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  • [00:10:56] <mrpackethead> ok, i'm bad
  • [00:10:59] <mrpackethead> back.
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  • [00:14:44] <evilwulfie> russ 10 bux for the whole order plus shipping
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  • [00:15:07] <evilwulfie> did you look at the web page for them bcb's?
  • [00:15:11] <evilwulfie> pcb's
  • [00:17:09] <ka6sox> mrpackethead, you were right the first time :0
  • [00:17:25] <mrpackethead> i was right about what?
  • [00:17:35] <mru> maybe he just meant he has a bad back
  • [00:17:37] <mrpackethead> that will be the first time in 200 years.
  • [00:17:39] <Russ> evilwulfie, $10 for 10 boards?
  • [00:19:32] <mrpackethead> ka6sox: what was a right about
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  • [00:20:01] <ka6sox> you were bad :)
  • [00:20:02] <Russ> hmm..its actually $10 for 5
  • [00:20:11] <mrpackethead> oh.
  • [00:20:18] <ka6sox> j/k
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  • [00:22:10] <Spirilis> fwiw, Seeed isn't too bad, had good luck with them but I haven't done anything too fine/crazy. did have a board pretty packed with vias at points (2L) but I maintained conservative clearances in my DRC
  • [00:22:15] <Russ> too bad about the specs though
  • [00:22:28] <Spirilis> elecrow is similar to Seeed but definitely off on quality, the drill holes always seem to be consistently shifted a slight bit
  • [00:22:55] <mrpackethead> i use custompcb / silvercircuits in Malaysia
  • [00:23:03] <mrpackethead> they have consistently done a good job for us
  • [00:23:13] <mrpackethead> not the cheapest
  • [00:23:20] <mrpackethead> but their work is solid
  • [00:23:26] <Spirilis> got a rough price/board size idea?
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  • [00:24:34] <Spirilis> ah they got an easy quote thing on there, not too bad
  • [00:24:46] <Spirilis> minimum 100sqin run needed
  • [00:24:49] <mrpackethead> www.custompcb.com
  • [00:25:08] <mrpackethead> they ahve saved me a few times
  • [00:25:14] <mrpackethead> they actualy check gerbers properly
  • [00:25:20] <mrpackethead> and if yuo ahve done some thign odd / stupid
  • [00:25:23] <mrpackethead> they ofetn pick it up
  • [00:25:34] <Spirilis> nice
  • [00:25:57] <Spirilis> do they panelize for you like the other services or do you need to send them a big panel?
  • [00:26:08] <mrpackethead> they will panelise
  • [00:26:17] <Spirilis> cool
  • [00:26:23] <mrpackethead> oh, you mean, run multiple boards
  • [00:26:24] <mrpackethead> ?
  • [00:26:28] <mrpackethead> differnet designs?
  • [00:26:33] <Spirilis> oh, nah
  • [00:26:36] <Spirilis> just single design
  • [00:26:39] <mrpackethead> yup.
  • [00:26:52] <Spirilis> I see they can do panelizing of very small boards, guess that means doing the v-scoring et al inside your design
  • [00:26:55] <Spirilis> for a fee
  • [00:26:56] <mrpackethead> though, i send them panelised gerbers
  • [00:27:18] <mrpackethead> becuase i want control of the design end to end.
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  • [00:27:28] <Spirilis> I haven't yet had a good reason to deviate from oshpark & seeed/elecrow but good to know other suppliers when I do :)
  • [00:27:48] <mrpackethead> means, i can create stencils
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  • [00:27:48] <Russ> does custompcb have better specs than what are listed on the front page?
  • [00:27:51] <Russ> 7mil?
  • [00:27:57] <mrpackethead> yup, i've done 5/5
  • [00:28:01] <ka6sox> mranostay, ping?
  • [00:28:11] <stepawayfromtheg> Evening
  • [00:28:16] <Russ> how can you tell how much that would cost?
  • [00:28:30] <ka6sox> stepawayfromtheg, for some ;)
  • [00:28:45] <mrpackethead> send them an email with your gerbers
  • [00:28:50] <mrpackethead> they'll come back pretty quickly.
  • [00:28:57] <mrpackethead> sales@custompcb
  • [00:29:01] <stepawayfromtheg> Hey ka6sox, i know you from linkstation
  • [00:29:05] <mrpackethead> i dpont' use the web ui thing
  • [00:29:07] <Russ> hmm...so no information on the webpage on how much custom spec would cost
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  • [00:29:29] <kuroguy> Loooong time ago
  • [00:29:30] <mrpackethead> and the times i have used it
  • [00:29:38] <mrpackethead> for just getting a indication
  • [00:29:48] <mrpackethead> iv'e alwyas had better pricing when i get them to quote it
  • [00:29:50] <mrpackethead> by email
  • [00:29:56] <mrpackethead> hang on i'll ask gary
  • [00:29:59] <mrpackethead> hes on skype
  • [00:30:10] <evilwulfie> russ yes
  • [00:30:19] <evilwulfie> 5cmx5cm 10 for 10 bux
  • [00:30:26] <evilwulfie> real good boards too
  • [00:30:34] <Russ> It shows 5 for $10, getting 10 is extra
  • [00:30:50] <evilwulfie> that is for the 5x10cm
  • [00:30:53] <Russ> er, no it just weighs more
  • [00:31:13] <evilwulfie> well i have used them for a lot of boards and they are always good
  • [00:31:26] <ka6sox> mranostay, do you concur that P9_41 is PRU0 r3{0,1}[6]?
  • [00:31:30] <Spirilis> Russ: yeah just weights more
  • [00:31:33] <Spirilis> weighs*
  • [00:31:36] <ka6sox> hiya kuroguy!
  • [00:31:44] <kuroguy> I'll just jump in.... anybody point me in the direction for getting iis out of the bbb?
  • [00:31:46] <Spirilis> those services like seeed and elecrow have always maintained a $10 for 10 price point
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  • [00:32:00] <ka6sox> you mean i2s?
  • [00:32:02] <agmlego> kuroguy: IIS, like the MS server?
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  • [00:32:09] <Spirilis> the "5" option is very new, probably for those who want to pinch a couple pennies and don't want too many junk prototypes hanging around
  • [00:32:10] <kuroguy> Yup,i2s
  • [00:32:23] <ka6sox> if its not there now wait a week and it will be ther :)
  • [00:32:26] <agmlego> kuroguy: That is not going to work, unless you get Windows RT, and even then...dubioius.
  • [00:32:30] <ka6sox> its in the next release.
  • [00:32:32] <agmlego> Oh.
  • [00:32:35] <Spirilis> I have some junk boards like that hanging around lol
  • [00:32:40] <kuroguy> Inter integrated chip sound
  • [00:32:49] <mrpackethead> if you want cheap and cheerful, GoldenPhoenixPCB is not too bad
  • [00:32:56] <mrpackethead> but not nearly as agood as CustomPCB
  • [00:33:06] <ka6sox> kuroguy, it should be coming out the microHDMI connector.
  • [00:33:11] <mrpackethead> I always get my manufactured boards E tested as well
  • [00:33:24] <mrpackethead> so, they are known to be free from defect before they leave
  • [00:33:39] <mrpackethead> its a cool machine, has all these flying probes
  • [00:33:41] <kuroguy> Hdmi requires decoding to get audio, i believe.
  • [00:34:19] <mrpackethead> my ofice admin lady has just bought my Dog a staff ID card
  • [00:34:21] <mrpackethead> :-)
  • [00:34:40] <Spirilis> nice goldenphoenix has a lot of options
  • [00:34:50] <kuroguy> I hear it is available on McASP on the headers but i'm not sure how to access it in linux
  • [00:34:54] <mrpackethead> yeah, but they will make *exactly* what you send them, mistakes and all
  • [00:35:34] <mrpackethead> its gold phoenix as well
  • [00:35:36] <mrpackethead> not golden
  • [00:36:04] <Spirilis> ah yes
  • [00:36:24] <Spirilis> probably good for a production run
  • [00:36:53] <ka6sox> mranostay, I need to put your gist on elinux.org...as it is the *only* i/o docs for the PRUs
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  • [00:39:27] <ka6sox> kuroguy, do you have a BBB?
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  • [00:39:39] <kuroguy> Ordered it today
  • [00:39:44] <ka6sox> if so audio is on axr2
  • [00:40:03] <ka6sox> actually they name it something different
  • [00:40:09] <ka6sox> (just to make it confusing)
  • [00:40:32] <kuroguy> What kind of audio? Digital?
  • [00:40:46] <ka6sox> yes
  • [00:40:52] <ka6sox> its all i2s with that.
  • [00:41:07] <ka6sox> there is a "cape" that has it broken out
  • [00:41:09] <kuroguy> Cool, that'll feed to my DAC.
  • [00:41:32] <ka6sox> iirc you need the DVI+audio cape information
  • [00:41:44] <ka6sox> that tells you which pins are audio
  • [00:42:08] <kuroguy> Does it require a cape or can i just connect to the headers?
  • [00:42:20] <ka6sox> thats a good question...
  • [00:42:28] <ka6sox> probably doesn't need a cape...
  • [00:42:49] <ka6sox> but hopefully shortly it will be on the HDMI connector :)
  • [00:43:27] <kuroguy> Problem with hdmi is the data requires extra hardware to extract audio in any form
  • [00:43:34] <ka6sox> if your audio DAC isn't part of a cape then the default config will send i2s out the pin.
  • [00:43:38] <ka6sox> pins
  • [00:43:44] <kuroguy> Perfect
  • [00:44:13] <ka6sox> the best doco is that cape I just said...can't look now as I'm in a meeting.
  • [00:44:32] <kuroguy> It's less expensive to scratch build a dac than purchase a cape
  • [00:44:51] <kuroguy> I'll look it up. Thanks for the pointer
  • [00:44:53] <ds2> you probally going to need to hack the sw or fake it with a EEPROM
  • [00:45:02] <ka6sox> ds2, nope
  • [00:45:06] <ka6sox> the bbb will just send it out
  • [00:45:17] <ka6sox> its a "virtual cape" for onboard
  • [00:45:24] <ka6sox> and if nothing is on capebus it defaults there.
  • [00:45:50] <ka6sox> so HDMI video and Audio
  • [00:46:34] <ka6sox> utilizes the NXP DRM driver.
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  • [00:46:55] <takisjaja> ense??en las tetas
  • [00:47:12] <kuroguy> No habla espanol
  • [00:47:52] <kuroguy> Well, just a bit
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  • [00:48:30] <ds2> ka6sox: BBB or BBW?
  • [00:48:47] <ka6sox> BBB treats it like a "virtual cape"
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  • [00:48:59] <ds2> yes, no arguement there
  • [00:49:09] <ds2> ah.. miss the BBB part
  • [00:49:19] <ds2> too many B's floating around
  • [00:49:34] <ka6sox> and DT sets the proper pins for i2s
  • [00:49:42] <kuroguy> I figured for $45 i couldn't go wrong
  • [00:49:48] <ka6sox> kuroguy, :)
  • [00:49:52] <desktopp> bblack question ...can it play youtube with audio in 720p without dropping frames using the min hdmi
  • [00:50:39] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> my laptop can't even do that :(
  • [00:50:55] <desktopp> same here...thats why i wanted to know haha
  • [00:51:01] <Spirilis> desktopp: not too sure about the answer to that but from what everyone says this thing doesn't have a HW codec on the gpu, so probably not
  • [00:51:12] <desktopp> thanks
  • [00:51:14] <Spirilis> and in its current firmware state the audio on hdmi doesn't work
  • [00:51:22] <Spirilis> but that's getting fixed soon
  • [00:51:41] <desktopp> yeah saw something about that ...and saw a youtube vid so wasnt sure the answer
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  • [00:51:49] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> does fixed mean licensed?
  • [00:51:58] <ka6sox> PRU_EVTOUT_2, what do you mean?
  • [00:52:00] <Spirilis> though I haven't done jack with my HDMI besides prove it works, maybe I'll experiment with that in a bit...
  • [00:52:28] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> most codecs are licenced
  • [00:52:53] <ka6sox> that is NOT what we are talking about
  • [00:53:08] <ka6sox> we are talking about audio stuffa. :)
  • [00:53:15] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> maybe you are.
  • [00:53:28] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> :P
  • [00:53:44] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i don't have to be talking to anyone.
  • [00:53:44] <ka6sox> I'll leave that one out then.
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  • [00:56:14] <ka6sox> quite
  • [00:58:46] <kuroguy> Heh, downloaded the hardware reference. Should've done that first.
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  • [01:01:46] <kuroguy> Pins 17, 18, 19, 20 on P9 is i2s.
  • [01:01:48] <ka6sox> kuroguy, thats okay...realize that is A4 and you will have an a5a board.
  • [01:01:59] <ka6sox> so pull up the diffs first
  • [01:02:13] <kuroguy> Downloaded the one under the a5 link.
  • [01:02:14] <ka6sox> (I doubt that changed)
  • [01:02:21] <ka6sox> ah, good
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  • [01:02:44] * ka6sox goes back to designing...
  • [01:02:58] <kuroguy> Rev. A5.3
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  • [01:03:44] <ka6sox> kewl
  • [01:03:52] <ka6sox> then you are good to go!
  • [01:04:49] <ka6sox> if you want to build your own kernel its possible to do so from the patches @ https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel
  • [01:04:54] <ka6sox> be sure to use the 3.8 branch
  • [01:05:31] <ka6sox> and that possibly has the HDMI audio patchs in it.
  • [01:06:00] * ka6sox looks
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  • [01:07:48] <ka6sox> kuroguy, darren's patch is there and it should work with that
  • [01:07:55] <ka6sox> 3.8.11
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  • [01:08:21] <kuroguy> Cool. His is gonna replace my kuro box
  • [01:09:19] <ka6sox> its probably tired.
  • [01:09:47] <ka6sox> kuroguy, I still have a SLUG in service...as a DNS server...for 7yrs :)
  • [01:10:03] <ds2> Mmmmmmm SLUGs
  • [01:10:08] <kuroguy> That thing won't die. Been running for like 8 years
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  • [01:11:58] <ds2> ka6sox: does your slug have the console brought out?
  • [01:12:01] <kuroguy> 3 of them
  • [01:12:18] <mrpackethead> russ, gary says he can do 6/6 on 1oz
  • [01:12:46] <ka6sox> ds2, of course!
  • [01:12:52] <ds2> even 6mil vias with 6mil annular rings?
  • [01:12:57] <ka6sox> I have 2 more serving OWW
  • [01:13:04] <ka6sox> :)
  • [01:13:11] <ds2> ka6sox: are they the new ones with the clock doubling fixed?
  • [01:13:16] <mru> ka6sox: 7 years isn't that much
  • [01:13:23] <mru> I have several machines older than that
  • [01:13:36] <kuroguy> It is if you live in tampa
  • [01:13:38] <ka6sox> mru, I have a Via Eden that is going on 11yrs
  • [01:14:01] <ds2> ka6sox: is that the $5 tigerdirect board?
  • [01:14:08] <ka6sox> its a kiosk in monterey
  • [01:14:24] <ka6sox> its an X86 clone made by Via
  • [01:14:34] <ka6sox> aka Cyrix
  • [01:14:45] <ds2> i know what it is...around that time frame, tigerdirect sold one of those MB's for $5
  • [01:14:50] <ds2> including CPU soldered on
  • [01:14:52] <mru> I have a dec alpha from ~1997
  • [01:15:10] <mru> still works flawlessly
  • [01:15:33] * ka6sox fires up his Apple ][ :)...this does too but its hard to find 5.25" floppies...
  • [01:16:22] * kuroguy fires up he trs-80 model 1
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  • [01:16:38] <mru> summer of 2002 I worked in a place where a test rig was controlled by an ancient pc/xt clone
  • [01:16:48] <kuroguy> Still have casette tapes
  • [01:16:51] <mru> the program was stored on a 5.25" floppy
  • [01:16:52] <ka6sox> kuroguy, I found a model 100 in my stuff the other day...put new batteries and it *still* works.
  • [01:17:02] <mru> written in some kind of basic
  • [01:17:09] <ka6sox> mmmm....basic
  • [01:17:17] <mru> the test was over when it hit a read error on the floppy
  • [01:17:17] <ds2> can you still reliably read the 5.25" floppies?
  • [01:17:34] <mru> ds2: I think I just answered that
  • [01:17:48] * kuroguy just built a stoplight controller for my son that was programmed in BASIC
  • [01:17:51] <ka6sox> ds2, yes, but I need a way to put the data on a SD or CF.
  • [01:17:55] <mru> there was talk about the setup being replaced Real Soon Now (tm)
  • [01:18:05] <ka6sox> ewww.
  • [01:18:10] <ds2> mru: that doesn't mean it is still reliable
  • [01:18:18] <ka6sox> one of the Neve consoles we had used 8" floppies
  • [01:18:20] <mru> ds2: quite the opposite
  • [01:18:25] <ka6sox> for the automation...
  • [01:18:56] <mru> it "worked" for the 10 weeks or so I was there though
  • [01:21:58] <ka6sox> for various values of "worked"?
  • [01:26:22] <mru> I don't know if it was supposed to do anything useful when it errored out
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  • [01:26:27] <mru> nobody seemed to care
  • [01:27:05] <mru> all it did was put some photo flashes through a few thousand cycles to see if they burned up
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  • [01:35:40] <bmercer> just got my beaglebone black
  • [01:35:56] <bmercer> no serial over usb this time which is a blessing and a curse :)
  • [01:36:29] <jkridner|work> bmercer: exactly.
  • [01:36:48] <jkridner|work> it is cheaper and lower power.
  • [01:36:50] <mru> everybody has a usb-rs232 converter and some level shifters lying around
  • [01:36:57] <jkridner|work> er, less expensive. :-)
  • [01:37:14] <bmercer> just need a soldering iron
  • [01:37:51] <mru> I have a few level shifters neatly mounted on pcbs with a dsub connector
  • [01:38:10] <bmercer> I've got an openbsd port that I am teseting
  • [01:38:17] <ds2> and it actually lets you troubleshoot power problems
  • [01:38:17] <ka6sox> jkridner|work, we have to BUY the spec for JTAG unless you want us to use unofficial sources.
  • [01:38:24] <bmercer> and I couldn't be bothered to go find my micro hdmi cable
  • [01:38:30] <ds2> but who cares...just RMA the sucker if there are power problems, right? :D
  • [01:38:58] <ds2> ka6sox: thought education people cna get the IEEE specs for free?
  • [01:39:07] <ka6sox> yes
  • [01:39:09] <ka6sox> they can
  • [01:39:39] <ka6sox> if jkridner's client was in -gsoc he would have seen the answers to his questions :)
  • [01:39:42] <mru> I'm sure they're on some chinese or russian website
  • [01:39:53] <ds2> hahahaha
  • [01:40:08] <ds2> but if saw them, then probally the BBB wouldn't have gotten launched ;)
  • [01:40:11] <mru> right next to spruh73c
  • [01:40:40] <ds2> personally I much rather SWD and SWV implemented then JTAG
  • [01:40:44] <ds2> JTAG is so yesterday
  • [01:40:56] <ds2> hack the parallel port wiggler code and remap them to GPIO
  • [01:40:58] <ka6sox> ds2, walk before we run :P
  • [01:41:14] <ds2> what's the challenge?
  • [01:42:20] <ka6sox> its a POC
  • [01:42:33] <ka6sox> after that then we can talk aobut SWV and SWD and SBW
  • [01:42:46] <ds2> much rather see a POC for SWD
  • [01:43:11] <ds2> there are very few unlocked SWD debuggers available
  • [01:43:32] <ds2> and openocd has some level of support for SWD
  • [01:43:47] <ka6sox> this isn't about fixing openOCD :)
  • [01:44:01] <ds2> never suggested fixing openocd
  • [01:44:04] <ka6sox> its about pushing performance envelopes :)
  • [01:44:17] <ds2> what's that about walk before run? :P
  • [01:45:56] <ka6sox> hehe
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  • [02:09:48] <alan_o> mranostay: there's sports on?
  • [02:09:52] * alan_o checks the channels.....
  • [02:10:38] <mranostay> heh sort is incorrect on values in Melange
  • [02:11:45] <mranostay> bradfa: you sure your picture taking skills are up to par to be a metnor?
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  • [02:21:41] <ds2> this is feeling like hearing debates at election time
  • [02:21:41] <shapr> Are the bonescript pin numbers given as silkscreen numbers somewhere?
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  • [02:23:40] <mranostay> er?
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  • [02:24:36] <mranostay> emeb_mac: FPGA!
  • [02:25:08] <emeb_mac> mranostay: meh pee gee ay!
  • [02:26:06] <ka6sox> wierd
  • [02:26:11] <ka6sox> just wierd
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  • [02:31:28] <mranostay> ka6sox: so how many projects does each group get?
  • [02:31:29] <mranostay> one?
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  • [02:32:25] <ka6sox> mranostay, you ask for the number of slots that you have students *and* mentors for that everyone agrees are good ones.
  • [02:32:35] <ka6sox> if you have 2 mentors and 1 student then its 1 slot
  • [02:32:42] <ka6sox> and it goes from there.
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  • [02:33:18] <ka6sox> if you have 20 students and 20 mentors but only 2 good projects then its 2 projects
  • [02:33:32] <ds2> but it can be fewer then that
  • [02:33:33] <mranostay> seems open for abuse or total cluster@#$#@ :)
  • [02:33:45] <ds2> horse trade happens at the de-dup mtg
  • [02:33:51] <ka6sox> ya
  • [02:34:13] <ka6sox> the issue is when students "forum shop" to get the max results and it skews things
  • [02:34:24] <ds2> it is also possible a student has multiple apps out
  • [02:34:25] <ka6sox> hence the de-dup meetings
  • [02:34:31] <shapr> GSoC can be abused, but it's in the interest of the community to NOT abuse it, since failed slots or crappy results lead to fewer slots the next time around
  • [02:34:46] <ka6sox> agreed
  • [02:35:00] <ka6sox> thats why its better to have 2 *good* projects than 10 lousy ones.
  • [02:35:02] <shapr> I've been a mentor for haskell.org five or six times, and a student once last year :-)
  • [02:35:02] <ds2> it has been abused
  • [02:35:08] <ds2> cheating and other issues
  • [02:35:18] <shapr> Yah, but google isn't stupid
  • [02:35:45] <ka6sox> I'd rather get knocked out for having a marginal project for one that everyone agrees is a good one.
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  • [02:36:28] <ka6sox> just because we have 19-20 whatever submissions doesn't mean we will end up with 19 that pass muster.
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  • [02:36:58] <ka6sox> some are just thrown in and there is NO contact in IRC or anywhere else from the student.
  • [02:37:13] <shapr> I hate those.
  • [02:37:35] <MH> Hey this is my first time on the IRC, are there any suggestions as to how I should go about asking for help?
  • [02:37:43] <shapr> I prefer to pick motivated qualified students who are not yet tightly connected to the community, and then get them to have lots of contact via checkins
  • [02:37:48] <ka6sox> don't ask to ask...just ASK :)
  • [02:37:58] <shapr> MH: Generally, ask your question, and don't paste a bunch of lines of source or errors or anything.
  • [02:38:36] <ka6sox> there are a few that are good proposals...but no contact or very limited
  • [02:38:45] <shapr> GSoC needs both
  • [02:39:16] <shapr> MH: Hi! Did you just purchase a BeagleBone Black?
  • [02:39:18] <ka6sox> I've seen some of the students show up here but not say a word.
  • [02:39:25] <shapr> ka6sox: Shy? or what?
  • [02:39:35] <ka6sox> dunno...we don't bite (much)
  • [02:39:38] <ds2> and at least one student with contact but no app
  • [02:39:54] <ka6sox> right
  • [02:39:55] <MH> Haha, well okay. I've used the original BB with ubuntu 12.04 and it was great. I am having a really hard time getting my BB Black setup with ubuntu. When I put in the micro SD with ubuntu 12.04 that I get from http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu it does not boot for me.
  • [02:40:28] <ka6sox> have you pressed the little button?
  • [02:40:29] <ds2> original BB and micro SD? you using an adapter?
  • [02:40:52] <ds2> Ohhh n/m on hte BBB
  • [02:40:56] <shapr> Hm, I want to try that myself, since the BBB setup is frustrating me.
  • [02:40:58] <ka6sox> MH, on your BBB have you pushed the little button?
  • [02:40:59] <kuroguy> I can vouch for ka6sox. He's been somewhat useful for years.
  • [02:41:22] <ka6sox> I like "somewhat" :)
  • [02:41:25] <MH> I push the little button when I apply power, the getting started page says I may have to wait 30 minutes is that right?!
  • [02:41:33] <shapr> Is it resizing the partition?
  • [02:41:39] * shapr decides to try
  • [02:41:41] <ka6sox> whoa...
  • [02:42:08] <ka6sox> okay well...I blew away the eMMC so thats probably where I would start if you are having boot issues.
  • [02:42:32] <ka6sox> (especially if I wanted to use the SD
  • [02:42:34] <ka6sox> )
  • [02:42:53] <ka6sox> (its not my answer...Gerald said it)
  • [02:42:58] <shapr> If I use an image on an SD card, will it ignore the eMMC so I have a 'backup' install?
  • [02:43:01] <ds2> MH: images there will not work on the Bone
  • [02:43:17] <kuroguy> Well, i've only known him since somewhere around 2004
  • [02:44:08] <MH> Thank you ds2! so where do I get images for my beaglebone?
  • [02:44:35] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> in c, i have two unsigned long variables with the same value. subtracting them is giving me 1. wtf.
  • [02:44:36] <ds2> MH: not sure. I am not an ubuntu person. the kernels for the bone and the classic/xMs are different
  • [02:44:52] <ds2> xM/classic can share a kernel
  • [02:45:11] <shapr> looks like http://beagleboard.org/project/ubuntu/
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  • [02:45:31] <shapr> which leads to http://www.armhf.com/index.php/boards/beaglebone-black/
  • [02:45:35] <shapr> oh, bye mh!
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  • [02:45:37] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> oh...it's not a 1, it's an L for long.
  • [02:45:39] <shapr> oh hai MH!
  • [02:46:03] <shapr> MH: http://beagleboard.org/Products/BeagleBone%20Black leads to http://beagleboard.org/project/ubuntu/ which leads to http://www.armhf.com/index.php/boards/beaglebone-black/
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  • [02:46:18] <MH> But wait http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu has specif images for the bone. This is how I put ubuntu 12.004 on my white eagle bone rev A5
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  • [02:47:28] <ds2> BBB kernels are supersets of BBW kernels, IIRC
  • [02:47:57] <bradfa_> and subset of BBQ kernels
  • [02:48:03] * bradfa_ runs
  • [02:48:21] <ds2> hehe
  • [02:48:26] <ka6sox> bradfa+ you can't
  • [02:48:35] <ka6sox> you can run but you can't hide
  • [02:49:03] <ds2> don't worry, the smoke will slow ka6sox down
  • [02:49:37] <MH> okay so /index.php/boards/beaglebone-black/ has the image for ubuntu 12.10. Yet 12.10 isn't an Ubuntu LTS and I would like to avoid it. Does anyone know where I can get ubuntu 12.04 image that is ready for the BBB
  • [02:50:02] <MH> [http://www.armhf.com/index.php/boards/beaglebone-black/]**
  • [02:51:38] <MH> another question. What OS does everyone prefer for BeagleBone Black?
  • [02:52:18] <bradfa_> Linux
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  • [02:52:37] <MH> haha sorry what distro? yes linux good choice
  • [02:53:41] <MH> Did I scare everyone away? It got quiet...
