• [00:01:10] <georgem_home> rich_: you just need to make your own custom device tree and breadboard something yourself. check to make sure theres not any pin conflicts.
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  • [00:03:35] <georgem_home> flufmnstr: uuid is for identifying mounts by an id instead of relying on them to given a certain device node. For instance if you had a USB flash drive plugged in during boot your USB HDD might come up as a different device.
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  • [00:05:08] <flufmnstr> ah. first time ive seen that. so its a fstab thing then?
  • [00:05:50] <georgem_home> usually yeah
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  • [00:09:15] <flufmnstr> oh thats cool. the 3 ways to declare things in fstab
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  • [00:25:47] <icbm> hi folks; I couldn't find it in documentation so I made up a mechanical drawing for the BB-xM showing the (rough) component locations and dimensions plus the mounting holes and hole locations for the various headers
  • [00:26:55] <icbm> basically it's the mechanical info needed by anyone making up a board to plug into the BB-xM - is there any particular person to contact about contributing that documentation?
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  • [01:18:47] <prpplague> wow
  • [01:19:09] <prpplague> when your Pi just aint enough, bolt on another processor - http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-54259/l/embest-user-manual-for-embedded-pi
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  • [01:29:50] <mrpackethead> what is an embedded Pi
  • [01:30:27] <mrpackethead> oh geepers
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  • [01:30:40] <mrpackethead> ha ah
  • [01:30:50] <mrpackethead> someone had to do it
  • [01:31:53] <etruscan> Hello all. Has anyone had the file /media/BEAGLEBONE/uEnv.txt disappear between boots on the Beaglebone Black?
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  • [02:28:19] <prpplague> mranostay: https://plus.google.com/u/0/101339419642360856354/posts/SNV7QcSJJH9
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  • [02:30:47] <mranostay> prpplague: people have too much time
  • [02:31:12] <prpplague> mranostay: hehe i am going to reset all the BBB test stations on sunday night
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  • [02:33:10] <prpplague> mranostay: have all the workstations playing the imperial march when come into the office on monday
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  • [02:46:52] * mranostay suspects bradfa_ has been holding back
  • [02:47:07] <bradfa_> mranostay, should I go lkml on g+?
  • [02:49:40] <wmat> prpplague: you should arrive wearing a Vader mask
  • [02:50:20] <prpplague> wmat: just a black shirt and cape
  • [02:50:38] <wmat> heh
  • [02:50:48] <prpplague> bradfa_: hehe on which post?
  • [02:51:44] <bradfa_> prpplague, mranostay apparently has a canon slr with a crap kit lens attached
  • [02:51:52] <prpplague> ahh
  • [02:52:11] <bradfa_> the best camera is the one you have with you, fine sir!
  • [02:52:22] <bradfa_> mine just happens to have fuzzies
  • [02:52:59] <prpplague> hehe
  • [02:53:30] * prpplague trolls the Linux Foundation Raspberry Pi posts
  • [02:53:37] <prpplague> i still don't understand LF
  • [02:53:45] <prpplague> i still don't understand LF's attitude towards RPi
  • [02:54:00] <wmat> i do: 1 million + users
  • [02:54:22] <wmat> that's a lot of potential annual memberships ;)
  • [02:54:56] <prpplague> wmat: yea, but it's like inviting laser tag members to the NRA
  • [02:55:02] <bradfa_> prpplague, I'm with you on not understanding but do see wmat's point of a big installed base running Linux
  • [02:55:20] <wmat> prpplague: I to agree with you
  • [02:55:40] <prpplague> bradfa_: yea but the Pi represent a major ethical violation for _everything_ the LF is suppose to stand for
  • [02:55:50] <wmat> consider the RPi a cheap gateway drug
  • [02:55:50] <bradfa_> prpplague, oh, I agree
  • [02:56:25] <bradfa_> but Linux with a bunch of patches and no datasheets and bit NDAs and no upstreaming effort is still better than 1 million more little cheap windows pcs
  • [02:56:42] <bradfa_> not that TI's really better at the upstreaming these days
  • [02:56:49] <bradfa_> but that's life
  • [02:57:02] <prpplague> bradfa_: so the question is: why isn't LF making better in roads with the so called "RPi foundation" to correct these things?
  • [02:57:14] <mranostay> bradfa_: you have a real camera?!?!
  • [02:57:20] <bradfa_> prpplague, cause the RPi foundation has no pull
  • [02:57:25] <wmat> prpplague: btw, i pinged them again re. our thread and got nothing
  • [02:57:26] <bradfa_> bcm is big and slow
  • [02:57:35] <bradfa_> mranostay, oh, of course not
  • [02:57:39] <prpplague> bradfa_: pull? i disagree
  • [02:57:45] <bradfa_> mranostay, I sold my 32mm SLR years ago
  • [02:57:57] <bradfa_> prpplague, RPi foundation has pull at bcm to get upstreaming done fast?
  • [02:58:02] <bradfa_> or docs in the open
  • [02:58:09] <bradfa_> or anything decent?
  • [02:58:10] <prpplague> bradfa_: absolutely
  • [02:58:28] <bradfa_> prpplague, then why is none of that happening afaict?
  • [02:58:35] <prpplague> bradfa_: exactly
  • [02:58:39] <bradfa_> oh, ok
  • [02:58:48] <bradfa_> recursive argment likes recursively arguing
  • [02:58:57] <bradfa_> prpplague, are we meeting in 2 minutes?
  • [02:59:17] <prpplague> bradfa_: yea just for a few minutes to sync up before tomorrows meeting with jkridner
  • [02:59:23] <bradfa_> k k
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  • [03:19:15] <mranostay> bradfa_: for what?
  • [03:19:19] <mranostay> beer money?
  • [03:20:46] <bradfa_> mranostay, I like me a nice g&t
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  • [03:29:02] <mranostay> bradfa_: nothing left over for a phone?
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  • [03:31:51] <bradfa_> mranostay, nope :)
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  • [03:39:37] <bootloader1> does anyone know how the kernel knows how much physical memory a board has?
  • [03:40:09] <bootloader1> is the memory size passed from U-boot or does kernel have some mechanism to detect the size
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  • [03:42:47] <LesliLi> kernel read memory banks from atag parameters
  • [03:43:53] <LesliLi> if kernel parameter passed by mem= , it will adjust the memory size and range after read atag parameters
  • [03:47:55] <bootloader1> LesliLi: thanks, I found the same too. http://www.simtec.co.uk/products/SWLINUX/files/booting_article.html#ATAG_MEM
  • [03:47:57] <bootloader1> thanks a lot
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  • [04:04:13] <billybob-> beers
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  • [04:06:31] <Jesse__> hello
  • [04:06:54] <Jesse__> i have a question
  • [04:06:58] <Jesse__> if anyone can help
  • [04:07:11] <billybob-> Hi, i have beers
  • [04:07:52] <mranostay> hello someone say beer?
  • [04:08:09] <billybob-> not singular. PLural
  • [04:08:16] <billybob-> BEERS !
  • [04:08:35] <mranostay> real beer?
  • [04:08:45] <billybob-> real beer in mah belly.
  • [04:09:07] <billybob-> forget the name brand just finished a "blonde citrus"
  • [04:09:18] <billybob-> not too bad
  • [04:09:35] <bootloader1> sigh
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  • [04:10:25] <Jesse__> What does this error mean?
  • [04:10:27] <Jesse__> Error: Cannot find module 'bonescript' at Function.Module._resolveFilename (module.js:338:15) at Function.Module._load (module.js:280:25) at Module.require (module.js:362:17) at require (module.js:378:17) at Object. (/var/lib/stickshift/51e4c1f5e0b8cd04e3000094/app-root/data/557617/myblink.js:1:71) at Module._compile (module.js:449:26) at Object.Module._extensions..js (module.js:467:10)
  • [04:11:20] <billybob-> means bonscript or one or many of it dependancies are missing.
  • [04:12:04] <Jesse__> do you know are get it to work?
  • [04:12:13] <Jesse__> how to get it to work*
  • [04:12:21] <billybob-> nope dont use it
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  • [04:12:44] <billybob-> jkridner should know but seems hes not here
  • [04:12:57] <billybob-> might be a question best asked on the beagleboard google groups
  • [04:13:25] <Jesse__> ok thank you
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  • [04:17:58] <mranostay> the ph0rums
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  • [04:27:19] <m_billybob> "I wanna go home, I want my moogie !"
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  • [04:37:44] * mranostay reads up on camera lenses
  • [04:38:09] <ds2> looking for a 1600mm, F1 lense?
  • [04:39:52] <mranostay> ds2: what the hell am i spying on? :)
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  • [04:40:43] <ds2> the fabs
  • [04:41:03] <ds2> we all know you are an ARM agent
  • [04:41:04] <ds2> ;)
  • [04:41:10] <mranostay> heh i'm sure as hell no walking into Intel with any real cmaera
  • [04:41:13] <mranostay> *camera
  • [04:42:16] <mranostay> ds2: you assume i have clearance to the fabs :)
  • [04:42:21] <mranostay> i assure you i don't
  • [04:42:33] <ds2> that is why you needed teh 1600mm lense :P
  • [04:43:03] <mranostay> does it go through buildings?
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  • [04:44:44] <ds2> didn't you pay the peons to setup an elaborate network of mirrors?
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  • [04:47:08] <mranostay> ds2: fab is in a campus on the other side of town anyway
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  • [04:53:42] <m_billybob> hmm apparently device tree is broken. I read it on the groups so must be true.
  • [04:53:57] <m_billybob> gnite all.
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  • [04:54:25] * mranostay throws kiwis at mrpackethead
  • [04:54:32] <mranostay> the fruit and bird kind
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  • [04:55:30] <mranostay> crap alan_o is here
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  • [04:58:14] <mranostay> how is alan_o these days?
  • [04:59:25] <alan_o> hey man
  • [04:59:34] <alan_o> doing ok. really busy lately
  • [04:59:36] <alan_o> how's Intel?
  • [04:59:37] <ds2> how's life as goofy at disneyworld? :D
  • [04:59:51] <alan_o> hey, that's just my day job
  • [05:00:03] <mranostay> alan_o: busy
  • [05:00:39] <alan_o> adjusting to the new city?
  • [05:00:51] <alan_o> you're kind of a mover anyway though, so moving is old hat by now I bet.
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  • [05:01:03] <mranostay> yeah pretty much
  • [05:01:13] <alan_o> I've never really moved far away. Hard to imagine for me.
  • [05:01:21] <alan_o> Although there are plenty of places I'd like to live
  • [05:01:22] <mranostay> hope this is the last move for a few years
  • [05:01:49] <mranostay> next would only be back to bay area or overseas
  • [05:02:18] <ds2> guess you'd be bummed to learn about tsmc....
  • [05:02:57] <mranostay> ds2: what about it?
  • [05:06:29] <alan_o> ok, time for bed. Talk to you guys soon.
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  • [05:11:12] <NotJimCarrey> would a LiPo pack outputting 7VDC be ok to use for the BBB?
  • [05:11:30] <NotJimCarrey> or would I need to put a VReg circuit in?
  • [05:13:26] <NotJimCarrey> nevermind, found it. Vmax for BAT on the TPS65217C is 5.5VDC
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  • [05:19:56] <ericb2> hi
  • [05:20:05] <ericb2> mranostay: yes ?
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  • [05:25:21] <mranostay> ericb2: wrong eric :)
  • [05:27:43] <dm8tbr> good moaning
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  • [05:42:51] <storm1> evening folks
  • [05:43:11] <storm1> anyone manage to get Adafruit's gpio library installed?
  • [05:43:15] <storm1> i'm getting syntax errors
  • [05:43:45] <storm1> !help
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  • [06:00:00] <storm1> any0one up?
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  • [06:06:16] <ayu_> i am trying to update kernel on Beagleboard. i had cross compiled the kernel image and genrated uImage paste into /boot of fat partition and modules into /lib/modules but it is still showing older kernel version on running uname -r
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  • [06:07:01] <ayu_> please anybody suggest me something onto it or i got miss someting
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  • [06:14:39] <storm1> evening folks
  • [06:15:01] <storm1> anyone know if Adafruit's gpio python lib is 2.7 or 3 ?
  • [06:15:35] <storm1> i've got python 3 installed on Arch and i can't get the Adafruit script to run (syntax errors everywhere). I'm a noob
  • [06:17:52] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 2 new commits to 3.11: http://git.io/AFJraQ
  • [06:17:52] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.11 d42033d Zubair Lutfullah: Adds continuous sampling ADC via /dev/iio...
  • [06:17:52] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.11 321a0c8 Koen Kooi: Merge pull request #50 from ZubairLK/3.11-continuous-adc-fixes...
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  • [06:31:49] <storm1> anyone?
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  • [06:32:03] <storm1> oh boy...
  • [06:33:37] <mrpackethead> number 37
  • [06:33:44] <mrpackethead> your up
  • [06:33:50] <mrpackethead> paging customer 37
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  • [06:51:48] <storm1> so.. anyone around?
  • [06:53:31] <panto> morning
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  • [06:57:15] <KotH> JIHADistic greetings, trolls and trollettes!
