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  • [01:30:36] <m_billybob> wow already 6:30 pm
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  • [01:38:21] <wmat> you mean 9:30pm ;)
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  • [01:49:49] <m_billybob> [18:38] <wmat> you mean 9:30pm ;)
  • [01:50:16] <m_billybob> I guess as they say that time *is* relative ;)
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  • [02:02:31] <wmat> heh
  • [02:03:16] <wmat> just being an east coast ass ;)
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  • [02:03:45] <scoobydooby> Hullo beagle boners!
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  • [02:14:23] <mranostay> wmat: hey canuck :)
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  • [02:14:51] <wmat> mranostay: evening portlandian
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  • [02:17:42] <m_billybob> quiet in here tonight
  • [02:18:06] <m_billybob> mranostay what ? did you play another emergency Friday card or something ?
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  • [02:21:58] <mranostay> m_billybob: portland weirdness
  • [02:22:13] <mranostay> davest also adds to the index
  • [02:22:40] <m_billybob> ah well maybe everyone is tuckered out fro mthe "newb" influx today also ?
  • [02:23:17] <mranostay> i feed on that
  • [02:23:18] <mranostay> :)
  • [02:25:11] <m_billybob> I like seeing more people using the bbb
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  • [02:26:35] <mranostay> that too until someone mentions DOS :)
  • [02:26:44] <m_billybob> lol
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  • [02:38:44] <m_billybob> mranostay, though turning the bbb into a MAME system might be pretty cool. Wonder if it could handle it well
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  • [02:39:04] <m_billybob> no way in telling really until the SGX drivers are there and solid
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  • [02:49:02] <Spirilis> I know someone who did a mame machine with his RPi ... he had a PC-based mame arcade machine in there before so this was a replacement of the HW for him
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  • [02:49:39] <m_billybob> would be a pretty coold project. Although i dont know much about MAME on Linux
  • [02:50:01] <Spirilis> it runs
  • [02:50:06] <Spirilis> it's an X11 app I guess
  • [02:50:30] <m_billybob> Spirilis, for what its worth though wulf being a retro arcade fanatic, he has just about every ROM out there
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  • [02:50:50] <m_billybob> and many that dont exist for others
  • [02:51:03] <Spirilis> nice
  • [02:51:18] <Spirilis> yeah shit you guys might have to pioneer that one :)
  • [02:51:22] <Spirilis> mame arcade machine with bbb
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  • [02:51:34] <m_billybob> lol atsome point perhaps
  • [02:51:39] <m_billybob> it would be fun
  • [02:53:11] <m_billybob> Definately going ot have to wait for SGX drivers though, for ogl support
  • [02:54:09] <m_billybob> some of those games dont even run well on x86 hardware with mucb hfaster processors and tons more RAM
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  • [03:27:46] <m_billybob> Spirilis you still around ?
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  • [03:33:03] <_av500_> old ROMs use openGL?
  • [03:33:17] <m_billybob> MAME uses ogl, or can
  • [03:33:27] <m_billybob> uses Direct3D on windows
  • [03:34:44] <_av500_> yes, but what for?
  • [03:35:56] <m_billybob> the games are emulated through MAME, many of these games were made to run on pure hardware. Thats tough to emulate in a timly fashion on other hardware
  • [03:37:28] <m_billybob> anyway, hardware acceleration does help
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  • [03:38:33] <_av500_> m_billybob: probably not much more than a glorified blitter
  • [03:38:50] <_av500_> as in get the pixels into the framebuffer fast
  • [03:38:57] <m_billybob> av500 perhaps but every little bit that can be offloaded from the processor will help
  • [03:39:25] <_av500_> it might help for the vectrex
  • [03:40:07] <_av500_> anyways, sgx will be there soob
  • [03:40:09] <_av500_> soon
  • [03:40:11] <m_billybob> it'll help some, how much exactly im not sure
  • [03:40:16] <m_billybob> yeah
  • [03:40:20] <m_billybob> quater 4 this year
  • [03:40:26] <m_billybob> so sayeth TI
  • [03:40:43] <m_billybob> quarter 4 even
  • [03:41:19] <m_billybob> some of these games wont even play well on an intel i7
  • [03:41:28] <m_billybob> those games i probably wouldnt bother with
  • [03:42:22] <m_billybob> but i think for most if not all of the 80's era games it'll be just fine
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  • [06:06:59] <kishor> i am accesing BBB from my host pc shell
  • [06:07:06] <kishor> using ssh command
  • [06:07:23] <kishor> i hav connected bbb to pc via usb
  • [06:07:54] <kishor> but i want GUI for the same arrangement
  • [06:08:06] <kishor> how can i achieve this?
  • [06:10:43] <dm8tbr> a gui for what?
  • [06:13:04] <kishor> for armstrong distro
  • [06:13:25] <dm8tbr> attach a monitor to the HDMI outpu
  • [06:13:26] <dm8tbr> t
  • [06:13:42] <kishor> i dont have HDMI monitor
  • [06:13:55] <kishor> i want to connect bbb to internet
  • [06:13:56] <dm8tbr> dvi works too
  • [06:14:05] <dm8tbr> use an ethernet cable
  • [06:14:14] <kishor> i dont have any other device
  • [06:14:25] <dm8tbr> or NAT the usb network on your PC
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  • [06:18:32] <kishor> i have wi-fi on my host pc
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  • [06:19:04] <kishor> how can i share my internet connection with bbb which is connected via usb in eMMC mode
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  • [06:20:44] <RockyZheng> hello, I can't boot my kernel on beagle bone black from emmc, i split two partitions on emmc, one for MLO and u-boot.img, another one for filesystem, when i restart the board, it stuck at "no devices available", Wrong Image format for bootm command, ERROR: can't get kernel image!
  • [06:20:48] <dm8tbr> by utilizing the connection sharing capability of your laptop
  • [06:21:49] <RockyZheng> here is the u-boot and kernel:http://downloads.ti.com/sitara_linux/esd/AM335xSDK/latest/index_FDS.html
  • [06:22:27] <kishor> my host pc is ubuntu 13.04 , how can i share my wi-fi connection using it?
  • [06:22:28] <RockyZheng> http://downloads.ti.com/sitara_linux/esd/AM335xSDK/latest/index_FDS.html
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  • [06:22:44] <dm8tbr> kishor: check the ubuntu documentation
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  • [06:25:24] <RockyZheng> who can answer me ? i can boot this image from sd card.
  • [06:25:38] <RockyZheng> using same MLO ,u-boot.img ,filesystem
  • [06:25:46] <RockyZheng> but i can;t boot from emmc
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  • [06:26:13] <_Sy_> hello
  • [06:27:28] <RockyZheng> do i need to add uEnv.txt?
  • [06:27:37] <RockyZheng> can anyone help me
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  • [06:30:22] <dm8tbr> RockyZheng: can you pastebin the full output?
  • [06:30:53] <RockyZheng> ok
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  • [06:40:20] <RockyZheng> U-Boot SPL 2013.01.01 (Jun 25 2013 - 16:42:52)
  • [06:40:20] <RockyZheng> musb-hdrc: ConfigData=0xde (UTMI-8, dyn FIFOs, bulk combine, bulk split, HB-ISO Rx, HB-ISO Tx, SoftConn)
  • [06:40:20] <RockyZheng> musb-hdrc: MHDRC RTL version 2.0
  • [06:40:20] <RockyZheng> musb-hdrc: setup fifo_mode 4
  • [06:40:20] <RockyZheng> musb-hdrc: 28/31 max ep, 16384/16384 memory
  • [06:40:21] <RockyZheng> USB Peripheral mode controller at 47401000 using PIO, IRQ 0
  • [06:40:23] <RockyZheng> musb-hdrc: ConfigData=0xde (UTMI-8, dyn FIFOs, bulk combine, bulk split, HB-ISO Rx, HB-ISO Tx, SoftConn)
  • [06:40:25] <RockyZheng> musb-hdrc: MHDRC RTL version 2.0
  • [06:40:29] <RockyZheng> musb-hdrc: setup fifo_mode 4
  • [06:40:31] <RockyZheng> musb-hdrc: 28/31 max ep, 16384/16384 memory
  • [06:40:33] <RockyZheng> USB Host mode controller at 47401800 using PIO, IRQ 0
  • [06:40:35] <RockyZheng> OMAP SD/MMC: 0
  • [06:40:37] <RockyZheng> mmc_send_cmd : timeout: No status update
  • [06:40:39] <RockyZheng> reading u-boot.img
  • [06:40:41] <RockyZheng> reading u-boot.img
  • [06:40:43] <RockyZheng> U-Boot 2013.01.01 (Jun 25 2013 - 16:42:52)
  • [06:40:45] <RockyZheng> I2C: ready
  • [06:40:47] <RockyZheng> DRAM: 512 MiB
  • [06:40:49] <RockyZheng> WARNING: Caches not enabled
  • [06:40:51] <RockyZheng> NAND: No NAND device found!!!
  • [06:40:53] <RockyZheng> 0 MiB
  • [06:40:55] <RockyZheng> MMC: OMAP SD/MMC: 0, OMAP SD/MMC: 1
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  • [06:40:59] <RockyZheng> *** Warning - readenv() failed, using default environment
  • [06:41:01] <RockyZheng> musb-hdrc: ConfigData=0xde (UTMI-8, dyn FIFOs, bulk combine, bulk split, HB-ISO Rx, HB-ISO Tx, SoftConn)
  • [06:41:03] <RockyZheng> musb-hdrc: MHDRC RTL version 2.0
  • [06:41:05] <RockyZheng> musb-hdrc: setup fifo_mode 4
  • [06:41:07] <RockyZheng> musb-hdrc: 28/31 max ep, 16384/16384 memory
  • [06:41:09] <RockyZheng> USB Peripheral mode controller at 47401000 using PIO, IRQ 0
  • [06:41:11] <RockyZheng> musb-hdrc: ConfigData=0xde (UTMI-8, dyn FIFOs, bulk combine, bulk split, HB-ISO Rx, HB-ISO Tx, SoftConn)
  • [06:41:13] <RockyZheng> musb-hdrc: MHDRC RTL version 2.0
  • [06:41:15] <RockyZheng> musb-hdrc: setup fifo_mode 4
  • [06:41:16] <panto> RockyZheng, stop
  • [06:41:17] <RockyZheng> musb-hdrc: 28/31 max ep, 16384/16384 memory
  • [06:41:19] <panto> don't do that
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  • [06:41:19] <RockyZheng> USB Host mode controller at 47401800 using PIO, IRQ 0
  • [06:41:21] <RockyZheng> Net: <ethaddr> not set. Validating first E-fuse MAC
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  • [06:41:23] <RockyZheng> cpsw, usb_ether
  • [06:41:25] <panto> pastebin
  • [06:41:26] <RockyZheng> Hit any key to stop autoboot: 1 0
  • [06:41:30] <RockyZheng> Card did not respond to voltage select!
