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  • [01:40:48] <r> hi all
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  • [01:42:19] <rmedia> Hi all
  • [01:42:43] <johns> Does anyone have experience cross-compiling to BBB using CodeComposer Studio?
  • [01:42:50] <rmedia> Im a beaglebone black newb and quite familiar with the raspberry pi
  • [01:43:07] <nomel> hey all
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  • [01:43:35] <rmedia> im trying to install a simple webserver on my BBB. Do i need to install an os on my bbb?
  • [01:44:35] <johns> Is the BlackHawk USB100v2 emulator preferable to the Olimex?
  • [01:45:30] <johns> @rmedia It comes with ArchLinux installed. Fire up the BBB and take a look.
  • [01:46:13] <rmedia> i just installed the drivers and am at the cloud9 interface
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  • [01:48:02] <rmedia> how do i get to the command line
  • [01:50:31] <N2TOH> have you tried crtl+alt+t
  • [01:50:49] <rmedia> from cloud 9
  • [01:50:50] <rmedia> ?
  • [01:51:05] <N2TOH> don't know that one
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  • [02:08:28] <nomel> rmedia, it's a linux box, so ssh in.
  • [02:08:39] <nomel> with putty or something...or the slow cloud9 interface :)
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  • [02:10:32] <vxe> rmedia: did you read the manual?
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  • [02:23:39] <nomel> manuals are for nerds.
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  • [03:00:49] <ds2> this confirms it... ubuntu is done by a bunch of total imbicles
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  • [03:04:25] <emeb_mac> film at 11
  • [03:04:36] <m_billybob> was there ever any doubt ?
  • [03:04:56] <N2TOH> what is it this time?
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  • [03:15:00] <tacon> the dinkweedle broke on the dinkwebber
  • [03:15:35] <ds2> what kind of moron disables the middle button by default
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  • [03:26:00] <emocakes> ubuntu rocks
  • [03:26:07] <emocakes> ubuntu is a great OS
  • [03:26:07] <emocakes> :p
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  • [03:30:26] <jerryn> Is there any low level programming information for the beaglbone and the L3G4200D accelerometer/temprature sensor ? It'si2c
  • [03:30:32] <jerryn> i2c
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  • [03:34:14] <ds2> it just works
  • [03:34:21] <ds2> the bone runs stock Linux
  • [03:34:26] <ds2> nothing special about it
  • [03:34:41] <ds2> took all of 20minutes (compile/install/start) to get it running and visible in Android
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  • [03:54:27] <pkh> hey all -- apart from maybe the MAC address, is there an easily accessible GUID on each BBB?
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  • [04:46:51] <pkh> hey all -- apart from maybe the MAC address, is there an easily accessible GUID on each BBB?
  • [04:48:17] <emeb_mac> pkh: no certain, but I think there may be a unique ID burned into the system ROM area that's accessible through sysfs.
  • [04:49:55] <pkh> ah, ok. will see if google can come up with something with that as a keyword
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  • [04:53:21] <pkh> hmmm, nothing obvious -- guess will use mac for now...
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  • [05:10:44] <emocakes> OS: Windows 8 Server Datacenter (full installation) (Version 6.2 Build 9200), CPU: 12 x Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2630 0 @ 2.30GHz @ 2294 MHz 1536 KB Cache, MEM: 73693 MB, 86% (63296 MB) free, DISKS: total 19.0 Tb, 17.2 Tb free, GFX: NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX/9800 GTX+ 512 MB, SCREEN: Generic PnP Monitor, 2560 x 1440 @ 32 bit, AUDIO: Sound Blaster Z, UPTIME: 0 d, 3 h, 47 m
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  • [05:47:41] <nomel> hrmm, my kernel module doesn't build with 9
  • [05:47:43] <nomel> -5 image.
  • [05:47:49] <nomel> "disagrees about version of symbol device_create"
  • [05:47:58] <nomel> at least the headers are the right version this time :D
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  • [05:58:54] <nomel> err, never mind. looks like the kernel-dev and kernel-headers packages are garbage again. broken for the third image in a row. hooray.
  • [05:59:39] <ds2> silly kids... packages blah
  • [05:59:57] <nomel> opkg is for nerds, just like manuals.
  • [06:00:15] <nomel> real men don't use distributions, the compile everything from source.
  • [06:00:31] <ka6sox> and me without my boots
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  • [06:01:23] <ds2> it ain't deep enough to need boots
  • [06:02:03] <nomel> ok, jumpin ship to debian. angstrom is too bleeding for me.
  • [06:02:30] <ds2> ewwwwwwwww debian
  • [06:02:35] <nomel> i'll wait for features to stop dropping off and give it another go sometime in the future.
  • [06:02:42] <ds2> you can use OE w/o Angstrom
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  • [06:05:02] <nomel> as long as whatever has *any* level of automated testing to see if stuff actually works, I'm for it.
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  • [06:05:23] <nomel> this "let the users and devs stumble into the problems" is f'n nuts man.
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  • [07:10:27] <KotH> a wonderfully JIHADy good morning everyone
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  • [07:14:34] <AStorm> angstrom too bleeding? no, not really
  • [07:14:38] <AStorm> it's quite outdated
  • [07:14:58] <AStorm> it's just quite broken, like slackware in 90s
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  • [07:22:19] <KotH> AStorm: good morning
  • [07:22:26] <KotH> AStorm: a wonderfully, gurmpy day to you too!
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  • [07:27:48] <Shadyman> LOL
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  • [07:57:56] <kasii_> hello am enthusiastic with electronic gift beagle bone black with couple of projects can i read various parameters hummidity,temperature of the soil
  • [07:58:42] <keesj> sounds fun
  • [07:59:14] <LetoThe2nd> sounds dirty fun.
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  • [07:59:36] <kasii_> yes keesj
  • [08:00:15] <keesj> what tools are you using nodejs android something else?
  • [08:00:26] * KotH uses plain old c
  • [08:00:41] <KotH> nothing of that newfangled stuff called node.js ;)
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  • [08:03:06] <ynezz> but then you're not asynchronous-free-cool-in !
  • [08:03:32] <KotH> *sigh*
  • [08:03:39] <KotH> 1) i know how to write async code in c
  • [08:03:53] <KotH> 2) node.js is not fully async
  • [08:04:14] <KotH> 3) any c code i write is much faster than anything you can write with node.js, even if i dont do async i/o
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  • [08:04:53] <KotH> 4) why the heck did the "node.js is cancer" blog post get removed, i would like to point people there
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  • [08:06:54] <quale> https://github.com/RobertCNelson/netinstall/commits/master/hwpack/am335x-boneblack.conf I .. don't understand. I just threw netinstall on a microSD card, booted it on my BBB, and ... emmc doesn't show up in the installer, because it's been disabled. Has anyone else used this netinstall tool? Is it supposed to just install over the microSD card used to boot itself?
  • [08:07:24] <keesj> I like c for kernel code but find all that userland stuff interacting in c a major pain
  • [08:07:26] <av500> KotH: http://pages.citebite.com/b2x0j8q1megb
  • [08:07:52] <quale> I was expecting to use the microSD to boot the netinstaller, install debian to the eMMC, then reformat the microSD to use as extra storage. Am I totally goofing this up? :P
  • [08:07:53] <KotH> *bookmark*
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  • [08:07:55] <KotH> av500: thanks
  • [08:08:11] <ds2> what you need is a call that maps code and kicks off execution in kernel space
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  • [08:08:19] <KotH> keesj: yes, writing c can be tedious
  • [08:08:32] <KotH> keesj: for the quick and dirty stuff i use perl
  • [08:08:48] <ds2> bah... quick and dirty is for /bin/sh :P
  • [08:08:54] <KotH> keesj: which is not only faster to write than js but also faster in execution time
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  • [08:09:47] <ynezz> keesj: there's Lua for that :)
  • [08:10:02] <KotH> ah yes, lua works as well
  • [08:10:10] <KotH> also faster than node.js stuff :)
  • [08:10:36] <KotH> actually, anything is faster to write and execute than node.js, even this abomination called python ;)
  • [08:10:59] <ynezz> speed is relative
  • [08:10:59] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: hey, leave my family out of that!
  • [08:11:36] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: python, not sandworms
  • [08:11:46] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: "abominations"
  • [08:11:49] <keesj> lua might be the right tool. but it doesn't tell you how to make different components talk to eachother either.(I had to deal with dbus in my previous jobs...)
  • [08:12:29] <av500> KotH: thank Larry and Sergey
  • [08:12:33] <keesj> anyway. people writing c code are less noisy (they blame themself when it doesn't work)
  • [08:13:11] <ynezz> you mean sockets?
  • [08:13:13] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: as a descendant of a bene geserit and the heir of atreides, you have a weird way to refer to your family
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  • [08:13:55] <keesj> sockets is only part of the story you also need "naming" and serialisation. I think modern systems like nodejs are just great at that
  • [08:13:56] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: i'm used to be called "weird"
  • [08:14:04] <KotH> keesj: using dbus for IPC is... i dont have words for that
  • [08:14:29] <ynezz> serialization is built in Lua
  • [08:14:46] <KotH> keesj: just to make sure you understand what you are doing: dbus was NEVER intended to be a general IPC system. NEVER EVER. that why it's so horribly slow, and doesnt really work as expected
  • [08:14:59] <KotH> keesj: actually, from it's design it's a poor mans version of the X11 atom system
  • [08:15:16] <KotH> keesj: without the network transparency and the authentication
  • [08:15:56] <keesj> at my previous employer we also combined that with upstart (I am partly to blame and something at night I wake up and scream )
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  • [08:16:57] <nomel> KotH, I'm glad i'm not the only one that thinks using dbus for ipc is a gigantic wtf.
  • [08:18:37] <keesj> c just lacks some better standarisation in that area (communication,threading,gui) . threre are tons's of choices to be made by anyone trying to make something remotly usefull :p. but that is that makes it fun
  • [08:18:44] <KotH> nomel: dbus was designed to used as a notification system of hardware events into x11 apps (mostly destkop environments). and that's IMHO the only thing you should use it, if at all
  • [08:19:21] <KotH> nomel: beside, the ICCCM (the document that standardizes the high level part of X11 communication proto) say "Thou shalt not have any IPC system beside me"
  • [08:19:37] <av500> seems like that should be moved into the kernel, no?