  • [06:57:29] <storm1> :)
  • [06:57:33] <storm1> nice to be among friends
  • [06:57:54] <storm1> so how exactly is the world of embedded linux going about accessing the GPIO on the BB?
  • [06:58:06] <storm1> is *everyone* using Adafruit's python (2) library?
  • [06:58:11] <KotH> nope
  • [06:58:20] <KotH> most people just use the sysfs interface directly
  • [06:58:36] <storm1> could you elaborate on that please?
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  • [06:59:30] <KotH> http://www.google.com/search?q=gpio+sysfs
  • [06:59:40] <storm1> already there
  • [07:00:16] <KotH> then read the words of the DCT and be enlighted!
  • [07:00:27] <storm1> DCT?
  • [07:00:39] <KotH> delicious chocolate troll
  • [07:01:20] <storm1> ahh
  • [07:01:50] <storm1> since i prefer to write in ruby, couldn't i theoretically write a 'sysfs' wrapper of sorts?
  • [07:01:54] <storm1> a gem
  • [07:02:08] <storm1> and use that in my code (abstracted away)
  • [07:02:09] <koen> or you could write a kernel driver to do what you want
  • [07:02:42] <storm1> a kernel driver?
  • [07:02:47] <storm1> sounds complicated
  • [07:03:12] <storm1> how would that work?
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  • [07:07:55] <storm1> ok well, lets forget that for a minute
  • [07:07:59] <storm1> sticking to user space
  • [07:08:12] <storm1> whats an example of sysfs commands
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  • [07:14:30] <mrpackethead> Why would we use Adafruit
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  • [07:15:29] <mrpackethead> moring KotH
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  • [07:22:00] <storm1> well
  • [07:22:11] <storm1> frankly i'm grasping at straws at this piont
  • [07:22:13] <storm1> point
  • [07:22:59] <storm1> i'm very surprised that bb doesn't come with a language specific classes
  • [07:23:17] <storm1> so far all i've managed to find is Adafruit's py2.7 lib
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  • [07:23:32] <storm1> and bb's javascript library (which I wouldn't even know how to implement)
  • [07:23:59] <storm1> i'm in ruby mode =)
  • [07:25:04] <storm1> i'm thinking its outrageous that everyone writes their own wrapper (or even more outrageous to think people actually do it manually each time)
  • [07:25:17] <storm1> so what is out there?
  • [07:25:23] <storm1> or doesn't anyone use the gpio
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  • [07:26:26] * flufmnstr uses python and the Adafruit_BBIO module
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  • [07:28:40] <storm1> i was hoping (before i looked into it) that BBIO were executable scripts (command line utilities) which would by far make the most sense
  • [07:28:57] <storm1> they could be involved through system calls
  • [07:29:01] <storm1> in *any* language
  • [07:29:09] <storm1> write/read stdi/o
  • [07:29:12] <panto> sysfs is just directories and files
  • [07:29:20] <panto> they are exactly what you describe
  • [07:29:22] <storm1> but alas.. no. they are but python classes
  • [07:29:29] <panto> you're joking
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  • [07:29:55] <storm1> panto sorry?
  • [07:30:03] <panto> those 'classes' are just wrappers for simple file I/O
  • [07:30:09] <storm1> yes yes i get that
  • [07:30:15] <panto> I just don't get you interpreted guys
  • [07:30:25] <storm1> what's not to get?
  • [07:30:29] <storm1> we're 'abstracted'
  • [07:30:32] <panto> you can't seem to be able to do anything if there's not a class to do everything
  • [07:30:40] <panto> no, you're almost useless
  • [07:30:40] <storm1> hehe
  • [07:30:49] <panto> it's just files
  • [07:30:53] <storm1> what can i say? i live in a state where we 'vote' for a living
  • [07:30:54] <panto> you can do it in bash
  • [07:31:10] <panto> you can do it with python, java, whatever
  • [07:31:20] <storm1> why in the world would i want to come anywhere near bash if I write ruby code?
  • [07:31:23] <panto> it's infinitely portable
  • [07:31:30] <flufmnstr> ^
  • [07:31:42] <panto> you ruby code has excellent file i/o capabilities
  • [07:31:46] <panto> *your
  • [07:31:56] <storm1> indeed, if you know *how* to interract with stdio
  • [07:31:58] <panto> the 'class' you're talking about is 10min tops
  • [07:32:05] <storm1> 10 minutes tops?
  • [07:32:13] <storm1> you're kidding right?
  • [07:32:22] <panto> no, I am not kidding
  • [07:32:38] <flufmnstr> you're talking about flipping the GPIOs directly?
  • [07:32:49] <storm1> 10 minutes to write a ruby wrapper for 60+ shared gpio pins, PWM, ADC along with iC2 and multiple UART ports
  • [07:32:58] <storm1> i don't think we're speaking the same language
  • [07:33:42] <storm1> at this point i'm thinking i'd have done better to hold on to my $100
  • [07:33:46] <panto> 10mins for gpio, PWM, ADC, uart
  • [07:34:06] <panto> i2c is just going to be used by some kind of driver
  • [07:34:12] <koen> if you're doing sysfs, it's just 'echo foo > bar' for most things
  • [07:34:14] <storm1> well BBIO (adafruit) hasn't even done half of that
  • [07:34:25] <panto> yes, there's a reason for that
  • [07:34:38] <panto> no-one bothers with stupid wrapper classes for trivial stuff like that
  • [07:34:51] <panto> your abstraction is wafer thin
  • [07:34:55] <panto> you don't need it
  • [07:35:03] <flufmnstr> this touches on talking to GPIOs directly
  • [07:35:30] <flufmnstr> http://derekmolloy.ie/gpios-on-the-beaglebone-black-using-device-tree-overlays/
  • [07:35:32] <storm1> to say that abstraction isn't necessary is... wow
  • [07:35:32] <panto> spend your time solving real problems
  • [07:35:51] <storm1> rpi has classes in pretty much every major language
  • [07:36:03] <storm1> there's a rubygem that does exactly what bb *should* have available
  • [07:36:14] <storm1> i don't mind learning new things, so i'll prob just take your advice and tough it out
  • [07:36:17] <storm1> most people will not.
  • [07:36:17] <flufmnstr> well if thats the argument, someone had to write them
  • [07:36:20] <flufmnstr> so get to work.
  • [07:36:38] <panto> what exactly would an abstraction of an 'echo foo >/sys/bar' would provide
  • [07:36:57] <panto> I assure you I'm more familiar with abstraction that you'll probably ever be
  • [07:37:10] <panto> but abstraction has penalties
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  • [07:37:19] <storm1> for one thing, it abastracts linux (everything-is-a-file) from the guy trying to water his plants using ruby or javascript, and tweet about it.
  • [07:37:34] <storm1> using a 5v relay + aquarium pump
  • [07:37:48] <panto> the linux kernel already provides that abstraction for you
  • [07:37:52] <panto> it's the damn sysfs interface
  • [07:37:56] <storm1> sorry 5/12vdc
  • [07:38:10] <panto> what you're doing is pilling on another abstraction of your choosing - for no good reason
  • [07:38:41] <storm1> which i have every intention of learning, so that i could take advantage of an otherwise very well conceived sbc. Otherwise i'd have to pair it up with an arduino, which completely defeats the purpose of having spent the $100
  • [07:38:46] <panto> and get this, if you ever move away from an RPi or a beaglebone, the sysfs interface on a linux system will still be there
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  • [07:39:23] <panto> so you take a perfectly fine portable abstraction layer (the sysfs interface) and pervert it into something rpi or bone specific
  • [07:39:23] <storm1> look, i'm not saying it's a bad idea to learn linux systems -- i'm migrating from Mac to Arch
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  • [07:40:14] <storm1> no, you don't pervert it by writing a class (which I'm not saying I'll do) that targets the language/platform -- eg. rubygem's rpi-gpio
  • [07:40:16] <flufmnstr> echo 1 > pump/gpio, send.tweet(water plants. lol.) sleep(3 minuts), echo 0 > pump/gpio
  • [07:40:35] <flufmnstr> really, not that much of an hurtle
  • [07:41:11] <storm1> flufmnstr how would you capture analog voltage (0-1024) ?
  • [07:41:18] <panto> someone will have to learn to use your class, when learning to use the standard linux interface would suffice
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  • [07:41:36] <panto> cat /sys/devices/ocp*/adc_helper*/AIN5
  • [07:41:44] <flufmnstr> if you're just flipping a relay for an aquarium pump, why do you need to?
  • [07:42:24] <suihkulokki> is the PR vs PRINC documented somewhere?
  • [07:42:33] <storm1> you don't. but you don't spend $100 on a board just to flip a relay
  • [07:42:53] <storm1> you could do that with a $0.12 pic
  • [07:42:53] <flufmnstr> i imagine something along the lines of cat /sys/classes/gpio/whateverADCpin
  • [07:43:19] <storm1> i'm going to spend some time learning the linux standard interface
  • [07:43:19] <koen> suihkulokki: PRINC is deprecated and shouldn't be used anymore
  • [07:43:33] <panto> yes, and the bone is capable of much much more than flipping a relay
  • [07:43:36] <storm1> any good tuts?
  • [07:43:50] <flufmnstr> dude, serously, this link helped me understand talking to the BB black GPIOs http://derekmolloy.ie/gpios-on-the-beaglebone-black-using-device-tree-overlays/
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  • [07:43:58] <LesliLi> Hi, anyone knows a touchscreen/lcd solution for leopardboard(dm368)?
  • [07:44:01] <storm1> panto - the reason i purchased this sbc is to replace rpi+arduino, which in priciple it should be more then capable of doing
  • [07:44:02] <flufmnstr> the last code table shows how it works
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  • [07:44:13] <panto> it is infinitely more capable
  • [07:44:22] <flufmnstr> storm1 it is, you just have to set it up right
  • [07:44:30] <koen> suihkulokki: PRINC was supposed to make PR bumps in bbappends easier, but it backfired spectacularly
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  • [07:44:33] <panto> just the two companion cores on it are 10 times faster than your arduino
  • [07:44:47] <storm1> 200Mhz if memory serves
  • [07:44:50] <panto> and you got a GHz class arm to play with
  • [07:44:53] <flufmnstr> i know mac taught you that everything gets handed to you on a silver platter, but you need to step out of your comfort zone and try something new
  • [07:44:54] <panto> yes
  • [07:45:16] <storm1> flufmnstr - comfort is a social drug
  • [07:45:37] <flufmnstr> ...oh kay...
  • [07:45:44] <suihkulokki> koen: thanks
  • [07:45:45] <storm1> believe me when i say installing Arch Linux on the SD card, starting from a mac, wasn't 'comfortable'
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  • [07:46:11] <panto> ok, arch is definitely not a beginners distro
  • [07:46:23] <storm1> no pretty colors =)
  • [07:46:24] <flufmnstr> point is, i have 3 RPis, and while i still use Adafruit_BBIO im starting to like this sysfs method. try it, instead of complaining about it
  • [07:46:30] <flufmnstr> or write the wrapper your self
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  • [07:47:22] <storm1> panto - know of any good literature on the sysfs interface?
  • [07:47:55] <koen> suihkulokki: and FWIW, PR isn;t needed anymore, but it's nice to have in toolchain recipes
  • [07:48:05] <anujdeshpande> storm1: try derek molloy's videos on youtube
  • [07:48:09] <anujdeshpande> and his blog
  • [07:48:36] <flufmnstr> http://derekmolloy.ie/
  • [07:48:38] <storm1> thanks, will check that
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  • [07:51:04] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 8a908ca Koen Kooi: 3.8: add BeBoPr support...
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  • [08:01:07] <ant_work> koen: seems you/Martin need a brainstorm wrt PRINC
  • [08:01:47] <ant_work> <JaMa> I don't understand why everybody now hates PRINC so much,...
  • [08:02:15] <KotH> storm1: well... most of the people here come from c, where "do it yourself" is the credo
  • [08:02:34] <KotH> storm1: we dont need no classes to get something done. it's enough if we have docu how to do it
  • [08:02:44] <KotH> storm1: a couple of file access routines are very quick to write
  • [08:02:54] <KotH> storm1: at least in c, dont know about ruby or python
  • [08:03:10] <panto> KotH, it's even faster
  • [08:03:17] <panto> all the files are text files
  • [08:03:20] <KotH> storm1: but it isn't use perl instead, which is also a language where doing it yourself is very fast
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  • [08:05:19] <KotH> panto: yeah.. but i know that python is a beast to write. lots of white space you have to keep track and not mess up. then wrap your mind into classes, even if a simple imperative approach would fit a lot better
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  • [08:05:48] <KotH> panto: yes, i'm not a fan of do-it-ma-way languages
  • [08:05:54] <panto> python can do either approach (functional or classes)
  • [08:06:02] <panto> my point is not that abstraction is bad
  • [08:06:15] <panto> abstraction is essential, but also has penalties
  • [08:06:26] <KotH> yes
  • [08:06:35] <panto> essentially it comes down to, don't abstract something that's already abstracted
  • [08:06:56] <panto> cause you're pilling on layers of fluff which do nothing
  • [08:06:56] <KotH> that's why i like c an perl: you can have as many abstractions as you want, but if you need to do something by hand, it's not only possible, but it's quick to do too
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  • [08:07:51] <panto> if we were accessing the gpios using something retarded like the rpi (using /dev/mem) yeah, abstract that sh*t away
  • [08:08:17] <panto> but we're not, we have standard linux interfaces to do so
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  • [08:08:53] <philenotfound> panto: you're kidding, they really use /dev/mem for gpios?
