[01:19:25] <Guest52607> hello
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[01:19:36] <Guest52607> i have a quick question
[01:19:45] <Guest52607> can anyone help me
[01:20:09] <Rickta59> works best to just ask
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[01:32:26] <Biodragon> ah
[01:32:33] * Biodragon slaps Rickta59
[01:32:36] <Biodragon> now we'll never know
[01:34:43] <Biodragon> does anyone know a cost-effective non-usb wifi cape for BBB?
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[01:37:27] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271272189722?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[01:38:40] <nomel> wow, that's nuts.
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[01:41:30] <Biodragon> hmm usb though?
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[01:45:04] <SpeedEvil> No
[01:45:27] <SpeedEvil> Connect it to ethernet, and it presents as a wifi bridge to connect you to APs
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[01:57:07] <Biodragon> SpeedEvil: thx :)
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[04:14:15] <mark4> what VIDEO_CARDS= should i set for a bbxm?
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[05:26:51] <_av500_> ?
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[06:58:42] <Rotti> hi!
[06:58:54] <_av500_> +1
[06:59:52] <dm8tbr> mooo
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[08:57:37] <winterscomin> Hi guys I have a question regarding BBB, I want to try boot BBB in the same way as Beagleboard, do I need to connect the board with the debug pin on the board?
[08:58:36] <KotH> what is "the same way"?
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[08:58:40] <woglinde> gm koth
[08:58:45] <KotH> hoi woglinde
[08:58:50] <KotH> wie geht's wie stehts?
[08:59:00] <woglinde> koth how is the weather in scotland?
[08:59:24] <KotH> perfect!
[08:59:32] <winterscomin> like see the console
[08:59:33] <KotH> it rains so little it's almosst sunny!
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[08:59:45] <winterscomin> not like the steps showed on the web
[08:59:46] <KotH> winterscomin: connect a serial cable
[09:00:11] <winterscomin> debug serial pins on the board?
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[09:00:45] <KotH> yes
[09:00:54] <woglinde> KotH hm no he needs ftdi
[09:00:56] <woglinde> 3.3v
[09:01:19] <woglinde> for beagle xm and beagle you did only need the serial-header connector
[09:01:27] <winterscomin> Thanks BTW where can I find the BBB linux tree?
[09:01:30] <woglinde> and normal serial console on host
[09:01:55] <woglinde> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Black_Serial
[09:02:10] <KotH> winterscomin: read the documentaton of the bbb, it's all written there
[09:02:16] <KotH> woglinde: right...
[09:02:30] <woglinde> https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel
[09:02:30] <KotH> woglinde: i've not slept enough to answer simple questions, appearantly
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[10:07:36] <JOVIN> HAI
[10:08:09] <JOVIN> Can anyone tell me the operating temperature of beagle bone black?
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[10:09:40] <_av500_> finally we can be realtime: http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1319873
[10:09:52] <_av500_> JOVIN: mine is lukewarm
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[10:15:51] <BBxMQuestion> Hello, does BeagleBoard xM run XBMC and TVHeadend?
[10:16:18] <KotH> _av500_: what's new about armv8-R?
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[10:16:55] <KotH> BBxMQuestion: let me ask you a questions: why should it not run?
[10:17:01] <BBxMQuestion> thanks
[10:18:03] <BBxMQuestion> I made a mistake buying BBB for that
[10:18:11] <BBxMQuestion> for XBMC
[10:18:29] <BBxMQuestion> didn't know
[10:18:33] <KotH> xbmc runs on the bbb as well
[10:18:44] <jjc> Hello, if i rename the MLO file on my BBB, then power it down, will i be able to power it back up and name the MLO file back to its correct name or am i stuffed?
[10:18:57] <KotH> BBxMQuestion: what you are asking for is high performance video decoding
[10:19:03] <KotH> BBxMQuestion: that's a different question
[10:19:19] <KotH> jjc: if you have to ask that, then probably not
[10:19:23] <BBxMQuestion> to run on BBB I will need android?
[10:19:28] <KotH> jjc: if you dont need to ask it, then yes
[10:19:28] <jjc> yeah i thought so, just making sure
[10:19:58] <KotH> BBxMQuestion: to run your pc, do you need android
[10:20:01] <BBxMQuestion> but it will not show video on BBB right
[10:20:11] <BBxMQuestion> no
[10:20:15] <BBxMQuestion> ok
[10:20:30] <BBxMQuestion> video does not show BBB ?
[10:20:37] <BBxMQuestion> sorry for my english
[10:20:42] <KotH> the bbb is a computer like any other too
[10:20:54] <KotH> read the datasheet, the system manual and stuff
[10:21:02] <BBxMQuestion> I can't run xbmc by default
[10:21:14] <KotH> what is "by default"?
[10:21:20] <BBxMQuestion> pacman -S
[10:21:25] <BBxMQuestion> xbmc
[10:21:26] <KotH> if you mean it^s not installed on the angstr??m on the emmc, then yes
[10:21:30] <KotH> rotfl
[10:21:40] <KotH> there aint no pacman on angstr??m
[10:21:46] <rob_w> how come that the internal mmc is id 0 if there is no external plugged but otehrwise its id 1 ?? who invented that ??
[10:21:49] <BBxMQuestion> arch I mean
[10:22:01] <KotH> rob_w: auto id asignment of the kernel
[10:22:05] <KotH> rob_w: it's fucked up
[10:22:18] <rob_w> definitly
[10:22:52] <rob_w> also .. how can i boot internally if there is a sdcard plugged but without proper partitioning ?
[10:22:59] <BBxMQuestion> does not only xM runs XBMC on angstr??m?
[10:23:08] <BBxMQuestion> runs also BBB?
[10:23:18] <KotH> as i said, the bbb is a computer
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[10:23:21] <KotH> treat it as such
[10:23:42] <KotH> rob_w: there is a way... but i dont know from the top of my head
[10:23:43] <BBxMQuestion> I made a mistake installing arch linux then maybe
[10:24:06] <rob_w> i mean a way beside recompiling u-boot with a different env
[10:24:10] <BBxMQuestion> and it does not run with debian?
