• [00:01:08] <pkh> from what I can see, it samples 'continuously' which means to be 'as fast as the hardware allows' -- or am I missing something obvious where the rate can be specified.
  • [00:01:09] <pkh> ?
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  • [00:05:25] <nomel> no, generic_buffer has a time delay you can specify.
  • [00:05:26] <nomel> (looks ilke)
  • [00:05:32] <nomel> http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.39/drivers/staging/iio/Documentation/generic_buffer.c
  • [00:06:25] <nomel> err...looks like you'd have to write something.
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  • [00:07:20] <pkh> awesome -- a starting point that has promise!
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  • [00:07:40] <nomel_> http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.39/drivers/staging/iio/Documentation/generic_buffer.c
  • [00:07:50] <nomel_> (not sure if other messages got through)
  • [00:08:15] <nomel_> looks like you'll have to write something based on this. they do a time delay with a usleep, so you'll still have your userspace jitter problem, but you'll have the timestamp, and you could set the process priority to highest.
  • [00:08:19] <pkh> yes, appropriate line seems to be:
  • [00:08:19] <pkh> unsigned long timedelay = 1000000;
  • [00:09:19] <pkh> yeah, and I'm going to be processing the data in octave, so resampling is a breeze
  • [00:09:44] <pkh> just resample using the timestamps before fft'ing
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  • [00:16:29] <pkh> nomel_: appreciate the help -- this will save me hours of frustration.
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  • [00:28:23] <jhonz17> Hello everyone!
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  • [00:35:44] <jhonz17> I very noob, I have some questions about BBB. But I don't know which is the right place for this. (sorry for my spelling but I don't speak English)
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  • [00:38:35] <thurgood> it's the right place.... ask
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  • [01:01:02] <bradfa_> ahhhh!
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  • [01:06:31] <core_> Question for everyone: when I plug in the beaglebone to my mac via USB, it doesn't mount as a drive and the user LEDs don't blink. Is my board hosed?
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  • [02:34:57] <dashed> does anyone know why the beagleboard black is cheaper than the beagleboard?
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  • [02:36:22] <dashed> does anyone know why the beagleboard black is cheaper than the beagleboard?
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  • [02:59:22] <b0jangles> hi, I'm attempting to figure out how to get a USB Bluetooth dongle to work with my BeagleBone Black.
  • [02:59:32] <b0jangles> I've tried a few to no avail
  • [03:00:46] <b0jangles> I have tried the procedure documented here: http://www.michaelhleonard.com/enable-bluetooth-on-beaglebone-black/
  • [03:01:42] <b0jangles> However, when I plug the dongle in, it doesn't even light up. Nor does it show up when I "lsusb"
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  • [03:02:33] <b0jangles> The BBB is being powered by a 2.5A 5V adapter, so power should not be an issue
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  • [03:10:24] <m_billybob> so confirmed sd performance fix on the gorups awesome find
  • [03:10:36] <m_billybob> over tripled my sd card read / write speeds
  • [03:12:49] <maxinux> nice
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  • [03:15:45] <m_billybob> err sorry only reads i have not confirmed any write differences yet
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  • [03:23:19] <thangng> could any one provide me a link to a image for beaglebone which supports Camera cape? I tested the latest image (06-20-1013), the OS recognize the camera cape as "video0", but when I capture images, I always got an error: "Inappropriate ioctl for device"
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  • [05:05:44] <GryphMD> hello?
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  • [05:07:54] <GryphMD> I'm very rusty on my linux??? I'm trying to create a ubuntu boot SD Card for my beaglebone black and the image I create is coming out as 2Gb.. Is there any good tutorial that will help me expand the partition to use the full 16Gb card that I have?
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  • [05:11:04] <prpplague> GryphMD: you would have to ask the ubuntu folks as the official supported distro for black is angstrom
  • [05:11:09] <prpplague> at least for now
  • [05:11:40] <GryphMD> angstrom doesn't seem to have drivers for the USB hardware I am running...
  • [05:11:42] <GryphMD> :(
  • [05:12:23] <pkh> I'd like to sample multiple inputs from a piezo at about 2kHz that is attached to a vibrating machine -- is there an obvious method for this, analog pins would require protection, probably op-amp, and shifting the zero-point, is an ADC an option, if so, what's the easiest transport?
  • [05:13:19] <pkh> wondering whether the simplest is usb-audio with a hub to give multiple imputs?
  • [05:14:23] <GryphMD> Thanks for the guidance prpplague.
  • [05:15:19] <GryphMD> anyone on here successfully run bfgminer with multiple asic based bitcoin miners on a beaglebone black?
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  • [05:19:19] <prpplague> ha
  • [05:21:08] <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: the black must flow!
  • [05:21:19] <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: package picked up?
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  • [06:16:17] <tekgiant_> is it normal for there to be so many /dev/mmc partitions?
  • [06:16:22] <tekgiant_> 6 of them I think..
  • [06:20:26] <_av500_> they come for free
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  • [07:37:12] <KotH> a wonderfully, rainy JIHAD everyone.
  • [07:37:28] <KotH> i hope you didnt overdo the 9/11 celebrations
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  • [07:38:12] <panto> <drone missile incoming>
  • [07:44:20] <ynezz> ah, completly missed 9/11 :p canceling greader was an amazing idea
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  • [07:47:50] <qt-x> hello
  • [07:48:28] <qt-x> is it possible to use hdmi and lcd cape at the same time on bbb ?
  • [07:49:11] <suleyman_> hello
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  • [08:01:50] <Anguel> Hi! When I try MACHINE=beaglebone ./oebb.sh config beaglebone the script hangs when trying to clone meta-smartphone :(
  • [08:02:18] <KotH> koen: your customer ^^^^
  • [08:03:08] <Anguel> sorry :(
  • [08:06:22] <koen> ask the meta-smartphone people what is up with their git server
  • [08:06:31] <koen> contrary to popular belief, I don't control the internet
  • [08:07:30] <Anguel> ok, sorry again, just wanted a confirmation that it may be some server problem
  • [08:08:14] <LetoThe2nd> mru: thats one for 26+26
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  • [08:09:38] <KotH> koen: you dont?!?
  • [08:09:50] <koen> nope
  • [08:09:53] <KotH> koen: you disapoint me!
  • [08:09:59] <KotH> i expected more of you
  • [08:10:08] <koen> we're not on the golden path yet
  • [08:10:27] <koen> so LetoThe2nd controls our destiny as well as the internet
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  • [08:10:54] <LetoThe2nd> :)
  • [08:11:04] <LetoThe2nd> all hail me. and bring beer.
  • [08:11:05] <koen> *lightbulb*
  • [08:11:13] * koen loads dune on his kindle for the trip
  • [08:13:00] <Anguel> btw, if I want to change some kernel files (dts) and rebuild the kernel, is it better to use these instructions http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom or these instructions or these https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8 ?
  • [08:13:49] <Anguel> ooops, was a "or these instructions" too much :)
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  • [08:14:39] <koen> depends on your skill level
  • [08:14:49] <koen> the first does everything for you
  • [08:15:18] <koen> the second leaves some room in between the instructions
  • [08:19:24] <Anguel> do I need to install a cross-toolchain for the first or is it handled by the scripts?
  • [08:19:37] <koen> it is handled by the scripts
  • [08:19:49] <Anguel> wow :)
  • [08:20:26] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: beer? i dont support alcoholism. but i can bring you chocolate. that's way more healthy too :-)
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  • [08:22:33] <Anguel> I guess I will get a chance to modify the kernel files after the " ./oebb.sh update " step i.e. before the bitbake step?
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  • [08:45:08] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: hm.
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  • [08:53:09] <koen> Anguel: go to http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ and search the frontpage for "kernel workflow"
  • [08:53:28] <koen> Anguel: the BBW (but strangely not the BBB) SRM also has instructions for that
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  • [08:54:51] <Anguel> koen: thank you very much!
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  • [09:06:33] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: dont tell me you dont want any chocolate
  • [09:09:03] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: i like chocolate, but $SO likes it more :)
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  • [09:09:32] <LetoThe2nd> particularly swiss chocolate, that is
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  • [09:10:29] <krikob> Hi, i've a problem booting my beagleboard
  • [09:10:44] <krikob> here is the output: Hit any key to stop autoboot: 0 mmc_send_cmd : timeout: No status update Card did not respond to voltage select! mmc1(part 0) is current device Card did not respond to voltage select! FAIL:Init of MMC card
  • [09:12:35] <krikob> i'm using rowboat android on mmc and i'm using the same procedure that i've used on beagleboard-xm and beagleboneblack
  • [09:12:48] <krikob> but on beaglebone white doesn't work, the mmc won't boot.
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  • [09:17:46] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: bring her with you
  • [09:17:59] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: i make sure i have enough chocolate with me to feed $SO's :)
  • [09:18:20] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: and now that ka6sox is not comming, that shouldnt be a problem ;-)
  • [09:20:02] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: hehe, will be alone this time. but if you can bring along a pack, will certainly pass it to her grateful hands.