  • [08:09:22] <panto> they used to
  • [08:09:34] <panto> if they had to implement something like spi/i2c on userspace
  • [08:10:40] <panto> lol
  • [08:10:41] <panto> https://code.google.com/p/raspberry-gpio-python/source/browse/source/c_gpio.c
  • [08:10:43] <panto> observe
  • [08:10:53] * panto facepalms
  • [08:11:14] <panto> I can't even begin to list what is wrong with that
  • [08:12:35] <panto> rpi, quality engineering (tm)
  • [08:12:56] <koen> ant_work: PRINC would work if people weren't such idiots
  • [08:13:11] <koen> ant_work: having seperate layers means people can to stupid things and not get yelled at
  • [08:15:13] <mrpackethead> " /dev/pi/odd/things
  • [08:17:24] <ant_work> koen: I think people are misunderstanding .bbappends. The ones in BSP layers should just provide minimal configuration overrides. Any heavy change like PKGCONFIG should be sent to the layer of origin
  • [08:17:37] <ant_work> Or create a custom recipe
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  • [08:41:50] <flufmnstr> so if i were to activate UART pins in a device tree overlay, do are they automatically associated with a ttyO or is there something else im missing?
  • [08:42:03] <flufmnstr> *are they
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  • [08:53:37] <koen> flufmnstr: pinmuxing is just like switching railroad tracks
  • [08:54:03] <koen> flufmnstr: setting up the track doesn't mean there's a train going to run on it
  • [08:54:09] <koen> so you need to:
  • [08:54:13] <koen> 1) activate uart
  • [08:54:16] <koen> 2) set pinmux
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  • [08:54:24] <koen> to the a working uart on the pins
  • [08:56:40] <flufmnstr> so setting up the overlay is step 1?
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  • [09:00:27] <flufmnstr> im looking at the hipstercircuit tut on enabling serial uart. i get the pin mode stuff, but im not getting how it gets assigned to a ttyO in /dev
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  • [09:03:05] <flufmnstr> oh, does UART5 always go to ttyO4? as such UART4 to ttyO3, UART3 to ttyO2....
  • [09:04:22] <koen> I don't get why people want to do it the hard way
  • [09:04:39] <koen> there are capes pre included for that
  • [09:04:46] <koen> [koen@rrMBP beaglebone-3.8]$ ls kernel/firmware/capes/ | grep -i uart
  • [09:04:46] <koen> BB-UART1-00A0.dts
  • [09:04:46] <koen> BB-UART2-00A0.dts
  • [09:04:46] <koen> BB-UART4-00A0.dts
  • [09:04:47] <koen> BB-UART5-00A0.dts
  • [09:06:25] <flufmnstr> seeing as how im new to beaglebones and device trees and pin multiplexing, its not that easy to know whats a hard way and whats not
  • [09:08:52] <Stanto> I did a table for pinmuxing
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  • [09:12:13] <MuEz> Hello Guys
  • [09:12:51] <MuEz> Is there anyone who worked with GPMC on OMAP3
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  • [09:23:52] * KotH guesses there is someone out there
  • [09:25:47] <KotH> does anyone here know how the absorbtion of 433MHz on a body (or tissue in general) is? my google skills are failing me
  • [09:27:45] <dm8tbr> 70cm is about where it starts to be important not to put your head into the antenna if the Pout > 10W
  • [09:28:00] <dm8tbr> but given you're talking ISM: harmless
  • [09:28:04] <ant_work> depends how much beer/chocolate is in the tissue
  • [09:30:10] <dm8tbr> KotH: http://www.irpa.net/irpa10/cdrom/01066.pdf
  • [09:30:46] <dm8tbr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_absorption_rate
  • [09:31:23] <dm8tbr> http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/specific-absorption-rate-sar-cellular-telephones
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  • [09:32:44] <KotH> domo!
  • [09:32:50] <KotH> exactly what i was looking for!
  • [09:32:58] <KotH> now, what did you google for that i didnt? :)
  • [09:33:07] <dm8tbr> SAR
  • [09:33:13] <KotH> ^^'
  • [09:33:17] <KotH> well, makes sense :)
  • [09:33:19] <KotH> thanks!
  • [09:33:27] <dm8tbr> "specific absorption rate SAR 433"
  • [09:35:00] <dm8tbr> btw: there are thermal effects also at HF frequencies. the 27MHz ISM band used to be utilized for depth-warming of humans for therapeutical reasons
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  • [09:35:30] <dm8tbr> also the first 'microwave' ovens where actually in that frequency range and built by the soviets
  • [09:35:53] <mru> macrowave
  • [09:35:56] <dm8tbr> you could say in russia everything is bigger, so they had macrowave ovens
  • [09:36:01] * dm8tbr snickers
  • [09:36:27] <dm8tbr> s/where/were/
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  • [09:38:50] <KotH> dm8tbr: we have a customer who does that: use 433MHz 2*80W to warm muscle tissue....
  • [09:39:06] <dm8tbr> ugh
  • [09:39:13] <KotH> dm8tbr: they were always talking about "microwave generator" and thus i thought it would be 2.4GHz...
  • [09:39:22] <KotH> now it turns out they are just using 70cm
  • [09:39:23] * dm8tbr would _not_ do that
  • [09:39:31] <KotH> i wouldnt do either
  • [09:39:38] <KotH> but they claim it's good for your health
  • [09:39:44] <KotH> and they pay :)
  • [09:39:44] <dm8tbr> rrrrrright
  • [09:39:47] <mru> 433MHz is uhf
  • [09:39:52] <dm8tbr> yup
  • [09:40:06] <dm8tbr> SHF starts at 3GHz actually
  • [09:40:33] <mru> who the hell invented those designations anyway?
  • [09:40:43] <KotH> mru: yes, 70cm is in the range of microwave, but most people use RF for anything below 1GHz these days... if not DC :-)
  • [09:41:11] <KotH> mru: engineers in the first half of the 20th century
  • [09:41:20] <dm8tbr> friend of mine did his phd on >100GHz stuff, he used to call everything below 1GHz 'DC'
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  • [09:41:49] <mru> the uhf range covers some rather different characteristics
  • [09:42:04] <KotH> dm8tbr: the guy sitting behind me used to do RF stuff at huber&suhner. his last big project was a 60GHz ethernet point to point link :)
  • [09:42:33] <dm8tbr> well known and respected name, indeed
  • [09:43:19] <mrpackethead> see what my beagle is controlling today
  • [09:43:23] <XorA> I hate working in setup.c :-(
  • [09:43:32] <XorA> stupid MMU
  • [09:43:39] <mrpackethead> you know those bright blue leds.
  • [09:43:50] <mru> XorA: could be worse, could be x86/setup.c
  • [09:43:52] <mrpackethead> they got nothign on my reworked beagle
  • [09:43:55] <mrpackethead> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1011977_10151735848247661_1714591632_n.jpg
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  • [09:44:24] <XorA> mru: don't suppose you know at what point the memory window of 2M set in head.S expands?
  • [09:44:53] <mru> no, never looked at the process in detail
  • [09:44:56] <mrpackethead> KotH: 60Ghz bandwidth?
  • [09:45:06] <mrpackethead> or at 60Ghz?
  • [09:45:33] <KotH> at 60GHz
  • [09:45:41] <XorA> would be a whole lot easier if you could ioremap ram on arm ;-)
  • [09:46:05] <mru> what would that do?
  • [09:46:25] <XorA> open the hole I need
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  • [09:47:16] <XorA> at the moment the ACPI stuff only works if I tuck it in behind the FDT and basically re-use its mapping from head.S
  • [09:47:30] <XorA> obviously this does not work on arbitrary bootloader world
  • [09:47:48] <mru> why would you ever have _both_ acpi and dt?
  • [09:48:38] <XorA> mru: you won't in final system /HOPEFULLY/
  • [09:49:05] <mru> actually, why would anyone want acpi at all?
  • [09:50:14] <XorA> people making the hardware want ACPI, no interest in FDT
  • [09:50:31] <mru> it's working too well currently?
  • [09:50:34] <mru> they need more ways to fuck up?
  • [09:50:40] <ant_work> KotH: http://thecontinentalsuper.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/746pxtesla_colorado_adjusted.jpg
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  • [09:55:52] <KotH> ant_work: i dont subscribe to the tesla cult
  • [09:56:37] <mru> KotH: but you've got to admit tesla coils are rather fun
  • [09:56:40] <ant_work> I was just warning about RF antenna
  • [09:56:47] <KotH> mru: that i do :)
  • [09:57:16] <KotH> ant_work: RF is not dangerous, unless you touch the wrong wires ;)
  • [09:57:27] <mru> true for most things
  • [09:57:32] <mrpackethead> KotH: i work a much shorter wavelngths
  • [09:57:59] <mrpackethead> 400-600nm is where i like to play
  • [09:58:37] <KotH> mrpackethead: add 10um for additional fun ;)
  • [09:58:47] <mrpackethead> Micrometers
  • [09:59:00] <mrpackethead> nah, sorry we dont' have rulers that big
  • [10:01:28] <KotH> but it rules! especilly if it's 10kW of power :)
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  • [10:06:56] <dm8tbr> QRO!
  • [10:08:28] <KotH> :-)
  • [10:09:45] <panto> back
  • [10:10:10] <KotH> hey greek guy!
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  • [10:11:19] <panto> hi turkish guy
  • [10:11:38] <panto> XorA, I have no idea why the hardware guys like ACPI
  • [10:11:46] <panto> maybe because they never deal with the fallout
  • [10:11:50] <mrpackethead> finding some fun today with the BBB
  • [10:12:04] <mrpackethead> audio, 3.8 kernel
  • [10:12:13] <mrpackethead> not entirely sure what the problem is yet
  • [10:12:20] <panto> define audio
  • [10:12:27] <panto> mcasp? or something else
  • [10:12:37] <mrpackethead> got a audio cape
  • [10:12:54] <mrpackethead> system worked flawlessly in 3.2 kernal on a BBW
  • [10:13:12] <mru> 3.2 was a good one
  • [10:13:42] <mrpackethead> audio out is fine
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  • [10:13:51] <mrpackethead> audio in, is problematic
  • [10:13:58] <panto> like vintage whine^wine
  • [10:14:26] <panto> define problematic
  • [10:14:26] <mru> indeed, whining ain't what it used to be
  • [10:15:02] * KotH whines about customers changing specs on a daily basis
  • [10:15:03] <mru> now they twist everything into a gender issue and brand you a misogynist if you disagree
  • [10:15:20] <mrpackethead> KotH: thats why you have a specification document
  • [10:15:24] <mrpackethead> and a change control process
  • [10:15:30] <mrpackethead> we allow changes
  • [10:15:38] <mrpackethead> each one, gets looked at
  • [10:15:40] <XorA> panto: ASL does look like the sort of aweful C code hardware guys tend to write
  • [10:15:53] <mrpackethead> we reply with a $$$ and tiem figure
  • [10:16:11] <mrpackethead> does'nt take long to get your clients trained
  • [10:16:19] <KotH> mrpackethead: i dont mind change, most stuff is easy to do and doesnt cost, if we'd knew at the beginning
  • [10:16:32] <KotH> mrpackethead: customer is a startup, they need to be trained in a lot of things
  • [10:16:34] <mrpackethead> yes, exactly.
  • [10:16:46] <mrpackethead> yes.
  • [10:16:48] <KotH> like "how to do a medical project"
  • [10:17:09] <KotH> at least they used our Q docs template
  • [10:17:18] <mrpackethead> Q docs?
  • [10:17:21] <KotH> instead of reinventing their own wheel
  • [10:17:26] <KotH> quality assurance
  • [10:17:32] <mrpackethead> ahh
  • [10:17:44] <KotH> if you do medical, every step of the design and production process has to be documented
  • [10:18:02] <mrpackethead> if you do enterainment industy
  • [10:18:05] <mrpackethead> we are rough cowboys
  • [10:18:10] <mrpackethead> we dont' document anything
  • [10:18:17] <mrpackethead> and we use gaffa tape
  • [10:18:26] <mrpackethead> and silicone
  • [10:18:39] <KotH> at least you are not physicists, who use tin foil to fix everything
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  • [10:19:03] <XorA> KotH: a good hat fixes all
  • [10:19:04] <mrpackethead> KotH: oddly, physics is what i studied
  • [10:19:08] <KotH> anways.. lunch time
  • [10:19:12] <mrpackethead> at uni-da-ver-city
  • [10:19:19] <mrpackethead> lunch? a chocolate muffin.
  • [10:19:24] <KotH> mrpackethead: do you carry a rol of tin foil with you, wherever you go?