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[10:24:26] <KotH> BBxMQuestion: the distro has no influence on whether it runs a certain software or not
[10:24:35] <jjc> rob_w: do you know if there is a way to restore the MLO file without reflashing?
[10:24:35] <KotH> rob_w: as i said, i dont know
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[10:25:48] <KotH> BBxMQuestion: what is important to know is, that the graphics "card" of the bbb is not intended for HD video decoding
[10:25:53] <BBxMQuestion> now if I run xinit /usr/lib/xbmc/xbmc.bin then earlier I got xbmc without acceleration, then later with new Arch Linux I got only mouse without xbmc screen
[10:25:57] <BBxMQuestion> on BBB
[10:25:58] <KotH> BBxMQuestion: there the xm is better equipped
[10:26:18] <KotH> BBxMQuestion: you are new to linux, are you?
[10:26:26] <BBxMQuestion> yes
[10:26:41] <BBxMQuestion> and I want to learn
[10:26:59] <BBxMQuestion> I learn myself
[10:27:00] <KotH> then learn that every component of linux is exchangable
[10:27:09] <KotH> and a distro is just a package of components
[10:27:20] <KotH> choosing one distro does not mean some things work and some doesnt
[10:27:33] <KotH> it just means you might exchange some stuff so it gets working
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[10:27:47] <KotH> try to figure out why something doesnt work instead of switching from one distro to another
[10:28:16] <BBxMQuestion> all the google I found that xbmc on BBB can't run because theres no video acceleration
[10:28:22] <BBxMQuestion> but if it can run
[10:28:31] <BBxMQuestion> then I found wrong info
[10:29:09] <BBxMQuestion> on store it shows video accelearation its because I have buying it
[10:29:24] <BBxMQuestion> I mean I wanted it
[10:29:40] <BBxMQuestion> and not xM
[10:29:45] <KotH> read what i wrote above
[10:29:46] <BBxMQuestion> because price is not big
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[10:32:05] <BBxMQuestion> I have not read: what is important to know is, that the graphics "card" of the bbb is not intended for HD video decoding
[10:32:25] <BBxMQuestion> and xbmc not show video then?
[10:32:36] <BBxMQuestion> for that reason
[10:33:52] <BBxMQuestion> when I was buyint it I was hoping to run xbmc
[10:34:12] <BBxMQuestion> thats the reason I was buying it
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[10:34:22] <BBxMQuestion> I will try then
[10:34:49] <woglinde> no accel stuff with xbmc
[10:35:05] <BBxMQuestion> and no movies?
[10:35:12] <woglinde> movies will work
[10:35:19] <BBxMQuestion> just menu not?
[10:35:22] <woglinde> but not gpu supported
[10:35:32] <woglinde> only software
[10:35:45] <woglinde> and so it might not be fast enough
[10:35:48] <woglinde> for some profiles
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[10:35:56] <woglinde> and resolutions
[10:36:02] <woglinde> till later
[10:36:05] <BBxMQuestion> it is slow on menu only then?
[10:36:14] <JOVIN> any idea of operating voltagte
[10:36:16] <JOVIN> ??
[10:36:30] <JOVIN> sorry operating temperature
[10:37:05] <JOVIN> of beagle bone black
[10:37:32] <BBxMQuestion> it was so slow that I decided not to browse the xbmc menu
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[10:38:12] <BBxMQuestion> it can be not slow?
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[10:38:40] <KotH> JOVIN: as av500 said: luke warm
[10:38:52] <KotH> BBxMQuestion: for it to be fast you need acceleration in the gpu
[10:38:58] <JOVIN> what is luke warm?
[10:38:58] <KotH> BBxMQuestion: the bbb does not have that acceleration
[10:39:01] <BBxMQuestion> driver
[10:39:12] <BBxMQuestion> no
[10:39:24] <KotH> JOVIN: the bbb
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[10:39:42] <JOVIN> can you specify the range exactly?
[10:39:53] <KotH> BBxMQuestion: it's afaik not a driver issue, but a hardware issue
[10:40:00] <JOVIN> will it work between -40'C to 80'C??
[10:40:01] <KotH> JOVIN: it's written in the specs
[10:40:32] <BBxMQuestion> and xM does not have that issue?
[10:40:34] <JOVIN> the operating temperature range of the board is not in the spec
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[10:40:51] <KotH> BBxMQuestion: afaik the bbxm has a gpu that supports acceleration
[10:40:57] <KotH> JOVIN: assume comercial
[10:41:49] <BBxMQuestion> on the store site BBB is with video acceleration :)
[10:42:01] <BBxMQuestion> I made a mistake
[10:42:05] <BBxMQuestion> buying it
[10:42:12] <KotH> happens to the best
[10:42:29] <BBxMQuestion> but it is cheap
[10:43:18] <BBxMQuestion> no big problem
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[10:47:48] <rob_w> jjc, what u mean ?
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[10:56:53] <jjc> i mean i renamed the MLO file to get the BBB to boot off the uSD, I now want to rename the MLO file back to MLO but i have no way of doing it
[10:57:38] <jjc> i've made changes on my BBB and id rather not reflash the eMMC and have to redo it all
[10:58:13] <jjc> rob_w: so if you or anyone knows a way to do it then that would be great
[10:59:46] <KotH> mount it?
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[11:01:09] <jjc> KotH: BBB doesn't seem to want to boot without MLO file having the correct name
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[11:01:53] <KotH> jjc: sorry, cannot help you there
[11:02:04] * KotH doesnt own a bbb and knows next to nothing about it
[11:02:17] <BBxMQuestion> is cubieboard2 better than BB xM?
[11:02:24] <KotH> jjc: ask later again
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[11:02:32] <KotH> jjc: probably next week when the trolls are back home
[11:02:42] <jjc> KotH: okay will do
[11:03:08] <BBxMQuestion> does cubieboard2 have android or it was removed completely?
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[11:03:58] <BBxMQuestion> I need to search for that question
[11:03:58] <Crofton> jjc, can you boot from sd and mount the emmc?
[11:04:41] <jjc> Crofton: i'm not sure, could you point me towards instructions for that?