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  • [09:24:11] <Anguel> koen: do you know if i can skip the meta-smartphone? is it used for BBB at all?
  • [09:24:37] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 2 new commits to 3.8: http://git.io/kcsK6g
  • [09:24:37] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 da6ea70 Koen Kooi: 3.8: add replicape support...
  • [09:24:37] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 9fdb452 Koen Kooi: 3.8: switch beaglebone mmc1 to 4-bit mode...
  • [09:25:23] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 2 new commits to 3.12: http://git.io/krH2Fw
  • [09:25:23] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.12 9390cff Koen Kooi: 3.12: update to latest mainline, switch mmc1 to 4-bit mode...
  • [09:25:23] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.12 f05e7b9 Koen Kooi: 3.12: make LED triggers behave like 3.8...
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  • [09:44:59] <hno> Having a bit of issue with Beaglebone Black ethernet. It comes up fine on boot, but if I then do an ifdown eht0; ifup eth0; then the NIC is dead. Only a reboot gets it back.
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  • [09:57:09] <KotH> sounds like a driver bug
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  • [10:03:16] <KotH> hno: what kernel do you use?
  • [10:05:23] <plundra> hno: Are you doing it over a ssh-connection to eth0?
  • [10:05:44] <plundra> Try doing it in screen or tmux.
  • [10:07:16] <hno> KotH, have tried both with the image that was on the beaglebone from factory (2012.12), and a freshly build one from 2013.06 angstrom branch. 3.8.13 something in both cases.
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  • [10:08:10] <koen> hno: is it attached to a "green" switch?
  • [10:08:28] <hno> plundra, I am doing it over serial console. It's defenitely a driver/hardware issue. Verified even with manual config using ip link down/up. ip addresses etc is fine, but after a link down/up it stops sending any packets.
  • [10:08:31] <koen> there's a bug in the cpsw driver that makes it not wake up for powersave mode
  • [10:08:39] <koen> the "green" switches trigger that bug
  • [10:08:51] <hno> tried with two different netgear switches. Not sure if they are "green".
  • [10:08:53] <koen> (among other things)
  • [10:09:08] <hno> GS108 and GS108T
  • [10:09:29] <hno> koen, where can I find more information on that bug?
  • [10:09:53] <koen> not sure if it's documented somewhere
  • [10:10:05] <koen> TI was supposed to send me a patch months ago for that
  • [10:10:10] <koen> but as usual, not patch
  • [10:10:22] <hno> Ok.
  • [10:10:30] <koen> make some noise on the beagle mailinglist
  • [10:10:47] <koen> hopefully gerald will bitchslap someone at TI and the patch will magically appear in my inbox
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  • [10:11:10] <hno> ok.
  • [10:12:12] <KotH> koen: you should collect the paths their daughters take to school and back
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  • [10:12:21] <KotH> koen: it would simplify such things greatly
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  • [10:23:54] <qt-x> qmake2: error while loading shared libraries: __vdso_time: invalid mode for dlopen(): Invalid argument
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  • [10:25:04] <qt-x> using angstrom-v2013.06-yocto1.4 meta-toolchain-qte MACHINE=beaglebone
  • [10:25:28] <qt-x> any idea what is wrong with the toolchain?
  • [10:26:07] <hno> koen, tried with an old Cisco switch now and same issue. Don't think that one is "green".
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  • [10:56:28] <koen> hno: ok, I still suspect it's teh same bug, though
  • [10:56:40] <koen> qt-x: stop using ubuntu
  • [10:58:55] <qt-x> koen what should I use ?
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  • [11:02:43] <dlg> openbsd, and get your hack on
  • [11:03:19] <koen> qt-x: anything but ubuntu, so debian, fedora, gentoo, arch, opensuse, mint
  • [11:03:21] <koen> wait
  • [11:03:28] <koen> mint is ubuntu based, right?
  • [11:03:33] <koen> if so , scratch that
  • [11:03:33] <qt-x> yea
  • [11:04:52] <qt-x> dose it happens to know what is the major problem in ubuntu ?
  • [11:07:51] <koen> yes, canonical
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  • [12:30:30] <_vicash_> Hello. I am using the UART 6-pin connector along with a logic analyzer to view any kind of print statements from MLO but I only see the data sent from the uImage. Does anyone know or has anyone tried to view output from the MLO and u-boot blocks ?
  • [12:31:32] <_vicash_> Or is there a way to force MLO to run in debug mode such as through the command line either in uEnv.txt or through recompiling of MLO and u-boot ?
  • [12:32:06] * LetoThe2nd thinks that there's just nothing that the MLO outputs, probably due to space restrictions
  • [12:32:29] <LetoThe2nd> but one could probably check that in the source.
  • [12:33:24] <LetoThe2nd> tinkering with MLO would at least certainly require recompilation, as it gets executed waaay earlier than uEnv gets loaded.
  • [12:33:24] * _vicash_ agrees with LetoThe2nd regarding size restrictions
  • [12:33:52] <_vicash_> ok
  • [12:34:07] <_vicash_> I was wondering if there was a way out of recompiling it
  • [12:34:20] <LetoThe2nd> i'm pretty sure that not.
  • [12:34:34] <_vicash_> as in any kind of runtime configurations.
  • [12:34:35] <_vicash_> ok
  • [12:35:16] <_vicash_> What other ways of debugging MLO do you recommend ? Do I really have to use TI's Code Composer to actually debug MLO or can I do it in qemu ?
  • [12:35:27] <LetoThe2nd> huh?
  • [12:35:50] <_vicash_> well suppose I want to make changes to MLO and stuff doesn't boot after that. how do I debug the MLO ?
  • [12:36:04] <_vicash_> that's my main question. I assumed the UART was giving outputs but that's only after Linux loads
  • [12:36:06] <LetoThe2nd> MLO can be built as part of u-boot, just have a look at that. check if you can add some kind of output.
  • [12:36:31] <_vicash_> yea i will try and see...
  • [12:36:51] <LetoThe2nd> why tinker with MLO anyways, in the end its just first stage bootstrapping loader.
  • [12:37:03] <LetoThe2nd> we have a working implementation, thats about all that counts.
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  • [12:37:16] <_vicash_> well.. for a side project i want to write to the EEPROM in the board
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  • [12:37:33] <LetoThe2nd> so what?
  • [12:37:37] <_vicash_> the EEPROM in a BBB is a 4KB EEPROM of which only 78 bytes are used by the MLO boot loader to load the header
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  • [12:38:10] <_vicash_> the rest is empty. i want to store a key on it...
  • [12:38:11] <LetoThe2nd> still, so what?
  • [12:38:20] <emocakes> how to do it vicash?
  • [12:38:21] <heff> Hi
  • [12:38:33] <_vicash_> and then modify MLO to boot only when the key matches its signature in the MLO
  • [12:38:38] <LetoThe2nd> u-boot has an spi to do all that.
  • [12:38:41] <_vicash_> some sort of signature checking
  • [12:38:43] <LetoThe2nd> s/spi/api/
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  • [12:39:47] <_vicash_> ok... i have to look to find the API.. i went through the MLO source code and it does read the EEPROM so I figured it can read more than what it reads and can modify it accordingly
  • [12:39:52] <emocakes> ty LetoThe2nd
  • [12:40:01] <emocakes> stored in the old memory banks
  • [12:40:05] <emocakes> for when i might need i
  • [12:40:06] <emocakes> t
  • [12:40:34] <heff> Anyone using bbb?
  • [12:40:46] <LetoThe2nd> heff: nah, just www and sometimes irc.
  • [12:40:59] <LetoThe2nd> but we do love tla :)
  • [12:41:21] <heff> Doh, Beaglebone Black...
  • [12:41:48] <LetoThe2nd> heff: well, just ask your real question.
  • [12:41:53] <_vicash_> LetoThe2nd: if you could point me to the file that has the API in the u-boot source that will be great because i couldnt find any API except for the commands for the Hush shell
  • [12:43:29] <heff> Ok Kwisatz Haderach, I was looking for an update on the SGX drivers, are we still waiting on TI?
  • [12:43:31] <Tartarus> _vicash_, make sure you look at mainline U-Boot
  • [12:43:45] <Tartarus> the crypto signature stuff came in, in v2013.07
  • [12:43:57] <_vicash_> Tartarus: ok. i was looking at v13.04 which is what the Angstrom build system uses
  • [12:44:27] <LetoThe2nd> heff: no idea bout sgx. but i'll let my father know you messed us up ;)
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  • [12:48:25] <_vicash_> emocakes: the files in board/ti/am335x/ have code demonstrating how to read from EEPROM on BBB
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  • [12:48:38] <_vicash_> emocakes: in the u-boot git source
  • [12:48:45] <emocakes> i'll check it out
  • [12:48:48] <emocakes> thanks :)
  • [12:48:52] <emocakes> time to zzz though
  • [12:48:54] <emocakes> night all
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  • [12:53:37] <heff> I'm getting grumpy about this SGX stuff, starting to feel like I've bought a lemon, again...