  • [10:19:34] <mru> XorA: what kind of hat? pointy, tin-foil, or red?
  • [10:19:42] <mrpackethead> youd' get arrested here if you did that
  • [10:19:46] <mrpackethead> they woudl think you are selling dope
  • [10:19:54] <KotH> lol
  • [10:20:05] <mru> people smoke tin foil now?
  • [10:20:09] <mrpackethead> i have to say, when i visited .ch for the first time in 2000
  • [10:20:13] <XorA> mru: they are not neccessarluly mutually exclusive :-D
  • [10:20:18] <mrpackethead> dope was legal
  • [10:20:26] <XorA> *shame* at spelling
  • [10:20:32] <mrpackethead> big plantations on the side of the road
  • [10:20:43] <mrpackethead> people had it growing in pots on the balcony
  • [10:20:44] <KotH> actually, dope is not legal in .ch
  • [10:20:46] <KotH> never was
  • [10:20:56] <KotH> but it nearly would have been
  • [10:21:01] <mrpackethead> really, um, then ignored?
  • [10:21:25] <KotH> unless you sell it big times, nobody cares
  • [10:21:38] <KotH> anyways.. food awaits me!
  • [10:21:45] <mrpackethead> in 2000, in interlaken it was everywhere
  • [10:21:45] * KotH rides of into the sunset
  • [10:21:58] <mrpackethead> interlaken = swiss party town
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  • [11:14:28] <KotH> mrpackethead: z?rich is much more party town
  • [11:14:36] <KotH> mrpackethead: interlaken is mostly an expensive tourist town
  • [11:14:58] <KotH> mrpackethead: and home of "the last puff before the jungfrau" :)
  • [11:15:40] <mrpackethead> I much perfer Lauterbrunnen;
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  • [11:19:17] <KotH> well, going up the mountains, of the beaten tourist tracks/traps is always a good idea
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  • [11:30:17] <exosyst> I grabbed the SRM and am trying to see what pinmux settings I need to get hold of uSD BOOT/S2 - where's the *big* 1000+ page reference manual?
  • [11:30:33] <exosyst> I can't find it on the wiki or the main beagleboard.org site?
  • [11:34:42] <panto> Technical Reference Manual - Texas Instruments
  • [11:34:47] <panto> https://www.google.com/search?q=am335x+technical+reference+manual&oq=am335x+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3j69i62l2.2965j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#
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  • [11:35:01] <panto> http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/spruh73h/spruh73h.pdf
  • [11:35:22] <bradfa> moaning, channel
  • [11:35:32] <kfoltman> whining, bradfa
  • [11:35:33] <exosyst> panto, Thanks - I was googling like a boss and had found that but didn't know if that was the correct resource.
  • [11:35:35] <mru> mourning, bradfa
  • [11:35:37] <jackmitchell> morning, bradfa
  • [11:35:46] <panto> hi bradfa
  • [11:35:55] <panto> what are we mourning today?
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  • [11:36:02] <jackmitchell> aren't we a friendly bunch today
  • [11:36:03] <bradfa> panto, lack of sleeps
  • [11:36:11] <panto> kidlet?
  • [11:36:14] <bradfa> yes
  • [11:36:17] <bradfa> screaming kidlet
  • [11:36:19] <panto> congrats
  • [11:36:25] <mru> why would anyone want one of those?
  • [11:36:33] <bradfa> well, she's turning 2 this weekend, still screams
  • [11:36:35] <kfoltman> mru: for food?
  • [11:36:46] <bradfa> kfoltman, before bed and upon waking
  • [11:36:46] <jackmitchell> for benefits?
  • [11:37:07] <bradfa> mru, apparently there's reasons
  • [11:37:08] <mru> kfoltman: it takes years to train them in hunting
  • [11:37:12] <mru> hardly worth the effort
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  • [11:37:18] <kfoltman> mru: who said hunting?
  • [11:37:24] <kfoltman> eat 'em while they're young
  • [11:37:28] <exosyst> I've got one of those kidlet things - messy little things that intrude in my geeking time
  • [11:37:55] * bradfa wishes he had more geeking time...
  • [11:38:19] <mru> bradfa: your only hope is turning the kid into a geek
  • [11:38:19] <exosyst> mine's 2.5 now. It gets better :D
  • [11:38:24] <kfoltman> bradfa: my daughter is 7, so I *do* get some geeking time now
  • [11:38:38] <mru> kfoltman: is she a geek yet?
  • [11:38:45] <bradfa> mru, that's my plan, she already likes hitting things with a plastic hammer
  • [11:38:51] <kfoltman> mru: no, she doesn't seem to be a geek material
  • [11:38:55] <bradfa> I might get a carpenter out of her, yet~
  • [11:39:03] <bradfa> build me some nice furniture
  • [11:39:06] <mru> bradfa: get her a soldering iron
  • [11:39:17] <bradfa> mru, in a few years :)
  • [11:39:18] <exosyst> So she's gonna be a geek based on that... or a carpenter... or Misss Peter Sutcliffe?
  • [11:39:36] * mru remembers playing with discarded punch cards
  • [11:39:48] <bradfa> exosyst, she likes hammers and doctor kit toys more than dolls so we're headed in a good direction
  • [11:40:18] <bradfa> and running, lots and lots of running
  • [11:40:33] <exosyst> bradfa, Mine likes playing on the tablet and nerf guns and yes.. oh so much running and noise!
  • [11:40:48] <bradfa> exosyst, yes, tablets are toddler crack
  • [11:41:03] <kfoltman> bradfa: I agree
  • [11:41:11] <bradfa> most fun is watching them try to swipe to unlock a big screen tv
  • [11:41:41] * bradfa goes to google proper age to introduce arduino...
  • [11:41:44] <mru> aaaah, the hand prints!!!
  • [11:41:52] <exosyst> my dad got so used to his iPhone, he tries that on normal non-touch laptops now... it's not just toddlers who have that expectation. It's the nigh on senile too
  • [11:42:05] <bradfa> mru, we have hand prints on EVERYTHING
  • [11:42:09] <bradfa> and food
  • [11:42:14] <bradfa> food on everything
  • [11:42:39] <bradfa> thankfully her car seat stays in my wife's car mostly, that car smells
  • [11:42:39] <mru> a friend of mine sometimes brings her ~6-month daughter over
  • [11:42:44] <mru> she's already getting dangerous
  • [11:42:45] <kfoltman> bradfa: "a proper age to introduce BBB" :P
  • [11:42:56] <exosyst> Get the toilet training stuff done (2years, 4 months mine was good so start early!) and you get much more contiguous time for geeking
  • [11:43:20] <bradfa> exosyst, will keep in mind!
  • [11:43:49] <kfoltman> potty/toilet training - as early as possible, really
  • [11:44:02] <mru> do shock collars work for that purpose?
  • [11:44:03] <kfoltman> preferably before the baby starts walking
  • [11:44:12] <bradfa> mru, I'm sure they work fine :)
  • [11:44:19] <exosyst> kfoltman, that... that's a thing?
  • [11:44:37] <kfoltman> exosyst: ?
  • [11:44:45] <exosyst> trained before walking?
  • [11:44:56] <kfoltman> well, *started* training
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  • [11:45:23] <exosyst> They walk early... in fact mine combined walking while crapping. It was.. uh... not good.
  • [11:45:32] <kfoltman> exosyst: that was sorta my point
  • [11:45:58] <exosyst> kfoltman, I shall try that next time. Well, if there's a next time.
  • [11:46:06] <kfoltman> these days, they make pampers up to like 4 years of age or so, but that's just for super-lazy/super-busy parents/unusually difficult children I suppose
  • [11:46:24] <kfoltman> exosyst: A next time (or even a first time) is often a problem these days.
  • [11:47:00] <SpeedEvil> Appropriately pointed camera to detect a 'movement' - and then sound a large alarm.
  • [11:47:09] <SpeedEvil> Actually - that may not quite have the desired effect.
  • [11:47:25] <KotH> kfoltman: 4y???
  • [11:47:45] <kfoltman> KotH: I'm not sure if I'm even exaggerating
  • [11:47:55] <kfoltman> it's mad
  • [11:47:55] <KotH> kfoltman: i'd say, if you cannot potty train your child by then, then they should take custody of that child away from you
  • [11:48:14] <SpeedEvil> Some children unfortunately continue to require them up to adulthood.
  • [11:48:27] <exosyst> KotH, kfoltman mmm hmm, my friend has a wife who wants the kid to do it in her own time and absolutely goes over the top... 4 years old this March, still dumps her pants :-/
  • [11:48:35] <KotH> SpeedEvil: i'm not talking about ill children
  • [11:48:54] <exosyst> qualifier - there's nothing wrong with her. Apart from maybe being a bit clingy
  • [11:48:54] <KotH> exosyst: oh.. these kind of parents...
  • [11:49:15] <KotH> exosyst: probably "non-violence" parents too
  • [11:49:25] <kfoltman> KotH: the parents of that particular child weren't... not that bright people (not junkies/white trash, just not that smart), so I suppose there may be some bad genetics involved
  • [11:49:29] <mru> http://theoatmeal.com/pl/minor_differences4/kids
  • [11:49:35] * KotH hates those non-violence types with passion
  • [11:49:51] * kfoltman is a non-XML parent
  • [11:49:58] <exosyst> KotH, I dont know about - my kid hasn't had a smack *ever* and she's golden. We do however have the naughty step.
  • [11:50:07] <KotH> kfoltman: genetics is not involved. it's just socio-cultural background
  • [11:50:35] <exosyst> heh - smack is such a kiddish word
  • [11:50:40] <KotH> exosyst: you dont need to hit your kid to educate it well, but you need to find a way to tell it that it went overboard
  • [11:50:46] <KotH> exosyst: and sometimes that's a smack
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  • [11:51:05] <KotH> exosyst: also, some kids do not get it otherwise...
  • [11:51:16] <kfoltman> KotH: well, they weren't trying early enough, so it may be parents' fault, but might not as well; it was... quite extreme, I'll spare you the stories
  • [11:51:25] <mru> KotH: have av500 shout at them
  • [11:51:36] <mru> if that doesn't work, nothing will
  • [11:51:40] <KotH> mru: killing children is not ok either ;)
  • [11:51:50] <exosyst> raised voice time + naughty step works fine on mine. I hate to see kids that flinch whenever their parent goes near them
  • [11:52:23] <exosyst> getting whacked as a kid just taught me to avoid getting whacked - I was still a dick, just never got caught and hid stuff from my parents
  • [11:52:40] <mru> all kids hide stuff
  • [11:52:43] <mru> or so they believe
  • [11:52:44] <kfoltman> it all depends on a child anyway, there are some kids that seem to be "unreformable", possibly a mental illness cooking in some instances
  • [11:52:58] <KotH> exosyst: same here same here
  • [11:53:13] <KotH> exosyst: i didnt get hit often, but when i did, i usally deserved it
  • [11:53:14] * mru would not attempt reforming KotH
  • [11:53:31] <kfoltman> biology is a bitch
  • [11:53:35] <KotH> mru: i'm not _that_ dangerous
  • [11:53:39] <KotH> mru: mostly ;)
  • [11:54:32] <kfoltman> if you try too hard, you might just get sent into space or something
  • [11:54:41] <kfoltman> in a nice block of thick 98% chocolate
  • [11:55:18] <KotH> kfoltman: i'm a nurture over nature guy, so imho children are not "unreformable", it's often just something that went wrong in their early childhood or using the wrong tool (every child is different)
  • [11:55:37] <KotH> kfoltman: preferably: send to space in a nice block of thick 98% chocolate
  • [11:55:38] <kfoltman> KotH: well, unfortunately, it's not either/or, it's nurture AND nature
  • [11:55:48] * KotH agrees
  • [11:56:26] <KotH> but i will argue with anyone, who tells me that they couldn't do anything about their child, because it's in its nature
  • [11:56:33] <kfoltman> KotH: as in, in rare instances a child with ideal parents grows up to be a sociopath just because of some viral infection wrecking some brain pathway or, say, being exposed to meth by accident
  • [11:56:42] <exosyst> My kid infuriates my ex and I find her incredibly easy to deal with - she's basically a clone of me though so I just talk to how her how I'd want to be talked to. I'd be screwed if she had her mums personality haha
  • [11:56:56] <exosyst> kfoltman, How do you get accidentally methed?
  • [11:57:20] <KotH> exosyst: does she grow up with you?
  • [11:57:21] <kfoltman> exosyst: say, at school in a bad area?
