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  • [01:02:53] <noob123> Hi friends, can anyone help me mounting a External Usb hdd with 1tb ntfs partition ?? Trying "mount -t auto (or ntfs) /dev/sda1 /media/hdd" it gives me the error "mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs'"
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  • [01:03:51] <noob123> forget to say. Angstrom kernel 3.2.28 on bealgeboard xm rev c
  • [01:07:59] <thurbad> you have to format as something that is understood by the OS
  • [01:08:18] <thurbad> there are probably ntfs drivers if you want to install support for ntfs
  • [01:10:54] <noob123> tryed to install "opkg install ntfs-3g" but no success
  • [01:11:17] <noob123> do you know if it is possible to install via opkg ?
  • [01:11:41] <thurbad> did you run opkg update?
  • [01:12:12] <noob123> yes
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  • [01:28:39] <mranostay> heh
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  • [01:42:06] <mranostay> jkridner|work: shift started? :)
  • [01:42:17] <jkridner|work> s/nick jkridner
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  • [01:42:33] <mranostay> FAIL
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  • [03:18:04] <ds2> prpplague: thanks for recommending that scope...it is work about as well as the tek's
  • [03:18:20] <prpplague> ds2: the das oszi?
  • [03:18:36] <ds2> prpplague: the Linux one you were hacking on that had the s3c24xx chip
  • [03:18:46] <ds2> forgot the name (scope is in other room)
  • [03:18:46] <prpplague> ds2: ahh right the das oszi
  • [03:18:55] <ds2> and this is stock
  • [03:19:03] <prpplague> ds2: yea it is sold under so many names i just call it das oszi
  • [03:19:20] <ds2> i suspect i would not be as happy if I got the stm32 based DSO
  • [03:19:29] <ds2> prpplague: yep
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  • [03:19:48] <prpplague> ds2: yea, das oszi is much more of a professional tool, even though it is on the inexpensive side
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  • [03:20:19] <prpplague> biot and CareBear\ did a lot of hacking on it as well
  • [03:20:28] <ds2> I see
  • [03:20:42] <ds2> (and fwiw, I also tried out the bitscope before)
  • [03:23:49] <prpplague> ahh
  • [03:24:04] <prpplague> ds2: well glad my recommendation was fruitful for you
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  • [03:57:55] <nirav> der>
  • [03:57:59] <nirav> anyone der?
  • [03:58:11] <nirav> I am using beagleboard rev-c for a project.
  • [03:58:33] <nirav> my goal is to record audio from a webcam. Microsoft VX-5000
  • [03:58:47] <nirav> i am unable to do so... can anyone help?
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  • [04:03:08] <nirav> der?
  • [04:03:10] <nirav> anyone?
  • [04:04:26] <evilwulfie> interesting
  • [04:04:33] <evilwulfie> store the images on what
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  • [04:07:07] <nirav> i want to capture audio
  • [04:07:11] <nirav> using the webcam
  • [04:07:24] <nirav> i can capture images and store it...
  • [04:07:30] <nirav> but not audio...
  • [04:07:58] <nirav> i have to use alsa arecord command right? i can see the cam as an audio input device too.. on card1..
  • [04:08:53] <evilwulfie> i dont know that camera device
  • [04:16:02] <nirav> whats the command to record audio from any webcam?
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  • [04:41:25] <nirav> i am able to record sound but wen i play back the file there is no sound...
  • [04:41:57] <nirav> i use the command... arecord -f cd -D plughw:1,0 -d 20 test2.wav
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  • [04:47:06] <nirav> can anyone help on this?
  • [04:47:17] <nirav> can i set the recording volume?
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  • [05:44:13] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 2 new commits to 3.8: http://git.io/mF0cqw
  • [05:44:13] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 1dffa3a Koen Kooi: 3.8: fix build when using long paths...
  • [05:44:13] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 8c5d9a6 Koen Kooi: 3.8: interrupt-cells hack and bump PR
  • [05:50:44] <jkridner> koen: any feedback on the right u-boot source to use?
  • [05:52:58] <ds2> isn't that the upstream one with every single feature working perfectly?
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  • [05:55:02] <koen> jkridner: try the black branch on my github
  • [05:55:17] <koen> jkridner: I need to redo the hacks to make it work without an EEPROM
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  • [06:01:30] <jkridner> koen: do you *know* that one is good? I want to build on something known-right.
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  • [06:04:23] <ds2> let's have the initial build vote ;)
  • [06:07:26] <koen> jkridner: u-boot-denx works as well for me
  • [06:07:31] <koen> so that is known good
  • [06:07:59] <jkridner> k, that is the one that freaks me out that it isn't working.
