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  • [01:19:58] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> is there a list of i2c addresses the beaglebone uses
  • [01:20:05] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> or can i trust what comes out of i2cdetect?
  • [01:20:53] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> seems like a silly omission from the reference manual, and the schematic... :-|
  • [01:21:41] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> although, reading datasheets for addressing modes for random ics is fun :P
  • [01:22:31] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> you'd kinda assume all this stuff would have been put on the hidden i2c-2
  • [01:22:46] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> especially since there aren't any address conflicts
  • [01:26:17] <thurbad> i2c bus speeds are not always equal/equally supported
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  • [01:30:55] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i love to find the i2c bus speeds documented somewhere, too!
  • [01:31:14] <ds2> you did read the original I2C specs from the originators, right?
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  • [01:39:59] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> ds2: yes, but what does that have to do with finding the beaglebone bus speed documented somewhere?
  • [01:40:15] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> so...i only see two ic's connected to i2c. pmic and an eeprom.
  • [01:40:43] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> guessing all these others are kernel drivers expecting something interesting at a fixed address?
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  • [01:41:58] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> and, i'm assuming there's no way of listing kernel modules responsible. :-\
  • [01:42:49] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> and, guess i'll go grab my scope to measure this bus speed. :-\
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  • [03:22:48] <Russ> ds2, were you planning on going with batchpcb?
  • [03:30:12] <mranostay> why batchpcb?
  • [03:30:40] <Russ> dunno, he didn't like oshpark because it requires google checkout or paypal
  • [03:30:55] <Russ> and I just saw that oshpark has absorbed batchpcb
  • [03:31:09] <mranostay> who doesn't have a paypal account
  • [03:31:10] <mranostay> ?
  • [03:31:15] <Russ> ds2
  • [03:31:40] <mranostay> weirdo
  • [03:39:38] <Turl> avoiding paypal is not that bad of an idea really
  • [03:41:16] <Turl> as someone said once, "PayPal have all the power of a bank and yet none of the responsibility."
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  • [04:19:16] <mranostay> banks have responsibility?
  • [04:19:31] <mranostay> i seem to remember them #@$@#$ up the US in 2008
  • [04:29:20] <Turl> heh
  • [04:29:27] <Turl> mranostay: more than paypal I'd say
  • [04:29:41] <mrpackethead> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bPhnUNzYWg <--- beagle makes lights go.
  • [04:29:58] <Turl> paypal can freeze your account with any random excuse
  • [04:34:33] <mrpackethead> I've processed > $300,000 in sales on Paypal, and not had any problems with it
  • [04:34:36] <mrpackethead> I get my money
  • [04:34:40] <mrpackethead> cusstomers get their goods
  • [04:34:59] <mrpackethead> I guess your experiences vary.
  • [04:35:09] <mrpackethead> I've had a better run that with my VISA
  • [04:37:47] <Turl> mrpackethead: I paid for a home tplink router and had my account frozen.
  • [04:38:34] <Turl> mrpackethead: then after talking with them and supplying all the info they requested they unfroze it, so I go and pay for the router again (they reverted the transaction)
  • [04:38:44] <Turl> they go and freeze it again ~.~
  • [04:39:44] <Turl> eventually I got them to unfreeze it again and was able to pay on the 3rd try
  • [04:40:04] <Turl> but ever since I try to avoid them wherever I can
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  • [05:29:15] <ka6sox> mourning
  • [05:29:35] <ka6sox> 555kms later...
  • [05:30:16] <_av500_> ahoi
  • [05:30:39] <ka6sox> hiya av500
  • [05:31:02] <ka6sox> Happy Saturday!
  • [05:31:40] <dm8tbr> moooo
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  • [05:32:53] <rtdin> Hello,
  • [05:33:48] <ka6sox> hola
  • [05:33:54] <rtdin> I am interested in working on sysfs entries for IIO and PWM for GSOC'13. I have complete the Hello World project. Any pointers on what need to be done will be helpful.