[11:04:54] <jjc> Crofton: i'm very new to BBB/linux in general
[11:06:06] <woglinde> koth hm no for beagle xm exist a driver for gpu
[11:06:45] <jjc> Crofton: e.g. i do not know how to boot to the SD card without flashing the emmc, as I understand it if you hold down the boot button at power on it writes the contents of the uSD to the emmc. is that incorrect?
[11:06:48] <woglinde> BBxMQuestion you know android uses the linux kernel
[11:07:21] <woglinde> jjc only when the image on the sdcard does it
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[11:07:41] <woglinde> user button tells the device to boot from sdcard and not from emmc
[11:08:09] <jjc> woglinde ahh okay, so i need an image that doesn't write to the emmc
[11:10:43] <KotH> woglinde: yes. but isnt the bbb's gpu quite limited?
[11:10:52] <KotH> woglinde: or am i mixing things up?
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[11:18:12] <woglinde> KotH hm if I remember correctly the dsp was limited
[11:18:28] <woglinde> otherwise look up the sgx and it specs up yourself
[11:18:36] <KotH> i really need to bribe a couple of ti guys to give me a bbb and xm
[11:18:46] <woglinde> no chance
[11:18:53] <KotH> i have chocolate
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[11:18:55] <woglinde> hm
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[11:19:08] <woglinde> do not know if jkridner loves chocolate
[11:19:20] <KotH> nope
[11:19:27] <KotH> unfortunately i have not met him yet
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[11:19:38] <KotH> i dont know whether he will come to edinburgh
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[11:23:53] <woglinde> koth okay the sgx is from 2005
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[11:30:36] <BBxMQuestion> does xM will run USB Sata adapter?
[11:30:57] <BBxMQuestion> and CD disc?
[11:31:06] <BBxMQuestion> or dvd
[11:32:41] <BBxMQuestion> it's the reason I have buyed BBB by mistake and not xM
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[11:34:24] <BBxMQuestion> with grammar errors
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[11:36:46] <BBxMQuestion> just need to know if it will support usb sata adapter
[11:37:20] <XorA> yes
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[11:51:20] <mark4> seems ddd works just fine on my beagle board in gentoo now that ive got it installed
[11:51:28] <mark4> time for some shuteye
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[12:04:44] <woglinde> mark4 hehe
[12:05:43] <mark4> woglinde, beagle should convert their "authorized/supoorted" distro to gentoo. get rid of that pile of crap ubuntu linux for people who cant learn linux
[12:05:51] <mark4> /me hides
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[12:07:29] <woglinde> mark4 as I said working kernel and you can install gentoo suse redhear or debian based stuff
[12:07:38] <woglinde> redhead even
[12:09:26] <mark4> well the "Fedora" images i downloaded refused to boot. the ubuntu image i have will run ddd but it goes into a infinite "waiting for gdb" mode
[12:09:36] <ogra_> mark4, if it helps them to learn enough linux to switch to some more demanding distro later, whats wrong with tehm using ubuntu
[12:10:02] <mark4> gentoo isnt a "it just works (tm)" distro like ubuntu which means "it works"
[12:10:11] <ogra_> if it takes them the fear of touching linux, let them :)
[12:10:42] <mark4> ogra i think anyone NUBS coming to linux would be better served by going through a single install of gentoo following the handbook than using ubuntu or anyother debian based distro
[12:10:51] <mark4> getnoo is an awesome learning distribution
[12:11:03] * ogra_ strongly disagrees
[12:11:04] <mark4> tho. maybe after that they should try arch
[12:11:10] <ogra_> gentoo isnt a beginner distro
[12:11:20] <mark4> ogra have you ever run gentoo?
[12:11:32] <mark4> i ran debian for abou 3 years before i found gentoo
[12:11:38] <ogra_> ubuntu is a great entry poin, if people recognize they want more they will move on
[12:11:51] <mark4> i learned more about using linux on my first ever gentoo isntall than i ever could have learned using debian
[12:11:53] <ogra_> mark4, yes, i find it awful
[12:12:07] <mark4> ogra it has some requirements for patience
[12:12:24] <mark4> being source based everything is compiled which MIGHT make it not a good permantnt daily driver
[12:12:30] <ogra_> it has some requirements of knowing what you do, which most newcomers dont have
[12:12:38] <mark4> but dive in and LEARN LINUX by following its handbook
[12:12:46] <ogra_> they need to get along with their first baby steps ... ubuntu helps there
[12:12:51] <mark4> ogra when i did my first install i was a total nub
[12:12:59] <mark4> i had more confidence in linux after doing it
[12:13:16] <mark4> but i wont argue this with you im too tired lol i pulled an all niter :P
[12:13:32] <mark4> ogra actually ubuntu babies them
[12:13:40] <mark4> i.e. they cant possibly learn a damned thing using it
[12:13:47] <mark4> but anyway i really have to crash lol
[12:13:48] <mark4> nite :)
[12:13:56] <ogra_> ubuntu gives them something thats gives them a fast and easy success
[12:14:00] <mark4> <-- happy to be able to FINALLY debug my arm forth kernel!
[12:14:04] <ogra_> which encourages to move on
[12:14:34] <ogra_> running into frustrating issues with compiling stuff all the time isnt really encouraging for a beginner
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[12:35:24] <jjc> Hi, does anybody here know of an image for the beaglebone black which doesn't write to the eMMC and just runs off the uSD card?
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[12:43:45] <e-ndy> jjc, for example fedora
[12:45:54] <jjc> e-ndy thank you, it really doesn't matter what is is just as long as it doesn't flash the eMMC
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[12:51:12] <e-ndy> jjc, http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-Beta-TC5/Images/armhfp/
[12:51:31] <Matti__> ubifs not compatible on u-boot and Linux on beaglebon variant board.
[12:51:44] <Matti__> Do anyone know this kind of stuff?