  • [06:08:15] <jkridner> no idea what could go wrong there.
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  • [06:09:16] <Rotti> hi!
  • [06:10:20] <mranostay> hi
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  • [06:30:18] <jkridner> deltas too much... going to sleep
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  • [06:34:43] <mranostay> jkridner: javascript never sleeps man
  • [06:35:02] <ka6sox> what are deltas?
  • [06:35:10] <ka6sox> airlines?
  • [06:36:22] <koen> jkridner: I just rebase into u-boot-arm/HEAD to drag in Toms fixes: https://github.com/koenkooi/u-boot/commits/black
  • [06:39:48] <mranostay> ka6sox: have worthless airmiles with them :)
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  • [06:41:46] <mranostay> @#$@#$ no alliances at all
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  • [06:45:49] <av500> koen: what is special about 0x80007fc0?
  • [06:46:39] <ds2> av500: that's the bad memory location :D
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  • [06:59:26] <koen> av500: kernel load addres minus uImage header size
  • [07:00:21] <koen> 0x80008000
  • [07:01:00] <koen> this will stop u-boot from copying the kernel from 0x820000000 to 0x80008000
  • [07:01:04] <mranostay> practice safe hex
  • [07:01:46] <koen> of course I should just enable zimage support in uboot :)
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  • [07:06:48] <mranostay> morning yegorich
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  • [07:34:51] * KotH yawns
  • [07:35:10] <mranostay> KotH: go back to sleep old dude
  • [07:35:27] <KotH> i would.. if i wouldnt have to work
  • [07:35:48] <KotH> and as we figured out yesterday, i'm not that old yet...
  • [07:35:52] <KotH> i was born after the 6502
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  • [07:52:12] <yegorich> mranostay: morning
  • [07:52:53] * koen stabs himself for solving the -march=all gas problem for the 3rd time
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  • [07:53:16] <yegorich> playing with irssi
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  • [07:55:32] <mranostay> whoa are clock buffers expensive
  • [07:56:05] * mranostay sleeps
  • [07:56:07] <KotH> depends on the frequency
  • [07:56:13] * KotH wakes mranostay up again
  • [07:56:16] <KotH> what do you want to do?
  • [07:56:26] <mranostay> 200 mhz
  • [07:56:51] <ka6sox> sleep 10?
  • [07:57:00] <KotH> mranostay: those shouldnt be expensive
  • [07:57:06] <KotH> <10usd at most
  • [07:57:08] <ka6sox> MAR8
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  • [07:58:57] <KotH> ka6sox: minicircuits mar8?
  • [07:59:18] <ka6sox> ya
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  • [07:59:58] <KotH> do you want to see how mranostay abuses an HF amplifier? :)
  • [08:00:08] <ka6sox> VHF Amp...
  • [08:00:13] <ka6sox> ya, I do...
  • [08:00:16] <ka6sox> should be "interesting"
  • [08:00:26] <ka6sox> he might burn his fingers again.
  • [08:00:31] <KotH> hehe
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  • [08:09:49] <av500> wow, 2^17s time jump
  • [08:13:45] <woglinde> gm
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  • [08:31:39] <mrpackethead> anyone find some bosen hicks today
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  • [08:36:09] <KotH> no, but my msp430 shows a behaviour, that sience cannot explain
  • [08:37:57] <av500> like mine
  • [08:38:01] <av500> at least I cannot
  • [08:38:34] <KotH> what does yours do?
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  • [08:54:00] <dm8tbr> av500: which intel board did your coworker have?
  • [08:55:14] <av500> sec
  • [08:59:17] <dm8tbr> tnx
  • [08:59:32] <av500> dm8tbr: DN2800MT
  • [08:59:48] <dm8tbr> thanks, friend of mine asked for a cheap intel board
  • [09:02:22] <av500> dm8tbr: was ~100??? with RAM
  • [09:02:49] <av500> dunno if there is a newer one
  • [09:03:00] <av500> dm8tbr: bastian uses it as his main PC at home
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  • [09:32:59] <KotH> ok... now it gets really ridiculous: http://techland.time.com/2013/04/02/the-double-standard-in-the-room-redigi-and-the-now-illegal-resale-of-mp3s/
  • [09:33:19] <av500> borink
  • [09:33:25] <av500> mp3's are not *bought*
  • [09:33:31] <av500> hence you cannot resell them
  • [09:33:36] <av500> same for ebooks
  • [09:33:41] <av500> you no buy, you no sell
  • [09:33:42] <KotH> read the explenation
  • [09:33:54] <av500> read what?