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  • [08:20:22] <keesj> I looks at a set of alternatives (zeromq, binders, .....)
  • [08:20:23] <KotH> definitly!
  • [08:20:29] <keesj> i looked
  • [08:20:45] <keesj> I do like the binders approach
  • [08:20:54] <KotH> keesj: zeromq is quite nice imho. unles you want to do point-to-point communication only. then it's a bit weird to set up :)
  • [08:20:54] <av500> binders full of busses?
  • [08:21:06] <KotH> binders full of chocolate!
  • [08:22:08] <keesj> no binder is quite lean , no buses (only p2p) the rest is built on top of that and it offers nice features and guaranties
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  • [08:22:32] <Anguel> Hi! It looks like some touchscreen / adc bugs have been introduced through the latest 3.8 kernel patches that make the LCD touchscreens unusable. I see that Zubair Lutfullah has submitted the patches. Can you please tell me if I should contact him directly or what is the procedure in such case?
  • [08:22:49] <ynezz> fix it, send patch
  • [08:23:23] <keesj> (but not usable outside of a single host)
  • [08:23:59] <Anguel> I am afraid that I don't have the experience to fix it
  • [08:24:09] <ynezz> but you can bisect it right?
  • [08:24:16] <ynezz> there's directory called Documentation which contains documentation and there's some file called 'submitting patches'
  • [08:26:24] <ynezz> basically you don't write directly to author, but to the corresponding mailing list
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  • [08:26:48] <ynezz> each part has such mailing list/maintainer, so check MAINTAINERS file
  • [08:26:51] <keesj> so kasii_ happy with your code?
  • [08:26:59] <Anguel> a ok, so i have to find the list and write there about the problems i discovered?
  • [08:27:04] <ynezz> or scripts/get_maintainer.pl path/to/the/borken/source.c
  • [08:27:25] <nomel> doesn't looks like systemd is smart enough to handle restarting a service with sucessfully started dependencies
  • [08:27:54] <ynezz> Anguel: basically you want to find a preferred way of submitting bugs, each project has it's own rules
  • [08:28:17] <ynezz> Anguel: so read something about it
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  • [08:30:08] <Anguel> ynezz: I am not 100% sure where the bug comes from, just see that in Angstrom 2013.06.20 everything works ok, and in later images it does not. I also see that some patches have been released in the meantime. I will have to look where to post that feedback.
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  • [08:31:13] <keesj> but Zubair is our gsoc student and should be here right?
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  • [08:36:08] <Anguel> this is probably their mailing list? https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/7/17/450
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  • [08:37:14] <KotH> Anguel: lkml and linux-arm-kernel
  • [08:37:32] <KotH> Anguel: mail should go on both, with linux-arm-kernel being the more important
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  • [08:37:52] <KotH> Anguel: and CC the maintainer of the code
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  • [08:38:05] <KotH> Anguel: for more info see the patch submission guidelines in Documentation/
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  • [08:38:35] <Anguel> KotH: thank you, can I submit bug reports in the same way?
  • [08:39:56] <KotH> Anguel: sure
  • [08:40:05] <Anguel> ok, i will have a look
  • [08:40:09] <Anguel> thanks
  • [08:41:51] <ynezz> I doubt, that someone would care about Angstrom kernel there
  • [08:41:56] <ynezz> :)
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  • [08:44:30] <ynezz> nobody sane is going to waste his time with some custom kernel, so do not expect much help
  • [08:45:10] <ynezz> basically you want to compile your own kernel from vanilla sources
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  • [08:46:02] <ynezz> once you have done that, it's easy to bisect the right broken commit which introduced this issue for you
  • [08:46:18] <ynezz> google for 'git bisect kernel'
  • [08:47:41] <ynezz> I understand, that it might be quite hard with BBB (you would need to patch your kernel anyway, otherwise it won't boot)
  • [08:48:26] <ynezz> but you don't want to spam lkml with 'it was working with Angstrom.2013.x' but it's broken 'in 2013.9'
  • [08:48:58] <ynezz> you need to isolate the problem to bare minimum, possibly with just vanilla kernel tree
  • [08:49:37] <ynezz> then your chances for some meaningful answer and probably help/fix are high :)
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  • [08:50:26] <ynezz> but as keesj already suggested, that guy might be idling here so it could be a nice shortcut to slap him with some trout
  • [08:50:39] <ynezz> :)
  • [08:50:52] <Anguel> ynezz: I will try to post zubair and if he wants he can look, i mean those guys are working with the code, I don't have experience and resources to start from scratch
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  • [08:52:48] <rmedia_> anyone using a wifi adapeter with their beaglebone black
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  • [08:53:33] <ynezz> Anguel: well, it migh also be the situation, that he has fixed the ADC and the broken is the touchscreen driver now?
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  • [08:54:47] <ynezz> Anguel: as it was based on previously broken code from the ADC (or maybe the touchscreen calibration)? So now the ADC is fixed but touchscreen broken...
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  • [08:55:35] <Anguel> it's possible, will look what code they have changed
  • [08:55:43] <rmedia_> anyone using a wifi usb dongle
  • [08:56:08] <nomel> trivia: insmod exits before the module has loadede
  • [08:56:43] <nomel> rmedia_: there are lots of people. check the beagleboard forum.
  • [08:57:06] <rmedia_> do you need the power supply for it to work because mine isnt detected
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  • [08:58:20] <nomel> how do you know it's not being detected?
  • [08:58:25] <nomel> does dmesg show anything?
  • [08:58:35] <nomel> when you plug it in?
  • [08:58:36] <rmedia_> ifconfig doesnt show wlan0
  • [08:58:57] <nomel> ok, so it's not being used as a network device
  • [08:59:04] <nomel> but does the os know the device exists?
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  • [08:59:13] <rmedia_> how can i check?
  • [08:59:25] <nomel> did you install drivers?
  • [08:59:37] <rmedia_> according to the info online, it should work with my model out of the box
  • [09:00:05] <nomel> check dmesg after you plug it in.
  • [09:00:34] <nomel> and, this info is for your os and your beaglebone?
  • [09:00:50] <nomel> err...your distribution
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  • [09:01:00] <rmedia_> that im not sure
  • [09:01:09] <rmedia_> i just plugged it in and ssh into it
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  • [09:01:11] <rmedia_> lemme make sure
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  • [09:02:22] <rmedia_> ok its supposed to work on angstrom
  • [09:02:32] <rmedia_> what distro does bbb come shipped with?
  • [09:02:41] <nomel> angstrom
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  • [09:03:07] <rmedia_> i just found this...
  • [09:03:09] <rmedia_> WIFI Adapters NOTE: It is highly recommend that you use DC power when running these dongles due to the current requirements of the dongles.
  • [09:03:29] <nomel> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=WiFi#WiFi_With_rtl8192cu_.28Edimax.29
  • [09:03:49] <nomel> did you "opkg install wireless-tools"
  • [09:04:18] <nomel> and install the firmware?
  • [09:04:25] <rmedia_> no im oging to do that now
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  • [09:08:38] <rmedia_> Thanks nomel i hope this works
  • [09:09:00] <rmedia_> i also need to make a backup of the os after i upgrade and install the drivers
  • [09:09:23] <rmedia_> do you have a link for making an image of my existing BBB?
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  • [09:29:47] <Anguel> sorry, my internet provider cut the connection :(
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  • [09:50:58] <narcos> Hi all. So, this image wouldn't work on the white? - http://www.armhf.com/index.php/boards/beaglebone-black/
  • [09:51:05] <narcos> What Ubuntu image can I use for the white?
  • [09:51:29] <KotH> narcos: bbw and bbb are different hardware
  • [09:51:46] <KotH> narcos: using the image of one on the other might let the magic smoke out
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  • [10:00:38] <pkh> still looking if anyone knows -- does each beaglebone black have a GUID? barring any other option, going to use MAC
  • [10:01:35] <KotH> afaik it doesnt
  • [10:01:41] <av500> CPU might have an ID
  • [10:01:44] <KotH> have a loot at the TRM
  • [10:01:56] <av500> OMAPs have, dunno about AM335x
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  • [10:03:06] <av500> ...Device Part Number (Unique JTAG ID)...
  • [10:03:51] <pkh> cheers, will google around with that
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  • [10:16:36] <KotH> pkh: read the TRM
  • [10:16:44] <av500> pkh: 9.3.15 device_id Register (offset = 600h) [reset = 0x]
  • [10:17:07] <pkh> was hacking my way though it -- thanks for the pointer
  • [10:17:30] <av500> hmm
  • [10:17:30] <av500> not sure
  • [10:17:37] <av500> says part number
  • [10:17:42] <av500> and 16bit only
  • [10:17:54] <av500> I guess its to identify the part
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  • [10:21:24] <pkh> i've been chewing on the concept and am leaning toward MAC -- that way if I end up migrating to another platform I can guarantee it'll have to have network, therefore MAC, any hardware-based GUID is likely to be BBB-secific
  • [10:22:23] <av500> well, its all HW specific
  • [10:22:30] <av500> nothing garantees a MAC
  • [10:22:34] <av500> BB XM has no MAC
  • [10:22:49] <av500> its generated from CPU ID
  • [10:22:50] <av500> or from /dev/random
  • [10:23:19] <KotH> how random is /dev/random on the xm?
  • [10:23:37] <av500> about this random |<----------------------->|
  • [10:27:07] <Anguel> I have now sent an e-mail to Zubair regarding the touchscreen bug, let's see if he can give some hints where the problem comes from.
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  • [10:55:20] <mcl024> Hi
  • [10:58:17] <mcl024> Is it possible to connect two external hdd to the beaglebone black without an usb hub?
  • [11:01:36] <LetoThe2nd> mcl024: if you have to ask, then "no" :)
  • [11:03:48] <mcl024> Ok!? With an external powered usb hub?