[12:52:10] <e-ndy> jjc, for bbb are VFAT images and don't forget copy files from /usr/share/uboot-beaglebone/* to /boot/uboot (mmcblk1p1)
[12:52:27] <jjc> e-ndy thank you very much
[12:52:42] <e-ndy> jjc, and rename uEnv.nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn file to uEnv.txt
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[12:53:27] <e-ndy> jjc, and keep in mind, that a lot of stuff will not work as beaglebone support not yet landed in kernel upstream
[12:53:48] <jjc> e-ndy so it doesnt matter which one i pick, as long as its a VFAT image? all i need to do is mount the eMMC and change a file name
[12:55:46] <e-ndy> jjc, i did it all on beaglebone as in angstrom is kernel with usb support and on usb stick i downloaded xz image and 'xzcated' to /dev/mmcblk1
[12:56:39] <e-ndy> mounted mmcblk1p3 and to /some/where and mmcblk1p1 to /some/where/boot/uboot
[12:57:19] <e-ndy> jjc, and copied /some/where/usb/share/uboot-beaglebone/* to /some/where/boot/uboot
[12:57:43] <jjc> e-ndy okay cheers
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[13:11:50] <rob_w> did anybody configure the tps to actually power the rtc LD0path while having a battery setup ?
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[13:58:03] <jjc> is it possible to backup a BBB using winSCP?
[13:58:39] <desaster> i recommend rsync (via ssh)
[13:59:08] <jjc> i'll look into it ty
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[14:02:14] <jjc> desaster will it let me create an image of the BBB eMMC for use on other BBBs?
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[14:02:47] <woglinde> jjc no
[14:02:55] <woglinde> it simply copies the files
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[14:04:13] <jjc> what is the easiest way to make an image of the eMMc then? woglinde desaster
[14:04:21] <desaster> (and preserves all file attributes, thus makes for a good backup)
[14:04:41] <desaster> but that's more generic linux thing, maybe for BBB a raw image is easier
[14:05:59] <jjc> im going to need to set up 5+ BBBs in the same way as the original, an image seems the easiest way
[14:08:05] <agmlego> dd.
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[14:10:27] <BBxMQuestion> I just wanted to know about BB xM that today I was asking
[14:10:54] <BBxMQuestion> that it has video acceleration thats all
[14:10:59] <jjc> you wouldn't reccomend this? http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_Black_Extracting_eMMC_contents
[14:11:26] <agmlego> Sure, you could try that too.
[14:11:44] <jjc> alright cheers
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[14:12:25] <DagoRed> Damn, Panto isn't around.
[14:12:49] <_av500_> he's in serious business
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[15:15:18] <zaffo> hi
[15:15:46] <zaffo> I am new in this solution...
[15:16:01] <zaffo> and I need to know some information
[15:16:52] <agmlego> never ask to ask, just ask
[15:16:58] <zaffo> is possible connect dh22 sensor ? and see the value in a web server ?
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[15:17:11] <agmlego> Yes and yes.
[15:17:23] <_av500_> and yes
[15:17:24] <das> rule n???: it's software, everything is possible
[15:17:25] <zaffo> i don't know how to work beagleboard
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[15:17:34] <_av500_> das: correct
[15:17:43] <_av500_> HW runs SW, film at 11
[15:17:48] <agmlego> zaffo: And this is where the learning happens.
[15:17:51] <zaffo> I know very well arduino... but I approch beagle board
[15:17:58] <_vicash_> Hello BBB users, is there a recommended LCD cape/attachment for the BBB that works really well ? Does it need to be connected to the HDMI port ? How does the Angstrom software adjust to using a non-HDMI LCD screen attachment ?
[15:19:33] <zaffo> Beagleboard have the i2c bus ? and is possible to comunicate with other board like arduino ?
[15:19:53] <das> did you read the TRM ?
[15:20:49] <agmlego> zaffo: Yes and yes, again.
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[15:25:10] <jjc> Hi, if i try to use this method to back up the BBB, USR3 LED does not light up during boot and so it seems to hang, andy ideas why? http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_Black_Extracting_eMMC_contents
[15:26:15] <woglinde> serial console helps
[15:27:20] <woglinde> hm I should write a book switching from arduino to bbb for dummies
[15:27:59] <jjc> woglinde is there anything i can do without a serial cable?
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[15:28:35] <jkridner> hi jjc. I wrote that page.
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[15:28:59] <jkridner> when you say the LED doesn't light, what phase are you at?
[15:29:07] <jjc> @jkridner this is convenient
[15:29:07] <jkridner> woglinde: yes. yes, you should!
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[15:30:05] <jjc> @jkridner after i extract the contents of the zip to the uSD, insert it into the BBB and power it up, USR0, 1 and 2 all come on solidly as if it were booting normally however USR3 does not light up at all
[15:30:08] <jkridner> jjc: what is the blink pattern of USR0?
[15:30:26] <jjc> @jkridner currently not blinking, just solid on
[15:30:43] <jkridner> USR*0* is solid on?
[15:30:53] <jjc> @jkridner correct
[15:30:55] <jkridner> none of the other LEDs are changing either?
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[15:31:20] <jkridner> do you still have the uSD inserted?
[15:31:24] <jjc> @jkridner yep
[15:31:34] <jjc> @jkridner to both of those questions
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[15:31:52] <jkridner> k, that likely means that you are in the phase of u-boot loading the kernel and that is what fails.
[15:32:03] <zaffo> where can I get some example or doc for todo this ?
[15:32:54] <jkridner> zaffo: did you start with http://elinux.org/Interfacing_with_I2C_Devices ?
[15:33:01] <jjc> @jkridner any recommendation for a fix?
[15:33:08] <woglinde> zaffo try to start here http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoneBlack
[15:33:57] <jkridner> zaffo: BeagleBone vs. BeagleBoard wouldn't be so different: http://romillys-robots.blogspot.com/2011/11/i2c-links-arduino-and-beagleboard.html
[15:34:06] <jkridner> zaffo: +1 to woglinde
[15:34:20] <jkridner> jjc: serial cable would help....
[15:34:27] <jkridner> try booting without the uSD first.
[15:34:51] <jjc> @jkridner it boots fine without the uSD, i've got a serial cable on order
[15:34:53] <jkridner> I'm curious as to what you have on the uSD now and what you mean by you extracted the contents of the zip.
[15:35:06] <woglinde> jkridner hm hm shouldn't circuitco add this links too
[15:35:06] <jkridner> you might have overwritten the kernel that was on the uSD card...
[15:35:11] <jkridner> or the uenv.txt...
[15:35:24] <jkridner> or any files, such as MLO, u-boot.img, etc.
