• [00:00:35] <mranostay> worse places
  • [00:00:40] <martinm> yet they keep creeping in, legal or not. go figure!
  • [00:00:41] <mrpackethead> whewre?
  • [00:00:46] <mranostay> idk i rather like it
  • [00:01:28] <mranostay> native compiling on a BB... kill me know
  • [00:01:30] <mrpackethead> england.
  • [00:01:30] <mranostay> *now
  • [00:02:12] <mrpackethead> my engineer has got non native compiling working for our applicaitons.
  • [00:02:22] <mrpackethead> but not kernel stuff
  • [00:02:22] <mranostay> too many trolls in england
  • [00:02:51] <mrpackethead> New Zealand has the Dotcom Troll
  • [00:03:00] <mrpackethead> who let that dodgey German in
  • [00:04:06] <martinm> Does anyone *really* know if you can use a uSD card with a Black other than booting from it? It totally doesn't work for me, and I've come across a few passing mentions about not having an SD in place when booting from eMMC. Followup Q would be can you get the thing to recognize the SD if inserted post-boot? Serious answers only, no creepers of phonies...
  • [00:04:33] <mranostay> i rather not be on islands where i can easily escape them
  • [00:04:57] <martinm> they're all islands, really
  • [00:05:06] <martinm> some are just a lot bigger than others
  • [00:06:04] <mranostay> that is one way of looking at it
  • [00:06:57] <mrpackethead> martinm: are you tryign to use both the SDcard and the emmc togehter?
  • [00:07:11] <martinm> yeah, that was the idea
  • [00:07:20] <mrpackethead> have not tryed that
  • [00:07:43] <mrpackethead> mranostay: what do you think? Possible?
  • [00:07:59] <martinm> if the SD card is in it just hangs at three LEDs IME
  • [00:08:13] <mranostay> hmmm don't remember the muxing
  • [00:08:35] <mrpackethead> it must be possble
  • [00:08:37] <mranostay> but it has to be or i have no clue how koen's flasher image would work
  • [00:08:48] <mrpackethead> because for me to write my image to the emmc
  • [00:08:55] <mrpackethead> i start by putting on on sdcard
  • [00:09:02] <mranostay> now sd card insert totally doesn't work :)
  • [00:09:04] <mrpackethead> mranostay: snap
  • [00:09:25] <mranostay> not sure if someone didn't wire it up or there is no sw for it
  • [00:09:28] <martinm> yeah, there are certainly separate MMC0 abd MMC1 pins
  • [00:10:15] <martinm> so it may just be something screwy in the early (?) boot
  • [00:11:12] <mranostay> everthing is broken
  • [00:11:27] <martinm> oh well, guess I'll have to cons up a level translator so i can plug in to a Real Serial port
  • [00:11:43] <mrpackethead> im messing with a 15W cree RGBW led today
  • [00:11:47] <mrpackethead> geepers its bright
  • [00:12:46] * SpeedEvil sighs and wishes good R G LEDs were available.
  • [00:12:52] <SpeedEvil> B isn't bad.
  • [00:13:05] <SpeedEvil> but G is about 1/3 as efficient as B
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  • [00:13:19] <SpeedEvil> You can get 65% efficient blue.
  • [00:13:21] <mrpackethead> you dont' need nearly as much G as B of course
  • [00:13:25] * martinm blames quantum physicists
  • [00:13:27] <SpeedEvil> True.
  • [00:13:42] <mrpackethead> Cree hit 200lumens / Watt
  • [00:13:45] <mrpackethead> thats nuts
  • [00:14:56] <SpeedEvil> yeah
  • [00:15:11] <SpeedEvil> But 100lm/W is the best you can get in green
  • [00:15:19] <SpeedEvil> actually - I think they hit 130
  • [00:15:32] <mrpackethead> they hit 200
  • [00:15:35] <mrpackethead> actually
  • [00:15:40] <SpeedEvil> green
  • [00:16:10] <mrpackethead> http://www.cree.com/led-components-and-modules/products/xlamp/arrays-directional/xlamp-mkr
  • [00:16:14] <mrpackethead> it is in white
  • [00:16:17] <SpeedEvil> yes.
  • [00:16:31] <SpeedEvil> There are no efficient greens
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  • [00:17:52] <SpeedEvil> The most efficient LEDs for illumination are cyan. But the big caveat there is it's only scotopic vision
  • [00:19:25] <SpeedEvil> Also I find it annoying that cree does not sell phosphors for remote phospor apps
  • [00:20:17] <mrpackethead> oh realy
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  • [00:23:38] <SpeedEvil> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/vision/efficacy.html
  • [00:26:42] <martinm> I see the claim of "up to 200 l/W", but their own specs seem to fall 'way short of that... about a factor of two, at least at 85?? where most of the specs are given
  • [00:30:27] <SpeedEvil> martinm: Ah -0 you have to know th ratings bullshit.
