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  • [01:36:43] <Shadyman> Heh. Whoops. http://beagleboard.org/project/angstrom/
  • [01:36:49] <Shadyman> note the angry comments :3
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  • [01:44:13] <ka6sox-farfarawa> Shadyman, the maintainer has too much on his plate.
  • [01:44:22] <Shadyman> Yeah :(
  • [01:44:25] <Shadyman> Don't we all.
  • [01:45:07] <Shadyman> I dont' think they're using the term "brick" correctly, as you can quite easily just load a new image on and flash it
  • [01:50:16] <Shadyman> and SSH isn't broken on the shipped OS anymore, at least not on newer ones
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  • [01:50:55] <ka6sox-farfarawa> the problem is a lack of understanding about how this is different (as a source distribution) vs a feed distribution (such as Ubuntu)
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  • [01:52:19] <Shadyman> yeah
  • [01:53:11] <Shadyman> I'm curious how much of the node.js stuff could be ported to ubuntu
  • [01:53:24] <Shadyman> s/ported/easily ported/
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  • [01:54:01] <Shadyman> perhaps just rolling a stock ubuntu with the node.js and devicetree and web interface/widgets/etc would work
  • [01:54:21] <Shadyman> at least for folks that don't understand angstrom ;)
  • [01:56:08] <ka6sox-farfarawa> the new Ubuntu is Hard Float...so kernel stuff is not interchangeable and neither is any of the software.
  • [01:56:32] <ka6sox-farfarawa> I'd feel better with Debian as you have a chance :P
  • [01:57:03] <ka6sox-farfarawa> and compiling on a Beagle is REALLY sucky.
  • [01:58:55] <Shadyman> heh
  • [01:59:04] <Shadyman> beaglebone compile clusters ;)
  • [01:59:30] <ka6sox-farfarawa> CPU power is fine...HD I/O sucks.
  • [01:59:47] <ka6sox-farfarawa> always has for non-PCI/PCIe stuff.
  • [02:00:40] <ka6sox-farfarawa> doesnt' even matter if you use a SSD...its just sucky to use USB for HD access.
  • [02:00:42] <ka6sox-farfarawa> period.
  • [02:00:48] <Shadyman> indeed
  • [02:01:10] <Shadyman> heh. Even my tablet, I just ran Sandisk's memory test on the internal flash on it. think it rated a whopping 1.9MByte/s
  • [02:01:16] <Shadyman> for write speed
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  • [02:01:33] <Shadyman> because, of course, it's flash, and it has to erase and allocate entire blocks, etc etc
  • [02:02:09] <ka6sox-farfarawa> its just sucky...period
  • [02:02:21] <Shadyman> ^
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  • [02:04:32] <Shadyman> Ooh, nice. http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/arm/beagleboneblack/install_emmc.xml#expand
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  • [02:05:51] <ketas> my bbb is nicelt gone
  • [02:06:08] <ketas> nicely
  • [02:06:16] <ketas> should connect serial
  • [02:07:34] <ketas> opkg upgrade failed like i was afraid of :)
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  • [02:17:24] <ka6sox-farfarawa> mourning emeb_mac
  • [02:17:43] <emeb_mac> good evening ka6sox-farfarawa
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  • [02:20:13] <Shadyman> ka6sox-near: how far far away was far far away?
  • [02:22:30] <ka6sox-near> Shadyman, thats my "I'm working" nick
  • [02:22:53] <Shadyman> I figured :)
  • [02:23:43] <Shadyman> it was begging the question, though ;)
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  • [03:41:58] <HELPP> hello
  • [03:42:45] <HELPP> i need help i reformatted my beaglebone black by accident how can i restore it?
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  • [04:17:40] <Shadyman> huh, no USB hotplug support on BBB Angstrom?
  • [04:17:45] * Shadyman headscratches.
  • [04:18:17] <m_billybob> Shadyman, not for the uSD no
  • [04:18:40] <m_billybob> they're working on it from what ive read on the groups by Gerald
  • [04:18:47] <Shadyman> m_billybob: No, the USB :)
  • [04:19:02] <m_billybob> migh be related ?
  • [04:19:05] <m_billybob> idk
  • [04:19:07] <Shadyman> maybe.
  • [04:19:15] <m_billybob> USB kernel module perhaps
  • [04:19:25] <Shadyman> kill it with fire!
  • [04:19:53] <Shadyman> but yes, Gerald's answer was "Plug it in before booting up" to a guy's question re: a usb mouse
  • [04:21:14] <m_billybob> well i saw a post by him saying they're working on uSD hotplug at the kernel level. or its on the list, but just assuming most / all uSD is sen by the OS as a USB port ? *shrug*
  • [04:21:36] <m_billybob> i know all mine arelisted as USB devices
  • [04:21:46] <m_billybob> x86 at least
  • [04:23:10] <Shadyman> doesn't show in lsusb at all, so I dunno
  • [04:23:24] <Shadyman> probably just teething pains with the new device system
  • [04:23:47] <m_billybob> yeah, i kind of cant wait until 3-4 months from now
  • [04:24:00] <m_billybob> im sure the playing field wil be much "richer"
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  • [04:36:31] <ka6sox> m_billybob, Shadyman I think that we should write up the USB issues on the ML and explain that Hotplug is a Major feature of USB and to not have it is untenable. ;)
  • [04:36:57] <Shadyman> Depends if we want to get chewed a new one, I'd imagine.
  • [04:37:00] <ka6sox> but it has to be an issue with the Angstrom..not Ubuntu or somethinge lese.
  • [04:37:22] <ka6sox> USB depends on hotplugging
  • [04:37:26] <Shadyman> truth
  • [04:37:34] <m_billybob> no complaints ka6sox, and observation merely that im perfectly happy to work around :)
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  • [04:37:41] <m_billybob> an observation*
  • [04:37:49] <ka6sox> its not something to work around,
  • [04:37:58] <ka6sox> its fundamental to the way USB work.s
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  • [04:38:33] <Shadyman> http://armin762.wordpress.com/2013/04/28/the-new-beaglebone-black-and-gentoo/
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  • [04:40:04] <Shadyman> seems to indicate it's more on a hardware level than an os level
  • [04:40:06] <m_billybob> Shadyman by you ?
  • [04:40:11] <Shadyman> nope
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  • [04:40:17] <ka6sox> armin76
  • [04:40:35] <bity> is there a way to check if the firmware update has happened with the BBB ?
  • [04:41:06] <Shadyman> bity: I believe the LED lights act as sort of a counter, goes from 1 to 5
  • [04:41:13] <Shadyman> don't quote me on that though
  • [04:41:28] <bity> they were all lit up
  • [04:41:47] <bity> it took a while and only the 1 chip on the board got warm
  • [04:42:11] <m_billybob> ~50 minutes the user LEDs are all supposed to lite up, that what ive been reading
  • [04:42:18] <m_billybob> ( when its finished )
  • [04:44:33] <Shadyman> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/beagleboard/uWMNdBv_aPg
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  • [04:45:20] <m_billybob> ive only ever done an opkg upgrade, from 3.8.6 to 3.8.8. and only once, but ive since moved on to debian :)
  • [04:45:26] <m_billybob> difference processs there
  • [04:45:54] <m_billybob> different*
  • [04:46:53] <baxter> what does it mean when all 4 lights are lit on the beaglebone black?
  • [04:49:04] <m_billybob> in th context of flashing it means the image is finished flashing to emmc
  • [04:49:14] <m_billybob> otherwise, i dotn know.
  • [04:49:32] <m_billybob> and oooooops ---> " I reformatted the beaglebone blacks flash instead of my SD "
  • [04:50:11] <Shadyman> bwuh
  • [04:50:12] <Shadyman> "Your post has been sent for review and will appear after it has been approved."
  • [04:50:15] <Shadyman> dammit google groups
  • [04:51:22] <Shadyman> but I posted a reply to that thread
  • [04:51:47] <baxter> damn
  • [04:53:07] <Shadyman> because I'm getting no hotplugging at all.
  • [04:57:33] <ka6sox> the uSD doesn't work at all
  • [04:57:38] <ka6sox> for hotplug
  • [04:57:41] <ka6sox> put it in before booting
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  • [04:59:50] <Shadyman> ^
  • [05:00:01] <Shadyman> ka6sox: http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/arm/beagleboneblack/install_emmc.xml#expand (another armin76 thing :))
  • [05:00:08] <m_billybob> was just reading the post on the groups again about the fella having issues with a USB hard drive not working on the bbb but it works fine in gentoo
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  • [05:00:34] <m_billybob> only thing i could think of is drive spin up not being handle as gracefully as on the desktop OS
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  • [05:00:37] <Shadyman> ka6sox: I got my 16GB microSD working by running that script and with a uEnv.txt on it
  • [05:00:54] <Shadyman> ka6sox: was he trying to boot from it?
  • [05:01:06] <m_billybob> ive had issues myself before with these cheesy 1A wal warts on USB drives, where the HDD inside needs 3As at spin up
  • [05:01:14] <Shadyman> ^
  • [05:01:35] <Shadyman> I've got some that need the combined power from the computer and power from the wall to spin up
  • [05:01:46] <m_billybob> yeah same here too
  • [05:01:53] <Shadyman> which... isn't awful
  • [05:02:00] <m_billybob> two plugs, and even then they dont work well
  • [05:02:12] <m_billybob> onces we have here are pretty much garbage
  • [05:02:16] <Shadyman> hehe
  • [05:02:29] <m_billybob> drives come up as "needing scandisk" (windows ) all the time
  • [05:02:34] <m_billybob> or as "no parition found"
  • [05:02:41] <m_billybob> this is for 2.5" laptop drives . . .
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  • [05:03:41] <m_billybob> not a single problem with my external USB 3.0 drives though. full sized drives 3.5"
  • [05:03:53] <Shadyman> WTF
  • [05:04:02] <Shadyman> Somebody's bitcoin mining with cpuminer on the BBB?
  • [05:04:04] <m_billybob> they're also externaly powered though
  • [05:04:06] <Shadyman> That's... painful.
  • [05:04:13] <Shadyman> 520khash/s.
  • [05:04:19] * Shadyman boggles.
  • [05:04:28] <m_billybob> you never gave that any thought Shadyman ? it was like the first thign i wanted to test myself wit hthe bbb
  • [05:04:38] <Shadyman> m_billybob: No, because I knew it'd be silly.
  • [05:04:38] <m_billybob> not with btc though
  • [05:04:45] <m_billybob> ltc for me
  • [05:04:54] <Shadyman> 520 khash/s whereas my Radeon 5850 can do 370 Mhash/s
  • [05:05:14] <m_billybob> heh my laptop with a 3400m APU does nearly 100
  • [05:05:21] <m_billybob> MH/s
  • [05:05:36] <Shadyman> Not bad, if it swaps all the APU stream cores over the graphics instead of processing, yeah.
  • [05:05:38] <Shadyman> i could see that
  • [05:05:44] <m_billybob> ~86kh/s on light coins
  • [05:05:57] <m_billybob> kitecoins*
  • [05:05:59] <Shadyman> i've never taken the time to get LTC set up
  • [05:06:02] <m_billybob> grr LITECOINS
  • [05:06:10] <m_billybob> its pretty easy
  • [05:06:15] <Shadyman> to set up, yes
  • [05:06:20] <Shadyman> but to tweak? uck
  • [05:06:22] <m_billybob> but it wil take your GPU way more
  • [05:06:28] <m_billybob> tax*
  • [05:06:43] <m_billybob> i can see ltc mining frying cards if you're not careful
  • [05:06:48] <Shadyman> hehe
  • [05:07:34] <m_billybob> tweaking is prety easy just a couple mor params compared to btc, and you do not necessarily ned to use them
  • [05:07:38] <Shadyman> now a BBone with a bunch of Virtex7 chips, I could see.
  • [05:07:44] <m_billybob> i use BFGMiner btw
  • [05:07:46] <Shadyman> yeah
  • [05:08:04] <Shadyman> but you can double or halve your ouput by using the wrong (or default) params if they're not right
  • [05:08:06] <m_billybob> i havent mined in a coupe weeks though
  • [05:08:18] <Shadyman> it's a lot easier to get wrong, let's say
  • [05:08:21] <m_billybob> my best laptop is also my dev platform now do yeah... i need my system lol
  • [05:08:26] <Shadyman> lol
  • [05:08:42] <Shadyman> So... SD card capes :3
  • [05:08:43] <m_billybob> i was just doing it as kind of a test
  • [05:08:56] <Shadyman> waiting for a sunny day to reflow my sd card cape prototypes
  • [05:09:11] <m_billybob> was considering buying a 7950 put it in my desktop and lettign it run 24/7
  • [05:09:46] <m_billybob> it wont make me rich but after a year it could end up paying for its self and buying me a new better laptop
  • [05:10:18] <Shadyman> Assuming you find a way to get your money out
  • [05:10:27] <m_billybob> we're solar power so no energy bill to worry about
  • [05:10:33] <Shadyman> as Mtgox's Dwolla account was siezed by the US
  • [05:10:50] <m_billybob> is that the main body of mygox ?
  • [05:10:55] <m_billybob> mtgox*
  • [05:11:03] <Shadyman> well, the US$ funds, I'd imagine
  • [05:11:07] <Shadyman> or, the majority.
  • [05:11:14] <Shadyman> it's hard to say
  • [05:11:14] <m_billybob> wonder how that is possible
  • [05:11:23] <Shadyman> i'd imagine they would have withdrawn most for safekeeping
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  • [05:11:37] <m_billybob> i mean yes the government can do whatever they please now days it seems, but how could they legally do that ?
  • [05:11:58] <Shadyman> oh, I'm sure they came up with something interesting like money laundering, suspected wire fraud, etc, etc
  • [05:12:04] <Shadyman> drug/arms trade
  • [05:12:27] <m_billybob> perhaps they think mtgox is behind all the supposed ddos fund day trading crap going on lately ?
  • [05:12:30] <Shadyman> http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/16/mt-gox-dwolla-account-money-seizure/
  • [05:13:11] <Shadyman> well that's a bit clearer.
  • [05:13:29] <Shadyman> aka "Oops"
  • [05:13:52] <m_billybob> btc is actually up to $133 per now too lol
  • [05:14:03] * m_billybob just check coinify
  • [05:14:31] <Shadyman> yeah
  • [05:14:39] <Shadyman> down from 260 though ;)
  • [05:14:41] <m_billybob> homeland security thats all i need to read
  • [05:14:48] <Shadyman> ^
  • [05:14:50] <m_billybob> this is purely political i can rtell already
  • [05:15:36] <m_billybob> so what exactly is dwolla ?
  • [05:15:45] <m_billybob> are they the main backers behind mtgox ?
  • [05:16:21] <m_billybob> says uts because they failed to register as a money transmitting company
  • [05:17:54] <Shadyman> dwolla is kinda like paypal
  • [05:18:00] <m_billybob> ah
  • [05:18:19] <Shadyman> you could easily transfer funds from a us bank account to dwolla
  • [05:18:24] <Shadyman> and then send a payment from dwolla to mtgox
  • [05:18:27] <m_billybob> see i mine ecoins but dont really follow the news or information on it
  • [05:18:35] <m_billybob> the way i see it is like this
  • [05:18:45] <m_billybob> its all monompoly money, until i cash it in
  • [05:18:48] <Shadyman> yeah
  • [05:19:04] <ka6sox> (or they go belly up)
  • [05:19:31] <m_billybob> well that goes without saying it means nothign to me until its in my pocket
  • [05:19:48] <Shadyman> hehe
  • [05:19:59] <m_billybob> so hmm
  • [05:20:27] <m_billybob> wonder how hard it would be to trade for prepaid CC now, im vaguely remembering that maybe dwolla had somethign to do with that ?