  • [09:33:56] <KotH> the judge ruled that you own the mp3s you've bought
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  • [09:34:17] <KotH> but selling them infringes copyright, because you are not giving away your copy, but creating a new one
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  • [09:34:37] <av500> you own the ones you bought
  • [09:34:46] <av500> but most likely you did not *buy* them
  • [09:34:49] <KotH> hehe
  • [09:35:02] <av500> hence that ruling is a non-issue
  • [09:35:10] <KotH> well.. you can see it that way
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  • [09:35:54] <av500> well, I guess thats how the content owners see it
  • [09:36:24] <av500> 2.1 Rights Granted. Upon payment for Music Content, we grant you a non-exclusive, non-transferable right to use the Music Content only for your personal, non-commercial, entertainment use, subject to the Agreement.
  • [09:36:29] <av500> e.e. amazon
  • [09:36:32] <KotH> so the content owner doesnt want to sell mp3s because mp3s will not be bought?
  • [09:36:44] <av500> they will
  • [09:36:52] <av500> but they do not want to "sell" to you the content
  • [09:36:56] <av500> they license it to you
  • [09:37:00] <av500> see what I pasted
  • [09:37:19] <ogra_> you would have to "buy" it on actual media
  • [09:37:31] <ogra_> like "vinyl ebooks "...
  • [09:37:33] <ogra_> ;)
  • [09:37:37] <av500> right
  • [09:37:49] <KotH> av500: i wonder how legal that is
  • [09:37:59] <av500> KotH: well, challenge it
  • [09:38:11] <KotH> av500: dont tempt me :)
  • [09:38:13] <av500> the tech press whines for years about how one cannot resell
  • [09:38:21] <av500> nobody mentions that its not bought
  • [09:38:35] <av500> because whining about resell is easy
  • [09:39:07] <av500> educating people about "licensing" will make amazon place less ads
  • [09:39:17] <av500> simple
  • [09:39:40] <av500> KotH: wrt legal, you are free to decline the amazon TOS
  • [09:39:48] <av500> and buy a physical CD
  • [09:40:20] <KotH> av500: well.. you can argue that amazon is misleading its customers by claiming that you buy the mp3 (the button is clearly labled as "buy this mp3" and not "license this mp3")
  • [09:40:31] <av500> yes
  • [09:40:41] <av500> yet, nobody does
  • [09:40:46] <av500> argue I mean
  • [09:41:00] <KotH> most people have no fucking clue...
  • [09:41:06] <woglinde> you too
  • [09:41:11] <KotH> juup
  • [09:42:12] <KotH> anyways.. lunch time
  • [09:42:16] <KotH> en guete z?me!
  • [09:42:53] <av500> KotH: https://plus.google.com/u/0/105047371315992982745/posts/Cimqj26Hk8b
  • [09:47:56] <woglinde> useless discussion
  • [09:48:02] <woglinde> we had it 100 times
  • [09:48:04] <woglinde> already
  • [09:49:01] <av500> [11:33:19] <av500> borink
  • [09:49:04] <av500> :)
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  • [10:34:59] <shoragan_ptx> Has anyone already tried using the am335x ADC IIO driver? I have /sys/bus/iio/devices/iio:device0/, but the IIO files are missing...
  • [10:35:12] <shoragan_ptx> (with koen's patch stack on 3.8)
  • [10:40:02] <koen> shoragan_ptx: you'll need the iio-helper kernel thing
  • [10:40:25] <koen> shoragan_ptx: try loading /lib/firmware/cape-bone-iio-00A0.dtbo
  • [10:40:45] <koen> shoragan_ptx: for some reason the sysfs entries don't show up in the IIO patches we use
  • [10:41:10] <koen> then again, the patches from TI that we use didn't work at all
  • [10:41:32] <koen> shoragan_ptx: note that the iio-helper readings are in mV, not bits
  • [10:41:40] <koen> so it goes to 1800, not 4096
  • [10:41:47] <koen> (scaling can be changed in the DT)
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  • [11:11:49] <KotH> av500: hehe... i like those "i ignore the law because i dont agree with it" guys
  • [11:14:11] <av500> yes
  • [11:14:35] <av500> that helps a ton when discussing stuff like copyright reforms :)
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  • [11:17:22] <tomba> KotH: I guess french/us/all the other revolutinaries would disagree on your view of obeying the law ;)
  • [11:21:22] <KotH> tomba: i'm swiss, if i disagree with a law, i change it ;)
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  • [11:22:34] <tomba> with your assault rifle? ;)
  • [11:23:57] <KotH> no, that one is reserved only for defending the law :)
  • [11:24:10] <KotH> and fighting off attacks from blue-land
  • [11:26:38] <tomba> hmm, ok, so you (try to) change the law by citizen's initiative, or such, and the people who like drm defend it with assault rifles?