  • [05:34:06] <ka6sox> paging ds2....
  • [05:35:13] <ka6sox> rtdin, ds2 is your Man...but he may not be around at this point.
  • [05:35:34] <rtdin> ka60x okay. I will wait to talk to him
  • [05:36:28] <rtdin> ka60x i have also posted in Google groups.
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  • [05:38:03] <ka6sox> rtdin, good plan
  • [05:38:11] <ka6sox> rtdin, what TZ are you in?
  • [05:39:17] <rtdin> ka60x i am in India
  • [05:39:24] <ka6sox> kk
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  • [06:51:52] <mrpackethead> all quiet.
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  • [07:00:44] <ka6sox> happy caturday!
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  • [07:25:18] <_av500_> +1
  • [07:30:10] <keesj> noooooooooooooooo
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  • [10:05:00] <hustcalm> jkridner, r u there?
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  • [10:37:58] <hustcalm> fine, I just want to talk about Bonescript on gsoc 2013. anyone got an Email of jkridner?
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  • [10:48:00] <anujdeshpande> hustcalm you could use the mailing list
  • [10:48:47] <hustcalm> ok, got our google-groups just now:)
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  • [14:55:26] <hitlin37> could anyone suggest some ideas related to code optimization for gsoc project.this has been done in the past and i found it interesting.
  • [14:56:47] <_av500_> neon everything
  • [14:56:56] <_av500_> neon.js
  • [14:57:00] <mru> gcc has auto-vectorisation now
  • [14:57:06] <_av500_> so its done
  • [14:57:32] <hitlin37> :(
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  • [15:40:43] <ka6sox-away> llvm
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  • [15:51:41] <mru> ka6sox: what of it?
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  • [15:52:18] <ka6sox> better optimizations
  • [15:52:47] <mru> elaborate
  • [15:53:01] <ka6sox> not before coffee
  • [15:53:13] * mru pours coffee over ka6sox
  • [15:53:28] <ka6sox> thanks... :P
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  • [15:57:00] <mru> so about llvm...
  • [15:57:17] <mru> is it better, or would you like it to become better?
  • [15:57:30] <mru> and if the former, than what?
  • [15:59:16] <ka6sox> I've had better luck with llvm building some things
  • [15:59:40] <ka6sox> I'm having trouble building webkit in less than 4GB of ram for linking so going to try Gold.
  • [16:01:43] <mru> llvm is mostly on par with gcc
  • [16:01:53] <ka6sox> I need another cup of coffee...I'm rambling on more than usual.
  • [16:03:31] <ka6sox> for now I care about x86 and armv7 so it should be good for that.
  • [16:04:36] <mru> yes, they are mostly equal for those targets
  • [16:05:03] <mru> different bugs of course
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  • [16:10:29] <ka6sox> java on embedded systems needs to DIAF...takes something that is already horribly slow...and makes it crawl...like a thirsty man in a desert...:p
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  • [16:11:12] <bzyx> Hi, I'm interested in GSoC idea "Library of Arduino-compatible functions for Linux" is any mentor here?
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  • [16:12:28] <ka6sox> bzyx, who are the "possible mentors"?
  • [16:13:00] * mru can be tormentor
  • [16:13:04] <bzyx> ka6sox: wiki says Jason Kridner, Dave Anders
  • [16:15:24] <ka6sox> neither one Present or Accounted for.
  • [16:16:04] <ka6sox> bzyx, what TZ are you in?
  • [16:16:15] <mru> I suppose we'll just have to impersonate them then
  • [16:16:37] <bzyx> UTC+02, CEST
  • [16:16:46] <mru> jkridner should be easy, just insert javascript or node.js every few words :)
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  • [16:17:46] <bzyx> ka6sox: can you give their nicknames?