  • [06:41:31] <RockyZheng> mmc0(part 0) is current device
  • [06:41:33] <RockyZheng> mmc_send_cmd : timeout: No status update
  • [06:41:35] <RockyZheng> Card did not respond to voltage select!
  • [06:41:37] <RockyZheng> Booting from nand ...
  • [06:41:39] <RockyZheng> no devices available
  • [06:41:41] <RockyZheng> Wrong Image Format for bootm command
  • [06:41:43] <RockyZheng> ERROR: can't get kernel image!
  • [06:41:45] <RockyZheng> U-Boot#
  • [06:41:47] <RockyZheng> here is my log
  • [06:41:49] <RockyZheng> dm8tbr,
  • [06:41:51] <RockyZheng> pastebin?
  • [06:41:57] <panto> www.pastebin.com
  • [06:41:57] <RockyZheng> ok
  • [06:41:59] <RockyZheng> sorry
  • [06:42:03] <RockyZheng> forgive me
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  • [06:42:53] <RockyZheng> http://pastebin.com/qWMR44LC
  • [06:43:05] <RockyZheng> dm8tbr, http://pastebin.com/qWMR44LC
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  • [06:43:27] <vvu> morning!
  • [06:43:45] <dm8tbr> geeeeeze and I said bloody pastebin...
  • [06:46:15] <dm8tbr> for one reason or another it doesn't bother to try the emmc. that's what you should concentrate on
  • [06:47:10] <RockyZheng> maybe i need to create uEnv.txt file for u-boot to read
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  • [06:50:13] <RockyZheng> could you please give me a simple uEnv.txt
  • [06:50:14] <RockyZheng> mmc 1:1 /MLO /u-boot.img
  • [06:50:15] <RockyZheng> mmc 1:2 entire filesystem, the kernel image is under /boot/uImage
  • [06:50:43] <RockyZheng> ext4 format for mmc 1:2
  • [06:50:53] <mranostay> whoa spam
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  • [07:00:03] <mrpackethead> spam
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  • [07:01:13] <dm8tbr> eggs, baked beans, sausage, ...
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  • [07:26:25] <av500> urf
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  • [07:28:46] <KotH> kaffi! tee! bier! mineral! sandwich! JIHAD!
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  • [07:30:58] <philenotfound> Mate!
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  • [07:54:39] <das> -ENOMOTIVATION
  • [07:55:22] * KotH stabs das to death
  • [07:55:31] <KotH> that should be enough motivation to run ;)
  • [07:55:34] <koen> it's almost friday
  • [07:55:50] <das> fridays here are normal days :(
  • [07:56:05] <das> actually, even worse since a lot of SW gets shipped on fridays usually
  • [07:56:08] <KotH> das: no friday-afternoon strikes?
  • [07:56:19] <das> nah, and it's france, that's quite unusual
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  • [08:15:43] * av500 wonders what to do with this VC20 here
  • [08:16:15] <KotH> take it apart and put it on your pile of unused boards?
  • [08:16:53] <av500> I'm wondering what to do with the pile too
  • [08:17:34] <ant_work> av500: a VIC20 ?
  • [08:18:33] <av500> yes
  • [08:18:52] <ant_work> I've seen someone fitting small boards inside
  • [08:19:42] <KotH> av500: mount them on one of your walls and call it modern art
  • [08:21:22] <av500> maybe
  • [08:21:58] <dm8tbr> av500: make it a twitter appliance ;)
  • [08:22:19] <av500> put a beagle inside
  • [08:22:21] <av500> jaja
  • [08:22:23] <av500> I know
  • [08:22:33] <av500> stuff it with explosives and light it up
  • [08:23:31] <dm8tbr> IRC terminal client
  • [08:23:34] <ant_work> av500: sell it by weight
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  • [08:24:50] <av500> dm8tbr: lacks display
  • [08:24:52] <av500> ah well
  • [08:24:54] <av500> old TV
  • [08:24:56] <av500> have that too
  • [08:25:00] <av500> -ETOOBIG
  • [08:25:21] <av500> there is a PLUS/4 too
  • [08:25:41] <av500> oh
  • [08:25:44] <av500> and a Sony HitBit
  • [08:26:31] <dm8tbr> hehe
  • [08:26:56] <dm8tbr> attach the composite out to a frame grabber and route it back to your desktop ;)
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  • [08:42:19] <ant_work> av500: about vintage stuff from that period, I found my old 1984 integrated amplifier. Now, friends say I have to exchange the two big capacitors on it as precaution
  • [08:42:49] <ant_work> did 1980's stuff rot quickly?
  • [08:43:02] <SpeedEvil> ant_work: 1980s isn't quickly.
  • [08:43:24] <av500> ant_work: it depends
  • [08:43:30] <ant_work> well, forever young ;)
  • [08:43:33] <SpeedEvil> ant_work: A capacitor not used for several years may depolarise somewhat. And not be able to sustain its nominal vcc
  • [08:43:33] <av500> some caps are still good
  • [08:43:35] <av500> some are not
  • [08:43:55] <SpeedEvil> It is a generally good plan for big power caps to gradually raise the voltage.
  • [08:44:15] <av500> but then, caps are cheap
  • [08:44:21] <av500> replacing them is no big deal
  • [08:44:24] <SpeedEvil> I had a large 12V/40A early SMPS with a _massive_ front cap vent.
  • [08:44:40] <SpeedEvil> The smell lasted for ages, and I question how healthy it is.
  • [08:44:44] <ant_work> I found the service manual but can't find the BOM
  • [08:44:57] <av500> ant_work: what is it?
  • [08:45:05] <SpeedEvil> You look at teh numbers on the side.
  • [08:45:17] <SpeedEvil> Alternatively, you can power it up outside for a day.
  • [08:45:20] <ant_work> it's a JVC-ax400 superA
  • [08:45:24] <ant_work> http://www.eserviceinfo.com/download.php?fileid=47523
  • [08:45:43] <SpeedEvil> ant_work: the caps will have ratings on the sides of them.
  • [08:46:35] <ant_work> I fear I'll broke the plastic parts, it's not so elastic after much time
  • [08:46:43] <ant_work> dismounting it
  • [08:47:46] <av500> 10000u/63V
  • [08:47:51] <av500> its in the schematics
  • [08:49:08] <ant_work> oky thx
  • [08:49:21] <av500> ant_work: I would just try it out
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  • [08:50:21] <av500> there are also a few other smaller caps
  • [08:51:11] <ant_work> maybe better to send it to service center and have it tested and calibrated
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  • [08:51:19] <av500> is it worh it?
  • [08:51:21] <av500> worth
  • [08:51:49] <ant_work> well, if repair is 50-100 Eur prolly yes
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  • [08:53:16] <ant_work> av500: afaik mid-80 quality was not the same as end '70. This for Pioneer/Marantz/JVC
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  • [08:53:36] <ant_work> (talking about integrated amps)
  • [08:53:54] <vin_> hi guys anyone ther to help me on a reciever code for gsm module in BBB
  • [08:54:44] <KotH> how much do you pay?
  • [08:55:05] <jackmitchell> 10 chocolate pieces an hour
  • [08:55:05] <vin_> im able to send msgs using GSM module want to know for reciever a msg
  • [08:55:52] <av500> how do you send them?
  • [08:55:57] <av500> you mean SMS?
  • [08:56:19] <vin_> ya sms
  • [08:56:45] <vin_> i send a msg from BBB with my code n recieved it on my other phone...
  • [08:56:51] <vin_> want to try vice versa
  • [08:56:54] <av500> what code?
  • [08:57:11] <vin_> will share it how to i do in this chat?
  • [08:57:18] <av500> pastebin
  • [08:57:21] <av500> .com
  • [08:57:44] <vin_> ok 2 min
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  • [08:59:20] <vin_> sendin code BBB
  • [08:59:30] <vin_> i pasted it there n submitted
  • [09:00:02] <vin_> av500 did u find it?
  • [09:01:43] <vin_> u ther?
  • [09:02:02] <KotH> why dont you copy and paste the url?
  • [09:02:06] <KotH> so he doesnt have to look for it?
  • [09:02:17] <vin_> cool will do it..
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  • [09:02:29] <vin_> http://pastebin.com/Q1G7bHd2
  • [09:04:26] <vin_> got it?
  • [09:08:34] <vin_> anyone ther??
  • [09:08:54] <jackmitchell> we're here, but don't have magic answers I'm afraid
  • [09:09:05] <jackmitchell> is there not an AT command to check for new messages?
  • [09:09:25] <jackmitchell> I don't know what your hardware is, how it works or the AT commands it supports, so I don't know how we can help you...
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  • [09:10:26] <vin_> im using a BBB with 2 pins i configured tx n rx which i have connect to GSM SIM900 module
  • [09:10:40] <jackmitchell> http://www.developershome.com/sms/checkCommandSupport2.asp
  • [09:10:43] <vin_> with the previous code of sending msgs it works
  • [09:10:43] <jackmitchell> use google
  • [09:10:55] <vin_> want a reciever logic
  • [09:11:05] <jackmitchell> google for sms reciever logic
  • [09:11:23] <jackmitchell> http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/38705/Send-and-Read-SMS-through-a-GSM-Modem-using-AT-Com
  • [09:11:39] <jackmitchell> there you go, both those pages are the first two hits in google. read them.
  • [09:12:35] <vin_> went through second link...
  • [09:12:44] <av500> vin_: your pastebin URL is bad
  • [09:12:45] <vin_> will read more from the first link
  • [09:13:26] <vin_> av500 it says paste is removed wait i will paste it again
  • [09:13:29] <jackmitchell> av500: it was just sending AT commands over a serial device
  • [09:13:50] <jackmitchell> in unindented code
  • [09:14:33] <vin_> http://pastebin.com/KhuxtnUK
  • [09:15:27] <vin_> @jack how else shld i code??
  • [09:15:49] <vin_> leave the printf statements tats for my references i put
  • [09:16:38] <jackmitchell> vin_: you should at least use consistent indentation
  • [09:16:48] <jackmitchell> it makes code a lot easier to read and follow
  • [09:17:42] <vin_> ok jackmitchell hences forth will surely follow tat way...
  • [09:17:49] <vin_> sorry :( :(
  • [09:18:04] <jackmitchell> vin_: just a suggestion, I wouldn't take it personally!
  • [09:18:24] <jackmitchell> vin_: while not specifically for C, have a little read of this http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/top-15-best-practices-for-writing-super-readable-code/
  • [09:18:35] <vin_> ok jack...
  • [09:18:36] <mrpackethead> vin_: what is your max
  • [09:18:56] <vin_> max232
  • [09:19:24] <vin_> thanks jack for tat link will follow tat...!
  • [09:20:53] <mrpackethead> electronics design got easy
  • [09:21:47] <vin_> kind off simple 3 wire from BBB
  • [09:25:42] <av500> vin_: so, find out what is the AT command to query for SMS
  • [09:25:45] <av500> and implement it
  • [09:25:58] <av500> thats not really beagle specific
  • [09:26:10] <dm8tbr> I hear it's so popular there is even a 3GPP standard for this...