  • [00:30:50] <SpeedEvil> I have not read the datasheet, but in general, that 'up to' figure will be true for 1/5th maximum output
  • [00:31:04] <SpeedEvil> And 25C
  • [00:31:11] <martinm> ah, found a possible explanation inthe press release. up to 200 for 1W at 25?? - sure, the efficiency drops with both power and temp
  • [00:31:46] <SpeedEvil> It is not always bullshit - sometimes it's actually worth using 10 10W LEDs run at 2W per, in a design.
  • [00:32:03] <martinm> the datasheet figures are for 8 or 9 W (700 mA at typical 85?? voltage)
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  • [00:40:58] <SpeedEvil> q
  • [00:41:28] <ds2> u
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  • [01:32:14] <shabaz> Hi vvu, if you don't mind, I'm placing a link to your project on e14's site, people will find it interesting
  • [01:34:26] <shabaz> btw, had a question for you (ka6sox suggested you may know the answer), but I might e-mail it since it's rather long for IRC - long story short, been trying to get an image to boot via TFTP so we can document the process, and not sure why the final image does not run - could be a u-boot enviro variable issue I suppose
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  • [01:47:00] <XFaCE> hi, which outlet is selling the latest revision of the beagleboard?
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  • [03:59:53] <martinm> yee-hah!
  • [04:01:16] <mranostay> drunk?
  • [04:02:09] <martinm> non-booting uSD still has to participate in the boot process. three lines in a uEnv.txt file (in a FAT, of course) cures all: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/beagleboard/lEMH0rvm6Ys/HOyNKFznNn8J
  • [04:02:53] <martinm> there's a good discussion with lots of juicy details that ought to be in the manual about how the boot actually works in that thread
  • [04:05:10] <martinm> PS: Android phone is overkill. An old Sony PRS-600 was more than sufficient. Guess I borrowed a more recent laptop last time I needed to access an SD card, have to address that shortcoming...
  • [04:09:24] <martinm> XFaCE: Mouser was shipping A5B about a week ago
  • [04:10:32] <martinm> mranostay: finding this was better than a stiff drink. now I can go to sleep :-)
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  • [04:20:27] <XFaCE> martinm: ah, so it'll be awhile till C is shipping. How long is it usually before the latest revision is shipping?
  • [04:22:04] <martinm> no idea. this was the first Beagle* I've acquired :-)
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  • [06:10:56] <shahidh_k> hello
  • [06:10:56] <shahidh_k> i just bought a beaglebone black
  • [06:11:21] <shahidh_k> when i connect an arduino via usb, it doesnt power on(arduino)
  • [06:11:57] <johanhenselmans> How do you power the Beaglebone black?
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  • [06:45:10] <voe> any cool projects on the beaglebone black so far?
  • [06:45:44] <voe> i'm only planning for mini local servers for local mesh.
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  • [06:48:34] <voe> anyone run any kinds of servers on beaglebone
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  • [06:48:53] <voe> ie icecast, vlc, nginx, mumble?
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  • [12:06:40] <shujun> Hi
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  • [13:37:47] <wunix> hi @all
  • [13:38:55] <wunix> I try to install locate, (find-utils), but opkg did not find. Where is a similar to sources.list?
  • [13:39:51] <wunix> or what is my problem?
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  • [14:50:05] <_av500_> wunix: opkg update
  • [14:50:08] <_av500_> opkg list
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  • [15:48:38] <Andy____> Hi.
  • [15:49:07] <Andy____> Has anyone had ti StarterWare working on the Beaglebone Black ?
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  • [15:58:09] <_av500_> should be the same as for beaglebone white
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  • [17:47:54] <muhoo> seems like the pinmuxes are set up right. now i just have to find the right version of the driver source to go with it. i'd default to "latest", but i've been burned by that in the past.