  • [05:20:39] <m_billybob> oh well
  • [05:20:55] <Shadyman> .dunno
  • [05:20:59] <Shadyman> HURG
  • [05:21:06] <Shadyman> cat has my socked foot in his grasp
  • [05:21:15] <m_billybob> so heres the big question
  • [05:21:23] <Shadyman> problem solved, he gave it up so he could lie upside-down
  • [05:21:40] <m_billybob> they're affraid the btc is being used to launder real money or to be used to buy drugs
  • [05:21:54] <Shadyman> yes
  • [05:21:55] <m_billybob> so like if the "real" us currency is being used to to the same ?
  • [05:22:09] <Shadyman> at least "real" currency is easy enough to track
  • [05:22:33] <Shadyman> paper trails and such
  • [05:22:49] <m_billybob> well bigger point to me is that both are going ot happen no matter what currency you use
  • [05:22:55] <Shadyman> yeah.
  • [05:23:02] <Shadyman> but one does not simply GET $500,000 USD without someone knowing about it.
  • [05:23:05] <m_billybob> yeah idk
  • [05:23:11] <Shadyman> ;)
  • [05:23:13] <m_billybob> this is why i hate politics.
  • [05:23:19] <m_billybob> its al BS in the end anyhow
  • [05:23:21] <Shadyman> hehe
  • [05:24:12] <m_billybob> ive had a few beers today and am kind of snippy so never mind me lol
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  • [05:24:27] <Shadyman> oh well
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  • [05:27:00] <m_billybob> yeah . . .
  • [05:32:44] <ssi> just trade your btc for gold with coinabul
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  • [05:32:57] <ssi> trade one non-dollar for another non-dollar
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  • [05:43:06] <m_billybob> makes sense
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  • [05:58:49] <spenser309> hi, is mainline kernel the best for BeagleBoard xM ? (i would be able to use GL, DSP, etc)
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  • [06:39:04] <_av500_> spenser309: the angstrom kernel is the best
  • [06:39:10] <_av500_> the one that ships with it
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  • [06:44:11] <_av500_> coffee
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  • [07:43:08] <Galaxy> Ciao
  • [07:43:13] <Galaxy> !list
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  • [07:43:55] <_av500_> SYNTAX ERROR
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  • [07:46:28] <joel_> mdp: any idea how/where is hwmod data auto generated?
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  • [08:04:47] * Shadyman ponders a daisy-chain of BBones
  • [08:05:06] <Shadyman> CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.
  • [08:05:09] <Shadyman> here goes
  • [08:06:27] <Shadyman> haha, cute. It takes time for the first one's USB Host power to kick in, so the second one's delayed a bit. But still, bring on the beaglechain ;)
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  • [08:19:27] <fliptron> I am just starting with black board. In one of the videos it implies that I can directly toggle I/O lines from the command line in an SSH session. Where should I look for examples?
  • [08:20:16] <dm8tbr> I'd guess that's toggling the stuff in sysfs
  • [08:22:43] <fliptron> I'm real new to this (minimal Linux experience) is sysfs a file, a program, something else?
  • [08:28:03] <Defiant> fliptron: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/gpio.txt if sysfs
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  • [08:33:01] <fliptron> Defiant: Thanks, this is the type of info I wanted. This looks like C callable functions, which I can do within a program. I'll go read docs carefully.
  • [08:35:13] <Defiant> fliptron: the c-stuff is for in-kernel access, not userspace
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  • [08:37:28] <fliptron> Ok, for a lowly user, are there commands at the Linux prompt (in an SSH session) that let me wiggle pins?
  • [08:37:46] <Defiant> fliptron: scroll down to the userspace/sysfs part
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  • [08:40:57] <Defiant> so basicly from ssh you can do something like echo 1 > /sys/class/gpio/gpioN/value
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  • [08:42:43] <fliptron> Thanks for the clarifying example. This should be enough to get me going and having some fun.
  • [08:42:58] <ketas> what's the application for this
  • [08:43:14] <ketas> :)
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  • [08:43:52] <ketas> hah i ruined my bbb
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  • [08:44:05] <ketas> bad idea for upgrade so there it went
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  • [08:45:13] <fliptron> Ketas: I'm just getting started with bbb, and I want to wiggle some pins so I have a sense of accomplishment. Later I am sure it will be very useful when doing debug of my projects
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  • [08:49:41] <ketas> i plan to get more beaglebones for my ip <-> io needs in my house
  • [08:53:47] <bity> ketas, how'd u brick the bbb?
  • [08:54:53] <kfoltman> brick brick or just overwrite the OS in eMMC brick?
  • [08:55:08] <ketas> you can't brick it
  • [08:55:19] <dm8tbr> the only way is to make the magic smoke escape
  • [08:55:20] <kfoltman> you can always brick it, just apply 230V ;)
  • [08:55:28] * dm8tbr high-fives kfoltman
  • [08:55:29] <ketas> is there memory in soc?
  • [08:55:34] <ketas> that one can overwrite?
  • [08:55:42] <dm8tbr> mask-rom :>
  • [08:56:04] <dm8tbr> a steady hand and a high powered laser...
  • [08:56:09] <ketas> hahaha
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  • [08:56:17] <kfoltman> dm8tbr: well, the ADC pins apparently have a limit of 1.8V, and I think the GPIO pins are non-5V-tolerant... :S
  • [08:57:19] <ketas> time for optocouplers
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  • [09:01:03] <dm8tbr> kfoltman: yes, the good thing is that this is all well documented :)
  • [09:01:36] <ketas> bity: opkg upgrade :P
  • [09:01:53] <kfoltman> could someone put in the channel topic, "opkg upgrade may brick your BBB"? :D
  • [09:02:04] <ketas> i knew that
  • [09:02:10] <bity> =/
  • [09:02:13] <kfoltman> still, some might not
  • [09:02:15] * kfoltman <_
  • [09:02:20] <kfoltman> <- even :)
  • [09:02:24] <ketas> i knew something will go wrong
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  • [09:03:01] <ketas> well is there proper incremental upgrade?
  • [09:03:05] <kfoltman> ketas: if you can get to uboot (that happened to me), then you can boot from USB pendrive or microSD
  • [09:03:39] <kfoltman> ketas: I don't know of any 'proven working' upgrade, some people had a hack to make opkg upgrade work better, but I forgot what it was :S
  • [09:04:14] <kfoltman> but you need a TTL serial cable to talk to uboot
  • [09:04:32] <ketas> i have multiple
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  • [09:17:42] <kfoltman> ketas: see if you can use the kernel from a pendrive with rootfs on eMMC
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  • [09:19:01] <ketas> some time later
  • [09:19:10] <ketas> no free usb flash either
  • [09:19:51] <risc> hi all
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  • [09:20:59] <ketas> many sd cards and reader, though
  • [09:21:33] <ketas> that's the same thing
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  • [09:31:24] <ketas> somehow, i don't have stash of usb flashes
  • [09:33:47] <ketas> some have... they even use usb flash to transfer files in lan
  • [09:33:56] <ketas> i was like wtf when i heard
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  • [09:35:38] <kfoltman> sneakernet 2.0
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  • [09:48:39] <ketas> sneaky
  • [09:50:43] <ketas> before bbb still worked, i noticed that it doesn't like http over ipv6
  • [09:50:55] <ketas> weird
  • [09:51:13] <ketas> noone ever tried that?
  • [09:51:34] <ketas> because noone has ipv6 anyway? :)
  • [09:51:47] <ketas> except some like me who have had it over 10 years
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  • [10:01:57] <KotH> ketas: ipv6 at home is still very rare
  • [10:02:04] <KotH> ketas: only a few fortunate have it
  • [10:02:24] <KotH> ketas: big isps are still very reluctant to provide ipv6 unless you are a big customer and have lots of $$$
  • [10:02:39] <KotH> ketas: or you are the other kind of unfortunate and dont have a bbb ;)
  • [10:03:58] <ketas> hah
  • [10:04:09] <ketas> well this is not native yet, sure
  • [10:05:01] <ketas> i ask for ipv6 some times a year, always isp says that no client tests planned because ipv4 is not full yet
  • [10:05:13] <KotH> lol
  • [10:05:22] <ketas> support is there they say
  • [10:05:24] <KotH> let me gues,.. you live in the us?
  • [10:05:36] <ketas> estonia in europe
  • [10:05:42] <KotH> mru: wtf??
  • [10:05:54] <KotH> mru: you've been on these weird art websites again?
  • [10:06:01] <KotH> ketas: o_0
  • [10:06:27] <ketas> not yet full
  • [10:06:30] <ketas> :P
  • [10:06:38] <KotH> ketas: ripe wen't into we-dont-give-you-any-ipv4-addresses-unless-your-live-depends-on-it mode last summer
  • [10:06:46] <mru> KotH: I saw the real thing in a gallery
  • [10:06:56] <KotH> what?
  • [10:07:24] <KotH> mru: who would even think of buying something like this? much less put it on public display?
  • [10:07:28] <ketas> KotH: maybe teliasonera has collected a lof ot ranges
  • [10:07:32] <ketas> :)
  • [10:07:48] <ketas> of
  • [10:08:01] <mru> KotH: dali, apparently
  • [10:08:28] <mru> it's one of a series of 12 or so
  • [10:08:34] <KotH> 0_0
  • [10:08:40] <ketas> KotH: i wonder when i will finally get native ipv6, would i get my /48?
  • [10:08:50] <ketas> if i want
  • [10:08:53] <KotH> ketas: i have my native /48 already ;->
  • [10:09:16] <KotH> mru: art... one must not understand it...
  • [10:09:32] <ketas> because you know, homes now have multiple networks...
  • [10:09:35] <ketas> more in future
  • [10:10:15] <KotH> ketas: this is at home :)
  • [10:10:25] <ketas> somehow reminds hipnet presentation from ripe 66
  • [10:10:50] <ketas> but multiple /64's seems too wasteful?!
  • [10:12:15] <KotH> well.. you dont need to pass /48's around, a /60 will be more than enough for 99.999% of all home users
  • [10:12:34] <ketas> likely
  • [10:13:06] <koen> bonescript does have ipv6 support
  • [10:13:09] <kfoltman> about 2**68 devices? you want to address individual neurons or what?
  • [10:13:12] <koen> that's how I use it at home
  • [10:14:41] <ketas> most users don't have 65535 separate networks at home
  • [10:16:04] <KotH> kfoltman: that's not how ipv6 works
  • [10:16:27] <KotH> kfoltman: the lower /64 are needed to get your machine an ip (it is derived from the mac address)
  • [10:16:29] <mru> KotH: but CHOCOLATE!
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  • [10:16:53] <KotH> mru: i rather have good swiss chocolate. that's more my kind of art ;)
  • [10:16:54] <mru> KotH: how stupid is that?
  • [10:17:05] <KotH> mru: ipv6? dunnno
  • [10:17:08] <KotH> time will tell
  • [10:17:15] <mru> what if I replace the nic?
  • [10:17:22] <ketas> and each containing billions of v4 space equivalents
  • [10:17:26] <KotH> mru: replicate?
  • [10:17:27] <ketas> hah
  • [10:17:32] <ketas> ipv6 is too big
  • [10:17:40] <kfoltman> mru: that's why ipv6 addresses are designed to not be easily memorized ;)
  • [10:17:57] <mru> no, but dns...
  • [10:18:05] <KotH> mru: if you mean putting two NICs into a machine with the same mac, that works as expected
  • [10:18:13] <mru> is ttl of 5min the way?
  • [10:18:24] <KotH> mru: two different machines with NICs with the same MAC are not allowed by 802 anyways
  • [10:18:49] <ketas> unless some chinese nic factory counter gets stuck
  • [10:18:55] <ketas> like it happened here somewhere
  • [10:19:01] * KotH has not had the time to look how ipv6, dynamic ips and dns updates work together
  • [10:19:04] <ketas> box of nics, ALL SAME MAC!!!
  • [10:20:34] <KotH> sounds like fun
  • [10:21:08] <ketas> i bet it was for those guys who had to install, then reinstall them in school
  • [10:21:47] <ketas> it became problem when only one machine got ip from dhcp at any given time
  • [10:22:09] <KotH> one machine?
  • [10:22:16] <KotH> then something is wrong with their network
  • [10:22:23] <KotH> all machines should have gotten the same ip
  • [10:22:29] <ketas> :P
  • [10:22:53] <KotH> hmm... unless the "check whether ip is already used" system of dhcp works properly in that case
  • [10:23:49] <ketas> mru: well, what
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  • [10:24:24] <ketas> mru: um well
  • [10:24:42] <KotH> servus mhaberler
  • [10:24:50] <mhaberler> hi!
  • [10:25:03] <ketas> mru: isn't it most of cases the generated hostname anyway?
  • [10:25:33] <KotH> ketas: most people name their machines in a meaningfull way
  • [10:27:11] <ketas> where you need meaningful name you maybe choose meaningful ip too, manually
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  • [10:28:02] <ketas> although i give all my own ipv6 addresses out with ra and try to use those resulting addresses in dns
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  • [10:35:08] <mru> KotH: ever heard of a public web server?
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  • [10:36:02] <KotH> mru: for servers, i tend to give fixed, non-mac derived addresses
  • [10:36:13] <mhaberler> q: angstrom 3.8.6 - modprobe uio_pruss : /dev/uio devices dont appear. What's the necessary strangeness to get the PRU to work on Angstrom?
  • [10:36:36] <KotH> mru: eg libav.org resides on 2001:1620:2042::1:0
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  • [10:42:03] <mru> exactly
  • [10:42:58] <ketas> i suggest putting av streaming to ::abba
  • [10:43:45] <KotH> only if you like swedish pop
  • [10:45:04] <SpeedEvil> Ah - ha!
  • [10:47:04] <mru> that's norwegian
  • [10:48:01] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIpkNVL1JNQ - Rome.
  • [10:49:28] <KotH> somehow.. the pics of abba remind me of logan's run...
  • [10:49:41] <ketas> 0xABBA
  • [10:50:02] <dm8tbr> 0xC0FFEE
  • [10:50:42] <ketas> someone had that in his nic's mac
  • [10:52:49] <ketas> "i didn't fake my ipv6, that's just in my mac"
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  • [10:58:21] <kfoltman> 0xBBB
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  • [11:02:33] <KotH> wtf... do people seriously use xmpp for ipc?
  • [11:02:53] <dm8tbr> KotH: I use it for all sort of status notifications
  • [11:03:19] <KotH> dm8tbr: i can understand its use for seldom notifications over the internet.. but for anything else?
  • [11:03:47] <dm8tbr> and I'm seriously pissed as I can't use XMPP clients to connect to google apps any more. at least it seems unreliable
  • [11:04:08] <KotH> eh.. they still run their own version of xmpp?
  • [11:04:41] <dm8tbr> it seems they broke it now intentionally
  • [11:04:49] <KotH> i doubt it
  • [11:05:11] <KotH> google coders just done have time and patience to try non-google software with their services
  • [11:05:32] <KotH> and they break stuff often and continously
  • [11:05:53] <KotH> you should once listen to people working at google, how often even mail and calendar is broken for them
  • [11:06:31] <dm8tbr> well they declared 'we don't care about XMPP' and only focused on their 'hangouts' product
  • [11:06:47] <dm8tbr> that's very close to deliberately breakint it
  • [11:07:01] <KotH> eh..
  • [11:07:03] <KotH> drop them
  • [11:07:10] <KotH> use a different jabber service
  • [11:07:13] <dm8tbr> work requirement
  • [11:07:13] <KotH> there are tons of them
  • [11:07:30] <dm8tbr> I can't use my work phone to be reachable as it's not android
  • [11:07:46] <KotH> is that a problem? ;)
  • [11:08:10] <dm8tbr> if you actually want to get work done, yes
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  • [11:12:45] <KotH> you need jabber for work?