  • [11:57:56] <kfoltman> KotH: my step-son, he's got a nasty case of ADHD and dyslexia, spent like 3 years trying to help him learn... IQ<90, his short term memory is almost non-existent, but he's likeable so he's somewhat coping with life
  • [11:58:04] <kfoltman> *learn to read
  • [11:58:22] <exosyst> KotH, not overly these days but yeah, first two years but I worked a lot more
  • [11:58:30] <kfoltman> KotH: but he's a fairly extreme case
  • [11:58:36] <kfoltman> not a sociopath, luckily
  • [11:58:47] <exosyst> kfoltman, Ah - I thought you meant toddlers still. I was wondering how I meth proofed my house
  • [11:59:42] <KotH> kfoltman: that would then be one of the rare real cases of ADHD
  • [11:59:48] <kfoltman> exosyst: but, say, food factory-contaminated with some toxic industrial stuff might have similar effect, or even a medicine factory-contaminated with Desoxyn (if they still manufacture it)
  • [12:01:49] <kfoltman> KotH: and people who are working with children with ADHD say that they've seen even more extreme cases
  • [12:02:07] <mdp> bradfa, ping
  • [12:02:08] <kfoltman> KotH: but, seriously, in his case, it's clearly hardware not working - I'm not talking behaviour, I'm talking cognitive skills
  • [12:03:44] <KotH> kfoltman: yeah.. get that.. it's just that i've seen way too many normal children labled as ADHD, just because a teacher or a parent couldnt deal with a kid that is more active than others
  • [12:04:33] <KotH> kfoltman: and then they give them ritalin to make them "behave" ^^'
  • [12:04:36] <kfoltman> KotH: is it a common occurrence in .ch? I thought it was a mostly US-specific phenomenon
  • [12:05:12] <KotH> kfoltman: i've seen it in .tr as well. i guess it's a common occurence everywhere in the world, where parents dont have enough time or too much money
  • [12:05:53] <kfoltman> Koth: well, but ritalin is not so bad - he's been on Concerta (essentially, slow-release ritalin) and it seems to have helped him with homework and general concentration, expensive stuff though
  • [12:05:57] <KotH> kfoltman: also because people (parents and teachers) fail at training proper respect to children, because of this non-violence BS
  • [12:06:04] <bradfa> mdp, pong
  • [12:06:27] <kfoltman> KotH: I think it's more non-respect than non-violence
  • [12:06:39] <KotH> kfoltman: i'm not saying ritalin is bad per se, but use it where it should be used
  • [12:06:42] <kfoltman> sure
  • [12:06:55] <kfoltman> It's not overused in Poland just because it's super-expensive
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  • [12:07:18] <KotH> kfoltman: i dunno... at some point, you have to teach your child that there are boundaries that should not be crossed, lest he/she wants to deal with the consequences
  • [12:07:19] <kfoltman> (well, that's bad logical reasoning)
  • [12:07:32] <kfoltman> KotH: sure
  • [12:07:35] <KotH> kfoltman: and i dont see how you can do that without at least some form of violence
  • [12:07:41] <kfoltman> KotH: depends on the child
  • [12:08:23] <kfoltman> KotH: it's just that some people think "bruising the poor kid" as "some violence, meh" and the society over-reacted
  • [12:09:00] <kfoltman> violence, like XML, should be used as last resort :P
  • [12:09:18] <mdp> bradfa, dunno if you caught my brief update last night, but I solved my clearance issue here by dropping the BBB and Bacon Cape in the CCO Cape breakout board I have
  • [12:09:36] <exosyst> KotH, I think retreating to a threat to violence should be last resource. I could't imagine how disappointed my daughter would look if her daddy smacked her.
  • [12:09:40] <mdp> that's a useful tool if you have one
  • [12:09:53] <bradfa> mdp, yes
  • [12:10:00] <KotH> exosyst: i totally agree
  • [12:10:20] <bradfa> mdp, I have one, I'll give that a try to grab some logic scans
  • [12:10:29] <mdp> http://beagleboardtoys.info/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Breakout for those following along at home
  • [12:10:53] <bradfa> mine gets almost daily use for our cape
  • [12:11:04] <bradfa> very worthwhile investment
  • [12:11:19] <KotH> exosyst: on the other hand, i've seen turkish schools in the 90s, where the teacher used to throw a bundle of keys at you, if you didnt listen to his warnings
  • [12:11:22] <mdp> bradfa, yeah, it was helpful when I had 3 different breadboards hooked up plus a cape and needed to probe stuff
  • [12:11:39] <bradfa> mdp, will also be very useful if I ever get around to doing my cc1101 driver...
  • [12:11:41] <KotH> exosyst: and i dont think the people there turned into psychopaths or have mental problems because of that
  • [12:11:54] <exosyst> KotH true - then you just end up with kids like Bush who learn to dodge stuff that adults throw
  • [12:12:03] <KotH> *g*
  • [12:12:25] <exosyst> ah.. and you had to follow that with the mental problems line lol
  • [12:13:27] <kfoltman> KotH: well, but it kinda creates an acceptance for using violence as a general problem solver
  • [12:13:53] <KotH> kfoltman: interestingly, imho turkish people are less violent than swiss
  • [12:14:12] <KotH> kfoltman: knowing what violence does, is a good deterend against using it
  • [12:14:34] <KotH> kfoltman: on the other hand, defending against a swiss who turns violent is a lot easier than defending against a turkish ;)
  • [12:14:51] <kfoltman> I don't know many swiss *or* turkish people, alas
  • [12:16:37] <KotH> kfoltman: hint: if a turkish goes berserk infront of you: run!
  • [12:16:40] <KotH> :)
  • [12:17:14] <kfoltman> KotH: I think that generally extends to $_ going berserk ;)
  • [12:18:47] <KotH> kfoltman: nah... if it's a swiss, just hit him before he hits you
  • [12:20:16] <panto> paging felipebalbi
  • [12:23:54] <exosyst> where's the source code for BB-BONELT-HDMIN kept? I might be being really dumb but I'm trying to understand how I can get hold of S2
  • [12:24:18] <panto> in the kernel
  • [12:24:21] <panto> firmware/capes
  • [12:24:24] <exosyst> and seeing as lcd_data2 is the same line it must be something kernelly
  • [12:24:43] <koen> git grep BB-BONELT-HDMIN
  • [12:24:51] <panto> using S2 is hard
  • [12:24:57] <exosyst> panto, Ah, the file name is different
  • [12:25:06] <panto> that switch is only useful as boot selector
  • [12:25:13] <exosyst> panto, I'm getting that vibe - why's that?
  • [12:25:14] <panto> anyway, lunch time is here
  • [12:25:32] <exosyst> gaddamit!
  • [12:25:52] <koen> do a 'git grep BB-BONELT-HDMIN' in the kernel source and the answer should become clear
  • [12:26:08] <exosyst> koen, doesn't your flasher use that switch tho?
  • [12:26:27] <koen> flasher doesn't use any switches
  • [12:26:47] <kfoltman> panto: why is it only useful as boot selector?
  • [12:26:52] <exosyst> bugger - i must have misremembered
  • [12:27:03] <exosyst> The one switch on the board I thought I might be able to use :(
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  • [12:27:29] <kfoltman> I have a similar problem - need something to trigger device shutdown
  • [12:27:57] <koen> kfoltman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNXr67BplJM
  • [12:28:00] <exosyst> kfoltman, I wanted to be able to demonstrate a kernel driver grabbing an interrupt :(
  • [12:28:28] <kfoltman> koen: which kernel version?
  • [12:28:36] <koen> 3.8.x
  • [12:28:39] <kfoltman> any?
  • [12:29:02] <kfoltman> I might have missed it because I avoid the GUI at all cost ;)
  • [12:29:14] <exosyst> koen, Can I grab S1/S3 easier then? I don't mind which
  • [12:29:16] <koen> it sends a KEY_POWER event to userspace
  • [12:29:25] <koen> no GUI needed, just something to catch that event
  • [12:29:26] <kfoltman> koen: so it can be captured via inittab or something?
  • [12:29:35] <koen> dunno
  • [12:29:38] <koen> I don't use inittab
  • [12:29:50] <kfoltman> my use case doesn't warrant systemd really
  • [12:30:03] <exosyst> as in, could I grab it as an irq? I'm guessing something does that already right in order to gen the event?
  • [12:30:26] <kfoltman> koen: anyway, I'll keep looking - perhaps I can handle it from within my app
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  • [12:30:40] <kfoltman> koen: at least I know what to look for, thanks!
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  • [12:36:52] <exosyst> I've got a 3.8.13 kernel - is the setting done in the firmware blob as a grep doesn't reveal anything generating a KEY_POWER event that looks relevant to the BBB support?
  • [12:38:41] <kfoltman> exosyst: the generic 3.8.13 kernel or the BBB 3.8.13 kernel?
  • [12:38:57] <exosyst> kfoltman, The BBB one from github
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  • [12:41:57] <WILLschool> Hi. How can I port forward to my BBB on my router without making my router's settings page (port 80 ) inaccessible?
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  • [12:42:24] <kfoltman> WILLschool: we don't know your router
  • [12:43:13] <Piotr_> Hi all, what is the best choice for getting started with ARM architecture? BeagleBone, or BeagleBone black? Or maybe other choice?
  • [12:43:59] <kfoltman> Piotr_: BBB is fine for getting started
  • [12:44:04] <XorA> Shoulderboard ;-)
  • [12:46:18] <WILLschool> kfoltman: I know how to port forward on it. I was just wondering if I try and set up a webserver, will it confilct with the router's web setup?
  • [12:46:33] <ant_work> put the server on port 81
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  • [12:46:56] <kfoltman> WILLschool: from inside or outside?
  • [12:47:22] <WILLschool> Well, from the inside I'd want access to the router.
  • [12:47:31] <WILLschool> And from the outside the BBB
  • [12:47:56] <WILLschool> It's just so I can write programs on it at school.
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  • [12:48:22] <WILLschool> I get very bbored in this library.
  • [12:52:41] <WILLschool> [A
  • [12:54:16] <kfoltman> That depends on the router, but it sounds like a typical scenario.
  • [12:54:32] <kfoltman> It should be able to handle it.
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  • [12:56:07] <exosyst> kfoltman, Did you see how the PWR_BUT event comes in btw? My understanding is it generates the interrupt which is handled by the TPS65217C part which is what handles creation of the KEY_POWER event
  • [12:56:23] <exosyst> Annoyingly I don't think that's something I can use :(
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  • [12:56:28] <kfoltman> exosyst: haven't looked at the schematic, no
  • [12:56:40] <kfoltman> exosyst: but TPS65217 has a bunch of GPIOs on its own, maybe that's one of them
  • [12:57:11] <kfoltman> I mean, there might be nothing special about it other than that it uses GPIO on a separate chip
  • [12:57:14] <exosyst> kfoltman, Well it goes to Pin 9 on the P9 header but doesn't seem to go anywhere else
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  • [13:06:55] <georgem> I was never able to get the interrupts to work on the TPS65910 on the phyCore-am335x. Not sure if anyone has interrupts working on the BB w/ TPS65217.
  • [13:08:35] <exosyst> I only want to use it as an example of how to request interrupts in the kernel using the device tree format - it works fine to add a pr_info("IT WORKS!\n") to :D
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  • [13:25:39] <koen> georgem: tps interupts work, that's how the power button functions on BBB
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  • [13:26:50] <panto> back
  • [13:26:53] <exosyst> georgem, Add a pr_info("I'm an interrupt\n"); to drivers/mfd/tps65217.c @ line 192
  • [13:27:08] <exosyst> and watch in amazement at the interrupty goodness
  • [13:27:14] <georgem> koen: oh, ok. good to know. not sure what problem I was having with the TPS65910. I got the RTC in it working with the exception of the alarms which were interrupt based.
  • [13:27:36] <exosyst> though - i'd love to have a better example for student that didn't involve a recompile of the kernel :(
  • [13:28:07] <georgem> exosyst: you could probably do a simple kprobe to add a message like that
  • [13:29:39] <exosyst> georgem, True but I don't cover that on the course as it's long enough (5 days) as it is!. It would be nice to grab a GPIO, request_irq and allow them to insmod/rmmod as they wish. Very useful for understanding things.
  • [13:29:43] <exosyst> myself included haha
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  • [13:34:14] <georgem> Now that I think about, I don't recall seeing interrupt configuration for tps65217 in device tree for BBB.
  • [13:34:47] <exosyst> georgem, there's a bit in the am335x-bone-common.dtsi - have a look at the tps section
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  • [13:36:10] <georgem> exosyst: I don't see any, this kernel isn't up to date though. I'll pull koen's latest 3.8 down and check it.
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  • [13:46:14] <exosyst> here's a quick one before I dig through the datasheets - GPIO1_7 - is anything using it by default?
  • [13:47:43] <panto> grep gpio1_7 firmware/capes/*.dts will tell you
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  • [13:50:40] <exosyst> booooom, DVI
  • [13:50:42] <exosyst> dammit
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  • [14:17:10] <KotH> exosyst: your DVI port exploded?
  • [14:19:43] <KotH> hmm.. someone killed them mru network
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  • [14:20:53] <exosyst> KotH, Nah, just another pin I wanted to use that's being used by something else.
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  • [14:21:14] <exosyst> Is the DVI a built-in (how do I check this?) and do I need to disable it from optargs?
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  • [14:25:37] <alexo> does anyone know how big a AM3359 is?
  • [14:25:42] <alexo> imean size
  • [14:26:56] <teralaser> yes
  • [14:27:42] <KotH> alexo: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/lojban_translated.png
  • [14:27:55] <teralaser> there are 2 sizes available ZCE and ZCZ
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  • [14:28:38] <alexo> whis is the smallest chip tera?