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  • [12:55:00] <keesj> Caipirinha FTW
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  • [13:34:56] <Johnny> Hi Everyone. I see instructions for how to update to the latest version of Angstrom in windows, but I don't see where the instructions are for linux users.
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  • [13:36:10] <koen> http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ has linux instructions
  • [13:36:16] <koen> but basically
  • [13:36:21] <koen> xzcat img.xz > /dev/sdX
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  • [13:43:40] <Crofton|work> koen, I'm wondering if the sdk issues we see are due to Angstrom pinning toolchain versions
  • [13:43:55] <Crofton|work> it would appear the oe-core default does not have the issue
  • [13:44:16] <koen> in the 1.3 release?
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  • [13:45:07] <koen> Crofton|work: people that care can compare the linaro gcc recipes to the oe-core ones
  • [13:45:20] <_vicash_> Can the UART 6-pin header be used for debugging the MLO/u-boot portions of the boot process ? Or is it activated only after the uImage is loaded ?
  • [13:45:31] <jantre> Keon: Thanks for the linux instructions link
  • [13:45:38] <Crofton|work> obviously, we care because it is impacting Angstrom users
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  • [14:01:42] <Anguel> when I do "MACHINE=beaglebone ./oebb.sh bitbake virtual/kernel" I get "ERROR: Fetcher failure: Unable to find file file://arm/0005-ARM-DTS-AM33XX-Add-PMU-support.patch anywhere."
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  • [14:03:21] <Anguel> Summary: 1 task failed: /home/anguel/Angstrom-Build/setup-scripts/sources/meta-beagleboard/common-bsp/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-mainline_3.8.bb, do_fetch
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  • [14:04:29] <koen> Anguel: there you go https://github.com/beagleboard/meta-beagleboard/commit/136a28e4d16a03ee9a5e51d6e378f1b80c618b28
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  • [14:04:39] * koen wonders how that escaped notice for so long
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  • [14:07:38] <Anguel> ok, how can I make the script use that?
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  • [14:14:27] <bbbusb> Hi, Can anyone explain me how can i do the following? https://groups.google.com/d/msg/beagleboard/nuyyVDhU6bw/CfoDppz35DUJ
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  • [14:21:30] <KotH> .o0(sie m?ssen nur den nippel durch die lasche ziehn....)
  • [14:22:12] <KotH> bbbusb: do wahat?
  • [14:22:16] <KotH> bbbusb: do what?
  • [14:22:29] <KotH> bbbusb: ground your board properly?
  • [14:22:59] <LetoThe2nd> fine ground or coarse ground?
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  • [14:26:48] <bbbusb> ground the board properly
  • [14:27:35] <KotH> get yourself a copy of "the circuit designer's companion" by Williams. it has a hole section about wiring and grounding
  • [14:27:51] <KotH> read that, understand it, and live happily ever after
  • [14:28:00] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: sounds awful if it has a hole where the section on grounding is suppose3d to be.
  • [14:28:02] <bbbusb> good answer
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  • [14:28:46] <KotH> LetoThe2nd: well, getting a proper copy without holes is the key here
  • [14:29:11] <LetoThe2nd> KotH: the key hole?
  • [14:29:47] <bbbusb> do you think the beagleboneblack has gounding problems?
  • [14:30:09] <bbbusb> why me and other people are gettings problem using usb devices?
  • [14:30:20] <KotH> bbbusb: no
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  • [14:30:28] <KotH> bbbusb: the board itself has no grounding problems
  • [14:30:43] <KotH> bbbusb: what you connect to it, on the other hand, is totally up to you
  • [14:30:57] <KotH> bbbusb: and if you dont do that right (or actually very wrong), then you run into grounding problems
  • [14:31:09] <bbbusb> i'm using the same usb device that i've usen the last year with beaglebone-xm
  • [14:31:31] <KotH> bbbusb: also, using cheap power supplies is a problem, because they are noisy, wobble around when power changes, etc pp
  • [14:31:57] <KotH> bbbusb: whether one board works better or the other is mostly a function of luck
  • [14:32:02] <bbbusb> i've only upgraded my hardware switching from beagleboard-xm to beagleboneblack
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  • [14:32:22] <KotH> bbbusb: some compoents have more headroom than others
  • [14:32:35] <KotH> ie they tollerate more abuse than others
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  • [14:59:18] <rneese> ok who made the arm debian img
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  • [15:00:20] <hno> Is there some Linux driver that can monitor the power button in beaglebone black?
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  • [15:03:27] <_av500_> is it not mapped to some input event?
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  • [15:06:34] <hno> _av500_, if it is then that's excellent.
  • [15:09:43] <hno> wonder how to tap into that event..
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  • [15:09:58] <Mouha> Hi everybody
  • [15:10:17] <LetoThe2nd> judging from the snippets in the SRM, the power button works directly on the logic in the PMIC
  • [15:11:04] <hno> LetoThe2nd, yes, and the PMIC can generate interrupt to the CPU. Question is how to get this event in a Linux application.
  • [15:11:13] <Mouha> Koen : I just have recreated a new VM : the new Angstrom is working ok now, no more Zlib issue
  • [15:11:57] <LetoThe2nd> hno: the question is more like: is the interrupt just generated, but you can't really do much about it then, or can you actually dealy/cancel it
  • [15:12:43] <Mouha> Besides, from a comment from here: http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2009/09/10/cross-compiling-qtx11/ I'd like to knw if with the BeagleBoard Black it's really better to bitbake qt4-embedded instead of qt4-x11 ?
  • [15:13:15] <Mouha> here the comment ", I would recommend (without hesitation) that you use Qt Embedded with DirectFB (The newer Qt, the better as DirectFB is being heavily worked on) for a single process media center-ish application. If the vendor provided a 2D accelerated X11 driver (or an X11 integrated OpenGL ES driver) I would tend to argue in favor of X11,"
  • [15:13:27] <hno> LetoThe2nd, unless you hold it for 8 seconds it's just an event handled by Linux somehow. The PMIC don't do anything.
  • [15:13:36] <koen> Mouha: qt-e is a massive pain in the ass
  • [15:13:42] <LetoThe2nd> hno: ah ok
  • [15:13:48] <koen> Mouha: you have to provide your own windowing server
  • [15:14:01] <Mouha> Koen : qwt I suppose ?
  • [15:14:12] <koen> qwt is a graphing/plotting toolkit
  • [15:14:31] <koen> there are no generic qws's available
  • [15:14:41] <koen> and the fullscreen option is hit and miss
  • [15:14:55] <Mouha> koen : qws not qwt yes
  • [15:15:11] <koen> qws is a bait and switch
  • [15:15:23] <koen> when you complain about it the qt guys will suggest a paid alternative
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  • [15:15:42] <Mouha> koen : ohhh great to know that !
  • [15:15:59] <Mouha> koen: so obviously qt4-x11 remains the best to build
  • [15:17:16] <koen> yeah
  • [15:17:35] <koen> both qt/e and qt/x will use software rendering
  • [15:17:39] <Mouha> Ok, so As soon my build is done I will test all of this and tell Anguel about the 4D-Cape
  • [15:17:49] <koen> with qt/x you get decent input device handling for free
  • [15:18:03] <Mouha> got it
  • [15:18:25] <Mouha> Fortunatelly I've started with -x11 :)
  • [15:18:26] <koen> and a proper qt app needs zero code changes to get built against qt/e or qt/x11
  • [15:18:51] <Mouha> as it is with mobiles/desktops
  • [15:18:58] <koen> if you're using OE, it's a matter of replacing 'inherit qt4x11' with 'inherit qt4e'
  • [15:19:02] <rneese> the debian wheeze arm img for bbb needs fixing
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  • [15:19:06] <rneese> grrr
  • [15:19:19] <Mouha> Koen: nope, I m using Angstrom of course ....
  • [15:19:27] <rneese> they did not set a generic fqdn in the /etc/hosts file
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  • [15:19:33] <koen> using OE to build angstrom :)
  • [15:20:02] <_vicash_> Hi, Does anyone know if the linux kernel uImage can be built in a FIT format ?
  • [15:20:28] <rneese> so if you try to install qmail it bombs
  • [15:20:31] <rneese> grrr
  • [15:20:48] <Mouha> Koen : ah ! ok, no I've followed all from : http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
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  • [15:24:34] <koen> Mouha: that's what I meant, you're good :)
  • [15:24:49] <Anguel> Mouha: you can test with ts_calibrate and then ts_test, no need for Qt
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  • [15:26:12] <Anguel> any idea if i can remove the LCD dts files just by deleting them from the kernel sources?