  • [11:20:25] <dm8tbr> yes
  • [11:21:07] <KotH> lol.. homeland security is worried about the uncontrolled distribution of guns using 3D printers
  • [11:21:28] <dm8tbr> actually it seems like right now sending messages while XMPP clients are connected to a google apps account results in those receiving messages too
  • [11:21:39] <ketas> KotH: they must be kidding
  • [11:22:58] <KotH> ketas: home printed weapons of mass destruction... serious business
  • [11:23:28] <ketas> KotH: ban 3d printers!
  • [11:24:57] <KotH> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/145
  • [11:26:03] <dm8tbr> what will be next? 3d-printed explosives downloaded from the internet? someone think of the children!
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  • [11:28:58] * KotH hopes he doesn't need to mention that an average home has at least a dozen materials that can be used to build explosives... not to mention dozens of those little nukes known as Li-Ion batteries
  • [11:31:34] * dm8tbr tilts his head and looks in awe at his stack of LiIon cells in the corner
  • [11:31:45] <dm8tbr> (Yes I've seen the videos, quite funny)
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  • [11:35:03] <ketas> lion battery
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  • [11:36:33] <dm8tbr> rroar
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  • [11:38:49] <ketas> you could maybe get more instaneous current from cheetah one
  • [11:45:03] <KotH> for the ultimate instantaneous current experience, use a 1uF 10kV ceramic cap... and short it with your hand after having it fully charged
  • [11:45:35] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/X6hKDg
  • [11:45:35] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 e2b23c7 Koen Kooi: 3.8: patch in db.txt and fix resetctrl deps for omap_hsmmc...
  • [11:50:28] <dm8tbr> KotH: aka 'spannungsabfall'
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  • [11:58:12] <ketas> KotH: how does it feel?
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  • [11:59:30] <KotH> deadly
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  • [12:38:46] <Tey> Is there a way to output debug messages ?
  • [12:40:36] <KotH> yes
  • [12:40:44] <Tey> how?
  • [12:40:49] <KotH> depends
  • [12:41:03] <Tey> im trying to boot from SD
  • [12:41:15] <Tey> but it doesnt, no leds glowing
  • [12:41:18] <Tey> only power led
  • [12:41:22] <KotH> do you want debug output of your application or kernel output?
  • [12:41:25] <Tey> id like to see whats the problem
  • [12:41:32] <KotH> connect a serial cable to the bone
  • [12:41:40] <KotH> or whatever you are using
  • [12:41:49] <Tey> of the complete boot procedure
  • [12:41:55] <Tey> im using black
  • [12:42:16] <Tey> theres a special serial cable needed, or?
  • [12:42:32] <KotH> just standard lvcmos signal level serial
  • [12:42:58] <Tey> dont have an serial cable that fits to those serial pins
  • [12:42:58] <KotH> use any ftdi usb cable you've lying around
  • [12:43:03] <KotH> ^^'
  • [12:43:07] <Tey> i dont have one :/
  • [12:43:24] <KotH> go buy one
  • [12:43:26] <KotH> :)
  • [12:43:29] <KotH> you will need it
  • [12:43:43] <KotH> the more you do with electronics the more you will need it
  • [12:43:50] <KotH> it's like having a soldering iron and a multimeter
  • [12:44:37] <Tey> im not sure where i can buy it
  • [12:44:39] <Tey> here in germany
  • [12:44:53] <Tey> just saw some to be ordered in usa
  • [12:45:42] <KotH> try olimes
  • [12:45:45] <KotH> olimex
  • [12:45:48] <KotH> they are nearer
  • [12:46:09] <KotH> and you dont want to found those who fight a war against the just JIHAD, do you?
  • [12:48:48] <Tey> cant i output to usb?
  • [12:49:02] <KotH> not the stuff you are looking for
  • [12:49:27] <Tey> what could be my problem?
  • [12:49:28] <Tey> :/
  • [12:49:38] <KotH> anything
  • [12:49:44] <KotH> from lack of chocolate to cosmic rays
  • [12:50:20] <Tey> lol :D
  • [12:50:34] <Tey> what does control the LED's?
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  • [12:50:51] <KotH> have you had a look at the schematics?
  • [12:51:04] <Tey> yes
  • [12:51:09] <KotH> then you know
  • [12:51:12] <Tey> i
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  • [12:51:33] <Tey> have you ever heard of somebody trying CE on that Black?
  • [12:51:45] <KotH> windows ce?
  • [12:52:00] <Tey> yes
  • [12:52:30] <dm8tbr> ask your friendly TI representative
  • [12:52:33] <KotH> i dont think anyone in his right mind would do something masochistic as that
  • [12:53:07] <Tey> i dont get why everyone is against it :/
  • [12:54:02] <KotH> because windows is a pain on the pc already. guessing from how much work it is to get linux working on an embedded system, where you have full sources and total control over everything, i dont want to imagine what a pain it is to get windows working
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  • [12:54:33] * dm8tbr remembers when that microsoft guy joined in here after buying 10 bb-classic and asked how to enable the HS feature :D
  • [12:54:49] <KotH> HS?
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  • [12:54:56] <dm8tbr> high-security
  • [12:55:00] <KotH> lol
  • [12:55:01] <dm8tbr> aka signed MLO
  • [12:55:22] <_av500_> Tey: they can be bought in germany too
  • [12:55:37] <Tey> where?
  • [12:55:37] <_av500_> Tey: and no need for PM
  • [12:55:44] <Tenkawa> anyone got a decent report for the beaglebone black running slackware?
  • [12:56:15] <Tenkawa> trying to determine if I'm ready to order one yet..
  • [12:56:21] <_av500_> http://www.watterott.com/de/FTDI-Basic-Breakout-5V
  • [12:56:24] <_av500_> Tey: ^^^
  • [12:56:27] <Tey> youre right anyway, windows is a pain
  • [12:56:31] <_av500_> just note that it does not fit
  • [12:56:34] <_av500_> mechanically
  • [12:56:41] <_av500_> so you need to extend the pins
  • [12:56:47] <_av500_> or solder a 6pin on the bottom
  • [12:56:59] <Tey> ._.
  • [12:57:23] <_av500_> http://www.watterott.com/de/FTDI-Basic-Breakout-3V3
  • [12:57:29] <_av500_> this one, 3.3V
  • [12:57:58] <Tey> none in stock
  • [12:58:08] <_av500_> indeed
  • [12:58:16] <_av500_> try reichelt or conrad
  • [12:58:17] <KotH> there is a reason why people have ftdi's with rx/tx/gnd on single wires on their desk :)
  • [12:58:39] <_av500_> KotH: or just he 6pin header
  • [12:58:45] <_av500_> and the chip in the usb plug
  • [12:58:52] <_av500_> we bought like 20 at work :)
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  • [12:58:57] <KotH> *g3
  • [12:59:04] <Tey> http://de.rs-online.com/web/p/entwicklungskits-interface/6877780/
  • [12:59:08] <Tey> that one should fit the bill
  • [12:59:30] <_av500_> Tey: thats the one
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  • [13:00:02] <KotH> reichelt, where expensive things are even more expensive
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  • [13:00:52] <Tey> but how do i connect over it?
  • [13:01:02] <Tey> with a driver?
  • [13:01:12] <Tey> virtualizing that USB as a COM port?
  • [13:01:25] <KotH> uh.. you are using windows?
  • [13:01:33] <KotH> uhmm... yes, you will get a com port
  • [13:02:08] <KotH> driver is standard and should be already installed.. unless you plug it in somewhere, were no ftdi has been plugged in before.. or you plug it in somewhere else
  • [13:02:35] <KotH> do yourself a favor and get a linux box if you wan to do any serious embedded linux development
  • [13:02:41] <KotH> it makes life easier.. a lot easier
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  • [13:04:26] <Tey> i want to do some serious embedded windows development
  • [13:04:28] <Tey> :]
  • [13:04:47] <KotH> ah.. you are into BDSM, then windows as a desktop is the right choice ;-)
  • [13:04:51] <Tey> so the cable will automaticly connected as Serial Port?
  • [13:05:07] <KotH> you are new to electronics, are you?
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  • [13:05:18] <KotH> yes, it will be recognized as a serial cable
  • [13:05:24] <KotH> yes, it might ask for a driver
  • [13:05:28] <KotH> yes, just click trough it
  • [13:05:44] <KotH> yes you will have to set the right baud rate too
  • [13:12:13] <_av500_> windows needs the ftdi driver
  • [13:12:27] <_av500_> but google knows all about that
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  • [13:18:15] <Tey> av500, does that cable fit to that driver?
  • [13:18:18] <Tey> from RS?
  • [13:18:37] <KotH> Tey: koen's rule #3: just try it
  • [13:18:39] <fiola> Tey: alternative to RS is Farnell -- http://de.farnell.com/ftdi/ttl-232r-3v3/kabel-usb-ttl-pegel-seriell-umsetzung/dp/1329311
  • [13:18:39] <Tey> is it the same, like the ones refered in beagle wiki
  • [13:19:59] <Tey> thanks fiola, but its the exact same like on RS isnt it?
  • [13:20:20] <fiola> Yep, same produict from FTDI that the peeps mentioned
  • [13:20:50] <fiola> I have it working here with Black, it's good.
  • [13:21:01] <Tey> allright
  • [13:22:29] <fiola> It's one of the accessories specified on the BBB page, so hard to go wrong -- http://de.farnell.com/circuitco/bb-bblk-000/beaglebone-black-cortex-a8-e-board/dp/2291620
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  • [13:22:57] <fiola> I use UK site, but it's identical to DE site.
  • [13:23:21] <Tey> does BB actually need special SD's?
  • [13:23:34] <Tey> tested two, one 4gb and one 265mb
  • [13:23:44] <Tey> maybe thats causing my boot problem?
  • [13:24:54] <fiola> I haven't tested yet, about to try a 4G SanDisk. Whenever I have trouble with SD it's a SanDisk, so might have "fun" and end up chucking it.
  • [13:26:25] <fiola> I also bought the Transcend that Farnell list as a BBB accessory, so that should be expected to work.
  • [13:27:13] <KotH> why not just walk into the next shop and buy some cheap chinese shit?
  • [13:27:30] <KotH> buy 10, if 8 work you're fine
  • [13:27:46] <KotH> and have saved 50% of your money
  • [13:28:02] <fiola> Worth trying, hehe. What's the typical price on known chinese crap?
  • [13:28:11] <fiola> unknown*
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  • [13:28:58] <KotH> starts from "vevy cheap, original, high quality" and goes to "high quality, vevy cheap"
  • [13:29:05] <_av500_> Tey: FTDI is FTDI
  • [13:29:07] <Tey> got a fujitsu sd
  • [13:29:11] <_av500_> from bot RS and Farnell
  • [13:29:34] <Tey> yep thanks av500
  • [13:29:35] <_av500_> Tey: please, as long as you have no way to get boot log, stop wasting our time
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  • [13:29:53] <Tey> yes sir
  • [13:30:06] <KotH> .o0(braves h??ndchen)
  • [13:30:17] <Tey> ill be wasting your time when i got my logs ^.??
  • [13:30:32] <fiola> Tey: don't worry about _av500_, being offensive is his spoeciality here :P
  • [13:30:45] <Tey> No its okay
  • [13:30:48] <Tey> i mean hes right
  • [13:31:06] <_av500_> fiola: you find that offensive?
  • [13:31:11] <KotH> fiola: if you think av500 is offensive, what do you think about the rest of the people here?
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  • [13:34:57] <fiola> KotH: I guess everyone has their day off sometimes. It's still a helpful place, just needs some displomacy in putting your questions right, and someone in a helpful mood will usually answer. Can need patience.
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  • [13:35:32] <_av500_> fiola: yes, but he is asking for a week now
  • [13:35:35] <_av500_> always the same
  • [13:35:42] <_av500_> and we told him like 5 times to get serial logs
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  • [13:35:51] <fiola> Uh oh.
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  • [13:36:17] <kfoltman> but at least he doesn't have Alzheimer's...
  • [13:36:31] * vvu hides during these times
  • [13:37:47] <KotH> under a bridge? bad choice! ;)
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  • [13:38:44] <vvu> in plain sight!
  • [13:39:17] <fiola> Worth noting that because of the price point, the BBB will attract many less technical people as it becomes known more widely. That means questions will become worse over time as beginners flood in.
  • [13:39:42] <KotH> fiola: we know that already
  • [13:39:48] <_av500_> luckily very few of them will want to install Windows CE on it
  • [13:39:54] <fiola> Hahaha
  • [13:39:55] <KotH> fiola: we have felt it in the first week, when the channel was flooded
  • [13:40:44] <fiola> _av500_: as someone else mentioned, BDSM is a popular partime, so don't count on it :P
  • [13:40:54] <KotH> and actually, i assume someone engaging in running windows ce on a bbb knows a bit about embedded electronics and knows how to do stuff
  • [13:40:55] <fiola> passtime*
  • [13:42:53] <kfoltman> hi guis cn u help me do a windos ce project for skool plz?
  • [13:42:56] <kfoltman> j/k
  • [13:43:12] <KotH> kfoltman: ask your supervisor for a real project
  • [13:43:18] <fiola> love the spelling :P
  • [13:43:37] <_av500_> kfoltman: do I like me, copy from your clasmate
  • [13:43:40] <_av500_> classmate
  • [13:43:47] <_av500_> do it*
  • [13:43:53] <kfoltman> intel classmate?
  • [13:43:53] <_av500_> cant spell today
  • [13:43:59] <_av500_> kfoltman: yep for windows
  • [13:44:35] <KotH> _av500_: that explains how you got into all that tablet business... if you would have done your homework, and learned something in school.... ;-)
  • [13:44:44] <_av500_> ...
  • [13:44:46] <_av500_> :effort:
  • [13:46:19] <kfoltman> speaking of dumb questions, I'm stuck with one thing, no trolling this time: I made a 96M ext2 rootfs and made a compressed image using mkimage. I'm loading it at ${rdaddr} using fatload and then run a kernel using this ramroot value: /dev/ram0 rw ramdisk_size=98304 initrd=${rdaddr},96M. The kernel starts and panics due to "Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (1,0)". Did I do something stupid?
  • [13:46:41] <kfoltman> well, using gzip and the mkimage, of course
  • [13:47:36] <kfoltman> it previously worked with cramfs, but I didn't like my root fs being readonly (and yes, ramrootfstype is set correctly, to ext2)
  • [13:47:52] <KotH> kfoltman: have you compiled ext2 support into your kernel?
  • [13:48:24] <fiola> IOW module won't do.
  • [13:48:43] <kfoltman> Koth: <*> Second extended fs support <- sounds like a yes
  • [13:48:55] <KotH> hmm..
  • [13:49:35] <kfoltman> ext2/ext3/ext4 all compiled in, and the rootfs is old ext2 anyway
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  • [13:50:18] <KotH> do you have any other error?
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  • [13:50:23] <KotH> warning or the like?
  • [13:50:35] <KotH> like initrd support missing
  • [13:51:18] <kfoltman> no, and it worked with cramfs before anyway, same kernel
  • [13:51:25] <KotH> strange
  • [13:51:38] * KotH has no experience with initrd, as he usually uses initramfs
  • [13:53:02] <kfoltman> KotH: why? are you using separate boot and root fs'es? (my system doesn't probably need that separation)
  • [13:53:08] <kfoltman> http://pastebin.com/6vV9d1CS in case there's something meaningful in it
  • [13:53:21] <KotH> nope, just one fs
  • [13:53:55] <KotH> initrfamfs is slightly more compact in memory, and slightly more efficient, that's why i use it
  • [13:54:47] <KotH> meaningles pastebin is meaningles
  • [13:54:48] <kfoltman> http://pastebin.com/i1cMa5Hx ok, this has more context
  • [13:55:29] <KotH> hmm..
  • [13:55:43] <KotH> what does the kernel do in the first 0.8s?