  • [02:54:38] <bradfa_> MH it's quite late most places
  • [02:54:39] <shapr> I prefer Debian on my desktop, laptop, VPS and Raspberry Pi. I haven't yet tried it on my BBB
  • [02:55:18] <bradfa_> decent choices would be angstrom or debian/ubuntu (from rcn's netinstall)
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  • [02:58:55] <shapr> MH: What distro do you usually use?
  • [02:59:58] <MH> Ah easterners got it. Okay I like debian and ubuntu quite a bit. I use ubuntu for my programming so ubuntu just seems like a natural choice.
  • [03:01:24] <MH> Does everyone use the Cloud9 IDE, as that is the reason I don't use angstrom. I do not like the Cloud9 IDE that have integrated with it which is why I default to using another distro.
  • [03:02:01] <shapr> I just got started with Cloud9 last night, it's not terrible.
  • [03:02:15] <shapr> But emacs is my real IDE
  • [03:02:38] <MH> Yea I agree, it is not terrible and yea emacs is my IDE as well, that or sublime text editor.
  • [03:03:54] <shapr> I've never tried sublime, but I do like some of the features I see filtering in from that direction.
  • [03:04:00] <MH> So just to confirm I got this right: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu can NOT be used for the beagle bone black?
  • [03:04:05] <mdp> cloud9 is the official editor of beagle* emacs and vim are not supported
  • [03:04:21] <jkridner|work> mdp: :-/
  • [03:04:40] <shapr> You can have my emacs when you pry it from my cold RSI'd hands!
  • [03:04:43] <mdp> jkridner|work: ok. I should :)
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  • [03:05:23] <prpplague> jkridner|work: there really seems to be a lot of interest in the userspace arduino stuff
  • [03:06:24] <mdp> prpplague: huge mentor interest too
  • [03:06:24] <shapr> MH: Have you downloaded the xz file yet?
  • [03:07:11] <MH> shapr: which .xz file are you referring to the one from http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu or the one from http://www.armhf.com/index.php/boards/beaglebone-black/ ?
  • [03:07:47] <prpplague> mdp: i guess GSoC works if we get critical mass on the dev for it
  • [03:08:29] <mdp> individuals matter
  • [03:08:36] <bradfa_> MH angstrom != cloud9
  • [03:08:44] <MH> What is this I am hereing about GSoC
  • [03:09:10] <bradfa_> MH, proposals close tomorrow (or today, depending on where you are)
  • [03:10:37] <MH> bradfa: thanks, yea I know. I just feel like it is dirtied by having cloud9 and installed with it. I also like using ubuntu as I have the same CLI commands avaialble for my desktop. Such as everythig associated with the ubuntu software center.
  • [03:10:50] <MH> Is there a GSoC for beaglebone?
  • [03:11:09] <bradfa_> MH, lmgtfy
  • [03:11:25] <prpplague> hehe
  • [03:11:45] <jkridner|work> k, I'm headed to bed. I have an early morning.
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  • [03:11:59] <jkridner|work> let me know in the morning if I must catch up on other mentor duties.
  • [03:12:01] <bradfa_> https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2013/beagle
  • [03:12:24] <bradfa_> nite nite
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  • [03:12:49] <prpplague> jkridner|work: aye aye captain
  • [03:13:20] * prpplague waits for the captain to leave the room before telling everyone else the ship is sinking
  • [03:13:39] * ds2 hands prpplague packs of chewing gum
  • [03:14:00] <ka6sox> prpplague, abandon ship Exec?
  • [03:15:10] <mranostay> prpplague: can we get drunk while the ship is going down?
  • [03:15:26] <ka6sox> only if you sing "yo ho!"
  • [03:15:38] <ds2> hih0hih0hih0
  • [03:16:05] <ka6sox> um....wrong cartoon.
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  • [03:16:17] <mru> we know rats leave a sinking ship, and the captain stayss
  • [03:16:18] <MH> Well this is a pleasant suprise. Do we have mentors for the GSoC on this IRC?
  • [03:16:22] <mru> but what do trolls do?
  • [03:17:49] <mranostay> trololollololo
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  • [03:22:24] <MH> *ping
  • [03:22:47] <prpplague> mdp: if/when you get time, join #userspace-arduino
  • [03:22:58] <prpplague> mdp: that is where most of the discussion is going on
  • [03:23:05] <prpplague> mdp: (a little slow right atm)
  • [03:24:30] * mranostay prpplague's in
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  • [03:27:01] <prpplague> mranostay: ?
  • [03:28:03] <ptan> anyone know how to install joe (wordstar like editor) onto the beaglebone black?
  • [03:28:42] <ptan> (yeah, I know, I grew up with wordstar key diamond)
  • [03:28:47] <mranostay> prpplague: just me being weird
  • [03:29:08] <mranostay> ka6sox: so does the vote count actually matter? or does the admins have final say?
  • [03:29:08] <mru> prpplague: nothing new
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  • [03:29:23] <mru> mranostay: you think votes _ever_ matter?
  • [03:29:46] <ptan> opkg install joe gives me Unknow package 'joe'
  • [03:29:58] <prpplague> ptan: wow there is an app name i haven't heard in a while: wordstar
  • [03:30:04] <prpplague> mranostay: ahh
  • [03:30:08] <mranostay> mru: touche
  • [03:30:34] <ptan> yeah, I'm dating myself to programming since the 70's with cassette tapes and 8" floppies
  • [03:30:47] <mranostay> dating yourself?
  • [03:30:55] <mranostay> how does that work or do i want to know?
  • [03:31:00] <ptan> lol...
  • [03:31:11] <prpplague> mru: "nothing new" ? which conversation thread is that referring to?
  • [03:31:17] <ptan> dating as in carbon dating ;o
  • [03:31:35] <mru> mranostay: I thought with yourself you could get down to business straight away without going through that annoying dating ritual
  • [03:32:16] <mranostay> that is true
  • [03:32:41] <mranostay> ptan: probably me being weird
  • [03:33:12] <prpplague> mru: greetings btw
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  • [03:37:48] <mranostay> prpplague: no greetings for the rest of us?
  • [03:37:56] <ptan> yayyy... i2cset and i2cget works and talks to my cape!!!
  • [03:37:57] <mranostay> i see how it it is *sniff*
  • [03:38:13] <mranostay> ptan: those are the voices not i2c
  • [03:38:13] <ptan> now to actually get the rest of the cape working!
  • [03:39:13] <ptan> mranostay: what, what, what? they are voices !??! arrrrggghh!!!
  • [03:39:33] <prpplague> mranostay: x86 folks don't warrant a greeting
  • [03:40:16] <mranostay> prpplague: hey i'm unemployment atm thank you :P
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  • [03:41:20] <prpplague> mranostay: *cough* is that what a jedi says when he just hasn't taken his vows to become a Darth yet?
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  • [03:42:06] <MH> So does anyone have any guidance as to how to get debian or ubuntu on the BBB? I have not any good links except for http://www.armhf.com/index.php/boards/beaglebone-black/ and I am really not looking for Ubuntu 12.10
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  • [03:45:10] <rushikesh988> hi
  • [03:45:53] <rushikesh988> #beagle-gsoc
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  • [03:46:19] <ka6sox> boing
  • [03:46:25] <emeb_mac> boing
  • [03:46:47] <shapr> HOP
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  • [03:47:51] <mranostay> the booing
  • [03:49:57] <m_billybob> MH - > https://www.youtube.com/user/DerekMolloyDCU
  • [03:50:43] * m_billybob has been away working on or atleast :chearleading cr=ar repair
  • [03:50:55] <m_billybob> car repair yeah um wow.
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  • [03:53:14] <MH> Billybob thanks for the link, yea I have gone through quite a few of those videos before. My understanding is though that the beaglebone black needs different images than the white
  • [03:53:36] <MH> so I don't think those videos would be of much use :/
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  • [04:00:32] <solrize> heyall is sgx530 programming documented anywhere accessible? i looked all over...
  • [04:01:12] <m_billybob> debian / ubuntu setup should be similar. but yes, i dont know. havent actually progressed that far. and tonight beer consumption . . .
  • [04:01:57] <ds2> if you find docs, please post it!!!!
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  • [04:05:14] <MH> billybob: mmm yes, that will make the progress a little slower.
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  • [04:18:36] <m_billybob> MH, anyhow tonight im useless but tomorrow perhaps i'll revisit some hackery. no promisses of course. but I too want a more minimalistic install
  • [04:20:03] <m_billybob> personally, im more into a CLI only install. Not sure that what you, or anyone else is into.
  • [04:21:37] <MH> for the bone I like to connect to the terminal via SSH commands and then connect to the bones directory using sftp. That is all I need to really work on the bone. Anything else is just overhead
  • [04:22:51] <m_billybob> I feel pretty much the same. minimal debian netinstall with perhaps openssh-server
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  • [04:24:17] <m_billybob> still waiting on a sd card to arrive so a bit hmmm luft ? before i give it aserious try
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  • [04:24:29] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> m_billybob: you know, walmart has them for like $6 :P
  • [04:24:39] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> assuming you're in america.
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  • [04:24:54] <m_billybob> got a couple of 16 gigers arriving via ups
  • [04:24:59] <m_billybob> and yes i am
  • [04:25:40] <m_billybob> 1 out of 2 bbb's arrives broken. second one arrives non working via ssh
  • [04:25:50] <m_billybob> arrived*
  • [04:26:03] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> $12 at walmart. :P
  • [04:26:24] <MH> oo what do you mean by broken, how so?
  • [04:26:33] <m_billybob> 10 bux via newegg or some such reatiler and will be here in afew working days
  • [04:26:53] <m_billybob> MH. ssh not working period. html, or port 80 working fine.
  • [04:27:02] <m_billybob> cant ssh in
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  • [04:27:17] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> your patience is much better than mine :)
  • [04:27:34] <m_billybob> been waiting a few month for the bbb to get here . . .
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  • [04:28:43] <m_billybob> been playing with the msp430 launchpad, got a semi working project on that. but yeah anyhow . . . been a while since ive done any debian hackery on this level.
  • [04:29:04] <m_billybob> couple year at least.
  • [04:29:42] <MH> so I have been trying for several hours to connect my beaglebone black over serial
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  • [04:29:55] <m_billybob> ssh not working ?
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  • [04:30:12] <m_billybob> which host platform ?
  • [04:30:17] <m_billybob> ( OS )
  • [04:30:35] <MH> On the beaglebone white A5 I could connect to the beaglebone via: screen ttyUSBx 115200
  • [04:31:02] <m_billybob> no hands on with the original personally.
  • [04:31:05] <mru> there's no onboard usb-serial converter on the black
  • [04:31:06] <MH> currently I am trying with the default angstrom the black comes with yet also trying to get ubuntu 12.04 on it
  • [04:31:22] <mru> the console is on the header next to the expansion connector
  • [04:31:38] <mru> it's a standard 3.3V serial port
  • [04:31:39] <MH> thank you mru I guess that rules that out
  • [04:31:41] <m_billybob> the 6 pin jtag ?
  • [04:31:57] <m_billybob> im assuming it jtag anyhow
  • [04:31:59] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=L2w-XqW7bF4
  • [04:32:15] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> pretty rad "screen extension"
  • [04:32:40] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> more details: http://www.gizmag.com/microsoft-illumiroom-augmented-reality/27358/
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  • [04:33:36] <MH> I guess I will try to see how SSH works connecting to the BBB.
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  • [04:34:12] <m_billybob> MH should be 192.168.7.2 after the drivers are installed
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  • [04:35:36] <m_billybob> afer that -> nano /etc/resolve.conf change nameserver to reflect your local gateway, assuming it knows your WAN DNS
  • [04:36:16] <m_billybob> ifconfig should tell you all.
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  • [04:37:50] <m_billybob> ive sucessfully "net installed / upgraded" to 3.8.8 kernel
  • [04:38:31] <MH> billybob i think I also need the default user name for ssh. SSH USERNAME@192.168.7.2
  • [04:38:34] <m_billybob> takes about an hour and a half
  • [04:38:46] <MH> any idea on the username?
  • [04:38:51] <m_billybob> i use putty for ssh client
  • [04:39:02] <m_billybob> so yeah couldnt say for the web client
  • [04:39:25] <m_billybob> root / root
  • [04:39:35] <m_billybob> username / passwd
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  • [04:41:12] <m_billybob> blank passwd will work too, but it'll take a little bit while the bbb thinks
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  • [04:42:15] <m_billybob> misses too
  • [04:43:03] <m_billybob> need to find a good tutorial for opkg, first time ive used it
  • [04:43:33] <MH> that is another reason why I don't want to use angstrom...opkg
  • [04:44:01] <MH> okay SSH is not working maybe I should try putty, I haven't used it before
  • [04:44:47] <MH> I think I need to setup the bone to allow the remote access through SSH before I can connect to it
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  • [04:45:24] <m_billybob> are you on windows for the host ?
  • [04:45:43] <MH> my host is Linux Mint 13
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  • [04:47:05] <m_billybob> instruction that comes with the bbb says plug in the bbb, when the device is recongnized by the OS ( in my case windows ) navigate to the mass storage device -> START.htm, and fro mthere the instruction walk you through what you need to do.
  • [04:48:12] <m_billybob> after that it tells you the link for the USB -> TCP/IP drivers to install. Count say about how well this would work with mint though
  • [04:48:26] <m_billybob> count == couldnt
  • [04:49:00] <m_billybob> been meaning to install LMDE my self but havent gotten arond to it yet
  • [04:49:04] <MH> I think the drivers might be ready to go, not sure. I will have to look through the start.htm for a while.
  • [04:50:18] <MH> drivers are good to go, just checked
  • [04:50:54] <m_billybob> not meaning to dis Linux in the least, but for now, what I work with Windows seems to be the better platform for development compatability, granted ive just started with the bbb's
  • [04:50:59] <evilwulfie> yeah or you can plug the BBB into the network and use a browser
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  • [04:51:42] <m_billybob> except resolv.conf nameserver out of the box is 127.0.0.1
  • [04:52:02] <m_billybob> no idea how that works on a Linux network but on primarily windows network that is fail
  • [04:52:11] <evilwulfie> you dont get it if you use an ip address you dont use a name server
  • [04:52:47] <m_billybob> except the bb has no ideahow to talk to computer systems on that network
  • [04:52:58] <evilwulfie> ip to ip
  • [04:53:02] <evilwulfie> works just fine
  • [04:53:11] <m_billybob> nameserver == DNS and if DNS is localhost . . .
  • [04:53:33] <evilwulfie> dns is not used with your not using a name
  • [04:53:39] <MH> so I can pull up 192.168.7.2 and then pull up the cloud 9 ide which is good I guess
  • [04:54:00] <m_billybob> MH is that works for you sure.
  • [04:54:07] <m_billybob> if that works for you.
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  • [04:55:52] <MH> I guess that means the board is working okay, but I really want to get the ssh connection figured out, and then eventually get a new distro on the board
  • [04:56:20] <m_billybob> im not sure which ssh clients are availibe with mint
  • [04:56:32] <m_billybob> im thinking at minimum openssh ?
  • [04:56:39] <m_billybob> no idea honestly
  • [04:57:10] <m_billybob> one windows with putty though i just ssh'd into 192.168.7.2 and viola
  • [04:57:15] <m_billybob> on windows*
  • [04:57:44] <MH> did you have to change anything on the bone first? I know you mentioned something about one of the .conf files
  • [04:58:03] <m_billybob> root@beaglebone:~# uname -msr
  • [04:58:04] <m_billybob> Linux 3.8.8 armv7l
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  • [04:59:01] <m_billybob> MH nothing. i just installed the x64 driver, followed imediately by ifconfig and all was good
  • [04:59:23] <m_billybob> ifconfig was just to check what i'll call eth0
  • [05:00:41] <m_billybob> im not too familiar with angstrom, it lists no eth device # for the different ethernet connections
  • [05:00:43] <MH> so ifconfig in the cloud9 ide doesn't pull up anything
  • [05:00:56] <m_billybob> i did that from ssh
  • [05:01:37] <MH> after you ssh'ed to 192.168.7.2?
  • [05:02:55] <m_billybob> so from the top -> installed drivers -> ssh'd in -> root / root for user / passwd -> nano /etc/resolv.conf -> change 127.0.0.1 to my local network gate IP . . .viola, ssh'd in via it's IP{
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  • [05:03:54] <m_billybob> MH yes, exactly
  • [05:05:54] <m_billybob> once you ssh in via 192.168.7.2, edit resolv.conf to reflect your local IP for your gateway to the internet, run ifconfig, to get its local IP, then ssh into that IP
  • [05:06:36] <rt988> anny gsoc mentors around
  • [05:06:58] <m_billybob> you need of course a local router for that to work if thatsnot clear.
  • [05:07:58] <MH> when you ssh into 192.168.7.2 using putty for the first time can you explain what you do. I have putty pulled up right now I get "connection refused" for 192.168.7.2
  • [05:09:14] <m_billybob> i just pointed putty at the IP -> 192.168.7.2 -> putty then asks for a username, folow by passwd. both are "root" withoutthe quotes
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  • [05:10:16] <m_billybob> protocol "ssh" port 22
  • [05:10:31] <MH> okay so is that with ethernet connection to a local wireles router? or do you have direct ethernet connection to pc? or just usb?
  • [05:11:22] <m_billybob> im sure you can use direct connection, butnot exactly 100% sure how thats done. you would need a DHCP server runing me thinks
  • [05:11:30] <m_billybob> not exactly a network expert here . ..
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  • [05:13:10] <Guest83120> Hello.. is it possible run opencv libraries without a "GUI cape" in ubuntu using beagleboard?
  • [05:13:34] <MH> Guest83120 yes I do think so
  • [05:13:58] <MH> Guest83120 do you mean beagleboard or bone?
  • [05:14:30] <Guest83120> beagleboard-xm
  • [05:15:33] <MH> Guest83120 yes, I can't think of any reason why you would need a gui cape
  • [05:16:58] <m_billybob> MH, either way to do what ive done, you would need a system on the network acting as a DHCP server, and internt connection sharing known as ICS on windows. DHCP server may be omitted if you "hard coded" IPs. been a while since ive done that in linux, dont remember how, but im possitive it is possible.
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  • [05:18:05] <m_billybob> both the bb and host computer would have to be on the same subnet
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  • [05:19:31] <Guest83120> I have tested a program but i get the message "cannot open display".
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  • [05:20:21] <optimus> hello everyone!
  • [05:20:34] <mranostay> oh god
  • [05:20:47] * mranostay looks for a beer
  • [05:20:53] <optimus> has anyone gotten the new beaglebone black?
  • [05:20:56] * m_billybob has had 5 already
  • [05:21:03] <MH> si
  • [05:21:06] <m_billybob> and im a lightweight
  • [05:21:23] * mranostay finds said beer
  • [05:21:36] * m_billybob needs water now
  • [05:21:49] <solrize> i think mine has arrived but i haven't opened it yet
  • [05:21:55] <solrize> i got the shipping notice a couple days ago
  • [05:21:56] <optimus> i haven't had any luck with making the cloud9 IDE or the gateone ssh client work
  • [05:22:23] <MH> i have cloud9 going but no ssh'ing
  • [05:22:31] <solrize> digikey (where i ordered from) says 0 in stock
  • [05:22:44] <m_billybob> seems to be a problem shared by a few optimus
  • [05:22:49] <optimus> hello solrize! I got mine yesterday and couldn't wait to try it out!
  • [05:23:00] <m_billybob> we got two here, one worked out of the box, the other didnt
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  • [05:24:10] <kaelin> So excited, just unboxed my new bb black this evening!
  • [05:24:10] <optimus> MH, do you mean the SSH through the browser interface? I haven't had that work either, but I was able to ssh using Tera Term and edit files and even control LEDs
  • [05:24:49] <optimus> m_billybob that does not sound good
  • [05:25:17] <optimus> congratulations on your new BBB kaelin, let us know if it works...!
  • [05:25:36] <MH> optimus I haven't had anyform of ssh working I am trying through the browswer now don't really have that all figured out
  • [05:25:54] <m_billybob> optimus did you follow the instruction on the crd that shipped with the bbb ?
  • [05:26:29] <optimus> MH you can try any terminal program. Tera Term is one. IP of the BBB is 192.167.7.2, user is root and there is no password
  • [05:26:30] <evilwulfie> firefox does notwork for the bbb
  • [05:26:33] <m_billybob> e..g. plug in the bbb, navigate o the mass sotage controller device, and open START.htm
  • [05:26:41] <levi> I've got a Beaglebone Black too. Cloud9 worked on mine, but not the SSH thing. But that's okay for me because I have plenty of other ssh clients and the server works fine.
  • [05:26:55] <kaelin> Setup was pretty painless... I did have to reboot my MacBook Pro after installing the drivers, but on reboot the eth1 interface came right up. I'm poking around via ssh from the terminal now... This thing is awesome!
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  • [05:27:05] <evilwulfie> levi have you ssh'd into it yet?
  • [05:27:10] <levi> Yup.
  • [05:27:32] <evilwulfie> my number 2 wont let me
  • [05:27:32] <optimus> evilwulie firefox worked pretty much as much as chrome for me but yeah not too happy either
  • [05:27:38] <levi> And I used systemd to turn off all the cool bonescript and gui stuff. :)
  • [05:27:58] <optimus> m_billybob i didn't quite follow the instructions on the card. I followed the oned on the web page
  • [05:28:22] <levi> Although I appreciate the effort that went into them, and I think they're cool, I will probably be doing mostly C and perhaps a bit of lua.
  • [05:28:53] <m_billybob> optimus, just need to plug it in, and navigate to the mass storage device that shows up, the nopen start.htm it gives a link to the drivers for USB -> tcp/ip drivers
  • [05:28:54] <optimus> yes, m_billybob that's pretty much what i did. went to the htm page and followed the instructions from there
  • [05:28:59] <m_billybob> after that you should be able to ssh in
  • [05:29:13] <MH> so the ssh client in browser definately is not working for me
  • [05:29:28] <m_billybob> i didnt use it
  • [05:29:29] <optimus> levi nice to know cloud9 worked for you. are you using windows, linux, or mac?
  • [05:29:44] <m_billybob> MH what error does it give ? connection closed by server ?
  • [05:30:24] <evilwulfie> ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
  • [05:30:25] <optimus> kaelin, good to know it worked for you. did you try the ssh in the browser and the cloud9 ide?
  • [05:30:27] <evilwulfie> is what i got
  • [05:31:04] <MH> m_billybob when I click on the link for the GateOne SSH client I get the "page is not redirecting properly".....
  • [05:31:26] <evilwulfie> MH use chrome
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  • [05:31:35] <evilwulfie> ff will do that
  • [05:31:38] <kaelin> optimus: Cloud9 seemed to work fine in the latest Safari. Did not try the browser SSH client as I prefer the terminal for ssh.
  • [05:31:38] <optimus> m_billybob, the ssh client through the browser did not work for me. I ssh'd using a terminal....that worked fine
  • [05:31:43] <m_billybob> MH for what its worth evilwulfie has teh second bbb tha twe ordered, so yeah not the same error we're getting. so possibly good news
  • [05:31:54] <m_billybob> optimus, awesome
  • [05:32:05] <m_billybob> means you have access atleast
  • [05:32:39] <_av500_> ahoi
  • [05:33:07] <m_billybob> ok one second
  • [05:33:08] <optimus> yes i definitely have access. i have poked around, writted and compiled c++ code, and even controlled LEDs from the terminal. so it definitely works. It's just the interface that has issues.
  • [05:34:30] <m_billybob> MH on the right if you click on the "update image" link what happens ?
  • [05:34:40] <optimus> i am not sure if we can post links. But I have started a post about this issue at the beagleboard google group. It's titled "Cloud9 IDE and GateOne SSH Client not accessible". And sounds like others have been having issues too.
  • [05:34:59] <m_billybob> do you get a greeen box at the top ? tells yo uthe ip etc ?
  • [05:35:33] <optimus> m_billybob I get the green box on chrome and not on firefox
  • [05:35:40] <levi> optimus: I used it from the internal GUI and then from Windows, but I'll be doing most of my development on Linux if I can coax Yocto into building the image I want.
  • [05:35:49] <m_billybob> optimus, yeah same for me, firefox doesnt work
  • [05:35:55] <m_billybob> only chrome
  • [05:36:11] <levi> I'm pretty sure I was using firefox on Windows.
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  • [05:36:41] <m_billybob> bonescripts dont work on firefox for me either, but work fine on chrome
  • [05:36:46] <MH> m_billybob if I click on the update image link on the left it takes me to a web page 192.168.7.2/updates.html about updating the board
  • [05:36:58] <kaelin> Is there an eclipse-based environment for developing in C targetting the bb, or is there only the netbeans one?
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  • [05:37:17] <MH> m_billybob ... may I should update
  • [05:37:19] <m_billybob> MH green box at the top ? does it state 192.168.7.2 at the end ?
  • [05:37:35] <MH> maybe*
  • [05:37:38] <optimus> levi: that's nice to know. I'm guessing the internal GUI should work fine. I don't have an HDMI monitor so have to do this or something like Xming
  • [05:38:26] <optimus> m_billybob: yes, same here. bonescripts worked on chrome only.
  • [05:38:31] <MH> m_billybob what green box at the top?
  • [05:38:47] <m_billybob> should say something like . . one second
  • [05:39:18] <levi> It's a bit sluggish running v8 javascript for the server and tracemonkey javascript for the client at the same time, especially when cloud9 does fancy animations, but it does work.
  • [05:39:46] <optimus> kaelin: i think i saw a youtube video showing how to do this on eclipse. Or maybe it was a web page tutorial. Not sure I wasn't paying attention since couldn't get mine all up and running :(
  • [05:39:50] <m_billybob> Your board is connected!
  • [05:39:50] <m_billybob> BeagleBone Black rev 0A5A S/N 1613BBBK1091 at xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx <--- ip adress local subnet
  • [05:40:23] <m_billybob> in your case i should think it would say 192.168.7.2
  • [05:40:43] <m_billybob> mine is on a local ethernet subnet so yeah not goign to show you that ;)
  • [05:41:01] <levi> kaelin: The image is using the Angstrom distribution, which is built via Yocto tools, which can also generate a cross-compiling tool chain and a development kit that includes an eclipse plugin and a debug client that runs on the target platform to do debugging.
  • [05:41:41] <m_billybob> levi, whatabout remote compilation / debugging ?
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  • [05:41:49] <kaelin> Thanks levi and optimus
  • [05:42:08] <kaelin> optimus: Damn, sorry to hear you're having troubles
  • [05:42:39] <optimus> You're welcome kaelin. Out of curiosity, did you get yours ar Adafruit or someplace else?
  • [05:42:48] <levi> m_billybob: "a cross-compiling tool chain and a development kit tat includes an eclipse plugin and a debug client that runs on the target platform" basically means remote compiling and debugging, in more technical terms. :)
  • [05:43:09] <optimus> kaelin: thanks. I hope it works out.
  • [05:43:11] <MH> m_billybob Thanks for all the help, I am going to have to give up and try tomorrow. Got a GSoC application that needs attention...
  • [05:43:19] * m_billybob already runs cross compilation / debug tool for msp430
  • [05:43:32] <m_billybob> just not familiar with sitara core toochain *yet*
  • [05:43:39] <optimus> MH: good luck
  • [05:43:57] <m_billybob> MH right-o, good luck :/
  • [05:44:15] <kaelin> optimus: Orderd mine from element14
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  • [05:44:34] <levi> If someone knows the people who do the official image bulids, could someone poke them to bitbake the adt-installer and/or meta-toolchain-sdk targets and distribute them from the same place as the images?