  • [15:26:43] <Anguel> i want to load them dynamically outside the kernel, from /lib/firmware if I am not mistaken
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  • [15:28:51] <_vicash_> How does one access the u-boot prompt ? I keep reading in the docs in the u-boot source code that some commands can be given at the prompt yet there is no way to access it on the BBB..
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  • [15:29:58] <LetoThe2nd> _vicash_: of course there is, the uart on the header
  • [15:30:43] <_vicash_> LetoThe2nd: i connected the UART to Hyperterminal on Windows 7 but got no response ..on the other hand I connected it to a logic analyzer and got the outputs to the screen.
  • [15:31:16] <LetoThe2nd> _vicash_: well so guess what is the culprit? ;)
  • [15:31:24] <_vicash_> LetoThe2nd: have you had any success with Hyperterminal or should I use putty or something like that ?
  • [15:31:49] <_vicash_> I was using a straight through serial cable , do i need a null modem cable instead ?
  • [15:32:19] <LetoThe2nd> _vicash_: did you connect it straight to your computers rs2323?
  • [15:32:26] <_vicash_> yes
  • [15:32:46] <LetoThe2nd> _vicash_: and yes, i'm often using it succesfully. i use an os though, not windows/hyperterminal.
  • [15:33:00] <LetoThe2nd> _vicash_: hope you haven't fired anything then, the uart is 3,3v only.
  • [15:33:17] <LetoThe2nd> _vicash_: manuals are there for reading, you know? *SCNR*
  • [15:33:46] <_vicash_> LetoThe2nd: i read the BBB_SRM manual but it did not say much except for what the correct pins to use were
  • [15:33:58] <LetoThe2nd> _vicash_: BBB_SRM 5.6 (pg.34)
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  • [15:34:18] <LetoThe2nd> _vicash_: it says "TTL"
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  • [15:34:31] <_vicash_> ok.
  • [15:34:39] <_vicash_> so i need to buy that then
  • [15:34:47] <LetoThe2nd> yep.
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  • [15:35:25] <_vicash_> thanks. that seems like an inevitable purchase now :(
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  • [15:35:31] <LetoThe2nd> and sacrifice something cool, like a bunch of old floppies or what ever and pray to $DEITY that your 15v out of the rs232 haven't fried the RX port.
  • [15:35:53] <rneese> well I got arm pkgs build and I have a basic start to a pbx on bbb
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  • [15:36:02] <rneese> this rocks
  • [15:36:11] <_vicash_> LetoThe2nd: yes i shall pray and maybe buy a second BBB as a backup
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  • [15:44:25] <C2H6O_> is the floating point calculation hard or soft on the beagle board?
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  • [16:30:44] <RypRap> check chip specs..
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  • [16:41:47] <_av500_> C2H6O_: hard
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  • [16:45:53] <beagle> Hi, Beaglepeople
  • [16:45:57] <hno> LetoThe2nd, TTL is NOT 3.3V.
  • [16:46:37] <beagle> How much analog input and analog output have the new beaglebone ?
  • [16:46:46] <LetoThe2nd> hno: thats right.
  • [16:46:54] <_av500_> beagle: that is documented
  • [16:47:08] <LetoThe2nd> hno: however, the "TTL" should at least ring the bell that its not standard rs232
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  • [16:47:54] <hno> yes.
  • [16:48:24] <beagle> Someone here who use a DOGXL160-104 Display with i2c ?
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  • [16:49:48] <beagle> _av500_: where please ...
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  • [17:04:39] <_av500_> the SRM for example
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  • [17:13:33] <hoytie> Hi all. I was wondering if anyone has had trouble with SSH for BeagleBone Black rev 0A5C
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  • [17:14:32] <_av500_> updated to the latest SW?
  • [17:14:36] <_av500_> please do that first
  • [17:14:53] <hoytie> I haven't, though wasn't sure it was necessary
  • [17:15:12] <mnt_real> did anyone ever successfully connect BDI3000 to BBB ?
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  • [17:55:28] <LetoThe2nd> hm whats the trick mentioned here in adding that gpio overlay? http://elinux.org/Bacon_Cape#Features
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  • [17:57:49] <LetoThe2nd> add them in /lib/firmware/BB-BONE-BACONE-00A0.dts ?
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  • [18:00:22] <_av500_> LetoThe2nd: google it dammit
  • [18:00:26] <_av500_> :)
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  • [18:00:45] <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: tried, but my goog-efu seems to be broken today
  • [18:03:19] <LetoThe2nd> the 7segment is always on and blinding me :(
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  • [18:05:06] <LetoThe2nd> ah, manually setting gpio48 out seems to do the trick.
  • [18:05:16] <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: i need to post some updated info
  • [18:05:26] <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: i'll try to get it posted this afternoon
  • [18:05:44] <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: no worries. just tinkering :) and as you might have guessed, things have arrived
  • [18:05:49] <LetoThe2nd> yay \o/
  • [18:05:52] <prpplague> indeed
  • [18:05:57] <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: no issues with customs?
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  • [18:07:13] <LetoThe2nd> see msg :)
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  • [18:35:12] <cfo215> anyone here using the angstrom-distribution setup-scripts? specifically the console-image, and if so are you using it with wifi?
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  • [18:36:56] <cfo215> I'm having trouble with the console-image not being able to use the wifi (and yes... I did pull the ethernet cable). I was able to get it working buy doing opkg update; opkg upgrade and then updating the config files for connman.
  • [18:37:41] <cfo215> but I'd rather not have to go through those steps. I'd rather just be able to build and image and have it work. Anyone?
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  • [18:39:31] <cfo215> btw I'm using a beaglebone black rev. A5C
  • [18:41:17] <Crofton|work> so works from feeds, but not from build?
  • [18:42:07] <_troll_> feed the troll
  • [18:42:52] <_av500_> +1
  • [18:43:20] <cfo215> Crofton|work, yes
  • [18:44:30] * Crofton|work slaps the trolls
  • [18:44:47] <Crofton|work> can you compare dmesg for success and fialure?
  • [18:46:22] <cfo215> Crofton|work, i'm trying to do a SD dupe to eliminate the SD card itself.
  • [18:46:38] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [18:46:49] <Crofton|work> It would be good to compare the kernel log
  • [18:46:56] <cfo215> I'm copying my working SD to my NON working sd card.
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  • [18:47:19] <Crofton|work> hmm, the intel spy is back
  • [18:47:36] <cfo215> if the problem goes away. then at lease I know it's not the SD card some how... This probably only makes sense to me...
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  • [18:53:23] <cfo215> Crofton|work, it still doesn't address the root-cause of the defect(?)
  • [18:53:39] <mru> the big bang?
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  • [18:55:07] <cfo215> I've also tried with stock console-image and a different rtl8192cu driver file. That didn't help either.
  • [18:56:30] <cfo215> if i can get an image working on my RPi i will abandon the Beagle Black. I'm just that fed up with it.
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  • [18:58:15] <cfo215> I'm adding a wifi card for crying out loud. I'm not trying to get it talking to some undesigned, alpha-code usb widget.
  • [18:58:52] <rneese> did you istall the firmware
  • [18:59:02] <rneese> like I found out I had to for my usb
  • [18:59:15] <rneese> wich I still have issues with
  • [18:59:26] <cfo215> yeah, well duh, of course I installed the firmware... It's in there, checked and double checked.
  • [18:59:32] <rneese> I can get it to link andget a ip but I cant surf
  • [18:59:41] <rneese> ok
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  • [19:00:22] <rneese> I want to know what the usb in the /etc/network/interfaces is for
  • [19:00:22] <rneese> it needs better documenting
  • [19:01:00] <cfo215> rneese, I have one SD card that works... stupid me, forgot how I got it working. All I remember is doing opkg update; opkg upgrade and then adding the wpa_supplicant.conf and wifi.config files.
  • [19:01:29] <cfo215> rneese, a different connection manager...
  • [19:01:47] <rneese> ok
  • [19:02:09] <rneese> well I use the debiam img system to build my sd cards
  • [19:02:34] <rneese> and I am now using the same system to then build pbx boxies easier
  • [19:02:36] <rneese> brb
  • [19:02:42] <cfo215> Angstrom uses connmann (barely documented). Are you using a stock image or building your own?
  • [19:03:54] * koen wonders why people still assume USB stuff will actually work on a beaglebone
  • [19:04:30] <mru> s/on a beaglebone//
  • [19:04:52] <mru> and s/usb//
  • [19:05:04] <cfo215> because it should!
  • [19:05:20] <rneese> I am using the beagle bone debian img
  • [19:05:28] <rneese> its just a base install
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  • [19:06:05] <rneese> with the proper kernel modules
  • [19:06:18] <mru> fixing people's expectations is easier than fixing the product
  • [19:06:23] <cfo215> I'm trying to use koen's setup-scripts to build a customized Angstrom console-image. But he doesn't seem to see the importance of WiFi enablement on the beaglebone.
  • [19:06:54] <cfo215> Let's lower our expectations then, and we'll all be happier.