  • [16:17:52] <nate_> i see the new beaglebone black is now up on the website. do we have news on actual price / availability yet?
  • [16:18:53] <ka6sox> jkridner, prpplague
  • [16:19:29] <bzyx> ka6sox: thaks :)
  • [16:19:33] <ka6sox> nate_, what is the date?
  • [16:20:16] <nate_> april 20th
  • [16:21:04] <ka6sox> sorry, I just got back from Silicon Valley where they live in a time warp.
  • [16:21:55] <hitlin37> ka6sox: what is time wrap?
  • [16:22:22] <ka6sox> hitlin37, thats probably more accurate than what I said.
  • [16:22:33] <nate_> is more information coming at a later date? didn't see anything on the official site. haven't received any emails about the pre-purchase registrations or anything
  • [16:22:54] <ka6sox> wasn't there some announcement on the 19th?
  • [16:23:40] <mru> maybe it was all a scam
  • [16:25:03] * ka6sox hands mru a PLA printed hat.
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  • [16:30:55] <mranostay> morning
  • [16:31:09] <mru> who let the troll in?
  • [16:31:58] <mranostay> other trolls
  • [16:32:20] * _troll_ hides
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  • [16:39:03] <_av500_> jkridner|work is one
  • [16:39:08] <_av500_> oops
  • [16:39:15] <mru> troll?
  • [16:39:16] <_av500_> darn scrollback
  • [16:39:20] <mru> trollback
  • [16:39:26] <ka6sox> beat me to it
  • [16:39:36] <_av500_> trollfast
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  • [16:42:12] <ka6sox> _av500_, trollfest is more like it.
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  • [16:54:26] <ka6sox> _av500_, you are featured in a number of hardwarebugs... thats a very funny site
  • [16:54:49] <_av500_> ?
  • [16:55:00] <_av500_> yu mean 26+2+6=54?
  • [16:55:00] <mru> I guess he means 26-26-54
  • [16:56:44] <ka6sox> yes
  • [16:56:46] <ka6sox> that one
  • [16:57:00] <ka6sox> * av500 wants a powdered hub
  • [16:57:19] <ka6sox> is that like a powdered donut?
  • [16:57:45] <mranostay> one is useful
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  • [16:59:21] * mranostay is off to IKEA
  • [16:59:49] <_av500_> you in portland already?
  • [17:00:02] <_av500_> or returning your SF stuff?
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  • [17:14:16] <ka6sox> anyone here played with SWD?
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  • [17:17:48] <mranostay> not i
  • [17:17:52] * mranostay is off to IKEA really now
  • [17:18:11] <mru> mranostay: when will you really really be off?
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  • [17:34:19] <ka6sox> mru, he is *always* a little off...
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  • [18:28:18] <remustata> hello all. Is anybody here that can help me with some information about the gsoc projects you offer?
  • [18:30:24] <ka6sox> remustata, what would you like to know?
  • [18:32:35] <remustata> I am interested in applying and I want to know more about the sample hello program I must do as a test
  • [18:32:54] <jkridner|work> announcement of availability / price is on the 23rd
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  • [18:33:16] <jkridner|work> ah, nate_ is gone.
  • [18:33:49] <remustata> I do not own a beagleboard and I never used one but I have significant embedded programming experience
  • [18:34:23] <jkridner|work> remustata: you can test with qemu
  • [18:34:40] <remustata> yes
  • [18:35:30] <jkridner|work> not much else to know... compile a hello world with your name in it and date to run on ARM.
  • [18:35:44] <remustata> I would like to do the project with the CNC and 3D printer stepper motor Drivers, who should I contact?
  • [18:36:23] <jkridner|work> I think the ideas page had some possible mentors...
  • [18:36:47] <jkridner|work> you have to make an application and it is best to get with mentors ahead of time to flesh out the idea a bit.
  • [18:36:55] <ka6sox> remustata, what are you intereseted in doing?