  • [05:44:36] <m_billybob> got ours from mouser
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  • [05:45:34] <optimus> kaelin: ah...element14 delayed my raspberry PI order last year to the extent that I cancelled, so I avoided them this time.
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  • [05:45:58] <mrpackethead> prob wa'snt mousers fault
  • [05:46:24] <kaelin> optimus: I think lots of places had problems getting the Pi shipped.
  • [05:46:31] <mrpackethead> yes.
  • [05:46:42] <mrpackethead> and then lots of people have had lots of problems with Pi
  • [05:46:46] <mrpackethead> and what are they going to do
  • [05:46:50] <m_billybob> problem with our bbbseems to be software issue related, but wouldnt discount possible hardware issues
  • [05:46:52] <optimus> mr_packethead: probably isnt any distributor's fault, but just curious where the good one(s) ended up
  • [05:46:55] <mrpackethead> when Chip 1,999,999 is used
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  • [05:47:59] <optimus> kaelin: yes pretty much everyone had shipping problems with it. I just ordered mine from the UK in the end. they shipped the next day..
  • [05:48:02] <m_billybob> our second bbb has been rma'd
  • [05:48:40] <optimus> mepackethead: didn't have any issues with the pie...but didn't like the whole emphasis on python...it's a great tool for learning programming but not so for robotics..
  • [05:49:16] <m_billybob> anyone here with extensive rpi experience ?
  • [05:49:21] <optimus> i mean the Pi as a whole is not so awesome as a robotics controller
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  • [05:49:42] <solrize> the bbb has those rtu coprocessors that look intersting for controlling stuff
  • [05:50:17] <m_billybob> rpi just seemed to lackluster on so many levels for embedded purposes.
  • [05:50:24] <m_billybob> so lackluster*
  • [05:50:52] <optimus> everyone: thanks for the feedback. I hope this issue gets fixed soon. All those with issues, keep your eyes on the post on this issue on the beagle board forum: "Cloud9 IDE and GateOne SSH Client not accessible"
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  • [05:54:41] <solrize> i ordered mine from digikey last week and they said something like 6 weeks lead time, but i got a shipping notice 2 days later
  • [05:54:48] <solrize> i had been hearing predictions of 1 week
  • [05:54:56] <solrize> are they in short supply again? are more coming?
  • [05:57:08] <m_billybob> my understanding was first "pas" was 100,000 unit were intially manufactuered so yeah . .do not know. local plays a big part of that im sure
  • [05:57:12] <panto> gm
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  • [05:58:21] <mranostay> panto: i hope you brought gyros for the room
  • [05:58:47] <panto> for breakfast?
  • [05:58:56] <panto> no, that's not the way it works
  • [05:59:24] <solrize> well if someone's really desperate i can probably part with mine... i'm unlikely to have time to do anything with it anytime soon
  • [06:00:05] <mranostay> panto: isn't like having pizza for breakfest?
  • [06:00:20] <solrize> is there such a thing as a decent 5mp focusable camera module that the bbb or rpi can run? the rpi one is fixed focus which is useless for close-ups
  • [06:00:24] <m_billybob> just so happen my next project uses a bbb but e get ours from mouser :)
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  • [06:01:57] <m_billybob> I expect to spend a few months getting to know the bbb, too me that logn with the msp430
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  • [06:02:11] <m_billybob> ( launchpad )
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  • [06:03:00] <KotH> if you spend months with the msp, then the bone will take you years ^^'
  • [06:03:09] <m_billybob> dount it.
  • [06:03:14] <m_billybob> doubt even
  • [06:03:16] <KotH> that said... a wonderfull JIHAD everyone!
  • [06:04:36] <KotH> mranostay: you dont want fatty, awfull smelling gyros in the morning!
  • [06:04:51] <KotH> mranostay: what you want, is a nice, wonderfully tasting kebab!
  • [06:04:53] <KotH> ;-)
  • [06:05:24] * mranostay is drunk and doesn't care
  • [06:05:34] * KotH gives mranostay a bottle of raki
  • [06:06:11] <KotH> but be carefull with that stuff... or you wont wake up until monday ;)
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  • [06:06:47] <mranostay> yeah that would end badly
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  • [06:11:31] <Dalek_> hello
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  • [06:15:15] <levi> Hi
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  • [06:28:17] <mrpackethead> m_billybob: whats the channel name?
  • [06:29:38] <m_billybob> mrpackethead ?
  • [06:30:01] <mrpackethead> m_billybob: just asking becuase you where asking for PI experience here
  • [06:30:42] <levi> Sweet, I may have figured out the right incantation for my Yocto build for beaglebone.
  • [06:30:52] <m_billybob> was just curious aboutthose who had hands on. What ive read indicated to me atleast that the rpi was not very desirable.
  • [06:31:10] <levi> It's very desirable for some things, less so for others.
  • [06:31:26] <m_billybob> documentation seems to stink it it has rather limited external gpio
  • [06:31:28] <mrpackethead> levi: like what>
  • [06:31:42] <mranostay> KotH: so is that basically Ouzo?
  • [06:31:43] <m_billybob> xbmc i suppose he means
  • [06:31:49] <mrpackethead> the i/o is lamost useless.
  • [06:31:53] <m_billybob> media server duties
  • [06:32:44] <levi> There are lots of things you might use a low-power computer for that don't involve i/o beyond ethernet.
  • [06:33:27] <m_billybob> not really my idea of what embedded means
  • [06:34:03] <levi> It wasn't really marketed as an embedded controller.
  • [06:34:20] <mrpackethead> levi, like ?
  • [06:34:38] <mrpackethead> what things would you use it for
  • [06:34:41] <m_billybob> on a personal level id be perfectly happy with the bbb without an OS even, but . . . this is my first foray into these devices so ill reserve my final observations until i get to know it better
  • [06:34:59] <levi> Serving files, serving small web apps, monitoring network traffic, running a VOIP service, etc.
  • [06:35:31] <m_billybob> technicaly most of that can be done with a M0 core processor without an OS even
  • [06:36:04] <m_billybob> granrted, something like bonescript makes this easier . ..
  • [06:36:13] <m_billybob> granted even
  • [06:38:13] <levi> Even before RPi, there were several small ARM computers that were basically marketed to geeks wanting to have a low-power always-on PC for simple network services. They were just a lot more expensive than RPi.
  • [06:38:32] <m_billybob> you're 100% right
  • [06:38:47] <dm8tbr> some were even in the same price range
  • [06:39:02] <m_billybob> 3-4 years ago the stellaris eval board offered by TI were $75US
  • [06:39:14] <m_billybob> no OS limited support for anythign of this nature
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  • [06:39:39] <m_billybob> that was simply an M3 too
  • [06:39:42] <levi> Stellaris is an M3, right?
  • [06:40:00] <levi> Not exactly in the same class as an A-series ARM.
  • [06:40:04] <m_billybob> new boards are known as tiva, very recently know as LM4F
  • [06:40:08] <m_billybob> nope not at all
  • [06:40:25] <levi> I really like the M3 architecture, but not to run Linux on!
  • [06:40:42] <mrpackethead> mranostay: i'm looking at that BCC cape
  • [06:40:46] <m_billybob> you technically could run linux on them but the question i think would be why
  • [06:40:46] <mrpackethead> and jusst wondering
  • [06:40:50] <mrpackethead> if we should build one
  • [06:40:50] <m_billybob> it would be slow as hell
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  • [06:41:41] <levi> It's a perfect platform to code a simple main loop-with-interrupts system.
  • [06:41:55] <levi> Or at most a thin RTOS.
  • [06:42:09] <mranostay> BCC cape?
  • [06:42:17] <mrpackethead> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/bcc/index.html
  • [06:42:21] <m_billybob> FOr me the biggest reason for beagle is the TI support behind the processor. TI usually has very good documentation and software support. from what ive seen from the rpi, the bbb's trump
  • [06:42:33] <m_billybob> levi my personal prefference is bare metal no OS
  • [06:43:02] <m_billybob> OS is just another abstraction layer to get in the way but meh ill deal with it
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  • [06:43:47] <mrpackethead> mranostay: wonder if we could buidl the dmx cape into it
  • [06:43:51] <tsjsieb> goodmorning
  • [06:43:53] <m_billybob> added benifits to go with that abstration layer too, just a differnt learning curve
  • [06:45:10] <levi> I developed a bunch of code in QNX on an A8 in a Jacinto5. The A8+QNX couldn't handle the interrupt rate I needed, so the guys taking over the project ported it to one of the M3s in the Ducati subsystem. Unfortunately, they decided to use sys/bios and syslink, and dealing with those was a major pain!
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  • [06:45:52] <mranostay> emeb_mac: you started that cape in 2011? :)
  • [06:45:54] <m_billybob> read a lot abotu TI's sysbios never used it though
  • [06:46:15] <m_billybob> seemed pretty cool but never had a use for it
  • [06:46:19] <mranostay> you have a few unpopulated PCBs left?
  • [06:46:31] <mrpackethead> mranostay: apparently not
  • [06:46:35] <mrpackethead> :-(
  • [06:46:57] <mrpackethead> but the Scheamtics and Gerbers and stuff are all availalbe
  • [06:47:02] <levi> It is cool in theory, but in practice the code is so portable that it's really hard to trace what it's doing when things go wrong.
  • [06:47:25] <levi> Everything maps through two or three layers of indirection.
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  • [06:47:40] <m_billybob> yeah i hate even reading other people code let alone tryign to understand / read a whole "library" lol
  • [06:47:52] <mrpackethead> mranostay: i think it woudl be nice to make some for learning
  • [06:48:31] <m_billybob> levi, im a hobbyist though, since the 90's so i can afford to do what i please. thankfully.
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  • [06:49:08] <_av500_> levi: fun with syslink :)
  • [06:49:16] <emeb_mac> mranostay: yep
  • [06:49:22] <m_billybob> well i should clarify in saying "honnist programmer" embedded is realitivly new to me ( last 5-6 years or so )
  • [06:49:30] <levi> On another product we were going to have to port it to the DSP instead of the Ducati M3s, so syslink was really attractive to some of the team.
  • [06:49:32] <m_billybob> hobbyist programmer*
  • [06:49:48] <mranostay> emeb_mac: how much is that FPGA chips again?
  • [06:49:56] <levi> "Hey, we'll just have to write it once and it will be easy to move to the DSP!"
  • [06:50:03] <mrpackethead> mranostay: $12.50 i just looked it up
  • [06:50:09] <m_billybob> c2000 ?
  • [06:50:21] <mrpackethead> mranostay: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/XC3S200A-4VQG100C/122-1594-ND/1956947
  • [06:50:26] <mranostay> kinda cheap if i trust my soldering skills
  • [06:50:40] <levi> Whatever DSP core they threw in there.
  • [06:50:48] <m_billybob> my own personal "dream project" would use the picolo c2000
  • [06:50:56] <mrpackethead> that was 1off
  • [06:51:17] <levi> I swear they dump their entire IP library into most of the SoCs, and they only tell you about 3/4 of it in the TRMs.
  • [06:51:19] <emeb_mac> mranostay: what - the price of the XC3S200A chip? It's about $12 or so.
  • [06:51:31] <_av500_> levi: nah
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  • [06:51:38] <_av500_> its mostly what is in the TRMs
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  • [06:51:52] <_av500_> at least in the NDA ones
  • [06:51:58] <mrpackethead> emeb_mac: would you mind if i ran up some of BCC
  • [06:52:15] <mrpackethead> i'm wanting to learn soemtigna bout FPGAs'
  • [06:52:16] <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: go ahead. I wish someone would. :)
  • [06:52:20] <mrpackethead> and this looked good
  • [06:52:51] <m_billybob> FPGA is on my list sopmeday too, as well as PIC32
  • [06:53:03] <emeb_mac> pic32. meh
  • [06:53:15] <_av500_> mips ftw
  • [06:53:21] <emeb_mac> :P
  • [06:53:24] <mrpackethead> we use a lot of pic24's
  • [06:53:33] <_av500_> emeb_mac: my coworker has that olimex pic32
  • [06:53:36] <_av500_> likes it a lot
  • [06:53:37] <m_billybob> compared to what ive been playign iwth the last few month its an awesome MCU line lol
  • [06:53:48] <mrpackethead> my lighting controllers have PIC24's in them
  • [06:53:51] <m_billybob> value line msp430 . ..
  • [06:53:59] <emeb_mac> _av500_: I've got some pic32 demo boards.
  • [06:54:01] <m_billybob> g2553 specifically
  • [06:54:07] <emeb_mac> not thrilled with them.
  • [06:54:11] <_av500_> ic
  • [06:54:20] <mrpackethead> if i was goign to redeisng , we'll probalby go pic32, but the pic24 has enough go
  • [06:54:21] <mrpackethead> for the task
  • [06:54:23] <KotH> mranostay: hell no!
  • [06:54:23] <mrpackethead> and theya re cheap
  • [06:54:31] <KotH> mranostay: ouzo is a cheap copy of raki!
  • [06:54:34] <KotH> mranostay: ;)
  • [06:54:39] <levi> _av500_: That wasn't my experience with this part based on early pre-production discussions with our rep as well as some revelations about things way later as well.
  • [06:55:16] <levi> Also, the datasheet and TRM disagreed on which things were there in a couple of places. :)
  • [06:55:51] <_av500_> levi: jacinto?
  • [06:55:55] <_av500_> yeah that can be
  • [06:55:58] <levi> Yup.
  • [06:56:05] <_av500_> that stuff is not even fully on the website
  • [06:56:13] <levi> I know!
  • [06:56:21] <levi> Drove me nuts.
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  • [06:56:29] <_av500_> and probably driven by automotive customerts more than by TI
  • [06:56:31] <emeb_mac> I prefer STM32. Cortex M3 all the way man.
  • [06:56:38] <mranostay> panto: thoughts? :)
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  • [06:56:40] <_av500_> like OMAP chips in the past
  • [06:56:42] <emeb_mac> or M4F
  • [06:56:47] <levi> And after we finished porting to the M3, they told us it had PRUs in it. :P
  • [06:56:50] <_av500_> or MD%
  • [06:56:52] <_av500_> or MD5
  • [06:57:21] <m_billybob> have a stellaris launcpad and FRDM-KL25Z that i havent even laid paws on yet
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  • [06:57:29] <m_billybob> some day . . .
  • [06:57:36] <mrpackethead> mranostay: do you want the board blank, or assembled
  • [06:57:45] <_av500_> I brought back 4 demo beards from embedded world
  • [06:57:49] <_av500_> havent touched one yet :(
  • [06:57:53] <mrpackethead> emeb_mac: the deisgn all worked? ( BCC )
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  • [06:58:10] <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: yes - 100% functional.
  • [06:58:27] <mrpackethead> do you know if its good with BBB?
  • [06:58:30] <emeb_mac> err... 100% of what I've tested at least. :)
  • [06:58:32] <mrpackethead> it shoudl be
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  • [06:58:58] <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: I haven't tried it on BBB, but I can't think of a reason not.
  • [06:59:21] <emeb_mac> It uses some GPMC pins that might conflict with the eMMC tho
  • [06:59:30] <emeb_mac> so those pins would be off limits.
  • [06:59:58] <panto> mranostay, -EBUSY
  • [07:00:00] <panto> what's this about?
  • [07:00:03] <PiyushA> hello
  • [07:00:11] <mrpackethead> I'll get a quote for making them
  • [07:00:43] <mranostay> panto: turks vs greeks
  • [07:00:46] <levi> Sweet, I have a core-image-minimal custom-built for beaglebone finally!
  • [07:00:51] <PiyushA> *sad day* I ran a update/upgrade and I got the ill-fated 3.8.10 version and now my BBB doesn't boot... and I don't have a micro-hdmi cable on me =(
  • [07:01:03] <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: cool. I'd be interested in what the price is.
  • [07:01:13] <mrpackethead> I'll ask my board house
  • [07:01:19] <m_billybob> So question. anyone else notice the bbb only running stable for a day before it become unresponsive without a rebot ? stock out of the box.
  • [07:01:22] <mrpackethead> i spend $1000's with them each month
  • [07:01:23] <pittbull> hi guys
  • [07:01:25] <PiyushA> and trying the sd-card flash isn't doing anything it tries to boot and I just get a solid blue light on CPU... left it for 1-2 hrs and it started getting hot and I figure it shouldn't be taking that long.
  • [07:01:25] <levi> You can boot from the micro-sd card if you hold down the boot button, I think.
  • [07:01:27] <mrpackethead> so they will look after me.
  • [07:01:34] <pittbull> so I`m trying to finish my GSoC proposal
  • [07:01:49] <pittbull> I want to pursue the PRU Firmware loader
  • [07:02:06] <PiyushA> it was all working before I upgraded :/
  • [07:02:15] <panto> what ever :)
  • [07:02:17] <pittbull> project and I need some pointers/reviews/opinions
  • [07:02:38] <levi> PiyushA: That's really a bummer. Have you tried hooking up the serial port?
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  • [07:03:13] <m_billybob> isnt there some text file that needs to be on the sd card for it to work properly ?
  • [07:03:38] <levi> You need MLO, u-boot.bin, and uImage I think.
  • [07:03:38] <PiyushA> I didn't even know there was a serial port
  • [07:03:39] <pittbull> on what everyone would like to get from this project
  • [07:03:50] <PiyushA> I just used the .xy file and followed the steps to get it onto the card
  • [07:03:52] <m_billybob> e.g. without this text file even if you plan on booting from eMMC with sd card inserted it wont boot
  • [07:04:00] <Guest34190> Hi all: Can anyone tell me about begalbone black ...how to see complete booting in host console ...?
  • [07:04:12] <PiyushA> well the odd part is with the micro-sd in I see just the CPU light lit up
  • [07:04:15] <levi> PiyushA: There's a serial header; you need an adapter to use it.
  • [07:04:21] <PiyushA> if I take it out I get the 3 LED lights lit up
  • [07:04:26] <PiyushA> gotcha
  • [07:04:41] <PiyushA> my board just arrived yesterday, so haven't bought anything else for it yet
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  • [07:04:54] <mrpackethead> emeb_mac: will finish them in gold ENIG
  • [07:04:56] <mrpackethead> and red
  • [07:05:26] <levi> Guest34190: Hook up the serial port or the HDMI port if you need to get early boot information in real-time, otherwise log in and use journalctl
  • [07:05:30] <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: that'll look awesome
  • [07:05:44] <mrpackethead> all my prototype boards now shoudl be red.
  • [07:06:00] <PiyushA> I'm guessing CPU light being the only one lit isn't normal?
  • [07:06:01] <mrpackethead> the idea is that they can't accidently get shipped out
  • [07:06:48] <m_billybob> was readin you need a file called uEnv.txt to boot with a sd card inserted, to be booted from or not.
  • [07:07:03] <m_billybob> bbb.
  • [07:07:55] <Guest34190> hi levi : Can we use usb for console output
  • [07:07:58] <levi> The manual for the bbb describes the whole boot process.
  • [07:07:58] <m_billybob> anyhowim 3 sheets to the wind and it late . . .
  • [07:08:07] <PiyushA> Ill double check to see if that is there
  • [07:08:11] <emeb_mac> you take the red board or the blue board. down the rabbit hole...
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  • [07:08:28] <levi> Guest34190: If you buy or make an adapter from the serial header to a serial/usb converter.
  • [07:09:08] <levi> Apparently eliminating that part from the board was a significant source of the cost savings that makes the BBB so cheap.
  • [07:09:11] <mrpackethead> if we make 50 boards
  • [07:09:21] <mrpackethead> they are goign to be $10 each or so
  • [07:09:35] <emeb_mac> bare boards?
  • [07:09:40] <mrpackethead> yup
  • [07:09:45] <mrpackethead> have you got dimensison of it
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  • [07:09:53] <Guest34190> levi , can you provide any links on how to connect adapter on BBB?
  • [07:09:56] <emeb_mac> not bad. they were $25/ea from OSHpark
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  • [07:10:58] <PiyushA> looks like I do have a uEnv.txt
  • [07:11:04] <PiyushA> all it has inside is
  • [07:11:08] <PiyushA> optargs=quiet
  • [07:11:17] <_av500_> should be fine
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  • [07:11:52] <PiyushA> MLO file is there, BBBFlasher 20130318?
  • [07:11:57] <PiyushA> inside ID.txt
  • [07:12:42] <levi> Personally I hate it when boards have serial/usb chips on them. Give me a serial header and let me provide my own adapter!
  • [07:12:53] <_av500_> vvu|Mobile: I added some notes
  • [07:13:00] <_av500_> levi: thats what BBB does
  • [07:13:17] <m_billybob> levi give me uart booatstrap am im happy :P
  • [07:13:18] <_av500_> its a tradeoff
  • [07:13:23] <levi> I know, that's what I was just saying.
  • [07:13:28] <m_billybob> and im happy*
  • [07:13:37] <_av500_> these days for novice users having the FTDI chip is nice
  • [07:13:47] * m_billybob npods
  • [07:14:02] * mranostay drinks
  • [07:14:03] <mrpackethead> emeb_mac: at 1000 off, they woudl be $2.56 each
  • [07:14:14] <emeb_mac> wow - really cheap!
  • [07:14:46] <mrpackethead> 100 off, tested is $6.50
  • [07:15:24] <mrpackethead> 50 off, is $10.48
  • [07:16:09] <mrpackethead> 20 off, $21.00
  • [07:16:09] <mrpackethead> 50 seems sweet
  • [07:16:13] <mrpackethead> wonder if we post to the list
  • [07:16:15] <KotH> mranostay: got some raki? ;)
  • [07:16:20] <mrpackethead> and see if there is any interest
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  • [07:17:15] <mranostay> KotH: yeah well i
  • [07:17:25] <mranostay> 'll have to check if BevMo has that
  • [07:17:59] <KotH> mranostay: :)
  • [07:18:04] <KotH> mranostay: hint: do not drink it pure
  • [07:18:07] <_av500_> mranostay: just drink brake fluid
  • [07:18:12] <_av500_> same effect
  • [07:18:15] <_av500_> cheaper
  • [07:18:19] <KotH> mranostay: dillute it with 1 to 3 parts of water
  • [07:18:22] <PiyushA> oh wait, when the SD Card is in do you have to actually press the boot button manually? or does it automatically boot from the SD Card?
  • [07:18:32] <mranostay> _av500_: pretty sure that would kill me
  • [07:18:37] <_av500_> raki? yes
  • [07:18:48] <PiyushA> if you do a power cycle
  • [07:19:01] <KotH> _av500_: did you have some bad experiences? ;)
  • [07:19:05] <m_billybob> PiyushA ive read that it doesnt matter as long as you have the properly config files on the sd card, but no hands on personally
  • [07:19:12] <m_billybob> proper*
  • [07:19:14] <emeb_mac> mranostay: ever had absinthe?
  • [07:19:15] <_av500_> you can also just try
  • [07:19:32] * _av500_ wonders if he has mini hdmi at home
  • [07:19:49] <m_billybob> technically you're supposed to press and hold s2 i guess ? but what i read said it doesnt matter at this point , so meh whatever.
  • [07:20:37] <m_billybob> still waiting on my sd card to arive :/
  • [07:20:54] <emeb_mac> gn
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  • [07:20:59] <PiyushA> yeah I guess i cant tell without getting the serial/hdmi
  • [07:21:06] <PiyushA> it starts booting
  • [07:21:19] <PiyushA> i see the normal LED pattern
  • [07:21:30] <PiyushA> then it stays on the CPU light
  • [07:21:50] <PiyushA> 3:21am... think its bed time before I break this. Ill just order the cables from amazon and be very patient...
  • [07:22:07] <m_billybob> :/
  • [07:22:14] <mrpackethead> posted to the mailing list
  • [07:22:18] <mrpackethead> weill see if theres interest
  • [07:22:30] <m_billybob> dont smoke your board like ive read several people have already lol
  • [07:22:45] <PiyushA> haha
  • [07:22:52] <KotH> how did you smoke your bones?
  • [07:22:53] <mrpackethead> right going to get my hands dirty.
  • [07:22:55] <PiyushA> I haven't. Like I said it was all working fine
  • [07:23:00] <PiyushA> before I did upgrade/update
  • [07:23:00] <mrpackethead> KotH: in a bone smoker
  • [07:23:04] <KotH> ah..
  • [07:23:05] <PiyushA> and went to 3.8.10 kernel
  • [07:23:06] <KotH> thought so
  • [07:23:12] <m_billybob> KotH, rubbing it too vigourusly without lube ?
  • [07:23:20] <mrpackethead> KotH: I find the fish smoker is a bit hot though
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  • [07:23:33] <KotH> m_billybob: i'd use something differnt for your girl than a bone
  • [07:23:41] <PiyushA> so anyone who starts playing with a BBB... make sure you dont update/upgrade to 3.8.10 stick to 3.8.6/ 3.8.8 or go to 3.8.11 once that's out
  • [07:23:57] <mrpackethead> KotH: put your swiss sauage away
  • [07:23:58] <m_billybob> ive upgrade to 3.8.8
  • [07:24:10] <m_billybob> whats wrong with *.10 PiyushA ?
  • [07:24:30] <PiyushA> eMMC doesnt boot as far as I can tell from my board/what i've read on the group
  • [07:24:53] <m_billybob> you did a sd upgrade ot net install / upgrade ?
  • [07:24:57] <m_billybob> doesnt sound good either way
  • [07:25:16] <PiyushA> im gonna try this newer image
  • [07:25:24] <PiyushA> from the circuitco site
  • [07:25:47] <PiyushA> BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.02.img.xz
  • [07:25:48] <PiyushA> instead of
  • [07:25:59] <panto> PiyushA, the dangers of using a dev kernel
  • [07:26:02] <PiyushA> BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.04.13-DDR3-400MHz.img.xz
  • [07:26:14] <PiyushA> I didn't realize it was... :\ I just did upgrade/update haha
  • [07:26:22] <mrpackethead> is anyone running Debian on a BBB yet?
  • [07:26:24] <PiyushA> I figured having it all updated would be good
  • [07:26:28] <PiyushA> bad assumption
  • [07:26:36] <m_billybob> i just did opkg update; opkg upgrade; followed by opkg --force-overwrite install kernel-image-3.8.8 before rebooting
  • [07:26:41] <mranostay> mrpackethead: you have those stackable headers still?