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  • [11:29:33] <KotH> nope, we agree upon a law and then defend it from the evil foreigners with our rifles
  • [11:32:24] <f11f12> hello, I built busybox for my beaglebone but I can't get a console (on USB) my inittab contains a line: ttyS0::respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 115200 vt100 and I get the following output: can't open /dev/ttyS0: No such file or directory. I made a /dev/ttyS0 (character,4,64), so that's present & rw
  • [11:40:51] <woglinde> f11f12 why you do not use official image which has a working busybox
  • [11:41:33] <KotH> and wasnt the device named differntly?
  • [11:43:34] <f11f12> woglinde, my card contains a system based on arago, quite big. where can I get the busybox based image?
  • [11:44:56] <KotH> if you need something small, try buildroot
  • [11:45:13] <KotH> iirc there are receips for beaglebone ready for use
  • [11:45:22] <KotH> and if not... it usually builds w/o probs
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  • [11:47:03] <f11f12> KotH, if there's a busybox based system available, I'd prefer that.
  • [11:49:34] <koen> f11f12: since you're using the TI stuff, you'd need to ask TI for support, not #beagle
  • [11:49:40] <koen> f11f12: e2e.ti.com
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  • [11:51:30] <f11f12> the ti stuff is to big, I just have no local console on my beagle bone using busybox (network/telnet works)
  • [11:55:57] <KotH> if the ti stuff is too big, then dont use it
  • [11:56:20] <av500> TI uses MEGABOX
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  • [12:02:33] <shoragan_ptx> koen, thanks for the pointer, i'll try that
  • [12:03:33] <koen> shoragan_ptx: keep in mind that pretty much all the am335x drivers done by TI india were only tested by putting platform data in board-generic.c
  • [12:03:54] <koen> so the DT paths were never tested
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  • [12:06:49] <av500> koen: so board-generic.c is the new place?
  • [12:07:01] <panto> av500, +1 trolling points
  • [12:07:07] <av500> will there be board-generic-beagle.c?
  • [12:07:30] <av500> panto: I am serious, I need to instruct the Chinese subcontractors
  • [12:07:58] <KotH> beagle...serious business
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  • [12:08:22] <panto> av500, just have them bang on the keyboard until it compiles
  • [12:08:36] <av500> we are past that
  • [12:08:53] <panto> bang on the keyboard while wearing gloves then?
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  • [12:10:44] <KotH> what happens if the chinese take of the gloves?
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  • [12:15:44] <woglinde> +there
  • [12:16:05] <woglinde> f11f12 did you try to run a beagleboard arago image on bone?
  • [12:16:06] <av500> yes
  • [12:16:43] <woglinde> and why has it non working busybox
  • [12:16:48] <woglinde> that makes no sence
  • [12:16:55] <f11f12> woglinde: I've got my own busybox working by now, major/minor should be 253/0
  • [12:17:07] <ogra_> that box was to busy :)
  • [12:17:13] <f11f12> that was all
  • [12:17:28] <woglinde> uhm
  • [12:17:55] <woglinde> hm my magic hands for selfixing
  • [12:18:02] <woglinde> another job well done
  • [12:18:30] <ogra_> jedi waved ?
  • [12:19:27] <f11f12> Still, if there a reference image running busybox I'd be happy to try it. I've googled some of them but I'm not sure which one I should look at. any recommendations?
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  • [12:21:35] <koen> the image on the sd card that came with your beaglebone has busybox
  • [12:22:45] <f11f12> ...had, I'm not the first one who uses this board. can I download it somewhere?
  • [12:23:20] <f11f12> when I got my (used) bone + card it booted the arago stuff
  • [12:27:05] <av500> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone
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  • [12:30:57] <f11f12> ok, thanks!
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  • [12:31:33] <proesel> Hello, Is these the right place for a beagle newbie to ask some questions?
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  • [12:32:19] <KotH> it might be, or it might not be
  • [12:32:28] <KotH> depends on your level of trollresilience
  • [12:33:38] <proesel> Ok, lets test it ;-).