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  • [11:04:37] <mrpackethead> KotH: i got my multicast to work!
  • [11:04:45] <LetoThe2nd> the "powered" or not entirely depends on the harddisks.
  • [11:11:05] <KotH> mrpackethead: \o/
  • [11:12:34] <KotH> Anguel: carefull with the mac: on embedded systems the mac address is often generated at boot up from some random source
  • [11:12:49] <KotH> Anguel: it's neither guaranteed to be stable nor to be unique
  • [11:13:04] <Anguel> KotH: Why me? :)
  • [11:13:11] <KotH> er..
  • [11:13:12] <KotH> Anguel: sorry
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  • [11:13:21] <Anguel> KotH: no problem
  • [11:13:32] <KotH> post-lunch-brain-not-working-syndrome
  • [11:13:43] <mrpackethead> KotH: was just a matter of reading more doco
  • [11:13:52] <mrpackethead> and trying something
  • [11:13:52] <KotH> pkh: carefull with the mac: on embedded systems the mac address is often generated at boot up from some random source
  • [11:13:58] <KotH> pkh: it's neither guaranteed to be stable nor to be unique
  • [11:14:04] <pkh> bugger
  • [11:14:10] <KotH> mrpackethead: it's always about reading more docu :)
  • [11:14:43] <mrpackethead> now i need to uderstand UUID's and how to create them
  • [11:14:47] <KotH> pkh: if you want a stable and unique mac, you have to check the hardware whether it provides one and if it doesn, use one of those serial eeprom devices that come with a mac
  • [11:14:57] <mrpackethead> was quite proud of myself
  • [11:14:58] <KotH> pkh: maxim sell's them for cheap
  • [11:15:18] <mrpackethead> i went from not knowing how to program sockets
  • [11:15:24] <mrpackethead> to doing something useful in almost no time.
  • [11:15:31] <KotH> mrpackethead: i hope you have a copy of stevens?
  • [11:16:28] <mrpackethead> being the CTO is not conducive to also programming
  • [11:16:32] <pkh> interesting, might sidestep the sisue completel -- nice
  • [11:16:38] <mrpackethead> i need to be isoalted from teh world to program
  • [11:16:44] <mrpackethead> the concentration required is pretty had out
  • [11:17:31] <mcl024> thx
  • [11:18:01] <KotH> mrpackethead: being a CTO means usually that you should not touch and device at all. much less work on one
  • [11:19:26] <KotH> pkh: http://www.maximintegrated.com/datasheet/index.mvp/id/3748
  • [11:19:40] <KotH> pkh: maxim has more of that kind, even complete authentification solutions
  • [11:19:56] <pkh> thats the one I was reading through.
  • [11:20:09] <KotH> pkh: look at the one wire solutions too
  • [11:20:13] <KotH> mrpackethead: it's the same here
  • [11:20:15] <pkh> does look ideal, and 1-wire so simple to plumb in
  • [11:20:30] <KotH> mrpackethead: i usually work with my headphone on, so i dont hear people talking around me
  • [11:20:58] <mrpackethead> KotH: I need to know enough about lots of things so i can make good judgement calls
  • [11:21:23] <mrpackethead> Problem is i have a team of very clever but not highly expereicend engineers
  • [11:21:36] <mrpackethead> keeping a lid on it, is hard sometimes
  • [11:21:41] <KotH> mrpackethead: yeah.. the view from 10'000m ;)
  • [11:21:49] <KotH> mrpackethead: ugh...
  • [11:21:51] <mrpackethead> lol
  • [11:22:09] <KotH> mrpackethead: same here.. too many people of my age, who have not seen enough of the world out there :-(
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  • [11:22:49] <KotH> mrpackethead: actually, the worst part of it is, that there are only 2 people here i can actually learn from :-((
  • [11:23:11] <mrpackethead> i hink you can learn from everyone
  • [11:23:16] <mrpackethead> if you try hard enough
  • [11:23:42] <KotH> if you have the time for that
  • [11:23:59] <KotH> i have hardly the time to learn the stuff i need for the work i'm doing
  • [11:24:19] <KotH> why do you think i'm going to lectures again?
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  • [11:37:37] <KotH> mrpackethead: do you know why a hatched ground plane results in less deformation of a PCB than a closed ground plane?
  • [11:39:20] <Spirilis> hm, wild guess I'd say is the spacing in the copper relieves stress
  • [11:39:53] <KotH> the coper planes are usualy in a middle layer, there is nowhere for the copper to go to relieve its stress
  • [11:40:00] <Russ> if you have 30% copper in one area, and 100% in another, you have different thicknesses
  • [11:40:09] <Russ> hatching reduces that
  • [11:40:22] <KotH> ahh..
  • [11:40:26] <KotH> that might be it
  • [11:40:41] <KotH> but why dont these french morons write that in their document?
  • [11:40:42] <Russ> if you manage your copper fill, it isn't really a problem
  • [11:41:00] <Russ> I haven't seen hatched copper in a long time except on flex
  • [11:41:12] <KotH> same here
  • [11:41:30] <KotH> wait... not true. OGD1 has a hatched plane
  • [11:41:42] <av500> pkh: DS2401
  • [11:41:47] <Russ> probably a cargo cult one
  • [11:42:15] <av500> +1
  • [11:42:20] <av500> it looks 1337
  • [11:42:51] <KotH> Russ: space seems to be full of paper producing industries that have been worshiping aliens for generations
  • [11:43:31] <KotH> i even have different minimu distances for via on the top/bottom vs mid layers
  • [11:43:37] <KotH> how that should ever work out, i dont know
  • [11:43:55] <Russ> its very common to have tighter tolerances on inner layers
  • [11:44:03] <KotH> oh.. and dont bring blind vias up, they are not allowed
  • [11:44:04] <Russ> usually because they have thinner copper
  • [11:44:38] <av500> KotH: I guess they are afraid of them blowing up
  • [11:44:38] <KotH> yes, but i cannot make the spacing on a mid layer smaller than on the top and bottom layer for a via. they are multilayer by definition
  • [11:44:42] <av500> goign all jihad on you
  • [11:44:54] * KotH will soon go jihad on the french
  • [11:45:14] <Russ> you wouldn't want to pay for blind/buried vias anyway
  • [11:45:24] <KotH> we do that often
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  • [11:45:42] <pkh> av500: looks like it would solve the issue we've been discussing, but the other (DS2502) seems to also allow storage of a few bytes of infromation as well... might be ueful (for the extra 80c.)
  • [11:45:52] <Russ> ah, every time I considered it, my thought was "screw that"
  • [11:46:01] <av500> pkh: sure
  • [11:46:03] <KotH> but as i said, on this space project we are not allowed to use them
  • [11:46:19] <KotH> Russ: if you can get around it, it's better to not use them. but sometime you cannot
  • [11:46:40] <KotH> Russ: and as we have specialized on small and space restricted designs, we quite often cannot get around them
  • [11:47:05] <Russ> well yes, certain components force your hand too
  • [11:47:37] <Russ> luckily I've never needed them
  • [11:48:14] <KotH> Russ: like the last miniature project we've done: msp430 including power supply from 24v, rs485 driver and 8MByte serial flash on a 17x7.5mm print, that had to fit into an 8mm hole :)
  • [11:48:35] <av500> KotH: not asking what hole that is
  • [11:48:40] <av500> totally not asking
  • [11:48:44] <KotH> av500: a true hole!
  • [11:48:45] <Russ> true holes.
  • [11:48:59] <KotH> Russ: :)
  • [11:52:41] <KotH> av500: did you know, that in freshmen psychology you learn about all the kind of measurment devices used... even those that fit into holes ? ;)
  • [11:53:19] <av500> of course
  • [11:53:24] <av500> gotta learn your tools
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  • [11:59:44] <wwwaaa> helllo
  • [11:59:48] <av500> mrpackethead: https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/112266164281670850856/albums/5924558535711349313
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  • [12:00:17] <wwwaaa> while building kernel for BBB....how can we install filesystem????
  • [12:00:37] <wwwaaa> uImage is ready
  • [12:00:52] <av500> ?
  • [12:00:54] <wwwaaa> but cannot find filesystem
  • [12:00:58] <KotH> av500: what is the cellphoe for?
  • [12:01:05] <av500> music
  • [12:01:27] <KotH> av500: dont you have a record player?
  • [12:01:34] <av500> at home
  • [12:01:44] <av500> though i'll get my parents' one soon
  • [12:02:13] <wwwaaa> <av500> can you pls helpp me
  • [12:02:25] <av500> for what?
  • [12:02:29] <av500> what filesystem?
  • [12:02:53] <wwwaaa> bin,opt,usr,var...
  • [12:03:03] <av500> sigh
  • [12:03:22] <av500> your BBB came with a filesystem
  • [12:03:25] <av500> why not use it?
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  • [12:04:01] <wwwaaa> actually i am rebuilding the kernel....so as a first step i have builded the image successfully...
  • [12:04:19] <wwwaaa> but now the filesystem..
  • [12:04:19] <av500> good
  • [12:04:28] <av500> you want to rebuild the file system?
  • [12:04:35] <wwwaaa> yes
  • [12:04:50] <av500> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
  • [12:05:06] <av500> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/
  • [12:05:11] <av500> read and follow steps
  • [12:06:14] <wwwaaa> thanks...av500...lemme check
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  • [13:07:21] <georgem> Has anyone here booted a 3.10.x kernel on beaglebone? If so, could you please point me to the patch sets.
  • [13:09:44] <av500> https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/
  • [13:09:49] <av500> georgem: there is .11
  • [13:09:50] <av500> and .9
  • [13:10:05] <av500> so if you take the average of both.....
  • [13:10:32] <georgem> av500: haha, I'm in the process of doing that
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  • [13:10:42] <vmayoral> greetings
  • [13:12:01] <georgem> I was going to try pulling patches from both to see which applied and try to sort out the conflicts
  • [13:12:48] <georgem> Figures koen or whoever would skip the long term support kernel, lol
  • [13:14:22] <av500> georgem: feel free to step up and take that over
  • [13:14:59] <av500> chasing one kernel is enugh
  • [13:15:02] <av500> +o
  • [13:17:32] <georgem> yeah. I may do that. I'm sure others could benefit from a long term support kernel, especially if I also maintain a branch with RT-PREEMPT.