  • [18:37:00] <jkridner|work> beagleboard-gsoc google group is a good way to contact potential mentors.
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  • [18:38:20] <ka6sox> (with the CND stuff
  • [18:38:21] <ka6sox> )
  • [18:38:28] <ka6sox> bleh..kant typ)
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  • [18:39:12] <remustata> ok
  • [18:39:27] <remustata> I pretty much got the info I wanted
  • [18:40:36] <ka6sox> if you are really interested I'll get the board into Fab for this.
  • [18:41:22] <remustata> I need to read a bit more and try stuff out on the simulator before trying on the actual board
  • [18:41:35] <ka6sox> okay understood.
  • [18:41:48] <remustata> thanks again for the info
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  • [18:49:42] <anujdeshpande> jkridner|work, I was wondering about the Arduino compatible functions for Linux project. One would ideally implement and test all the libraries available for Arduino (Ethernet, SPI, Liquid crystal to name a few) on the beagle bone, and package them so that one could add them to /usr/lib. right ?
  • [18:50:10] <jkridner|work> yes, exactly.
  • [18:50:16] <jkridner|work> in a 'libarduino'.
  • [18:50:34] <jkridner|work> Add a pkg-config file, and viola.
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  • [18:52:59] <anujdeshpande> so implementation+testing+packaging. Also, because of the testing part, should the scope include all the libraries available in Arduino ?
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  • [18:55:07] <anujdeshpande> I am actually not getting an idea of how big/small the project will be in terms of Gsoc timeframe
  • [18:59:58] <anujdeshpande> jkridner|work, so implementation+testing+packaging. Also, because of the testing part, should the scope include all the libraries available in Arduino ? I am actually not getting an idea of how big/small the project will be in terms of Gsoc timeframe
  • [19:00:35] <jkridner|work> I think that some analysis of the libraries and the level of effort of each library should be in a good proposal.
  • [19:00:46] <jkridner|work> not necessarily saying 100% of the libraries should be done.
  • [19:02:07] <jkridner|work> SPI, Ethernet and LCD should all be pretty easy...
  • [19:02:12] <anujdeshpande> okay. So I should prioritize libraries based on their benefit and level of effort and then build a proposal ..
  • [19:02:14] <jkridner|work> Ethernet might have some headaches...
  • [19:03:03] <jkridner|work> since it might interfere with normal Linux operation and you probably just want to figure out what people really want to do with it and provide a TCP packet interface that is simpler than BSD sockets.
  • [19:03:13] <jkridner|work> anujdeshpande: exactly.
  • [19:05:23] <anujdeshpande> I should be considering libraries not included in the Arduino ide source code too right ? Keyboard for example
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  • [19:42:59] <ka6sox> wb
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  • [20:08:42] <mru> reason #3829 I hate c++: std::num_get<char, std::istreambuf_iterator<char, std::char_traits<char> > >::do_get(std::istreambuf_iterator<char, std::char_traits<char> >, std::istreambuf_iterator<char, std::char_traits<char> >, std::ios_base&, std::_Ios_Iostate&, float&) const
  • [20:08:59] <mru> something out of spec2k
  • [20:09:37] <ka6sox> reason #1 for me: libboost
  • [20:09:44] <mru> oh yes
  • [20:09:54] <mru> that one has symbol names exceeding 32k in length
  • [20:10:01] <mru> I kid you not
  • [20:10:03] <thurbad_> eeek
  • [20:10:14] <ka6sox> I just know it doesnt' like to compile on armv4t
  • [20:11:37] <ka6sox> basically, if I see g++ running in a build on a native...I go get a coffee...
  • [20:14:02] <mru> on or for?
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  • [20:15:21] <mru> in other "news", my job feels pointless
  • [20:18:58] <mru> hmm, someone likes underscores: __GI_____strtol_l_internal
  • [20:20:15] <ka6sox> mru, both
  • [20:22:25] <mru> what does it need that isn't available on armv4t?