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  • [19:08:48] <koen> cfo215: the USB hardware is broken in silicon
  • [19:08:52] <fds_> Hello
  • [19:09:12] * mru thought usb by broken already in the committee
  • [19:09:28] <fds_> I have an issue ssh
  • [19:09:37] <koen> cfo215: I do seem the importance of wifi on the bone, but that doesn't mean I can't point out that USB things are *$(@*$@( broken on the bone
  • [19:09:38] <fds_> Can anyone help me with that?
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  • [19:11:25] <Crofton|work> koen, but works for one method but not another
  • [19:11:33] <Vaizki> definition of lazy nerd? I am stirring my gin & tonic with a pci slot blank because I'm too lazy to get off my ass and get something else
  • [19:11:35] <cfo215> koen, who do we put a fire under to get them corrected? Circuitco? Angstrom-Distro? Ti?
  • [19:11:37] <Crofton|work> cfo215, pastebin th elogs of success and failure
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  • [19:12:07] <cfo215> Crofton|work, will do.
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  • [19:12:39] <mikeB_> hi
  • [19:13:01] <koen> cfo215: TI of course
  • [19:13:07] <koen> noone else can fix the silicon
  • [19:13:25] <cfo215> koen, true that!
  • [19:13:42] <vvu|Log> if someone speaks with TI tell them about the OTG problem
  • [19:13:46] <mikeB_> i'm looking at beaglebone black. Is there an IDE that comes with it so that I can develop code?
  • [19:14:14] <davr> mikeB_: think of it like developing code for a linux PC. use whatever IDE you want
  • [19:14:45] * Crofton|work goes to hacking on a zynq device tree
  • [19:14:51] <mikeB_> then download your code into linux?
  • [19:14:53] <Crofton|work> because all Si vendors suck
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  • [19:15:49] <mikeB_> can you get at the nuts and bolts of the processor?
  • [19:16:12] <davr> maybe if you had small enough tweezers
  • [19:17:16] <mikeB_> so you can't directly write code for the processor, like access the I/O ports etc?
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  • [19:25:52] <_av500_> sure
  • [19:25:56] <_av500_> CPU runs SW
  • [19:26:03] <_av500_> even on the beagle
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  • [19:26:48] <_av500_> mikeB_: it is not special in that regard
  • [19:26:55] <_av500_> you can write code on it or on the PC
  • [19:27:01] <_av500_> compile with fancy IDE or command like
  • [19:27:13] <_av500_> use python or assembly
  • [19:27:20] <_av500_> run and OS or run your own
  • [19:27:38] <_av500_> its just an ARM core with some periphery around
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  • [19:30:37] <mikeB_> is there any sort of debugger?
  • [19:31:15] <rneese> well I got freeswitch running and now to start devel the new gui
  • [19:31:23] <rneese> this is going to be great
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  • [19:32:51] <thurgood> mikeB_: gdb works fine, or you can remote debug with an IDE
  • [19:33:08] <mikeB_> there's a jtag header?
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  • [19:33:59] <monzie> If I configure a pin as a gpio output, then as a pwm , then back to a gpio I can no longer set its value
  • [19:34:06] <prpplague> mikeB_: don't need jtag for gdb unless you are debugging something in the bootloader
  • [19:34:35] <mikeB_> anybody use the camera module before?
  • [19:34:41] <monzie> The first time works fine, but the second time it doesn't. I am using the cape manager and the gpio device driver
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  • [19:42:29] <_av500_> mikeB_: unless you write your own OS, gdb and printf are fine
  • [19:42:33] <_av500_> and printk
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  • [19:59:15] <KotH> _av500_: dont forget the osciloscope, DMM and logic analyzer
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  • [19:59:36] <_av500_> anda wet sponge
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  • [20:01:00] <KotH> sometimes, a slave to beat up when nothing works, helps too
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  • [20:18:35] <_SY_> hello all, anyone here?
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  • [20:18:54] <_av500_> no
  • [20:18:59] <_av500_> all gone home
  • [20:19:06] <_av500_> just the cleaning crew
  • [20:19:29] <vagrantc> _SY_: check the topic for the channel
  • [20:19:58] <_SY_> hello, can you help me? do you know if there is a zig bee board for the beaglebone?
  • [20:21:20] <_av500_> https://github.com/raul7/ZigBeagle
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  • [20:21:32] <_SY_> ty, will take a look now
  • [20:21:34] <_av500_> xbbe are SPI
  • [20:21:37] <_av500_> xbee
  • [20:21:43] <_av500_> hooking them up should be easy
  • [20:22:01] <_av500_> get a protocape and solder one
  • [20:22:17] <spikebike> or get a usb zigbee widget
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  • [20:22:49] <spikebike> sadly zwave seems to have stolen most of the zigbee functionality, gone proprietary, and greatly reduced the market for zigbee widgets
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  • [20:23:30] <spikebike> I was hoping to get zigbee lightbulbs, light switches, and outlets to use as repeaters
  • [20:23:39] <spikebike> then zigbee er, non-repeaters for sensors
  • [20:23:53] <spikebike> doesn't seem much out there that is turnkey
  • [20:24:47] <_av500_> true
  • [20:24:55] <_av500_> there's BLE stuff coming
  • [20:24:59] <_av500_> eventually
  • [20:25:01] <_SY_> I have a colleage who is exploring using zigbee on a platform offshore.
  • [20:25:05] <_av500_> but that does not mesh
  • [20:26:17] <_SY_> MESH is exactly what he wants
  • [20:26:30] <_av500_> sure, zigbee does that
  • [20:26:40] <_av500_> get a few xbees and hook them up
  • [20:26:53] <_av500_> there are also $5 zigbee modules on ebay
  • [20:27:11] <_SY_> Thank you, if he is interested in pursuing it further I will get some and hook them up.
  • [20:27:46] <spikebike> does ble do mesh?
  • [20:29:23] <spikebike> the paypal ble widget looks pretty cool, but isn't obviously mesh.
  • [20:29:51] <_SY_> g2g, thanks for the information.
  • [20:29:53] <_SY_> bye
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  • [20:34:18] <_av500_> spikebike: nope
  • [20:34:23] <_av500_> BLE is for short range
  • [20:35:13] <spikebike> short range seems compatible with mesh
  • [20:35:18] <spikebike> but ok
  • [20:35:21] <_av500_> no
  • [20:35:29] <spikebike> saw the paypall ble widget, looks pretty slick
  • [20:35:38] <spikebike> futuristic even ;-)
  • [20:35:41] <_av500_> I dont think even std BLE does meshing in practice
  • [20:35:59] <_av500_> its in the std, but I doubt anybody implemented it
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  • [20:39:53] <Maor> Can someone help?
  • [20:40:00] <Maor> I have a BBB which refuses to boot
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  • [20:40:12] <_av500_> ask
  • [20:40:15] <m_billybob> keep going . . .
  • [20:40:28] <Maor> No LED is lit after power up.
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  • [20:40:39] <m_billybob> not even power led ?
  • [20:40:47] <Maor> Connected to the serial debug console
  • [20:41:13] <Maor> Got:
  • [20:41:14] <Maor> U-Boot SPL 2013.07-00013-g469f02f (Jul 30 2013 - 12:27:41) musb-hdrc: ConfigData=0xde (UTMI-8, dyn FIFOs, HB-ISO Rx, HB-ISO Tx, SoftConn) musb-hdrc: MHDRC RTL version 2.0 musb-hdrc: setup fifo_mode 4 musb-hdrc: 28/31 max ep, 16384/16384 memory USB Peripheral mode controller at 47401000 using PIO, IRQ 0 : 0, U-Boot SPL 2013.07-00013-g469f02f (Jul 30 2013 - 12:27:41)
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  • [20:41:45] <Maor> Nothing else
  • [20:41:59] <Maor> Power led is lit.
  • [20:42:02] <Maor> naturally.
  • [20:42:06] <m_billybob> maor what did you do to it ?
  • [20:42:12] <Maor> no idea
  • [20:42:13] <m_billybob> no not naturally
  • [20:42:33] <m_billybob> you didnt install a new distro or something ? reflash the EMMC ?
  • [20:43:03] <m_billybob> first thign that goes through my mind is that MLO isbad
  • [20:43:17] <Maor> I have another BBB that works.
  • [20:43:30] <Maor> I have a MicroSD with angstrom on it.
  • [20:43:37] <Maor> The other BBB works of it.
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  • [20:43:50] <m_billybob> but the problem one wont ?
  • [20:43:52] <Maor> When I put it in the dead BBB it doesn't boot from it.
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  • [20:44:08] <Maor> no status LEDs
  • [20:44:14] <m_billybob> you might want to consider requesting an RMA
  • [20:44:26] <Maor> get the same result from the serial console
  • [20:44:27] <spikebike> Anyone familiar enough with bluetooth/zwave to commend on the security for things like deadbolt on a front door?