[15:35:28] <zaffo> jkridner: no I am new.. I want to explore beagleboard.. and compare this with arduino... I need some power for instruction.. I need to make a web server for manage a appliance for monitoring room
[15:35:43] <jkridner> woglinde: perhaps, but google provides them fairly quickly.
[15:35:57] <jjc> @jkridner i formatted the uSD, extracted the contents of the zip and then copied and pasted them to the uSD card
[15:36:03] <woglinde> jkridner most people arent cable to use google
[15:36:21] <woglinde> at least the new users popping in here
[15:36:21] <agmlego> woglinde: Are those really the people we qwant playing with embedded systems?
[15:36:24] <jkridner> having a set of basic to tutorials is definitely desired, but I think fleshing out connecting sensors, etc. is probably higher priority than connecting MCUs via I2C.
[15:36:28] <KotH> jkridner: are you in edinburgh?
[15:36:33] <jkridner> KotH: No. :(
[15:36:42] <jkridner> I decided to take a bit of a break from travel.
[15:36:50] <KotH> ok
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[15:37:01] <jkridner> would have been nice to *finally* make it to ELC-E, but this was not to be the one.
[15:37:08] <jkridner> MF-Rome took it out of me.
[15:37:25] <KotH> you should have stayed in europe ;)
[15:37:28] <jkridner> jjc: you can't just run the eMMC contents from the uSD like that.
[15:37:43] <jkridner> you'd need to reformat the uSD to have that work.
[15:37:51] <jkridner> and adjust the uEnv.txt too.
[15:38:26] <jjc> i want to make an image of the eMMC, not run it off the uSD
[15:39:19] <jjc> @jkridner my current situation is that i have 1 BBB set up and i need to set up ~5 more exactly the same, i would like to have an image that i can then write to the other BBs
[15:39:27] <jkridner> well, if you got the zip files, isn't that the image of the eMMC you want?
[15:39:51] <jkridner> are you following the wiki instructions for turning the extractor into a flasher?
[15:40:06] <jkridner> are you targeting a different board than the original? (you don't want to damage your master)
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[15:41:03] <jkridner> jjc: btw, how big is your BeagleBoneBlack-eMMC-image-XXXXX.img file?
[15:41:07] <jjc> @jkridner http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_Black_Extracting_eMMC_contents are the instructions I am following
[15:41:09] <zaffo> ok at this moment I need documentation how to start (step by step) with beagleboard
[15:41:34] <jkridner> jjc: exactly what step are you at?
[15:41:37] <jjc> jkridner i dont have that img file yet, its what im trying to get
[15:41:41] <jkridner> don't you have the .img file already?
[15:41:44] <jkridner> oh.
[15:42:00] <jjc> jkridner nope, its failing to boot on the initial putting the uSD card in step
[15:42:05] <jkridner> so, you are at the "You'll notice USR0" step?
[15:42:10] <jkridner> k.
[15:42:11] <jjc> jkridner yep
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[15:42:15] <jkridner> got it.
[15:42:32] <jkridner> can you pastebin the directory listing of the uSD card?
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[15:44:04] <jjc> jkridner never used pastebin before but sure i'll give it a try
[15:44:17] <jjc> jkridner there's only 6 files on there
[15:44:18] <jkridner> k. pastebin.com is one option.
[15:44:37] <jkridner> sounds right.... just want to make sure their sizes are reasonable and they aren't under any odd directory.
[15:44:55] <jkridner> serial cable would make this easy, but I think we can figure out what is going on without one.
[15:45:13] * muriani just booted up his old rev. C3 beagle the other day
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[15:47:11] <muriani> all the fun stuff has moved on to xM and bone :(
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[15:47:54] <jjc> jkridner http://pastebin.com/hsMECqML
[15:48:20] <jkridner> muriani: ole-C3 is still rather useful!
[15:48:41] <jkridner> unfortunately, I don't boot them often. :(
[15:49:00] * jkridner feels kick to refresh the default image for old boards.
[15:50:22] <jkridner> jjc: k, that looks pretty good.
[15:50:40] <jkridner> how old is your BeagleBone Black software image?
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[15:51:11] <jkridner> if we were able to mark the uSD as bootable and hold down the BOOT button on power up, we could remove any software dependencies on the main board.
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[15:51:20] <jjc> jkridner 4th September 2013
[15:51:24] <jkridner> I think all of versions respect the uEnv.txt on the uSD.
[15:52:04] <jkridner> how long did you wait with the 3 LEDs on?
[15:52:15] <jjc> jkridner probably around 5 minutes
[15:52:20] <jkridner> k.
[15:52:25] <jkridner> should only take about 30 seconds.
[15:52:42] <jjc> jkridner yeah i just wanted to leave it enough time
[15:52:58] <jkridner> let me give you some new contents for uEnv.txt to try to debug.
[15:53:14] <jjc> jkridner alright sounds good
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[15:55:49] <jkridner> fyi http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=include/configs/am335x_evm.h is a good reference to understand what is going on during u-boot.
[15:56:08] <jjc> jkridner i've just seen that the uSD is a logical drive instead of primary, could that have something to do with it?
[15:56:14] <jjc> jkridner ty
[15:57:17] <jkridner> jjc: replace all of uEnv.txt with this one line: uenvcmd=load mmc 0 0x80200000 uImage;run findfdt;run loadfdt;setenv bootargs;bootm $0x80200000 - 0x81FF0000
[15:57:35] <jkridner> oops, typo
[15:57:37] <jkridner> I mean: uenvcmd=load mmc 0 0x80200000 uImage;run findfdt;run loadfdt;setenv bootargs;bootm 0x80200000 - 0x81FF0000
[15:58:23] <jjc> okay lets see how this goes
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[15:59:03] <jjc> jkridner oh do i need to hold the boot button this time, it seemed to make no difference before
[15:59:11] <jkridner> we could add a line to do something with the LEDs to show that the command is running too.
[15:59:19] <jkridner> shouldn't need to.
[15:59:22] <jjc> okay
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[16:00:46] <jjc> jkridner same issue still
[16:00:53] <jjc> no USR3
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[16:02:36] <jkridner> k.