  • [12:34:31] <av500> yes it is
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  • [12:36:29] <proesel> I want to write some code on my beagle. I want to use C and C++. I already installed the ubuntu from the elinux website now I want to choose a IDE. What IDE would you recommend?
  • [12:37:00] <cmicali> proesel: I've had good luck with netbeans - it allows you to remote/build/debug easily.
  • [12:37:28] <cmicali> proesel: here's an oldish tutorial on how to get going: http://mechomaniac.com/BeagleboardDevelopmentWithNetbeans
  • [12:38:18] <cmicali> i'm not a huge netbeans fan, but it's saved me some time, and the gdb interface is nie
  • [12:39:42] <proesel> ok I will try it. Thanks !
  • [12:40:44] <KotH> proesel: use the ide you are most familiar with on the desktop
  • [12:40:54] <KotH> proesel: you will be developing on the desktop anyways
  • [12:41:26] <KotH> proesel: if you need to debug your stuff on the beagle, you will not be the ide but do it by hand, like in the good old days, with printf's and gdb
  • [12:41:48] * KotH throws a few verbs after that sentence...
  • [12:42:06] <ogra_> verbs are overrated
  • [12:42:18] <KotH> yeah..
  • [12:42:23] <KotH> we should be all speaking klingon!
  • [12:42:33] <ogra_> like vowels
  • [12:42:40] <KotH> arabic?
  • [12:43:12] <ogra_> well, definitely not finnish :)
  • [12:43:48] <proesel> I'm new to the business. I used ??Vision for some cortex controllers.
  • [12:44:07] <av500> proesel: for many people here the "IDE" is a text editor and a make file
  • [12:44:23] <KotH> ogra_: yeah.. learning the use of all 15 cases would be a pain
  • [12:44:32] <av500> a very few also use something callled "thinking"
  • [12:44:33] <proesel> but i read that its tricky to install the toolchain
  • [12:45:08] <KotH> yes, extremely tricky... it involves something called "reading a manual" or "reading a howto"
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  • [12:45:30] <av500> KotH: howto read a howto?
  • [12:45:43] <ogra_> exact steps ?
  • [12:45:54] <KotH> av500: that cannot be taught! only experienced!
  • [12:46:09] <KotH> proesel: it might be a bit outdated, but get that book: http://www.amazon.com/Embedded-Linux-Primer-Practical-Real-World/dp/0131679848
  • [12:46:40] <proesel> :-) ok !! give me a change to try it by my self. Then I will see how tricky it is
  • [12:46:48] <av500> sure
  • [12:46:52] <av500> change given
  • [12:47:07] <ogra_> how much was it ?
  • [12:47:11] * ogra_ couldnt see
  • [12:47:12] <av500> exact change!
  • [12:47:15] <ogra_> !
  • [12:47:24] <KotH> change we can believe in?
  • [12:47:39] <ogra_> yes we can !
  • [12:47:39] <av500> exact
  • [12:47:44] <ogra_> (it was exact after all)
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  • [12:49:10] <KotH> proesel: oh.. and in case you do not allready: throw away all your windows machines and start working on linux only
  • [12:49:16] <keesj> proesel: it can be quite hard to get started (and using an ide might be a dead end). if the code is high level enough develop using something like qt and qtcreator
  • [12:49:31] <av500> depends
  • [12:49:32] <KotH> proesel: and dont use ubuntu or redhat or suse.. use something archaic like debian or arch
  • [12:49:39] <av500> SLS?
  • [12:49:44] <KotH> LFS
  • [12:50:10] <KotH> though, since lfs got published, doing an lfs got too easy
  • [12:50:26] <av500> then start with less than scratch
  • [12:50:34] <av500> lfta
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  • [12:50:51] <keesj> proesel: it looks like this channel won't be helpfull today
  • [12:51:03] <ogra_> kernel and busybox are enough for everyone !
  • [12:51:12] <av500> ogra_: kernel is enough
  • [12:51:21] <av500> proesel: just bear with us
  • [12:51:21] <ogra_> cant run shell scripts
  • [12:51:37] <av500> ogra_: systemd does not need no friggin shell scripts
  • [12:51:46] <ogra_> lol
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  • [12:52:08] <av500> proesel: what kind of development are you looking at?
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  • [12:52:30] <KotH> keesj: why not?
  • [12:52:34] <keesj> proesel: Android has nice development tools and many books
  • [12:52:37] <proesel> For the moment I decided for the ubuntu 12.04 . You dont think thats ok for the begining?