  • [13:20:59] <georgem> I built 3.11, now to see if it actually boots. That would be a good start.
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  • [13:32:15] <yegorich> What's the real use case for https://github.com/ungureanuvladvictor/BBBabb?
  • [13:32:29] <yegorich> Is it talking to ROM boot?
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  • [13:37:19] <acs> Hi
  • [13:37:45] <acs> I'm trying to connect my bluetooth device via usb
  • [13:37:55] <acs> it shows in hci0
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  • [13:38:31] <cfo215> I'm getting "Error: unrecognized/unsupported machine ID (r1 = 0x00000e05)." after booting my kernel on Beaglebone Black. see http://pastebin.com/pXXdd7g1 for more details
  • [13:38:37] <acs> but I want to learn which virtual terminal correspinding to USB like dev/ttyACM*
  • [13:38:56] <vvu|Log> cfo215: you are missing the dtb file
  • [13:40:58] <cfo215> I'm using the Angstrom distribution. It seem to put all that stuff in the rootfs. it doesn't create a uEnv.txt file
  • [13:41:49] <cfo215> nor a dtb file
  • [13:43:50] <acs> Hi, I'm trying to connect Bluetooth dongle its connected to bbb USB port and its on hci0 but I want to learn its virtual serial port like /dev/tty* (Note: ls /dev/tty* controlled before and after connecting but didnt change)
  • [13:44:13] <cfo215> vvu|Log, none of my images have a dtb file. the emmc-flasher, cloud9 etc.
  • [13:44:35] <cfo215> vvu|Log, maybe cloud9 did. don't have one handy.
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  • [13:45:38] <vvu|Log> the dtb is appended to the kernel
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  • [13:45:59] <cfo215> vvu|Log, ah, thank you.
  • [13:46:45] <GeorgeHenrique> Angstrom has the translation to Portuguese of Brazil?
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  • [13:48:45] <acs> No one can answer my question?
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  • [13:55:56] <georgem> Looks like panto has a 3.10 beagle branch on github, lets try this out.
  • [13:58:18] <GeorgeHenrique> Angstrom has the translation to Portuguese of Brazil?
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  • [13:59:23] <LetoThe2nd> GeorgeHenrique: care to explain what angstrom *itself* should have in translations? either the pacakges have it, or nto.
  • [14:00:09] <GeorgeHenrique> LetoThe2nd I want to translate the interface, the menu, the windows
  • [14:00:36] <LetoThe2nd> GeorgeHenrique: that has nothing to do with angstrom.
  • [14:00:58] <LetoThe2nd> GeorgeHenrique: that is gnome, or whatever desktop you are using.
  • [14:01:23] <GeorgeHenrique> yeah
  • [14:01:25] <GeorgeHenrique> I want to translate my BEAGLEBONE with linux already has it.
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  • [14:02:15] <panto> GeorgeHenrique, beaglehueso?
  • [14:02:37] <LetoThe2nd> GeorgeHenrique: go read https://wiki.gnome.org/TranslationProject then. that has nothing to do with angstrom or the beaglebone
  • [14:03:56] <LetoThe2nd> GeorgeHenrique: after that, read http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/angstrom/files/angstrom-manual.pdf
  • [14:04:00] <LetoThe2nd> GeorgeHenrique: pg24ff.
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  • [14:14:07] <beep-blip> how do i set my ubuntu (pc) to recognize BBB (using ubuntu on usd) via usb?
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  • [14:15:20] <LetoThe2nd> beep-blip: have the BBB load whatever g_* module you want - storage, serial, etc.
  • [14:15:55] <honschu> Hi, is it possible to build qt5 without OpenGLES so that I don't need all this SGX-bla-foo?
  • [14:17:07] <beep-blip> letothe2nd: i am not sure i understand you...bbb not shown in lsusb
  • [14:17:47] <LetoThe2nd> beep-blip: well if you do not tell your ubuntu to provide something over usb, it will not show up.
  • [14:18:02] <LetoThe2nd> beep-blip: your google buzzwords are "linux usb gadget"
  • [14:19:51] <beep-blip> letothe2nd: i had no problem with angstrom. hmm...
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  • [14:20:31] <LetoThe2nd> beep-blip: yes, because the angstrom images are configured such that they provide gadget serial and gadget storage by default - which ubuntu probably does not.
  • [14:22:33] <beep-blip> letothe2nd: i had similar problems with wifi usb device before and gave up--using lan cable now ;p
  • [14:24:01] <LetoThe2nd> beep-blip: totally unrelated.
  • [14:25:17] <cfo215> vvu|log, do you know what the correct id should be?
  • [14:26:44] <vvu|Log> pfff dunno
  • [14:26:57] <vvu|Log> you need some custom distro ?
  • [14:27:17] <vvu|Log> i can help you flash the eMMC with my tool *need some testers*
  • [14:29:02] <beep-blip> letothe2nd: would udhcpc work? i am not sure yet...still searching
  • [14:30:29] <LetoThe2nd> beep-blip: what "would udhcpc work"? i have no clue what you mean, or waht you want it to do.
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  • [14:48:44] <vvu|Log> any idea where i can find BeagleBoard pngs images with the icons ?
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  • [14:59:08] <cfo215> Anyone out there using a distro other than Angstrom on a BB Black with LCD7 Cape and Qt4? Console based Qt. Not X11/Qt
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  • [15:03:41] <acs> Hi, I'm trying to connect Bluetooth dongle its connected to bbb USB port and its on hci0 but I want to learn its virtual serial port like /dev/tty* (Note: ls /dev/tty* controlled before and after connecting but didnt change). How can I learn or configure?
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  • [15:16:55] <acs> Hi, I'm trying to connect Bluetooth dongle its connected to bbb USB port and its on hci0 but I want to learn its virtual serial port like /dev/tty* (Note: ls /dev/tty* controlled before and after connecting but didnt change). How can I learn or configure?
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  • [15:30:15] <N2TOH> acs, good question I may be way off but you might be able to config that to always be the same tty device.
  • [15:30:38] <N2TOH> I would start by looking at the USB hardware identifiers
  • [15:31:41] <acs> I am new at bbb and linux I search evrywhere but nothing found in 1 week
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  • [15:33:14] <N2TOH> I've been there and done that, I am by no means highly experienced. yet I do recall small bits here and there of how things work
  • [15:33:31] <acs> Also in ubuntu 13.04 cant find /var/lib/connman/settings file
  • [15:33:53] <acs> http://www.michaelhleonard.com/enable-bluetooth-on-beaglebone-black/
  • [15:33:57] <N2TOH> I reverted back to 12.04 for other reasons
  • [15:34:32] <acs> i mean angstrom and ubuntu relases are different
  • [15:35:07] <N2TOH> I know I have 12.04 LTS installed and installed LXDE last night
  • [15:36:00] <acs> N2TOH please keep in touch mail: cagdaseckin@gmail.com
  • [15:36:39] <acs> is there any link about that?
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  • [15:46:39] <N2TOH> acs, no sorry no direct link. finding anything on the internet is about hitting the correct search therms that are close enough to yield the answers you need
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  • [15:48:17] <acs> N2TOH: correct search therms?
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  • [15:51:42] <N2TOH> acs, your looking for a way to coralate your USB serial adapter to it's location in the ttys locations?
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  • [15:53:46] <acs> N2TOH thanks.
  • [15:54:51] <N2TOH> have you tried "how to find tty address for USB adapter"
  • [15:55:13] <N2TOH> and then maybe append the name of the OS after that
  • [15:55:41] <SilicaGel> man
  • [15:55:57] <SilicaGel> someone just got murdered at one of the indian buffets i sometimes go to for lunch
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  • [15:56:07] <SilicaGel> who the hell stabs someone to death at an indian buffet
  • [15:56:24] <N2TOH> to clarify "correct results" are the one/s that are useful to you.
  • [15:56:30] <SilicaGel> i'm normally so happy when I am eating indian food. It never occurred to me to stab someone.
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  • [15:57:02] <RypRap> where to buy in europe, cheapest ttl 3.3.V (ftdi) usb cable, and + 5V DC (2A ?) adaptor ?...
  • [15:58:19] <RypRap> what are ur favorite electronical shop
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  • [16:00:27] <LetoThe2nd> RypRap: you mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur?
  • [16:00:39] <LetoThe2nd> no idea if they have electronics shops, sorry.
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  • [16:09:54] <RypRap> this is not yet in europe
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  • [16:11:00] <thing> Hello, any suggestion for rechangeable bettery for beaglebone, I need to charge it with solar panel. Thanks.
  • [16:12:19] <RypRap> you may ask your solar cells seller
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  • [16:13:41] <thing> and 5 volt bettery should work ??
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  • [16:42:30] <tisc> I reimaged my sd card with Ubuntu Linux, I connected the beaglebone black to the host computer, it says to log in with an Id and password. But I never set one when I installed it, Nothing told me to set up a password or id.
  • [16:42:35] <georgem> SilicaGel: Maybe someone ate all the Naan?
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  • [17:51:48] <scott_silber> Hello i have a problem with the i2c-0 port. How can i activte this network at pin 17 and 18?
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  • [17:54:35] <cfo215> anyone here ever use emmc-prepare.sh from meta-beagleboard/contrib/bone-flash-tool?
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  • [17:58:46] <ds2> what's the general consensus for using terms on the mailing list that some may read as name calling but is an accurate description per the dictionary?
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  • [18:10:10] <Russ> ds2, please don't refer to linus as "floozy"
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  • [18:13:34] <georgem> well... something with this 3.10 patchset is borked. Anyone seen this before "omap_hsmmc 48060000.mmc: unable to obtain RX DMA engine channel 3". Looks like its using the dma settings for mmc2 instead of mmc1.