  • [20:44:43] <spikebike> comment rather
  • [20:45:14] <_av500_> I commend security
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  • [20:45:56] <m_billybob> spikebike probably a bad idea
  • [20:46:27] * XorA is amused by a house you cant get out of when your battery is dead :-D
  • [20:46:42] <Maor> Or get it...
  • [20:46:47] <Maor> get in...
  • [20:46:48] <m_billybob> im more amused at all the linux hackers who could get in ;)
  • [20:46:54] <_av500_> battery can be outside
  • [20:47:13] <spikebike> m_billybob: yeah, thought so. Seems like many assume because popular chips don't let you fake the mac address or equiv that it's somehow impossible to send the same radio signal
  • [20:47:35] <_av500_> if your security is only mac, you are doing it wrong
  • [20:47:50] <spikebike> av500: agreed, seems common with bluetooth/zwave though
  • [20:47:50] <_av500_> the transport itself should not be the security components
  • [20:47:57] <m_billybob> you can fake mac addresses
  • [20:48:01] <m_billybob> with BT
  • [20:48:08] <ynezz> just use broadcast mac everywhere
  • [20:48:10] <spikebike> m_billybob: many chips do not suppor tthat I believe.
  • [20:48:23] <m_billybob> spikebike it can be done all in software
  • [20:49:02] <spikebike> The reason I bring this up is I want to write something for android that will securely encrypted a command and send it to a beaglebone to securely control the opening/closing of a door.
  • [20:49:10] <_av500_> do it like car keys
  • [20:49:31] <m_billybob> spikebike erm heh use the internet
  • [20:49:33] <spikebike> I wouldn't mind wireless from BBB -> door, but sounds like I should just run some copper
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  • [20:50:39] <m_billybob> spikebike, but it could be done with bt, but you'd have to think about it carefully
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  • [20:50:56] <m_billybob> MAC address can be spoofed
  • [20:51:03] <rneese> ok anyone here using the debian image
  • [20:51:17] <m_billybob> yes meese
  • [20:51:22] <rneese> and know what is bound to port 80 even after apache2 is rm
  • [20:51:23] <m_billybob> rneese <---
  • [20:51:32] <rneese> I installed nginx
  • [20:51:35] <spikebike> m_billybob: well the problem there is I wouldn't have control over the door side. I was thinking of something like: http://www.amazon.com/Kwikset-925-Cylinder-Bluetooth-Deadbolt/dp/B00CPTD5AQ
  • [20:51:37] <rneese> I prefer nginx
  • [20:52:00] <rneese> ok after a reboot it works
  • [20:52:10] <rneese> so apache is not fully stoping
  • [20:52:25] <Maor> back to my dead BBB
  • [20:52:39] <Maor> is there anything I could do locally?
  • [20:52:40] <m_billybob> spikebike you'd have to have control over the door side, otherwise you'll have security problem
  • [20:52:47] <m_billybob> Maor RMA it
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  • [20:52:53] <m_billybob> how many time i have to say that
  • [20:53:21] <rneese> how is it dead
  • [20:53:30] <rneese> is it not booting at all
  • [20:53:32] <spikebike> m_billybob: er, I meant, if I buy a BT door knob I can't control the security of the protocol. It's either resistant to sniffing or replay attack.. or it isn't.
  • [20:53:38] <rneese> I missed the conversation
  • [20:53:43] <Maor> rneese: Yes
  • [20:53:50] <Maor> Status LEDS not lit.
  • [20:53:55] <Maor> Serial console output:
  • [20:53:56] <m_billybob> spikebike you can write an intermediary application though
  • [20:54:02] <Maor> U-Boot SPL 2013.07-00013-g469f02f (Jul 30 2013 - 12:27:41) musb-hdrc: ConfigData=0xde (UTMI-8, dyn FIFOs, HB-ISO Rx, HB-ISO Tx, SoftConn) musb-hdrc: MHDRC RTL version 2.0 musb-hdrc: setup fifo_mode 4 musb-hdrc: 28/31 max ep, 16384/16384 memory USB Peripheral mode controller at 47401000 using PIO, IRQ 0 : 0, U-Boot SPL 2013.07-00013-g469f02f (Jul 30 2013 - 12:27:41)
  • [20:54:16] <Maor> nothing more.
  • [20:54:19] <rneese> and you put a voltmeter to the power supply to make sure its not the power brick
  • [20:54:32] <rneese> ok
  • [20:54:32] <Maor> PSU works fine with another BBB
  • [20:54:40] <rneese> rma it
  • [20:54:49] <rneese> send it back
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  • [20:55:23] <spikebike> m_billybob: yes, I can security encrypted communications between phone and BBB. But I also want to avoid issues with random 3rd parties being able to open/close my lock by using bluetooth directly.
  • [20:55:52] <m_billybob> spikebike ok not really tellign you to forget that, but forget it lol
  • [20:56:08] <spikebike> Maor: it's possible to have a marginal psu work with one unit and not a second
  • [20:56:28] <m_billybob> im thinking more of some passwd / challenge schema
  • [20:56:30] <rneese> you also tried booting it with a sd with the bbb flasher img
  • [20:56:53] <Maor> sd that works with one doesn't work with the dead one.
  • [20:57:03] <rneese> then rma it
  • [20:57:05] <Maor> same goes for USB
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  • [20:57:12] <rneese> if it wont boot from the sd
  • [20:57:16] <m_billybob> spikebike maybe rsa keys ?
  • [20:57:20] * m_billybob shrugs
  • [20:57:34] <Maor> *
  • [20:57:44] <spikebike> m_billybob: yeah, that was my plan. Take command, sign it, have BBB check the signature.
  • [20:58:00] <spikebike> er command and timestamp.
  • [20:58:27] <m_billybob> you'll also want to do MAC to MAC pairing, and use encrypted comms too
  • [20:58:35] <XorA> I will point you to the bit in sneakers where the "hacker" hacks the electronic lock :-D
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  • [20:59:19] <m_billybob> spikebike and more importantly you need some way to get into the doorlock BBB etc, but that shouldnt be much if any problem at all
  • [20:59:41] <m_billybob> for when things go wrong, and they probably will
  • [20:59:49] <spikebike> indeed
  • [21:00:13] <spikebike> I think for now I'll target the garage door, control it via a relay, and use the front door as a backup just in case
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  • [21:00:33] <m_billybob> thats a pretty nifty idea though
  • [21:00:44] <m_billybob> not one id need or wouldnt want to do but kind of cool
  • [21:00:51] <m_billybob> or would want to do*
  • [21:01:25] <m_billybob> we live on our own 40 acres, someone comes in the gates, and *tries* to come in, they'll have 5 dogs on them in a heartbeat
  • [21:01:27] <vxe> make sure to leave a note for would-be home invaders to not just smash a window to get in
  • [21:03:14] <m_billybob> spikebike no idea how much reading you've done on it, but id do as much as you can
  • [21:04:00] <m_billybob> not bluetooth related just secure communications etc
  • [21:05:21] <m_billybob> spikebike i dont remember where I saw it, if it was youtube or what( I think it was youtube actually ) where a guy did somethign similar to log into his PC with his android phone. also when his phone left the area the PC would lock down
  • [21:05:50] <spikebike> yeah, I've done a fair bit of reading. Not like I have a bank vault, I just don't want some random being able to unlock/lock doors. Apparently hacking cars wirelessly is becoming fairly common
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  • [21:06:17] <spikebike> m_billybob: yeah, I plan to do that as well. I wrote the code for android then found out there was no way to programmatically talk to a remote android phone 8-(
  • [21:06:42] <m_billybob> bluetooth.
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  • [21:08:29] <m_billybob> i want to say this was a YUI project, but meh ive watched so many videos and have read so much in the last 3-4 months i could not say for sure
  • [21:08:54] <dancingmonkey> Just got a RasPi. Loved it! Just got a BeagleBoard Black, starting to love it less. Still love it!
  • [21:09:18] <m_billybob> I though that was really a cool idea too though. bluetooth PC authentication
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  • [21:12:22] <dancingmonkey> I also tried that latest from https://raw.github.com/RobertCNelson/omap-image-builder/master/tools/setup_sdcard.sh and I have the same error. Running on Fedora 19.
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  • [21:16:32] <spikebike> m_billybob: yeah I think it's an awesome idea, assuming you do it right and don't just assume no sniffing and no mac address spoofing
  • [21:16:55] <cfo215> still not sure why the Feed is more current than the Source Code...
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  • [21:17:11] <spikebike> I want desktop login -> look up username -> phone -> challenge phones private key -> user click on yes/no -> encrypted accept/deny back to server.
  • [21:17:21] <cfo215> makes no sense to me....
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  • [21:19:17] <KotH> spikebike: you can open a data connection to another GSM capable phone afaik
  • [21:19:31] <KotH> spikebike: dont know whether android exports that part of the protocol
  • [21:19:54] <KotH> spikebike: but you'll probably only get 9600, if i'm not mistaken
  • [21:20:03] <KotH> spikebike: for more info, read the gsm/umts standards
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  • [21:20:30] <rneese> ok well I have a start to my setup now I have to work on the new gui...