  • [07:26:45] <PiyushA> yeah I should have done that
  • [07:26:51] <PiyushA> I didnt see the thread until after the fact
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  • [07:26:56] <PiyushA> and I had just pressed the re-boot button
  • [07:26:58] <PiyushA> so fail on me
  • [07:27:00] <mrpackethead> mranostay: i've got osme but they are spoken for now
  • [07:27:02] <m_billybob> ewps
  • [07:27:05] <Russ> mranostay, http://beaglebone.mlelectronics.com/
  • [07:27:19] <m_billybob> friend of mine from another sorums used serial connection to get in to twiddle uboot
  • [07:27:23] <m_billybob> forums*
  • [07:27:28] <PiyushA> yeah, I have to buy those cables
  • [07:27:40] <PiyushA> my board arrived yesterday =p didnt realize it came with just a USB cable
  • [07:27:49] <m_billybob> i thik he used a ftdi module
  • [07:27:50] <PiyushA> I kind of just ordered it the second I saw the order page go up on digikey
  • [07:27:54] <PiyushA> didnt really read everything haha
  • [07:28:02] <m_billybob> we dont have a 3.3v module here so cant test
  • [07:28:12] <PiyushA> yeah no worries
  • [07:28:17] <PiyushA> ill be patient
  • [07:28:19] <m_billybob> only ftdi module we have is 5v
  • [07:28:41] <PiyushA> just gonna start putting this newer image on my sd card
  • [07:28:49] <PiyushA> then bedtime.. gotta be up in 4.5 hrs for work x_X
  • [07:29:02] <m_billybob> heh only 12:30 am here ;)
  • [07:29:21] <m_billybob> but i should be up by 7 . . solar array to put n the rof, or solar array addition i should say
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  • [07:29:39] <PiyushA> ooo very nice
  • [07:29:49] <m_billybob> yeah we're 100% offgrid
  • [07:29:57] <PiyushA> haha I have a friend who wants to do that
  • [07:30:00] <m_billybob> 1.5kw on the roof now
  • [07:30:00] <PiyushA> but he is broke =p
  • [07:30:03] <PiyushA> dang
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  • [07:30:09] <PiyushA> that sounds like a decent amount
  • [07:30:14] <m_billybob> another 5kw going up this spring
  • [07:30:28] <PiyushA> now you just need an electric car
  • [07:30:30] <PiyushA> and you are all set
  • [07:30:33] <m_billybob> naw
  • [07:30:35] <m_billybob> lol
  • [07:30:38] <PiyushA> =p
  • [07:30:45] <m_billybob> its great but it costs a ton
  • [07:30:51] <PiyushA> yeah Im sure
  • [07:30:57] <PiyushA> I'm happy with my mazda3
  • [07:30:58] <m_billybob> think of it like paying your power bill in advance for 10+ years
  • [07:31:00] <PiyushA> it zooms
  • [07:31:14] <PiyushA> haha
  • [07:31:17] <PiyushA> long term investment
  • [07:31:42] <m_billybob> well here in AZ power company wanted 50k to run power lines out to us so yeah not really an options
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  • [07:31:49] <PiyushA> oh wow
  • [07:32:03] <PiyushA> haha my nearest neighbor... is next to my wall
  • [07:32:06] <speakman> Hi folks. Is there any specific channel for Beagle Bone (Black)?
  • [07:32:15] <PiyushA> I'm in Boston
  • [07:32:16] <m_billybob> lol our is like 1/2 mile away ;)
  • [07:32:18] <PiyushA> well near Boston
  • [07:32:32] <m_billybob> we're kind of in the boonies,
  • [07:32:42] <PiyushA> @speakman I think there's enough people here who could help out =)
  • [07:33:08] <PiyushA> egads... I don't even remember how to reply in IRC... it's been years since I last used it I was probably like 10 years old
  • [07:33:13] <Guest34190> HELLO ANY DOWNLOAD IS GOING ON..
  • [07:33:27] <m_billybob> great . . .
  • [07:33:28] <Guest34190> HUGE DOWNLOAD 4M UR IP
  • [07:33:40] <PiyushA> wha?
  • [07:34:14] <rob_w> which is the best kernel git for the beaglebone ? git://arago-project.org/ ?`http://git.ti.com/ti-linux-kernel/ti-linux-kernel ? any else ?
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  • [07:34:36] <_av500_> neither
  • [07:34:55] <speakman> PiyushA: (y)
  • [07:35:09] <rob_w> av500, enlightme pls
  • [07:35:28] <_av500_> PiyushA: you saw koen's post on the ML?
  • [07:35:30] <_av500_> .11 it is
  • [07:35:46] <m_billybob> ML link ?
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  • [07:35:54] <m_billybob> stil havent subscribed yet :/
  • [07:35:59] <_av500_> well then do
  • [07:36:02] <PiyushA> I did... but I guess I dont know how to get to that
  • [07:36:04] <_av500_> my mailer does not provide links
  • [07:36:06] <PiyushA> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!searchin/beagleboard/3.8.10/beagleboard/kYRrjf_M9N4/peKhhbs-KTAJ
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  • [07:36:22] <PiyushA> I'm hoping the 5/2 image will have it
  • [07:36:27] <_av500_> e http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.02.img.xz
  • [07:36:38] <PiyushA> yep, it just finished downloading
  • [07:36:55] <PiyushA> took forever was only gettin 70KB/s max
  • [07:37:27] <_av500_> 870k now
  • [07:37:28] <speakman> Regarding the BB Black, the CPU does support CAN BUS (dual channel maybe?). But there is no mention of CAN in the BB Black specs. Do you know if there are any work going on bringing CAN working on BB Black?
  • [07:37:39] <PiyushA> Im guessing the 4/13 version was too old to boot properly
  • [07:37:52] <PiyushA> I have the latest revision of the board
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  • [07:38:02] <m_billybob> speakman seems to be a CAN0 mentioned in the docs
  • [07:38:13] <PiyushA> well I'll report back on the ML tomorrow
  • [07:38:18] <PiyushA> im going to let this flash to my sd card
  • [07:38:23] <PiyushA> but I need to get some sleep
  • [07:38:52] <m_billybob> beaglebone_black_SRM_A52.pdf
  • [07:39:00] <m_billybob> page um . . .
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  • [07:39:26] <m_billybob> 26
  • [07:40:51] <PiyushA> andd away it goes: xz -dkc BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.02.img.xz > /dev/disk3
  • [07:40:54] <m_billybob> so only one CAN periph it seems
  • [07:41:14] <m_billybob> whats the base link for the ML ?
  • [07:41:36] <PiyushA> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!forum/beagleboard
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  • [07:42:27] <m_billybob> been a google user for years and not really familiar with google groups lol
  • [07:42:32] <m_billybob> no time liek the present . ..
  • [07:42:36] <PiyushA> haha, I think the UI is a little finicky
  • [07:42:41] <PiyushA> but other than that it works
  • [07:42:41] <_av500_> ignore the UI
  • [07:42:48] <_av500_> sing up and opt for emails
  • [07:42:54] <PiyushA> ^ or do that
  • [07:42:55] <_av500_> then it is all in your mailer
  • [07:42:55] <m_billybob> ill just try and forward to my gmail
  • [07:42:59] <_av500_> yes
  • [07:43:01] <PiyushA> I get enough crap in my email though
  • [07:43:01] <m_billybob> yeah what he said :)
  • [07:43:04] <_av500_> set a filter in gmail etc
  • [07:43:26] <_av500_> PiyushA: I have gmail mostly for mailing lists
  • [07:43:32] <_av500_> they sit and accumulate mails
  • [07:43:38] <_av500_> one day I will read them
  • [07:43:39] <_av500_> maybe
  • [07:43:40] <_av500_> ...
  • [07:43:44] <PiyushA> haha I have an obsession with having 0 unread mail
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  • [07:43:50] <PiyushA> so its unhealthy to have mailing lists
  • [07:43:59] <_av500_> inbox != folders :)
  • [07:44:20] <m_billybob> only mail that makes it fast my filters usualy is embedded stuff
  • [07:44:23] <m_billybob> or family
  • [07:44:30] <m_billybob> makes it past*
  • [07:44:35] <PiyushA> okay so ~40 mins til sdcard is flashed
  • [07:44:36] <PiyushA> im off
  • [07:44:37] <PiyushA> goodnight!
  • [07:44:43] <m_billybob> hey
  • [07:44:46] <_av500_> ho
  • [07:44:47] <m_billybob> come back tomorrow
  • [07:44:52] <PiyushA> will do
  • [07:44:52] <m_billybob> let us know how it went
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  • [07:45:00] <m_billybob> at least id liek to know . . .
  • [07:45:08] <PiyushA> ill post on ML worst case
  • [07:45:15] <m_billybob> ok cool good night :)
  • [07:45:20] <PiyushA> gnight!
  • [07:45:21] <_av500_> PiyushA: im flashing the same now
  • [07:45:25] <PiyushA> cool
  • [07:45:25] <_av500_> just to see
  • [07:45:29] <speakman> m_billybob: both CAN channels seems to be available on the P9 extension header. Great!
  • [07:45:53] <m_billybob> awesome
  • [07:45:55] <vvu|Mobile> av500: ping
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  • [07:46:04] <m_billybob> never used CAN before but sure i could find a use eventually
  • [07:46:07] <_av500_> vvu|Mobile: yep
  • [07:46:26] <_av500_> m_billybob: you can hot rod your prius with it
  • [07:46:48] <m_billybob> or just some custom not vehicuclar use ;)
  • [07:46:55] <m_billybob> non vehicular*
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  • [07:47:01] <vvu|Mobile> _av500_: i read your comments now. my original idea was to boot from the start over usb. ds2 told me to look into pusb
  • [07:47:11] <_av500_> yes
  • [07:47:18] <woglinde> yes
  • [07:47:25] <_av500_> maybe I was over concerned about not all phones doing host
  • [07:47:28] <woglinde> troll troll troll
  • [07:47:31] <_av500_> so put that back in :)
  • [07:47:33] <vvu|Mobile> but if rom booting is to be done, more android hacking is needed.
  • [07:47:47] <_av500_> well, libusb is there no?
  • [07:48:06] <vvu|Mobile> yes but don't i need root access on the phone ?
  • [07:48:16] <_av500_> not sure
  • [07:48:21] <_av500_> that would be a killer
  • [07:48:35] <vvu|Mobile> here i stumbled upon with ds2 too
  • [07:48:52] <_av500_> vvu|Mobile: can you do some googling today
  • [07:48:55] <_av500_> and try to find out
  • [07:49:03] <vvu|Mobile> and rooting i do not think it is an option because in many cases an be an overkill, not all devices have like "one click tool"
  • [07:49:06] <vvu|Mobile> i will, for sure
  • [07:49:13] <vvu|Mobile> but wanted to check out 1st some details
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  • [07:50:14] <_av500_> ok
  • [07:50:18] <solrize> fyi, adafruit claims to have bbb in stock
  • [07:50:25] <solrize> http://www.adafruit.com/products/1278
  • [07:50:31] * m_billybob has two in house
  • [07:50:49] <m_billybob> one functional sadly ( meaning one not functional )
  • [07:51:32] <m_billybob> got to say when i saw the final price i was midly surprised, quite happy
  • [07:51:44] <m_billybob> I figured ~$600
  • [07:51:51] <woglinde> m_billybob ?????
  • [07:51:55] <m_billybob> err lol ~$60
  • [07:51:58] <solrize> :)
  • [07:52:42] <solrize> yeah i guess they waited til the last minute to decide because they didn't want to go as low as they did, but decided they had to if they wanted to stay relevant against the rpi
  • [07:53:04] <m_billybob> i think twice the price of the rpi would be worth it
  • [07:53:27] <solrize> yeah people just love really cheap stuff though
  • [07:53:37] <m_billybob> after reading through the community forums and documentation ( or lack there of ) on the rpi i was very disapointed
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  • [07:53:58] <vvu|Mobile> _av500_: should i provide a timelime for the other implementation too?
  • [07:54:20] <solrize> i see the ti launchpad msp430 went up from $4.30 to $10 and i go "wow what a high priced board" when of course it's still almost free
  • [07:54:43] <solrize> i got a couple of the stellaris boards at $5, dunno what to do with them
  • [07:54:45] <vvu|Mobile> or just a paragraph about rom booting and its troubles and its advantages ?
  • [07:55:02] <woglinde> solrize ghana waits for them to recycled by poor kids
  • [07:55:20] <levi> You can send a stellaris board to me. ;)
  • [07:55:30] <m_billybob> solrize, lots can be done withthem
  • [07:55:50] <m_billybob> check out ---> http://forum.stellarisiti.com/
  • [07:55:53] <solrize> levi you can still order them from ti, they're around $12 now, still not bad
  • [07:56:07] <solrize> the st32f discovery is a more powerful board though
  • [07:56:11] <solrize> at around the same price
  • [07:56:32] <m_billybob> is thast the M) freedom ?
  • [07:56:35] <m_billybob> M0*
  • [07:56:44] <levi> I may have to get one. I've pored over all the M3 documentation from ARM, so it's shame not to have one.
  • [07:56:46] <koen> m_billybob: we've noticed that people who mention rpi pricing as a good thing don't want to pay more for the board than $35
  • [07:56:47] <solrize> m_billybob, yeah i know there's lots to do with the stellaris, i just don't feel up to it, too much else to do
  • [07:56:55] <solrize> m_billybob, the st32f is an m4
  • [07:57:04] <koen> m_billybob: even if you explain to them that they don't need to buy an sd card and stuff
  • [07:57:04] <solrize> at 200 mhz or so, with 192k of ram and 1m of program flash
  • [07:57:11] <solrize> i.e. around 2x as much stuff as the stellaris launchpad
  • [07:57:17] <koen> like arguing with a brick wall
  • [07:57:35] <m_billybob> koen, lots of peopel jus twant a turn key medi box solution i guess
  • [07:57:38] <solrize> freedom is a freescale product, discovery is STM
  • [07:57:49] <koen> m_billybob: and the bone is not suited for media playback
  • [07:57:51] <m_billybob> me im more of a software tinker. tiny bit EE
  • [07:57:56] <koen> well, media from 5 years ago or so :)
  • [07:57:57] <solrize> koen, i like the rpi approach of putting everything on an sd card
  • [07:58:13] <solrize> and it's unfortunate that the bbb doesn't support 1080 hdmi
  • [07:58:20] <levi> I would really love to have a super cheap media platform, but I think I'm just going to get a Celeron NUC for that.
  • [07:58:33] <m_billybob> yeah becaue its graphcis would other wise smoke that on the rpi i think
  • [07:58:37] <solrize> levi, android stick :)
  • [07:58:39] <levi> I wonder if the bbb resolution issue is a software or hardware one.
  • [07:58:52] <koen> solrize: it supports 1080p HDMI, but we limited it to 720p, since higher resolutions would not make sense
  • [07:58:53] <m_billybob> 1280x1024 max graohics on the bbb from what i just read though
  • [07:59:01] <solrize> koen ????
  • [07:59:03] <solrize> not make sense how?
  • [07:59:11] <koen> scrolling in a browser at 1080p is not as fast as you'd like
  • [07:59:27] <solrize> browser? can't i run x on it?
  • [07:59:34] <koen> the bone can output 2048x2048, go wild :)
  • [07:59:43] <koen> it runs X by default
  • [07:59:48] <koen> and you can run a browser in X
  • [08:00:01] <solrize> oh i see what you're saying
  • [08:00:04] <solrize> i mostly want to run emacs
  • [08:00:25] <solrize> but, if it can support higher res it shouldn't advertise 720 everywhere
  • [08:00:26] <woglinde> lol
  • [08:00:48] <levi> I think they didn't want to promise a high res that it performs poorly at.
  • [08:00:55] * KotH pokes koen
  • [08:00:58] <m_billybob> docs i jus tread says 1280x1024 max, is that an OS limitation ? wouldnt think so but . . .
  • [08:01:00] <KotH> koen: no chocolate for you!
  • [08:01:00] <koen> chocolate!
  • [08:01:13] <woglinde> nvidia claimed hdtv for tegra too and it was poor
  • [08:01:17] <woglinde> ups tegra2
  • [08:01:28] <KotH> koen: you havent answered my question ;)
  • [08:01:38] <woglinde> hi koth
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  • [08:01:48] <KotH> moin woglinde
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  • [08:02:26] <koen> KotH: which question?
  • [08:02:30] <koen> m_billybob: https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/blob/3.8/patches/drm/0007-drm-tilcdc-add-TI-LCD-Controller-DRM-driver-v4.patch#L922
  • [08:02:48] <joachimhs> Are the pin headers on the Beaglebone Black digital or analog ?
  • [08:03:07] <koen> m_billybob: so you can set the max resolution in the DT if you want 2k x 2k
  • [08:03:22] <panto> koen, it won't really work
  • [08:03:26] <panto> pixel clock limit
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  • [08:03:39] <koen> 2k x 2k at 2Hz :)
  • [08:03:43] <panto> lol :)
  • [08:03:44] <m_billybob> ok cool wasnt arguing,m so a framebuffer limitation then in the current iteration of angstrom perhaps
  • [08:03:47] <panto> ok, ok :)
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  • [08:03:55] <koen> m_billybob: kernel, not angstrom
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  • [08:04:28] <solrize> what is the situation with the graphics? does it need binary blobs?
  • [08:04:33] <_av500_> yes
  • [08:04:38] <_av500_> sgx needs blobs
  • [08:04:39] <KotH> koen: how good the software support for the lvds board is
  • [08:04:52] <koen> KotH: board or bone?
  • [08:04:58] <m_billybob> for current project using bbb CLI is all that needed, but would love to have a small eficient dev / remote debug system in the future
  • [08:05:00] <KotH> bone
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  • [08:05:15] <koen> KotH: I don't know of any lvds board, so that means no support
  • [08:05:36] <m_billybob> several on ebay
  • [08:05:37] <KotH> koen: http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_LVDS_LCD_Cape
  • [08:05:43] <m_billybob> chinese seller ~$40
  • [08:05:55] <m_billybob> lvds converter boards all day long
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  • [08:06:25] <smith_engr> really dumb question: if you power the BBB with USB does it still boot normally and will listen to keyboard and display over HDMI?
  • [08:06:43] <KotH> koen: i guess, i have to ask chalk-elec directly then
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  • [08:07:13] <_av500_> wow, my sdcrd is fast: 3657433088 bytes (3.7 GB) copied, 4.67313 s, 783 MB/s
  • [08:07:26] <m_billybob> KotH search ebay lvds converter board . . . several listed on ebay.
  • [08:07:31] <_av500_> until I realized it was not plugged in :(
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  • [08:07:47] <koen> KotH: nothing from chalk is supported, they just dump HW and don't care about sw
  • [08:08:02] <_av500_> KotH: yeah, talk to chalk
  • [08:08:03] <KotH> m_billybob: i'm not going to use a chinese el-cheapo board from ebay in a medical board, even if it's just a prototype
  • [08:08:06] <KotH> koen: damn!
  • [08:08:07] <KotH> koen: thanks!
  • [08:08:21] <_av500_> KotH: grep panda logs for desparate chalk customers
  • [08:08:43] <koen> KotH: but it shouldn't be hard to get the lvds board working, it might even work by pretending it's an dvi cape
  • [08:08:51] <joachimhs> Are the pins labeled AIN0 through AIN6 analog pins?
  • [08:09:01] <panto> joachimhs, yes
  • [08:09:12] <m_billybob> oh for actual project, commercial type yeah hell no me either. TI has *some* lvds or similar chips on their site though . . .
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  • [08:09:23] <joachimhs> panto: cool
  • [08:09:52] <KotH> m_billybob: most of the stuff i do is comercial... but this is a prototype for a small startup, so we are financially limited
  • [08:10:12] <joachimhs> Are there any information on how to access these pins from the linxu distros?
  • [08:10:26] <KotH> either we can get something quickly working with of the shelf components, or they have to look for another investor
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  • [08:13:15] <m_billybob> KotH, yeah sorry i do know there is a two chip TI solution but dont recall which, had a TI person come into #43oh one night and starting chatting about it . . . month or so ago. didnt strike me as a simple solution though either
  • [08:14:38] <KotH> m_billybob: the problem is not about designing a board, the problem is that we dont have the money to do a pcb
  • [08:15:07] <KotH> m_billybob: all we have money for is to plug things together and write some simple software
  • [08:15:21] <m_billybob> super small budget eh
  • [08:15:28] <KotH> juup
  • [08:15:41] <KotH> as i said: startup
  • [08:15:48] <m_billybob> should i even mention elecrow ? lol sorry couldnt resist
  • [08:16:01] <solrize> i did something with some freescale board that i think had lvds
  • [08:16:13] <solrize> it was less powerful than a bbb
  • [08:16:27] <solrize> iirc it had a 350 mhz arm9 and 64mb of ram but it ran angstrom pretty well
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  • [08:17:07] <KotH> how much?
  • [08:17:45] <_av500_> KotH: you can buy the chalk board
  • [08:17:55] <_av500_> all they did was to put the TI LVDS chip
  • [08:18:04] <_av500_> on a parallel LCD interface
  • [08:18:10] <_av500_> there is nothing to set up
  • [08:18:17] <KotH> _av500_: no driver change involved?
  • [08:18:21] <_av500_> so, you dont really need their support
  • [08:19:03] <KotH> hmm.. well.. i put it on the list, so we can buy and test it. if it doesnt work, the customer is going bancrupt :)
  • [08:19:14] <_av500_> KotH: are we talking bone or beagle?
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  • [08:19:48] <KotH> _av500_: currently bone
  • [08:19:48] <_av500_> ah ic
  • [08:19:53] <_av500_> they made a bone version too
  • [08:19:55] <_av500_> missed that
  • [08:20:48] <_av500_> out of stock anyway
  • [08:23:04] <m_billybob> tempted tp try out scrpt mining on the bbb lol
  • [08:23:17] <m_billybob> might get a whole .5 kh/s
  • [08:23:35] <solrize> lol
  • [08:23:55] <solrize> there's a crypto accelerator in the sitara chip i think
  • [08:24:00] <solrize> wonder if it does sha256
  • [08:24:05] <panto> yeah, it does
  • [08:24:11] * panto thinks it does
  • [08:24:15] <m_billybob> scrypt is different though
  • [08:24:22] <m_billybob> not sha256
  • [08:24:31] <KotH> panto: so it's muntion and you are not allowed to export it
  • [08:24:51] <panto> the manual is export controlled, the linux source that uses it is not
  • [08:24:52] <_av500_> KotH: why LVDS at all?
  • [08:24:52] <panto> go figure
  • [08:25:01] <_av500_> export control open source
  • [08:25:11] <_av500_> that always works
  • [08:25:35] <KotH> _av500_: external constraints
  • [08:25:56] <KotH> _av500_: i would plug into it a cheap dvi tft, but well...
  • [08:27:49] <_av500_> KotH: what display res?
  • [08:28:10] <KotH> _av500_: uh.. dunno.. not too much
  • [08:28:16] <vvu|Mobile> _av500_: should i insert a timeline of development for ROM booting ?
  • [08:28:21] <_av500_> yes
  • [08:28:22] <KotH> _av500_: it's a small control display with touchscreen
  • [08:28:34] <_av500_> ah
  • [08:28:35] <KotH> _av500_: kind of big buttons on a screen
  • [08:28:41] <_av500_> ic
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  • [08:28:53] <KotH> nothing fancy or so..
  • [08:29:02] <KotH> it's just they dont have any $$$
  • [08:29:11] <_av500_> well, as koen said, making the lvds fake the dvi cape should be easy
  • [08:29:22] <_av500_> and you get to hack dt :)
  • [08:31:13] <KotH> *g*
  • [08:31:22] <KotH> does DT solve money problems?
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  • [08:34:32] <_av500_> yes
  • [08:34:34] <_av500_> asl panto
  • [08:34:37] <_av500_> ask
  • [08:34:40] <_av500_> it solved his
  • [08:34:56] <panto> cco,money = "required";
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  • [08:37:14] <_av500_> is dd multithreaded these days?
  • [08:39:10] <koen> _av500_: linaro optimized it, it now does 60fps instead of 30
  • [08:39:17] <Jacmet> ;)
  • [08:39:48] <_av500_> 3657433088 bytes (3.7 GB) copied, 7.131 s, 513 MB/s
  • [08:39:52] <_av500_> wtf is going on here?
  • [08:40:07] <Jacmet> _av500_: ssd?
  • [08:40:08] <ka6sox> _av500_, SSD?
  • [08:40:11] <_av500_> no
  • [08:40:15] <_av500_> micro sd
  • [08:40:16] <ka6sox> RAID?
  • [08:40:18] <Jacmet> heh
  • [08:40:18] <ka6sox> huh
  • [08:40:18] <_av500_> no
  • [08:40:21] <ka6sox> nope
  • [08:40:21] <_av500_> yes, huh
  • [08:40:33] <_av500_> I have the feeling its all in buffer cache
  • [08:40:39] <_av500_> but sync does nothing
  • [08:40:42] <ka6sox> slirp
  • [08:40:45] <_av500_> how do I get it written???
  • [08:41:00] <ka6sox> sync...but that isn't
  • [08:41:04] <Jacmet> _av500_: same performance with conv=fdatasync?
  • [08:41:10] <_av500_> lets see
  • [08:43:42] <_av500_> 3657433088 bytes (3.7 GB) copied, 7.31809 s, 500 MB/s
  • [08:43:45] <_av500_> wtf?
  • [08:43:46] <woglinde> that was fast
  • [08:43:49] <woglinde> hehe
  • [08:43:52] <woglinde> md5sum
  • [08:43:53] <woglinde> or so
  • [08:44:13] <_av500_> i copied a movie to the card with dd
  • [08:44:16] <_av500_> ejected it
  • [08:44:17] <Jacmet> _av500_: clock off? your test took significantly longer than 7s
  • [08:44:20] <woglinde> all bytes are 0
  • [08:44:22] <_av500_> put it back
  • [08:44:25] <_av500_> and it played
  • [08:44:28] <_av500_> its crazy
  • [08:44:29] <Jacmet> _av500_: funky
  • [08:44:39] <_av500_> Jacmet: no, I did other things
  • [08:44:40] * Jacmet wants one of those microsd's
  • [08:44:46] <_av500_> yeah
  • [08:44:48] <_av500_> its awesome
  • [08:44:56] <_av500_> too bad fsk complains
  • [08:44:59] <_av500_> fsck
  • [08:45:01] <koen> how long did the eject take?
  • [08:45:02] <Jacmet> :/
  • [08:45:09] <_av500_> koen: sync takes 0s
  • [08:45:17] <_av500_> samething is broke in suse 12.4
  • [08:45:20] <_av500_> some
  • [08:45:23] <woglinde> lol
  • [08:46:17] <vvu|Mobile> _av500_: can you take a look on the update of my proposal? it's kinda short now but if needed i will elaborate more http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/ungureanuvladvictor/1001#
  • [08:46:53] <_av500_> I will
  • [08:46:59] <_av500_> did you check for the root stuff?
  • [08:47:28] <vvu|Mobile> yes, there is an implementation of libusb that uses the android usb api
  • [08:47:45] <vvu|Mobile> but here i think the problem are devices over android 2.3.1, not sure
  • [08:47:51] <vvu|Mobile> which usb implementation they use
  • [08:48:21] <vvu|Mobile> _av500_: https://github.com/SpecLad/libusb-android#readme
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  • [08:49:10] <_av500_> arf
  • [08:49:15] <_av500_> something is fubar here
  • [08:49:31] <letothe2nd> _av500_: more fubar than usual?
  • [08:49:44] <KotH> _av500_: i have the same feeling
  • [08:50:17] <ka6sox> whats more fubar than fubar?