  • [18:15:38] <ds2> Russ: not that list :P
  • [18:15:48] <ds2> the beaglelist specifically
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  • [18:57:59] <_vicash_> Hi. I am trying to write a couple of bytes to the EEPROM on the baseboard of a BBB and it doesn't work. i am using "dd if=/home/root/eeprom of=/sys/bus/i2c/devices/0-0050/eeprom bs=1 count=256" to do so.
  • [18:59:03] <_av500_> "it does not work" sounds so harsh
  • [18:59:03] <_vicash_> I have taken the original EEPROM using dd as well and then changed a few bytes at position 0x50 in the EEPROM file and then am trying to rewrite that EEPROM back to the device.
  • [18:59:42] <_vicash_> however, the dd succeeds but when I read it back it doesn't show the updated EEPROM but gives me the earlier version
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  • [19:10:16] <Vaizki> eh can you really write eeproms with dd like that? :O
  • [19:10:34] <Vaizki> sorry I'm a bit of a n00b on things embedded linux .. :)
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  • [19:11:19] <rob_w_> i used cat to dump my whole image to my eeproms .. just fine
  • [19:11:51] <Vaizki> reading I understand, that's easy to do in the driver and completely unintrusive.. but writing..
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  • [19:18:29] <rob_w_> i was using it to write .. just fine
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  • [19:19:02] <rmedia> hello all
  • [19:19:49] <rmedia> i have some questions about the BBB. 1. How do i restore it to factory default? Everytime i try to do an opkg upgrade and install, it fails
  • [19:20:16] <rmedia> secondly, why dont many of the Unix commands work
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  • [19:21:02] <rmedia> dhclient doesnt work
  • [19:21:10] <rmedia> sudo restart doesnt work
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  • [19:23:11] <SoCo_cpp_> rmedia It usually doesn't have sudo installed by default. You typically login as root with a new device. So you should be able to do just 'restart'
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  • [19:24:32] <SoCo_cpp_> rmedia for the latest images see: http://beagleboard.org/latest-images
  • [19:25:18] <SoCo_cpp_> rmedfia (these are for flashing your SD card or eMMC. Typically, with the BBB, the entire image resides on the eMMC and no SD card is used.)
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  • [19:28:41] <SyNko> o.O
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  • [19:29:36] <rmedia> awesome
  • [19:29:42] <_vicash_> rmedia: try reboot instead of restart
  • [19:30:25] <rmedia> perfect
  • [19:30:52] <rmedia> lastly, how do access the /etc/network/interfaces?
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  • [19:31:21] <rmedia> thats where i normally setup the ethernet connections however it doesnt work here
  • [19:31:23] <N2TOH> _vicash_, what's the difference between reboot and restart on the BBB?
  • [19:32:14] <N2TOH> I have been using reboot and it keeps booting from the uSD card, I would like to know how to get it to boot from the onboard eMMC with the uSD card still installed.
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  • [19:36:43] <_vicash_> N2TOH: i don't know. to boot from eMMC instead of uSD with the uSD still installed you may have to remove the /boot/uImage file from there... not sure... do you plan to keep the Linux on the uSD ?
  • [19:37:43] <_vicash_> rmedia: there is a /etc/network/interfaces in my version of Angstrom. you should have it on there too. you do not need dhclient.. it automatically connects to ethernet and uses DHCP without you having to do anything manually. just insert an ethernet cable into the port and try running ifconfig
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  • [19:40:20] <N2TOH> _vicash_, yes as it's a useful tool to be able to use the factory default OS to config other/new installations without extra hardware. and the safety net of not having to worry about bricking the board
  • [19:40:36] <rmedia> when i type nano /etc/network/interfaces theres nothing there
  • [19:40:54] <rmedia> The network settings shoudl be there
  • [19:41:24] <_vicash_> rob_w_: which version of Angstrom were you using then ? it doesnt work on the latest update version. is there a flag that needs to be set as the EEPROM is write protected. I have tried writing from u-boot and from Angstrom
  • [19:41:46] <rob_w_> i am rolling my own...
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  • [19:42:31] <N2TOH> for reference it's possible to reflash the eMMC with new code, but you must boot from the uSD card first before you can do so.
  • [19:42:34] <_vicash_> rob_w_: i am doing that too and the EEPROM writing succeeds but when I read it back it doesnt show the updates
  • [19:43:09] <rob_w_> is it a own baseboard ?
  • [19:43:18] <rob_w_> or the a known cape ?
  • [19:43:54] <_vicash_> N2TOH: i dont know the answer to your question. u can flash the eMMC from the uSD but if your uSD is installed u-boot will pick that. u can go to the u-boot command prompt and change your boot device
  • [19:44:07] <_vicash_> rob_w_: baseboard. not using capes.
  • [19:44:29] <rob_w_> N2TOH, you can put a uboot config on the sd which rolls the onboard mmc boot
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  • [19:45:21] <rob_w_> did you try cat yet ?
  • [19:45:35] <rob_w_> not that it makes a difference but for the stats
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  • [19:47:14] <_vicash_> rob_w_: yes i tried cat and dd ...
  • [19:48:23] <N2TOH> ah thanks, the part that was confusing me was the need to push the button near the uSD card to get it to boot the first time. then after that I was like what the hell?
  • [19:48:23] <rmedia> has anyone installed Beaglenmt? I want a simple beagle server
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  • [19:48:23] <_vicash_> _vicash_: here is what i did. using dd i read the EEPROM and save to file. then i edit 2 bytes on the EEPROM and using dd/cat write it back to the i2c-eeprom file on sysfs.. then i read it back again but no changes have happened. no failures happen either.
  • [19:48:30] <N2TOH> I suppose a script could be installed on both the eMMC, and uSD media to ask every time during boot up what media to use.
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  • [19:48:42] <_vicash_> rob_w_: here is what i did. using dd i read the EEPROM and save to file. then i edit 2 bytes on the EEPROM and using dd/cat write it back to the i2c-eeprom file on sysfs.. then i read it back again but no changes have happened. no failures happen either.
  • [19:48:42] <N2TOH> like LILO and the other PC boot loaders
  • [19:48:51] <_vicash_> N2TOH: it is called u-boot
  • [19:49:01] <_vicash_> N2TOH: and it is already there..
  • [19:49:14] <N2TOH> ah, I will have to go RTFM on that
  • [19:49:29] <rob_w_> _vicash_, ur sure that your file edit worked ?
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  • [19:50:01] <_vicash_> rob_w_: yes the file i edited can be hexdumped and u can see the changes and even diff with the original EEPROM dump.
  • [19:50:10] <rob_w_> well actually i never messed with the bbb eeeprom .. only with our capes additional ones
  • [19:50:26] <_vicash_> rob_w_: well there you go.. i am not talking about capes..
  • [19:50:35] <rob_w_> sorry
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  • [19:51:05] <rob_w_> did the readout of the eeprom bring a valid data ? mean the real data you would exspect
  • [19:51:10] <_vicash_> rob_w_: no problem.
  • [19:51:47] <rob_w_> then i dont know sorry ..
  • [19:51:51] <_vicash_> rob_w_: yes. that is valid.. as per the BBB_SRM.pdf the EEPROM is write protected on the base board.. that's the problem.. i need to find how to un-protect it
  • [19:51:54] <rob_w_> in such cases i pull out my scopes
  • [19:52:06] <rob_w_> ah
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  • [19:52:20] <rob_w_> i was not sure about write protection so i didnt suggested it
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  • [20:02:41] <_vicash_> The BBB_SRM manual section 5.3.2 says the EEPROM has a test point to allow the EEPROM to be programmed. Does anyone know where this test point is on the board ? Thanks.
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  • [20:04:28] <georgem> if you pull up the datasheet for the eeprom you can probably figure out which pin is the write lock, reference the BBB schematic and you should be able to find it
  • [20:05:06] <_vicash_> georgem: thanks.
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  • [20:39:40] <honestly> do I need special incantations to add a route on beagleboard?
  • [20:40:00] <honestly> this doesn't work: ip route add 10.9.8.0/24 via 131.159.74.53 dev eth0
  • [20:40:06] <honestly> all I get is RTNETLINK answers: No such process
  • [20:40:49] <mru> does eth0 exist?
  • [20:41:24] <honestly> yup: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6121112/
  • [20:42:10] <mru> is there a route to 131.159.74.53?
  • [20:42:28] <rmedia> has anyone installed Beaglenmt (bbb server)?
  • [20:42:42] <honestly> mru: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6121119/
  • [20:42:50] <honestly> (yes)
  • [20:43:07] <_vicash_> Has anyone use the Test Points TP1-8 on the BBB ?
  • [20:43:25] <mru> honestly: and what does that route look like?
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  • [20:43:42] <mru> "ip route get 131.159.74.53"
  • [20:44:28] <Vaizki> _vicash_: ground TP4 to remove write protect
  • [20:44:28] <honestly> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6121128/
  • [20:44:33] <Vaizki> from EEPROM
  • [20:44:59] <mru> honestly: so it's already an indirect route
  • [20:45:06] <honestly> mru: yeah...
  • [20:45:18] <mru> so how would that work?
  • [20:45:24] <honestly> heh.
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  • [20:45:35] <honestly> oh my.
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  • [20:46:04] <honestly> whelp, that is problematic.
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  • [20:47:26] <honestly> let's hope I can solve it by just adding that host into the vpn.
  • [20:47:56] <Vaizki> what does this have to do with beagle* ?
  • [20:48:02] <mru> nothing
  • [20:48:08] <Vaizki> just checking!
  • [20:48:12] <honestly> yeah, nothing, it turns out (:
  • [20:48:13] <mru> like most questions here
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  • [20:48:28] <honestly> the networking stack on ubuntu beagle boards works just fine
  • [20:48:29] <Vaizki> well _vicash_ had a reaaaaal beagle-question
  • [20:48:35] <honestly> well, it doesn't, but that's not the problem here (:
  • [20:48:42] <Vaizki> err...