  • [21:20:34] <spikebike> KotH: hadn't heard of that. I did try to take two phones on my desk talk to each other on various ports..... never succeeded 8-(
  • [21:20:42] <spikebike> kinda sad that p2p is impossible on cell phones
  • [21:20:50] <rneese> man this makes me want to dev now
  • [21:21:06] <rneese> the idea of a creditcard size pbx system
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  • [21:24:51] <spikebike> heh
  • [21:25:02] <spikebike> yeah the BBB is pretty impressive for the size
  • [21:26:21] <KotH> spikebike: er.. p2p is possible with phones too
  • [21:26:32] <KotH> spikebike: push-to-talk is based on a system like that
  • [21:26:57] <spikebike> well with the tower/providers cooperation sure. I meant from the perspective of a app developer
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  • [21:27:14] <KotH> also possible, if everyone has wlan or bt running
  • [21:27:25] <dancingmonkey> I am trying to write Debian to SD. I run ./setup_sdcard-.sh --mmc /dev/sdb --dtp bone --rootfs ext4 and it throws an error on line 580. I edit (badly) line 580 to add ext4 and it formats the disk with one partition (boot) and throws an error saying partition 2 is missing...
  • [21:27:31] <spikebike> wlan meaning what?
  • [21:27:31] <KotH> friend of mine did his master thesis based on something like this
  • [21:27:35] <KotH> nearly 10y ago
  • [21:27:43] <spikebike> did you mean wifi?
  • [21:27:50] <KotH> yes
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  • [21:28:27] <KotH> dancingmonkey: sorry to disapoint you but we will not be able to help you as we have no idea what kind of script you are running
  • [21:28:42] <spikebike> yeah, but they bt and wifi are power intensive enough that most won't leave themon all the time.
  • [21:28:48] <KotH> dancingmonkey: go full commando... er .. i mean low level and use fdisk and dd instead of said script
  • [21:28:49] <spikebike> btle might fix that though
  • [21:29:24] <KotH> well, you'll get only very short range connections then
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  • [21:30:39] <m_billybob> spikebike this is related to but not what I read before -> http://www.howtogeek.com/67556/how-to-unlock-your-pc-by-being-nearby-with-a-bluetooth-phone/
  • [21:30:52] <spikebike> sure, although but that could be extended via a mesh. Doubly so if you aren't too time sensitive.
  • [21:31:17] <spikebike> in a average city how often do you think smart phones get within 30 feet of each other?
  • [21:31:24] <KotH> m_billybob: i thought about something like this to lock my pc instead of unlock it :)
  • [21:31:43] <m_billybob> personally i'd try ti limit range to 5 feet. dont exactly want someone sittign on the street all day tryign ot crack into your "system" / front door
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  • [21:31:56] <KotH> spikebike: you have never done any mesh networks, have you?
  • [21:32:09] <m_billybob> KotH you can do both
  • [21:32:18] <KotH> m_billybob: yes, but unlocking is risky
  • [21:32:27] <spikebike> tinkered with some wifi routers, and I have a friend who does some research in that area
  • [21:32:34] <spikebike> (grad student)
  • [21:33:00] <m_billybob> KotH there has to be some way to make the unlocking far less insecure
  • [21:33:02] <m_billybob> custom app
  • [21:33:05] <KotH> spikebike: let me tell you one important thing: general purpose mesh networks are incredible hard. so incredible hard that i have yet to see a working system
  • [21:33:38] <KotH> spikebike: all "mesh" networks out there are build for a special case and do not work for general networking applications as we use today
  • [21:33:38] <spikebike> KotH: well zillions of smart phones with data plans do make it hard to make a compelling case for p2p/mesh.
  • [21:33:44] <m_billybob> KotH there have been internet mesh networks in this general area for years
  • [21:33:54] <m_billybob> not where i live specificaly but where i used to be
  • [21:34:01] <spikebike> seems like it might be useful for things like real time local updates of road conditions
  • [21:34:04] <m_billybob> where i used to live*
  • [21:34:06] <KotH> spikebike: just because something is theoretically possible, doesnt mean it magically appears
  • [21:34:15] <spikebike> KotH: sure, takes someone to write it
  • [21:34:41] <spikebike> problem is the profit is in tower infrastructure and data plans. Mesh could work quite well if every smart phone could be an active node.
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  • [21:34:56] <KotH> m_billybob: if you mean overlay networks, yes and no. yes they exist, no they are tailored for a special case of comunication needs and they rely on a working routing system that connects all nodes
  • [21:35:05] <spikebike> but ther'es no motivation for AT&T, Verizon,a nd T-mobile to devalue their infrastructure
  • [21:35:20] <KotH> spikebike: heh..if it would be that easy, someone who is into networks research would have done it
  • [21:35:36] <spikebike> KotH: well you need a cheap commodity hardware platform that doesn't exist
  • [21:36:04] <KotH> spikebike: there are every year hundreds if not thousands of papers published on ad hoc, mesh and sensor node networks.
  • [21:36:14] <KotH> wtf...
  • [21:36:14] <spikebike> but there are various projects for the DoD, emergency rescue, disaster recovery, and related to handle cases where there might not be cell towers that work nearby
  • [21:36:15] <m_billybob> KotH each antenna for wireless internet in the area I used to live in ( with a specific provider ) was a "node"
  • [21:36:19] <SpeedEvil> mesh networks fundamentally don't work for high bandwidth data transfer.
  • [21:36:29] <KotH> there is cheap comodity hw, it's called cell phone. you can get one for 1chf
  • [21:36:31] <m_billybob> id say that qualkifies asa mesh network
  • [21:36:41] <m_billybob> qualifies too
  • [21:36:47] <spikebike> KotH: ya, but mostly crippled for p2p direct communications
  • [21:37:08] <SpeedEvil> if you need to get 100 hops to your target device, then your average bandwidth is - for obvious reasons - 99% taken up by other peoples traffic
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  • [21:37:11] <KotH> m_billybob: what kind of project?
  • [21:37:23] <m_billybob> KotH same area different provider was also a beta area for WiMAX
  • [21:37:24] <spikebike> imagine if your phone could say someone 8 cars skidded one mile ahead of you on the highway.
  • [21:37:38] <KotH> m_billybob: i know there were some "we connect the villages nobody cares with wirless routers" in nothern europe, but i wouldnt call them mesh
  • [21:37:59] <KotH> m_billybob: they were traditional networks build by using wireless links instead of old fashioned copper links
  • [21:38:04] <spikebike> might be damn useful, especially in the mountains where coverage is often poor/nonexistant
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  • [21:38:52] <KotH> spikebike: coverage in mountains is as good as in the city
  • [21:38:58] <KotH> spikebike: at least in swiss mountains
  • [21:39:06] <m_billybob> aim down ;)
  • [21:39:13] <spikebike> KotH: that's impressive, not so much in the california sierras
  • [21:39:21] <spikebike> and doubly so in the nevada sierras
  • [21:39:30] <KotH> spikebike: not my fault that you live in a 4th world country ;)
  • [21:39:35] <m_billybob> the old area i used to live in was close to one of the areas used for long distance warring
  • [21:39:36] <spikebike> indeed
  • [21:39:40] <m_billybob> ~30miles
  • [21:39:55] <m_billybob> 802.11b/g
  • [21:39:58] <spikebike> a cell phone that could use it's main transmitter/receiver to talk directly to peers would be awesome
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  • [21:40:03] <SpeedEvil> Actually planned networks - with an operator - are very much not P2P mesh
  • [21:40:25] <SpeedEvil> And can avoid many of the issues with actual mesh.
  • [21:40:29] <KotH> anyways..
  • [21:40:48] <KotH> if you want to build a mesh network, learn how they work, use what you have (it is possible with todays cell phones!)
  • [21:40:50] <SpeedEvil> namely that it's always good to cheat to get more bandwidth for example
  • [21:40:54] <KotH> and finaly build them
  • [21:41:10] <KotH> in the mean time, i go and catch some sleep
  • [21:41:12] <spikebike> KotH: I'll dig around, even 9600 bps would be plenty for man use cases
  • [21:41:21] <m_billybob> night KotH
  • [21:41:57] <KotH> spikebike: get yourself a copy of the gsm standard. look at this project that wants to build an open source basestateion (forgot its name)
  • [21:42:03] <KotH> they should have it
  • [21:42:06] <KotH> or something similar
  • [21:42:24] <spikebike> KotH: well sadly it won't be very useful if android doesn't let me get to it. It's way beyond me to start hacking gsm directly.