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  • [18:15:15] <plastygrove> Any book recommendations for the hobbyist on Analog circuits? For someone without a background on electronics? Horowitz was suggested, but I also heard that it might not be the best book for the hobbyist
  • [18:19:36] <mru> it worked for me
  • [18:21:57] <plastygrove> mru: Think I should go for it? I'm good at programming but the math in analog circuits scares me
  • [18:22:01] <SpeedEvil> I recommend it too
  • [18:22:13] <SpeedEvil> AoE avoids math as much as reasonably possible
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  • [18:23:33] <mru> 1/RC
  • [18:24:55] <plastygrove> SpeedEvil: Hmm, okay - maybe I'll take the plunge and buy it. I feel my skills are limited by my inability to understand analog circuits
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  • [18:25:19] <SpeedEvil> Also - ##electronics
  • [18:26:22] <ssi> I once fell asleep on a beach reading that book and ended up with sun poisoning :(
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  • [18:27:12] <SpeedEvil> plastygrove: So - put suntan lotion on first
  • [18:27:18] <plastygrove> SpeedEvil: Thanks for the link - the ebook looks good
  • [18:27:45] <SpeedEvil> I haven't read that ebook - I probably should skim it to see if it's sane
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  • [18:30:53] <plastygrove> SpeedEvil: Got my suntan! Just need the book now :)
  • [18:30:56] <ssi> :D
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  • [19:30:19] <eliasbakken> Has anyone else had problems with avahi-daemon.service running wild? Just cought it causing systemd to consume all the CPU. Helped by masking it out, but I have no idea what the sideeffects are : S
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  • [19:31:34] <eliasbakken> Anyways, I can now SSH to my other BBB, had a lot of trouble going back and forth between two BBBs.
  • [19:32:55] <Vaizki> exploring BBB information to see if it would be a good platform for me.. is there a good summary out there that describes the expansion interfaces on the pins in more detail? I know there are a number of UARTs, I2Cs, SPIs etc but not all of them can be used at the same time and the BBB HDMI/eMMC at least seem to gobble up some pins.. same for power management?
  • [19:33:51] <Vaizki> the System Reference Material does list a lot of information but let's just say that a LOT of the things listed on the pin tables I have no idea what they are :)
  • [19:34:51] <Vaizki> like "eQEP2 strobe" or "ehrpwm1_tripzone_input"
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  • [19:35:22] <eliasbakken> Vaizki, what do you need? You can at least get i2c, spi and UART working without interfering with eMMC and HDMI
  • [19:35:24] <SpeedEvil> well, you can look them up
  • [19:36:13] <Vaizki> elias, can I get a second UART or just TTL serial port with the i2c and spi?
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  • [19:40:09] <eliasbakken> It's all 3.3V signals, but you should get two uarts in adddition to spi and i2c
  • [19:41:29] <eliasbakken> Assuming you do not need rts/cts etc.
  • [19:44:50] <Vaizki> yea I need one full serial port with rts-cts-dtr etc if possible and I will put a serial driver on it, the other can be just tx/rx
  • [19:47:47] <Vaizki> the UART0 which is on a separate header, that is not shared with the usb client if, right?
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  • [20:06:50] <Vaizki> ok if I read this correctly, I can have UART0 on the debug header for serial console.. uart 1 on P9 24&36, uart2 on P9 21&22 but RTS/CTS is a bit tricky because they are in the HDMI framer pins for uarts 2-5 and in the cape eeprom i2c2 for uart 1
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  • [20:15:11] <eliasbakken> 24 & 26 for uart1, 21 & 22 for uart2 shoudl be ok. 19 & 20 for i2c2 and 28, 29, 30, 31 for SPI.
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  • [20:16:06] <Vaizki> elias, thanks for confirming.. and the uart0 is completely independent of the USB serials etc?
  • [20:16:19] <Vaizki> it just has getty running on it I guess?
  • [20:16:35] <eliasbakken> g_serial I think.
  • [20:17:15] <eliasbakken> Ah, sorry, yes independent of USB. There is also a g_serial available as a module-
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  • [20:17:44] <Vaizki> ok.. but cts/rts for one port doesn't seem that easy without losing support for cape eeprom?
  • [20:18:06] <Vaizki> sorry don't know g_serial.. is that the usb gadget serial?
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  • [20:20:23] <eliasbakken> Yes, usb gadget serial, and you are right about the rts/cts, they are all in conflict with either I2C2 or LCD_data.
  • [20:21:34] <Vaizki> so g_serial module creates a virtual serial port over USB that is completely separate from the uart0 debug header?
  • [20:21:45] <Vaizki> and I can run serial logins on both of them?
  • [20:21:46] <eliasbakken> yes
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  • [20:22:27] <Vaizki> sounds good.. I guess I could just hack cts/rts with random GPIO pins
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  • [20:24:11] <Vaizki> it's not that I really even need the HDMI at all. but the BBB is a nice price compared to the rest of the BB family.