[16:02:43] <jkridner> let's make sure uenvcmd is running...
[16:03:45] <jkridner> https://github.com/beagleboard/meta-beagleboard/blob/master/common-bsp/recipes-bsp/u-boot/u-boot-denx/0011-am335x_evm-HACK-to-turn-on-BeagleBone-LEDs.patch has the patch that turns on the LEDs
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[16:05:03] <jkridner> try this line: uenvcmd=gpio clear 53;load mmc 0 0x80200000 uImage;run findfdt;load mmc 0 0x81FF0000 ${fdtfile};setenv bootargs;bootm 0x80200000 - 0x81FF0000
[16:05:21] <jkridner> "gpio clear 53" should turn the USR0 LED off.
[16:05:55] <jjc> put that line in uEnv?
[16:06:04] <jkridner> I forgot to use 'load mmc 0 ... ${fdtfile}'
[16:06:11] <jkridner> yes, into the uEnv.txt on the uSD.
[16:06:17] <jkridner> in place of all the other contents
[16:06:21] <jjc> okay
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[16:07:19] <jjc> so it should read: uenvcmd=gpio clear 53;load mmc 0 0x80200000 ${fdtfile} uImage;run findfdt;load mmc 0 0x81FF0000 ${fdtfile};setenv bootargs;bootm 0x80200000 - 0x81FF0000
[16:08:02] <jjc> or a semicolon after the first ${fdtfile}?
[16:08:48] <jkridner> oh...
[16:08:49] <jkridner> thanks.
[16:09:15] <jkridner> there shouldn't be a ${fdtfile} in the first load
[16:09:20] <jkridner> it should be: uenvcmd=gpio clear 53;load mmc 0 0x80200000 uImage;run findfdt;load mmc 0 0x81FF0000 ${fdtfile};setenv bootargs;bootm 0x80200000 - 0x81FF0000
[16:09:30] <jkridner> I was saying I'd forgotten it in my *original* suggestion.
[16:09:40] <jjc> ahhhh
[16:09:41] <jjc> okay
[16:09:55] <jkridner> by doing 'run loadfdt', it would probably try to load it from the eMMC.
[16:10:44] <jkridner> to simplify even further: uenvcmd=gpio clear 53;load mmc 0 0x80200000 uImage;load mmc 0 0x81FF0000 am335x-boneblack.dtb;setenv bootargs;bootm 0x80200000 - 0x81FF0000
[16:11:21] <jjc> still 3 seds
[16:11:23] <jjc> *leds
[16:11:30] <jjc> i'll try this solution
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[16:12:09] <jkridner> so, USR0 doesn't turn off?
[16:12:15] <jjc> nope
[16:12:28] * jkridner wonders if uEnv.txt is didn't get read for some reason.
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[16:13:29] <jkridner> probably best solution is to hold the BOOT button when you apply power, but you'll need to mark the uSD as *BOOTABLE*. the BeagleBone Black can do that if you boot from eMMC first.
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[16:13:52] <jjc> uh oh
[16:13:55] <jjc> hang on
[16:15:03] <jjc> okay nm
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[16:15:10] <jjc> crisis averted
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[16:15:34] <jjc> thought i might have just been changing the file on the pc not the uSD
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[16:15:58] <jjc> turns out the windows was just directly behind it so showed up when i took the uSD out
[16:16:48] <jjc> i'll try running the most recent one again
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[16:18:47] <jjc> yeah currently if i hold the BOOT button with the uSD in i get no lights at all
[16:19:17] <jkridner> did you wait for a while?
[16:19:27] <jkridner> at *LEAST* 30 seconds.
[16:19:47] <jjc> holding the boot button for 30 seconds?
[16:19:48] <jkridner> also, you need to be holding the button *when you apply power*. after that, you can release it.
[16:19:56] <jjc> okay
[16:20:03] <jkridner> no, waiting for LEDs to light at least 30 seconds.
[16:20:04] <jjc> yes i was holding when applying power
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[16:20:20] <jjc> i'll try again and leave it for a few mins to make sure
[16:20:21] <jkridner> perfect.
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[16:22:48] <jjc> jkridner yeah it's been around 2 minutes since the BOOT button start and still no lights on at all
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[16:23:42] <jkridner> k. what does it do w/o the BOOT button now with the updated uenv.txt?
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[16:25:33] <jjc> jkridner i've left it for about the same time and it's still showing the same 3 solid lights, same as before
[16:26:03] <jkridner> boot without the uSD and let's make sure the card is bootable and the uEnv.txt is readable.
[16:26:06] * jjc plans on leaving work soon
[16:26:21] <jkridner> if you boot w/o the uSD, you should be able to mount it by inserting after the fact.
[16:26:54] <jkridner> it should show up as /dev/mmcblk1, ie. 'mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /mnt' should mount the 1st partition of it.
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[16:27:11] <jkridner> sorry this has been such a pain. very surprised it didn't "just work".
[16:27:22] * jkridner is motivated to fix the instructions
[16:27:38] <jjc> jkridner so am i, it seemed so easy
[16:27:48] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] RobertCNelson pushed 1 new commit to 3.12: http://git.io/D6f5zQ
[16:27:48] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.12 2a28d74 Robert Nelson: 3.12: update to latest mainline...
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[16:30:40] <jjc> mount: /dev/mmcblk1p1: can't read superblock
[16:30:52] <jjc> is the error it returned to me when i tried that
[16:31:43] <jjc> jkridner would you like to continue this now or tomorrow?
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[16:33:11] <XBone> The following packages have unmet dependencies: g++-4.6-multilib-arm-linux-gnueabi : Depends: g++-4.6-arm-linux-gnueabi (= 4.6.3-1ubu ntu5cross1.62) but it is not installable << afte I tried to install g++-4.6-multilib-arm-linux-gnueabi
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[16:35:05] <jjc> jkridner i'm extremely appreciative of your help but I'm afraid I have to go now or fairly soon, I will be around here 9am - 5:30pm GMT tomorrow
[16:35:18] <jkridner> jjc perhaps tomorrow
[16:35:28] <jkridner> jjc: see you tomorrow then
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[16:35:44] <jjc> jkridner later, thanks again
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[16:36:49] <m_billybob2> hung at two leds sounds liek the boot process isnt completing.