  • [12:52:55] <KotH> keesj: so far, the channel seems to be very helpfull.. at least we didnt hang proesel or burn him on the stake.. just for fun :)
  • [12:53:03] <KotH> er.. i mean.. for SCIENCE!
  • [12:53:09] <av500> fun!
  • [12:53:32] <av500> proesel: why not go with what comes with the board?
  • [12:53:37] <av500> i.e. angstrom
  • [12:53:52] <cmicali> proesel: it's fine, depending on what your target project is though you may want to use angstrom
  • [12:54:42] <KotH> proesel: could it be that a lot of people are starting doing something with the beagle at LRZ these days?
  • [12:55:19] <proesel> I want to use it for my bachelor thesis. The task is to build a type of navigation device.
  • [12:55:33] <proesel> Oh yes,
  • [12:56:29] <proesel> many people start at the moment. Exams are ofer and we have some weeks to work fulltime on the projects
  • [12:56:57] <KotH> ah.. that explains the inrush of bavarians
  • [12:57:12] <proesel> :-)
  • [12:57:22] <ogra_> if you want to do ubuntu and navigational stuff, i'd go with ubuntu touch instead (though there is no port for the beagle yet)
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  • [12:57:37] <ogra_> ubuntu desktop isnt actually an embedded system
  • [12:57:47] <ogra_> fo a desktop on the XM ... better take angstrom
  • [12:58:48] <av500> navigation as in installing Android and using google maps?
  • [12:59:25] <proesel> ok I understand that.
  • [13:00:28] <proesel> navigation at 3D space without maps
  • [13:00:55] <ogra_> yeah, you definitely dont want ubuntu ...
  • [13:01:22] <ogra_> (unless you want to use UTouch)
  • [13:01:36] <proesel> but is it ok if I use ubuntu for the moment and switch after ?
  • [13:01:46] <ogra_> as you like ...
  • [13:02:40] <av500> proesel: you can do 90% of your development on any linux PC
  • [13:02:41] <ogra_> if you work on high level it doesnt really matter exept for the spare resources the system gives you in the end ..
  • [13:03:01] <av500> ogra_: fun, we said the same in different words :)
  • [13:03:09] <ogra_> and there ubuntu desktop really sucks ... it simply isnt designed for such HW
  • [13:03:16] <ogra_> av500, heh, yeah
  • [13:03:38] * av500 quotes ogra: [15:03:08] <ogra_> and there ubuntu desktop really sucks ..<truncated>
  • [13:03:56] <ogra_> proesel, note that i work for canonical, and actually did the first port of ubuntu to the beagle ... i would every time recommend angstrom on that device
  • [13:04:08] <ogra_> over ubuntu desktop ...
  • [13:04:11] <KotH> lol
  • [13:04:20] <KotH> company dedication ;)
  • [13:05:30] <Crofton|work> ogra_, thanks for being honest :)
  • [13:05:31] <ogra_> pure realism :)
  • [13:06:17] <proesel> ok, and is there a build angstrom distribution you would recommend? or would you build one from these builder (cant remember the name)
  • [13:06:43] <proesel> narcissus
  • [13:06:48] * ogra_ hands over to the angstrom guys :)
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  • [13:07:43] <av500> proesel: you can start from a stock image
  • [13:07:48] <Crofton|work> heh, I've been known to suggest ubuntu to people who annoy me
  • [13:07:59] <av500> and then opkg install what you need
  • [13:08:13] <av500> or you can spare a few h and GB and compile it yourself
  • [13:08:14] * Crofton|work runs his own builds and is not sure what the entry level path is
  • [13:08:39] <av500> Crofton|work: but you are a level2 advanced noob
  • [13:08:51] <Crofton|work> :)
  • [13:09:36] <Crofton|work> we ned jkridner
  • [13:09:40] <proesel> level 2 . which I deserve this?
  • [13:09:47] <Crofton|work> or look at bb.org
  • [13:09:48] <jkridner> ?
  • [13:11:22] <Crofton|work> do we have instructions for installing the xm vaildation image
  • [13:11:23] <keesj> it's all just to compilated. use Android
  • [13:11:34] <av500> keesj: ???
  • [13:11:43] <av500> not minix?
  • [13:12:00] <keesj> next you need to choose a ui and development language and next... start doing opengl and dbus stuff
  • [13:12:25] <Crofton|work> https://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleBoardDiagnosticsNext
  • [13:13:19] <koen> Crofton|work: please don't point people to that code.google site
  • [13:13:28] <keesj> av500: MINIX doesn't have c++ support or a proper ui (but we are working on it)
  • [13:13:31] <koen> Crofton|work: we've been trying to kill it with fire for some years now
  • [13:14:17] <KotH> koen: what's wrong with it?