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  • [09:28:28] <vin_> ya its not beagle specific i wanted help weither anyone is tried or has a idea of recieveing it...
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  • [09:31:03] <av500> as said, its AT commands
  • [09:31:42] * dm8tbr has done it in the past manually. terminal, spec in hand.
  • [09:31:45] <dm8tbr> it's not hard
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  • [09:51:16] <KotH> dm8tbr: getting a modem working is a lost art ever since dial up connections died out
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  • [09:54:00] <dolor1> hi. When using my beaglebone on my TV it works perfectly well. When I start playing music and then plug it onto my hifi system, the music is played on it also very well
  • [09:54:27] <dolor1> just until mplayer exits because of EOF - when then restarting it with the same song it won't play any music then
  • [09:54:41] <mrpackethead> KotH: don't you use dial up .ch
  • [09:56:03] <KotH> we did, 15y ago. then broad band connections came
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  • [09:56:15] <dm8tbr> KotH: since most wireless modems still speak AT it's not completely lost. I personally find it quite ridiculous, that there is a PPP connection from the host to the modem and that unpacks it and forwards raw IP to the network...
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  • [09:56:48] <KotH> dm8tbr: design by "so is' worden" :)
  • [09:56:57] <dm8tbr> yeah
  • [09:57:12] <mrpackethead> yup
  • [09:57:14] <dm8tbr> I'm not surprised that there are not more cdc-ether type modems around
  • [09:57:25] <dm8tbr> I've seen a few
  • [09:57:37] <dm8tbr> s/not//
  • [09:57:49] <mrpackethead> we use ip over dogs in NZ
  • [09:58:11] <suihkulokki> not over sheep?
  • [09:58:28] <KotH> they are used for other "things"
  • [09:58:33] <dm8tbr> yeah and the dogs are for QoS and traffic shaping ;)
  • [09:58:46] <mrpackethead> har har baaaaa
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  • [09:58:57] <mrpackethead> i enjoyed my roast lamb
  • [09:59:17] <dolor1> is there maybe some HDMI initialization to be done?
  • [10:01:38] <av500> dolor1: explain
  • [10:01:52] <av500> you unplug while playing?
  • [10:01:59] <av500> and replug into your hifi?
  • [10:03:02] <dolor1> exactly
  • [10:03:18] <dolor1> and then it works just as long as mplayer doesnt exit because the song ends
  • [10:03:38] <dolor1> as soon as this happens and you want to restart mplayer with another track, you won't hear a thing
  • [10:03:49] <dolor1> then I have to reboot the BBB with my TV connected and so on
  • [10:04:15] <dolor1> I am wondering how to do this HDMI initialization, which is done at boot-time, by myself
  • [10:04:28] * dm8tbr puts bets on EDID etc
  • [10:04:32] <av500> yeah
  • [10:04:49] <av500> cant your hifi pass through the HDMI?
  • [10:04:54] <av500> BBB -> hifi -> HDMI
  • [10:04:58] <av500> er
  • [10:05:00] <av500> BBB -> hifi -> TV
  • [10:05:17] <dolor1> it's a hdmi "audio extractor" from Ligawo
  • [10:05:21] <dolor1> and yes it can pass through
  • [10:05:26] <av500> ic
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  • [10:05:45] <av500> it is strange that it works at all
  • [10:05:53] <dolor1> why shouldn't it?
  • [10:05:57] <av500> normally when you unplug hdmi, it should stop
  • [10:06:31] <av500> and a replug would make a new hdmi connection
  • [10:06:31] <dm8tbr> probably the audio interface being in use keeps it alive?
  • [10:06:31] <av500> but I dont know what exactly happens
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  • [10:06:31] <av500> dm8tbr: yes
  • [10:06:31] <av500> dont know the details there
  • [10:06:36] <av500> anyway, what you want it to have only the audio thing
  • [10:06:40] <dm8tbr> which might be a kernel bug
  • [10:06:46] <dolor1> so how can I establish a new connection?
  • [10:06:57] <av500> you would need to debug it
  • [10:07:05] <av500> find out what your extractor reports
  • [10:07:20] <av500> maybe without a TV it does not report EDID at all
  • [10:07:30] <av500> so you need HDMI with a fake EDID
  • [10:07:37] <av500> dont know if that is possible yet
  • [10:07:39] <av500> koen: ^^^ ?
  • [10:07:42] <av500> jkridner|work: ^^^ ?
  • [10:08:21] <dolor1> oh wow, that sounds just a bit too high for me. I thought these devices all would work together
  • [10:08:33] <av500> well
  • [10:08:38] <av500> no idea what your extractor does
  • [10:08:46] <dolor1> it's a EPMI EP91A1K chip
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  • [10:09:44] <dolor1> it extracts the audio from HDMI signal and then it is converted using a DAC
  • [10:10:09] <mrpackethead> can you get chocolate out of the hdmi?
  • [10:10:24] <av500> dolor1: yes
  • [10:10:26] <mrpackethead> audio cape works well as well
  • [10:10:28] <av500> it has support for EDID
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  • [10:10:38] <av500> question is, what does it do without a TV
  • [10:10:50] <av500> dolor1: so, in passthrough, does it work?
  • [10:10:59] <dolor1> i will try right now
  • [10:11:14] <av500> hmm, it says EDID RAM
  • [10:11:21] <av500> I wonder if it caches the TV EDID in RAM
  • [10:11:25] <av500> as long as it is powered
  • [10:11:31] <av500> try that
  • [10:11:43] <av500> BBB -> EPMI -> TV
  • [10:11:49] <av500> then power off the TV
  • [10:11:53] <dolor1> I always have to reboot
  • [10:11:53] <av500> and reboot the BBB
  • [10:12:08] <av500> maybe EPMI caches the proper EDID
  • [10:12:41] <av500> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoneBlack_HDMI#EDID_Information
  • [10:12:45] <av500> dolor1: see ^^^^
  • [10:13:16] <dolor1> so now it runs using the TV
  • [10:13:22] <av500> passthrough?
  • [10:13:25] <dolor1> yes
  • [10:13:27] <av500> ok
  • [10:13:30] <dolor1> everything ok.
  • [10:13:33] <dolor1> now turning off TV
  • [10:14:09] <dolor1> still works
  • [10:14:28] <dolor1> I can start mplayer and close it and it will always play music
  • [10:14:50] <av500> now reboot the BBB
  • [10:14:59] <av500> leave the EPMI powered
  • [10:16:08] <dolor1> .. but the TV off?
  • [10:16:32] <dolor1> av500
  • [10:16:43] <av500> yes
  • [10:17:06] <av500> trying to find out if the EPMI caches the EDID info
  • [10:17:22] <dolor1> I see
  • [10:17:42] <dolor1> it does. works all fine
  • [10:17:59] <av500> even if you reboot?
  • [10:18:07] <dolor1> yes
  • [10:18:09] <av500> ok
  • [10:18:10] <av500> good
  • [10:18:13] <av500> leave it powered :)
  • [10:18:58] <dolor1> mhm. not very satisfying
  • [10:19:09] <dolor1> there's no work-around you could suggest?
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  • [10:21:21] <dolor1> but thank you very much, av500. I've got a greater understanding of HDMI now
  • [10:21:43] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 2 new commits to 3.8: http://git.io/gu8hFQ
  • [10:21:43] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 4099492 Koen Kooi: 3.8: add leds-pwm patches and bacon cape support...
  • [10:21:43] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 65fb545 Koen Kooi: 3.8: update beaglebone config...
  • [10:22:02] <av500> not for now
  • [10:22:15] <av500> HDMI assumes a proper EDID
  • [10:22:28] <av500> your box does not deliver one unless it saw a TV and cached the TV one
  • [10:22:37] <av500> makes sense for a passthrough scenario
  • [10:22:47] <av500> one could fake an EDID on the BBB side
  • [10:22:54] <av500> but I dont think the SW is there yet
  • [10:23:23] <dolor1> if I figure out how to do, I'll inform you
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  • [10:24:30] <koen> drm has a way to fake the EDID, but I haven't tried it myself
  • [10:24:51] <koen> there was talk about an small board with 2 hdmi plugs and an eeprom to act as a pass through
  • [10:25:15] <dolor1> what does drm stand for?
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  • [10:25:36] <koen> direct rendering mechanism or something
  • [10:25:46] <koen> it's a linux kernel framework for displays and stuff
  • [10:26:58] <dolor1> ah ok.
  • [10:26:58] <av500> (Direct Rendering Manager
  • [10:27:14] <av500> as soon as managment is involved, stuff goes downhill
  • [10:27:54] <dm8tbr> somebody called for management? ;)
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  • [10:28:47] <dolor1> so I could use a ??C which fakes the EDID of my monitor, if I knew how HDMI worked
  • [10:29:10] <KotH> isnt the edid data transfered over i2c ?
  • [10:29:14] <dm8tbr> or you could tell your BBB to ignore the EDID and use your own
  • [10:29:15] <av500> yes
  • [10:29:18] <av500> yes
  • [10:29:29] <dolor1> then it shouldn't be too hard
  • [10:29:34] <KotH> .o0(was heisst hier ja ja?)
  • [10:29:38] <av500> dolor1: you could just solder an I2C eeprom to the HDMI I2C lines
  • [10:29:44] <dm8tbr> KotH: does that make me a managed management service?
  • [10:30:06] <av500> M2S
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  • [10:30:12] <av500> do we have an M2S manager?
  • [10:30:17] <KotH> dm8tbr: i can give you a certificate stating that you are managed properly for a couple of $$$
  • [10:30:22] <dolor1> av500, I thought it wouldn't be a good idea to floss HDMI cables
  • [10:30:27] <av500> floss?
  • [10:30:34] <dm8tbr> KotH: I'd offer some chocolate instead
  • [10:30:47] <av500> I could manage some chocolate now
  • [10:30:51] <av500> bearely
  • [10:30:55] <dolor1> don't know how the word is in english...
  • [10:30:55] <KotH> dm8tbr: you're in finland, you have no high quallity chocolate source
  • [10:31:06] <dm8tbr> KotH: fazer is reasonably good
  • [10:31:18] <KotH> dm8tbr: that's mine to decide!