  • [20:24:12] <mrpackethead> Bing
  • [20:25:05] <Vaizki> I have a bunch of RasPis but their expansion is limited to say the least so looking for alternatives
  • [20:25:24] <mrpackethead> Yes it is. And the pi is a dog
  • [20:25:45] <Vaizki> unlike a beagle which isn't a dog? ;)
  • [20:26:06] <mrpackethead> The beagle is a fruit
  • [20:26:15] <Vaizki> ah. my bad.
  • [20:26:24] <mrpackethead> Woof woof
  • [20:26:35] <Vaizki> english isn't my native language, got them mixed up and all.
  • [20:27:16] <mrpackethead> The bbb is pretty good. First few weeks were a bit rough but now the really annoying issues have been resolved its all good
  • [20:27:30] <Vaizki> tbh I have found the Pi to be very nice for the price. My biggest argh is with the USB and indirectly the Ethernet just dropping stuff
  • [20:28:14] <Vaizki> maybe it's fixed now but I haven't been keeping up
  • [20:28:28] <mrpackethead> Yes the Ethernet on the pi is crap so is the power supply.
  • [20:30:20] <Vaizki> how is Arch on the BBB? I'm using Arch on PI so would prefer to use it on BBB also
  • [20:31:02] <ssi> I've really enjoyed the bbb
  • [20:31:10] <ssi> I've had a rpi for awhile and not done anything with it
  • [20:31:16] <ssi> it's less inspiring than the bbb
  • [20:32:16] <Vaizki> talking about power, is it possible to sleep the BBB into a very low power draw state and then use an external interrupt to wake it up very very quick?
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  • [20:35:24] <Vaizki> the PMIC does seem pretty capable
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  • [20:40:18] <kfoltman> Vaizki: what about DRAM refresh?
  • [20:40:52] <Vaizki> yea sure fast wakeup would mean ram is refreshed.
  • [20:42:48] <Vaizki> the TPS65217C there seems to be capable of keeping the DDR refreshed while the cpu is napping
  • [20:44:30] <Vaizki> this is for a solar-powered project and I live in Finland where during the winter time there is not that much sun. So I would prefer to have a MCU like the MSP430 in charge and kicking the BBB up when needed
  • [20:47:32] <Vaizki> well maybe I'm going to order two BBBs and get my oscilloscope warmed up for some testing
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  • [21:01:48] <SpeedEvil> Vaizki: I did some numbers to see what sized panel I'd need to keep a raspberry Pi awake 24*7
  • [21:02:07] <SpeedEvil> Vaizki: I'm in scotland - it worked out somewhere about 250W solar panel and 100Ah*12V battery.
  • [21:02:16] <SpeedEvil> And it'd still go down 2-3 days a year probably.
  • [21:02:50] <Vaizki> 100Ah.. that's like a large car battery except you'd need a deep discharge one
  • [21:02:54] <SpeedEvil> yes.
  • [21:03:20] <ssi> yeah that's like 8-10 UPS batteries :/
  • [21:03:20] <SpeedEvil> That's assuming the panel does not get snow-covered
  • [21:03:31] <SpeedEvil> ssi: about 13 of the teeny ones
  • [21:03:42] <ssi> yea the little 7ah ones
  • [21:05:14] <Vaizki> MSP430 can stay active with less than 1mA of 1.8V power...
  • [21:05:45] <SpeedEvil> The n900 phone needs about 3mA@4V in suspend IIRC
  • [21:05:58] <SpeedEvil> 1mA of that is probably RAM
  • [21:06:05] <SpeedEvil> (omap3630)
  • [21:06:41] <Vaizki> yea in suspend the MSPs go really really low, like 0.1uA if you don't care about RTC
  • [21:07:27] <SpeedEvil> Microcontrollers - pick the right one, and you're into not many nanoamps
  • [21:07:30] <Vaizki> but anyway, my idea was to use something like an MSP to wake up a BBB or Pi as needed
  • [21:07:52] <SpeedEvil> But you can't cope with a (say) 30s boot?
  • [21:08:07] <SpeedEvil> Actually - you should be able to shave boot to under 5
  • [21:08:10] <Vaizki> which is why I asked about BBB sleep modes, the docs say something about them but mostly that SW support is lacking
  • [21:08:31] <SpeedEvil> What's your maximum response time?
  • [21:10:01] <Vaizki> I would like to be in the millisecond range, otherwise I might as well just boot it
  • [21:10:21] <martinm> electronics without math is like... words fail me.
  • [21:10:21] <SpeedEvil> ah
  • [21:10:41] <SpeedEvil> ?