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[16:38:01] <m_billybob2> maybe obvious but meh, ive had tha thappen to me a couple times after compiling new kernels - forget what it was exactly
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[16:44:55] <JeffSterr> Hello
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[17:43:14] <malcom2073> Is there any beaglebone black distro image that supports egalax touchscreens out of the box?
[17:43:33] <malcom2073> Really not looking to get into the world of kernel patching/recompiling if I can avoid it :/
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[17:51:24] <thurgood> egalax support should be standard, unless they dropped it from the kernel at some point
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[17:55:34] <thurgood> we're using egalax touchscreens on a frankenstein 2.6.32 kernel (I believe I pulled the egalax support out of 2.6.38)
[17:58:41] <malcom2073> From googling, in order for people to get it working, they have to comment out some kernel code that uses usbtouchscreen, to allow for a custom compiled driver to make it work? It's odd
[17:58:54] <malcom2073> This isn't just for BBB, this is for linux in general to work with the egalax.
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[17:59:32] <TrevizeDaneel> hello, do you know if beaglebone black has user led error codes? I have user 2 and user 3 lit constant
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[18:02:30] <malcom2073> thurgood: What was required to get them running off a stock installation?
[18:02:47] <malcom2073> Plug it in, and you have a /dev/input/* already there?
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[18:04:39] <thurgood> yeah I'm doing it from the console without X so I had to write the interface for the event file
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[18:05:40] <malcom2073> Yeah, I'm not getting the /dev/input/whatever, which again, from googling, means that the kernel either doesn't have a driver for it, or the driver isn't recognizing that it's a touchscreen so isn't making it an input device
[18:06:23] <thurgood> does dmesg say anything about egalax?
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[18:06:46] <malcom2073> I don't think it does, let me boot the thing and double check. lsusb does say it's egalax though.
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[18:09:32] <malcom2073> Negative
[18:09:33] <malcom2073> nothing
[18:11:18] <malcom2073> I see "[ 139.851751] usb 1-1: Manufacturer: eGalax Inc."
[18:11:20] <malcom2073> when I plug it in
[18:11:21] <malcom2073> but that's it
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[18:13:39] <ds2> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww USB
[18:14:56] <malcom2073> yeah well, these don't come with anything but USB :/
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[18:18:36] <ds2> use a SPI or I2C controller
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[18:19:27] <malcom2073> I'd rather not hack apart the monitor if I can avoid it
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[19:08:41] <jkridner> dcschelt: http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-guide-excellent-soldering/common-problems
[19:10:34] <woglinde> re
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[20:19:15] <Joe___> Does anyone know the spec's on the mounting holes for the BBB?
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[20:20:19] <dm8tbr> checked the SRM yet?
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[20:20:53] <Joe___> Not sure where that is. Link?
[20:21:12] <dm8tbr> beagleboard.org
[20:22:07] <Joe___> Talk to me like I'm five. Not finding it.
[20:22:14] <woglinde> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoneBlack has all you want
[20:27:34] <Joe___> Excellent. Found it in BBB_SRM.pdf pg 115. Thanks!
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[20:28:33] <woglinde> jo mark4
[20:28:39] <mark4> hi
[20:28:48] <mark4> got up about 3/4 of an hour agao lol
[20:29:05] <mark4> am about to start debugging my arm forth kernel FINALLY lol
[20:29:28] <mark4> except my binary is not built for the BB so its elf headers specify a load address the BB does not like
[20:29:47] <mark4> and for the life of me i cant remember where gcc puts its linker scripts so i can looksee where the correct load address is :)
[20:29:56] <mark4> my code is not C its arm asm
[20:31:03] <woglinde> and that for you needed ddd?
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[20:31:41] <woglinde> re
[20:31:56] <woglinde> recompile it or something
[20:32:15] <mark4> its asm. i have a custom link script
[20:32:41] <mark4> ddd is so i can debug it. i can do that even without fixing the load address,
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[20:33:15] <mark4> i.e. even tho strace blah pules at a certain point in the initialization in my code. ddd blah runs right past it
[20:33:29] <woglinde> and now?
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[20:36:44] <mark4> well im fixing my MAKEOPTS= in make.conf
[20:36:54] <mark4> -j20 on my beagle board because im using distcc
[20:37:05] <mark4> but im adding a -k3 to limit the load avg
[20:37:06] <muriani> whooo playing with makeopts
[20:37:41] <mark4> when i first extracted the stage 3 i did an emerge -uDN world and it compiled everything EXCEPT gcc.
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[20:38:20] <mark4> gcc would not compile so.. i put gcc on hold, emerged uDN world everything else. then installed X and windowmaker and vnc.
[20:38:37] <mark4> everything except gcc is now up to date. oh i also of course installed ddd/gdb
[20:39:08] <mark4> i unmasked gcc and with an up to date system i am hoping that gcc will compile fine but the -j20 is problematical with gcc
[20:39:20] <mark4> because for alot of that build it refuses to distribute
[20:39:34] <mark4> so all 20 jobs run locally. plays havoc with my load avg lol
[20:39:55] <woglinde_> hm sorry
[20:39:55] <woglinde_> re
[20:40:06] <woglinde_> looks like my wifi is a bit flanky
[20:40:07] <mark4> so i asked and -j20 -k3 would stop make from spawning new jobs if the load avg is abve 3
[20:40:16] <mark4> oh lol u disconnected
[20:40:19] <mark4> what wifi card is it?
[20:40:27] <woglinde_> intelfoo
[20:40:39] <mark4> intel is usually rock solid. what wifi router is it?
[20:40:48] <woglinde_> some old one
[20:40:56] <woglinde_> but kernel logs says is my card
[20:41:12] <mark4> anyway i was saying -j20 woks great until gcc refuses to distribute. so adding -k3 prevents make from spawning new jobs if the load avg goes above 3
[20:41:43] <woglinde_> why you need -j20?
[20:41:51] <woglinde_> you may need the mem too
[20:42:01] <woglinde_> otherwise calloc might fail
[20:42:07] <mark4> because i am distributing to my laptop which has 8 threads and to my desktop which has 12
[20:42:32] <woglinde_> okay but this does not solve your forthproblem
[20:42:42] <mark4> no.