  • [13:56:29] <kfoltman> don't know, draws a Tux on HDMI framebuffer? ;)
  • [13:56:48] <Jazzdude> I just received by BBB and followed the suggested update procedure, writing the image file to a uSD card and programming the eMMC. The operation finished with all board LEDs constantly lit, but now the beaglebone does not boot anymore. Only the power LED turns on
  • [13:56:52] <Jazzdude> what can I do?
  • [13:57:04] <Rickta59> eject the sdcard
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  • [13:57:11] <Jazzdude> I have
  • [13:57:30] <Rickta59> connect up a usb-ttl serial device and watch what is going on
  • [13:57:44] <KotH> Rickta59: lvcmos, not ttl
  • [13:57:53] <KotH> Rickta59: ttl signal levels will fry the cpu
  • [13:57:56] <Rickta59> a 3.3v usb serial device
  • [13:58:10] <Jazzdude> I'm afraid I don't have one
  • [13:58:17] <Rickta59> time to order
  • [13:58:51] <Rickta59> you could just download a bootable image
  • [13:58:58] <Rickta59> and boot from the sdcard
  • [13:59:04] <Jazzdude> I will try that
  • [13:59:05] <Jazzdude> thanks
  • [14:00:53] <fiola> Could use one BBB as a console interface for another :P
  • [14:01:26] <dm8tbr> or a beagleboard
  • [14:01:48] <KotH> eh..
  • [14:01:49] <fiola> Aye, anything with 3v3 serial
  • [14:02:07] <KotH> dm8tbr: we actually use arm7's for this kind of stuff at times :)
  • [14:02:21] <dm8tbr> :)
  • [14:03:20] <_av500_> what a waste of a perfectly good arm7
  • [14:04:01] <SpeedEvil> they're getting to be a dollar now
  • [14:04:06] <KotH> should we have used msp430s? :)
  • [14:04:38] <Rickta59> i've had good luck with those $7 ebay ftdi chips
  • [14:04:39] <Jazzdude> would this usb2serial connector work? : http://andre.blaatschaap.be/2013/01/cubieboard-serial-connection/
  • [14:05:08] <KotH> yes
  • [14:05:10] <_av500_> yes
  • [14:05:15] <_av500_> order 20
  • [14:05:21] <_av500_> keep one, resell the others here
  • [14:05:28] <_av500_> 4) profit
  • [14:05:38] <KotH> lol
  • [14:05:42] <Jazzdude> I already have that one I just found out :)
  • [14:05:49] <Jazzdude> what about the 5v pin?
  • [14:06:00] <Rickta59> don't use it
  • [14:06:01] <Jazzdude> I don't connect it, right?
  • [14:06:05] <Jazzdude> good
  • [14:06:09] <Sicelo> if you have old nokia usb cables (dku-5 & ca-42) .. those had the PL20303
  • [14:06:10] <Jazzdude> sorry, I'm very new to all this stuff
  • [14:06:11] <Rickta59> just the gnd and tx/rx
  • [14:06:37] <Sicelo> pl2303 rather
  • [14:06:53] <fiola> Jazzdude: http://be.farnell.com/ftdi/ttl-232r-3v3/cable-usb-to-ttl-level-serial-conv/dp/1329311
  • [14:07:40] <Rickta59> http://www.ebay.com/itm/FTDI-Basic-Breakout-Arduino-USB-TTL-6-PIN-3-3-5V-for-MWC-MultiWii-Lite-SE-/251267630427?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a80b7c55b
  • [14:07:46] <Jazzdude> fiola, thanks, I think I've already found one that works
  • [14:07:50] <BleedingBytes> 20e at farnell ? you can buy that stuff off ebay from <2e
  • [14:07:55] <Rickta59> that one works .. you have to cut the trace and make it 3.3volts though
  • [14:08:10] <Rickta59> solder bridge on the back of the board
  • [14:10:18] <_av500_> BleedingBytes: yes, or DX or Aliexpress
  • [14:10:34] <_av500_> just they they can take 4 weeks
  • [14:14:07] <KotH> argh.. what an idiot... has an high quality Cs beam standard, but takes it apart to sell its parts...
  • [14:16:38] <dm8tbr> I thought those were cheap nowadays due to being commonplace in scrapped BTSs etc
  • [14:16:49] <KotH> nope, they aren't
  • [14:16:54] <KotH> Rb frequency standards are cheap
  • [14:17:02] <dm8tbr> ah
  • [14:17:12] <KotH> that Cs standard even contained a BVA oscillator (the lowest noise oscillator known to men)
  • [14:17:12] <dm8tbr> mixed those up
  • [14:17:34] <KotH> and he is trying to sell the BVA for 4k5USD
  • [14:20:48] <ka6sox> Mourning Ladies and Trolls (and Trollettes?)
  • [14:20:59] <KotH> gr??ezi ka6sox
  • [14:21:28] <dm8tbr> a trollific moaning to you too ka6sox
  • [14:22:19] <ka6sox> need coffee (and Swiss Chocolate)
  • [14:23:31] <dm8tbr> yup, #essentialtools for booting
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  • [14:24:26] <ka6sox> KotH, you will bring the chocolate to ELCE right?
  • [14:24:41] <ka6sox> you promised....
  • [14:24:54] <KotH> ka6sox: if i can make it there. sure.
  • [14:25:06] <KotH> ka6sox: i dont go anywhere w/o a pack of chocolate
  • [14:25:13] <KotH> ka6sox: just ask dm8tbr or av500 :)
  • [14:25:30] * dm8tbr can confirm that
  • [14:31:59] <KotH> dm8tbr: FE-5680a are currently 80usd on ebay
  • [14:32:10] <KotH> (ie price comming down again)
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  • [14:34:00] <ka6sox> KotH, if I'm going to fly 5136 miles My wife wants to know that there is chocolate at the other end.
  • [14:34:14] <KotH> lol
  • [14:34:22] <KotH> ka6sox: i can make sure you get some
  • [14:34:33] <KotH> ka6sox: there are ways to deliver high qual swiss chocolate :)
  • [14:34:57] <ka6sox> KotH, her answer: "Any time now is fine!"
  • [14:35:21] * KotH doesnt ship food to the us
  • [14:35:37] <KotH> there are too many customs officiers waiting to get his explosives
  • [14:36:10] <PaulePanter> Hi. Is there somebody living in Berlin having some BeagleBones?
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  • [14:36:52] <KotH> given the fact that there are 3.5 mio people in berlin.. i'd say the chances are high
  • [14:36:57] <PaulePanter> And who could borrow them to the coreboot hacker meeting today and tomorrow?
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  • [14:37:22] <ka6sox> that might limit the number...
  • [14:37:24] <KotH> those chances are quite considerably lower
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  • [14:40:08] <ka6sox> PaulePanter, I'd send email on this too...(ph0rums/googlegroups whatever they are called)
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  • [14:42:15] <_av500_> PaulePanter: ask janne
  • [14:42:42] <PaulePanter> janne_: Hi. Can
  • [14:42:45] <PaulePanter> ??? y
  • [14:43:06] <PaulePanter> you borrow a BeagleBone to the coreboot summit today or tomorrow?
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  • [14:43:13] <PaulePanter> Thanks to all the others.
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  • [14:44:21] <_av500_> PaulePanter: https://plus.google.com/100303819724311361864/posts/7HajyjoDp65
  • [14:44:24] <_av500_> see, he has 2 :)
  • [14:45:10] <tdilly> Trying to get Arch on my BBB, I'm at the step of moving the arch fs onto the eMMC from an SD card, the files start transferring and at a some point the BBB will power off before I can extract the fs.
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  • [14:45:34] <timm> oh my god, this device trees are complicated
  • [14:45:46] <_av500_> tdilly: why not leave it on the sdcard
  • [14:45:46] <tdilly> Anyone have Arch on their BBB rev A5A?
  • [14:45:52] <_av500_> just ignore the emmc
  • [14:45:58] <_av500_> boot from SD
  • [14:46:02] <_av500_> its much easier for tinkering
  • [14:46:07] <tdilly> _av500_: I don't want to hold the boot button down to boot into it
  • [14:46:13] <_av500_> you dont need to
  • [14:46:19] <_av500_> just kill MLO on the emmc
  • [14:46:24] <_av500_> and it will boot from the sd
  • [14:46:47] * _av500_ feels like beagle Classic all over again
  • [14:47:00] <tdilly> _av500_: It's going to have to now because there is now a half transferred arch on the eMMC root
  • [14:47:10] <_av500_> so?
  • [14:47:12] <_av500_> boot from sd
  • [14:47:15] <_av500_> and kill MLO
  • [14:47:45] <tdilly> _av500_: but shouldn't I be able to update the eMMC?
  • [14:47:48] <dm8tbr> _av500_: I wondered why they went for fixed storage again...
  • [14:47:52] <_av500_> timm: no, DTs are simeple
  • [14:47:54] <_av500_> simple
  • [14:47:59] <_av500_> all the Macs use them
  • [14:48:03] <_av500_> so it must be easy
  • [14:48:11] <_av500_> jsobs would never made it complicated
  • [14:48:15] <_av500_> sjobs*
  • [14:49:32] <PaulePanter> To decrease chances even more, I just heard, they need just the BeagleBone and not the Black one. (So the predecessor.)
  • [14:49:52] <_av500_> thats mostle the same
  • [14:49:54] <_av500_> mostly
  • [14:50:13] <_av500_> in terms of booting
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  • [14:50:22] <_av500_> unless they need the jtag
  • [14:50:33] <_av500_> thats onboard on the BBW only indeed
  • [14:51:21] <timm> i have enabled the uart2 by inserting "uart2: serial@4802200 { status = "okay" };" into the file am335x-bone-common.dtsi. do i have to do some other muxing?
  • [14:52:29] <_av500_> timm: there are a few posts on that on the mailing list
  • [14:53:59] <_av500_> http://www.berriman.co.uk/beaglebone-black-with-rs232-cape/
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  • [14:57:45] <dm8tbr> PaulePanter: your chances are probably better in engaging with the local hacker-spaces and hacker communities
  • [14:58:19] <_av500_> as in somebody at c-base
  • [14:58:23] <_av500_> they have an irc channel
  • [14:58:41] <dm8tbr> I think there's more than just c-base
  • [14:58:52] <dm8tbr> in-berlin and others come to mind
  • [14:59:17] <_av500_> maybe
  • [14:59:40] <timm> _av500_: thanks
  • [15:01:23] <CareBear\> _av500_ : so
  • [15:01:32] <CareBear\> _av500_ : the work being done is to implement a new bootlodaer
  • [15:01:33] <CareBear\> loader
  • [15:01:46] <ka6sox> ???
  • [15:02:09] <CareBear\> _av500_ : are you absolutely sure that the soc on the black is not at all different from the soc on the original as far as register init by the bootloader goes?
  • [15:03:57] <ka6sox> CareBear\, there are these things called TRMs....they tell you things like this....
  • [15:05:03] <dm8tbr> MLO has been pretty similar for all OMAP3/4 and AM3xx I've seen so far, but then I never looked very closely let alone at the source code
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  • [15:29:06] <dm8tbr> _av500_: for your next caturday - http://imgur.com/ZPMfKhC - you're welcome
  • [15:29:50] <ka6sox> dm8tbr, thats just.....wierd
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  • [15:33:36] <KotH> the kickstarter vid is even more wierd
  • [15:34:29] <KotH> if i had a bike, i would buy one
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  • [15:37:10] <ka6sox> KotH, you need a bike...good exercise.
  • [15:38:33] <KotH> nah.. the place i live has no nice roads to ride a bike :-(
  • [15:38:53] <KotH> and my way to work is infested with trucks
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  • [15:40:49] <_av500_> CareBear\: same SoC
  • [15:43:52] <dm8tbr> pfew, that's one expensive device :/
  • [15:44:29] <KotH> produced in usa
  • [15:45:01] * KotH wonders why that even counts as an quality argument
  • [15:45:31] <dm8tbr> "Schlechtes muss nicht billig sein" (unrelated to the kickstarter project though)
  • [15:45:40] * KotH nods
  • [15:46:05] <KotH> the last item i bought that was advertised as "made in usa" was broken by design.. and did cost me 500eur
  • [15:48:48] <ka6sox> not everything from here is broken by design.
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  • [15:51:55] <KotH> yeah
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  • [16:21:43] <windexh8er> Anybody have any problems with the BBB crashing under load?
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  • [16:23:34] <fiola> Haven't done any load tests personally, but it's a good thing to test. What's your load?
  • [16:25:31] <windexh8er> Not very much.
  • [16:25:59] <windexh8er> If I'm transferring something via SSH from the local network and it's clipping along at 5-6MB/sec it will inevitably crash.
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  • [16:26:39] <windexh8er> I'm running it on USB power, but the supply is 5v @ 2A.
  • [16:27:14] <fiola> Interesting.
  • [16:27:16] <windexh8er> And if I boot it up with the Ethernet plugged in it will crash as well...
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  • [16:27:33] <windexh8er> Just starts to boot and then completely shuts off.
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  • [16:28:04] <windexh8er> Just wondering if I got a flaky board or not.
  • [16:28:38] <windexh8er> I have an original BB and haven't ever had any issues like this.
  • [16:28:54] <fiola> That looks bad. My BBB always has the Ethernet cable inserted, and it's certainly never crashed on bootup. In fact it's never crashed at all, and I do install packages which load up the network.
  • [16:29:55] <fiola> Anything in the log?
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  • [16:30:20] <windexh8er> Nothing that seems to be tied to anything in software.
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  • [16:30:33] <windexh8er> I think I may order another one and try to RMA this one.
  • [16:31:04] <fiola> Is anything on your board hot, the PHY chip in particular?
  • [16:31:09] <windexh8er> The fact that it wouldn't boot with Ethernet plugged made me the most suspicious of a hardware problem.
  • [16:32:06] <windexh8er> I haven't checked, I'll try again.
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  • [16:33:04] <dm8tbr> windexh8er: this might still be related to the way how you power it. It probably senses the USB port and tries to limit to 500mA
  • [16:33:19] * dm8tbr would recommend to power from the barrel connector
  • [16:33:20] <windexh8er> I've tried a few different distributions and they all do the same thing.
  • [16:33:43] <windexh8er> So even when it's powered via a wallwart directly to mains it will drop to the 500mA?
  • [16:35:26] <fiola> If it won't boot with Ethernet plugged in, that would seem to eliminate bad memory as the cause, since boot-time and post-boot memory use is likely to be different. Does suggest it's Ethernet hardware, although not really much data.
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  • [16:38:40] <fiola> Well, boot time is pretty power-intensive, so maybe it's a power issue. Monitor the power during bootup with a DVM or scope? The transients are smoothed out so you have a good chance of spotting a bad voltage dip just by eyeballing.
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  • [16:40:18] <fiola> It was easy to spot power problems during bootup on Pi with its seat-of-pants power implementation. :P
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  • [16:41:20] <windexh8er> Are there any pins I can measure across to see the amperage being pulled?
  • [16:41:40] <Sy_> Hi I have two beaglebone black boards, just run through the opkg update and upgrade, now both of them appear to not be responding...help
  • [16:42:03] <Sy_> All the LEDs are on solid, no flashing
  • [16:42:34] <Sy_> They don't appear in my router
  • [16:43:00] <fiola> windexh8er: not looked, because never had any power problems on BB white nor Black. Test points is a good question though. I'd look in the schematic.
  • [16:43:42] <dm8tbr> windexh8er: the SRM might know if there is a shunt and how to interface / read it
  • [16:44:14] <dm8tbr> the easiest test would be to just take a 5V psu with barrel-connector and power it that way
  • [16:44:54] <fiola> Sy_: Unfortunately, that is the single most common problem reported. Really CircuitCo should temporarily remove the recommendations to upgrade until it's resolved. It's failing for too many people.
  • [16:45:24] <Sy_> dam....can I do anything to recover them?