  • [14:28:56] <teralaser> ZCE
  • [14:29:31] <alexo> how is the size of the chip?
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  • [14:30:13] <KotH> alexo: why dont you read the datasheet of the chip?
  • [14:30:13] <exosyst> 20mm x 20mm
  • [14:30:23] <KotH> alexo: it explains you all this and more!
  • [14:30:33] <exosyst> approx.
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  • [14:31:00] <KotH> additionally, you can have all ti chips also in bare die
  • [14:31:05] <KotH> which is much smaller
  • [14:31:10] <KotH> and also cheaper
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  • [14:31:23] <teralaser> ZCZ is 15.10mm x 15.10mm x 1.4mm , ZCE is 13.10 x 13.10 x 1.3mm
  • [14:31:40] <teralaser> for some reason the package info on the ti site is well hidden, heh
  • [14:31:41] <alexo> wow thats small enough for my project thanks for helping tera ;)
  • [14:31:50] <teralaser> don't pick the small one
  • [14:31:56] <teralaser> it's hairy to layout
  • [14:31:57] <alexo> why?
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  • [14:32:11] <alexo> oh i see
  • [14:32:12] <teralaser> you need HDI and/or buried/hidden vias
  • [14:32:34] <KotH> HDI?
  • [14:32:39] <KotH> i doubt you need burried vias
  • [14:33:00] <teralaser> blind sorry
  • [14:33:05] <alexo> yes its difficult to wire if its too small
  • [14:33:16] <KotH> well...
  • [14:33:30] <KotH> 20 rows of 0.65mm pitch bga...
  • [14:33:39] <KotH> you only need an 8 layer print for that
  • [14:33:50] <KotH> er.. 9 layer
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  • [14:34:24] <teralaser> well, ymmv
  • [14:34:35] * KotH has once seen a 36 layer board
  • [14:34:42] <alexo> that would be a pain in the ass
  • [14:34:44] <KotH> nothing has me shocked ever since
  • [14:35:03] <KotH> alexo: read the datasheet before designing anything
  • [14:35:07] <teralaser> I just shipped a layout for the ZCZ, and I am greatfull I didnt have to do 0.65mm.
  • [14:35:16] <KotH> alexo: if you dont read it, i will guarantee, that you'll fail
  • [14:35:36] <alexo> :o i see
  • [14:35:56] <KotH> teralaser: what pitch does that have?
  • [14:36:08] <teralaser> the balls ? 0.8mm
  • [14:36:36] <KotH> luxury!
  • [14:36:39] <KotH> :-)
  • [14:37:08] <panto> the two welshmen of EE design?
  • [14:38:15] <KotH> nah, just making fun of noobs :)
  • [14:39:23] <teralaser> the guy who made the beaglebone white seemed to have been quite a noob
  • [14:39:27] <teralaser> but maybe that's just me
  • [14:39:38] <teralaser> at least the schematic
  • [14:39:42] <alexo> =)
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  • [14:40:04] * KotH never had a look at it
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  • [14:54:02] <alexo> so does anyone know where i can buy a am3359
  • [14:54:29] <alexo> the 'buy' button in ti is nt working
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  • [14:55:43] <KotH> alexo: try findchips.com
  • [14:57:12] <alexo> thz koth
  • [14:57:29] <KotH> alexo: it's _K_ot_H_
  • [14:57:36] <KotH> alexo: capitalization is important ;-)
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  • [14:58:16] <alexo> sorry ;-)
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  • [14:59:04] <gui_> fala galera! o/
  • [14:59:08] <jackmitchell> KotH: King of the Hill? ;)
  • [14:59:10] <gui_> i mean, hi! o/
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  • [14:59:41] <gui_> Kernel of the Hill
  • [14:59:59] <alexo> lol
  • [15:00:22] <mdp> stop..KotH can't handle this verbal abuse
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  • [15:00:38] * KotH runs away crying
  • [15:00:52] * jackmitchell there, there Hank, it's ok
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  • [15:01:26] <kfoltman> Kid of the 'Hood?
  • [15:02:02] <gui_> it's pointless to keep this after he ran away
  • [15:02:08] <kfoltman> Knee on the Head?
  • [15:02:16] <alexo> https://www.verical.com/partID/513535#searchCriterion=mpnIDs&searchName=&landingPage=catalogItemView&searchTerm=513535&_i_=1
  • [15:02:26] <alexo> no origin?
  • [15:02:50] <alexo> i mean country
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  • [15:04:50] <KotH> alexo: shurter? that's relais, or switches, not SoC's
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  • [15:05:13] <explanationssaim> hello
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  • [15:05:31] <KotH> alexo: and schurter is swiss
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  • [15:05:50] <WILLschool> Where in the UK can I buy a BBB power adaptor?
  • [15:05:50] <KotH> alexo: though i'd say production is mostly far east these days
  • [15:05:54] <teralaser> alexo : They (AM335x) are a little hard to come by, make sure you get Rev.B
  • [15:05:57] <explanationssaim> has anyone tried to boot OS from a USB?
  • [15:06:12] <teralaser> no, but I would like to try that
  • [15:06:14] <victoria__> hello
  • [15:06:17] <KotH> WILLschool: next electronics shop
  • [15:06:28] <jackmitchell> WILLschool: I get mine from RS
  • [15:06:40] <victoria__> i was wondering if anyone could tell me how to edit a project page that I just uploaded to the beagleboard site
  • [15:06:48] <KotH> explanationssaim: afaik you cannot directly boot from usb, you can load kernel and rootfs from there, but the boodloader must com from emmc or sdcard
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  • [15:06:53] <WILLschool> geez it's 20 quid
  • [15:06:54] <jackmitchell> WILLschool: GS18A05-P1J
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  • [15:08:03] <victoria__> hello
  • [15:08:12] <Willdude123> Just received a power supply with the wrong kinda connector.
  • [15:08:16] <Willdude123> SO damn annoyed.
  • [15:08:31] <jackmitchell> Willdude123: the connector you need is PJ1
  • [15:08:41] <jackmitchell> Willdude123: P1J, sorry
  • [15:08:43] <Willdude123> God ?16 is wayy expensive.
  • [15:08:53] <jackmitchell> Willdude123: use a USB and wall wart then
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  • [15:09:01] <jackmitchell> ~5
  • [15:09:53] <Willdude123> jackmitchell: It didn't work over usb, not enough amps for the usb host.
  • [15:10:27] <jackmitchell> Willdude123: ah, yeah you have to get a power supply then, or power it via the header with a desktop power supply
  • [15:10:34] <jackmitchell> Willdude123: http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/desktop-power-supply/6783919/?origin=PSF_430701|alt
  • [15:10:40] <jackmitchell> that one might be applicable too
  • [15:10:44] <jackmitchell> slightly cheaper
  • [15:11:16] <Willdude123> I bought a usb hub with the right kind of plug on it.
  • [15:11:29] <Willdude123> For like a fiver.
  • [15:11:44] <Willdude123> So maybe I'll just buy another one.
  • [15:12:21] <explanationssaim> How would I go about booting from a USB instead of off the f2gb flash drive?
  • [15:12:37] <explanationssaim> just hit F2 or F12 when I start it up?
  • [15:12:54] <jackmitchell> Willdude123: well make sure the supply can give you enough amps
  • [15:13:17] <jackmitchell> I would expect most powered USB hubs to have a couple so you should be ok
  • [15:13:26] * KotH recomends one of these agilent power supplies
  • [15:13:34] <KotH> they give you enough AMPS!
  • [15:13:42] <KotH> ;)
  • [15:13:44] <jackmitchell> &&&&&&
  • [15:14:14] <explanationssaim> I got a 7 port Startech USB hub...it's the same size as the board maye a little wider
  • [15:14:17] <explanationssaim> was like 20 bucks
  • [15:14:41] <explanationssaim> I have read great reviews on it and supposedly no back feed....it was reduced from 49$ to like 18.99 plus shipping
  • [15:14:50] <jackmitchell> I think he's saying he's trying to buy a cheap USB hub, with the same power supply and connector that the beaglebone takes
  • [15:15:01] <jackmitchell> rather than buying a good USB hub
  • [15:15:11] <explanationssaim> there is a blue one that the raspberry guys are using
  • [15:15:29] <jackmitchell> does it have a P1J connector?
  • [15:15:44] <explanationssaim> don't know if it's cheap...sometimes cheap means it works cheap...then you have to buy another to replace it and have spent more money than if you just bought quality from the go
  • [15:16:22] <Willdude123> Will this work? http://dx.com/p/5v-1a-wall-power-adapter-for-scanner-surveillance-camera-more-uk-plug-5-5-x-2-1mm-155579?tc=GBP&utm_source=GoogleshoppingUK&utm_medium=CPC&utm_content=155579&utm_campaign=1402&gclid=CIO-19botrgCFQKWtAodCEcAww
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  • [15:18:03] <jackmitchell> if it's the right plug I would assume so, it's only 1A but it should be ok for powering an extra wifi/bluetooth dongle or something
  • [15:18:47] <old-papa-work> Ahh, Bluetooth... Dongle... You woke me up... Which should I use on the BBB Jack
  • [15:19:16] <jackmitchell> you want me to tell you if you should use a bluetooth or wifi dongle?
  • [15:19:27] <old-papa-work> Bluetooth.. :)
  • [15:19:42] <old-papa-work> Have you tried any or can you suggest
  • [15:20:03] <jackmitchell> I have not, any which work with Linux should work with the BBB
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  • [15:20:20] <old-papa-work> Ok, will look for linux type..
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  • [15:20:53] <old-papa-work> BBB will have a Can-Bus cape and Bluetooth.. Figure dongle be the way..
  • [15:21:20] <jackmitchell> Willdude123: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5V-UK-DC-Power-Supply-2A-2-1mm-AC-100-240V-Plug-PSU-Adapter-CCTV-/350824599378?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item51aec68f52
  • [15:21:41] <jackmitchell> you will have to double check the plug polarity but I think that one looks ok
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  • [15:22:15] <jackmitchell> and it doesn't need to be shipped from china/korea
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  • [15:22:48] <jackmitchell> it's also perfect for so many thing
  • [15:22:50] <jackmitchell> s
  • [15:23:04] <jackmitchell> "Perfect for so many things, powering LEDs, Controllers, CCTV Cameras, Commercial Electronics and so many other things."
  • [15:23:27] <gui_> when i was in college, i built my own power supply
  • [15:24:13] <KotH> when i was in college... wait, i never went to college ;-)
  • [15:24:33] * mru doesn't understand the 'college' thing
  • [15:24:36] <gui_> you could say "when I was in college, I was a visitor"
  • [15:24:40] <KotH> hey mru!
  • [15:24:52] <mdp> back in the day...
  • [15:24:52] <KotH> mru: did they sort our networking again?
  • [15:25:13] <mru> I was trying to fix the PSU in my router
  • [15:25:25] <mru> gave up and plugged in a differently broken one
  • [15:25:32] <KotH> eh..
  • [15:25:41] <KotH> mru: you had a routing loop earlier
  • [15:26:05] <mru> loop how?
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  • [15:26:45] <KotH> pingpong between 64.214.174.45 and 64.214.174.46
  • [15:27:06] <KotH> sometimes involving 64.214.174.17 as well
  • [15:27:17] <mru> hmm
  • [15:27:29] <mru> must have been related somehow to my router being offline
  • [15:27:48] <mru> since it coincided precisely in time, apparently
  • [15:28:16] <KotH> maybe
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  • [15:29:03] <KotH> have a nice evening
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  • [15:37:01] <yokotest1234> need some help for crosscompiling a library for beaglebone. I get following error during crosscompile:syslex.l:31:21: fatal error: sysinfo.h: No such file or directory compilation terminated. make[2]: *** [syslex.o] Error 1
  • [15:37:16] <yokotest1234> following is the config.log file : http://pastebin.com/eezqmJ9d
  • [15:37:27] <yokotest1234> and following is the install script : http://pastebin.com/fAErAqSQ
  • [15:37:36] <yokotest1234> any pointers?
  • [15:40:03] <yokotest1234> its basically a msp430-gcc toolchain to be run on the beaglebone,
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  • [15:47:10] <exosyst> OK, i'm being dumb - I figure I need to set gpio1_7 to mode 7 INPUT which by my reckoning means I need to add a line of 0x1c 0x2f to a pinctrl-single section in device tree?
  • [15:48:16] <exosyst> I boot up and get quite a sad backtrace from pin_request, pinmux_enable_settings and a few others. Ideas?
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  • [15:50:39] <exosyst> also - that's hilariously bad to have it crash when trying to do a device tree lookup non?
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  • [16:12:04] <gui_> 11h11
  • [16:12:08] <gui_> creepy
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  • [16:17:53] <das__> gui_: yet another reason to live in EU
  • [16:21:54] <gui_> why?
  • [16:22:18] <ogra_> it's beer'o clock here already :)
  • [16:22:36] <ogra_> isnt that reaon enough ?