  • [08:50:23] <KotH> foobar
  • [08:51:00] <_av500_> well, if I put an 8GB card, it gets reported as the previous 4GB one :/
  • [08:51:06] <_av500_> frak
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  • [08:53:36] <_av500_> wtf, dmesg reports an 8gb card on sdb, fdisk says its 4GB
  • [08:54:38] <_av500_> dmesg
  • [08:54:41] <_av500_> grah
  • [08:56:01] <XorA> not a SDHC compatible reader :-D
  • [08:56:23] <_av500_> its the one I use all the time
  • [08:56:47] <XorA> just bizarre then, I blame koen
  • [08:58:43] <woglinde> uhm
  • [08:58:49] <woglinde> bind mount
  • [08:59:17] <woglinde> sd cards are sometimes worser than usb
  • [09:00:53] <XorA> SD is a non scalable spec :-(
  • [09:01:18] <XorA> its like a Bill Gates spec, no-one will ever need more than 2G of storage
  • [09:01:52] <_av500_> well, it all worked before I upgraded the os on this laptop
  • [09:01:58] <woglinde> lol
  • [09:02:00] <_av500_> i knew that ws a mistake
  • [09:02:05] <woglinde> blame the kernel
  • [09:02:28] <woglinde> or blame suse for overpatching the kernel
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  • [09:17:24] <_av500_> sigh
  • [09:17:28] <woglinde> ja
  • [09:17:43] <_av500_> there is diff between what fdisk shows and what the kernel mounts
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  • [09:18:07] <web324> hi
  • [09:18:25] <_av500_> sdb1 has my data
  • [09:18:31] <_av500_> sdb it self is all 0?
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  • [09:21:45] <_av500_> lol
  • [09:21:49] <_av500_> I found it
  • [09:22:13] <woglinde> tell us
  • [09:22:17] <_av500_> hint: never have a file named sdb in /dev :)
  • [09:22:33] <_av500_> now, where is that from?
  • [09:22:40] <woglinde> loooooooolllll
  • [09:22:49] <woglinde> I bet dd
  • [09:22:52] * woglinde runs
  • [09:22:54] <_av500_> yeah
  • [09:23:21] <woglinde> ;)
  • [09:23:34] <woglinde> you found it at least
  • [09:23:42] <Jacmet> hah
  • [09:23:51] <_av500_> so, it was my SDD
  • [09:23:54] <_av500_> fast, eh? :)
  • [09:24:00] <woglinde> yes
  • [09:24:04] <woglinde> congrats
  • [09:24:08] <_av500_> \o/
  • [09:24:32] <koen> _av500_: isn't /dev tmpfs?
  • [09:25:15] <woglinde> koen when you not reboot?
  • [09:25:22] <_av500_> koen: it is
  • [09:25:31] <_av500_> i have no idea how dd created that file there
  • [09:25:46] <woglinde> check your command histroy
  • [09:26:14] <_av500_> but its a nice trick to drive coworkers crazy
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  • [09:27:00] <_av500_> it melted: http://igloocommunity.org/pipermail/announce/2013-May/000043.html
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  • [09:28:18] <_av500_> woglinde: but now it takes soooooooooo long
  • [09:28:23] <_av500_> I prefer my fast way
  • [09:29:18] <woglinde> av500 I wonder how you played the movie
  • [09:32:03] <_av500_> doh: 3657433088 bytes (3.7 GB) copied, 346.692 s, 10.5 MB/s
  • [09:32:12] <_av500_> woglinde: well, it was saved locally
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  • [09:33:49] <woglinde> 10.5 is okay
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  • [09:39:17] <hustcalm> jkridner|work: hi, I have added focus on i2c, spi and uart to my proposal, you may want to have a look, https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/hustcalm/1
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  • [09:49:48] <mrpackethead> Researchers at Wake Forest University (NC, USA) and the University of Kentucky (KY, USA) have developed a reliable, semiconducting spray paint, which can be spread over a wide variety of flexible electronics. This organic compound, called triethylgermylethynyl-substituted anthradithiophene (!), seems to be inexpensive and efficient enough. Obviously, we're already thinking of state-of-the-art applications such
  • [09:49:48] <mrpackethead> as semiconducting art and makeup. Who's in?
  • [09:50:46] <teralaser> what does it do ?
  • [09:52:49] <_av500_> koen: running the flasher now, how do I know it is done?
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  • [09:56:23] <koen> _av500_: 4 LEDS constant on
  • [09:57:56] <_av500_> hmm no
  • [09:58:03] <_av500_> do I need to call emmc.sh manually?
  • [09:59:14] <_av500_> ah, thats the end
  • [09:59:15] <_av500_> ic
  • [10:00:08] <koen> the LEDs are: heartbeart, mmc0, cpu0, mmc1
  • [10:00:16] <koen> so you can check the activity
  • [10:01:03] <_av500_> yes
  • [10:01:23] <_av500_> ok, emmc.sh is running
  • [10:01:25] <_av500_> so, wait
  • [10:01:27] <_av500_> :)
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  • [10:08:48] <koen> _av500_: you can login over serial and do:
  • [10:08:55] <koen> watch systemctl status emmc
  • [10:09:07] <koen> that will show what process is running and the stdout
  • [10:11:21] <KotH> mrpackethead: waht's the point of some semiconducting organic compound?
  • [10:11:46] <mrpackethead> apparently you can spray it on stuff
  • [10:12:03] <mrpackethead> its in all the jornals this week
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  • [10:43:24] <KotH> mrpackethead: welll... as long as you cannot dope it, there is no point in a semiconducting film
  • [10:43:43] <KotH> mrpackethead: and before the do any semiconducting stuff, the should come up with one good conducting film
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  • [10:46:33] <rob_w> is the default u-boot on BBB @ 115200 baud ?
  • [10:46:35] <woglinde> re
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  • [10:48:34] <Mountain> Hi
  • [10:49:05] <Mountain> I'm searching for a spreadsheet of the P8/P9 header
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  • [11:01:32] <_av500_> in the SRM
  • [11:05:14] <woglinde> whats SRM instead of TRM?
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  • [11:05:33] <_av500_> well
  • [11:05:35] <mrpackethead> question about america
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  • [11:05:45] <mrpackethead> why would you buy a large coke
  • [11:05:56] <woglinde> I do not buy coke
  • [11:05:56] <mrpackethead> when you can buy a small coke and get unlimited refils?
  • [11:06:08] <_av500_> lazy
  • [11:06:12] <_av500_> refill means you have to get up
  • [11:06:12] <bmercer> lol
  • [11:06:19] <woglinde> bigger is better
  • [11:06:22] <woglinde> thats america
  • [11:06:24] <bmercer> that's what she said
  • [11:06:48] <_av500_> mrpackethead: why buy a large house
  • [11:06:52] <woglinde> bmercer what?
  • [11:06:54] <_av500_> when you can be in one room at a time only
  • [11:07:03] <bmercer> "bigger is better" <-- that's what she said
  • [11:07:17] <woglinde> hm I think we didnt have it for a long time
  • [11:07:24] <woglinde> "Because I can"
  • [11:07:48] <woglinde> next topic
  • [11:07:56] <woglinde> our daily rpi vs. bbb
  • [11:08:33] <_av500_> koen: it works
  • [11:08:33] * beng-nl pays attention
  • [11:09:15] <woglinde> av500 of course its oe based
  • [11:09:43] <mdp> mrpackethead, for the long commute?
  • [11:10:39] <_av500_> take the long way home
  • [11:10:52] * mdp is looking for free refills on new york strip, medium rare..still no restaurant like that
  • [11:10:56] <_av500_> BBB killer: http://olimex.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/a10s-olinuxino-micro-4gb-developer-edition-is-in-stock/
  • [11:11:10] <mdp> _av500_, lol
  • [11:12:28] <mdp> xbmc
  • [11:15:10] <woglinde> yeah mali
  • [11:15:32] <CareBear\> I like that olimex board
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  • [11:21:18] <mrpackethead> that is a nice board in deed.
  • [11:22:12] <mdp> CareBear\, have mine on order...their A13 micro is rock solid..one of my favorites
  • [11:22:28] <CareBear\> bmercer : she tells me something else..
  • [11:22:53] <CareBear\> mdp : keep enemies close etc.. :)
  • [11:22:59] <CareBear\> eh, friends close
  • [11:23:24] <mdp> fills a gap
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  • [11:24:00] <mdp> mind the gap
  • [11:24:17] <_av500_> koen: gate one does not work for me in chrome
  • [11:24:23] <_av500_> it says you are evil
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  • [11:25:10] <woglinde> av500 opensuse?
  • [11:25:20] <mdp> _av500_, you can't conceal anything from google
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  • [11:26:43] <_av500_> woglinde: ?
  • [11:26:44] <_av500_> yes
  • [11:26:55] <_av500_> I mean the gate one ssh as served by the bone
  • [11:28:17] <koen> _av500_: iirc that's because the date on the bone points to the year 2000
  • [11:28:33] <mru> and who cares?
  • [11:28:43] <mru> it's not running kerberos, is it?
  • [11:29:04] <_av500_> koen: no
  • [11:29:11] <_av500_> The webpage at https://beaglebone.local/auth?next=%2F has resulted in too many redirects
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  • [11:29:58] <_av500_> h
  • [11:30:00] <_av500_> ah
  • [11:30:06] <_av500_> I need to click set date
  • [11:30:15] <_av500_> why is the date not set in the factory?
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  • [11:30:23] <_av500_> want my money back
  • [11:30:44] <_av500_> wow, 9k6 feeling
  • [11:30:46] <koen> _av500_: not battery for RTC
  • [11:30:50] <koen> no*
  • [11:30:50] <woglinde> av500 check logs I think koen already explained it
  • [11:31:26] <woglinde> but I think koen made nasty hack to save date at shutdown or so
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  • [11:34:07] <koen> woglinde: I removed that
  • [11:34:15] <koen> the date will be wrong
  • [11:34:34] <koen> so it won't matter if it's a month wrong of years, it's still wrong
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  • [11:35:15] <koen> if your dhcp server gives ntp server addresses to the client connman will automatically do a quick ntp sync
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  • [11:37:00] <woglinde> koen hm and when ntp says the date is off to much
  • [11:37:11] <woglinde> or forced ntpdate?
  • [11:37:45] <woglinde> hm I love jenkins
  • [11:38:06] <mru> koen: what cares about the clocks being synced?
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  • [11:38:12] <mru> and how much deviation does it tolerate?
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  • [11:38:51] <koen> mru: https certs
  • [11:39:00] <mru> huh?
  • [11:39:02] <koen> gateone uses https
  • [11:39:09] <mru> are you generating a cert on bootup?
  • [11:39:36] <koen> on first connect and it seems to use the date from the browser
  • [11:39:50] <koen> I tracked it down to certs and then having the wrong time
  • [11:39:54] <koen> then I stopped caring :)
  • [11:39:55] <mru> why not set the expiry to something far in the future?
  • [11:40:27] <mru> when is the next apocalypse due?
  • [11:40:58] <tsjsieb> monday I guess
  • [11:41:20] <woglinde> 31.12.2012
  • [11:42:13] <woglinde> mru hm we should counting how many after av500 comes up with this question
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  • [11:52:23] <smith_engr> how far is an 'arduino' implementation from happening on the BBB PRUs?
  • [11:52:56] <mru> if you want an arduino, why don't you buy an arduino?
  • [11:53:03] <mru> they're still sold, right?
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  • [11:53:32] <mdp> a gating factor would a publicly available C compiler for PRU
  • [11:53:39] <mru> emulation is useful for things that either don't exist yet or no longer exist
  • [11:53:43] * mdp waits for mru to explode about PRU/C
  • [11:53:50] <_av500_> PRU++
  • [11:53:55] <mru> mdp: and I maintain that a C compiler for PRU defeats the purpose
  • [11:53:57] <smith_engr> for all the reasons the PRUs are there
  • [11:54:05] * mru does not dare disappoint mdp
  • [11:54:45] <mdp> I can count on you
  • [11:55:17] <smith_engr> i guess, enlighten me... i want to implement a highly reliable controller using the PRU to interact with hardware
  • [11:55:46] <smith_engr> from where the current implementation is done with arduino
  • [11:56:05] <jackmitchell> smith_engr: it would maybe be easier to use an audrino, and implement an spi slave which the bone can then whip data from
  • [11:56:42] <jackmitchell> assuming you want a real time controller and an ARM to do some heavy processing
  • [11:57:25] <smith_engr> spi slave is implemented on the pru?
  • [11:57:32] <_av500_> I still fail to see why a 1GHZ ARM cannot do what a small AVR can
  • [11:57:59] <jackmitchell> no, implement an SPI slave on the audrino and then talk to it over spi from the bone
  • [11:58:32] <mru> _av500_: obvious troll is obvious
  • [11:59:02] <mdp> we cannot mainline patches which are not mainline
  • [11:59:04] <smith_engr> give me a good use case of a PRU
  • [11:59:12] <jackmitchell> smith_engr: bitbanging
  • [11:59:17] <mru> smith_engr: realtime stuff
  • [11:59:23] <_av500_> real banging
  • [11:59:26] <mdp> mru, circular logic day?
  • [11:59:42] <mru> things that need fast response times or accurate timing
  • [11:59:56] <_av500_> there is fast_memcpy()
  • [12:02:27] <mdp> should have put faster_memcpy() as a gsoc suggestion
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  • [12:10:06] <smith_engr> Some confusion. 'assuming you want a real-time controller with arm to do heavy processing' the suggestion is to integrate with an external arduino
  • [12:10:27] <smith_engr> PRU is for 'bitbanging' 'realtime stuff'
  • [12:11:00] <smith_engr> why not dedicate a PRU as a controller and use the shared memory to communicate?
  • [12:11:01] <crashovrd> real-time means deterministic operation, not "runs really fast"
  • [12:11:26] <smith_engr> PID is deterministic
  • [12:11:35] <crashovrd> linux normally does not have deterministic operation
  • [12:12:01] <smith_engr> Read value1 -> operation -> output value2
  • [12:12:02] <mru> someone recently ran some tests on linux and measured >10ms with interrupts disabled
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  • [12:12:43] <mru> that's enough that you might notice it in interactive use
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  • [12:15:56] <smith_engr> so then yes... you would gain a lot of response time with a PID loop implemented on the pru
  • [12:16:14] <_av500_> of course
  • [12:17:31] <crashovrd> you can also just use a RTOS
  • [12:17:37] <smith_engr> I am just trying to feel if that is an appropriate idea
  • [12:18:08] <mru> crashovrd: the a8 core itself might not be suitable for realtime tasks
  • [12:18:16] <mru> way too many things that are hard to predict
  • [12:18:35] <mru> it's optimised for throughput, not determinism
  • [12:19:11] <crashovrd> given the same input, you will get the same output
  • [12:19:12] <_av500_> hmm, wasnt there an M3 on the bone too?
  • [12:19:14] <crashovrd> so its deterministic
  • [12:19:18] <koen> _av500_: there is
  • [12:19:29] <_av500_> koen: what does it do?
  • [12:19:40] <mru> crashovrd: there are so many input parameters that you can't meaningfully make such a statement
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  • [12:20:20] <bradfa> moaning channel
  • [12:20:48] <_av500_> koen: so, instead of mucking around in omap_mux, one mucks around in /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl?
  • [12:20:54] <crashovrd> isnt that like saying there are so many seed values, than you cant say rand is deterministic?
  • [12:21:06] <crashovrd> given the same input, the output is the same
  • [12:21:09] <bradfa> who's using rand()?
  • [12:21:17] * _av500_ uses 4
  • [12:21:32] <bradfa> seed it with another rand() call, that makes it more random
  • [12:22:02] <_av500_> triple rand()
  • [12:22:03] <bradfa> I attempted to explain why `rand() % 3072` was a bad idea...
  • [12:22:05] <_av500_> NSA approved
  • [12:22:15] <bradfa> double rot13
  • [12:22:16] <koen> _av500_: no pinctrl write support in debugfs
  • [12:22:29] <koen> _av500_: load a different dtbo if you want a different mux
  • [12:22:38] <_av500_> is that what bonescript does?
  • [12:22:52] <crashovrd> if arm was not deterministic, it would be a boon for security since it would be implied to be its own source of entropy
  • [12:23:07] <mru> define what you mean by deterministic
  • [12:23:17] <crashovrd> same input = same output
  • [12:23:19] <crashovrd> always
  • [12:23:21] <crashovrd> forever
  • [12:23:22] <mru> define input
  • [12:23:23] <crashovrd> on mine
  • [12:23:24] <crashovrd> on yours
  • [12:23:26] <koen> _av500_: dunno, I have a dtbo for all the things I work on, no idea on how to switch it at runtime
  • [12:23:36] <_av500_> koen: inst that what bonescript does?
  • [12:23:39] <_av500_> pinMode fo?
  • [12:23:41] <_av500_> foo
  • [12:23:42] <mru> if you mean running a given program on a given set of data, you'll get the same output, then yes
  • [12:23:54] <mru> but _when_ you get the output is very hard to say with any accuracy
  • [12:23:54] <_av500_> we are talking IRQ response times
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  • [12:27:31] <panto> _av500_, there is runtime pinmux switch mode support in pinmux-helper
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  • [12:27:46] <panto> _av500_, check out the tester cape
  • [12:28:27] <_av500_> panto: tester cape does not google
  • [12:28:41] <panto> check the firmware/capes directory of the kernel
  • [12:29:46] <_av500_> cape-bone-pinmux-test-00A0.dts
  • [12:29:47] <_av500_> this?
  • [12:31:30] <panto> firmware/capes/cape-bone-tester-00A0.dts
  • [12:31:41] <panto> checkout out fragment@4
  • [12:31:46] <panto> compatible = "bone-pinmux-helper"
  • [12:32:01] <_av500_> not in my kernel src
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  • [12:32:19] <panto> k, let me paste it
  • [12:32:24] <_av500_> guess I need to frankenpatch a newer one
  • [12:32:30] <_av500_> thx
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  • [12:32:52] <panto> http://pastebin.com/2tgzhkfV
  • [12:33:10] <panto> you should be able to figure out what it does
  • [12:33:50] <mdp> panto, not your most complex driver work ever ;)
  • [12:33:50] <_av500_> you think highly of me
  • [12:33:58] <panto> nope
  • [12:34:12] <panto> _av500_, I do, you're a ally against you know who
  • [12:34:14] <panto> ...
  • [12:34:17] <panto> say no more
  • [12:34:19] <_av500_> :)
  • [12:34:47] <mdp> panto, did linusw's pinmux debug interface stuff not work for this?
  • [12:35:04] <mdp> or this is cleaner given the dtbo feature, perhaps
  • [12:35:04] <panto> it might work
  • [12:35:21] <_av500_> so pinmux-helpe isa kernel driver?
  • [12:35:40] <panto> but a) this is cleaner from a DT perspective, b) it wasn't ready when we were doing it our way
  • [12:35:44] <panto> _av500_, yes
  • [12:35:50] <panto> a very small driver
  • [12:35:59] <mdp> panto, yeah, I was thinking they probably crossed paths
  • [12:36:01] <_av500_> panto: I have the latest bone image flashed
  • [12:36:10] <panto> it uses pinmux interfaces that already there
  • [12:36:12] <panto> *are
  • [12:36:14] <_av500_> and I am trying to figure out how bonescript pinmuxes
  • [12:36:27] <panto> it should use that
  • [12:36:33] <_av500_> this pinmux-helper is not there
  • [12:36:45] <_av500_> or I am blind
  • [12:36:53] <mdp> that one http://lwn.net/Articles/545790/ for those following along at home
  • [12:37:00] <panto> bonescript might compile the dtc and insert it online
  • [12:37:09] <panto> ask jason
  • [12:37:21] <panto> he was the guy that ask for it originally
  • [12:38:08] <_av500_> ah
  • [12:38:12] <_av500_> I see what it does
  • [12:38:19] <_av500_> it tries omap_mux
  • [12:38:27] <_av500_> and if that fails, it tries the helper
  • [12:38:31] <_av500_> says the comment :)
  • [12:38:32] <_av500_> not the code
  • [12:38:37] <panto> hehe
  • [12:38:47] <_av500_> // Don't exit yet --- need to try using pinmux-helper with devicetree // ... and it might work if the pin is already muxed to 7
  • [12:39:12] <_av500_> and if the mode is not 7 it fails
  • [12:39:24] <_av500_> so basically, it does not work
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  • [12:40:04] * panto shrugs
  • [12:40:09] * panto points at jason
  • [12:40:14] <_av500_> yes
  • [12:40:15] <_av500_> np
  • [12:40:26] <_av500_> just wanted to see the just-in-time dt magic
  • [12:40:30] <_av500_> I guess I need to wait
  • [12:40:31] <mdp> panto, would be nice to get that patch in an update..since it restores omap_mux-like functionality for those that prefer that.
  • [12:40:41] <panto> I guess so
  • [12:40:51] <panto> most complaints are about that
  • [12:41:11] <_av500_> I guess somebody will write a /dev/mem wrapper
  • [12:41:14] <_av500_> :)
  • [12:41:58] <_av500_> panto: if I e.g. remux SPI to GPIO
  • [12:42:03] <_av500_> but somebody has SPI open
  • [12:42:06] <_av500_> what happens?
  • [12:42:29] <mdp> panto, anyway, I've now mentioned it 3 different times to those that are empowered wrt beagle kernels, my work here is done ;)
  • [12:42:33] <panto> you can't with pinctl
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  • [12:42:40] <_av500_> no
  • [12:42:45] <_av500_> with bdtbo
  • [12:42:48] <_av500_> dtbo
  • [12:42:49] <_av500_> bdsm
  • [12:42:51] <bradfa> bsd?
  • [12:42:55] <_av500_> that newfangled stuff
  • [12:42:56] <bmercer> looks like the MLO and u-boot are different for beaglebone and beaglebone black
  • [12:43:07] <bmercer> where can I DL MLO and uboot for the black?
  • [12:43:15] <bradfa> git.denx.de?
  • [12:43:16] <panto> ok, if you use the normal method of having the driver request the pinctrl resources
  • [12:43:31] <panto> if another tries to grab it it will fail
  • [12:43:50] <panto> if you don't have a pinctl in your device node
  • [12:44:01] <panto> and use the pinmux-helper it will be allowed
  • [12:44:21] <bmercer> Are there compiled versions?
  • [12:44:22] <_av500_> ic
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  • [12:44:51] <panto> so, pinmux will help you not shoot your foot normally
  • [12:44:59] <bradfa> bmercer, extract them from official images is the only compiled versions I know of
  • [12:45:22] <bmercer> bradfa: can I get them from the one onboard?
  • [12:45:30] <jackmitchell> bmercer: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
  • [12:46:17] <bmercer> am I mistaken that the BB and BBB use different uboot and MLO?
  • [12:46:18] <_av500_> make CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux- am335x_evm
  • [12:46:22] <_av500_> bmercer: you are
  • [12:46:33] <_av500_> they work for both
  • [12:46:34] <bmercer> hrmmm, then I didn't see uboot come up over hdmi
  • [12:46:39] <koen> bmercer: uboot and MLO are the same for white and black
  • [12:46:41] <_av500_> of course not
  • [12:46:47] <_av500_> there is no hdmi driverin uboot
  • [12:46:50] <bmercer> ok
  • [12:46:58] <bmercer> so how do I tell it to boot of sdcard ?
  • [12:47:08] <_av500_> hold that button
  • [12:47:13] <_av500_> and power cycle
  • [12:47:18] <bmercer> ahhhh ok :)
  • [12:47:25] <bmercer> obviously I didn't rtfm enough
  • [12:47:33] <_av500_> I was to scold you
  • [12:47:45] <bmercer> S2 down by the sdcard?
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  • [12:48:21] <_av500_> yes
  • [12:48:23] <mirceag> hello guys, how do you feel about a last minute gsoc project proposal? is it worthwhile or am I just wasting my time?
  • [12:48:32] <_av500_> depends
  • [12:48:38] <_av500_> is it awesome?
  • [12:48:38] <bmercer> so then long term it needs to be installed to the onboard flash so that it will reboot properly
  • [12:48:39] <mirceag> I was interested in the android relate
  • [12:48:44] <mirceag> related stuff
  • [12:49:27] <mirceag> but I've seen that victor ungureanu has a really solid proposal for the android "bootloader"
  • [12:49:37] <_av500_> indeed
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  • [12:49:52] <bmercer> ok, openbsd is running on the black now :)
  • [12:50:04] <_av500_> with usb drivers?
  • [12:50:18] <crashovrd> with 3d and hdmi audio?
  • [12:50:27] <mirceag> there's still the android integration with armstrong
  • [12:50:39] <bmercer> we have usb drivers and ethernet
  • [12:50:44] <mirceag> but I don't really have any x11 experience
  • [12:50:45] <bmercer> maybe I can get it in tree today
  • [12:51:07] <_av500_> mirceag: there are proposals for that too
  • [12:52:20] <mirceag> the project was proposed for the 2012 edition, am I right?
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  • [12:52:49] <mirceag> the one trying to integrate android with armstrong
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  • [12:53:19] <koen> doping scandal?
  • [12:54:00] <_av500_> koen: that was videolan
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  • [12:55:19] <bmercer> so if I don't have my uenv setup properly there is no way to pass in commands to uboot
  • [12:55:30] <koen> bmercer: interupt it at boot
  • [12:55:50] <koen> press any key during the countdown
  • [12:56:21] <bmercer> I can't see the countdown
  • [12:56:34] <bmercer> or you're saying just hold the space bar or something
  • [12:57:03] <slug> hi, is there a way of subscribing to the beagle mailing list without using a google mail address?
  • [12:57:13] <jackmitchell> slug: it sounds like you could do with an FTDI serial cable
  • [12:57:26] <jackmitchell> s/slug/bmercer
  • [12:58:20] <bmercer> not on the black?
  • [12:58:22] <bmercer> oh
  • [12:58:28] <bmercer> yes, I get you
  • [12:58:33] <slug> i tried to send an email to beagleboard+subscribe@ , but i receive a "confirmation" email that sends me to a generic google groups subscribe page, which requires google email address.
  • [12:59:43] <koen> it doesn't require a google email address
  • [12:59:58] <koen> it requires a google account associated with your email address
  • [13:03:20] <slug> koen: well, which ends up being the same, i need to have a google account (g email address) to subscribe, I know that I can then use a different email to receive/post, just find it annoying that first requirement.
  • [13:05:07] <mru> koen: can we make the default image require users to sign in with their facebook account?
  • [13:05:38] <slug> mru: that's a joke right? :)
  • [13:05:44] <_av500_> slug: you dont need a gmail address
  • [13:05:47] <_av500_> but a google account
  • [13:05:53] <mru> is it friday?
  • [13:06:38] <koen> mru: sure
  • [13:08:55] <jackmitchell> Having a good old Friday giggle at the Phoronix comments
  • [13:09:07] <jackmitchell> this one in particular caught my eye
  • [13:09:15] <jackmitchell> Their focus should really be to make 100% sure there is unified support for the ARMv8 architecture from day one of ARMv8 chips coming to market.
  • [13:09:15] <jackmitchell> Just forget about ARMv7 and ARMv6. With the exception of Cortex 15 and S800, most of the other chips are too slow for Linux anyway, and they won't be used much in the future, so why bother getting unified support for ARMv7? Just get the support you need for specific chips that are very popular, like the Raspberry Pi (ARMv6), and Tegra 3 I guess, since it's in Nexus 7, and I've seen it's used by quite a few with Linux on it.
  • [13:10:11] <mru> 32-bit v8 isn't all that different from v7
  • [13:10:54] <bradfa> mru, it's one more cylinder, but not as balanced as a straight-6
  • [13:11:09] <mru> bradfa: ?
  • [13:11:12] <mru> oh
  • [13:11:15] <bradfa> :)
  • [13:11:19] <XorA> bradfa: :-D
  • [13:12:34] <bmercer> http://www.adafruit.com/products/954?gclid=CKXwusSA-rYCFc1DMgodsjgAZg
  • [13:12:46] <bmercer> will this work like a normal usb->serial device?
  • [13:13:07] <_av500_> yes
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  • [13:13:21] <bmercer> so I can take a normal usb cable and cut it and make one?