  • [16:45:54] <DigiDaz_> windexh8er: My board exhibits exactly the same problems when powered by USB
  • [16:46:08] <dm8tbr> I think there is a simple recovery procedure with booting from microSD
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  • [16:46:16] <fiola> Sy_: The recommendation I've seen given here most frequently is: Make yourself a bootable SD from a standard image, boot that, and use it to diagnose your messed up eMMC.
  • [16:46:25] <DigiDaz_> Its absolutely fine powered using the barrel plug thing
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  • [16:47:05] <Sy_> Bugger...don't have an external PSU yet....or SD with boot image, on order.
  • [16:47:10] <fiola> DigiDaz_: excellent, two identical behaviors is very good datapoint. Thanks.
  • [16:47:16] <windexh8er> DigiDaz_: Interesting!
  • [16:47:54] <Sy_> Was trying to get mySQL server installed and running, but there were problems there to.
  • [16:48:07] <fiola> Baby steps :P
  • [16:48:39] <windexh8er> Sy_: You can write out one of the emmc restore images which will recover the emmc back to stock.
  • [16:48:44] <DigiDaz_> I have it on the floor running as a PBX at the moment but until I powered using the barrel plug, I couldn't even copy an image to eMMC from an SD card without it crashing, not could I boot with ethernet plugged in. I tried multiple USB poers supplies too
  • [16:48:55] <narcos> Hi all. I've got a BeagleBone (white) with an Edimax EW-7711USn WiFi adapter and a Huawei E160 3G modem plugged in to a non-powered USB hub. It's been working fine for >a month, but today it's started acting very eratic. Am I possibly drawing too much current?
  • [16:49:19] <Sy_> Sorry for my ignorance, how?
  • [16:49:24] <windexh8er> DigiDaz_: That's exactly the same problem I was having. Annoying as heck - considering my original BB never exhibited the same behavior.
  • [16:49:53] <DigiDaz_> Its been up 3 days 18 hours now the the barrel plug thingy
  • [16:49:57] <windexh8er> Sy_: You can just snag the eMMC flasher image from here: http://beagleboard.org/latest-images
  • [16:50:02] <dm8tbr> powering over USB is always a challenge
  • [16:50:07] <windexh8er> Sy_: Second link down.
  • [16:50:14] <dm8tbr> as you have a hard 2.5W power envelope you have to stay in
  • [16:50:20] <dm8tbr> if you exceed that - boom
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  • [16:50:41] <windexh8er> dm8tbr: Ahhh... Was that not the case in the original BB?
  • [16:50:41] <Sy_> Downloading now.
  • [16:51:09] <dm8tbr> windexh8er: I don't remember right now, it might have not limited the current to 500mA.
  • [16:51:26] <dm8tbr> it certainly booted in a low power mode though
  • [16:51:27] <DigiDaz_> I've given up trying to get any sort of HDMI output too :)
  • [16:52:28] <Sy_> Are they're any good FAQ's around for getting mySQL running on the board?
  • [16:52:31] <fiola> dm8tbr: Agreed. The BBB out-of-the-box experience is really terrific, so easy for beginners within minutes. But the first recommendation should be "Get 5V barrel connector PSU before substantive upgrades."
  • [16:52:57] <windexh8er> Sy_: So once you have that down you can write it out to an image directly by using xz: `xz -cd ./BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.20.img.xz > /dev/mmcblk0`
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  • [16:53:17] <windexh8er> If you're on Linux or OS X (although you need the xz package on OS X).
  • [16:53:24] <DigiDaz_> Sy_: What distro you got running on it? I have MySQL running under Debian no problem
  • [16:54:00] <narcos> Another question then; I'd like to use a powered USB hub - are there adapters that have a two plugs on the end, one for the Bone, and one for the Hub?
  • [16:54:04] <Sy_> I am using the Angstrom Linux as it came....
  • [16:54:08] <narcos> (to avoid having to plug in two plugs
  • [16:54:11] <Sy_> I'm running on Windows 7 64
  • [16:54:18] <DigiDaz_> Do any of you guys have any recommendations for the PSU, I'm just using an IP phone one at the moment
  • [16:54:28] <windexh8er> Sy_: http://www.armhf.com/index.php/boards/beaglebone-black/
  • [16:54:47] <windexh8er> Sy_: There some nice images there if you're interested in running Debian / Ubuntu for BBB.
  • [16:54:50] <dm8tbr> narcos: I've seen such, but make sure to get a power supply that can handle the total current drain
  • [16:54:58] <windexh8er> Sy_: There's also some good info on how to flash to eMMC.
  • [16:55:12] <Sy_> ty, will take a look
  • [16:55:28] <narcos> dm8tbr: Got any links? I can't seem to find on Google - suspect I may be searching for the wrong terms.
  • [16:55:29] <windexh8er> DigiDaz_: Is there barrel plug 2.1mm?
  • [16:55:38] <fiola> DigiDaz_: suitable ones are listed as standard BBB accessories almost everywhere. If you use Farnell in any country, it's on same page as BBB.
  • [16:55:41] <windexh8er> DigiDaz_: there/the
  • [16:56:01] <DigiDaz_> K, thanks, it was farnell I got it from
  • [16:56:21] <DigiDaz_> Do you think mayber the PSU could make HDMI an issue?
  • [16:56:23] <dm8tbr> narcos: I've seen it with adafruit IIRC
  • [16:56:54] <Sy_> I now have the BB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.20.img.xz file, what do I do with it ?
  • [16:57:05] <narcos> dm8tbr: Ok I'll pull that into my Google query
  • [16:57:32] <DigiDaz_> Sy_: Just put it on an SD and then reboot
  • [16:57:40] <fiola> Don't know about HDMI power requirements, but given the high HDMI data rate, it's unlikely to be very frugal.
  • [16:58:06] <DigiDaz_> It will chug and whir for about half an hour or so, then it will be installed on the eMMC
  • [16:58:13] <Sy_> from Windows 7 host?
  • [16:58:39] <DigiDaz_> Sy_: Yep, but do you not want a Debian or Ubuntu instead?
  • [16:58:56] <windexh8er> Sy_: beagleboard.org/Getting Started#update
  • [16:59:07] <windexh8er> Sy_: You can follow that for Windows.
  • [16:59:20] <windexh8er> Sy_: You can't just copy it to the mSD card, you need to write it out.
  • [16:59:39] <dm8tbr> narcos: ignore the picture ??? Anleitung zur Auflistung der Informationen zur Fehlerbehebung
  • [16:59:42] <dm8tbr> (folge dieser Anleitung Schritt-f??r-Schritt und lasse dabei *keinen* der 5 (f??nf) Punkte aus!) ??? http://justpaste.it/Infos-zur-Fehlerbebung
  • [16:59:45] <dm8tbr> gargh
  • [16:59:47] <dm8tbr> sorry
  • [16:59:48] <dm8tbr> https://plus.google.com/u/0/100242854243155306943/posts/NqjuXowttVd
  • [16:59:54] <dm8tbr> wrong paste buffer :-/
  • [16:59:58] <Sy_> I tried to go down this road earlier today, but there doesn't seem to be a flash tool available for Windows 7 64bit.
  • [17:00:07] <windexh8er> Sy: Sure there is.
  • [17:00:11] <Sy_> Image Writer I mean
  • [17:00:27] <windexh8er> Sy_: It's listed in the documentation - there's an Ubuntu image writer you can use under Windows.
  • [17:00:31] <narcos> dm8tbr: Heh, np. Great - thanks for that!
  • [17:00:40] <Sy_> mmm....found it
  • [17:00:43] <Sy_> sorry
  • [17:00:55] <DigiDaz_> I'm using windows 7 64bit
  • [17:01:49] <DigiDaz_> win32diskimager seems to work for every image I've tried so far
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  • [17:03:24] <windexh8er> DigiDaz_: http://www.adafruit.com/products/276 < Seems like a decent PSU. 5V @ 2A for $10/USD.
  • [17:03:42] <windexh8er> DigiDaz_: Unfortunately out of stock right now.
  • [17:04:02] <SpeedEvil> I recommend the nexus 7 power supply.
  • [17:04:05] <DigiDaz_> I'm UK but I'll take a look, thanks, I'll see if I can get the same here.
  • [17:04:35] <Sy_> Downloading debian image now
  • [17:05:02] <dm8tbr> windexh8er: buying a random powered hub usually includes a 2-3A 5V supply at about the same price
  • [17:05:06] <windexh8er> SpeedEvil: That'd be USB though.
  • [17:05:18] <DigiDaz_> This thing is making a great little PBX at the moment but I want to use it ideally as a thin client
  • [17:05:22] <windexh8er> dm8tbr: Ahhhh, good point.
  • [17:05:38] <windexh8er> DigiDaz_: Otherwise here's a slew of them on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_7_5?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=5v+2a+power+adapter+5.5mm&sprefix=5V+2A%2Celectronics%2C759
  • [17:05:41] <SpeedEvil> windexh8er: USB lead -> connecotr - job done
  • [17:05:43] <dm8tbr> that's where mine comes from
  • [17:06:09] <windexh8er> SpeedEvil: So you do USB to the 2.1mm plug?
  • [17:06:24] <SpeedEvil> yes
  • [17:06:29] <windexh8er> Gotcha.
  • [17:06:36] <windexh8er> That might be the best path.
  • [17:06:36] <Sy_> So why have these units become unaddressable?
  • [17:06:39] <SpeedEvil> I'd actually probably glue the 2.1 plug in
  • [17:06:44] <windexh8er> Since I have tons of 2A USB plugs.
  • [17:07:00] <SpeedEvil> As chances of losing a random 5V PSU are high
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  • [17:07:22] <narcos> dm8tbr: So, if the Bone likes 1A, and the USB powered hub likes 2A, I'd need a 5V 3A adapter? (I'm not sure if we just stack the amps ?)
  • [17:07:49] <dm8tbr> narcos: well it's an up-to-thing
  • [17:08:05] <dm8tbr> depends on what you want to use with the hub
  • [17:08:51] <narcos> dm8tbr: I've got a BeagleBone (white). I want to plug in an Edimax EW-7711USn WiFi adapter, and a Huawei E160 3G modem
  • [17:09:52] <narcos> dm8tbr: I've got a 5V 2A adapter powering it at the moment
  • [17:10:14] <dm8tbr> mh, might be enough, or not
  • [17:10:46] <dm8tbr> does the adapter get very warm?
  • [17:11:00] <narcos> No, it doesn't feel warm
  • [17:11:26] <narcos> It's odd though - the bone was working fine with these two devices for a month, and today it's behaving all eratic
  • [17:11:42] <dm8tbr> could be the psu dying though
  • [17:11:51] <narcos> e.g. can't detect one of the devices, or the 3G modem claims to be connected, but isn't
  • [17:12:04] <narcos> ahhh
  • [17:12:09] <mru> probably something psuchedelic
  • [17:12:33] <dm8tbr> PsychedelicSupplyUnit
  • [17:12:51] <narcos> Ohhh
  • [17:13:57] <narcos> I'll try buy a new one tomorrow.
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  • [17:18:00] <Sy_> Is the problem I've encountered limited to the Angstrom Linux ?
  • [17:19:03] <narcos> What is the milliamp limit for the USB port ?
  • [17:19:25] <SpeedEvil> It's complex.
  • [17:19:26] <narcos> I can't seem to see it referenced in the docs, and Google gives me figures from 100mA to 500mA
  • [17:19:36] <SpeedEvil> What are you trying to do?
  • [17:20:10] <SpeedEvil> Compliant devices will only draw 100mA without negotiating with the host, and then only up to 500mA thereafter.
  • [17:20:22] <narcos> SpeedEvil: Want to plug in an Edimax EW-7711USn WiFi adapter, and a Huawei E160 3G modem
  • [17:20:30] <SpeedEvil> Devices connected to chargers can draw more
  • [17:20:42] <KotH> SpeedEvil: usb3 allows to draw more
  • [17:20:47] <SpeedEvil> Quite
  • [17:21:33] <narcos> Am I correct in thinking that I need to find how much current these devices each want, and sum that value up?
  • [17:21:43] <narcos> ( my university physics is flakey )
  • [17:21:54] <KotH> narcos: uhmm.. 3G modesm are known to draw several A peak
  • [17:22:16] <KotH> narcos: peak as in "over several seconds until it can connect"
  • [17:22:29] <narcos> KotH: Ah ok
  • [17:23:49] <narcos> Any advice on how I should proceed?
  • [17:23:54] <KotH> narcos: anything below a good 5V 4A supply wont do it
  • [17:24:01] <KotH> go for a 5A supply if you can
  • [17:24:18] <KotH> and add some big caps to buffer for the load changes
  • [17:24:43] <narcos> KotH: OK - I'll buy a 5A one tomorrow. And this may negate the need for a powered hub?
  • [17:25:06] <KotH> i dont see where the hub comes into play
  • [17:25:48] <narcos> KotH: Perhaps I misunderstood. I thought that if my USB peripherals were drawing more current than the USB ports could supply, I'd need to use a powered hub
  • [17:25:58] <KotH> ah..
  • [17:26:05] <KotH> they are definitly drawing more
  • [17:26:13] <KotH> you have to supply them somehow
  • [17:26:37] <KotH> i dont know whether a powered hub helps (these tend to have current limiters sometimes)
  • [17:26:59] <KotH> you have to try
  • [17:27:15] <KotH> but with a 2A supply it's definitly a power problem
  • [17:27:27] <KotH> you probably used the psu at its limit for too long, wearing out its parts
  • [17:27:57] <narcos> KotH: So, having a greater PSU will enable the Bone to supply greater power to USB peripherals? Is there a limit on this? I'm not sure I understand the electronics properly - but does the USB port have a limit of how much power it can supply, independent of the PSU?
  • [17:28:46] <KotH> uhmm.. i dont know the schematics of the bone, but if it doesnt have a current limiter somewhere, it can supply more power, yes
  • [17:28:51] <narcos> KotH: Ah ok - that's good to hear (that the PSU may be my problem). The board actually came with a 1A, and I went and found a 2A, thinking that'd be plenty.
  • [17:29:49] <ka6sox> not for 3G
  • [17:29:53] <Sy_> Not having much luck with my card reader is there any other known way to recover these without re-doing the image?
  • [17:30:01] <KotH> narcos: well.. a standard wifi module can use 2A peak, i've seen gsm/3g modem with 4A peak
  • [17:30:52] <narcos> KotH: Ouch. How do you measure that?
  • [17:30:53] <Sy_> Fortunately found another card reader that does work
  • [17:31:03] <KotH> narcos: i've read the specs
  • [17:31:29] <Sy_> Writing image to SD card now...
  • [17:31:45] <narcos> KotH: OK - I've been trying to find specs, but haven't seen such references yet
  • [17:32:10] <KotH> narcos: they are not easy to find for consumer devices
  • [17:32:38] <KotH> narcos: easiest is to find out what chipset they use, and then look up the specs of the chips... you can find them
  • [17:32:45] <narcos> KotH: ahhhh ok
  • [17:32:51] * narcos tries that
  • [17:33:26] <Sy_> have to go, thank you for your help.
  • [17:33:48] <narcos> Seems to be a Ralink RT2870 chipset for the WiFi
  • [17:33:48] <KotH> narcos: er... *if* you can find them
  • [17:33:54] * KotH should not type while cooking
  • [17:34:09] <narcos> heh
  • [17:34:47] <keesj_> I know of some of these GPRS issues but I never experianced them with usb based modems. anything about 1 am will certainly stop a normal pc from working
  • [17:35:16] <KotH> not really
  • [17:35:28] <KotH> the usb 5v is directly connected to the psu
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  • [17:35:30] <Jazzdude> just a quick question to make sure I'm not entirely misled: The default angstrom linux of the BBB does not make use of the HDMI output, right? So I can use the GPIO pins associated with HDMI without running into conflicts and having to unload some driver?