  • [16:22:38] * XorA has finished his trip through zombie dos and ACPI for the day, time to bottle some beer
  • [16:22:44] <gui_> it's guaran?? 'o clock here
  • [16:22:45] <ogra_> ++
  • [16:23:24] <mru> iguana o'clock?
  • [16:23:38] <ogra_> guan'o clock ?
  • [16:23:47] <gui_> guaran??
  • [16:23:52] <_av500_> guam
  • [16:23:57] <das__> dafuq is that ?
  • [16:24:23] <gui_> it's a soft drink made from a fruit that grows in the Amazon region
  • [16:24:27] <Cournti> how can I figure out if I am running the image Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.06.17.img.xz or Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.06.06.img.xz I cant remember if I allready installed the latest version.
  • [16:24:34] <das__> is there no alcohol ?
  • [16:24:44] <gui_> nope
  • [16:24:51] <das__> what's the point then ?
  • [16:24:52] <ogra_> you can get it from amazon.com ?
  • [16:25:01] <gui_> yes ogra_
  • [16:25:08] <gui_> i bought a couple of bottles for $9
  • [16:25:14] <_av500_> amazomg!
  • [16:25:18] <ogra_> :)
  • [16:25:50] <gui_> das__ point is that some people don't drink alcohol
  • [16:26:01] <das__> mormons ?
  • [16:26:08] <_av500_> -m
  • [16:26:09] <gui_> not only
  • [16:26:15] <das__> they don't need alcohol they have romney
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  • [16:27:09] <ogra_> and multiple wives
  • [16:27:29] <gui_> besides, drinking guaran?? is a way to keep me close to my country
  • [16:27:41] <mru> how would anyone cope with more than one wife?
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  • [16:27:48] <ogra_> you mean you cant sit upright anymore after drinking it ?
  • [16:27:57] <das__> yeah, I barely cope with 0 so far ...
  • [16:28:00] <_av500_> mru: keep the physically separate
  • [16:28:04] <gui_> mru, just like one who copes with wife + affairs
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  • [16:28:16] <s[X]> Hey All
  • [16:28:19] <mru> gui_: that's different
  • [16:28:52] <ogra_> they usually dont meet each other ...
  • [16:29:20] <mranostay> are we talking about getting drunk?
  • [16:29:25] <gui_> yes ogra_, just like wife + affairs
  • [16:29:27] * mranostay signs up
  • [16:29:47] <ogra_> mranostay, drinking guano to lie on teh country
  • [16:29:53] <ogra_> or some such
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  • [16:29:59] <ogra_> bought at amazon
  • [16:30:14] <s[X]> Can anyone advise any issues against booting off uSD and dd'ing the Black eMMC to an IMG and then doing the process in reverse to restore it.
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  • [16:30:33] <_av500_> no
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  • [16:35:27] <gui_> ogra_ http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006DQOXTY/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
  • [16:35:43] <ogra_> you wont make me drink it :)
  • [16:35:49] * ogra_ is a coffee guy
  • [16:35:52] <gui_> they were at $9 as add-on item, now they're 15 :(
  • [16:36:00] <gui_> guaran?? gives more energy than coffee
  • [16:36:15] <mru> coffee doesn't contain much, if any, energy
  • [16:36:22] <mru> unless you add sugar
  • [16:37:01] * ogra_ uses coffee for staying awake, beer for the energy
  • [16:37:53] <_av500_> +1
  • [16:38:01] * _av500_ needs to send a kid to fecthc beer
  • [16:38:05] <_av500_> fetch
  • [16:38:43] <gui_> by energy i don't mean calories
  • [16:38:54] <dm8tbr> _av500_: you should recruit some minions ;)
  • [16:38:56] <ogra_> ah, thats where the mormons come into play ... having more wives can result in more kids to fetch the beer
  • [16:38:58] <gui_> i mean what keeps you awake, energetic
  • [16:39:10] <_av500_> the force
  • [16:39:23] <_av500_> dm8tbr: all at the beach
  • [16:39:32] * mru is an engineer
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  • [16:39:50] <mru> when I say energy I mean something measured in joules
  • [16:40:29] <das__> http://www.gnu.org/ghm/2013/paris/ talk is one month from now and the schedule is empty ...
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  • [16:41:35] <_av500_> ...Hurd recent developments ??? Samuel Thibault...
  • [16:41:44] <mru> no wonder it's empty
  • [16:41:51] <_av500_> I think that one is a constant
  • [16:42:05] <gui_> mru, i didn't know this conversation had reached this nerdy level :P
  • [16:42:19] <gui_> from now on, I'll be very careful regarding my units
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  • [16:43:23] <_av500_> move all units into defensive positions
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  • [16:48:56] <gui_> move all units into SI
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  • [16:49:23] <_av500_> no way
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  • [16:49:57] <gui_> yes
  • [16:50:04] <georgem> mru: Don't discriminate, kilowatt hours are units of energy too.
  • [16:50:19] <gui_> kilowatt is power energy
  • [16:50:26] <gui_> kilowatt-hour is energy
  • [16:50:34] <gui_> power unit*
  • [16:51:03] <mru> 1 kWh = 3.6 MJ
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  • [16:51:51] <_av500_> now, if I could get this yoghurt to power my cell phone
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  • [16:54:43] <gui_> not only we should all move to SI, i'd suggest using the proper word for current units in English
  • [16:54:59] <gui_> people should say amp??res and not amps
  • [16:55:09] <kfoltman> move to slovenia?
  • [16:55:34] <gui_> why slovenia?
  • [16:55:44] <ogra_> _av500_, apropos cellphone, did you stop using G+ completely ?
  • [16:56:00] * ogra_ misses the nice cultural touch in his stream
  • [16:56:02] <dm8tbr> ogra_: he's on a hiatus
  • [16:56:11] <gui_> andr?? amp??re was french, not slovenian
  • [16:56:12] <ogra_> dm8tbr, no reason :P
  • [16:56:25] <kfoltman> gui_: .si
  • [16:58:08] <gui_> i can cope with rebuilding the kernel 20 times in a day... but copying the files to the SD card takes friggin ages ????
  • [16:58:37] <georgem> gui_: Copying the kernel doesn't, you rewriting the entire card?
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  • [16:59:14] <gui_> umm.. yes. now I suppose i'm being stupid
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  • [16:59:44] <_SY_> hello
  • [17:00:07] <dm8tbr> gui_: and if you need rapid turn-around, load the kernel via UART or push it via USB
  • [17:01:45] <gui_> i'm not nerd enough to do that yet :S
  • [17:01:46] <georgem> gui_: depends what you're doing. If you're just making small changes you don't even need to do a full kernel build if you're build environment is setup right. Just copy uImage over each time or the kernel module file if the change is in a module.
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  • [17:01:52] <panto> gui_, root nfs is your friend
  • [17:02:30] <mru> any bets how long before lennart kills it?
  • [17:02:34] <georgem> meh, nfs is more trouble than its worth usually. Just scp your uImage
  • [17:02:41] <ogra_> mru, nfs ?
  • [17:02:48] <mru> nfsroot
  • [17:02:55] <ogra_> hasnt he already ?
  • [17:03:03] <mru> he has?
  • [17:03:15] <mru> it was supported in the last kernel I built
  • [17:03:19] <dm8tbr> replaced by cifsboot? ;)
  • [17:03:20] <ogra_> dunno, can you boot a systemd OS with nfsroot ?
  • [17:03:31] <mru> probably not
  • [17:03:35] <mru> but I don't care
  • [17:03:36] <gui_> i'm just playing with spi dts files
  • [17:03:44] * ogra_ neither
  • [17:03:45] <georgem> should be able to
  • [17:03:47] <gui_> then I rebuild the kernel, which takes no more than 10 minutes
  • [17:04:14] <panto> ogra_, you can
  • [17:04:19] <panto> I do it all day long
  • [17:04:47] <ogra_> lucky you then ... so lennart didnt get to it yet
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  • [17:05:34] * georgem shakes his head
  • [17:05:56] <panto> ogra_, the moment he does, I'm moving to something else pronto
  • [17:06:02] <ogra_> :)
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  • [17:09:29] <rsalveti> jezz, $15 for a pack of 2 guaranas?
  • [17:09:35] <ds2> >
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  • [17:09:49] <ogra_> rsalveti, yeah, guano is cheaper
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  • [17:09:58] <rsalveti> I pay $1.5 here
  • [17:10:05] <ogra_> and sounds largely the same
  • [17:10:24] <rsalveti> guarana antarctica is kind of the 'original' one
  • [17:10:29] <rsalveti> most common around here
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  • [17:10:48] <rsalveti> good stuff
  • [17:10:59] <georgem> isn't guano bat shit
  • [17:11:00] <ogra_> bring some to the next sprint :)
  • [17:11:08] <ogra_> georgem, yeah
  • [17:11:31] <rsalveti> right, the good stuff is for the antarctica one ;-)
  • [17:11:45] <rsalveti> ogra_: yeah, can take some for sure
  • [17:11:54] <ogra_> doit :)
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  • [17:16:03] <gui_> good guaran??s are antarctica and the long-gone brahma
  • [17:16:37] <gui_> and dolly
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  • [17:25:02] <kfoltman> I drank guarana antarctica yesterday!
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  • [17:27:23] <_av500_> isnt that penguin droppings?
  • [17:27:37] <georgem> heh
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  • [17:27:59] <thurgood> no that would be guano
  • [17:28:03] <thurgood> :P
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  • [17:32:28] <mranostay> troololollololoolol
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  • [17:59:26] <blip> hello guys, I'm running a opencv program on BBB and its outputing a string with location of the central light in image. I need to send this string to a arduino. Beagleboard is connected to a webcam
  • [18:01:31] <SpeedEvil> So do.
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  • [18:01:59] <blip> any ideas as to how to go about doing this
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  • [18:03:33] <szhao> Hi, I have proper SPI Device Tree setup. MOSI and CLK are good. How do I control the SPI1_CS0 in code?
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  • [18:07:10] <dm8tbr> blip: 'uart'
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  • [18:09:55] <blip> I was thinking of uart, but I do not know how to send information from c++ code to uart.
  • [18:11:07] <georgem> szhao: try spidev first
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  • [18:11:34] <gui_> szhao do you like python? check this http://hipstercircuits.com/enable-spi-with-device-tree-on-beaglebone-black-copy-paste/
  • [18:11:48] <gui_> skip the enabling SPI part
  • [18:14:25] <dm8tbr> blip: you open the 'file' and write to it... there's documentation all over the net for this
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  • [18:19:59] <szhao> georgem: I am using spidev.c for testing. That's how I got MOSI and CLK running. During transfers, I don't see any changes in CS. It stays flat zero. Is that how it's supposed to behave? I am reading the structure spi_ioc_transfer and found a field called cs_change. Not sure if it's related.
  • [18:21:14] <georgem> szhao: If you look at http://hipstercircuits.com/enable-spi-with-device-tree-on-beaglebone-black-copy-paste/ I think CS will change depending on whether you access spi1_0 or spi1_1
  • [18:22:52] <szhao> gui_: thanks for the link. I have read it before, but I haven't tried b/c of python code.
  • [18:23:29] <szhao> georgem: I noticed that the source I am using is missing a line one cs. http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_Black_Enable_SPIDEV
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  • [18:23:51] <szhao> georgem: I will try to modify this line " cs-gpios = <&gpio4 17 0>, <&gpio1 7 0>;"
  • [18:24:37] <szhao> georgem: I think that might be the reason. I will try it out and let you know. Really appreciate it. as well as gui_
  • [18:25:24] <georgem> I thought maybe just changing reg = <1>; to reg = <0>; would change it (or having two spidevs one with reg = <1> and one with reg =<0>.
  • [18:26:52] <georgem> I only have one device on spi so I never tried...
  • [18:26:55] <szhao> georgem: I don't really know what reg stands for or how it behaves. Do you mind give me a hint on that
  • [18:27:19] <szhao> I am only trying to connect to one slave device as well
  • [18:27:45] <szhao> but this slave requires CS behave a certain way
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  • [18:31:55] <szhao> georgem: I see what you mean about changing <1> to <0>. I thought it would just make spidev1.1 instead of spidev1.0. I will try both I guess
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  • [18:33:27] <georgem> szhao: I'm trying in the TRM and it looks like it should use CS0 for the first slave device connected and CS1 for the second. I think I was scoping on it earlier though and I didn't see it change.
  • [18:33:39] <georgem> looking at it rather
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  • [18:34:43] <szhao> georgem: If I want to probe CS0, then I need to use spidev1.0?
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  • [18:40:26] <georgem> Interesting looks like GPIO3_17 and spi1_cs0 are on ball C12. GPIO0_7 and spi1_cs1 look like they are on ball C18
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  • [18:42:46] <georgem> well... they're set in mode3 in the pinctl so I guess they are setup as spi1_cs0 and spi1_cs1. I'm not sure what the purpose of the cs-gpios parameter is. Maybe it just has to do with claiming those lines for the device.