  • [13:14:18] <av500> koen: its a wiki
  • [13:14:21] <av500> delete it
  • [13:14:23] <KotH> koen: beside endorsing ec2
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  • [13:14:39] <Crofton|work> well, what is the proper url
  • [13:15:04] <Crofton|work> I got there from here: http://beagleboard.org/hardware-xM
  • [13:15:30] <keesj> http://www.minix3.org/other/MINIX-demo-720.mp4 shows state of the art MINIX ui and hardware development(on the beagle)
  • [13:16:30] <keesj> we can only handle spacial movements in one direction :P
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  • [14:10:04] <Stefan_____> Hi guys! I finally got back to working on my PRU stuff :) But I don't seem to be able to boot the kernel :) I get this -- any ideas? http://pastebin.com/p4Mt1ASu
  • [14:10:41] <jkridner> keesj: is that a link I can post to the Google+ news feed?
  • [14:12:08] <woglinde> stefan Error: unrecognized/unsupported machine ID (r1 = 0x00000e05).
  • [14:12:20] <woglinde> its clear nor?
  • [14:12:28] <koen> alan_o: http://hastebin.com/qaqajojabu.m
  • [14:12:41] <woglinde> your device tree file find no match in the kernel
  • [14:14:11] <av500> id rather say he has no device tree
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  • [14:15:12] <woglinde> av500 hm and linux 3.8.4 has prober bone support?
  • [14:15:18] <Stefan_____> av500: that's the dts file right?
  • [14:15:31] <av500> yes
  • [14:15:34] <av500> woglinde: yes
  • [14:15:43] <woglinde> okay
  • [14:15:50] <alan_o> koen: woot!
  • [14:15:51] <woglinde> I thought was 3.2 or so
  • [14:16:03] <av500> woglinde: all the current work is on 3.8
  • [14:16:21] <woglinde> okay
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  • [14:17:14] <Stefan______> srry, had to reconnect
  • [14:17:26] <Stefan______> So I followed the instructions...
  • [14:17:35] <Stefan______> Must have done something wrong I suppose
  • [14:17:51] <Stefan______> the dts and uImage go on in /boot in rootfs, or on the other partition?
  • [14:18:29] <av500> yes
  • [14:18:34] <av500> but your uboot has to load dts
  • [14:18:38] <av500> or dtb
  • [14:18:48] <av500> pastebin a boot log
  • [14:18:56] <Stefan______> I did
  • [14:19:00] <panto> if you use the beagleboard kernel just do make uImage-dtb.am335x-bone to get a combined uImage+dtb
  • [14:19:02] <cmicali> Stefan______: maybe stupid question, but you put the .dtb in /boot, not dts right?
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  • [14:19:18] <av500> Stefan_____too old
  • [14:19:25] <av500> Stefan______: too old
  • [14:19:34] <Stefan______> http://pastebin.com/p4Mt1ASu
  • [14:19:37] <av500> get a recent uboot or append the dtb
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  • [14:19:38] <Stefan______> av500: too old?
  • [14:19:42] <av500> your uboot
  • [14:19:49] <av500> or rather your env
  • [14:20:03] <woglinde> lol yes
  • [14:20:04] <woglinde> 2011.0
  • [14:20:09] <Stefan______> av500: It's the latest image from the angstrom site
  • [14:20:09] <woglinde> thats old
  • [14:20:24] <cmicali> Stefan______: you have to build and install a newer uboot to your sdcard
  • [14:20:33] <cmicali> there is unfortunately no image available for the newer one
  • [14:20:34] <av500> Stefan______: yes, it works with the latest kernel there
  • [14:20:40] <Stefan______> cmicali: I had a hunch
  • [14:20:42] <av500> but not with 3.8
  • [14:20:45] <Stefan______> av500: Got a tutorial :D
  • [14:20:48] <woglinde> newer MLO too?
  • [14:21:03] <Stefan______> av500: I mean do you have a link :)
  • [14:21:12] <woglinde> I wonder how he gets such old uboot and such a new kernel from one site
  • [14:21:19] <av500> he does not
  • [14:21:25] <Stefan______> woglinde: yes I did not
  • [14:21:26] <cmicali> stock sd image + new kernel
  • [14:21:28] <av500> and never said that
  • [14:21:52] <Stefan______> woglinde: Just like av500 and cmicali said it :) -- got the image from the angstrom site, and the latest kernel from github
  • [14:22:04] <av500> 1) get mainline uboot and compile
  • [14:22:08] <av500> 2) do as panto said
  • [14:22:19] <av500> 2) comes with trusting a greek, so beware...