  • [20:49:49] <Vaizki> _vicash_: oh and if you fry your beagle, it's not my fault :)
  • [20:49:59] <Vaizki> forgot the disclaimer
  • [20:51:58] <_vicash_> Vaizki: you are right. that's what the SRM says.. i have to ground TP4. just wanted to know if someone had done it and any tips or cautionary tales ?
  • [20:53:06] <Vaizki> no and no from me
  • [20:53:52] <Vaizki> but you can see on the BBB assembly video that they plug into TP4 during the test bench phase where I suspect they also write the eeprom from uboot via i2c write commands
  • [20:54:43] <_vicash_> Vaizki: do you have a link to that video ?
  • [20:55:06] <Vaizki> let me find it
  • [20:55:20] <_vicash_> Vaizki: i am not an electronics engineer so i appreciate any help.
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  • [20:55:26] <Vaizki> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcqQvH41OR4
  • [20:55:32] <Vaizki> I am not an EE either
  • [20:55:45] <Vaizki> 3:29 onwards
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  • [20:56:03] <_vicash_> Vaizki: Awesome. Thank you.
  • [20:56:04] <Vaizki> plugs in all the ports + TP4
  • [20:56:42] <Vaizki> but I just peeked in the SRM to find out it's TP4 really
  • [20:57:11] <Vaizki> and you can see there that it's normally pulled high via a 10k resistor so to change the WP pin state you ground TP4
  • [20:57:22] <Vaizki> if you want to double check, read the data sheet for the eeprom
  • [20:57:42] <_vicash_> Vaizki: yes i looked at the schematic and the SRM, have the data sheet and it also says the same..
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  • [20:59:04] <Vaizki> yea DS is clear on that, low on WP pin = not protected
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  • [21:02:08] <Vaizki> hmmh that eeprom is a 32Kb one.. I thought the BBB only uses like 2Kb of it?
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  • [21:03:22] <_vicash_> Vaizki: the video doesnt show using the TP4 .. it is more generic testing using expensive equipment.
  • [21:03:58] <Vaizki> _vicash_: you see that one wire sticking out straight from the back of the BBB? that's in TP4 through hole
  • [21:04:19] <_vicash_> Vaizki: that 32K is for the whole I2C EEPROM.. only 256 bytes are used for the baseboard. the rest are for the other capes
  • [21:04:39] <Vaizki> what?
  • [21:04:42] <_vicash_> Vaizki: ah ! yes that's the black wire.. right.
  • [21:04:46] <Vaizki> each cape has its own eeprom
  • [21:05:29] <_vicash_> well as far as i can tell the eeprom has 256 bytes. after which the 256 bytes repeat if u access it from Linux
  • [21:05:53] <_vicash_> so maybe it just burns the same 256 bytes multiple times
  • [21:06:05] <Vaizki> EEPROM-RAID!
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  • [21:08:00] <_vicash_> Vaizki: if i can write to the EEPROM then I can see if i can write to a position > 256 bytes to see if it works.
  • [21:08:48] <Vaizki> I think you have to rewrite the whole eeprom at once if you do
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  • [21:09:58] <_vicash_> Vaizki: yes that's what i mean but with data in the > 256 byte position. anyway. i will try it out tomorrow as i dont want to end the day with a fried BBB
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  • [21:11:30] <Vaizki> well seems like it has a 32byte page or so
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  • [21:12:47] <Vaizki> but apparently you can write single bytes no problem, it will just internally erase and rewrite the 32byte page
  • [21:13:30] <Vaizki> this shit is just too easy with modern chips
  • [21:13:54] <_vicash_> yea
  • [21:14:20] <Vaizki> btw why are you modifying the eeprom?
  • [21:14:27] <Vaizki> changing board id?
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  • [21:18:06] <_vicash_> no. just trying to see if i can store an RSA certificate in the EEPROM or a SHA sum if there is no space for an RSA cert. this can then be used later in special applications for certain security applications
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  • [21:18:57] <_vicash_> i am using u-boot from the mainline git repo and they have RSA implemented although only for the Chromebook. i might try to make it work for the BBB and if i succeed in doing all this then great.. i might send a patch forward.
  • [21:19:23] <Vaizki> so that u-boot will only boot signed kernels?
  • [21:19:52] <_vicash_> the key is that the certificate be in the EEPROM so that one cannot modify it unless they really want to. this can be used for custom embedded devices that use sensors and want to transmit data encrypted.
  • [21:20:11] <_vicash_> Vaizki: sure yes that as well. to boot signed kernels.
  • [21:20:41] <spikebike> I'm all for a signed bootloader and kernel, as long as I control the keys
  • [21:20:44] <_vicash_> if RSA doesnt work then a simple SHA sum check will suffice and i can store the SHA-sums in the EEPROM to verify with.
  • [21:20:50] <spikebike> Signed binaries would be even better
  • [21:21:16] <_vicash_> spikebike: wel this is just a project for a custom application. not for something mass market.
  • [21:21:19] <spikebike> _vicash_: well sha sum needs updated once per kernel and makes it easy to brick
  • [21:21:30] <Vaizki> _vicash_: but someone can replace the u-boot as well and boot an unsigned kernel that way
  • [21:21:30] <spikebike> RSA allows easy kernel updates without changing anything
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  • [21:21:55] <_vicash_> spikebike: yes that is true.
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  • [21:22:53] <_vicash_> Vaizki: yes that is true if the hardware is opened and available. if BBB is embedded in a larger piece of hardware which has a warranty then if the user wants to change the keys or change the bootloader they lose hteir warranty. if they want to play with their own custom stuff that's fine by us
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  • [21:23:44] <_vicash_> we are using open hardware for that reason. so that those who are curious can do what they want but we wont support their warranty. but they have the freedom to do so and dont need to reverse engineer anything
  • [21:24:28] <_vicash_> this allows us to satisfy the hackers as well as our customers and corporate management.
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  • [21:25:51] <spikebike> _vicash_: ya, sensible. Use our bit-identical image/env with support or have at it... with no support
  • [21:25:52] <Vaizki> ok.. I don't quite get why you want the RSA/SHA stuff on the eeprom if people can replace u-boot or the kernel easily..
  • [21:26:25] <spikebike> Vaizki: well the general idea if you have firmware check the bootloader signature, then the bootloader checks the kernel signature.
  • [21:26:47] <spikebike> although that's kinda silly if you don't require signed modules since there's no limit to what a module can replace
  • [21:26:50] <_vicash_> Vaizki: they cannot replace it without breaking the warranty. and right now this is still R&D .. we could add or remove features based on the RSA key.
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  • [21:27:06] <Vaizki> sure but the soc firmware can't be changed on BBB, but the MLO and uboot are on the FAT16 partition so very easy to change
  • [21:27:14] <_vicash_> so yea it is still all up in the air. the question is really : can it be done.
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  • [21:27:33] <_vicash_> Vaizki: that's fine by us. most of our customers will not want to change it
  • [21:28:11] <_vicash_> those who want to change it we can cancel their support. that way they can own their own device however they want. we dont care. once support is cancelled the device will not communicate with our systems anyway
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  • [21:28:14] <Vaizki> so you are basically putting a piece of string on the door instead of lock so you can say, warranty void if string removed? :)
  • [21:28:18] <udai> Hello there !
  • [21:28:45] <udai> I just got a BBB and i have noticed the perf tool is so different
  • [21:29:03] <udai> anybody have a link for me to install the perf tool on my BBB
  • [21:29:17] <Vaizki> not a bbb-related question
  • [21:29:39] <_vicash_> Vaizki: yes. just like how Microsoft does with theri UEFI implementation. and sure MLO can change but if u want to change it then u r free to do so. it doesnt affect us. u have already paid for the device.
  • [21:29:51] <Vaizki> ok
  • [21:30:14] <_vicash_> so unlike the phone companies and such we respect hte hackers and give them the freedom to fuck with their device. they paid for it so they can do what they want.
  • [21:30:42] <spikebike> centos added signed modules
  • [21:30:52] <spikebike> er RHEL
  • [21:30:57] <RypRap> yes, and they dont need to buy bbb from you neither
  • [21:31:10] <spikebike> soley so they can tell if you have unsupported modules when you call support
  • [21:31:20] <_vicash_> spikebike: i have to look into how Angstrom can do that.
  • [21:31:24] <Vaizki> if you use their kernel
  • [21:31:38] <spikebike> _vicash_: it's pretty simple/direct
  • [21:31:55] <spikebike> cat /proc/whatever has a flag to show if the kernel + modules are signed or not
  • [21:32:36] <Vaizki> and if you compile your own kernel you can fake that ;)
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  • [21:33:00] <_vicash_> RypRap: we are not selling BBBs. we are using BBBs to build a custom device that does something and it is a part of the device. if someone is really inclined to change MLO on that, fine by us. the number of folks who do that maybe ten or so. we dont even plan to sell more than 1000 such devices.
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  • [21:33:29] <_vicash_> spikebike: interesting. i will look into it.
  • [21:33:35] <spikebike> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7130
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  • [21:34:36] <_vicash_> spikebike: thanks.
  • [21:35:14] <Vaizki> I guess your goal is to have people use your whole software load or none of it
  • [21:35:27] <spikebike> heh, no
  • [21:35:42] <Vaizki> I mean _vicash_, not RHEL
  • [21:35:44] <spikebike> Sounds like they don't want to support folks tweaking it.
  • [21:36:04] <spikebike> don't replace the kernel and then spend hours on the phone with me trying to track why obscure things don't owkr
  • [21:36:22] <_vicash_> Vaizki: yes we are planning to do a software + hardware combination sale. right now the device isnt even ready. we are still experimenting. so what we do as policy with tweaking is something not in my domain. that is all management stuff
  • [21:37:37] <_vicash_> spikebike: yes. exactly. we dont want to support folks who replace the kernel. if too many folks want to do it then we can come up with guidelines but until then we are not putting the cart before the horse
  • [21:37:59] <spikebike> sensible
  • [21:38:04] <spikebike> I wish phone makers did the same
  • [21:38:23] <_vicash_> spikebike: i wish phonemakers made phones which did not drop calls
  • [21:38:37] <Vaizki> heh.. phones.. 0.1% of users want to hack their phone.