  • [20:22:45] <mru> or is it just generally cross-hostile?
  • [20:24:24] <ka6sox> this was mostly when I was attempting to do something foolish...a native "port" of Debian before they discovered what X-Compiling was...
  • [20:25:01] <mru> afaik they still haven't
  • [20:25:55] <ka6sox> Their Loss.
  • [20:26:54] <mru> we still suffer from it
  • [20:27:00] <ka6sox> I'm sorry...but building libboost in a device that clocks at 266mhz with 32MB of ram is the definition of "masochism"
  • [20:27:07] <mru> anyhow, it's time for some doctor who
  • [20:29:17] <mru> "life-threatening trans-mundane emanations", hmm
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  • [20:57:26] <KotH> it might not be friday anymore, but this is just too sureal not to share: http://dmitry.gr/index.php?r=05.Projects&proj=07.%20Linux%20on%208bit
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  • [21:10:40] <mru> KotH: old
  • [21:11:09] <KotH> damn!
  • [21:11:17] <KotH> and there i thought i found something new
  • [21:11:24] <mru> nothing is new
  • [21:12:10] <sdkie> @KotH: about what??
  • [21:12:27] <KotH> about the sureality of life in #beagle
  • [21:12:54] <mru> 26-26-54 has some good snapshots of that
  • [21:13:33] <sdkie> okay
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  • [21:15:13] <KotH> i like #5 :-)
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  • [22:21:25] <ka6sox> mru, I live on Sidereal Time, not Lunar.
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  • [22:57:08] <angs> If I place CR2033 battery to beagleboard-xm, would it be possible to detect by a software (by reading a signal from the board) when the battery is dead?
  • [22:57:52] <mranostay> angs: ah on what pin?
  • [22:58:19] <mranostay> angs: just use a RTC module :P
  • [22:59:49] <angs> mranostay, if I use RTC module, would it be possible to detect when the battery is dead?
  • [23:00:04] <angs> does it output any signal?
  • [23:02:05] <mranostay> depends on the module i assume
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  • [23:02:22] <mranostay> but those coin cells should last years on a proper RTC
  • [23:03:25] <angs> thank you
  • [23:03:41] <angs> I will check the module datasheet's
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  • [23:07:47] <angs> mranostay, do you know any RTC module that recharge the battery when the board is powered?
  • [23:08:13] <angs> kind of usb module or has a different interface
  • [23:10:57] <mru> who cares about time anyway?
  • [23:11:35] <mru> it might matter if you're networked, but then you can (and should) use ntp
  • [23:11:49] <angs> if it is a closed network?
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  • [23:11:59] <angs> or has no internet connection
  • [23:12:06] <mru> then it either doesn't matter of you can put an ntp server on it
  • [23:12:10] <mru> *or
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  • [23:13:41] <angs> good idea, thank you
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  • [23:14:18] <mru> if absolute time really matters for some reason, you can use a gps module
  • [23:14:38] <mru> as reference for the ntp server
  • [23:16:15] <angs> I dont need a precise time info, I just need to know the time of the day. I guess installing the ntp server is the easiest
  • [23:16:31] <angs> thank for the advise
  • [23:16:50] <angs> advice
  • [23:27:58] <mranostay> oh more maxim smaples
  • [23:33:47] <angs> mru, just in case, do you know any brand name or product number for a gps module that I can attach to the beagleboard?
  • [23:43:08] <mranostay> any?
  • [23:43:21] <mranostay> angs: you'll need to logic level shift for sure
  • [23:44:17] <angs> yes any module
  • [23:44:35] <angs> I have not used gps modules before. I just would like to see an example module
  • [23:45:13] <mru> anything with NMEA interface should work
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  • [23:47:49] <angs> thank you
  • [23:52:24] <mranostay> mru: anything not NMEA anymore?
  • [23:52:49] <mru> did garmin switch?