  • [17:35:36] <KotH> most pcs dont even have current limiters
  • [17:35:43] <Jazzdude> (lsmod did not show any HDMI related module, that's why I ask)
  • [17:35:48] <KotH> so, you can draw anything the psu can deliver
  • [17:36:32] <KotH> shorting a usb power gives you quite a nice spark...and your pc might not boot anymore afterwards
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  • [17:52:04] <koen> Jazzdude: HDMI is used by default
  • [17:52:11] <koen> like one would expect
  • [17:53:21] <Jazzdude> koen, ok, then how can I turn it off to free the pins?
  • [17:53:40] <Jazzdude> lsmod didn't list any driver that I could just unload
  • [17:54:04] <koen> what makes you think 'rmmod' would free up the pins?
  • [17:54:12] <koen> hint: it wouldn't
  • [17:54:38] <Jazzdude> I just read the introduction document and it suggested that unloading the driver would do that
  • [17:55:05] <Jazzdude> Quote: "However, note that the Linux software typically allocates these for use by the HDMI driver, so your software might not be able to get access to them without unloading that driver."
  • [17:59:08] <Jazzdude> koen, so what do you suggest I do in order to use these pins for other tasks?
  • [17:59:59] <jacekowski> KotH: according to USB specification (and device is required to meet that specification in order to be certified), shorting of any USB pins should not be damaging to the device
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  • [18:04:44] <KotH> jacekowski: and how many devices do actually get fully certified?
  • [18:04:54] <KotH> jacekowski: or how closely are those specs followed?
  • [18:05:22] <Guser> Hi everyone, are there any drivers needed to setup the usb network with the BB-Black on the PC side? I am using Gentoo and I fail to access the 192.168.7.2 default address. help will be much appreciated!
  • [18:05:52] <KotH> Guser: usb network? why dont you just use ethernet?
  • [18:06:25] <Guser> It doesn't have a default network address via ethernet and I cannot connect it to a screen at the moment
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  • [18:06:57] <KotH> Guser: serial console is your friend
  • [18:07:09] <Guser> KotH: great idea! thanks
  • [18:08:09] <Guser> KotH: but just in case, do you know of any drivers the USB network requires? Do I need to setup a tun device?
  • [18:08:25] * KotH knows nothing about that
  • [18:08:36] * Guser nods
  • [18:08:54] * KotH is just a lowly, uneducated troll
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  • [18:09:27] <genpix> i finally made my BBB to talk to my LCD7 :)
  • [18:09:27] * Guser hugs KotH and goes to set up the serial console
  • [18:10:22] <genpix> not sure weather HDMI is broken now or not
  • [18:11:06] <mranostay> KotH: oh don't be sure hard on yourself :P
  • [18:11:43] <KotH> mranostay: at least i know the difference between good chocolate and beer ;)
  • [18:12:26] <mranostay> why not zoidberg^H^H^H^H in one
  • [18:12:34] <mranostay> *both
  • [18:12:42] <KotH> ugh..
  • [18:12:53] <KotH> that would be a waste of good chocolate
  • [18:13:04] <KotH> actually, that would be a waste of any chocolate, good and bad
  • [18:13:17] <mranostay> boo
  • [18:13:22] <KotH> :)
  • [18:13:43] <mranostay> i cut the line here --> http://rogue.com/beers/voodoo-bacon-maple.php
  • [18:15:15] * KotH draws the line here -> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/a-threat-to-cocacola-japan-sips-the-eel-thing-879422.html
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  • [18:25:21] <mranostay> eel soda
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  • [18:25:29] <mranostay> why? comes to mind
  • [18:26:36] <mru> because japan
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  • [18:26:40] <KotH> because they can
  • [18:26:49] <ad1054> I am brand new to beagleboard and want to run my first program on cloud9. I am a java programmerb ,ut cannot get a simple javaScript to run.
  • [18:27:01] <mru> mranostay: ever been there?
  • [18:27:39] <mranostay> nope
  • [18:27:46] <KotH> big mistake!
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  • [18:29:26] <KotH> to restore your faith in the stupidity of humankind: read yahoo answers for a couple of minutes
  • [18:30:55] <jacekowski> KotH: i've had sony laptop that followed those specs properly
  • [18:31:07] <jacekowski> KotH: and that laptop even had proper current limiting
  • [18:31:20] <KotH> lucky you
  • [18:31:22] <jacekowski> KotH: when current on port exceeded negotiated value it would turn off that port
  • [18:31:32] <KotH> unlucky you
  • [18:31:36] <dm8tbr> laptops often have polyfuses and stuff
  • [18:31:52] <jacekowski> that part caused me some issues with HDDs and stuff
  • [18:32:20] <jacekowski> but i could just short out usb port on it and all i would get is warning message saying that overcurrent was detected
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  • [18:43:14] <m_billybob> windexh8er i know its a bit late . . . waas just reading up though, i think i recall someone on the groups saying a new USB cable fixed that for them
  • [18:43:59] <m_billybob> power issues over USB that is
  • [18:44:45] <windexh8er> m_billybob: Thanks. Ordered a few 2.1mm barrel PSUs and a few USB to 2.1mm as well.
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  • [18:45:12] <m_billybob> hopefully it fixes your problem if that doesnt work, yeah RMA that sucker
  • [18:45:25] <m_billybob> Im powered via USB but i also have usb 3.0 on that port so . . .
  • [18:45:41] <windexh8er> Does Ninja blocks force the user to plug in via a barrel connector then? Guessing so since they power both BB and Arduino in one unit.
  • [18:45:59] * m_billybob doesnt know
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  • [18:46:48] <windexh8er> m_billybob: I'm guessing it will. Seems like the USB is limited significantly. Wish they would send the BB with both a mUSB as well as USB->2.1mm
  • [18:47:20] <windexh8er> Most people have a >1A USB power plug laying around at least. :)
  • [18:47:37] <m_billybob> well i dont recall the exact specs the SRM says, but at boot the bbb can draw up to 460mA I think, and if the USB supply you';re using a a tiny bit flaky . . . yeah i could see that being an issue
  • [18:48:21] <m_billybob> you're sure the USB hub you're using will supply up to 2A over one port though ?
  • [18:48:27] <windexh8er> m_billybob: Well it's odd because I've tried numerous >2A USB plugs and none of them seem to be able to provide the power at boot, especially if Ethernet is plugged in.
  • [18:48:46] <m_billybob> yeah really odd
  • [18:48:49] <windexh8er> Yeah, it's direct. USB wall plug (2A) directly to BBB.
  • [18:48:59] <m_billybob> ah gotcha
  • [18:49:06] <m_billybob> i assumed a hub, bad me
  • [18:49:08] <windexh8er> Someone else said they had the exact problem - something my original BB didn't seem to have a problem with.
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  • [18:49:12] <windexh8er> No problem.
  • [18:49:19] <windexh8er> Thanks for the feedback. :)
  • [18:49:47] <m_billybob> troublelshooter at heart uf u dotn know ill still bug yeah in hopes i can figure it out lol
  • [18:49:54] <m_billybob> if i*
  • [18:50:36] <m_billybob> but yes, thats really strange maybe the USB portion of the board is . . .bad or flaky
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  • [18:52:46] <windexh8er> m_billybob: I'm going to order another to validate - if the second one does the same thing I'll chalk it up to the design, otherwise I'll RMA. Either way I'll end up with two BBB. Not a bad thing. :)
  • [18:53:04] <Defiant> yeah, debian runs :))
  • [18:54:07] <windexh8er> Defiant: Robert Nelson does an awesome job of packaging up Debian/Ubuntu. :)
  • [18:54:38] <Defiant> windexh8er: whats packaged?
  • [18:55:50] <windexh8er> Defiant: Robert Nelson does most of those builds if you downloaded an image of Debian. And then John Clark did a bunch of changes for writing them directly to the BBB eMMC.
  • [18:55:56] <m_billybob> windexh8er, yeah he does i followed his instructions little over a week ago when we got our two blacks, and been running debian ever since lol
  • [18:56:12] * m_billybob isnt lookign back either
  • [18:56:47] <windexh8er> m_billybob: Wheezy for sheezy?
  • [18:56:52] <Defiant> windexh8er: I think I read about it in the wiki, but could not follow it - it was too complicated for me :(
  • [18:56:56] <m_billybob> lol Wheezy
  • [18:57:20] <windexh8er> Defiant: It's pretty easy actually... Did you check out the builds on this page: http://www.armhf.com/index.php/boards/beaglebone-black/ ?
  • [18:57:30] <windexh8er> Defiant:
  • [18:57:30] <m_billybob> Defiant, its an exersize in copy paste, doesnt get much easier . . .
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  • [18:58:05] <windexh8er> Defiant: There's instructions as well... But any of the SD writing instructions work. You just boot from mSD and then write the image back over to the mmcblk1 device.
  • [18:59:43] <m_billybob> windexh8er, never really though abotu that much myself becasue i want to boot sd for now, but yeah you could just go bac up to the top and copy the sd image ovr exactly like the instructions i bet
  • [19:00:02] <m_billybob> to emmc i mean
  • [19:00:08] <m_billybob> shouldnt be too much different
  • [19:00:32] <windexh8er> Defiant: I modify the rootfs partition before booting off the image I just wrote to the mSD to include the .xz of the image I want to write back to the eMMC.
  • [19:00:59] <windexh8er> m_billybob: Yep, exactly.
  • [19:01:29] <Defiant> windexh8er: ok havn't seen that prebuild image. Anyway I got the debian running by copying the kernel/loader from angstrom und doing a simple debootstrap
  • [19:01:31] <windexh8er> m_billybob: The xz utility is already in the build, so you can write it back directly to eMMC.
  • [19:01:52] <windexh8er> Defiant: Awesome. You did it the hard way first. :)
  • [19:02:16] <windexh8er> Defiant: Everything else should be cake next time you build one.
  • [19:02:17] <m_billybob> well even if not wouldnt be too hard to apt0get install
  • [19:02:30] <m_billybob> apt-get install*
  • [19:02:37] <Defiant> windexh8er: Actually pretty easy..but this is not my first arm board ;)
  • [19:03:14] <m_billybob> lol i got my cross dev system srtup
  • [19:03:15] <windexh8er> Defiant: I just looked for someone who already did all the work. :) And, low and behold...
  • [19:03:21] <m_billybob> setup*
  • [19:03:37] <m_billybob> wonder how mnay people are doing this how im doing it
  • [19:06:00] <m_billybob> hmm debootstrap
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  • [19:43:17] <shabaz> Hello, having difficulty in reading any GPIO0 or GPIO2 pins on the Beaglebone Black. I can read GPIO1 just fine. The "cat $PINS" correctly shows my GPIO0_xx pin is set to 0x2f (i.e. mode 7, input) and am trying to read it via PRU-ICSS. In the assembler, I have set the GPIO_OE register, and when I read GPIO_DATAIN, I just see 0x00000000 :-( And yet it works fine with GPIO1. Any ideas?
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  • [19:44:53] <shabaz> I've been documenting it at this URL http://www.element14.com/community/community/knode/single-board_computers/next-gen_beaglebone/blog/2013/05/22/bbb--working-with-the-pru-icssprussv2 to help others use the PRU-ICSS too. However, the GPIO0 and GPIO2 reads have got me stumped
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  • [19:46:14] <yspanjers> Hi, does somebody have time to give me advice on a project with the beaglebone?
  • [19:46:53] <BleedingBytes> maybe
  • [19:46:59] <BleedingBytes> what are you up to old pal?
  • [19:47:12] <yspanjers> Is there a way to get audio in on the beaglebone
  • [19:47:33] <dm8tbr> using the audio cape
  • [19:47:41] <yspanjers> ?
  • [19:47:48] <BleedingBytes> yes
  • [19:47:51] <BleedingBytes> audio cape
  • [19:47:54] <yspanjers> What is that?
  • [19:48:00] <BleedingBytes> look it up bro
  • [19:48:04] <yspanjers> I do not own a beaglebone yet ;)
  • [19:48:11] <dm8tbr> ask the internet search engine of your least distrust
  • [19:48:19] <BleedingBytes> bing it lmao
  • [19:48:36] <BleedingBytes> that will work
  • [19:48:52] <yspanjers> Oke thanks.
  • [19:49:19] <Jazzdude> shabaz, that looks great and exactly like what I'll have to look into too. I'm afraid I can't help you with your problem, but thank you so much for sharing this!
  • [19:49:42] <BleedingBytes> first reasult on bing
  • [19:49:43] <BleedingBytes> http://images.wookmark.com/175333_headphones-white-animals-dogs-phones-1920x1080-wallpaper_wallpaperbeautiful_77.jpg
  • [19:49:44] <BleedingBytes> lol
  • [19:50:05] <yspanjers> lol
  • [19:50:22] <yspanjers> Thanks for your help
  • [19:50:22] <shabaz> ah, no problem at all! The more eyes look at it, the more chance we can figure it all out! 4000 page tech ref manual is a bit of an achievement by TI.. I've looked at 1% of it
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  • [19:52:35] <Jazzdude> shabaz, where do the troublesome GPIO pins sit on the header? Sorry if this is a naive question, I'm very new to this
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  • [19:54:15] <narcos> Anyone recommend a GSM cape for the Bone?
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  • [19:57:32] <shabaz> Hi Jazzdude, I've been using header P8 on the BBB, it has about 12 pins free for use, of which some are GPIO1, some are GPIO2 and some GPIO0. The GPIO1 works well for me currently. Just the others which I cannot seem to read at all.
  • [19:58:14] <Jazzdude> shabaz, does their use maybe interfere with onboard devices?
  • [19:58:39] <Jazzdude> maybe some driver has allocated them and prohibits you from reading it
  • [20:01:00] <shabaz> Possibly, but I tried to pick ones that looked like they were not used according to the schematic. For example, GPIO0_27 appears unused, so I thought I could use that. I could correctly set it to mode 0x2f (which means Mode 7 GPIO input) but reading the DATAIN register just shows zero for all GPIO0 pins. I suspect some driver as you say, or alternatively maybe GPIO0 and GPIO2 need to be 'enabled'
  • [20:01:00] <shabaz> somehow, but I've no idea how.
  • [20:03:52] <Jazzdude> I would be very interested in a solution too
  • [20:04:16] <Jazzdude> have you tried to use them as an output too?
  • [20:05:31] <shabaz> good point. yes for GPIO1 (and it worked), but not tried for GPIO0/2. I'll try that and give you an update.
  • [20:06:37] <mranostay> BEER!
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  • [20:06:49] <mranostay> KotH: not chocolate beer you can relax
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  • [20:07:22] <mranostay> hi florian
  • [20:08:08] <florian> re
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  • [20:20:24] <Defiant> What is the current kernel tree? Is it https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8?
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  • [20:25:10] <shabaz> Hi Jazzdude, seems I can't use GPIO0/2 as output either. I tried GPIO0_27. I set it in device tree to 0x07 (i.e. Mode 7 GPIO output), and then in the PRU-ICSS I cleared the GPIO_OE bit (which enables output), and then wrote to GPIO_SETDATAOUT but the voltage on the pin (header P8, pin 17) was at 0V.
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  • [20:29:10] <ka6sox> shabaz, you are reading r30 correct bits?
  • [20:30:41] <ka6sox> also these are th pins that are hooked up: http://elinux.org/Ti_AM33XX_PRUSSv2#Beaglebone_PRU_connections_and_modes
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  • [20:31:30] <shabaz> Hello, I was using GPIO mode (mode 7) instead of the PRU GPO/GPI mode (mode 5), because mode7 will still allow me to get to about 25MHz pin speed, and there are not enough pins in mode 5 (i.e. usable by R30/R31) on the headers. Header P8 only has a few for example. So I thought I'd use GPIO mode instead, because that gives me several GPIO0, GPIO1 and GPIO2 pins. The reading/writing of GPIO1
  • [20:31:31] <shabaz> works well from the PRU.
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  • [20:31:54] <ka6sox> okay so you are needing more pins...