  • [18:44:05] <szhao> georgem: yes, GPIO3_17 and spi1_cs0 are muxed on the same pin. My guess is it "maps" spi1_cs0 to gpio3_17
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  • [18:48:23] <georgem> szhao: I have mine setup similar to the link you sent (with no cs-gpios). I just scoped cs0 and it went low when I echod a character to spidev1.0
  • [18:49:14] <georgem> szhao: Is that what you need it to do or do you actually need to take control of it?
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  • [18:50:12] <szhao> georgem: My cs0 stays low all the time. I need cs0 stay high when it is idling. And cs0 needs to go low when I am sending data.
  • [18:50:33] <georgem> szhao: Strange, mine is high when idling
  • [18:51:59] <szhao> georgem: that's why i am struggling to get cs0 working. Could you send me a link for the device tree reference you used? I assume you used spidev_test for testing
  • [18:52:53] <yokotest1234> i need some help crosscompiling a library for the arm platform. I am getting errors while compiling the library I get following error during crosscompile:syslex.l:31:21: fatal error: sysinfo.h: No such file or directory compilation terminated. make[2]: *** [syslex.o] Error 1 following is the config.log file : http://pastebin.com/eezqmJ9d and following is the install script : http://pastebin.com/fAErAqSQ
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  • [18:53:49] <yokotest1234> its basically a msp430-gcc toolchain to be run on the beaglebone,
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  • [18:54:54] <georgem> szhao: make sure have reg = <0> not reg = <1>. Other wise I think it will use cs1
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  • [19:02:10] <szhao> georgem: you are a genius!!! That's the problem. reg=<0> instead of reg=<1>.
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  • [19:02:49] <szhao> georgem: now cs0 stays high idling. When I send a message, it drops to zero.
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  • [19:15:51] <georgem> szhao: cool, glad it worked for you
  • [19:18:27] <szhao> georgem: Thank you very much for your help.
  • [19:18:57] <szhao> georgem: Thank you very much for your help.
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  • [19:21:44] <georgem> szhao: You're welcome. Now I understand how it works better as well :)
  • [19:26:07] <mranostay> georgem: now shout more
  • [19:26:57] <georgem> georgem: Ha, shout more?
  • [19:27:03] <georgem> doh
  • [19:27:12] <georgem> mranostay: Ha, shout more?
  • [19:29:37] <gui_> poop has happened with me :(
  • [19:30:07] <gui_> is it possible to recover files after a sudo rm?
  • [19:30:09] <georgem> poop is bad, unless you're constipated then its good
  • [19:30:56] <georgem> gui_: yes kind of sorta. on beaglebone or linux desktop?
  • [19:31:01] <gui_> I accidentally removed my user folder
  • [19:31:05] <gui_> ubuntu desktop
  • [19:31:21] <gui_> not the folder itself, but everything inside it
  • [19:32:10] <georgem> Do you know what file system it is? ext4?
  • [19:32:40] <gui_> i believe so
  • [19:32:54] <georgem> 'mount' should tell you
  • [19:33:54] <gui_> yes it is
  • [19:34:21] <gui_> oh man... I thought I had a snapshot :/
  • [19:34:33] <gui_> (i'm running on virtualbox btw)
  • [19:34:46] <georgem> well... make a snapshot now
  • [19:35:08] <georgem> because if you try to recover it and it fails you may want to go back and try again
  • [19:35:46] <gui_> done
  • [19:36:15] <gui_> i have a fancy program to recover files on windows
  • [19:36:16] <georgem> See if extundelete is installed. If not try sudo apt-get install extundelete
  • [19:36:22] <gui_> but that doesn't work on linux
  • [19:37:04] <georgem> http://extundelete.sourceforge.net/
  • [19:37:09] <gui_> isntalling
  • [19:38:49] <georgem> Look on the link for usage instructions.
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  • [19:39:17] <_SY_> hi
  • [19:39:21] <georgem> hi
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  • [19:40:04] <_SY_> could someone please take a look at this for me....its a C JNI library I put together for handling serial TX and RX...but for some reason whilst TX seems ok, RX blocks: http://pastebin.com/JLzwmw4N
  • [19:40:25] <Stanto> PRU Assembly programming for the BeagleBoneBlack - does anyone know if QBLE is comparing signed or unsigned binary values ?
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  • [19:42:01] <gui_> how do I remount sda1 in read only mode?
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  • [19:42:30] <_SY_> you could do that in the fstab entry.
  • [19:42:47] <cmicali> stanto i think everything is unsigned
  • [19:43:09] <panto> Stanto, normally all ops are unsigned
  • [19:43:19] <Stanto> "normally" ?
  • [19:43:34] <mru> unsigned is good enough for anyone
  • [19:44:09] <georgem> gui_: try, mount -oremount,ro /dev/sda1
  • [19:44:47] <gui_> i get / is busy
  • [19:44:54] <panto> you can do signed math with a some extra instructions
  • [19:44:55] <georgem> _SY_: read will block unless you set O_NONBLOCK. or you can just use select
  • [19:45:17] <georgem> gui_: Try: 'init 3' first
  • [19:45:35] <_SY_> ok, I'll try that, I'm a bit confused why it doesn't return, I'm sending data to the port
  • [19:45:40] <mru> or poll()
  • [19:45:57] <gui_> same message, georgem
  • [19:46:34] <panto> g'night
  • [19:47:30] <georgem> gui_: check if any of the suggestions here work: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/42015/mount-is-busy-when-trying-to-mount-as-read-only-so-that-i-can-run-zerofree
  • [19:49:13] <_SY_> tried O_NONBLOCK, no better...
  • [19:49:20] <georgem> yeah, or poll. Or just get a book on unix programming like: UNIX Network Programming by Richard Stevens
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  • [19:50:49] <gui_> georgem, still busy :/
  • [19:51:09] <_SY_> Is that to me? polling the port is the same as reading it with blocking, it should return as soon as data is received of the required length
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  • [19:55:40] <gui_> i guess I'll just download everything again :/
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  • [19:58:00] <Guest8085> Hello all
  • [19:59:39] <Guest8085> I have a an embedded linux competition at my local linux users group, sort of hoping yall can help
  • [20:00:27] <Guest8085> have a beaglebone A5 and would like to make a jukebox for the comp.
  • [20:01:05] <Guest8085> controlled through webbrowser and plays locally
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  • [20:05:54] <georgem> gui_: you can try booting to single user mode if you want to keep at it. http://askubuntu.com/questions/132965/how-do-i-boot-into-single-user-mode-from-grub
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  • [20:06:28] <gui_> too late, i'm formatting :P
  • [20:06:34] <georgem> ok
  • [20:06:40] <gui_> system was very dirty anyway
  • [20:06:44] <gui_> clean install will be good
  • [20:07:21] <gui_> and I'll promise myself to take snapshots more frenquently
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  • [20:14:23] <_SY_> polling for 1 byte at a time doesn't help either: http://pastebin.com/YuJbdLXQ
  • [20:15:40] <georgem> _SY_: This is how you use non-blocking http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1150635/unix-nonblocking-i-o-o-nonblock-vs-fionbio
  • [20:16:36] <georgem> fcntl(fd, F_SETFL, flags | O_NONBLOCK);
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  • [20:17:33] <_SY_> What I don't understand is blocking or non-blocking, when reading 1 byte at a time, it doesn't seem to return at all.
  • [20:17:47] <_SY_> and I know that data is being transmitted on the device
  • [20:17:59] <georgem> _SY_: Something is wrong then
  • [20:18:05] <georgem> Because it should
  • [20:18:16] <_SY_> :)....I guessed that...
  • [20:19:16] <georgem> serial ports in linux can be kind of a pain. one sec. let me see if I can find you a link
  • [20:19:42] <Willdude123> How do I access my sd card, and how can I move my programs to there?
  • [20:19:46] <georgem> _SY_: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Serial-Programming-HOWTO/x115.html
  • [20:19:58] <_SY_> ty, will look now
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  • [20:21:53] <georgem> So many questions today, I've got crap I gotta do so... someone else's turn for a while.
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  • [20:25:17] <georgem> Need to write an mfd driver
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  • [20:26:11] <Willdude123> My BBB is running out of hard drive space, what can I do?
  • [20:26:24] <Willdude123> I have a lot of programs, so can I move them to sd?
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  • [20:28:16] <Willdude123> How do I use the micro sd as storage?
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  • [20:30:23] <_SY_> I bought a micro 32Gb USB memory stick and use that for additional storage, works great!
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  • [20:39:44] <haksaw> Willdude123: http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/arm/beagleboneblack/install_emmc.xml
  • [20:40:05] <haksaw> take a look at the Expanding storage with a microSD card.
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  • [20:40:34] <haksaw> have not tried it though, so YMMV
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  • [20:42:02] <Willdude123> haksaw: lOOKS COMPLEX
  • [20:42:05] <Willdude123> Sorry
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  • [20:42:47] <haksaw> Willdude123: yeah, you got to have some linux chops to mess with these devices
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  • [20:51:33] <gabrbedd> I have a beagleboard-xm and want to make sure that I get neon instructions with hardware floating point... (using Angstrom)
  • [20:51:52] <gabrbedd> Does it magically happen? How do I go about forcing it?
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  • [20:54:07] <gui_> i'm trying to compile the kernel, and I'm asked to install the dependency libncurses5-dev but it's already installed
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  • [20:55:07] <Stanto> Willdude123, alternatively, boot linux from the microsd card and use a large microsd card
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  • [20:55:33] <Willdude123> It's 4gb
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  • [20:56:29] <Stanto> Out of interest what programs are you filling it up with ?
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  • [20:58:01] <gabrbedd> gui__: what does this give you: pkg-config --modversion ncurses
  • [20:58:02] <gabrbedd> ?
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  • [20:58:17] <gui__> 5.9.20110404
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  • [20:59:13] <gabrbedd> gui_: and what version of the kernel are you building? 3.10?
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  • [20:59:41] <gui_> 2.8
  • [20:59:42] <gui_> 3.8*
  • [21:03:38] <gabrbedd> gui_: looks like the script scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/check-lxdialog.sh is looking for hard-coded paths.
  • [21:03:52] <gabrbedd> gui_: do you have a cureses header in the path that it's looking for?
  • [21:04:50] <gui_> i don't have any sub-folder int scripts/
  • [21:05:13] <gui_> all I have is: bisect.sh error.sh gcc.sh git.sh
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  • [21:06:17] <gui_> I downloaded the source frim here: git://github.com/RobertCNelson/linux-dev.git
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  • [21:06:26] <gui_> checkout origin/am33x-v3.8
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  • [21:07:57] <gabrbedd> gui_: That's not actually a kernel. That's some kind of kernel build system. I don't remember how to use it.
  • [21:08:46] <gui_> http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone#BeagleBone-ARMCrossCompiler:GCC
  • [21:09:37] <gabrbedd> gui_: what's your OS?
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  • [21:09:57] <gabrbedd> gui_: Looks like the check is in tools/host_det.sh
  • [21:10:11] <gabrbedd> gui_: looks at /etc/lsb_release and then tries to do a platform-specific check.
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  • [21:11:19] <gabrbedd> Sorry... /etc/lsb-release
  • [21:11:42] <gabrbedd> gui_: If you're on Ubuntu > precise, you'll need to add your dist to the script.
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  • [21:24:48] <gui_> gabrbedd, i'm running 13.04
  • [21:27:25] <gabrbedd> gui_: so you need to update the script.
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  • [21:43:09] <gui_> gabredd, which script exactly?
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  • [21:46:45] <gui_> well, switched from branch -bone24 to -bone23 and it's working now
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  • [22:04:30] <szhao> georgem: Now I have full SPI communication working. :) I am doing this for a design challenge, so I will make a guide on setting up SPI on BBB. Then people don't have to search all of the place to get SPI running
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  • [22:13:02] <gui_> szhao, does your spi work when you boot from flash?
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  • [22:17:34] <ifueko> quick question--anyone know of a patch/workaround to enable DMA engine support on their beaglebone black?
  • [22:17:50] <qwerwq> g'day, just a very very quick question: does holding the power button >8sec turn off the beaglebone black properly? (to avoid flash corruption)
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  • [22:18:50] <szhao> gui_: I did not boot from flash, so I am not sure if SPI works. I did however disable HDMI
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  • [22:24:09] <gui_> yeah, i know you have to disable HDMI
  • [22:24:23] <gui_> my problem is that I could use all 3 SPI ports booting from SD card
  • [22:24:39] <gui_> but they wouldn't get enabled when booting from eMMC
  • [22:25:28] <gui_> changing the kernel seems to be the solution, and I'm still tweaking some adjustments to that
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  • [23:34:42] <Joe412> hello
  • [23:34:45] <Joe412> i have a question
  • [23:34:48] <Joe412> anyone here?
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  • [23:37:31] <joel-afk> poor guy, why couldn't anyone answer his question in < 2 seconds???
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  • [23:44:14] <mranostay> joel-afk: we failed him!
  • [23:45:00] <joel-afk> mranostay, i know! such a shame!
  • [23:45:22] <joel-afk> now he will never return and go buy an r-pi
  • [23:45:23] <joel-afk> or minnow board
  • [23:45:41] <Stanto> or, arduino
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  • [23:49:56] <mranostay> joel-afk: how dare you sir!
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