[20:43:09] <mark4> ddd WORKS - i tested it before i went zzz
[20:43:38] <mark4> so now im just relaxing with my second cup of coffee waiting for my eyes to focus and my brain to kick in lol
[20:43:58] <woglinde_> and waiting for gcc to compile?
[20:43:59] <mark4> man it was a $*^&$*(&Y! getting this beagle board running on gentoo
[20:44:11] <mark4> naw i can debug while that is running in the background
[20:44:16] <mark4> i expect that to take a few hours
[20:44:19] <woglinde_> hm i would have done it in some hourse
[20:44:24] <woglinde_> hours
[20:44:50] <woglinde_> hm damn forget to set passwd in my ubuntu image
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[20:47:10] <mark4> ubuntu image on your beagle board?
[20:47:50] <mark4> you can edit /etc/shadow and paste in your root line from your desktop then change it if yu like once logged in
[20:48:09] <mark4> just mount the flash card and edit /mnt/beagle/etc/shadow and /etc/shadow
[20:48:12] <mark4> fixt
[20:48:17] <woglinde_> lol
[20:48:25] <woglinde_> etc/passwd is enough
[20:48:45] <woglinde_> I know what I am doing
[20:49:10] <mark4> erm ubuntu does not use shadow?
[20:49:11] <mark4> wtf
[20:51:03] <muriani> it does, pretty sure
[20:51:18] <muriani> and I'm pretty sure woglinde_ knows what he's doing too :)
[20:51:26] <mark4> lol i do not doubt it :P`
[20:52:38] <SoCo_cpp_> Qt has announced Qt Enterprise Embedded (aka Boot to Qt)....should be some exiting times. I remember trying out the previous Qt X-server-less option qws or something.
[20:53:26] <mark4> qt is not an operating system any more than firefox is
[20:53:32] <mark4> or internet expunger
[20:53:43] <woglinde_> qt rockz
[20:53:47] <mark4> qt is good
[20:53:50] <mark4> but its not an OS lol
[20:54:06] <mark4> both qt and kde are VERY good.
[20:54:30] <woglinde_> kde is more focused on desktops
[20:54:47] <woglinde_> with qt you can write guiless apps
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[20:56:19] <woglinde_> mark it is enough to edit etc/passwd and remove the x after the first : on root line
[20:56:31] <woglinde_> than root does need any passwd
[20:56:35] <woglinde_> +not
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[20:57:31] <woglinde_> okay enough fro today
[20:57:36] <woglinde_> have to go up early
[20:57:38] <woglinde_> good nite
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[21:01:06] <SoCo_cpp_> Qt isn't meant to be an OS. But boot to Qt is awesome if you want an embedded linux app to work as a POS or device dedicated to running one app like a display interface.
[21:02:45] <mark4> where does gcc hide its linker scripts?
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[21:35:02] <TrevizeDaneel> how could I read a pulse duration in BBB javascript?
[21:39:52] <N2TOH> simple counter function to measure the interval, what range of period are you looking to work with?
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[21:44:53] <TrevizeDaneel> trying to use it with an hc-sr04
[21:45:17] <N2TOH> I have no idea what that is
[21:45:44] <_av500_> ultrasonic
[21:46:18] <N2TOH> take a look here, http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/am3358.pdf
[21:46:32] <TrevizeDaneel> I have to calculate the width of the signal in time
[21:46:48] <_av500_> not calculate
[21:46:50] <_av500_> measure
[21:46:59] <TrevizeDaneel> true,
[21:47:22] <N2TOH> other then an input circuit, all you have to do is count the cycles between you activated vs nonactivated states
[21:47:31] <N2TOH> your*
[21:47:42] <_av500_> doing that from user space and javascript might be not feasible
[21:47:53] <_av500_> i mean you can count but it can be way off
[21:47:57] <_av500_> what time res do you need?
[21:48:03] <N2TOH> that data sheet will tell you what range of frequencies the BBB can support
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[21:49:38] <TrevizeDaneel> I see, well I really have no idea on what the resoluion is as I coudnt be able to try it yet, I need to measure rough distances so +- 2,5cm
[21:49:46] <_av500_> https://www.google.com/search?q=hc-sr04+linux
[21:50:31] <TrevizeDaneel> so that makes it around +-145us resolution
[21:50:48] <_av500_> kernel driver or PRU
[21:51:29] <_av500_> https://github.com/Teknoman117/beaglebot/tree/master/hcsr04-demo
[21:51:31] <_av500_> like herre
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[21:56:39] <TrevizeDaneel> thnx saw that one, PRU method seems nice but I'd like to use javascript as I'll use it in a webpage :(
[21:57:07] <TrevizeDaneel> do you think that 'd do?: http://beagleboard.org/Support/BoneScript/attachInterrupt/
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[22:03:36] <_av500_> it will work
[22:03:43] <_av500_> but I bet the accuracy will be awful
[22:04:14] <_av500_> so, I think it wont really "ork"
[22:04:16] <_av500_> work
[22:04:18] <_av500_> Orc!
[22:06:42] <TrevizeDaneel> lol
[22:07:04] <TrevizeDaneel> but how could I calculate the width of the signal with this function?
[22:07:14] <TrevizeDaneel> or measure :P
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[22:08:47] <agmlego> Log the timestamp when the interrupt is triggered for a rising edge, then record a timestamp when the interrupt is triggered for a falling edge.
[22:08:51] <_av500_> get the wallclock time
[22:08:53] <_av500_> remember it
[22:08:57] <_av500_> get it again
[22:08:59] <agmlego> The difference will be your pulse widtrh, plus any latency.
[22:09:01] <_av500_> do simple math
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[22:09:20] <agmlego> Really, really standard, basic stuff here... ;-P
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[22:12:20] <TrevizeDaneel> jeezz.... seriously such a shame.. I'll go cry in a corner
[22:12:30] <TrevizeDaneel> thnx guys
[22:12:41] <agmlego> Heh, no problem.
[22:12:48] <agmlego> It is often the simple shit that is the hardest.
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[23:19:46] <_av500_> on your arduino?
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