  • [21:12:12] <Vaizki> hmmmm BBB supports real time scaling to lower the MHz as needed.. that's a bonus
  • [21:12:27] <SpeedEvil> Basically irrelevant though
  • [21:12:35] <SpeedEvil> If you want actual suspend-like power use.
  • [21:12:39] <Vaizki> really? not much savings there?
  • [21:12:52] <SpeedEvil> It may shave 50, maybe 75% tops.
  • [21:13:12] <SpeedEvil> But you want it in some form of actual suspend state, if you're looking for milliwatt not watt power use.
  • [21:14:03] <Vaizki> ok, it seems like this is what I would need.. http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AM335x_Power_Management_User_guide#Suspend_.26_Resume
  • [21:14:29] <Vaizki> but someone commented it's not supported on the ??ngstr??m dist
  • [21:15:12] <Vaizki> I mean on the one that ships with the BBB
  • [21:15:39] <SpeedEvil> The other issue is that is the hardware required to support suspend states all there.
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  • [21:16:00] <Vaizki> well looks like the PMIC and CPU can do it all together
  • [21:16:08] <SpeedEvil> what happens if you echo 'mem ' to /sys/power/state
  • [21:16:17] <Vaizki> I don't know, I don't have a BBB yet
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  • [21:32:29] <Vaizki> very little info on what the power consumption could be cut down to without sleep
  • [21:32:51] <Vaizki> the SRM figures are with HDMI monitor, USB hub, Ethernet etc all in use
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  • [21:40:41] <Vaizki> deep sleep apparently is 7mW or standby @ 25mW
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  • [21:42:45] <Vaizki> deep sleep for me too&
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  • [22:23:17] <narcos> Hi all. When writing this image has anyone ever had a situation where no kernel module are loaded? - ubuntu-precise-12.04.2-armhf-3.8.13-bone20.img
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  • [22:27:56] <narcos> ?.and taking the exact same image to another device, and lsmod, and it's populating
  • [22:27:58] <narcos> WTF
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  • [22:42:28] <webcamaaa> hello
  • [22:42:33] <webcamaaa> how are you?
  • [22:42:45] <webcamaaa> i want to buy a beaglebone black
  • [22:43:01] <webcamaaa> for connect webcam
  • [22:43:09] <webcamaaa> and take pictures
  • [22:43:16] <webcamaaa> it is works?
  • [22:43:30] <webcamaaa> can i conect a webcam in bealglebone black?
  • [22:43:34] <narcos> yes
  • [22:43:51] <webcamaaa> and take Hd pictures?
  • [22:44:08] <narcos> if your cam is hd, i dont see why not
  • [22:44:17] <webcamaaa> ok
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  • [22:56:16] <narcos> Is there anything to update on the BBBs? Firmware or something?
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  • [22:56:37] <narcos> i.e. I have 5, and two behave strangely - not loading any kernel modules
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  • [23:34:00] <narcos> How can I tell what version/revision my BBB is
  • [23:34:01] <narcos> ?
  • [23:35:31] <martinm> is there a sticker on the side of the 46 pin connector? my A5B has a serial number and "A5B" printed on such a label
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  • [23:39:41] <Stanto> Ours says on the box
  • [23:39:47] <martinm> for the software, the ID.txt file in the eMMC's FAT partition identifies the system image
  • [23:40:09] <martinm> ah, yeah, there it is, stamped on the end, too :-/
  • [23:40:19] * narcos looks
  • [23:41:15] <narcos> Ah yeah - A5B
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  • [23:41:27] <narcos> Hmmmmmmm
  • [23:41:45] <Stanto> Where did it say that ?
  • [23:43:04] <narcos> Some on the 46 pin connector, some on the ethernet jack
  • [23:43:09] <narcos> A5A or A5B in my case
  • [23:43:12] <Stanto> Oh ok
  • [23:43:28] <narcos> Anyone got Ubuntu running on their BBB ?
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  • [23:44:49] <narcos> I'm using ubuntu-precise-12.04.2-armhf-3.8.13-bone20.img from http://s3.armhf.com
  • [23:44:54] <narcos> But getting a weird scenario
  • [23:45:05] <narcos> On some of my boards, kernel modules are loaded, on some, not
  • [23:45:19] <narcos> But the revision doesn't seem to be the differentiator
  • [23:46:28] <emeb_mac> same SD card?
  • [23:47:05] <narcos> yes
  • [23:47:17] <emeb_mac> very strange
  • [23:47:45] <narcos> I agree :-/
  • [23:47:58] <emeb_mac> dump dmesg to a file for each BBB and do a diff - see what the kernel thinks is different?
  • [23:48:16] <narcos> ok I'll do that now
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