  • [10:31:19] <KotH> ;)
  • [10:31:27] <dolor1> when you connect wires out of a cable by soldering
  • [10:31:31] <dm8tbr> yes, next time we meet
  • [10:31:43] <dolor1> because high-speed HDMI
  • [10:31:53] <av500> nah
  • [10:31:54] <dm8tbr> dolor1: you could fly the wires on the PCB
  • [10:31:55] <av500> its fine
  • [10:32:06] <av500> coworker split an HDMI cable for CEC
  • [10:32:08] <dm8tbr> or maybe that I??C is even on the expansion connectors
  • [10:32:11] <av500> worked fine afterwards
  • [10:32:19] <av500> dm8tbr: not this one
  • [10:32:21] <av500> afaik
  • [10:32:36] <dm8tbr> well, enamel wires to the pads then
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  • [10:33:13] <dm8tbr> put a switch in to turn it on and off as needed. unless it's going to be like that for ever
  • [10:33:41] <av500> or solder it inside the EPMI box
  • [10:33:55] <av500> but I would just open a cable
  • [10:33:58] <koen> I think I also saw a patch allows you to embed the EDID into the DT
  • [10:33:59] <av500> and get to the pins
  • [10:34:05] <av500> koen: even better
  • [10:34:06] <koen> not sure if that one got accepted
  • [10:34:13] <av500> it sounds usefull
  • [10:34:16] <av500> so maybe not
  • [10:35:50] <av500> lunch
  • [10:35:51] <dolor1> pins 15, 16 right?
  • [10:36:26] <av500> on hdmi?
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  • [10:36:27] <bradfa> morning, channel
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  • [10:36:33] <av500> 17,18
  • [10:36:39] <av500> morning fuzzy
  • [10:36:49] * bradfa is all warm and fuzzy
  • [10:37:09] <dolor1> 17, 18 on beaglebone-side (type D connector)
  • [10:37:19] <dolor1> right?
  • [10:37:22] <av500> yes
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  • [10:37:31] <dolor1> will try this :)
  • [10:37:59] <av500> I would just patch the "read_edid()" function in the kernel
  • [10:38:17] <av500> hardcode it in the board file
  • [10:38:26] <bradfa> board files ftw
  • [10:38:29] <av500> +1
  • [10:38:37] <bradfa> we don't need no stinking generic frameworks
  • [10:38:40] <dolor1> but... I don't know how to
  • [10:38:46] <av500> then .... solder
  • [10:38:52] <av500> you still need to write that eeprom
  • [10:38:59] <av500> unless you desolder the one from your TV
  • [10:39:38] <dolor1> mhm... I will find out which way works best for me
  • [10:39:45] <av500> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2012-June/024600.html
  • [10:39:48] <av500> koen: ^^^
  • [10:40:01] <av500> https://plus.google.com/109348954914940290321/posts/7H1JU5Y7GYX
  • [10:40:07] <av500> oops
  • [10:40:10] <av500> not public
  • [10:40:12] <av500> ignore
  • [10:41:20] <av500> heh, I commented on that
  • [10:41:33] <av500> anywaylaters
  • [10:41:39] <dolor1> another problem:
  • [10:41:53] <dolor1> after a few minutes I have to reboot my BBB to establish a new HDMI connection
  • [10:42:07] <av500> sorry, only one problem per day
  • [10:42:12] <dolor1> :<
  • [10:42:16] <av500> we have a strict quota
  • [10:42:23] <av500> MGT issues...
  • [10:42:59] <dolor1> then I'll just come back tomorrow. :)
  • [10:43:20] <av500> we have your IP
  • [10:43:23] <av500> :)
  • [10:43:37] <dolor1> (or found out the solution by tomorrow already)
  • [10:43:42] <dolor1> so what?
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  • [10:49:22] <dolor1> cya and thank you again
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  • [11:50:57] <koen> av500: indeed, that's the patch I was thinking about
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  • [12:26:16] <R2E4> The RS-485 specification recommends connecting a 100-ohm resistor of at least 1/2 Watt in series between each node's signal ground and the network's ground wire, as the circuit above shows. This way, if the ground potentials of two nodes vary, the resistors will limit the current in the ground wire.
  • [12:26:31] <R2E4> That is the suggestion to take care of small ground loops
  • [12:26:48] <Crofton> This should be handy when your phone battery dies
  • [12:26:51] <Crofton> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=brdmnUBAS00
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  • [12:28:17] <R2E4> .
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  • [12:31:37] <sree__> hi
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  • [12:32:41] <teralaser> R2E4 : I assume that is if you do not galvanicly isolate the receiver ?
  • [12:33:27] <sree__> i dont understand
  • [12:33:38] <sree__> i am new to this chat
  • [12:33:47] <sree__> how is this working?
  • [12:33:54] <teralaser> hello sree__
  • [12:34:00] <sree__> hi
  • [12:34:38] <sree__> i want to download a source code for bb black
  • [12:34:45] <sree__> can u pls help me
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  • [12:36:57] <av500> Crofton: me missed to say to orient the empty battery at the bottom
  • [12:37:10] <koen> hmmm
  • [12:37:30] <koen> chocolate now or later
  • [12:37:44] * koen is trying out the delayed gratification concepts
  • [12:38:18] <RockyZheng> dm8tbr, i just fixed my problem using new built u-boot and uEnv.txt created by myself, now i can boot sitara linux (from TI) from emmc. :)
  • [12:40:25] <RockyZheng> av500,
  • [12:40:33] <RockyZheng> how can I clone this git repo ? https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8
  • [12:40:54] <RockyZheng> i can't its url for my clone
  • [12:43:08] <av500> it says "git clone url"
  • [12:43:12] <av500> on the right
  • [12:45:44] <RockyZheng> thanks
  • [12:45:47] <RockyZheng> i just find it
  • [12:46:28] <KotH> koen: research shows, that if you can work with delayed gratification, you will be more successful
  • [12:46:52] <KotH> koen: unfortunately, this research was mostly done with kids below the age of 10
  • [12:47:04] <KotH> koen: the applicability to adults is thus questionable :)
  • [12:48:12] <av500> KotH: didnt they show that the kids that were good at 10 did well in school too?
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  • [12:50:53] <SpeedEvil> KotH: It's not
  • [12:51:10] <SpeedEvil> KotH: Those kids were tracked throughout much of their life - it persists.
  • [12:52:44] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experiment
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  • [12:52:55] <SpeedEvil> I don't see the links I was thinking of.
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  • [12:53:11] <SpeedEvil> But behaviour at 2-3 has been found to be largely predictive in many ways of later behaviours.
  • [12:53:39] <av500> another study related to that is also interesting
  • [12:53:47] <av500> they did the test but cheated at gratification
  • [12:53:55] <av500> kids then stopped trusting
  • [12:54:12] <av500> thus you need to be sure that gratification is there
  • [12:54:19] <av500> in order for it to work
  • [12:54:30] <SpeedEvil> http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/362/1480/507.full - is also fascinating.
  • [12:54:37] <SpeedEvil> Scrub jays cache food for later.
  • [12:54:42] <SpeedEvil> Some birds steal food.
  • [12:55:05] <SpeedEvil> In general, birds only realise that other birds might steal food, after doing it themselves.
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  • [13:10:54] <OWayne> hi, has anyone ever had issues with journald hogging bandwidth?
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  • [13:15:07] * KotH would not be surprised
  • [13:15:24] <KotH> mru: someone is asking for some lennart bashing
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  • [13:16:22] <mru> can't be arsed
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  • [13:30:18] <georgem> OWayne: In what way
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  • [13:30:53] <georgem> OWayne: io bandwidth?
  • [13:31:05] <georgem> to the disk?
  • [13:32:59] <mru> bullshit bandwidth
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  • [13:34:24] <georgem> journald kicks ass
  • [13:34:54] * georgem pours some gasoline on the campfire
  • [13:36:05] <suihkulokki> perhaps something is just logging a lot
  • [13:36:41] <av500> maybe its the journald logs?
  • [13:36:43] <georgem> suihkulokki: If you have your rate limit settings configured correctly in /etc/systemd/journald.conf journald is design to handle that
  • [13:37:02] <av500> maybe it is logging that the rate limit has been reached?
  • [13:37:12] <georgem> lol
  • [13:37:21] <georgem> if so I'll buy mru a beer
  • [13:37:47] <av500> so he gets a beer and I just get a lol?
  • [13:38:22] <georgem> fine, you get one too
  • [13:38:35] <av500> good
  • [13:38:42] * av500 calls off the hit men
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  • [13:39:34] <KotH> georgem: what's the point in rate limiting logging, and thus loosing valuable information?
  • [13:40:11] <KotH> georgem: imho a logging daemon should be handle as much data rate as it can write to its destination device, whatever that might be
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  • [13:40:35] <av500> what if its out of carrier pidgeons?
  • [13:40:50] <av500> stop the CPU and breed new ones?
  • [13:41:00] <KotH> then i go to the next store, and buy another couple thousand pidgeons
  • [13:41:50] <KotH> but seriously, i had systems with a dedicated Gbit interface for syslog to send its messages out
  • [13:42:08] <av500> too bad that gbit is broken on BBB
  • [13:42:15] <georgem> KotH: It can be used for denial of service attacks. If you have your limits set correctly and you're monitoring logs you'll get plenty of notice that something is f'd so you can fix it immediately.
  • [13:42:16] <KotH> and what maxed out was the process generating these messages, not syslog, not the interface
  • [13:42:18] <av500> maybe one can bitbang a syslog cape?
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  • [13:42:41] <scoobs> farfanugen
  • [13:42:47] <KotH> av500: GMII signals are only 125MHz, so you can do it with a PRU
  • [13:43:06] <georgem> KotH: if you don't need it/want it off. that's why its a setting
  • [13:43:07] <jackmitchell> does someone know where gpio numbering gets set in the Linux kernel, I have looked in the GPIO driver and I can't see it, the devicetree doesn't set it... any clues on where to look?
  • [13:43:54] <KotH> georgem: i'm critizizing the need for such a limit in the first place. it tells me that logingd is inefficient enough that it can be maxed out
  • [13:44:10] <georgem> you mean journald
  • [13:44:19] <KotH> er.. yes, journald
  • [13:44:37] <KotH> chocomotor must have run out of chocolate
  • [13:44:40] <KotH> brb
  • [13:45:25] <georgem> KotH: its all relative. If you're running on a low power ARM server without much network bandwidth its going to max out earlier than a 12 core xeon with 10GBe
  • [13:46:19] <scoobs> anyone know any great accessories to invest in for the beagle bone black?
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  • [13:46:55] <georgem> KotH: actually... I think these limits only apply to journal file output not syslog forwarding (not sure about that) so this may just be to limit disk usage.
  • [13:47:30] <KotH> georgem: hmm...
  • [13:48:01] <KotH> scoobs: collar with diamonds, maybe?
  • [13:49:26] <scoobs> haha
  • [13:49:35] <scoobs> I need to find some screws and standoffs for mine
  • [13:49:57] <scoobs> I had some lexan cut to make a case/base for it just for a little protection
  • [13:50:01] <scoobs> but I need to mount it now
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  • [13:50:51] <KotH> http://elinux.org/BeagleBone#Cases
  • [13:51:18] <KotH> but i would still go for the collar
  • [13:51:37] <scoobs> I will but first I got to get the little guy a dog house
  • [13:51:55] <KotH> made out of solid gold?
  • [13:52:05] <georgem> FWIW on my embedded systems logging to flash you really want to be careful because flooding stuff to the logs can really bottle neck system performance and induce excessive flash wear. The rate limiting feature is very useful for dealing with this.