  • [13:13:25] <mdp> bradfa, LOL!
  • [13:13:26] <_av500_> no
  • [13:13:27] <bmercer> or is there other stuff in the plug
  • [13:13:34] <_av500_> bmercer: of course there is stuff in the plug
  • [13:13:37] <bmercer> ok
  • [13:13:39] <_av500_> usb is not serial
  • [13:13:41] <jackmitchell> bmercer: magic in the plug
  • [13:13:51] <bradfa> _av500_, usb is serial, it's universal too!
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  • [13:13:56] <koen> bradfa: your comments remind me how much I hated calculating cos(phi) for my EE coursework
  • [13:14:03] <mdp> bradfa, curious on the cylinder firing order and timing balance on a v7 ;)
  • [13:14:10] <bradfa> balance! ha!
  • [13:14:14] <mdp> :)
  • [13:14:17] <_av500_> mdp: why?
  • [13:14:24] <_av500_> just arranges them all 360/7 apart
  • [13:14:27] <_av500_> -s
  • [13:14:32] <bradfa> the germans are probably the only ones who can figure it out
  • [13:14:35] <mdp> yep
  • [13:14:41] <_av500_> there a 3cyl engines
  • [13:14:50] <bradfa> 'mericans can only do even numbered cylinders
  • [13:14:56] <XorA> I have driven a 3 cylinder
  • [13:15:04] <bradfa> XorA, was it german or japanese?
  • [13:15:08] <XorA> was the skoda I learned to drive in
  • [13:15:08] <mdp> I had a v7 back in high school...because the one ring was shot and it usually didn't fire
  • [13:15:15] <mdp> shaky shaky
  • [13:15:18] <bmercer> so, what's the chip in the cable, uftdi?
  • [13:15:21] <XorA> bradfa: skoda is I think VW?
  • [13:15:24] <bradfa> now, yes
  • [13:15:24] <shapr> I just had a long conversation about angle and number of cylinders with my friend last month.
  • [13:15:30] <_av500_> bmercer: no
  • [13:15:34] <_av500_> horrific
  • [13:15:58] <bmercer> I'm just trying to figure out if it will work on an openbsd host
  • [13:16:06] <_av500_> ah
  • [13:16:10] <_av500_> prolific
  • [13:16:11] <bmercer> without too much hacking
  • [13:16:19] <_av500_> but there are also ftdi drivers
  • [13:16:20] <Crofton|work> I used to own a car with thtree cylinders
  • [13:16:20] <XorA> heh I guess actually my car was three cyclinder when I got it as well, one coil was busted!
  • [13:16:24] <_av500_> er, cables
  • [13:16:53] <bmercer> PL-2303?
  • [13:16:57] <_av500_> yes
  • [13:17:00] <_av500_> that prolific
  • [13:17:03] <Crofton|work> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Justy
  • [13:17:03] <bmercer> we do support that
  • [13:17:07] <bradfa> justy!
  • [13:17:08] <_av500_> btw, no cylinder ftw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankel_engine
  • [13:17:36] <shapr> _av500_: Technically it still has two combustion chambers, the navy's new continuous combustion engine is the way to go.
  • [13:17:49] <bradfa> rockets have continuous combustion, too
  • [13:17:51] <bmercer> hrmm hrmm hrmmm
  • [13:18:05] <bradfa> and justin beiber cut-outs
  • [13:18:06] <mru> _av500_: didn't mazda use a wankel engine in one of their cars?
  • [13:18:13] <mirceag> them cylinders are called rotors on the wankel if i remember correctly
  • [13:18:14] <bradfa> mru, yes, lots of them
  • [13:18:24] <bradfa> also bit on motorcycles
  • [13:18:25] <shapr> mru: Yah, the RX7 was the popular wankel
  • [13:18:25] <mirceag> you, rx7, rx8
  • [13:18:31] <mirceag> yop, rx7, rx8
  • [13:18:44] <jackmitchell> I can't take all this talk of wankel seriously
  • [13:18:44] <shapr> bradfa: wankel motorcycles? really?
  • [13:18:44] <mdp> yep plenty of wankels around
  • [13:18:59] <bradfa> shapr, that's what I'm lead to beleive
  • [13:19:00] <mdp> and yet, wankel is almost as funny as dongle
  • [13:19:05] <mdp> like a friday conversation
  • [13:19:11] <bradfa> my wankel dongle isn't universal
  • [13:19:27] <jackmitchell> ice cream van friday, yay!
  • [13:19:38] <XorA> with conversations like this people will get thrown out and lose their jobs ;-)
  • [13:19:41] <shapr> The wankel has more 'admin overhead' than the standard internal combustion, but less overhead per 'slice' added, so I would have expected large powerful cars to be built with the wankel.
  • [13:19:45] <mdp> bradfa, time to hit the napdesk pillow and forget about wankel dongles
  • [13:19:56] <bradfa> sleepy sleepy :)
  • [13:19:58] * shapr shrugs
  • [13:20:03] * bradfa gets back to msp430 madness
  • [13:20:09] * shapr goes back to beaglebone black madness
  • [13:20:22] * jackmitchell goes back to his 99
  • [13:20:46] <shapr> So, does the bonescript set values in /proc or what? Can I write Python scripts to do the same GPIO pin state changes?
  • [13:20:52] * panto goes to read gsoc madness
  • [13:21:14] <panto> shapr, sysfs
  • [13:21:39] <shapr> panto: So I can echo 1 > /A8/13 or something?
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  • [13:21:48] <panto> yes
  • [13:21:52] <panto> after you get muxing right
  • [13:22:04] <mirceag> you can also do it on your android phone
  • [13:22:05] <_av500_> which is easy peasy
  • [13:22:10] <bmercer> I wonder if there is a way to source one of those cables locally
  • [13:22:11] <mirceag> toggle stuff around from sysfs
  • [13:22:17] <bmercer> if it's something microcenter would have
  • [13:22:17] <_av500_> bmercer: locally?
  • [13:22:19] <bmercer> radio shack
  • [13:22:37] <shapr> For post-work weirdness, here's a link to the Navy's rotating detonation-wave engines research: http://www.greencarcongress.com/2012/11/rdwe-20121102.html
  • [13:22:38] <_av500_> us?
  • [13:22:41] <_av500_> ah
  • [13:22:46] <_av500_> locally as in walk there
  • [13:22:50] <bmercer> _av500_: yup, i'm in NE ohio
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  • [13:23:00] <_av500_> mdp is in ohio, no?
  • [13:23:04] <bmercer> or drive and get it because I'm working from home today if you catch my drift ;)
  • [13:23:10] <bmercer> mdp?
  • [13:23:11] <shapr> panto: Er, is there someplace I can read up on why muxing is a problem?
  • [13:23:33] <_av500_> bmercer: there are some nokia cables that are basically usb2 serial
  • [13:23:41] <_av500_> your local shack might have them in the "odd" bin
  • [13:23:54] <_av500_> shapr: todays backlog
  • [13:23:57] <shapr> ok, thanks
  • [13:24:28] <shapr> Oh that is helpful!
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  • [13:24:39] <Alex______> hi, i'm trying to use beaglebone to capture audio from i2s. Do you know how can i proceed to do it ?
  • [13:25:13] <_av500_> what is the source?
  • [13:25:16] <mdp> bmercer, yep, wadsworth, west of akron
  • [13:25:34] <mirceag> since I'm not going to get accepted on a gsoc project, I think I'll buy a bone black and tinker with it. Does anyone know when will Farnell have them in stock? I must mention I'm from europe
  • [13:25:35] <bmercer> that's right by me
  • [13:25:40] <mdp> where you at?
  • [13:25:47] <_av500_> mirceag: digikey has them
  • [13:25:48] <bmercer> near cleveland
  • [13:25:59] <_av500_> or e.g. conrad in germany
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  • [13:26:03] <_av500_> or france
  • [13:26:07] <_av500_> see the list
  • [13:26:09] <_av500_> pick one
  • [13:26:11] <jackmitchell> mirceag: farnell told me 2 weeks 1 week ago
  • [13:26:13] <mdp> bmercer, cool, I have to head to the big city there sometimes for entertainment purposes ;)
  • [13:26:26] <jackmitchell> mirceag: depends how desperate you are to get one
  • [13:26:26] <bmercer> mdp: I'm more specifically in Mantua
  • [13:27:05] <mirceag> jackmitchell: not that desperate
  • [13:27:23] <mdp> bmercer, we're practically neighbors ;)
  • [13:27:29] <_av500_> hug
  • [13:27:30] <jackmitchell> mirceag: well if you like farnell they'll have them in a week (supposedly)
  • [13:27:35] <bmercer> from an internet perspective we're far too close!
  • [13:27:41] <mdp> bmercer, cbrake is also local to us, fwiw
  • [13:27:48] <mdp> group hug!
  • [13:27:49] <bmercer> do they have those cables?
  • [13:28:15] <shapr> Any beaglers in the southeast USA? Near/in Alabama?
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  • [13:28:59] <mdp> bmercer, which cable?
  • [13:29:05] <_av500_> usb2serious
  • [13:29:06] <bmercer> the usb ttl
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  • [13:29:26] <_av500_> mdp: maybe the BBB should have an FTDI on board :)
  • [13:29:27] <mdp> I generally order everything, but you might call philcap in downtown akron
  • [13:29:52] <mdp> _av500_, I think it should have everything on board...and be $299
  • [13:30:10] <_av500_> mdp: not enough for the 4k display
  • [13:30:19] <_av500_> and the nuclear battery
  • [13:30:30] <mdp> add a bcm2835 coproc for 1080p
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  • [13:30:38] <_av500_> and an AVR
  • [13:30:38] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/YWZTyg
  • [13:30:38] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 419e44c Koen Kooi: 3.8: camera and hdmi audio improvements...
  • [13:30:56] <_av500_> and a gun detector
  • [13:31:00] <_av500_> gun shot
  • [13:31:06] <mdp> bmercer, philcap is the only serious electronics retailer for non-mainstream stuff I know of in this area
  • [13:31:14] <bmercer> never heard of them
  • [13:31:18] <bmercer> I'll just order it
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  • [13:31:35] <mdp> yeah, I'm a slave to amazon prime
  • [13:31:47] <mdp> or the .cn express for non-time critical things
  • [13:31:47] <Alex______> hi, i'm trying to use beaglebone to capture audio from i2s. Do you know how can i proceed to do it ?
  • [13:31:50] <bmercer> _av500_: the lack of a standard serial interface on board is a little painful
  • [13:31:58] <bmercer> but I see why you didn't do usb->serial
  • [13:32:12] <mdp> bmercer, it was a cost reduction thing
  • [13:32:19] <bmercer> yes and power
  • [13:32:46] <mdp> but mostly the target was cost..I can assure you of that..having been the proverbial fly on the wall during those discussions
  • [13:33:02] <mdp> *cough* rpi
  • [13:33:23] <bmercer> I'd gladly pay 50 dollars instead of 45
  • [13:33:32] <bmercer> to not have to pay 17 bucks including shipping for the cable
  • [13:33:33] <bmercer> OR
  • [13:33:38] <bmercer> just include the freaking cable
  • [13:33:46] <shapr> I do hope the next version of the beaglebone will use a micro-b usb plug.
  • [13:34:00] <mdp> I had this perspective where it made me happy to have the header for UART0
  • [13:34:03] <jackmitchell> is there no way to wire out a uart to get regular serial?
  • [13:34:13] <jackmitchell> mdp :)
  • [13:34:15] <bmercer> jackmitchell: that's what it seems
  • [13:34:46] <mdp> I prefer real rs-232..and the original beaglebone is a s/w management pita when using the rs-232 capes..cause I need a custom u-boot and dts patch to use uart4
  • [13:34:58] <bmercer> yes
  • [13:34:59] <bmercer> that too
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  • [13:35:19] <agmlego> bmercer: You can get "real serial" by using a MAX3232.
  • [13:35:34] <mdp> they figure the hobbyists will deal with a serial songle
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  • [13:35:43] <bmercer> I've got LOTS of serial crap
  • [13:35:51] <bmercer> I don't have a usb cable with serial chip in it
  • [13:36:06] <mru> always keep a few of those on your desk
  • [13:36:13] <mru> and level shifters
  • [13:36:15] <agmlego> bmercer: Then I recommend the FTDI Friend from Sparkfun.
  • [13:36:22] <agmlego> Or six, they are cheap.
  • [13:36:23] <mdp> bmercer, you could get everything for real rs-232 over at philcap ;)
  • [13:36:40] <bmercer> mdp: ok, link or it didn't happen
  • [13:37:10] <mdp> l hav
  • [13:37:28] <mirceag> bmercer: do you have a samung phone? they usually have a usb mux so you can get uart through the usb port
  • [13:37:29] <mdp> https://plus.google.com/101074383993121449513/about?gl=us&hl=en
  • [13:38:23] <bmercer> no, no phone :(
  • [13:38:29] <bmercer> got smashed on a recent bike ride
  • [13:38:45] <mdp> bmercer, if they don't have a usb->ttl, I know they have max3232 or equiv, breadboard, dsub 9s, etc.
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  • [13:39:25] <mdp> bike down to market st. :) it looks like a war-time bunker like all good low-rent district store fronts
  • [13:39:33] <bmercer> lol
  • [13:39:43] <bmercer> I was down at bridgestone the other day
  • [13:39:45] <bmercer> sheesh
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  • [13:41:55] <bmercer> ok, so usb->serial->wires
  • [13:41:59] <bmercer> I have that in my basement ;)
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  • [13:58:43] <xenoxaos> bmercer: where are you from?
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  • [14:55:32] <bender> anyone used beagle black for i2c yet?
  • [14:56:37] <koen> works the same as white
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  • [14:57:16] <cmicali> BBB on hacker news today https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5648602
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  • [14:58:10] <bender> i'm having a timeout issue
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  • [14:58:51] <bender> and the manual states that those pins must have the pullup resistors activated in order to avoid the timeout error
  • [14:59:42] <bender> however "pinMode" is "under development" in the 3.8 kernel. So, not sure how to verify that they're activated.
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  • [15:03:52] <bmercer> let me guess, these leds light up for MLO, uboot, then kernel?
  • [15:04:02] <bmercer> so if I hvae two it didn't make it all the way :)
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  • [15:06:15] <koen> all in uboot
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  • [15:06:51] <bmercer> ok
  • [15:06:59] <_av500_> cmicali: heh, I spotted you on hn the other day :)
  • [15:07:10] <mru> _av500_: stalker!
  • [15:07:16] <cmicali> _av500_: saying something stupid no doubt
  • [15:07:24] <_av500_> forgot
  • [15:08:08] <cmicali> i would kill for a hacker news replacement where the average age was 10 years older than HN
  • [15:08:22] <cmicali> i would pay >$500/yr subscription to such a site
  • [15:08:26] <simily22> Hi guys, does anyone know what the new delay function that bonescript uses? seems like everything has a "b." infront like b.digitalWrite
  • [15:08:29] <_av500_> well, hn is already 20ys older than slashdot
  • [15:08:44] <simily22> b.delay doesn't seem to work
  • [15:09:00] <_av500_> there goes plan b.
  • [15:09:11] <bender> anyone know what happened to the /sys/kernel/debug/omap_mux in 3.8 kernel?
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  • [15:09:15] <mru> branch delay?
  • [15:09:28] <_av500_> bender: its gone
  • [15:09:35] <_av500_> dtb is the new rage
  • [15:10:00] <ka6sox-away> welcome to DT H.....
  • [15:10:03] <mru> the new rage-inducer
  • [15:10:05] <bender> is there a way i can check if i2c pins 19/20 have pullup enabled?
  • [15:10:31] <koen> bender: check pinctrl
  • [15:10:34] <_av500_> /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl
  • [15:10:36] <bender> getting nothing but timeout errors for i2c
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  • [15:11:14] <_av500_> koen: btw, I love how we are back to magic numbers in 2013: 44e10800.pinmux
  • [15:11:20] <grantsmith> huh.. my bb black just arrived. I thought they were supposed to include the power supply ?
  • [15:11:27] <_av500_> n
  • [15:11:29] <_av500_> no
  • [15:11:34] <_av500_> where did you see that listed?
  • [15:11:36] <woglinde> grantsmith look at your order
  • [15:11:42] <cmicali> grantsmith: no, but you can use the USB port to supply power
  • [15:11:52] <grantsmith> not sure.. in a comparison with the rasp pi i think...
  • [15:11:58] <woglinde> lol
  • [15:12:02] <woglinde> there we have it
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  • [15:12:13] <woglinde> 2nd round
  • [15:12:22] <koen> _av500_: I know
  • [15:12:23] <woglinde> no power no sdcard
  • [15:12:25] <grantsmith> damn innerwebz and its falso information :p
  • [15:12:31] <simily22> so i'm guessing there is no more delay function anymore?
  • [15:12:32] <koen> _av500_: I did an ELC talk about it :)
  • [15:12:36] <woglinde> bad bad BBB
  • [15:12:46] <mru> BBBBB
  • [15:12:55] <_av500_> BBBBBBB
  • [15:13:02] <_av500_> bad bad BBB boot button
  • [15:13:19] <_av500_> koen: and nobody cares?
  • [15:13:38] <grantsmith> any recommendations for a sd card ?
  • [15:13:43] <bmercer> yes, get one
  • [15:13:43] <woglinde> lol
  • [15:13:54] <_av500_> grantsmith: sandisk or samsung
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  • [15:14:01] <grantsmith> oh you guys are full of useful info today.
  • [15:14:01] <mru> what _av500_ said
  • [15:14:06] <woglinde> I would use the emmc
  • [15:14:08] <grantsmith> ty _av500_
  • [15:14:15] <ka6sox-away> _av500_, +1
  • [15:14:21] <mru> woglinde: maybe he needs something removable
  • [15:14:26] <mru> or higher capacity
  • [15:14:27] <cmicali> grantsmith: if you need an sd card, sandisk fast one is worth it
  • [15:14:29] <woglinde> mru he has rpi
  • [15:14:34] <_av500_> I managed to get 500MB/s out of my sandisk today
  • [15:14:35] <woglinde> so he needs sdcard
  • [15:14:39] <_av500_> :)
  • [15:14:41] <ka6sox-away> or he doesn't want to BURN 10 pins
  • [15:14:47] <woglinde> av500 yes that was awesome
  • [15:14:48] <_av500_> +1
  • [15:14:49] <bmercer> ok, time to wire up a serial cable already
  • [15:15:00] <cmicali> grantsmith: http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-Performance-Memory-SDSDX3-008G-P31/dp/B002GEQDK4
  • [15:15:22] <_av500_> I have the Sandisk Ultra
  • [15:15:25] <_av500_> 5GB
  • [15:15:27] <_av500_> 4GB
  • [15:15:31] <_av500_> 10MB/s write, 18 read
  • [15:15:41] <_av500_> sequential
  • [15:15:41] <cmicali> the class 10 is nice at least for writing from another machine, has saved me time
  • [15:16:00] <_av500_> cmicali: microsd
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  • [15:16:09] <cmicali> duh
  • [15:16:11] <cmicali> wrong lnk
  • [15:16:14] <grantsmith> thanks. ok one more dumbass question. does emmc have the same limitations on number of writes before failure that other flash non-volitile storage has ?
  • [15:16:20] <_av500_> sure
  • [15:16:21] <koen> yes
  • [15:16:26] <koen> same NAND underneath
  • [15:16:30] <woglinde> excatly
  • [15:16:32] <_av500_> inside
  • [15:16:33] <grantsmith> ok.
  • [15:16:33] <ka6sox> and its soldered on too :)
  • [15:16:37] <mru> _av500_: the samsung SSDs in my laptop deliver 500MB/s each
  • [15:16:46] <_av500_> mru: mine too
  • [15:16:51] <_av500_> that was what I measured :)
  • [15:16:54] <woglinde> mru map it to sdb
  • [15:16:56] <cmicali> grantsmith: sorry http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/886011-REG/SanDisk_sdsdqui_008g_a11_8GB_microSDHC_Memory_Card.html that's the one I'm using
  • [15:17:08] <woglinde> for fast sdcard support
  • [15:17:08] <grantsmith> cmicali, many thanks
  • [15:17:13] <_av500_> cmicali: same here
  • [15:17:18] <_av500_> red racing stripes ftw
  • [15:17:30] <woglinde> av500 no checked ones?
  • [15:17:30] <cmicali> the red makes it faster
  • [15:17:40] <_av500_> checkered
  • [15:17:41] <mru> _av500_: and with raid0 it gets really fast
  • [15:17:42] <cmicali> something about the paint polarity
  • [15:17:49] <cmicali> with red dye
  • [15:18:02] <_av500_> copper free oxygrn
  • [15:18:05] <_av500_> oxygen
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  • [15:18:07] <cmicali> yes
  • [15:18:28] <cmicali> same effect that makes those monster hdmi cables so fast
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  • [15:18:54] <mru> cmicali: I actually had to replace an hdmi cable recently
  • [15:19:10] <mru> the old one gave an intermittent picture
  • [15:19:10] <cmicali> mru: corrosion?
  • [15:19:11] <_av500_> mru: colors worn out?
  • [15:19:14] <cmicali> haha
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  • [15:19:20] <mru> no idea what's wrong with it
  • [15:19:22] <bmercer> zing!
  • [15:19:37] <mru> it works fine with some source/sink pairs
  • [15:19:40] <mru> fails with others
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  • [15:19:45] <cmicali> monoprice cable?
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  • [15:19:49] <cmicali> i've had one or two of those fail
  • [15:19:55] <cmicali> but i think just bad soldering on the connectors
  • [15:19:59] <mru> I don't remember where it came from
  • [15:20:07] <mru> but it's not the worst of the crop
  • [15:20:08] <_av500_> we have hdmi cables from china that only bend a couply of times
  • [15:20:13] <_av500_> couple
  • [15:20:16] <cmicali> yeah the mono price ones are like that
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  • [15:20:18] <mru> the really cheap ones look like they'd fail in a matter of minutes
  • [15:20:19] <cmicali> that i got
  • [15:20:27] <cmicali> good for 3 conncetions
  • [15:20:39] <cmicali> so choose wisely what you plug it into
  • [15:20:42] <cmicali> you may not be able to change it
  • [15:20:48] <_av500_> hot glue it
  • [15:21:09] <XorA> :-D
  • [15:21:52] <mru> mono price, mono use?
  • [15:22:15] <_av500_> stereo pain
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  • [15:25:45] <sandy87> #i am new to beagle bone
  • [15:26:34] <woglinde> we are all new sometimes
  • [15:26:35] <jackmitchell> has anyone had a play with the D language, it keeps cropping up and wondered if anyone has an informed opinion?
  • [15:27:08] <woglinde> jackmitchell hm I will learn smalltalk and then I have learned enough langs
  • [15:27:43] <bender> in pinctrl how would I go about checking if the internal pullups are enabled?
  • [15:28:26] <panto> dump the values and check them
  • [15:29:19] <jackmitchell> woglinde: heh, I quite like the idea of D as it's not so dissimilar from C but without the uglyness of C++
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  • [15:30:24] <bender> i'm not sure how to dump the value of what i'm looking for
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  • [15:31:03] <bender> sorry, i'm looking to make sure the internal pullups are enabled for i2c1
  • [15:31:28] <panto> cat /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl/44e10800.pinmux/pinmux-pins
  • [15:31:38] <jackmitchell> i2c1 is already enabled and working with the eeprom, correct?
  • [15:32:01] <panto> find out which registers mux the pins
  • [15:32:09] <panto> jackmitchell, I2C0 & I2C2
  • [15:32:16] <panto> I2C1 is not enabled by default
  • [15:32:25] <_av500_> pin 94 (44e10978): 4819c000.i2c (GPIO UNCLAIMED) function pinmux_i2c2_pins group pinmux_i2c2_pins
  • [15:32:39] <_av500_> now, what are the magic values here?
  • [15:32:40] <woglinde> jackmitchell look at smalltalk and wonder why nobody programms with it
  • [15:32:57] <jackmitchell> ah, yes; I remember now, i2c1 is actually i2c2 as it's a count...
  • [15:32:58] <panto> err, it's at pins
  • [15:33:04] <panto> cat /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl/44e10800.pinmux/pins
  • [15:33:24] <panto> _av500_, thanks you nitpicker
  • [15:33:25] <_av500_> pin 94 (44e10978) 00000073 pinctrl-single
  • [15:33:38] <jackmitchell> woglinde: I will do, I had a quick look many moons ago but it didn't strike me; if I remember correctly it all seemed very segmented
  • [15:33:50] <_av500_> panto: no really, what is it?
  • [15:33:56] <_av500_> 44e10978 is the registetr
  • [15:34:04] <_av500_> what is 4819c000?
  • [15:34:10] <panto> pinmux-pins contains the user of the pins
  • [15:34:17] <panto> pins contain the value stored at the register
  • [15:34:21] <_av500_> ah
  • [15:35:04] * panto admits of having a dev2mem userspace script to dump values for various registers
  • [15:35:17] <_av500_> cheater
  • [15:35:39] * KotH admits of having a crystal ball to analyse the internal state of cpus
  • [15:35:55] <panto> http://pastebin.com/P1VmmW1R
  • [15:35:57] * _av500_ admits having a large hammer
  • [15:36:09] <_av500_> to bring CPUs into consistent state
  • [15:36:09] * KotH slowly backs away from anujdeshpande
  • [15:36:10] * mru admits to rarely doing any real work anyway
  • [15:36:10] <KotH> er..
  • [15:36:14] * KotH slowly backs away from _av500_
  • [15:36:40] <bender> ok, i'm following. does that indicate that the pullups are enabled?
  • [15:36:47] * KotH didnt do any serious work today either... beside finding another silicon bug in an atmel cpu
  • [15:37:25] <anujdeshpande> KotH, too much spam updates ??
  • [15:37:48] <KotH> anujdeshpande: that and you might eat my chocolate
  • [15:38:52] <anujdeshpande> KotH, open source is all about sharing .. code , chocolates.. its all the same !
  • [15:39:10] * KotH will guard his chocolate against all foes
  • [15:39:33] <ka6sox> KotH, send Chocolate
  • [15:39:50] <KotH> ka6sox: come to elce
  • [15:40:05] <ka6sox> KotH, okay...let me start planning on that
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  • [15:40:52] <woglinde> jackmitchell one nice feature is you can shutdown the smalltalk container copy it and start it and it has the same state after the shutdown
  • [15:41:17] <woglinde> very nice for customer failures you can not reproduce
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  • [15:42:22] <_av500_> bender: see the register values
  • [15:42:27] <_av500_> then check the TRM
  • [15:42:27] <KotH> .o0(i should have a look at smaltalk)
  • [15:42:56] <KotH> woglinde: any recomendation for a good smalltalk book/tutorial/... ?
  • [15:44:12] <koen> KotH: visit texas, people love smalltalk
  • [15:45:57] <KotH> i doubt they can teach me smalltalk...
  • [15:47:45] <mru> koen: I thought everything was bigger in texas
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  • [15:49:20] <ssi> bigtalk
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  • [15:51:05] <bender> thank you for the help, but could you be more specific. I don't know how to check the register values or where to check TRM
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  • [16:01:13] <mranostay> morninglololo
  • [16:01:21] <KotH> bender: if you dont know where to check the TRM, you might want to skim trough all of it to get a feel what is written where
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  • [16:01:45] <KotH> mranostay: moin.. how is your head?
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  • [16:03:18] <levi> The TRM has a nice table of contents section that makes it really easy to find the registers you're looking for.