  • [21:38:44] <Vaizki> who cares about 0.1%
  • [21:38:46] <spikebike> Sure the default is 3d animated facebook photos flying in formation around my screen... just let me opt out to default android. I don't mind losing support.
  • [21:39:14] <spikebike> Heh, I don't want to "hack" I just don't want tons of crapware clogging up my phone
  • [21:39:21] <_vicash_> agreed
  • [21:39:41] <spikebike> I don't want to know when a NFL game is available for streaming, or then Nth nag about joining some random photo service.
  • [21:39:46] <_vicash_> that's the one thing good about the Blackberry. even though it is only an official phone for me they dont have useless apps on it..
  • [21:40:01] <Vaizki> well that crapware is a big part of driving down the price of the phone
  • [21:40:13] <Vaizki> I know, been in the business....
  • [21:40:21] <_vicash_> anyway. i think i am digressing from the point at hand which was to write to the EEPROM which all of you have helped me with.
  • [21:40:42] <spikebike> Vaizki: I'll happily pay for not having ads
  • [21:40:48] <_vicash_> so thank you for all your pointers.
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  • [21:41:08] <Vaizki> spikebike: yea me too. but we are statistical anomalies I'd say.
  • [21:41:32] * spikebike pats his nexus-4
  • [21:41:38] <Vaizki> http://blog.flurry.com/bid/99013/The-History-of-App-Pricing-And-Why-Most-Apps-Are-Free
  • [21:42:35] <spikebike> I was amused that angry birds on android made more $$ with ads than angry birds on IOS did as a paid app
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  • [21:44:12] <kblin> because selling the sizzle is easier than selling the sausage?
  • [21:44:48] <Vaizki> yea it was a bit surprising.. but they didn't have a choice really, when they launched on android most of the world couldn't really PAY for android apps very easily
  • [21:45:00] <Vaizki> get free ones, yes sure
  • [21:45:38] <kblin> sure, similar situation here
  • [21:46:04] <kblin> google sure as hell is not getting my credit card data.
  • [21:46:28] <Vaizki> maybe they'll ask the NSA for it if they need it
  • [21:46:59] <_vicash_> kblin: if u have ever used Google Checkout they have your credit card info
  • [21:47:09] <kblin> _vicash_: I haven't
  • [21:47:34] <_vicash_> in any case with all the receipts being emailed back to gmail they at least have your last 4 digits and maybe even the expiration dates.
  • [21:48:12] <_vicash_> kblin: but it is possible that all those javascript APIs that shopping carts load some might be sending identifying info to google via the API. i dont know just speculating
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  • [21:49:05] <_vicash_> kblin: if your bank sends out your credit card statements to you email then google might be scanning those PDFs. they are unscrupulous that way
  • [21:49:06] <kblin> what counts is plausible deniability.
  • [21:49:20] <kblin> and no, my bank doesn't do emails
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  • [21:49:48] <_vicash_> that's good.
  • [21:51:48] <spikebike> ah, better article on signed modules
  • [21:51:51] <spikebike> https://lkml.org/lkml/2007/2/14/169
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  • [21:52:41] <FIUstudent> Hello everyone! I am new to BeagleBone and need some quick help with FLASHING my board
  • [21:53:01] <_vicash_> spikebike: nice. that's worth bookmarking
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  • [21:54:30] <FIUstudent> I am currently flashing my BeagleBone Black with the newest image downloaded from the official website through the micro-SD card. But it has been over 45 minutes and the LEDs have not stayed ON (signaling that the flashing has ended).
  • [21:55:20] <Vaizki> so it's been 47 minutes already?
  • [21:56:35] <FIUstudent> yes. definitely
  • [21:57:12] <Vaizki> well I don't know how long it takes but it may depend on your sd card as well
  • [21:57:30] <FIUstudent> Could it take MORE than one hour?
  • [21:57:38] <FIUstudent> BTW, thanks for answering
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  • [21:59:23] <ds2> yes
  • [21:59:47] <ds2> give it about 2hrs to be safe... the uSD card you are using could be painfully slow
  • [22:00:28] <Vaizki> they really should make the flasher image do some sensible output with the leds..
  • [22:00:54] <Vaizki> like an initial signal verifying that it's booted ok and starting flashing
  • [22:01:13] <_vicash_> Vaizki: one can use the UART cable and see it happening
  • [22:01:45] <_vicash_> or you can connect an ethernet cable to it as well. then you can ssh into the system and watch the emmc.sh script flash the eMMC using the "ps" command.
  • [22:01:49] <ds2> instead of they, why don't you submit patches to implement it. the source is available!
  • [22:01:52] <Vaizki> well my empirical research shows that maybe 2.4% of people coming to this channel have a usb ttl serial cable
  • [22:02:15] <Vaizki> ds2, because I have never used ??ngstr??m and never will :)
  • [22:02:31] <Vaizki> never say never but I'm not inclined to start using it currently
  • [22:02:35] <_vicash_> ethernet works. when the flashing is happening the system boots normal into the Angstrom distro and then runs an emmc.sh script to flash. in the meantime you can do whateveer u wnat such as log in adn see
  • [22:03:12] <Vaizki> right.. but they could periodically USR1 signal dd and read the stats, then change the blink rate of the led
  • [22:03:39] * _vicash_ thinks that sounds like parsing morse code
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  • [22:04:06] <Vaizki> well my camera battery charger works like that, flashes more when it's fuller
  • [22:04:36] <Vaizki> the less "dark" there is, the fuller the battery
  • [22:04:55] <Vaizki> of course it only has 5 steps
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  • [22:06:01] <Vaizki> and now.. this may be a completely idiotic ??ngstr??m noob question but why do you even have to reflash your bbb?
  • [22:06:13] <Vaizki> can't you just update the whole distro from the net?
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  • [22:18:03] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] RobertCNelson pushed 1 new commit to 3.12: http://git.io/_cvlDw
  • [22:18:04] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.12 84ef502 Robert Nelson: 3.12: update to v3.12-rc1...
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  • [22:18:30] <nomel> hey hoes!
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  • [22:19:35] <FIUstudent> @Vaizki I need to flash it for a class im taking; they require the newest image
  • [22:20:59] <nomel> hey, leds-pwm: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.commits.head/369873
  • [22:21:04] <nomel> nice.
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  • [22:24:16] <nomel> why aren't the pru pins ever in the expansion header table in the srm? why no pru love?
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  • [22:38:50] <SpeedEvil> I thought there were no dedicated Pru pins
  • [22:39:49] <FIUstudent> I have another question, How can I SSH through the ethernet port?
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  • [22:43:56] <emocakes> FIUstudent
  • [22:44:02] <emocakes> you get the ip
  • [22:44:04] <emocakes> and then you type
  • [22:44:10] <emocakes> ssh user@ip..
  • [22:45:13] <FIUstudent> from where?
  • [22:45:57] <TehCaptain> try ifconfig from a root prompt.. using serial if you have to.. ssh to that address
  • [22:46:16] <_vicash_> or use a uSB cable to the BBB and ssh root@192.168.7.2
  • [22:46:58] <FIUstudent> I got the IP address using ipconfign (on Windows, sorry) but when I use PuTTY to SSH into it i get an error.
  • [22:47:21] <FIUstudent> ...and by the way, I am using an ethernet cable to connect,
  • [22:47:24] <_vicash_> Vaizki: I am not an EE, so this might be a dumb question. How does one ground the TP4 test point. Can i connect it to the TP8 test point which says "System Ground" using a jumper wire ?
  • [22:47:32] <FIUstudent> the error i get is Connection Refused
  • [22:47:36] <emocakes> umm
  • [22:47:40] <emocakes> maybe you got the wrong ip
  • [22:47:49] <emocakes> ipconfig on windows would give you the windows ip address
  • [22:47:54] <TehCaptain> windows is not going to know what IP address the rest of your BB has. do you have it connected to a switch or anything? or just BB to your PC?
  • [22:47:54] <emocakes> get the ip from your router
  • [22:47:59] <emocakes> or just play around
  • [22:48:06] <emocakes> incrementally
  • [22:48:07] <TehCaptain> what you are doing is attempting to SSH into your windows machine
  • [22:48:15] <emocakes> ping ip's
  • [22:48:22] <TehCaptain> nmap works really well too
  • [22:48:41] <FIUstudent> Ok, I understand the issue with the iP address. I have it connected directly from BB to computer's ethernet
  • [22:48:52] <emocakes> :/
  • [22:49:11] <emocakes> find a dhcp thingy and connect it there
  • [22:49:28] <TehCaptain> if you have serial connected, you can set the address that way
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  • [22:50:39] <FIUstudent> emocakes , what do you mean by a dhcp thingy?
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  • [22:51:49] <TehCaptain> you need to run a dhcp server on your windows box
  • [22:52:33] <_vicash_> FIUstudent: u can just use the USB cable that came with the BBB and ssh using the root@192.168.7.2 ip address. it uses USBnet and u shud be able to do it easily
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  • [22:55:14] <TehCaptain> guess he either got it to work or bluescreened his windows box lol
  • [22:55:35] <emocakes> lol
  • [22:55:36] <nomel> FIUstudent: the beaglebone gets the ip from ethernet using the dns. the ethernet-over-usb uses a static ip of 192.168.7.2.
  • [22:55:44] <emocakes> dont diss windows TehCaptain
  • [22:55:47] <emocakes> OS: Windows 8 Server Datacenter (full installation) (Version 6.2 Build 9200), CPU: 12 x Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2630 0 @ 2.30GHz @ 2294 MHz 1536 KB Cache, MEM: 73693 MB, 90% (66240 MB) free, DISKS: total 19.0 Tb, 17.2 Tb free, GFX: NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX/9800 GTX+ 512 MB, SCREEN: Generic PnP Monitor, 1900 x 1140 @ 32 bit, AUDIO: Sound Blaster Z, UPTIME: 0 d, 21 h, 32 m
  • [22:55:48] <emocakes> :p
  • [22:56:04] <nomel> emocakes: lol. 21 hours! WOW.