  • [13:52:07] <scoobs> no just lexan clear
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  • [13:54:59] <m_billybob> moo
  • [13:55:06] <KotH> got milk?
  • [13:55:19] <m_billybob> naw, have to lay off for a while
  • [13:55:37] * m_billybob drinks too much milk
  • [13:56:59] <KotH> as long as it's not carrots
  • [13:57:06] <OWayne> georgem: im back. If there are a lot of messages jornald can stat eating up the rest of the cpu bandwidth. I have conf setup so no logs are written because I am forward nessages on to ryslog to be passed over the network
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  • [13:57:54] <georgem> OWayne: can you paste your journald.conf
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  • [13:58:03] <OWayne> sure, 2 ticks
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  • [13:58:32] <georgem> also would be helpful to know which version of systemd you're running
  • [13:59:53] <OWayne> v189 grabbed via angstrom
  • [14:00:31] <OWayne> http://pastebin.com/CVNfzvka
  • [14:02:05] <OWayne> The rate settings have been tweaked with little effect. The only thing that works for me is to silence as much debug as possible, which I guess is a good thing
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  • [14:05:11] <georgem> that is quite unsettling, i'm looking into it...
  • [14:05:38] <OWayne> georgem: I did come across this mailing list http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2013-February/009137.html which seems to point to systemd not being very well optimised for embedded systems
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  • [14:10:46] <georgem> OWayne: I'm going to paste a few commits that have been made since the version you're using which could improve performance
  • [14:10:52] <georgem> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/src/journal?id=c2457105d76e3daf159f554a9bafb9751b23d756
  • [14:10:57] <georgem> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/src/journal?id=a569398925430de1f8479262e8ab39502054f2e9
  • [14:11:01] <georgem> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/src/journal?id=adb435bb70815461eeddf44dd5d6f1fc2ad9026d
  • [14:11:05] <georgem> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/src/journal?id=0a20e3c10761378869af7bbef2733e3ae879d0f1
  • [14:11:09] <XorA> hello mr das_plague
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  • [14:25:24] <koen> KotH: if we watched the same research video I really like the girl that only at the inside of the marshmellow
  • [14:28:27] <KotH> koen: i didnt watch any video... it was part of a lecture i had to take :)
  • [14:28:37] <KotH> koen: but i'd like to have a link to the video, if you have
  • [14:29:47] <koen> KotH: I think it was this one: http://www.ted.com/talks/joachim_de_posada_says_don_t_eat_the_marshmallow_yet.html
  • [14:30:11] <KotH> koen: ah.. taht one
  • [14:30:18] <KotH> koen: juup, that girl is cool :)
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  • [14:36:00] <ant_work> koen: what's the status of A. v2013.06-yocto1.4 ? Need more testing?
  • [14:37:53] <ant_work> koen: btw 2012.12's systemd-image seemd booting much faster than console-image on those ancient pda's
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  • [14:40:58] <koen> ant_work: more testing and the texinfo5+ and gcc 4.8 backports
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  • [14:54:47] <SoCo_cpp_> Is there a script or instructions to compile/cross-compile Qt, hopefully even Qt5, for the default BBB's Angstrom? (I know it isn't too hard to do from scratch, but it is a pain.)
  • [14:58:17] <gui_> is there any difference on how you enable and disable capes when you're running from SD or eMMC?
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  • [15:09:43] <ka6sox> av500, was that a Zenit the Russians blew up recently?
  • [15:10:19] <dm8tbr> ka6sox: proton-m
  • [15:11:22] <ka6sox> ah
  • [15:12:56] <av500> ka6sox: no, it did not reach it's zenit
  • [15:13:03] <av500> it blew up way before
  • [15:14:01] <ka6sox> av500, heh
  • [15:14:19] <ka6sox> looked like a guidance failure or one of the motors cut out
  • [15:16:14] <av500> ka6sox: upside down mounted sensor
  • [15:16:26] <av500> that threw off the guidance
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  • [15:17:43] <dm8tbr> well it almost managed to turn around the sensors in flight...
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  • [15:22:06] <OWayne> georgem: those patches don't apply because the file journald-server.c does not exist. systemd v189 is checked out at 38a60d7112d33ffd596b23e8df53d75a7c09e71b
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  • [15:27:50] <gui_> the VCC pin on the seria header J1, is it 5V or 3.3?
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  • [15:28:07] <mru> measure and find out
  • [15:28:24] <ray02> hi all
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  • [15:29:52] <georgem> OWayne: yeah... there have been a lot of changes to journald in the last year. Newest version of angstrom should (you may want to verify first) have a version of systemd with all of those changes in it. Alternatively you could try switching to busybox init
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  • [15:30:57] <ray02> any one have tryed to use beaglebone black for some 3d on real time?
  • [15:31:20] <panto> ray02, it's hard since the gpu driver is not ready yet
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  • [15:31:42] <mru> panto: he didn't ask if anyone had succeeded
  • [15:31:47] <ray02> eheh
  • [15:32:31] <ray02> yeah it was implied
  • [15:32:33] <ray02> :)
  • [15:32:53] <mru> and around here trolls are implied too
  • [15:33:11] * KotH crawls out under his bridge
  • [15:33:49] * dm8tbr throws KotH a red chocolate flavoured herring
  • [15:34:02] <KotH> bleh!
  • [15:34:28] * KotH throws dafodils at dm8tbr
  • [15:34:34] <KotH> daffodils*
  • [15:35:29] <ray02> so this project it's not working http://beagleboard.org/project/Irrlicht/
  • [15:35:30] <ray02> ?
  • [15:36:01] <KotH> the name fits very well
  • [15:36:22] <panto> beagleboard != beaglebone
  • [15:36:47] * SpeedEvil is reminded by KotH's comment of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhzpipafDTI - @1:08
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  • [15:37:54] <panto> hi alan_o
  • [15:38:00] <KotH> hoi alan_o
  • [15:38:06] <alan_o> hey guys
  • [15:38:16] <alan_o> what's new around #beagle-land?
  • [15:38:29] <KotH> trolls and n00bs
  • [15:38:38] <gui_> is there any difference in the optargs usage when I boot from SD or eMMC?
  • [15:38:38] <KotH> oh. wait, these are old things
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  • [15:49:07] <OWayne> georgem: I have stuck at denzil for now, but I wonder if I could grab systemd from dylan and try that. Thanks for your efforts, much appreciated
  • [15:50:41] <mru> dylan? bob?
  • [15:51:22] <ogra_> mru, i would expect him to be saner than to have anything to do with lennartd
  • [15:52:17] <mru> he must have written 'everything is broken' for a reason
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  • [15:59:06] <gui_> would anyone bother to analize this for me and guess why my SPI ports are not being enabled? http://pastebin.com/WJmCWrAv
  • [15:59:19] <gui_> they work when I boot from SD, but not from eMMC
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  • [16:11:35] <jsarman> failed to load firmware 'BB-SPI0-ENABLE-00A0.dtbo'
  • [16:12:13] <jsarman> is the firmware in your SD filesystem and not on the eMMC
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  • [16:14:51] <jsarman> In the BeagleBone kernel, cape Device Tree fragments are located in firmware/capes. Each cape is represented by a single DTS (Device Tree Source) fragment file. At kernel build time, these fragments are compiled by the Device Tree Compiler into dtbo files (Device Tree Blob Object). At install time, these dtbo objects are copied to /lib/firmware.
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  • [16:17:05] <jsarman> gui: can you ls /lib/firmware
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  • [16:18:03] <gui_> jsarman, my dtbo files are there
  • [16:18:22] <jsarman> ok just checking that first
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  • [16:18:34] <gui_> BB-SPI0-ENABLE-00A0.dtbo
  • [16:18:38] <gui_> BB-SPI1-ENABLE-00A0.dtbo
  • [16:19:13] <gui_> the eMMC is an exact image of the SD card
  • [16:19:20] <jsarman> on the eMMC /lib/firmware and sd's /lib/firmware
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  • [16:19:56] <gui_> let me mount just to make sure
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  • [16:23:22] <jsarman> gui: Im just scanning http://elinux.org/Capemgr
  • [16:25:14] <gui_> is there any pastebin-like page that compare files?
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  • [16:26:49] <Hank> is there a temp sensor in the BBB core? I was wondering about it, because my beaglebone gets really hot
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  • [16:27:34] <gui_> jsarman, I just checked, the lists of files are identical
  • [16:28:06] <jsarman> http://hipstercircuits.com/enable-spi-with-device-tree-on-beaglebone-black-copy-paste/
  • [16:28:14] <jsarman> maybe that'll help
  • [16:28:36] <gui_> I followed that tutorial, even left some comments (see Guilherme at the end, it's me)
  • [16:28:43] <jsarman> weren't you screwing with the hdmi setting in the bootloader last night
  • [16:29:04] <gui_> there are a few mistakes in that .dts example though
  • [16:29:51] <gui_> no, yesterday I was screwing on how to make an img from the SD and copy to the eMMC :P
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  • [16:31:04] <Bonobone> i am searching a way to install a windows on beaglebone black.... VMWare or sth. like that?
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  • [16:31:11] <av500> no
  • [16:31:39] <Bonobone> but is possible for raspberry pi
  • [16:31:43] <gui_> is there any Windows 7 Embedded verion for arm?
  • [16:31:46] <gui_> version
  • [16:31:51] <jsarman> ok well you should keep posting on that tutorial. Good Luck
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  • [16:31:57] <Bonobone> gui i have but ...
  • [16:32:15] <av500> there is WinCE
  • [16:32:36] * mranostay winces
  • [16:32:58] <gui_> thanks jsarman
  • [16:32:58] * LetoThe2nd winds mranostay up
  • [16:33:16] <Bonobone> no i wanted win xp or i was satisfied with the latest PC Ubuntu Version. do you have an image?
  • [16:33:32] <Hank> is there an internal temperatur sensor, which one can read? Did you guys ever worried about your temperatur?
  • [16:34:01] <Bonobone> i saw a motion detector for raspberry pi on ebay... but
  • [16:34:26] <av500> Hank: once I had a high fever
  • [16:34:30] <av500> my mom was worried
  • [16:34:35] <Hank> lol
  • [16:34:49] <Bonobone> win 7 could be run on a raspberry pi with VMWare . Can winxp be run on a beaglebone board?
  • [16:34:50] <gui_> just once? you're a healthy bou
  • [16:34:51] <gui_> boy
  • [16:35:08] <av500> Bonobone: XP cannot run on Beaglebone
  • [16:35:13] <dm8tbr> Bonobone: there is no vmware for arm.
  • [16:35:15] <av500> nor on raspberry pi
  • [16:35:19] <dm8tbr> neither on the raspi
  • [16:35:51] <jsarman> you would only want to run win 7 on VMware on a 1Gh proc to say you did it cause if its for a product then you are doing it wrong
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  • [16:36:00] <dm8tbr> you can do weird stuff like qemu-x86, but that has the performance of ice cold honey
  • [16:36:17] <LetoThe2nd> dm8tbr: nah, the honey is considerably faster..