  • [20:32:06] <ka6sox> I don't remember what is on the 0_2 pin normally
  • [20:32:37] <shabaz> The example pin I've been using so far is GPIO0_27, which is P8 pin 17
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  • [20:33:14] <shabaz> However when I read the DATAIN, the entire register is 0x00000000
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  • [20:33:49] <ka6sox> there is a Gotcha on that page related to GPIO0_27
  • [20:34:00] <ka6sox> the elinux.org page I pasted has the caveats
  • [20:34:01] <shabaz> oh.. let me check.
  • [20:34:43] <kfoltman> side note: NEON rocks.
  • [20:34:58] <ka6sox> sorry its 0_7 not 0_27
  • [20:35:05] <ka6sox> sorry...I got them confused.
  • [20:35:08] <shabaz> ah, np
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  • [20:35:30] <ka6sox> what is the Beagle Pin name for P8_17...let me look @ pinmux.tking.org
  • [20:35:59] <ka6sox> is this a BBB?
  • [20:36:04] <shabaz> Should be CONF_GPMC_AD11 if I've got it right
  • [20:36:16] <shabaz> (which is 0x2c in the pinmux)
  • [20:36:22] <ka6sox> its bbb name is spi0_cs0
  • [20:37:11] <ka6sox> whoops
  • [20:37:14] <ka6sox> wrong connector
  • [20:37:18] <ka6sox> okay I see what you mean
  • [20:37:30] <ka6sox> what mux settings are you using?
  • [20:37:51] <shabaz> I'm using <0x2c 0x2f>
  • [20:38:22] <ka6sox> do you have a pullup or pulldown?
  • [20:38:48] <shabaz> (0x2f should be mode 7, with no pullup/pulldown, I'm using a 2.2k resistor and manually connecting it to 0V or 3.3V)
  • [20:39:14] <ka6sox> 0x02C 0x27
  • [20:39:33] <ka6sox> 0x2C 0x07
  • [20:39:48] <ka6sox> dunno where you got F from
  • [20:39:50] <shabaz> right.. think 0x27 is Mode 7 input, with pulldown, and 0x07 is output
  • [20:40:07] <ka6sox> 0 is input
  • [20:40:12] <ka6sox> 27 is output
  • [20:41:10] <ka6sox> so I dunno where you got the f
  • [20:42:11] <ka6sox> so you have a pullup enabled and its set for output
  • [20:42:12] <shabaz> 0x2f should make the pin an input, according to this: #define IEN (1 << 5), i.e. 0x20 and #define OFF (1 << 3) which is 0x08 and the mode 7 being 0x07, so this all adds up to 0x2f
  • [20:42:37] <ka6sox> maybe I got my bits reversed..let me look at the code
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  • [20:47:40] <ka6sox> shabaz, I think you found a bug...let me do some checking and get back to you ;)
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  • [20:48:25] <shabaz> thank you ka6sox!
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  • [20:51:16] <ka6sox> ya, I see he got the receiver enabled/disabled backwards in the JS
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  • [20:51:34] <ka6sox> its very confusing...I had to read it 3X :0
  • [20:52:07] * mranostay blames javascript
  • [20:52:17] <mru> +1
  • [20:52:38] <ka6sox> mranostay, I blame lousy inconsistent register values :P
  • [20:52:57] <ka6sox> one way disables with a 0 and the other way disables with a 2
  • [20:52:59] <ka6sox> er 1
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  • [20:54:54] <ka6sox> shabaz, okay I have what you have now...thanks for finding this bug.
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  • [20:55:23] <shabaz> ah, np. so it's an issue with the pinmux software?
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  • [20:55:38] <ka6sox> I either told him wrong or he got it confused.
  • [20:56:31] <ka6sox> because this is confusing...I tried to make it better but apparently messed up :/
  • [20:56:50] <ka6sox> I found another error too that I have to fix on P9
  • [20:57:27] <ka6sox> P9_17 forgot a slot
  • [20:57:45] <ka6sox> (mode)
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  • [21:02:33] <Jazzdude> ka6sox, what is the easiest way to obtain updates and bugfixes like that as a user?
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  • [21:03:34] <Jazzdude> I haven't made myself too familiar with angstrom yet (only got my BBB today), but is there an update mechanism like with debian?
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  • [21:07:06] <shabaz> Hi Jazzdude, I think the process is to type opkg update and then opkg upgrade, but I've not done that yet
  • [21:08:14] <ka6sox> Jazzdude, this is a web app that we are writing
  • [21:08:26] <ka6sox> it still has a few bugs and we are fixing them.
  • [21:08:54] <ka6sox> shabaz, don't do that please...that does not work.
  • [21:09:09] <ka6sox> its currently broken.
  • [21:09:20] <shabaz> oh, ok
  • [21:09:20] <ka6sox> and will force you to reflash.
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  • [21:37:02] <ssi_> I've seen stuff suggesting that one of the spi ports is enabled in recent angstrom images... I just flashed the 5.20 image, and there's no /dev/spi* :(
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  • [21:37:31] <ssi> hm maybe the stuff I'm reading is bbw specific
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  • [21:45:57] <windexh8er> ka6sox: Interesting that using opkg will (temporarily) brick your BBB. There was a user in here earlier that had the same problem.
  • [21:46:15] <windexh8er> ka6sox: Seems odd whoever controls that repo that they'd leave it in a state like that.
  • [21:46:52] <windexh8er> ka6sox: Could be pretty frustrating for people just getting hardware and following instructions. :)
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  • [21:50:23] <mranostay> is it bad i don't recall all the addresses i've off the top of my head?
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  • [21:58:26] <ka6sox> windexh8er, the word I will say is "in a state of flux"
  • [21:58:40] <ka6sox> it takes a lot to maintain a distro.
  • [21:59:12] <ka6sox> update/upgrade is a Ubuntuism that is being brought in.
  • [21:59:29] <mranostay> heh
  • [21:59:32] <ka6sox> Ubuntu is a Binary Distribution...
  • [21:59:37] <mranostay> one does not simpley..
  • [21:59:57] <ka6sox> Angstrom is a Source Distribution (similar in many ways to Gentoo)
  • [22:00:02] <ka6sox> mranostay, +1
  • [22:00:21] <mru> flux capacitors?
  • [22:00:43] <ka6sox> mru, it takes 1.21 Jigawatts to keep it going.
  • [22:01:13] <ka6sox> ^Just to keep it going....
  • [22:01:35] * mranostay loves the "are you a fugitive from law" checkboxes on an app
  • [22:02:25] <ka6sox> I will say one thing for Javascript...errors show up quick and nasty.
  • [22:02:52] <ka6sox> go go firebug
  • [22:03:10] <mru> mranostay: us customs have an app now?
  • [22:03:37] <mru> ka6sox: and inexplicably
  • [22:04:13] <ka6sox> mru, no kidding
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  • [22:05:19] <mranostay> mru: a permit for a item to be carried around
  • [22:06:14] <ka6sox> mranostay, in plain sight or concealed?
  • [22:06:23] <mranostay> concealed
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  • [22:06:41] <ka6sox> uh oh
  • [22:07:17] <mranostay> who does open carry?
  • [22:07:19] <ka6sox> I've never been able to keep the M4 out of sight...
  • [22:07:26] <ka6sox> mranostay, they do in Arizona.
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  • [22:07:36] <mranostay> well yes but AZ is a weird state :)
  • [22:07:54] <mranostay> any state i've lived in.. police would be called
  • [22:08:19] <ka6sox> even Bama?
  • [22:08:30] <mranostay> probably in Mobile county
  • [22:08:35] <mru> open carry makes more sense to me
  • [22:08:38] <Sy_> I'm having a lot of problems with the BeagleBone Black, earlier today I updated the packages using opkg update and then after restarting it seemed to be bricked...I came into this chart earlier tonight and was advised to build an image on SD card then update, which I have done. I downloaded the Debian image, flashed to SD-Card, held in the boot button then connected USB, after a few initial flashes everything goes off and there are no l
  • [22:08:46] <Sy_> is there anyway back to a working board?
  • [22:08:49] <ka6sox> Sy_, reflash
  • [22:09:01] <ka6sox> get the flasher app and reflash it.
  • [22:09:05] <Sy_> How? I've tried this a few times
  • [22:09:25] <ka6sox> 1) plug it into REAL power..not USB
  • [22:09:34] <mranostay> heh
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  • [22:09:41] <Sy_> I got the flasher, I think....ImageFlasher Win32DiskImager
  • [22:09:42] <mranostay> get a wall wart already
  • [22:09:53] <Sy_> I don't have a PSU for it.
  • [22:09:58] <ka6sox> not what I'm talking about.
  • [22:10:09] <ka6sox> there is a flashing app for the onboard.
  • [22:10:33] <Sy_> Where do I get that? I followed the link from the BeagleBone pages.
  • [22:10:38] <ka6sox> you use the diskimager thing to create a sD card and the you plug it in.
  • [22:10:56] <Sy_> thats what I did
  • [22:11:13] <ka6sox> 1st thing, get a wall wart.
  • [22:11:20] <mru> onboard storage is a bad idea
  • [22:11:43] <ka6sox> mru +1
  • [22:11:47] <mru> we learned that with the classic 5 years ago
  • [22:12:00] <ka6sox> apparently not
  • [22:12:15] <mru> xm has none
  • [22:12:20] <Sy_> I have two of these boards and both are now bricks....all I did was follow the instructions shipped with it.
  • [22:12:47] <ka6sox> Sy_, I doubt they are bricks...
  • [22:13:09] <Sy_> Seems that way, no activity on either of them and I don't seem to be able to reflash them
  • [22:13:14] <ka6sox> you can create a Angstrom image on a SD and boot it so its not a Brick.
  • [22:13:21] <mru> get a few more and build a house
  • [22:13:37] <ka6sox> mru -1
  • [22:13:54] <Sy_> Shouldn't the debian image work?
  • [22:14:00] <ka6sox> Sy_, sunday afternoon isn't the greatest time...
  • [22:14:03] <ka6sox> Sy_, YMMV
  • [22:14:15] <Sy_> YMMV ?
  • [22:14:30] <Sy_> I'm in the UK
  • [22:14:52] <ka6sox> brilliant...so its almost midnight...
  • [22:15:04] <Sy_> Yep, just got back from a concert :)
  • [22:15:20] <Sy_> ELO tribute....left it flashing before I left, trying again now.
  • [22:15:32] <ka6sox> okay "Your Mileage May Vary"...its from us colonials.... Means...I dunno...
  • [22:15:48] <Sy_> bugger
  • [22:16:04] <alan_o> Sy_: can you make a new SD card with the default image?
  • [22:16:18] <Sy_> can try
  • [22:16:55] <alan_o> http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
  • [22:17:05] <alan_o> is that the latest still ^^^
  • [22:17:37] <Sy_> Wanted to try an alternative to Angstrom as thats how I ended up here in the first place, after an update to the Angstrom packages.
  • [22:17:40] <ka6sox> there is a later on koen's site
  • [22:18:00] <alan_o> *sigh* we need some "official" way to reset people back to stock.
  • [22:18:10] <ka6sox> the flasher is that way.
  • [22:18:24] <alan_o> What's the link on that?
  • [22:18:32] <alan_o> I'll put it on elinux..
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  • [22:19:06] <alan_o> new policy, when someone asks a basic question that it's embarrassing that we don't have a good answer for, I'm putting it on eLinux.
  • [22:20:55] <Sy_> Seems others have experienced the exact same problem I have...
  • [22:21:09] <Sy_> http://beagleboard.org/project/angstrom/
  • [22:21:26] <ka6sox> alan_o, http://beagleboard.org/latest-images
  • [22:21:29] <mru> what is the meaning of life?
  • [22:21:33] <risc> 42
  • [22:21:36] <ka6sox> the latest flasher image is 5_20
  • [22:22:16] <ka6sox> Sy_, what told you to do a opkg update; opkg upgrade?
  • [22:22:28] <ka6sox> I want to kill that doco that is causing this issue.
  • [22:23:36] <Sy_> I always update something when I get it, because most of the time, things are shipped with older software and usually one or more patches are available.
  • [22:23:55] <alan_o> So you'd rather have new bugs than old bugs
  • [22:24:10] <mranostay> crap it is alan_o
  • [22:24:30] <Sy_> possibily, but hope that not everyone writes software like Microsoft
  • [22:24:31] <ka6sox> Sy_, where did you learn those 2 commands?
  • [22:24:36] * alan_o takes a bow
  • [22:24:48] <Sy_> what 2 commands?
  • [22:24:58] <ka6sox> opkg update; opkg upgrade?
  • [22:24:59] <Sy_> opkg upgrade ?
  • [22:25:02] <ka6sox> yes
  • [22:25:27] <mranostay> one doesn't simply...
  • [22:25:55] <ka6sox> mranostay, yes, we know...but if we are going to get to the bottom of this mess one must find out the source of the error.
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  • [22:26:13] <Sy_> When I got the boards, I did a search on angstrom and tried to find out what was used to update it, I have used other versions of Linux, centos using yum, so I searched for the equiv. I also wanted to install mySQL as I need that....
  • [22:26:29] <Sy_> but it wouldn't run, which lead me to update other things.
  • [22:27:16] <ka6sox> okay I'm going to suggest that we add doco to the *official* site warning about doing what you did.
  • [22:28:05] <Sy_> ok, can see what your saying, but isn't it odd, to advise people that the hardware is ok, as long as you don't try to update the O/S ?
  • [22:28:25] <alan_o> I'm sure the hardware is still fine
  • [22:28:51] <Sy_> So far I haven't found a way back...I'm downloading the original image now.
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  • [22:29:03] <ka6sox> Source Based distributions sometimes have issues with "upgrading" from 1 version to another.
  • [22:29:26] <ka6sox> opkg upgrade is something that has caused issues before...
  • [22:29:37] <ka6sox> people assume this is like Ubuntu/fedora/etc...
  • [22:29:44] <ka6sox> its not quite the same.
  • [22:30:01] <alan_o> ka6sox: and in fairness they have no reason to believe otherwise.
  • [22:30:44] <Sy_> ok, the next problem, assuming I can get it to work again, is that mySQL doesn't seem to work with Angstrom, there was another user on here earlier who said it works with Debain, but I can't get the board to flash from the SD debian image.
  • [22:31:33] <alan_o> Sy_: that's not a reason to just go changing distros.
  • [22:31:34] <ka6sox> alan_o, I am not arguing this...I'd almost go in and send in a patch to make that option inert for now.
  • [22:32:18] <alan_o> ka6sox: I know. It's a problem. We need a bugtracker.
  • [22:32:33] <ka6sox> alan_o, yes, we do.
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  • [22:32:56] <mhaberler> can I unload a .dtbo from capemanager through as sysfs operation?
  • [22:32:56] <ka6sox> it doesn't help also that people want 47 different flavours of Distros to all work *now* on a 4 week old board.
  • [22:33:42] <alan_o> mhaberler: I'm glad you ask: http://elinux.org/BeagleBone#Device_Tree
  • [22:33:54] <Sy_> Sorry, don't buy that if the board isn't ready then it should be on release.
  • [22:34:09] <ka6sox> alan_o, thanks! I was going to do that if you didn't
  • [22:34:17] <ka6sox> we need to demystify DT
  • [22:34:23] <mranostay> how is the alan_o doing?
  • [22:34:51] <alan_o> mranostay: doing ok, been pretty busy... oh, I just remembered, you got a new job, congrats
  • [22:34:54] <alan_o> relocation?
  • [22:35:35] <alan_o> ka6sox: it's just a first pass. I'm sure it can be improved.
  • [22:36:07] <ka6sox> I'll pitch in where I can if thats okay...this is becoming a stumbling block.
  • [22:36:12] <mranostay> alan_o: yeah i'm in Portlandia now
  • [22:36:22] <mhaberler> alan_o: this refers me to http://elinux.org/Capemgr which shows how to compile and load a dts/.dtbo fragment; it has no hints as to unloading, which is what I was looking for
  • [22:36:49] <alan_o> oh.. unloading. hmm. I should read closer
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  • [22:38:41] <alan_o> ka6sox: what's "flasher" about the emmc-flasher image?