  • [22:56:08] <emocakes> although it does suck for any dev work :p
  • [22:56:12] <nomel> why's that?
  • [22:56:25] <emocakes> i dunno, im more of a *nix person
  • [22:56:37] <emocakes> need some different software, just compile it
  • [22:56:42] <nomel> so. vm it. it'll still run crazy fast.
  • [22:56:51] <nomel> virtualbox, set it to all 12 cpus.
  • [22:56:55] <emocakes> :/
  • [22:57:02] <emocakes> im avoiding virtualbox
  • [22:57:05] <nomel> why?
  • [22:57:06] <TehCaptain> that is a nice machine.. would still run debian on it though
  • [22:57:07] <emocakes> i have vm's though
  • [22:57:16] <emocakes> virtualbox is shitty
  • [22:57:19] <nomel> the performance difference will be unnoticably different.
  • [22:57:20] <emocakes> compared to hyper-v
  • [22:57:22] <emocakes> or vmware
  • [22:57:23] <emocakes> :p
  • [22:57:34] <emocakes> i have os x running in a vm
  • [22:57:36] <nomel> pfft.. whatever. any vm will be absolutely acceptable.
  • [22:57:41] <emocakes> i know
  • [22:57:46] <emocakes> with 72gb of ram
  • [22:57:48] <nomel> 12x. daaang.
  • [22:57:49] <nomel> seriously.
  • [22:57:50] <nomel> lol
  • [22:57:53] <nomel> ramdisk that biaaatch
  • [22:58:17] <emocakes> im on a mac at the moment, remote desktopping into the computer, its at my table and im too lazy to get up
  • [22:58:25] <TehCaptain> makes me want to upgrade my phenom 1090t...
  • [22:58:32] <emocakes> TehCaptain, its an amd
  • [22:58:37] <emocakes> what are you doing in the first place?
  • [22:58:55] <emocakes> best part about the computer is i can fit another cpu in it :D
  • [22:59:02] <emocakes> two sockets, holds up to 768gb of ram
  • [22:59:31] <nomel> you could compile the whole world with -O3 -flto! :O
  • [23:00:32] <emocakes> i would install gentoo over and over
  • [23:00:34] <emocakes> just for fun
  • [23:00:37] <TehCaptain> hahaha
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  • [23:07:15] <TehCaptain> ruh-ro
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  • [23:09:32] <emocakes> so now i need a use for my bbb
  • [23:09:39] <emocakes> it has just been sitting there for a few months
  • [23:09:41] <emocakes> :(
  • [23:09:47] <emeb> paperweight?
  • [23:09:51] <emeb> doorstop?
  • [23:09:54] <TehCaptain> NTP
  • [23:09:57] <emeb> art?
  • [23:11:23] <N2TOH> cat toy?
  • [23:11:34] <TehCaptain> urinal cake ;p
  • [23:12:08] <emocakes> paperweight
  • [23:12:13] <emocakes> i wanted to get erlang running on it
  • [23:12:22] <emocakes> but havent really had much of a chance to sit down with it
  • [23:12:35] <N2TOH> 2 in 1, just plug it in it should attract house pets that will want to sleep on it.
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  • [23:17:01] <nomel> why would a house pet want to sleep on a urinal cake?
  • [23:17:16] <emocakes> hy not
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  • [23:19:14] <SpeedEvil> smell
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  • [23:20:32] <rocky|beagle> I've been pouring over the TRM for the beagle bone black's processor for a while now trying to understand how to set up and read the analog inputs with the PRU. I do have previous experience with configuring microcontrollers, I just need to be pointed in the right direction.
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  • [23:21:29] <mrpacket_> rocky|beagle: the PRU is blackmagic
  • [23:21:56] <rocky|beagle> Yeah, I've figured out that much. But even magic has some rules to it, right?
  • [23:22:08] <mrpacket_> you'll need a old TRM
  • [23:22:19] <mrpacket_> because the new TRM has the PRU seciton removed
  • [23:22:25] <mrpacket_> thanks TI!
  • [23:22:26] <mru> spru73c
  • [23:22:38] <rocky|beagle> Really now? That's annoying *look of disapproval*
  • [23:22:41] <mru> spruh73c
  • [23:23:02] <rocky|beagle> is that the document's id?
  • [23:23:03] <mru> ^^ just google that
  • [23:23:07] <rocky|beagle> thanks
  • [23:24:22] <mrpacket_> thanks troll mru, i was just looking for that
  • [23:24:38] <nomel> rocky|beagle: you get the pru working?
  • [23:24:57] <mrpacket_> rocky|beagle: the trolls in #beagle are freindly most of the time, if you dont' ask dumb questions
  • [23:25:13] <rocky|beagle> yeah I did
  • [23:25:45] <rocky|beagle> I had to modify the device tree to enable the pru
  • [23:25:52] <rocky|beagle> 19:23 < mru> spruh73c
  • [23:25:52] <rocky|beagle> 19:23 < rocky|beagle> is that the document's id?
  • [23:25:52] <rocky|beagle> 19:23 < mru> ^^ just google that
  • [23:25:52] <rocky|beagle> 19:23 < rocky|beagle> thanks
  • [23:25:52] <rocky|beagle> 19:24 < mrpacket_> thanks troll mru, i was just looking for that
  • [23:25:55] <rocky|beagle> 19:25 < nomel> rocky|beagle: you get the pru working?
  • [23:25:57] <rocky|beagle> 19:25 < mrpacket_> rocky|beagle: the trolls in #beagle are freindly most of the time, if you dont' ask dumb questions
  • [23:26:00] <rocky|beagle> 19:25 < rocky|beagle> yeah I did
  • [23:26:03] <rocky|beagle> 19:26 < rocky|beagle> I had to modify the device tree to enable the pru
  • [23:26:08] <mru> eh what?
  • [23:26:15] <mrpacket_> why you cut and past
  • [23:26:25] <rocky|beagle> Sorry, I'm using putty, and highlighting and right clicking (annoyingly easy to do) does that
  • [23:27:20] <rocky|beagle> changing my settings, won't happen again.
  • [23:27:25] <nomel> rocky|beagle: you don't have to modify device tree, you can use an overlay.
  • [23:27:55] <nomel> although, i suppose that fits with "modify the device tree"
  • [23:27:59] <rocky|beagle> My prof covered that today. I didn't know about it a couple days ago when I did the device tree method.
  • [23:28:07] <nomel> oh, you're learning this in school?
  • [23:28:18] <rocky|beagle> yeah, ECE497
  • [23:28:21] <nomel> what do you plan on doing with the pru?
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  • [23:29:01] <rocky|beagle> My senior design team is considering using it to handle the flight control of a quadcopter
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  • [23:29:23] <nomel> why not the main cpu?
  • [23:29:39] <rocky|beagle> I want to ensure everything is real time.
  • [23:30:20] <nomel> you mean with deterministic timing ;)
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  • [23:30:33] <rocky|beagle> It's a safety thing. If the kernel were to hang or too much cpu time is going to other processes, I want the copter to remain stable.
  • [23:30:47] <nomel> that's pretty cool.
  • [23:31:12] <nomel> there are a few debuggers in the works, last i checked.
  • [23:31:19] <rocky|beagle> that'd be very nice :)
  • [23:31:21] <nomel> (although, they seemed pretty lame)
  • [23:31:38] <nomel> one is being used by a beaglebone opencnc project
  • [23:31:47] <nomel> and i saw a few started on github. not sure they went anywhere.
  • [23:32:18] <rocky|beagle> My plans right now are to port some other flight control software for the msp430 to the PRU. Or at least the algorithms.
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  • [23:33:09] <nomel> the macros can take parameters, and have default arguments
  • [23:33:17] <nomel> so you can make the pru asm pretty clean looking
  • [23:33:57] <rocky|beagle> Yeah, I did see some high level stuff (for assembly) in the wikis and whatnot.
  • [23:34:15] <nomel> asm is all you get
  • [23:34:20] <rocky|beagle> I know.
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  • [23:38:45] <ds2> isn't the PRU supplement checked into the github page with the assembler?
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  • [23:45:57] <nomel> yeah, it is.
  • [23:46:21] <nomel> with all of it's errors and contradicting statements! :D
  • [23:46:45] <ds2> there are errors in the truth
  • [23:46:46] <nomel> and signal names that are used in single sentences, and never again.
  • [23:47:44] <rocky|beagle> oh I love that about the latest TRM. An introduction sentence for the PRU is all it gets, not even a mention of where to look for more docs.
  • [23:47:56] <nomel> it's technically unsupported by ti.
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  • [23:50:18] <EvilSeed> When beaglebone black was received I was able to ssh over USB, now I am unable to updating to the latest black firmware. Is that normal?
  • [23:50:40] <EvilSeed> Note, I am booting from sdcard
  • [23:51:26] <nomel> EvilSeed: did you read the instructions on how to update?
  • [23:51:45] <EvilSeed> yes, I see it booted and see the USB drive when connected
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  • [23:52:07] <EvilSeed> download the compressed file, extracted with 7zip and used the disk image software to put it on SDCARD
  • [23:52:09] <nomel> if you're booting from the sd card, you'll need the sd card image, and you'll have to modify the uEnv.txt to disable the emmc boot.
  • [23:52:20] <nomel> booting from the sd card is not usual.
  • [23:52:26] <EvilSeed> Ahhhhh
  • [23:52:30] <nomel> updating from the sd card is.
  • [23:52:34] <nomel> which is described in the instructions.
  • [23:52:47] <EvilSeed> Forgive me for being a clod there. Thank you for your input.
  • [23:52:53] <EvilSeed> Appreciate it very much
  • [23:52:54] <nomel> :P
  • [23:54:08] <rocky|beagle> I don't think booting off of the sd card is all that unusual. We're doing kernel development as part of our class, and he's suggested that we have many sdcards with angstrom loaded to decrease downtime if we make the system unbootable.
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  • [23:59:25] <nomel> unusual in the majority sense. :P
  • [23:59:36] <rocky|beagle> sure sure
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  • [23:59:54] <nomel> i boot from sd for that reason.