  • [16:03:47] <KotH> levi: psssst! that's advanced stuff!
  • [16:03:59] <KotH> we'll cover that in the next lesson
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  • [16:04:12] <bender> we're talking AM335x TRM right?
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  • [16:05:39] <mranostay> KotH: attached
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  • [16:07:25] <levi> That's what I was talking about anyway, though most of the TI TRMs I've seen are constructed similarly.
  • [16:10:00] <bender> in the section for i2c Registers I don't see reference to Pullup resistor registers
  • [16:10:34] <bender> in the beaglebone Manual it states When no capes are installed the internal pullup resistors must be activated inside the processor to prevent I2C timeouts on the I2C bus
  • [16:10:35] <ka6sox> bender, its part of the DT settings
  • [16:10:49] <ka6sox> (assuming you are using 3.8 or later)
  • [16:11:08] <ka6sox> that is kernel 3.8
  • [16:11:52] <bender> yes i'm on 3.8
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  • [16:12:18] <ka6sox> then depending on what capes are loaded the pinmuxing takes care of that.
  • [16:12:19] <woglinde> koth smalltalk is not for you
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  • [16:12:29] <woglinde> koth runs not on msp
  • [16:12:37] <KotH> lol
  • [16:12:47] <ka6sox> Forth
  • [16:13:00] <mru> ka6sox: not until tomorrow
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  • [16:13:19] <woglinde> koth and its all about oo in smalltalk
  • [16:13:22] <ka6sox> thats Fourth
  • [16:13:32] <woglinde> and you programm diretcly with the ui
  • [16:13:37] <woglinde> in the smalltalk container
  • [16:13:39] <ka6sox> object obfuscation?
  • [16:13:46] <KotH> woglinde: i'm quite sure one could build an linux emulator on an msp430 and run smalltalk in linux :)
  • [16:13:48] <mru> woglinde: sounds very academic
  • [16:13:53] <bender> ok, no "capes" installed. Just have an i2c enabled temp/humidity sensor. When connected i get timeouts. Sensor works fine, tested it with something else.
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  • [16:14:01] <mru> koen: can the msp430 address enough memory?
  • [16:14:19] <mru> KotH: ^^
  • [16:14:21] <KotH> mru: 20bit is enough for everyone
  • [16:14:22] <woglinde> mru no no
  • [16:14:30] <ka6sox> bender, which i2cX are you attempting to use?
  • [16:14:37] <KotH> woglinde: i'm a c guy, but i'm not against oo either
  • [16:14:41] <mru> I suppose you could bitbang more memory
  • [16:14:54] <bender> i2c1
  • [16:15:10] <ka6sox> I dont' think thats enabled by default
  • [16:15:14] <bender> using i2cdetect -y -r 1
  • [16:15:36] <ka6sox> there might be a way to load an overlay with that but I've not done that before.
  • [16:15:38] <bender> in /dev it lists only i2c0 & i2c1
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  • [16:16:55] <bender> in /sys/class/i2c-adapter also only lists the above mentioned
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  • [16:19:41] <ka6sox> bender, have you played with DT?
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  • [16:20:29] <bender> no i have not, and i'm not sure what DT is short for.. sorry
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  • [16:20:43] <ka6sox> sorry, Device Tree in the kernel
  • [16:21:06] <KotH> ka6sox: if i would want to learn more about HF electronics design... where would you recommend me to start?
  • [16:21:12] <KotH> ka6sox: any good books or so around?
  • [16:22:29] <bender> what would i be doing with this?
  • [16:22:29] <ka6sox> HF as in 3-30Mhz or something higher?
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  • [16:22:45] <KotH> ka6sox: both :)
  • [16:22:50] <woglinde> koth for smalltalk -> http://www.pharo-project.org/documentation/tutorials-books
  • [16:22:58] <KotH> well.. <30MHz can be considered as DC these days...
  • [16:23:05] <ka6sox> heh
  • [16:23:06] <KotH> woglinde: domo
  • [16:23:12] <woglinde> what?
  • [16:23:21] <panto> l8rs
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  • [16:23:28] <KotH> woglinde: domo = jap equiv of thanks
  • [16:23:33] <mru> this mains transformer here disagrees
  • [16:23:48] <woglinde> o.O
  • [16:23:51] <ka6sox> KotH, a bit later would be good...finishing up with GSoC stuff..maybe in 1hrs?
  • [16:23:56] <woglinde> better pay your choclate
  • [16:23:57] <KotH> sure
  • [16:24:02] <KotH> ka6sox: i'm not in a hurry :)
  • [16:24:19] <KotH> woglinde: apropos...
  • [16:24:24] <yogi> are there any known issues with the UART port on rev A5A? I am trying to use a Sparkfun FTDI USB-to-TTL adapter, and I'm getting 'framing errors'
  • [16:24:49] <yogi> using the right baud rate, and the right pins; the voltage on TX is 3.3; the board is powered from an external brick
  • [16:24:52] <ka6sox> oh, never mind
  • [16:24:58] <ka6sox> its OVER
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  • [16:37:41] <KotH> _av500_, woglinde: http://i.imgur.com/9QUdlPI.png
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  • [16:45:02] <Calc> I'm trying out the ubuntu 13.04 image (off an sd card), can anyone give me tips on how to get a gui going
  • [16:45:05] * bradfa had coffee with cream and sugar this morning. that was a mistake
  • [16:45:12] <mru> that it sure was
  • [16:45:25] <mru> coffee should be black as midnight on a moonless night
  • [16:45:37] <bradfa> I now have a proper coffee
  • [16:45:46] <bradfa> well, as proper as can be made at the office
  • [16:46:00] <mru> you could bring your own gear
  • [16:46:02] <bender> Calc > apt will install all xserver-drivers
  • [16:46:12] <bradfa> mru, I've considered that
  • [16:46:34] <bender> install your GUI of choice and edit xorg.conf to use "fbdev" driver rather than "omapfb"
  • [16:46:54] <woglinde> bender he did not tell on which device he is installing
  • [16:46:57] <Calc> apt-get install <gui?>.... (I haven't done a lot of linux from scratch)
  • [16:47:10] <Calc> beaglebone black
  • [16:47:22] <bender> Calc > which device are you using?
  • [16:47:25] <bradfa> Calc, apt-get install gnome ?
  • [16:47:53] <bender> on beaglebone black i did the following on both 13.04 and 12.10
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  • [16:48:04] <bender> sudo apt-get install gnome-core
  • [16:48:22] <woglinde> I would use lxde
  • [16:48:31] <woglinde> gnome is to heavy and overloaded
  • [16:48:32] <bradfa> I would use xfce4
  • [16:48:39] <mru> twm
  • [16:48:43] <bradfa> fluxbox!
  • [16:48:47] <Calc> I saw a command to spin up lxde, is that already in the image?
  • [16:48:52] <woglinde> hm let me check the haskell wm
  • [16:48:53] <mru> olvwm!
  • [16:49:02] <bradfa> i3?
  • [16:49:06] <mru> cde
  • [16:49:11] <bradfa> +1 for cde
  • [16:49:18] <bender> once finished boot to terminal ctrl+alt+F1 and edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
  • [16:49:23] <mru> it's not as bad as gnome
  • [16:49:29] <mru> and that's saying something about gnome
  • [16:49:46] <KotH> what was the thing called that solaris came with before cde?
  • [16:49:49] <KotH> opensomething
  • [16:49:53] <mru> olvwm
  • [16:49:58] <bender> agreed, gnome was for example only...choose whatever you like best
  • [16:49:59] <mru> openlook
  • [16:50:19] <bradfa> framebuffer console not good enough these days?
  • [16:50:31] <mru> who needs a console?
  • [16:50:55] <bender> you'll probably need to "sudo apt-get install vim"...not sure if nano is installed by default but i'm certain vim is not
  • [16:51:14] <mru> that's stupid
  • [16:51:15] <chupacabra> +2 for cde
  • [16:51:26] <KotH> mru: it really is
  • [16:51:29] <mru> some kind of vi should always be present
  • [16:51:32] <woglinde> ah xmonad
  • [16:51:41] <woglinde> 4dwm
  • [16:51:44] <KotH> mru: there is a castrated vi on ubuntus
  • [16:52:00] <KotH> mru: but nano is $EDITOR by default
  • [16:52:02] <chupacabra> fedora ships with vi
  • [16:52:38] * KotH could never get the hang of tiling wm's
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  • [16:53:00] <Spirilis> hmm X11-wise, is there any glx drivers to use the GPU onboard for 3D?
  • [16:53:10] <KotH> maybe i'm just too much used to working on a 640x480 screen with two dozen windows per desktop
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  • [16:53:55] <mru> KotH: overlapping windows are a must
  • [16:54:05] <mru> and raise-on-click is evil
  • [16:54:19] <KotH> mru: yeah
  • [16:54:33] <KotH> mru: but who does that these days? only old farts like us
  • [16:54:36] <mru> windows 1.0 was tiling
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  • [16:56:00] <KotH> chupacabra: i guess you are pre-ubuntu generation?
  • [16:56:12] <chupacabra> pre linux
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  • [16:56:32] <KotH> ah.. you grew up with at&t unix?
  • [16:56:33] <chupacabra> Sun
  • [16:56:36] <KotH> you _are_ an old fart ;)
  • [16:56:38] <chupacabra> ya
  • [16:57:20] <chupacabra> i still have a sparc station with cde just for old times sake
  • [16:57:21] * mru has both irix and osf/1 (tru64) machines in the house
  • [16:57:32] <mru> irix ain't bad actually
  • [16:57:50] <chupacabra> they were all ok sept sco.
  • [16:58:03] <mru> tru64 is ecoff based so a little quirky
  • [16:58:03] <chupacabra> i still admin 2 sco machines
  • [16:58:51] <mru> a very solid os though
  • [16:58:58] <mru> I've never seen it crash
  • [16:59:08] <mru> and it was the main os at university
  • [17:01:27] <chupacabra> when yggdraisil came out I was a happy guy.
  • [17:01:34] <chupacabra> oops
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  • [17:08:14] <ka6sox> chupacabra, 4800 floppies
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  • [17:10:39] <chupacabra> I remember a cd
  • [17:10:54] <chupacabra> Slackware was 7 floppys
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  • [17:18:44] <ka6sox> chupacabra, you are right..it was slackware I got on floppies.
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  • [17:22:53] <chupacabra> was just checking my memory. Slackware was out in 93. way before yggdrasil. ygg was publicized more.
  • [17:24:33] <chupacabra> I love it when wikipedia remembers stuff like I do.
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  • [17:24:59] <ptan> I'm building a motor controller cape that uses I2C2, and can stack with other capes. Is there any I2C2 address restriction/reservation system other than 0x50-0x57 (cape eeprom)? I.e. can I used up addresses 0x10-0x17?
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  • [17:26:22] <crashovrd> nobody has invented I2C plug n play yet?
  • [17:26:35] <ptan> lol... guess not..
  • [17:27:11] <crashovrd> well, there's a GSoC project waiting to happen
  • [17:27:14] <Calc> I believe first bit in an i2c address isn't part of the address
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  • [17:27:24] <grantsmith> hah. i love that the heartbeat LED on the BBB is actually in the same rhythm as a human heartbeat
  • [17:27:39] <Calc> or rather first bit of the byte that address is in
  • [17:27:44] <ptan> Calc: yeah, the i2c addresses are 7 bits on the BBB
  • [17:28:02] <mru> grantsmith: it also speeds up as system load increases
  • [17:28:14] <grantsmith> oh wow thats cool
  • [17:28:16] <ptan> just wanted to know if I would conflict with any other known capes.
  • [17:28:24] <Calc> it's a master based setup, so master is always polling
  • [17:28:29] <grantsmith> i'll just stare at the pretty lights for a while...
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  • [17:29:10] <grantsmith> mru: so if I run a shell folk bomb, it should REALLY speed up.
  • [17:29:28] <mru> try and find out
  • [17:29:40] <grantsmith> hell no. lol.
  • [17:30:19] <grantsmith> ah what the heck.
  • [17:30:28] <mru> what's the worst it could do?
  • [17:30:41] <KotH> skynet emerging
  • [17:31:41] <grantsmith> ok.. it sped up.
  • [17:32:04] <grantsmith> but only to about 1 blink per .25 seconds
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  • [17:32:23] <grantsmith> and not in heartbeat rhythm anymore :( DISAPPOINTED!
  • [17:32:27] <ssi> I broke something :/
  • [17:32:31] <ssi> Did not find a recognized configuration, assuming General purpose EVM in Profile 0 with Daughter board
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  • [17:50:18] <Billiard> Is there anything comparable to the BBB that supports 1080p over hdmi? :(
  • [17:51:14] <dm8tbr> someone said it might work on the BBB, but performance wouldn't be that great
  • [17:51:32] <crashovrd> depends on your definition of comparable. There are lots of ARM SoC's on the market
  • [17:51:34] <ka6sox> 1080p for NOTHING....
  • [17:52:10] <ptan> Billiard:Raspberry Pi supports 1080p
  • [17:52:26] <ssi> ew so I reflashed the current angstrom image, and got it to boot off SD, and it gets to here and then powers itself down:
  • [17:52:26] <Billiard> ptan: yeah, not enough GPIO for my project though :(
  • [17:52:29] <ssi> 0.765265] pinctrl-single 44e10800.pinmux: pin-3 (gpio-leds.7) status -22
  • [17:52:31] <ssi> [ 0.772491] pinctrl-single 44e10800.pinmux: could not request pin 3 on device pinctrl-single
  • [17:52:40] <dm8tbr> Billiard: look at the pandaboard then
  • [17:52:53] <Billiard> dm8tbr: yeah, too expensive :p
  • [17:53:26] <ptan> Billard: Raspi with i2c GPIO expander?
  • [17:53:27] <ssi> doesn't seem to do it if I remove the network cable
  • [17:53:27] <ssi> weird
  • [17:54:03] <dm8tbr> Billiard: why do you need the 1080p?
  • [17:54:04] <ptan> http://learn.adafruit.com/mcp230xx-gpio-expander-on-the-raspberry-pi/overview
  • [17:54:23] <ka6sox> ssi, can you write that up including how you are powering it and put it on the Mailinglist/forum?
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  • [17:54:44] <ssi> yeah I suppose so... it just shut itself down again
  • [17:54:49] <ssi> is that evidence of overcurrent?
  • [17:55:17] <Billiard> dm8tbr: uh, because it's one better than 720p, I guess? :p
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  • [17:55:36] <dm8tbr> Billiard: then you can also pay one better than the BBB
  • [17:55:51] <Billiard> dm8tbr: panda isn't one better, it has 7000 bells/wistles I don't need
  • [17:56:16] <ka6sox> ssi, Gerald (HW Designer) says to make sure you seat the cable "firmly"
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  • [17:56:40] <ssi> hm ok
  • [17:57:05] <Billiard> ptan: thanks, looking into this, I've already tried using shift registers and it was just a mess and not reliable
  • [17:57:37] <dm8tbr> Billiard: you have to go one way or the other. it will also very much depend on what you want to use that 1080p for
  • [17:57:44] <cmicali> koen: i got the latest 3.8 kernel from git and the patches are not applying
  • [17:57:50] <cmicali> koen: error: drivers/media/platform/soc_camera/cssp_camera.c: patch does not apply
  • [18:01:38] <Billiard> dm8tbr: I don't need to do video decoding if that's your worry
  • [18:02:47] <dm8tbr> Billiard: nothing of this is my worry. I was just trying to help, as that's what you asked for.
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  • [18:12:14] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] RobertCNelson pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/NA4vtA
  • [18:12:14] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 4d689c7 Robert Nelson: 3.8: remove duplicated patch...
  • [18:12:33] <cmicali> yay
  • [18:13:01] <cmicali> blazing turn around time
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  • [18:15:19] <djlewis> tgif
  • [18:16:48] <ka6sox> I thought you liked fridays on Tuesdays
  • [18:16:55] <mru> and all other days too
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  • [18:17:16] <djlewis> and every other weekday
  • [18:17:43] <djlewis> such good memories here. gotta whatch what I say ;)
  • [18:18:13] <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/52
  • [18:18:42] <djlewis> hmm, even i didnt get it right :(
  • [18:18:57] <mru> but I did :)
  • [18:19:18] <djlewis> mru makes me giggle
  • [18:19:38] <mru> like a little girl?
  • [18:20:16] * djlewis got to begin my day by stopping by a bar for a service call :)
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  • [18:20:55] <ka6sox> djlewis, that can be good or bad....
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  • [18:30:54] <Dalek_> Hello, Has anyone used the am335x_pru_package?
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  • [18:31:20] <cmicali> dalek: yes
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  • [18:32:58] <Dalek_> I am using a BeagleBone Black, I followed the instructions on "boxysean" blog on setting up, ran the make with CROSS_COMPILe in the interface dir and examples_app, ran the linux build script, and called modprobe uio_pruss, but when I run PRU_memAccessPRUDtaRam I get an error
  • [18:33:11] <Dalek_> "prussdrv open open failed"
  • [18:33:29] <Dalek_> any ideas what is causing it?
  • [18:33:36] <cmicali> the default beagle bone black device tree does not enable the pruss device
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  • [18:34:10] <cmicali> so even though you did mod probe uio_pruss
  • [18:34:15] <cmicali> the uio_pruss driver can't find the pruss hardware
  • [18:34:34] <cmicali> the only way i know of is to checkout the 3.8 kernel from github.com/beagleboard/kernel
  • [18:34:38] <cmicali> run patch.sh
  • [18:34:53] <cmicali> then edit arch/arm/boot/dts/am335x-beaglebone-black.dts (or whatever it's called)
  • [18:35:20] <cmicali> and add this:
  • [18:35:24] <cmicali> &pruss: {
  • [18:35:31] <cmicali> status = "okay";
  • [18:35:32] <cmicali> };
  • [18:35:45] <cmicali> then build the kernel, and use the new .dtb file for the black that is built
  • [18:36:01] <cmicali> sure there is probably an easier way, but i don't know it unfortunately
  • [18:36:06] <Dalek_> ok, I will give that a shot, thanks :)
  • [18:36:25] <cmicali> np good luck
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  • [18:41:13] <Dalek_> cmicali: while I wait for it to patch, from my understanding of the pru, any of the GPIO pins can be used as PWM for motot controls right?
  • [18:41:47] <cmicali> Dalek: You can use any GPIO from the pru, yeah, but to write to them the PRU has to write to the GPIO memory addresses which are ouside of the PRU
  • [18:42:02] <cmicali> so the time to write to those memory addresses can be non deterministic if the interconnect bus is busy
  • [18:42:15] <cmicali> but there are dedicated PRU I/O pins
  • [18:42:26] <cmicali> which are better, you can toggle them in 1 PRU instruction (5ns)
  • [18:42:42] <cmicali> you will need to pinmux them though, which will require another change to that DTS
  • [18:43:39] <cmicali> here's my full black dts: http://pastebin.com/6cJhJfLA
  • [18:43:47] <cmicali> check the "PRU Pins" section
  • [18:44:05] <Dalek_> cmicali: Thanks, let me look it over :)
  • [18:44:19] <cmicali> you may need another config, but that's almost all the PRU pins you can access on the BB headers
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  • [18:49:34] <honda> does anybody have any good links regarding setting up androind on the black?
  • [18:49:45] <levi> If you're going to be doing a bunch of low-level stuff for the BBB, I recommend getting the Angstrom dev environment set up.
  • [18:50:29] <levi> Makes it easy to manage all the changes you make to the image and individual packages, and port the changes as new upstream things are released.
  • [18:51:18] <levi> You can also build a custom repository with your changes, so you can update your device to your new code with opkg.
  • [18:51:46] <levi> honda: Out of curiosity, why do you want to set up android on it?
  • [18:51:49] <cmicali> levi: got a link to get started doing that?
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  • [18:52:57] <levi> Sure, let me find it.
  • [18:54:17] <honda> levi - maybe this is naive, but I would like to use BBB as an android open accessory
  • [18:54:18] <levi> From the 'Getting Started' page you can click on the 'Angstrom Distribution' link in the 'Other currently available software images' section, which will take you to http://beagleboard.org/project/angstrom
  • [18:54:41] <cmicali> levi: thanks - been wanting to check that out but have not had the tim eyet
  • [18:55:08] <levi> honda: I don't know if that's naive or not, as I don't have any experience with the AOA stuff. Sounds interesting, though!
  • [18:55:42] <honda> ha, ok - I sort of thought you were getting ready to tell me that BB is no good for android
  • [18:56:01] <honda> honestly, I assumed that some prebuilt images would be ready to go at this point
  • [18:56:13] <levi> cmicali: There are a few links on that page, and one of them will take you to http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom, which are the detailed instructions.
  • [18:56:25] <cmicali> levi: sweet thanks i'll give it a go
  • [18:56:45] <cmicali> i've been customizing the stock image, adding my own kernel/packages, and saving that out to an img
  • [18:56:46] <levi> Well, it doesn't seem like the best choice for an android handset, but it might make a good AOA gadget.
  • [18:57:23] <honda> i got BBB thinking it would be an awesome AOA gadget
  • [18:57:23] <cmicali> need a better workflow
  • [18:57:24] <levi> cmicali: You will probably also want to check out the documentation at yoctoproject.org
  • [18:57:45] <cmicali> i gave yocto a shot once, but did not have the time to figure it out
  • [18:59:16] <levi> Yocto is the organization that is set up to co-maintain the OpenEmbedded tool set along with the OpenEmbedded project. Angstrom is the sort of general-purpose distro built with the Yocto/OpenEmbedded tools, but the tools are set up to help you build and maintain a custom distro if you want.
  • [19:00:10] <ka6sox> just don't call it poky
  • [19:00:42] <ds2> poky is fun and tasty
  • [19:00:54] <ds2> and much better sizewise then a yocto
  • [19:01:00] <levi> Well, Poky sort of names the core distro and tools that the Yocto Project maintains.
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  • [19:01:51] <cmicali> levi i got as far as getting the yocto build appliance running in in vmware
  • [19:01:53] <levi> Honestly, the naming of things surrounding the OE tools is a bit weird and confusing these days, but the stuff generally works pretty well.
  • [19:02:05] <cmicali> but after clicking through a few screens i got distracted
  • [19:02:30] <ka6sox> levi, for years I called the build tool BitBreak...
  • [19:02:36] <prpplague> jkridner|work: i'll be reviewing the submissions this afternoon
  • [19:02:36] <levi> cmicali: I would avoid the build appliance route and go straight to building an image, and then possibly a sdk.
  • [19:02:44] <jkridner|work> prpplague: Thanks!
  • [19:02:58] <cmicali> levi: good to know
  • [19:03:01] <prpplague> jkridner|work: i assume i need to complete all the reviews by EoD today?
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  • [19:04:05] <jkridner|work> not technically. We have until Monday to perform reviews and define how many slots we'd ideally want.
  • [19:04:11] <levi> cmicali: Building an SDK lets you build experimental programs outside of the core distro package structure with the same toolchain that builds the distro packages.
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  • [19:05:01] <levi> It's also handy to be able to install the SDK on other machines, since the entire build tree for the distro grows quickly to enormous proporitions.
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  • [19:06:41] <levi> honda: It looks to me, from a quick glance at the ADK2 guide, that Android Open Accesories don't typically run Android themselves.
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  • [19:09:40] <NoProblem> Hey anyone has a link to a Ubuntu 13.04 IMg for the BBB
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  • [19:09:53] <levi> Their example framework is based on Arduino, so in the BBB context you'd probably want to port it to BoneScript or possibly C. The key distinguishing feature of AOA gadgets seems to be that they can communicate with an android device over the USB port via the Android Open Accessory Protocol.
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  • [19:11:17] <prpplague> jkridner|work: ok thanks
  • [19:11:25] <levi> I haven't heard of a 13.4 img for BBB.
  • [19:11:27] <honda> yeah levi, they typically don't (arduino adk for example) but it looks like BBB as an AOA is designed to be running android
  • [19:11:45] <prpplague> jkridner|work: i've interacted with two of the applicants over on #userspace-arduino
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  • [19:12:37] <_av500_> wow, gcc for PRU
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  • [19:13:39] <levi> Awww.
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  • [19:14:17] <NoProblem> levi: http://pansenti.wordpress.com/2013/04/28/beaglebone-black-with-ubuntu-13-04-and-ubuntu-desktop-almost/
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  • [19:15:50] <levi> That's cool, but I'm not really interested in running Ubuntu on mine.
  • [19:16:08] <honda> regarding AOA - looking more closely, I think AOA on BB(B) runs on starterware meaning it doesn't run on any OS whatsoever
  • [19:16:17] <honda> http://code.google.com/p/rowboat/wiki/AccessoryDevKit
  • [19:17:33] <honda> I assumed android was running underneath the AOA since the documentation came from rowboat
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  • [19:19:41] <_av500_> no
  • [19:19:48] <_av500_> this AOA users starterware
  • [19:19:51] <_av500_> so no-os
  • [19:20:04] <honda> yeah
  • [19:20:05] <djlewis> prpplague: energia got my attention sometime back.
  • [19:20:45] <honda> av500 do you know if the build instructions in the link i posted above are applicable to BBB?
  • [19:20:49] <jkridner|work> prpplague: make sure to let me know ones you'd feel comfortable mentoring.
  • [19:21:07] <djlewis> the process of programming a 430 like i'm configuring a MUX does not excite me (the old way).
  • [19:21:27] <_av500_> honda: partially for sure
  • [19:22:22] <honda> _av500_: cool thanks
  • [19:23:17] <prpplague> jkridner|work: i've already noted the two top contenders for mentorings
  • [19:23:30] <prpplague> jkridner|work: mdp has them marked for him as well
  • [19:23:42] <prpplague> jkridner|work: i need to reread the other entries
  • [19:23:45] <jkridner|work> by putting yourself down as a potential mentor?
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  • [19:24:05] <NoProblem> Ok install the Ubuntu image 12.10 now I want to install desktop did sudo apt-get install Ubuntu-desktop it want to install 1405MB is that normal
  • [19:24:44] <_av500_> 2013 and melange cannot sort numbers
  • [19:24:58] <_av500_> NoProblem: 1.4GB
  • [19:25:06] <_av500_> looks small for ubuntu
  • [19:25:07] <NoProblem> Yeah
  • [19:25:16] <NoProblem> Wow
  • [19:25:22] <_av500_> I mean you are asking for a full fledged desktop
  • [19:25:30] <_av500_> the best desktop even
  • [19:25:45] <_av500_> 2nd only to windows
  • [19:26:15] <NoProblem> I don't really want the full fledge in there a lighter version
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  • [19:33:19] <_av500_> angstrom maybe?
  • [19:34:58] <jkroon> I'm trying to connect an LCD monitor to the beaglebone.. We have a custom built cape, sort of, with a monitor. But when I boot I dont get any framebuffer devices created
  • [19:35:31] <_av500_> what does the cape do?
  • [19:35:41] <_av500_> since its custom, did you write a driver?
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  • [19:35:48] <_av500_> adapt one?
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  • [19:36:30] <jkroon> _av500_, nope no driver or anything. I was hoping the beaglebone would output the pixel data on the io-pins
  • [19:36:34] <bender_> how does one go about checking pin mode of a given pin on beagle black
  • [19:36:48] <_av500_> we had that
  • [19:36:57] <_av500_> pinctrl in debugfs
  • [19:37:14] <_av500_> jkroon: well, unless you tell it to do so, it wont
  • [19:37:36] <jkroon> _av500_, ok..