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  • [22:39:50] <Sy_> If I get it working on the Angstrom image again, should it then flash correctly to Debian ?
  • [22:40:11] <alan_o> Sy_: not sure what that means.
  • [22:41:10] <Sy_> I mean if I get the board functional again with the original image, can I then move onto Debian, which at the moment doesn't work
  • [22:41:38] <alan_o> you can try. Support may be limited.
  • [22:42:04] <mhaberler> from reading drivers/misc/cape/beaglebone/capemgr.c I infer a leading '-' before the cape name (dts basename) unloads the slot
  • [22:42:21] <Sy_> I have an application where I need to get mySQL working, if it doesn't work with Angstrom then I need to change O/S
  • [22:43:23] <alan_o> Sy_: you should stop using phrasing like "it doesn't work with Angstrom"
  • [22:43:34] <ka6sox> alan_o, +1
  • [22:43:42] <alan_o> Sy_: no doubt, mysql can be made to work on any reasonable distro
  • [22:44:25] <Sy_> Why? How would you Phrase it when something doesn't start without a lot of additional help by hand?
  • [22:44:33] <alan_o> Sy_: if it's not packaged, it may mean building from source.
  • [22:45:04] <Sy_> It is packaged, I installled it using opkg install mysql5
  • [22:45:18] <alan_o> ok, so what happened?
  • [22:45:38] <Sy_> It looked like it had installed, but after checking the service wouldn't start
  • [22:45:56] <Sy_> I then found a sight which looked like it would solve the problem, sadly it didn't
  • [22:46:05] <ka6sox> alan_o, we need to explain how the DTS compiler works and how to create a fragment that can be loaded via capemanager.
  • [22:46:33] <alan_o> ok, so "the service wouldn't start" should be replaced with something like, "when I tried to start the service, I got an error message that said XYZ" or " when I tried to start the service, it looked fine but ps ax said mysqld wasn't running"
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  • [22:47:41] <alan_o> try to be as descriptive as possible when reporting errors. Generalities like "doesn't work," or "thought I fixed the problem, but couldn't" don't enable anyone to help you with your problem.
  • [22:47:45] <Sy_> Sorry, I don't have a photographic memory, but I agree with what you are saying.
  • [22:48:05] <Sy_> I'm a software engineer so I agree completely.
  • [22:48:12] <mhaberler> echo -BB-BONE-PRU-01 >/sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots does cause a dmesg entry [35636.268412] bone-capemgr bone_capemgr.9: Removed slot #0
  • [22:48:15] <shabaz> Hi ka6sox, I've written a short guide on that here, if you wish to append to it, or provide any link
  • [22:48:19] <shabaz> http://www.element14.com/community/community/knode/single-board_computers/next-gen_beaglebone/blog/2013/05/22/bbb--working-with-the-pru-icssprussv2
  • [22:48:20] <Sy_> How long should the boot button be held in for when restarting the system?
  • [22:48:32] <alan_o> ok great, so right now you're trying to get back to a bootable system where you can try it again, and give a more descriptive error report. Fair enough.
  • [22:49:15] <alan_o> ka6sox: yeah, that part I don't actually know, because mine builds as part of the kernel (and I just haven't done the compiler on the bone yet, too lazy to update my image, etc).
  • [22:49:42] <mhaberler> shabaz: thanks, that looks very useful
  • [22:49:54] <shabaz> you're welcome
  • [22:50:25] <ka6sox> shabaz, I'd really love to have everything in 1 place...we have a page on elinux.org for the PRU and that article would be awesome on a page there.
  • [22:50:28] <Sy_> Still waiting for the original image download to complete...slow broadband here...have tried to flash debian whilst waiting, after a few flashes of the LED's everything goes black then nothing.
  • [22:51:14] <alan_o> shabaz: very thorough looking. good work. you should link that on elinux.org/BeagleBone.
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  • [22:53:29] <mhaberler> dmesg indicates the .dtbo unload happens, its looks like it doesnt afterall; it's not reflected in cat /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots output thereafter:
  • [22:53:59] <shabaz> great, hope it helps. I'll add a link at the top to elinux as soon as there is a page on this, to state the more recent info is on elinux. I'll add an overall link to elinux/BeagleBone now
  • [22:54:01] <mhaberler> and redoing it with ' echo BB-BONE-PRU-01 >/sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots' fails with a write error
  • [22:54:37] <ketas> ugh, those blue leds are horrible
  • [22:54:52] <alan_o> ketas: black sharpie
  • [22:55:07] <ketas> i wake up at night because i left one led blinking at 1hz in ANOTHER ROOM
  • [22:55:17] <m_billybob> oh jeze pull up your panties already
  • [22:55:17] <ka6sox> shabaz, if you don't have an account on elinux.org please ask for one.
  • [22:55:25] <mhaberler> anyway .dtbo unload remains a 'research issue' ;)
  • [22:55:26] <mrpackethead> make sure you troll lots bout blue leds
  • [22:55:32] <ka6sox> ketas, thats what they make sharpies.
  • [22:55:56] <ka6sox> bleh...you would never believe that engrish is my first language.
  • [22:56:10] <m_billybob> bad ejumication then ?
  • [22:56:11] <shabaz> great. will do. I think I applied, will check my e-mail
  • [22:56:19] <alan_o> blue leds: the bikeshed of the BeagleBone community :)
  • [22:56:19] <ketas> ka6sox: "sharpies for" :)
  • [22:56:43] <ka6sox> ketas, yes, I know...I just hit *send*
  • [22:56:45] <ketas> turned out it was so bright that wall was well lit and it also reflected back
  • [22:57:02] <ka6sox> alan_o, +1
  • [22:57:03] <ketas> any indicator that leaves shadows is bad :)
  • [22:57:03] <alan_o> mhaberler: if you can get on during the European workweek, panto can tell you for sure.
  • [22:57:28] <mhaberler> ah.. workweek, whatzat
  • [22:57:40] <kfoltman> can't blue leds be disabled by a few writes to GPIO anyway?
  • [22:57:48] <m_billybob> bbb stays plugged in running and blinking away all day / night in my bedroom
  • [22:57:51] <ketas> what about power
  • [22:57:59] <ka6sox> for some people thats 0dark30 till whenever you keyboard dive.
  • [22:58:02] <ketas> i thought about replacing them
  • [22:58:09] <alan_o> kfoltman: a few writes with the soldering iron?
  • [22:58:09] <mhaberler> are you referring to the fact that today is sunday?
  • [22:58:19] <mhaberler> aha
  • [22:58:33] <kfoltman> ketas: nothing a piece of duct tape can't fix ;)
  • [22:58:52] <ka6sox> mine are now orange
  • [22:58:59] <m_billybob> heh
  • [22:59:11] <ketas> can some of them replaced by rgb one? :/
  • [22:59:13] <alan_o> mru, mranostay: from teal to orange ^^^
  • [22:59:13] <ketas> in next rev
  • [22:59:15] <ka6sox> I am on a mission to stamp out Blue LEDs from my life.
  • [22:59:19] <ketas> and some with white
  • [22:59:39] <ka6sox> white ones are just blue in disguise...
  • [22:59:51] * alan_o gets out his colorwheel
  • [22:59:52] <kfoltman> bed awaits...
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  • [22:59:58] <ka6sox> nite kfoltman
  • [23:00:04] <ka6sox> p00f
  • [23:00:24] <Sy_> Writing BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.20.img to SD card now
  • [23:01:04] <Jazzdude> shabaz, do you know how fast you can toggle outputs if they're not in the PRU-GPO mode? Is it much slower than the 25MHz you mention?
  • [23:01:19] <ketas> ka6sox: i wonder if i can paint some phosphor on them? :P
  • [23:01:29] <ketas> provided i get some
  • [23:01:31] <ketas> hah
  • [23:02:03] <ka6sox> ha!
  • [23:02:15] <risc> ketas: how'd you go with FreeBD on the BBB? I still haven't sat down to get it going.
  • [23:02:15] <shabaz> in GPIO mode, I can toggle at 25MHz. In the PRU GPI/GPO mode, it can be full speed, i.e. 5nanosec instructions (200MHz), so realistically you can get 50MHz depending on how tight your assembler code is
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  • [23:02:37] <shabaz> I saw 50MHz on my scope, so confirmed
  • [23:02:57] <ketas> risc: like how to get it running there?
  • [23:03:12] <ka6sox> shabaz, the cape I'm working on is theoretically capable of 400mhz...if I decided to buy a 400mhz part.
  • [23:03:17] <risc> I've seen the guides on FreeBSD.org, I'm just wondering if you actually got around to getting it up and running?
  • [23:03:29] <ketas> risc: not yet
  • [23:03:36] <ketas> risc: waiting for microsd
  • [23:03:38] <risc> I've played a bit with Angstrom, and that's 1 nicely undocummented OS... man pages? info about package management?
  • [23:04:06] <ketas> risc: i ruined mine with opkg upgrade :P
  • [23:04:10] <tdill_> I've setup crosstool-ng for my BBB, and now I want to compile some software, how do I tell make to use the new crosstool binaries? Having trouble finding an answer hope someone in here knows.
  • [23:04:11] <Jazzdude> shabaz, ah, I misread then. I understood the 25MHz was the fast mode
  • [23:04:15] <shabaz> awesome. It's pretty spectacular that such high speed general I/O out of the chip is possible
  • [23:04:45] <risc> ketas: yeah? great!
  • [23:05:06] <ketas> risc: yes, but it can be restored easily :P
  • [23:05:08] <Jazzdude> this might really allow me to get rid of the FPGA preprocessing step
  • [23:05:30] <risc> ketas: yeah I've got a copy of the default image laying around for when I break stuff :)
  • [23:05:34] <ka6sox> shabaz, its theoretically possible to get 200Mb/sec out of a pru.
  • [23:07:07] <risc> ketas: I've gotta say Angstrom might the worst documented OS I've ever seen :) - It's a long way from what I'm used to with FreeBSD/OpenBSD
  • [23:07:54] <ketas> risc: gpio should already work under fbsd so i could play with hw too, instead of just looking how it boots
  • [23:07:55] <alan_o> risc: still?
  • [23:07:55] <shabaz> agree, I meant if people were writing a few other instructions in there, for say a state machine, then 50MHz or so is very easily possible. But you can shift out at full 200MHz too. So basically you can toggle at 5nanosec
  • [23:08:08] <ketas> risc: video output might be on the way too
  • [23:09:14] <risc> alan_o: simple stuff like how does the package management work? given what I'm seeing on this channel... it doesn't :)
  • [23:09:35] <m_billybob> im sure koen would love to have some help
  • [23:10:06] <ka6sox> risc, its a Source Based Distribution...
  • [23:10:11] <alan_o> risc: I mean you said it twice 5 minutes apart, as though you expected it to have changed in that amount of time...
  • [23:10:30] <risc> alan_o: I didn't say it at all, other people are telling you it doesn't work :P
  • [23:10:31] <ka6sox> so the theory is that you download the SDK, add your package, and then compile it.
  • [23:10:36] <alan_o> risc: further it's an embedded distro, man pages are a waste to install on the image if they're easily available online.
  • [23:10:52] <alan_o> risc: you complained about undocumented twice in 5 minutes.
  • [23:11:29] <risc> so?
  • [23:11:40] <risc> outside of you blindly defending the OS what's your point?
  • [23:11:59] <alan_o> my point is that it's annoying when people just show up and throw stones.
  • [23:12:00] <risc> I'd be happy to write and expand documentation if I could find any
  • [23:12:38] <m_billybob> no ones blindly defending anythign here i dotn think i see someomne blindly comcplaining abotu somethign when he could change to something else even bsd
  • [23:12:57] <m_billybob> or wait, are those steps not documented too ? lol
  • [23:13:06] <mhaberler> the limiting factor on PRU GPIO wiggling isnt the PRU, its the interconnect fabric, so the clock rate is meaningless
  • [23:13:15] <alan_o> risc: we'd be happy for that! People tell me that elinux.org/BeagleBone is the place to put it
  • [23:13:54] <SpeedEvil> Someones been playing with that on the Pi
  • [23:14:09] <SpeedEvil> doing GPIO/DMA
  • [23:14:32] <SpeedEvil> Directly driving displays
  • [23:14:45] <prpplague> alan_o: pisst
  • [23:14:52] <prpplague> alan_o: see /msg
  • [23:15:05] <m_billybob> SpeedEvil, what ? DMA for 6 whole pins ?
  • [23:15:08] * mranostay wiretaps prpplague
  • [23:15:11] <mhaberler> there's one guy on the linuxcnc forum doing a stepgen on the pi with DMA, but its a somewhat limited scheme and output only
  • [23:15:13] <SpeedEvil> ?
  • [23:15:18] <SpeedEvil> m_billybob: no - parallel
  • [23:15:24] <ketas> pruplague
  • [23:15:32] <SpeedEvil> Graphics ones.
  • [23:15:51] <m_billybob> SpeedEvil, just my cheapshot way of saying the rpi doesnt have many gpio
  • [23:15:59] <m_billybob> ah
  • [23:16:40] <shabaz> In the PRU GPI/GPO mode (mode 5), the bit toggling occurs within one instruction time, i.e. 5nsec, but yes, in the GPIO mode (mode 7) it is slower
  • [23:16:41] <m_billybob> err well ,my bad i meant exposed
  • [23:16:47] <SpeedEvil> 800*600*18hz or so
  • [23:25:02] <m_billybob> SpeedEvil, dont know where this conversation sharted but somene did that with a PRU too. Well supposedly the guy was "featured" on HAD, but apon visiting his site the project page was empty, and the video showing what he did was . . . not very clear abotu what he actually did
  • [23:25:11] <m_billybob> started*
  • [23:25:26] <SpeedEvil> hmm
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  • [23:38:48] <Sy_> Not going at all my way....now have a mikro SD card I can no longer read and two beaglebone blacks that are non-responsive
  • [23:40:29] <Moult> Sy_: ouch :(
  • [23:41:08] <Sy_> Not impressed to say the least, I could understand it if I had done something that I shouldn't have, but I haven't, all I've done is try to use it
  • [23:41:17] <ka6sox> Sy_, the reflashing process take hours for some reason.
  • [23:41:50] <Sy_> I haven't got that far...SD card is no longer recognised by reader
  • [23:42:10] <ka6sox> oh,
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  • [23:46:00] <Sy_> odd, can read the mikro SD on macbook pro, but not in windows 7 system
  • [23:48:12] <shabaz> As I understand, the boot button doesn't need to be pressed for very long. 5 seconds after you've plugged in the 5V power source is fine. If you have a serial cable connected, you will see that it has begun booting of the microSD. The lights all flash away, and after almost exactly 45 minutes, all lights are lit. At that point, you can disconnect the power and unplug the microSD. I did this
  • [23:48:12] <shabaz> twice and it worked. I used the in-built SD card reader in the laptop.
  • [23:48:19] <Sy_> I give up, had enough tonight, will try again tomorrow, failing that its all going back into the boxes and back to Farnell
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  • [23:49:07] <shabaz> I didn't leave it connected after the 45 minutes (just in case). After all LEDs were lit, I disconnected power pretty much within 5 minutes of that.
  • [23:50:36] <shabaz> If I plug in the microSD into my laptop, I see 4 files on it (ID.txt, MLO, u-boot.img and uEnv.txt)
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  • [23:55:10] <shabaz> (my laptop is windows 7)
  • [23:55:23] <mhaberler> ok, to unload a .dtbo, you echo the _slot number_ into slots, so echo -6 /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9 deletes slot 6 (thanks to Brian on the elements14 site)
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  • [23:55:47] <shabaz> ah, awesome. I was wondering how to remove a slot too. Thanks!
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