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  • [16:36:36] <dm8tbr> LetoThe2nd: at 0K, I doubt ;)
  • [16:36:55] <av500> Hank: there seems to be a bandgap on the AM335x
  • [16:36:55] <LetoThe2nd> dm8tbr: hehe
  • [16:36:57] <jsarman> please elaborate on your reasoning as why you would want to do that other than to flex your ego
  • [16:37:00] <av500> at least the TRM mentions one
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  • [16:37:11] <gui_> well, enough of BBBs for a while
  • [16:37:16] <av500> no idea if there is driver support
  • [16:37:20] * gui_ is going to practice some soldering skills
  • [16:37:31] <gui_> see ya o/
  • [16:37:37] <jsarman> did you build your serial cable
  • [16:37:42] <dm8tbr> gui_: soldersmoke, don't breathe ;)
  • [16:37:47] <bonobone_> but i saw it on youtube how to run a windows.... on raspberry... a little bit slower than beagel
  • [16:37:50] <Hank> with "vcgencmd measure_temp" on RPi it's pretty easy to read the temp. Something like that for the BBB would be nice, but couldnt figure out yet, if there is a sensor at all?
  • [16:37:51] <bonobone_> beagle
  • [16:38:10] <dm8tbr> bonobone_: _why_ would you want that?
  • [16:38:11] <LetoThe2nd> bonobone_: you probably saw a video showing a vnc clinet.
  • [16:38:24] <jsarman> please tell me the reason
  • [16:38:30] <LetoThe2nd> bonobone_: which is indeed super groundbreaking technology and totally unheard of
  • [16:38:34] <LetoThe2nd> *SCNR*
  • [16:38:40] <jsarman> I love MS fanboy reasonings
  • [16:38:55] <dm8tbr> LetoThe2nd: SHHHH, don't leak the sekrit reasonings!
  • [16:39:12] <bonobone_> i wanted to use a sound card usb cause i have no hdmi sound on the beagle now.... possible with ubuntu?
  • [16:39:19] <LetoThe2nd> dm8tbr: thanks, but i'm not interested in your sekrets.
  • [16:39:27] <jsarman> more likely than your idea
  • [16:39:34] <jsarman> may just work
  • [16:39:37] <jsarman> may not
  • [16:39:40] <av500> Hank: read what I wrote
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  • [16:39:58] <dm8tbr> bonobone_: your statement doesn't quite make sense
  • [16:39:59] <av500> bonobone: yes
  • [16:40:02] <Hank> yes thanks av500 I am already looking it up
  • [16:40:07] <jsarman> but you would be more likely to write a custom kernel driver for it than to get win7 on it then find a driver for it
  • [16:40:11] <av500> 9.3.9 bandgap_ctrl Register (offset = 448h) [reset = 0h]
  • [16:40:23] <av500> usb sound cards work fine
  • [16:40:31] <av500> as far as USB can ever work fine
  • [16:40:40] <dm8tbr> well better than on the rpi
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  • [16:41:14] <jsarman> go google make menuconfig
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  • [16:42:19] <jsarman> I wondered if my terminal background would go red if someone asked if win 7 could be booted
  • [16:42:26] * jsarman is sad it didn't
  • [16:43:11] <Hank> haha :D
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  • [16:44:47] <jsarman> I was bored eariler and was going to joking ask the win 7 ? but patience won out
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  • [16:48:20] <Hank> I found the page about the band gap register in the TI ref manual, but dont know how to read from that register. Any hints?
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  • [16:49:09] <panto> Hank, since there's no driver for it yet, I wouldn't try to do anything with it
  • [16:49:24] <KotH> then why not write a driver?
  • [16:49:31] <KotH> can't be that hard
  • [16:49:56] <panto> KotH, I have a hunch that not being a driver yet, might mean there's something complicated there
  • [16:50:08] <Hank> ya I think that would be a project in itself.
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  • [16:50:36] <KotH> panto: i doubt it. the lmdriver framework didnt seem that complicated when i had a look at it
  • [16:50:44] <KotH> panto: i'd rather guess that nobody had a need for it yet
  • [16:51:01] * panto shrugs
  • [16:51:04] <panto> go for it then
  • [16:51:15] <KotH> send a bbb this way and i might do it :)
  • [16:52:13] <ynezz> you can't do it in 15 minutes, I doubt that
  • [16:52:20] <Hank> bandgap, is that something like a transistor that changes its behavior dependant on the temp? Is that done similar in the Rpi?
  • [16:53:00] <KotH> Hank: bandgap is the name of the thing that gets probed by using a transistor :)
  • [16:53:18] <KotH> Hank: the bandgap is the gap between the valence and the conducting bands
  • [16:53:49] <KotH> Hank: and a bandgap circuit is a voltage reference based on this band difference
  • [16:54:05] <KotH> Hank: this voltage is sensitive to temperature, thus it can be used to measure the temperature
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  • [16:54:22] <Hank> and the bandgap that one can access with the Reg is made for this applic measuring the temp or are there other needs for it?
  • [16:54:53] <KotH> i assume it's a bandgap circuit with an ADC
  • [16:54:58] <KotH> and you read out that ADC
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  • [16:56:05] <KotH> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandgap_voltage_reference
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  • [16:57:15] <Hank> the data sheet is saying something of "Temperature data from ADC. To be used when end of conversion (EOCZ) is 0." that's interesting. I hope I find time to dig into it, but not sure how difficult it will be to do it
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  • [17:01:32] <Hank> picture of Rpi: http://hackaday.com/2012/06/23/checking-out-the-temperature-of-a-raspberry-pi/
  • [17:02:06] <Hank> a thermal picture of the BBB would result in read ICs all over the board
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  • [17:02:20] <jsarman> The battery input for the TPS65217C has a TS input, but Im not sure if you can get the reading
  • [17:02:42] <jsarman> on the BBB its TP7
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  • [17:03:30] <jsarman> but you would have to add the actual sensor so probably just as easy to just add a 1-wire, i2c or spi sensor and be done with it
  • [17:05:20] <KotH> Hank: what is your goal? preventing the cpu on the bbb from overheating?
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  • [17:06:04] <Hank> no I just love to play with it and learn something new.
  • [17:06:15] <KotH> so ka
  • [17:06:20] <KotH> then hack on! :-)
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  • [17:07:27] <Hank> was wondering why it get's so hot, when I use the CPU at a 100% :)
  • [17:07:55] <panto> that's information cooking...
  • [17:10:47] <jsarman> you should try reading the dtemp reg in the TSC_ADC if you are in hacking mode
  • [17:11:06] <jsarman> that sounds worth a shot at least
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  • [17:41:12] <c10ud> here's an interesting thing: I'm connecting an atmega328 ttl pins to bbb's uart0. i'm shifting 5v to 3.3v with two simple resistors and the bbb receives just fine. however, connecting directly the 3.3v (tx) ->5v (rx) line powers down the atmega328 (arduino) (!).. this is kind of weird
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  • [17:51:50] <Rickta59> do you have a shared ground between them c10ud
  • [17:52:20] <c10ud> yes
  • [17:52:28] <Rickta59> why don'
  • [17:52:32] <Willdude123> http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18tjbjljfr4w6jpg/ku-xlarge.jpg
  • [17:52:38] <Rickta59> t you just run the atmega328 with 3.3 v
  • [17:52:53] <Willdude123> This says the bone can run windows.
  • [17:52:59] <Willdude123> A quick google says no.
  • [17:53:03] <c10ud> because i need the outputs at 5v for some other components
  • [17:53:30] <c10ud> anyway, i tried with another arduino (bigger model) and it worked.. that's why I'm thinking I'm missing something..
  • [17:53:59] <Rickta59> should work
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  • [17:55:22] <c10ud> yep, weird..and it only happens when you try sending data (bbb->atmega)..simply connecting won't do harm
  • [17:56:32] <jsarman> clOud you must have a wiring issue, like an output to an output, which is causeing havoc when the line is trying to be both a 1 and a 0, and the Ti chip is winning.
  • [17:57:39] <jsarman> make sure the Arduino RX pin is properly being set to input. Preferably with oscope and debugger.
  • [17:57:40] <_av500_> Willdude123: WindowsCE
  • [17:57:41] <_av500_> yes
  • [17:57:46] <_av500_> Windows XP,7,8
  • [17:57:48] <_av500_> no
  • [17:59:21] <jsarman> I would test it by hitting a breakpoint in the ard code then just changing the value in the Output reg. If the pin voltage changes with the reg change then for some reason the port is misconfigured
  • [17:59:59] <jsarman> I've been down that road before :)
  • [18:00:03] <c10ud> jsarman, I'm using the default ttl pins, they should be auto configured (I have an ftdi adapter that is wired to the same pin)
  • [18:00:13] <c10ud> but i'll double check
  • [18:00:23] <_av500_> http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/07/11/russia-spies-nsa-typewriters-documents-computers/2508751/
  • [18:00:27] <jsarman> yeah Im not disagreeing just engineering
  • [18:00:44] <c10ud> that's why I said I'll double check, I know the pain
  • [18:00:44] <c10ud> :)
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  • [18:04:44] <jsarman> Yeah I had this issue a few time in the past with msp430's, now I use a 20mA reg for the 430, because instead of the IO pin getting damaged the msp430 just browns out and resets. That way I know I am doing something wrong.
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  • [18:17:31] <Rickta59> interesting way to deal with it jsarman
  • [18:17:47] <Rickta59> which chip is that ? the 20mA regulator?
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  • [18:41:33] <jsarman> they make alot of the micropower regulators
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  • [18:44:32] <jsarman> for example: I didn't use this one but similar
  • [18:44:35] <jsarman> http://cds.linear.com/docs/en/design-note/dn314f.pdf
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  • [18:44:51] <jsarman> 80V input 5V @ 50mA
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  • [19:00:17] <SpeedEvil> The trivial way.
  • [19:00:30] <SpeedEvil> You place a x ohm resistor in the inptu of the regulator
  • [19:00:55] <SpeedEvil> There are of course better solutions, yes.
  • [19:01:01] <SpeedEvil> But that one is generally fine
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  • [19:16:50] <scoobs> anyone running unbuntu?
  • [19:17:03] <scoobs> want some real life opinions on OS
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  • [19:19:02] <_Sy_> hello
  • [19:19:06] <jimsus> Aye, I too would like to know what operating systems people have the most joy with.
  • [19:19:25] <jimsus> Having real issues getting the WiFi dongle i have working with Angstrom
  • [19:19:26] <pbcw> i am. psuedo PITA to install. to interact with the board you need the right node.ks modules. It works fairly well for running an OS (ssh, webseserver etc). I But i probably wouldn't do any GPIO development without angstrom
  • [19:19:55] <jimsus> Welp, Angstrom it is for me then!
  • [19:20:14] <pbcw> but, that is just me.
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  • [19:20:55] <_Sy_> Been rebuilding systems all night...got to setting up drive mapping in fstab and have screwed it up....