  • [21:42:25] <KotH> oh.. and read a couple hundred papers on ad hoc networks and learn how those work
  • [21:42:37] <KotH> spikebike: cyanogenmod exists
  • [21:43:01] <KotH> spikebike: build your own android, modify the system until it does what you want to do it, send the changes upstream
  • [21:43:25] <KotH> if you keep telling yourself it'll never work, you'll never get something done
  • [21:43:38] <spikebike> KotH: heh, sounds like a thesis or two in there
  • [21:43:53] <KotH> spikebike: forget about a thesis
  • [21:43:59] <KotH> spikebike: a thesis is about something you can publish
  • [21:44:09] <spikebike> heh, well I meant as far as man years
  • [21:44:10] <KotH> spikebike: you want something working. that's a _VERY_ different goal
  • [21:44:16] <KotH> who cares?
  • [21:44:30] <KotH> do you intend to leave this world next year?
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  • [21:44:39] <KotH> or start a new hobby every month?
  • [21:45:06] <KotH> http://thecodelesscode.com/case/107
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  • [21:45:34] <KotH> now for reall.. good night
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  • [21:58:08] <nomel_> i'm getting thousands of " gen_ndis_query_resp: RNDIS_OID_GEN_RCV_NO_BUFFER" type messages when i use usb ethernet with bbb.
  • [21:58:31] <nomel_> it's slowing things down.
  • [21:58:39] <nomel_> this is with the latest production image.
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  • [22:10:08] <dancingmonkey> KotH: I need to get debian-7.1-console-armhf-2013-08-26.tar.xz on to a SD card. It contains the images of rootfs and initrd (uInitrd?) and a few other bits
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  • [22:11:02] <spikebike> KotH said he's going to bed.
  • [22:11:51] <rneese> you have to use a linux system to make the sd with that
  • [22:12:25] <rneese> unzip it on a deb system and use the setup_sdcard.sh
  • [22:12:54] <rneese> but there is alot to mod if adding your own root fs I am working to understand it
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  • [22:14:58] <georgem_home> How can KotH go to bed when there is still chocolate to eat. *taunts with imaginary expensive chocolate*
  • [22:15:01] <dancingmonkey> spikebike: I had to take the wife to bed, I missed his reply. setup_sdcard.sh is my issue.
  • [22:15:02] <rneese> dancingmonkey you there
  • [22:15:14] <rneese> whats the issue
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  • [22:15:17] <rneese> its not hard
  • [22:15:48] <dancingmonkey> I'll pastebin it. as it were.
  • [22:16:00] <rneese> I was nto here for the pb
  • [22:16:21] <rneese> 1 min I will give you a complete line
  • [22:16:27] <m_billybob> william@arm:~$ sudo lsb_release -a | grep Description
  • [22:16:27] <m_billybob> No LSB modules are available.
  • [22:16:27] <m_billybob> Description: Debian GNU/Linux 7.1 (wheezy)
  • [22:17:05] <dancingmonkey> http://pastebin.com/vyciMucL
  • [22:18:15] <rneese> ./setup_sdcard.sh --mmc /dev/sdb --uboot bone replace /dev/sdb with your sd dev
  • [22:18:17] <dancingmonkey> Just read K*tH's last URL, interesting feelings about Python.
  • [22:18:38] <dancingmonkey> sdb is the card.
  • [22:19:11] <rneese> ok well I have not done anything bigger the a 32 gig sd
  • [22:19:21] <rneese> but it works fine
  • [22:19:35] <dancingmonkey> jebus... wth did I do?!
  • [22:19:40] <rneese> have you use fdisk and reset the sd card back to blank
  • [22:19:56] <rneese> and retried
  • [22:20:38] <dancingmonkey> I tried uboot on my built in sd reader, mmcsomethingblahh and it threw the same error as my external reader, so I've been trying --dtp
  • [22:20:59] <rneese> ok it looks like it failed to make a boot and root
  • [22:21:06] <rneese> on the card
  • [22:21:31] <dancingmonkey> well, that might have been it, I was just in there wiping the tables, but for a copy/paste setup system I was going nuts trying to find out what was wrong.
  • [22:21:49] <dancingmonkey> success, I'll try booting.
  • [22:21:50] <rneese> go wipe the sd back to blank with fdisk
  • [22:21:54] <rneese> ok
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  • [22:22:22] <rneese> hope it boots
  • [22:24:28] <rneese> I just wish they would not install apache2 on a base root fs
  • [22:25:28] <dancingmonkey> I was kind of kicking myself that I didn't find this before the raspi, so much more compatibility and speed (less the graphics). I'm going to have a small useless army of these things doing silly things. nginx in apache out; unless someone says I'm crazy.
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  • [22:27:47] <rneese> ngninx is what I preff
  • [22:28:31] <rneese> over apache
  • [22:28:39] <rneese> apache= bloat
  • [22:28:51] <spikebike> dancingmonkey: heh, ya, arduino gets way more press, then rasberry pi.
  • [22:29:24] <rneese> the pie is underkill and lacking
  • [22:29:49] <spikebike> yeah, considering the bbb is $5 to $10 more and is way nicer in multiple ways it's a no brainer upgrade
  • [22:29:52] <rneese> be it a nice little starter but the bbb the odroid and others have more power/resources
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  • [22:30:46] <spikebike> I wonder what CPU the n+1 version of the beagleboard will use
  • [22:31:06] <dancingmonkey> it's running dokuwiki and a few services for my cloudification, but I could have used the extra compatibility. I need to turn off this heartbeat before I get a black marker.
  • [22:31:39] <rneese> I just got freeswitch running on the bbb and now I am deving a gui
  • [22:31:45] <rneese> ajax/js
  • [22:32:09] <rneese> and then I ope to get this on the market
  • [22:32:20] <rneese> but the install will work on about any device
  • [22:32:44] <rneese> I have it runnig on a odroid-x2 also
  • [22:32:50] <rneese> another good board
  • [22:33:06] <rneese> quad core 1.7 ghz 2 gig of ram
  • [22:33:24] <spikebike> nice
  • [22:33:30] <spikebike> much IO though?
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  • [22:33:55] <rneese> 6 usb 1 mini usb and 1 micro hdmi
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  • [22:34:11] <rneese> it has a emmc snap on slot
  • [22:34:24] <rneese> you can put a 8/16/32 gig emmc
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  • [22:34:39] <rneese> fullsize sd slot
  • [22:34:52] <rneese> I wish they would have gone mini
  • [22:34:55] <spikebike> heh, I meant gpio type pins
  • [22:35:10] <rneese> its got a 50 pin header
  • [22:35:18] <rneese> for gpio
  • [22:35:37] <rneese> only add on right now is a lcd screen
  • [22:35:41] <rneese> that I have seen
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  • [22:36:10] <heff_> Any news on SGX drivers for Beaglebone Balck?
  • [22:36:21] <heff_> *Black
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  • [22:43:51] <prpplague> heff_: none
  • [22:43:58] <prpplague> heff_: don't expect them any time soon
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  • [22:51:59] <georgem_home> haha
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  • [22:52:43] <georgem_home> power vr is the bane of man kind!
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  • [22:52:58] <mru> I thought that was lennart
  • [22:53:08] <georgem_home> no, no, no
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  • [22:55:03] <georgem_home> lennart is simply a drain on my productivity since i have to fix his shit for him
  • [22:55:15] <mru> you don't have to use it
  • [22:56:25] <georgem_home> Sometimes I wish that were true
  • [22:56:39] <mru> no lennartware on my machines
  • [22:57:51] <georgem_home> well... I wouldn't need lennartwares on my machines. its just all the crazy marketing feature requests which necessitate it.
  • [22:58:21] <mru> unless those requests specifically name lennartware, I see no need for it
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  • [23:00:06] <georgem_home> not lennartware explicitly but many web user interfaces for view, filtering, stream logs in realtime for instance
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  • [23:11:04] <georgem_home> mru: IMHO systemd gives you better situation awareness. You can do: systemctl status apache2 (or wtvr) and get a summary of its status and most recently logs messages. You can have it log if process fails and respawn it. Your logs are timestamped to the nanosecond and if the sd-journal api is used even useful metadata like the source code line and file are logged.
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  • [23:13:50] <rneese> night guys
  • [23:13:56] <georgem_home> night
  • [23:14:09] <rneese> time to code. see how long it takes to get the basics of a gui going
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  • [23:14:30] * georgem_home doesn't do guis, thats what his brother is for
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  • [23:19:37] <georgem_home> mru: I must admin I do understand the lennart hate more than before. Kind of erks you when you send patches to fix someones shit and they're on some kind of south american fantasy adventure and no one responds for weeks.
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  • [23:25:38] <georgem_home> fun times
  • [23:25:46] <prpplague> hehe
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  • [23:33:57] * georgem_home surrenders to voyager1. Launched 5 years before I was born, becomes first human-made object to leave solar system.
  • [23:34:41] <nomel_> is there a way to do relative links in github .md markup?
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  • [23:51:47] <Spirilis> amen
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  • [23:57:26] <nomel_> to answer my own question, yes! you just do it.