  • [19:37:46] <bender_> would that be "cat pinmux-pins"
  • [19:38:03] <_av500_> cat all of them
  • [19:38:08] <_av500_> in the 44*** folder
  • [19:38:10] <_av500_> and see
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  • [19:38:55] <chupacabra> yay my black is in.
  • [19:38:56] <_av500_> jkridner|work: calling a phone number for dumb people, y u no like?
  • [19:39:01] <jkroon> _av500_, so I should maybe just copy the 7inch display driver
  • [19:39:25] <bender_> looking at pin 94 for i2c (GPIO UNCLAIMED) MUX is 4819c000.i2c
  • [19:40:23] <_av500_> yes,so the pin is muxed to i2c
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  • [19:40:32] <_av500_> 94, 95, 98, 99
  • [19:40:37] <_av500_> i2c0 and i2s2
  • [19:40:43] <woglinde> re
  • [19:40:50] <_av500_> "pins" will give you the actual pinmux values
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  • [19:41:30] <bender_> ok. so in /dev/ i only have reference to i2c0 and i2c1
  • [19:41:44] <prpplague> jkridner|work: yea
  • [19:41:56] <woglinde> hi prpplague
  • [19:42:00] <prpplague> jkridner|work: i;ve added myself as possible mentor on the two top ones so far
  • [19:42:12] <prpplague> jkridner: looks like there are 3 other entries
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  • [19:43:38] <woglinde> that was to much for him
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  • [19:44:57] <bender_> pins 94-95 correlate to i2c2 and 98-99 correlate to i2c0. if using i2cdetect where should i direct the command ?
  • [19:46:45] <_av500_> bender_: one is i2c numbers as per the SoC, the other is how the kernel numbers them
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  • [19:46:55] <_av500_> so I guess 0 is 0 and 1 is 2
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  • [19:47:31] <KotH> _av500_: einmal ist keinmal, zweimal ist immer
  • [19:47:32] <ds2> and 11 is 3
  • [19:48:17] <bender_> was hoping you weren't going to say that. still having issues communicating to an i2c device for temp/humidity. just gives timeout. scans through very slowly and gives nothing back
  • [19:48:38] <woglinde> bender_ did check the hw
  • [19:48:50] <woglinde> always check the hw first and than blame the software
  • [19:49:16] <ds2> nah... always blame the sw guys
  • [19:49:23] <ds2> unless you are working in sw ;)
  • [19:49:28] <jkroon> _av500_, so.. how do I tell it to output data on the lcd pins ? I have write a driver ?
  • [19:49:36] <KotH> osciloscope: versatile software debugging tool
  • [19:50:42] <bender_> i tested it on an arduino
  • [19:50:44] <bender_> and it works fine
  • [19:50:53] <woglinde> lol
  • [19:50:55] <woglinde> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Its-not-the-size-that-matters.aspx
  • [19:51:21] <woglinde> bender okay than blame kernel guys
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  • [19:52:02] <KotH> woglinde: lol
  • [19:52:21] <KotH> woglinde: unfortunately, i've seen a lot of such code...
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  • [19:53:19] <KotH> something i've often heard is "why dont you use malloc there.. it would make things easier" ... well, this is a uC with 64kB ram, with no OS.. it does NOT have malloc
  • [19:53:23] <bender_> i'd like to think that it's user error rather than kernel error...
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  • [19:54:00] <bender_> arduino i2c bus is 5v so i'm using bi-directional logic level conversion to 3.3v bb i2c bus
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  • [19:54:11] <haksaw> soooo, any perl programmers in here? Got a question about IO:poll and why the flip it isnt blocking
  • [19:54:32] <woglinde> hm I havent touched perl for some years
  • [19:55:16] <KotH> haksaw: ask away
  • [19:55:25] <bender_> only think i can think of is that the internal pullup resistors are not activated by default. It says in beaglebone manual that they must be activated or there will be timeout errors on the bus.
  • [19:55:27] <haksaw> http://pastebin.com/ZVNHYkVb
  • [19:55:31] <haksaw> http://pastebin.com/Qp8j1jL1
  • [19:55:49] <bender_> which is what i'm getting in my syslog
  • [19:56:16] <haksaw> KotH: $poll->poll(); is not blocking any clues?
  • [19:56:49] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> bender: just got in, but if you're talking about i2c, the internal pullups (about 100k ohm) weren't strong enough for my i2c devices.
  • [19:57:24] <bender_> what size did you add ?
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  • [19:57:39] <bender_> i've tried 4.7k ohm
  • [19:57:53] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i used a 10k.
  • [19:58:06] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> bust out a scope, make sure it's wiggling ;)
  • [19:58:20] <KotH> haksaw: you sure you want to use POLLPRI?
  • [19:58:22] <bender_> did you do any logic level converting?
  • [19:58:32] <KotH> haksaw: shouldnt that be POLLIN?
  • [19:58:47] <haksaw> ive tried both with no avail
  • [19:58:48] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> actually, yes, through a stupid bidirectional level shifter.
  • [19:58:52] <bender_> and were you doing an "i2cdetect -r 1"
  • [19:58:54] <haksaw> it imediatly returns 0
  • [19:59:26] <bender_> then you had pullups on the sensor side and the beagle side of the logic converter?
  • [19:59:34] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> bender: no. we don't have access to i2c-1 on the header....right?
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  • [20:00:10] <_av500_> bender_: from how I read the pin values, the pullups are enabled
  • [20:00:13] <KotH> haksaw: have a look at the code of IO::Poll::poll
  • [20:00:23] <_av500_> ::poll:poll:poll
  • [20:00:23] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> bender_: 1 in linux is i2c-0. i2c-3 is i2c-2. index is off by one.
  • [20:00:26] <KotH> haksaw: that should tell you what it's doing
  • [20:00:29] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> right?
  • [20:00:38] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> (it's been a while since i worked on that)
  • [20:01:04] <haksaw> KotH: I was tracing it down till i got to _poll() which i have no clue where that function is at
  • [20:01:19] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i2c-2 is disabled on demo image of beaglebone classic, so all you have to use is i2c-3, which is i2c2 on the chip.
  • [20:01:27] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> assuming i'm remembering all of this correctly.
  • [20:01:46] <KotH> haksaw: you need ot get teh source of IO,
  • [20:01:48] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> but, regargdless of black or classic, i2c-1 isn't accessible on header.
  • [20:01:51] <bender_> you using beaglebone black or classic?
  • [20:01:53] <KotH> haksaw: these are C functions that are called
  • [20:02:18] <bender_> in /dev/ i only see reference to i2c0 and i2c1
  • [20:02:20] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i'm using classic, but indexes are the same. linux indexes are one higher than device bus indexes.
  • [20:02:29] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> never mind! i guess they changed it completely.
  • [20:02:47] <KotH> haksaw: ie, the interesting bits are compiled into IO.so
  • [20:02:48] <mru> and in fortran they're one higher again?
  • [20:03:05] <bender_> _av500_ how did you check that?
  • [20:03:20] <_av500_> I read the TRM
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  • [20:03:47] <bender_> oh, there isn't a way to read the state on the device?
  • [20:03:52] <haksaw> KotH: so do you think im making a stupid mistake somewhere, or is this a Bug?
  • [20:03:59] <_av500_> bender_: sure is
  • [20:04:03] <_av500_> read "pins"
  • [20:04:10] <_av500_> it gives you all the pinmux register values
  • [20:04:21] <KotH> haksaw: i have never used IO:Poll myself, but from the looks of the manpage, this seems like how it should be used
  • [20:04:43] <bender_> i'm seeing it now
  • [20:04:51] <haksaw> Ive rewrote it in C and it works, so go figure
  • [20:04:52] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> ugh...so they changed i2c indexes. so to beaglebone people, backwards compatible means you'll need all new software, and we're going to wipe out > 15 io pins.
  • [20:05:16] <KotH> haksaw: uhmm. wait a sec... are you sure that $d0 and $d1 are references to filehandles?
  • [20:05:28] <bender_> <PRU_EVTOUT> Which sensor and logic converter did you use?
  • [20:05:53] <haksaw> yeah, they are returned by fd_open()
  • [20:06:45] <woglinde> haksaw why using perl when you can do it in c?
  • [20:07:22] <mru> awk!
  • [20:07:24] <KotH> haksaw: yeah.. that looks like the mistake
  • [20:07:24] <haksaw> woglinde: build up my perl chops
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  • [20:07:47] <KotH> haksaw: my $blah; open $blah, "file", "mode";
  • [20:08:05] <KotH> haksaw: returning FILE will not do what you think it does
  • [20:08:22] <bender_> just tried some 10k ohm pullups...still a no-go. Scans super slow from 0x59 - 0x77
  • [20:11:07] <ka6sox> perls befor swine chops?
  • [20:11:08] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i'm assuming you don't have a scope at this point.
  • [20:11:23] <KotH> haksaw: alternatively return \*FILE;
  • [20:11:45] <mru> typeglobs ftw
  • [20:11:54] <bender_> very very old
  • [20:12:13] <Tartarus> Anyone around with a rev A6 beaglebone black that they can drop into u-boot on?
  • [20:12:24] <_av500_> A4 only
  • [20:12:27] <mru> +1
  • [20:12:33] <KotH> bender_: if it is slow, but works, i'd guess you have the wrong clock setting
  • [20:12:34] <_av500_> mru: thats A5 then?
  • [20:12:50] <mru> I wish
  • [20:13:10] <bender_> Tek 2232
  • [20:13:21] <_av500_> any scope will do for I2C
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  • [20:13:41] <Tartarus> Just need the first line out of 'md 0x44E10600'
  • [20:13:45] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> bender_: it's only a few hundred khz. use it!
  • [20:13:55] <_av500_> Tartarus: sorry, I dont do magic numbers
  • [20:14:14] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i'm guessing you'll see your digital signals are taking long vacations into analog land, or something similar.
  • [20:14:14] <_av500_> and I have no A6
  • [20:14:16] <bender_> KotH i don't see and registers populated so i'm not sure if it's "working'
  • [20:14:30] <Tartarus> _av500_: you have A4 only anyhow :)
  • [20:14:57] <ka6sox> Tartarus, that reminds me I need to order a A5
  • [20:14:58] <_av500_> us conscripts only get the old stuff
  • [20:15:23] <Tartarus> ka6sox: production is A6, dunno if you can order A5
  • [20:15:25] <ka6sox> no PRUs in an A4
  • [20:15:28] <Tartarus> at least, that's what I'd swear
  • [20:15:28] <bender_> honestly i haven't used a scope since high school :(
  • [20:15:53] <Tartarus> _av500_: I'm only marginally better, I've got A5a and _chase_ offered to buy me an A6
  • [20:15:57] <bender_> don't mind giving it whirl though
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  • [20:16:06] <Tartarus> Right now I'm just trying to satisfy some curiosity
  • [20:16:07] * _av500_ looks up to _chase_
  • [20:16:15] <ka6sox> Tartarus, then A6 it is!
  • [20:16:22] <_av500_> with puppy dog eyes
  • [20:16:27] <Russ> a4a ftw!
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  • [20:16:38] <_chase_> _av500_: sorry, what are we talking about?
  • [20:16:46] <Russ> no idea
  • [20:16:47] <KotH> bender_: then get out a scope, logicanalyzer or whatever and have a look at the signals
  • [20:16:56] <KotH> bender_: guessing wont get you any further
  • [20:17:33] <ka6sox> digikey is taking my order...lets see if that happens.
  • [20:17:34] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> only further...INTO INSANITY!
  • [20:18:02] <_av500_> _chase_: I heard you are passing out blackss
  • [20:18:30] <_chase_> I did just order some
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  • [20:19:14] <bender_> KotH > setting it up at the moment
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  • [20:21:29] <djlewis> interesting.. 37 topics today with 17 having the BBB in title..
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  • [20:23:07] <KotH> night boys
  • [20:23:35] <_av500_> night girl
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  • [20:25:16] <woglinde> nite koth
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  • [20:26:42] <ka6sox> nite KotH I'll get you some books when I see you next
  • [20:26:56] <ka6sox> DK said they had 30 BBB
  • [20:27:05] <ka6sox> so lets see if they ship
  • [20:30:00] <grantsmith> I'm adding a sd card to my new BBB. should i just insert it while on and I should see a new mountpoint ?
  • [20:31:08] <grantsmith> or does it have to be powered off first ?
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  • [20:31:30] <mru> there have been reports of sd card hot-insertion not being detected properly
  • [20:31:42] <mru> probably a software problem
  • [20:31:54] <mru> but if it doesn't work, try turning it off and on again
  • [20:32:37] <m_billybob> any reprts of the bbb runing for roughly a day, then not responding to ssh / web traffic ?
  • [20:33:05] <mru> that's when you want that serial console
  • [20:33:06] <grantsmith> mru: ok i'll try that thanks
  • [20:33:17] <jkroon> _av500_, when conecting a custom monitor, shouldnt it be the same lcd signals that are output by for instance the 7inch display cape ? Would the code for that cape driver be a good starting point for writing a custom driver ?
  • [20:33:21] <m_billybob> last couple of days thats what ive expeprienced, but could be my problem ? wouldnt know what i did, except i did net upgrade to 3.8.8 kernel
  • [20:33:22] <grantsmith> mru: will it try to boot from the new sd though ?
  • [20:33:37] <mru> try and find out
  • [20:33:43] <grantsmith> k
  • [20:34:45] <_av500_> jkroon: sure
  • [20:35:30] <grantsmith> mru: does't look like it wants to boot.. 3 LEDS just stay on
  • [20:35:35] <grantsmith> grr
  • [20:35:50] <jkroon> _av500_,cant find the code in my oe kernel build tree though ...
  • [20:35:52] <mru> insert it just as the kernel is loading then :)
  • [20:35:59] <mru> before the kernel probes it
  • [20:37:37] <woglinde> how many boot leds has the rpi?
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  • [20:40:34] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> woglinde: is this a riddle?
  • [20:46:45] <woglinde> PRU_EVTOUT_2 no only the daily rpi vs. bbb round 3
  • [20:46:55] <cyronin> hey, is anybody having problems with the beaglebone ubuntu 12.04 image?
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  • [20:48:03] <cyronin> init is going into a kernel_hung_task, and I'm not quite sure where to start troubleshooting that...
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  • [20:57:16] <m_billybob> cyronin, bbb or the bbw ? reason why i ask is there is supposed to be a special txt file when booting with dc card inserted. what I've read seems to indicate that if this file does not exist, or doesnt have the rigth parameters in it, somethign like what you describe happens.
  • [20:57:32] <m_billybob> booting with sd card inserted*
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  • [21:04:21] <cyronin> bbw, I'm using the ubuntu sd card script
  • [21:05:08] <m_billybob> ah yeah, what i just said applies to the black. Not sure abotu the white
  • [21:06:15] <m_billybob> cyronin, for what its worth derrik molloy on youtube has some vids on how to setup the bbw with ubuntu . . . dont know if they would be of some help for you or not.
  • [21:06:28] <m_billybob> anyhow back to the salt mine for me, be back later.
  • [21:06:37] <cyronin> see ya
  • [21:06:47] <cyronin> i cant even find the 12.04 image that I had
  • [21:06:53] <grantsmith> ok i seriously need help with getting this SD card to work. Its a 16GB class 10 Samsung.. any help would be appreciated
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  • [21:08:13] <Dalek_> Need some help trying to update the kernal on the BBB and I keep getting no space left on device errors, I tried putting a 4gb flash drive into it and trying to patch from that directory but I still run out of space
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  • [21:11:46] <CareBear\> probably you are trying to put too much stuff on ther
  • [21:11:46] <CareBear\> e
  • [21:12:47] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Dalek_: maybe the old opkg temp dir problem? try specifying a different temp dir with -t command line. dir has to exist.
  • [21:12:58] <grantsmith> could my problem be that i'm trying to do this in tethered mode ?
  • [21:13:49] <_av500_> tethered?
  • [21:14:06] <grantsmith> connected to a linux machine via usb
  • [21:14:15] <grantsmith> then ssh into it..
  • [21:14:44] <ka6sox> _av500_, a USB cable makes a FINE tether for a Beagle
  • [21:14:58] <ka6sox> or is that Leash?
  • [21:15:39] <grantsmith> i also just tried to insert a USB wifi dongle into the BBB (which i know works on a raspberry pi) and there are absolutely no notices in dmesg
  • [21:15:40] <Dalek_> PRU_EVTOUT_2 that maybe it
  • [21:17:17] <grantsmith> so my thinking is that if the networking is using usb0, then for some reason other hardware discovery fails
  • [21:18:30] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Dalek_: /tmp is a memory disk, so it fills up quick.
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  • [21:18:45] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> err...used to be. the world is moving too fast for me too keep up with.
  • [21:19:42] <cyronin> okay, so I use the 13.04 script contained here: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Raring_13.04_armhf
  • [21:19:50] <cyronin> and build an sd card
  • [21:19:56] <cyronin> plug it into the bbw
  • [21:20:03] <cyronin> and the kernel boots
  • [21:20:07] <cyronin> but then init hangs
  • [21:20:39] <Dalek_> PRU_EVTOUT_2 just to check to use the t flag I do ./patch.sh -t local_temp/
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  • [21:25:18] <haksaw> KotH: Finaly got it to work. had to put a <FD>; before setting up the poll
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  • [21:26:57] <grantsmith> regarding my SD card / USB device discovery problem. It appears that systemd-udev crashes when in tethered mode
  • [21:27:09] <grantsmith> so device discovery then fails
  • [21:27:31] <mru> well ain't that quality software
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  • [21:29:03] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Dalek_: i thought you were talking about opkg update. -t is an opkg argument.
  • [21:29:15] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Dalek_: i don't know what your patch.sh does.
  • [21:33:13] <Dalek_> PRU_EVTOUT_2 I was told to download the git repo (github.com/beagleboard/kernel) and run the patch.sh file. I need to enable the PRU on my BBB
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  • [21:41:02] <Dalek_> PRU_EVTOUT_2 sorry my connection was frozen, did you respond to my last question?
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  • [21:41:31] <_av500_> run patch.sh
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  • [21:43:50] <Dalek_> hey cmicali_, I am having trouble updating the kernel, it keeps giving me out of memory error (i tried to run it off a 4gb flash drive too)
  • [21:44:04] <cmicali_> dale: what's giving you the error, the compile?
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  • [21:46:25] <Dalek_> camical_: It says No space availble when making arch/title/inclue/uapi/asm
  • [21:46:39] <cmicali_> are you building the kernel on the beaglebone?
  • [21:46:57] <Dalek_> yes, should I not be?
  • [21:47:02] <mru> did you "make space" first? :)
  • [21:47:12] <mru> it's quicker and easier to build the kernel on a pc
  • [21:47:28] <cmicali_> yeah - i wouldn't recommend building the kernel on the bb
  • [21:47:39] <bender_> not having much luck with my older Tek 2232 oscope...i'll pick up a logic analyzer.
  • [21:47:40] <Dalek_> will do, for some reason I was thinking it had to be made on bb.. no idea why
  • [21:47:55] <cmicali_> what is your host machine, pc, mac, linux?
  • [21:48:10] <Dalek_> mac
  • [21:48:28] <_av500_> i'm sorry
  • [21:48:41] <cmicali_> dalek: do you have a copy of parallels or vmware fusion?
  • [21:49:01] <Dalek_> yes, I have vm of linux and windows
  • [21:49:14] <cmicali_> the easiest way is to use an ubuntu vm
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  • [21:49:33] <cmicali_> http://azkeller.com/blog/?p=129
  • [21:49:38] <cmicali_> that tutorial is pretty good
  • [21:49:55] <cmicali_> basically just step 2 - the apt-get the required packages
  • [21:50:07] <cmicali_> and then build with step 5 instructions
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  • [21:56:13] <Tartarus> Anyone have older revs of the sprs71 doc around? I want to know what the voltage range for PG 1.0 is @ 720MHz
  • [21:56:27] <cmicali> rev c ok?
  • [21:56:37] <Tartarus> probably
  • [21:56:42] <cmicali> 1 sec
  • [21:56:47] <Tartarus> What's table 3-7 list
  • [21:57:19] <Tartarus> for VDD_MPU NOM value
  • [21:59:37] <cmicali> hm i can't find a table 3-7
  • [21:59:56] <cmicali> 1 sec it'll be in dropbox
  • [22:00:11] <cmicali> Tartarus: https://www.dropbox.com/s/c8azxcf2hqnyccm/am335x_trm_revc_with_pru.pdf
  • [22:00:54] <Tartarus> Ah, that's spruh (our doc names suck sometimes :( )
  • [22:01:09] <cmicali> ah sorry
  • [22:01:17] <Tartarus> sprs doesn't have a nice title page that says what it's called
  • [22:01:38] <Tartarus> thanks tho
  • [22:01:58] <cmicali> i have some renamed PDFs - which doc is it i may have it under a different name
  • [22:02:33] <Tartarus> It's just "Sitara AM335x ARM Cortex-A8 Microprocessors (MPUs)"
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  • [22:02:57] <Tartarus> If you search the pdf it will says sprs717 in it :)
  • [22:03:04] <cmicali> ok
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  • [22:03:58] <cmicali> ugh vpn is slow
  • [22:04:35] <cmicali> sorry, no dice
  • [22:04:50] <cmicali> although looks like spruh has "sprs717" in it :), referring to the doc
  • [22:04:55] <Tartarus> ha
  • [22:04:57] <Tartarus> thanks anyhow
  • [22:05:47] <cmicali> np
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  • [22:07:41] <cmicali> Tartarus: Score: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5ora6806izctmra/datasheet.pdf
  • [22:07:50] <cmicali> rev from oct 2011
  • [22:08:26] <Tartarus> woo! thanks!
  • [22:08:51] <cmicali> anytime
  • [22:11:57] <Tartarus> Big changes in the doc, ha
  • [22:13:24] <Tartarus> And, magical looking value explained, always a plus
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  • [22:14:34] <cmicali> no better feeling than finally uncovering the source of a magic value
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  • [22:15:32] <_av500_> 54!
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  • [22:28:45] <chupacabra> bbb up and running
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  • [22:43:56] <ka6sox> I think mor than a few people here could use this: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920028116.do?code=DRM2013
  • [22:46:29] <mdp> good idea
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  • [22:46:37] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> pffft...books? true knowledge comes from irc.
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  • [22:52:24] <crashovrd> the source code is the documentation!
  • [22:52:48] <chupacabra> oh no. The dreaded 'NO SSH' problem
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  • [23:00:01] <chandler> Hi folks. I'm seeing some weirdness with USB on my new beaglebone black. Basically the first time I connect a USB device (flash drive), it enumerates, but after unplugging it and reinserting it, it doesn't appear to enumerate or even get power.
  • [23:00:22] <chandler> I'm powering the board with a standalone 3A 5V power supply via the barrel connector.
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  • [23:00:57] <chandler> The measured supply voltage is 5.15V, which I'd expect to be within tolerance.
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  • [23:01:53] <Russ> iirc, that was a known issue that is being worked on
  • [23:02:25] <Russ> do an lsusb
  • [23:03:20] <chandler> yeah, it's not there. never saw any messages from the kernel either
  • [23:03:30] <chandler> and there's no 5V at the socket
  • [23:03:50] <Russ> hmm...I had read that running lsusb would force the bus to rescan
  • [23:04:28] <ka6sox> mdp, and today its 1/2 off!
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  • [23:05:20] <chandler> Russ: is the known issue documented somewhere?
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  • [23:06:38] <Russ> not that I'm aware with, check with panto when he's around though
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  • [23:11:55] <mru> Russ: lsusb just pokes around in /sys or /proc and prints what it finds
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  • [23:12:28] <Russ> then run it as sudo
  • [23:12:39] <chandler> I'm root on the bone
  • [23:13:12] <chandler> I can make it work again if I unbind the usb device from the usb driver and then unbind musb-hdrc.1.auto from musb-hdrc, then rebind it
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  • [23:13:28] <Russ> 'There's a problem with hotplug USB detection. Issue lsusb and it should rescan the bus. We're working on it... Regards -- Pantelis'
  • [23:13:55] <chandler> e.g. cd /sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb; echo usb# > unbind; cd /sys/bus/platform/drivers/musb-hdrc/; echo musb-hdrc.1.auto > unbind; echo musb-hdrc.1.auto > bind
  • [23:16:44] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> BBB = Beaglebone Beta :D
  • [23:17:06] <ka6sox> brutal PRU_EVTOUT_2
  • [23:17:29] <ka6sox> PRU_EVTOUT_2, does that make the White one Alpha?
  • [23:17:33] <chandler> I'm having similar (though not quite as bad) weirdness on our regular beaglebones
  • [23:17:58] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> don't ruin my joke chandler.
  • [23:18:07] <chandler> I'd guess that the behavior difference here is just the kernel version
  • [23:18:09] <chandler> heh
  • [23:18:31] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> fine, BBB = Beaglebone Bleeding-edge.
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  • [23:23:08] <chandler> that's more like it :-)
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  • [23:24:59] <grantsmith> chandler: I'm having similar problems with SD cards not being recognized
  • [23:25:23] <Russ> grantsmith, that'd actually be a very different problem
  • [23:25:24] <grantsmith> plug in the SD.. not a kernel message in sight
  • [23:25:36] <grantsmith> plug anything into USB too.. nothing.
  • [23:25:55] <mrpackethead> when does BBW go EOL?
  • [23:26:02] <chandler> the USB and SD issues are probably quite different
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  • [23:26:56] <grantsmith> I'm finding zero documentation anywhere. I guess it IS bleeding edge
  • [23:27:14] <Russ> grantsmith, SRM
  • [23:27:46] <grantsmith> Russ, the SRM makes no mention of ading an SD card for extra space on the BBB
  • [23:27:51] <grantsmith> adding*
  • [23:28:10] <Russ> who's got the red nail polish btw?
  • [23:28:26] <mrpackethead> I'm just going to order those FPGA cape PCB's
  • [23:29:06] <Russ> the way the uSD card is wired up is documented under 6.5
  • [23:29:09] <mrpackethead> 50 Pces.
  • [23:29:17] <mrpackethead> so there will be plenty of them spare
  • [23:30:02] <grantsmith> Russ, I couldn't care less how it's wired up. I simply want to add an SD card and have access to it
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  • [23:31:24] <grantsmith> I'm beginning to suspect that the problem is using the default Angston distro, and that it will probably work if I switched to Ubuntu
  • [23:31:33] <grantsmith> Angstrom*
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  • [23:31:55] <chandler> Is the GPIO mux present in the BBB-shipped version of Angstrom?
  • [23:31:55] <ka6sox> mrpackethead, I was confuzed...is that in USD Or NZD?
  • [23:32:02] <chandler> (of the kernel, I guess)
  • [23:32:30] <supersaw> does the beagle board support 24hz display refresh rate?
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  • [23:37:06] <mrpackethead> ka6sox: what was what in NZD?
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  • [23:39:00] <ka6sox> the numbers in the email.
  • [23:39:01] <ka6sox> sorry
  • [23:39:15] <ka6sox> iSleepy
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  • [23:43:19] <mrpackethead> oh, $USD
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  • [23:43:54] <mrpackethead> i was going to think about getting them assembled
  • [23:44:05] <mrpackethead> but its just a stack of hassle i dont' need
  • [23:44:11] <ka6sox> true
  • [23:44:17] <ka6sox> I'll email you.
  • [23:44:51] <mranostay> morning-o
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  • [23:45:55] <mru> troll-o
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