  • [19:20:58] <jimsus> Just need to get this damn WiFi driver working ;)
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  • [19:21:20] <_Sy_> can someone tell me whats wrong with this and how should it read? "
  • [19:21:20] <_Sy_> /dev/sda /mnt/usbstick auto rw,defaults 0 0
  • [19:21:20] <_Sy_> "
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  • [19:21:28] <jimsus> I'd ask for help, but I'm in the middle of splatting Angstrom back!!
  • [19:22:13] <KotH> _Sy_: man fstab
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  • [19:22:58] <KotH> _Sy_: the old unix config files are all described in their respective manpages
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  • [19:23:32] <_Sy_> What I've done looks ok according to the site I'm looking at on fstab, but now it won't boot
  • [19:23:51] <KotH> what error do you get?
  • [19:23:58] <KotH> and what was the line before?
  • [19:24:01] <_Sy_> None it won't start
  • [19:24:18] <KotH> have you a serial console connected?
  • [19:24:32] <_Sy_> no
  • [19:24:34] <KotH> well
  • [19:24:39] <KotH> that's your problem then
  • [19:24:43] <KotH> you dont see the boot messages
  • [19:24:58] <KotH> connect a serial cable and have a look at the boot messages
  • [19:25:03] <KotH> they will tell you what's wrong
  • [19:25:03] <_Sy_> I'll make one up tomorrow....bugger, forgot to do it today
  • [19:25:24] <KotH> never start hacking with an embedded linux system w/o having a serial console running
  • [19:25:44] <KotH> ie, you should have gotten one weeks ago ;)
  • [19:26:00] <_Sy_> kicking myself this is the 3rd time I've set these up...have noted everything down in evernote, except the fstab details.
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  • [19:27:31] <KotH> tststs
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  • [19:27:56] <KotH> real men have an svn/git/whatever repo where they store all their config files and build scripts
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  • [19:28:04] <KotH> so they can go back when something went wrong
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  • [19:29:06] <_Sy_> I thought I had created a backup image, but as it turns out I didn't do it correctly, is there a FAQ or site with instructions on how to backup eMMC once I'm done?
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  • [20:34:54] <_Sy_> Just ordered one of these.... should help... http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0055ELU46/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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  • [20:44:28] <vaizki_> sy is so helpful, keeping us up to date
  • [20:44:37] <Spirilis> lulz
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  • [21:01:31] <vaizki_> speaking of ftdi, anyone have experience with the usb-to-ttl/rs232/rs485 boards claiming ftdi chips.. worth my money?
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  • [21:26:58] <vaizki_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Newlink-QUAD-USB-2-0-Serial-RS232-Adapter-4-Port-/200573327284?pt=UK_Computing_Parallel_Serial_PS_2&hash=item2eb31a17b4
  • [21:27:04] <vaizki_> I wonder if anyone falls for that...
  • [21:30:19] <djlewis> apparantly 24 have
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  • [21:39:46] <Willdude123> Will the uart baudrate go down to 50 onnthe black?
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  • [21:40:50] <Shadyman1> vaizki_: What's wrong with that?
  • [21:41:11] <Shadyman1> vaizki_: I'd imagine it uses an FT4232H or equivalent
  • [21:41:32] <Shadyman1> vaizki_: Ohhhh.
  • [21:41:35] <Shadyman1> vaizki_: Ouch.
  • [21:41:46] <Shadyman1> Nevermind.
  • [21:41:58] <Shadyman1> better use gold-plated FT4232Hs for that price :/
  • [21:42:52] <Shadyman1> make that solid gold.
  • [21:43:12] <SpeedEvil> MicroSDs are worth more than their weight in gold.
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  • [22:03:02] <Rush_4ever> Hi
  • [22:03:40] <vaizki_> Rush_4ever: hello! do you have a FTDI cable for debug serial console access?
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  • [22:04:51] <Rush_4ever> No I haven't got one, planning on getting one tho.
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  • [22:06:42] <Rush_4ever> I'm having some problems with the new kernel version, some python libraries seem to have some difficulties with this and therefore i am loooking for an angstrom version which van be flashed to eMMC which uses kernel 3.2.
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  • [22:07:37] <jsarman> vaizki: do we have another client that needs serial debug?
  • [22:08:59] <jsarman> whoever is the ops for this board the motd should say please have your serial debug cable plugged in and operation before asking for help
  • [22:10:58] <djlewis> bored with a capital B
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  • [22:11:27] <vaizki_> python libraries have problems with your kernel version?
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  • [22:11:45] <vaizki_> jsarman: aaaand here's gui_!
  • [22:11:55] <vaizki_> right on cue
  • [22:12:14] <gui_> dafuq did I do?
  • [22:12:36] <gui_> hi, btw
  • [22:12:44] <vaizki_> 2 minutes ago -- jsarman: whoever is the ops for this board the motd should say please have your serial debug cable plugged in and operation before asking for help
  • [22:12:52] <vaizki_> just a funny coincidence
  • [22:12:54] <vaizki_> and oh hi
  • [22:12:57] <gui_> hahaha
  • [22:13:17] <gui_> i made my own cable #nerdpride #noooot
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  • [22:13:52] <vaizki_> do you have a fab for making usb-serial chips?
  • [22:13:57] <gui_> since youre here, would you mind check line 41 for me? http://pastebin.com/TUizbTjs
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  • [22:14:10] <gui_> no, it's a pure serial, RS232
  • [22:14:13] <gui_> level converter
  • [22:14:35] <vaizki_> ah
  • [22:14:57] <vaizki_> line 41 looks ok. line 42 doesn't
  • [22:15:01] <gui_> thank you Dell, the only PC manufacture who still supply us with beautiful serial ports :)
  • [22:15:15] <gui_> yeah, i meant 42
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  • [22:15:40] <gui_> i'm running the BBB with ubuntu, no HDMI cable plugged, no optargs
  • [22:15:44] <vaizki_> well you are loading two virtual cape definitions which conflict
  • [22:16:06] <vaizki_> one or both of them are requiring exclusive use of P8.45
  • [22:16:37] <gui_> there are 3 capes being loaded: eMMC-2G, HDMI and HDMIN
  • [22:16:48] <gui_> all of them are "default" capes
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  • [22:16:50] <jsarman> gui: Im happier with my ftdi as I can make it go 1 mbps, built in serial is lucky if it can go 230400
  • [22:17:48] <gui_> if I had 9600, that'd be enough :P
  • [22:18:14] <jsarman> here's lesson since you are younger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16550_UART
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  • [22:18:48] <jsarman> thats ole school for me and was hi tech pre usb
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  • [22:19:28] <gui_> just cause i'm younger doesnt mean I don't know history
  • [22:19:36] <vaizki_> I can't really help with cape debugging, I have never hooked up anything to the HDMI in my BBB
  • [22:19:50] <Rush_4ever> The PyBBIO llibrary does have a problem with the PWM folder which does not exist anymore on kernel 3.8
  • [22:20:11] <gui_> may I tell you that I'm from a 3rd world country, and I used to learn things, somtimes, in 20+ years old equipment
  • [22:20:11] <jsarman> i figured you did just passing some along if you didnt
  • [22:20:20] <vaizki_> Rush_4ever: you probably just have to modprobe a module to regain it?
  • [22:20:39] <vaizki_> gui_: which country?
  • [22:20:42] <jsarman> as I was passed the punch card stories from my profs and I was like sux to be you
  • [22:20:43] <gui_> Brazil
  • [22:21:00] <vaizki_> umm ok well I don't think it's a third world country :D
  • [22:21:11] <vaizki_> it's a economic up & coming powerhouse
  • [22:21:14] <vaizki_> an
  • [22:21:20] <vaizki_> 'cuse my english
  • [22:21:21] <gui_> well... it's not 1st, and there's no 2nd, so it has to be 3rd
  • [22:21:34] <jsarman> in America news has been talking up the billionaires in Brazil all week
  • [22:22:06] <gui_> like the one who bought Burguer King and Heinz?
  • [22:22:27] <jsarman> i just heard them start talking about it and zoned out
  • [22:22:39] <jsarman> I didn't really stay for the story
  • [22:22:42] <vaizki_> goddammit that wikipedia pic of the 16550A brings back some memories
  • [22:22:52] <gui_> i've been living in US for 10 months and I still can't watch tv here
  • [22:23:01] <mru> kill(SIGTROLL)
  • [22:23:11] <Rush_4ever> vaizki_: https://github.com/alexanderhiam/PyBBIO/issues/20
  • [22:23:13] <gui_> it is so so so annoying with all those stupid commercials
  • [22:23:23] <jsarman> not sure how they do it in brazil but here they talk about the upcoming story for an hour before showing it
  • [22:23:34] <jsarman> by then Im over it
  • [22:23:36] <gui_> Rush_4ever, if you need PWM, give it a try to Adafruit BBIO
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  • [22:24:32] <vaizki_> Rush_4ever: sorry can't help you, I'm not an angstrom user
  • [22:24:49] <gui_> jsarman, I remember one episode of a live policial-program which the host spent the whole program talking about some "dossie" whe'd show revealing some serious stuff. and HE DIDN'T SHOW!
  • [22:25:00] <vaizki_> then again we Arch users live on the bleeding edge always, and there's often no way to go back in time :)
  • [22:25:06] <jsarman> gui: Im so glad you took the effort and built the debug cable
  • [22:25:17] <vaizki_> gui_: just don't watch tv
  • [22:25:28] <gui_> that's what I do vaizki_
  • [22:25:39] <jsarman> vaizki: aren't you on solar and batteries
  • [22:25:50] <vaizki_> not today
  • [22:25:50] <jsarman> TV would waste the watts
  • [22:25:53] <jsarman> oh
  • [22:25:58] <gui_> I usually go to the movies, netflix or buy some movies in a certain bay
  • [22:26:21] <vaizki_> boat + car ride to town, spending the night here, paying some bills etc.. going back tomorrow
  • [22:26:34] <jsarman> see my prob is I'm American and TV is what raises us
  • [22:27:01] <jsarman> luckily for me my parents got me an atari 400 and the Basic cartridge
  • [22:27:10] <gui_> your family raised you.
  • [22:27:18] <gui_> they tell how much TV you can watch
  • [22:27:27] <gui_> in a direct ir indirect way
  • [22:27:28] <vaizki_> jsarman was raised by an atari
  • [22:27:32] <Rush_4ever> maybe videos of his family on tv ?
  • [22:27:47] <gui_> raised by pitfall
  • [22:27:50] * jsarman loved his Atari 400
  • [22:28:01] <vaizki_> frogger parenting
  • [22:28:02] <gui_> i've never seen an atari in front of me
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  • [22:28:10] <gui_> :/
  • [22:28:18] <jsarman> the atari 400 is not the atari 2600
  • [22:28:26] <gui_> my first videogame was a N64
  • [22:28:30] <gui_> second a master system
  • [22:28:34] <Rush_4ever> same here
  • [22:28:40] <jsarman> it actually had a keyboard and could be programmed
  • [22:28:42] <gui_> and master system > anything
  • [22:28:53] <gui_> 3D goggles
  • [22:28:57] <gui_> lightphaser
  • [22:29:10] <jsarman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atari-400-Comp.jpg
  • [22:29:17] <gui_> the name says it all... it's a MASTER system
  • [22:29:21] <vaizki_> yea but Atari 400 had Frogger
  • [22:29:43] <gui_> LOL looks like a checkout machine from the market
  • [22:29:51] <gui_> who do you call it?
  • [22:29:59] <gui_> how*
  • [22:30:01] <Rush_4ever> i guess i wasnt born back then when it came out lol
  • [22:30:02] <jsarman> my parents didn't go that far got the system with basic and star raiders and thats it
  • [22:30:32] <vaizki_> that keyboard.. argh
  • [22:30:52] <jsarman> oh dude in 80's was the bomb
  • [22:31:10] <Rush_4ever> must've given some serious haptic feedback
  • [22:31:20] <gui_> ahahhaha
  • [22:31:21] <vaizki_> sorry but my vic-20 was the bomb in '81
  • [22:31:39] <jsarman> well I was happy to be able to compute
  • [22:31:57] <gui_> a few days ago I was wondering: if men went to moon with 256KB... I think I can make a rocket with this beaglebone
  • [22:31:59] <vaizki_> of course. but I always hated those membrane keybosrds
  • [22:32:03] <vaizki_> boards
  • [22:32:13] <jsarman> me too now
  • [22:32:17] <vaizki_> 256kb? what?
  • [22:32:25] <jsarman> back then I knew nothing else
  • [22:32:26] <vaizki_> apollo flight computer didn't have 256kb?
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  • [22:32:35] <gui_> less? more?
  • [22:32:47] <gui_> what ever... it was insignificant compared to nowadays
  • [22:32:58] <vaizki_> 2048*16bit words ram
  • [22:33:12] <vaizki_> so basically 4k
  • [22:33:13] <gui_> thats 32KB
  • [22:33:25] <gui_> Kb
  • [22:33:26] <vaizki_> no it's 32kb or 4kB
  • [22:33:31] <gui_> yeah, my bad
  • [22:33:36] <BobCat> 32kB ought ot be enough for anyone
  • [22:34:03] <Rush_4ever> tell that to a digital camera
  • [22:34:10] <vaizki_> well it's more than many of the MCUs have that I use
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  • [22:34:36] <gui_> Rush_4ever, have you seen that "russian photoshop from the 70's"?
  • [22:34:44] <vaizki_> a 1 usd mcu would take the apollo to the moon easy
  • [22:34:47] <jsarman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
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  • [22:35:09] <jsarman> not going pretend I knew any of that but man that was engineering
  • [22:35:13] <gui_> can we rebuild apolo using a PIC?
  • [22:35:35] <jsarman> i guess but might as well use best available
  • [22:36:10] <jsarman> PIC I skipped cause I had the HC08 with flash memory
  • [22:36:25] <jsarman> and at the time the PIC had to be UV erased
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  • [22:37:04] <jsarman> which took like 30 minutes for new chip and longer the more you reprogrammed
  • [22:37:16] <gui_> UV, what millenium was dat?
  • [22:37:21] <jsarman> 90's
  • [22:37:23] <vaizki_> well the AGC had it's own instruction set, a PIC32 could easily emulate it
  • [22:37:42] <jsarman> yeah dude I barely skipped that
  • [22:37:51] <gui_> i played with some EPROM in the lab once
  • [22:38:00] <gui_> covered with electrical tape
  • [22:38:02] <jsarman> I was first class in my EE program with flash based micros
  • [22:38:25] <jsarman> we could flash in like 2 secs
  • [22:38:28] <jsarman> or so
  • [22:38:50] <jsarman> and laughed at the older students who didn't want to learn the new stuff
  • [22:39:20] <gui_> that's why I never wanted to learn history
  • [22:39:21] <jsarman> then we got msp430's later on so I never touched pics
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  • [22:39:47] <jsarman> not knocking them just didn't go down that road
  • [22:40:02] <gui_> so I guess you didn't play with arduinos either
  • [22:40:13] <gui_> "too easy for me"
  • [22:40:15] <vaizki_> I've never used a PIC either
  • [22:40:40] <jsarman> not really but I like em cause I can drive 10 minutes from my house and buy one
  • [22:40:48] <jsarman> at radio shack
  • [22:41:02] <Rush_4ever> the cyclling team ?
  • [22:41:14] <gui_> in Brazil I need to ride 1h30 to get either one
  • [22:41:23] <jsarman> so I think that is awesome, but having the beagle XM I didn't need the arduino
  • [22:42:19] <Rush_4ever> I order everything online instead of going shopping
  • [22:42:25] <Tenkawa> jsarman: got a bbb by chance?
  • [22:42:41] <jsarman> coming either in the morning or Saturday
  • [22:42:45] <Tenkawa> ah
  • [22:42:59] <Tenkawa> works very nicely
  • [22:43:04] <jsarman> Ti sent me email late, I thought I was first
  • [22:43:15] <jsarman> then realized Im late to the party
  • [22:43:20] <gui_> not so nicely i'd say
  • [22:43:22] <gui_> :(
  • [22:43:28] <Tenkawa> gui_: why?
  • [22:43:43] <jsarman> gui I think you are trying to hard
  • [22:43:44] <gui_> I have a great setup on my SD card
  • [22:43:52] <jsarman> I have same problem
  • [22:44:01] <gui_> but when I copy 1:1 to the eMMC, some weird stuff happens
  • [22:44:02] <Tenkawa> mine is running slackware quite nicely
  • [22:44:07] <jsarman> I can figure out every way to make something not work
  • [22:44:28] <jsarman> after Im done I know pretty much everything about it
  • [22:44:35] <gui_> I had a teacher, quite funny
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  • [22:45:01] <vaizki_> gui_: but now you have the cable so you know what's wrong..
  • [22:45:04] <gui_> he'd tell us many times about the novice students who used to fail the led-blink first class
  • [22:45:06] <Tenkawa> ooh llvm 3.3.. this should be fun
  • [22:45:06] <jsarman> cause I had to learn the dirty details
  • [22:45:38] <jsarman> I did those quite well
  • [22:45:41] <gui_> he'd say that some students insisted in coding something where you push the LED and the button lights up
  • [22:46:27] <vaizki_> hmm.. apollo used LOL memory for ROM. Short for Little Old Lady memory
  • [22:46:38] <jsarman> I get stuck on problems like setting up bootloader pins in situations where I built my own board and added second sd slot on mmc3 which was 1.8V only
  • [22:46:47] <Tenkawa> school... such a long time ago....
  • [22:46:47] <jsarman> build all circuits correct
  • [22:46:49] <vaizki_> it was hand-woven magnetic core ROM done by little old ladies :)
  • [22:46:51] <gui_> vaizki_, i'm still noob at it. I can see there are problems, but I don't know how to solve them yet
  • [22:46:59] <jsarman> then set clk line to output and mode to mmc
  • [22:47:24] <jsarman> spend 8 hours going through kernel code trying to figure out why my clock aint clocking
  • [22:47:40] <jsarman> only to finally try to set the output clock to input
  • [22:47:44] <Tenkawa> mmc... bah miss the old casette tape days
  • [22:47:46] <jsarman> and it work
  • [22:47:55] <jsarman> that kinda wrong
  • [22:48:07] <vaizki_> I don't miss casette tapes
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  • [22:48:10] <gui_> vaizki_, it's like computers in Portugal. They don't have memory... just a vague remembrance
  • [22:48:21] <Tenkawa> vaizki_: aww. they were fun
  • [22:48:24] <vaizki_> huh?
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  • [22:49:03] <Tenkawa> i actually had a vinyl lp with data on it once
  • [22:49:04] <gui_> cassetes were fun when you were hi-speed copying them and it would play in a higher ptch
  • [22:49:05] <gui_> pitch
  • [22:49:18] <Tenkawa> flexible thin sheet of vinyl
  • [22:49:22] <jsarman> oh my atari 400 had a cassette and it never worked
  • [22:50:04] <vaizki_> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/KL_CoreMemory.jpg
  • [22:50:08] <vaizki_> that is.. art
  • [22:50:29] <vaizki_> 1024 bits of real core
  • [22:50:30] <gui_> is that made in a sewing machine?
  • [22:50:38] <jsarman> so I am fortunate enogh to get invited to an IEEE meeting in Vale where the elite go to sit in a basement to talk circuits
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  • [22:50:56] <Tenkawa> gettin the rpm right to load it was the hardest part
  • [22:51:09] <jsarman> I meet Allan Alcorn who created PONG and get to talking about my cassette that never worked
  • [22:51:19] <jsarman> he was part of that team to build it
  • [22:51:22] <Tenkawa> nice
  • [22:51:37] <jsarman> he was like you had to adjust the heads
  • [22:51:49] <jsarman> I said I was 6 years old
  • [22:51:57] <gui_> then you tilt your head 15 degrees?
  • [22:52:15] <jsarman> but was so cool to hang out with him
  • [22:52:26] <vaizki_> did you play pong with him?
  • [22:52:45] <jsarman> telling me when they first built pong and put it in a bar or something
  • [22:52:47] <gui_> not fun. he knows cheatcodes
  • [22:53:06] <vaizki_> pong trainer mode
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  • [22:53:07] <jsarman> they told him to come get it the next week cause it was broke
  • [22:53:11] <BobCat> pong had no cheats
  • [22:53:18] <vaizki_> o'rly
  • [22:53:25] <jsarman> it broke because the machine was full of quarters
  • [22:53:33] <gui_> hahaha
  • [22:53:43] <BobCat> jsarman speaks the truth
  • [22:53:54] <vaizki_> all hail the sarman
  • [22:54:06] <gui_> saruman?
  • [22:54:12] <vaizki_> shh
  • [22:54:17] <jsarman> yeah well my wife telling me to get off the computer
  • [22:54:17] <gui_> sorry
  • [22:54:34] <gui_> tell her to buy one for herself and join us
  • [22:54:40] <jsarman> so enough fun for me tonight
  • [22:54:50] <jsarman> she dont hack
  • [22:55:18] <jsarman> anyways talk at yall later
  • [22:55:29] <gui_> see ya!
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  • [22:55:34] <gui_> i have to go home too
  • [22:56:15] <vaizki_> I need to sleep but I have a powerpoint to make :P
  • [22:56:20] <vaizki_> and it's 2am
  • [22:56:23] <gui_> pfff
  • [22:56:42] <gui_> you have plenty of time to redo everything in a better layout
  • [22:57:07] <gui_> jk
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  • [22:57:16] <gui_> gotta go. ciao!
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  • [23:04:47] <Guest7590> can anybody explain to me the build process to build mmc drivers into your kernel on the BBB?
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  • [23:08:58] <vaizki_> just use menuconfig?
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  • [23:57:22] <emeb> uh - aren't mmc drivers already there?
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