  • [14:22:37] <Stefan______> av500: could you repeat what panto said -- I lost it in the disconnect :(
  • [14:23:08] <Stefan______> av500: so 1) is as simple as that? Is it compile or cross-compile?
  • [14:24:09] <av500> [16:19:00] <panto> if you use the beagleboard kernel just do make uImage-dtb.am335x-bone to get a combined uImage+dtb
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  • [14:24:21] <av500> Stefan______: cross I would say
  • [14:24:28] <av500> since you cannot boot :)
  • [14:25:53] <Stefan______> av500: I heard the compile options are tricky to get right though
  • [14:27:25] <av500> nope
  • [14:27:57] <av500> ake CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux- am335x_evm
  • [14:28:01] <av500> make*
  • [14:28:54] <Stefan______> Cool :)
  • [14:28:57] <Stefan______> Thanks!
  • [14:29:19] <Stefan______> cmicali was kind enough to give me the result of that so I think I'll skip the step
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  • [14:30:03] <av500> Stefan______: cheater
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  • [14:30:15] * bradfa loves the Internet
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  • [14:31:01] <av500> 10 5.25" floppies for 7??? + shipping
  • [14:33:06] <Stefan______> av500: It's now stuck in a loop -- http://pastebin.com/iZDZBWnx
  • [14:33:14] * f11f12 gives av500 a TK50 tape
  • [14:33:51] <av500> that wont fit the Osborne1
  • [14:34:08] <av500> Stefan______: kill the uEnv.txt pls
  • [14:34:11] <av500> use the stock
  • [14:34:23] <av500> I see no loading of dtb in your log
  • [14:34:46] <Stefan______> av500: not done the uImage dtb combo thing panto suggested yet
  • [14:34:53] <Stefan______> av500: should I before the next attempt?
  • [14:35:05] <av500> ?
  • [14:35:06] <Stefan______> av500: I am using the proposed uEnv.txt from the repo
  • [14:35:42] <Stefan______> I've not done this: [16:19:00] <panto> if you use the beagleboard kernel just do make uImage-dtb.am335x-bone to get a combined uImage+dtb
  • [14:35:57] <Stefan______> I just made a separate uImage and dtb
  • [14:36:03] <av500> and a newer uboot?
  • [14:36:55] <Stefan______> yes, you can see from the pastebin it's
  • [14:37:02] <Stefan______> U-Boot 2012.10 (Feb 25 2013 - 11:10:28)
  • [14:37:07] <av500> what proposed uenv?
  • [14:37:18] <av500> you dont need uenv
  • [14:37:23] <av500> just stock mainline uboot
  • [14:37:48] <Stefan______> The one from here: https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8
  • [14:38:18] <woglinde> av500 is in good mood
  • [14:38:24] <av500> ah
  • [14:38:40] <Stefan______> av500: Sorry for the dumb questions but Linux booting is a dark art for me :) It's like magic
  • [14:38:51] <mdp> it *is* magic
  • [14:39:10] <mdp> others will try to persuade you that it's some kind of science..but they lie
  • [14:39:20] <av500> CPU runs SW, film at 11
  • [14:39:29] <Stefan______> lol
  • [14:39:31] <mdp> "It's just software!"
  • [14:39:35] <Stefan______> so what do I do :D
  • [14:39:55] <mdp> when in danger or in doubt run in circles scream and shout
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  • [14:40:33] <Stefan______> mdp: Did that -- good thing is that there's nobody around :D
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  • [14:49:14] <bradfa> mdp, my coworkers think there's something wrong with me
  • [14:49:27] <bradfa> I'll try your advice
  • [14:49:55] <Stefan______> av500: Ok, fixed it :)
  • [14:50:10] <Stefan______> av500: stock uEnv + the combined uImage+dtb is good
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  • [14:50:51] <av500> hmm
  • [14:51:01] <Stefan______> does this look reasonable? http://pastebin.com/H2RX27Z7
  • [14:52:49] <KotH> woglinde: must be chocolate induced
  • [14:53:42] <Stefan______> KotH: Argh, don't mention chocolate, now I need to go buy some from the corner store :/
  • [14:54:08] <woglinde> I am going home now
  • [14:54:11] <woglinde> till later
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  • [14:54:15] <KotH> cya woglinde
  • [14:54:21] <panto> cya
  • [14:54:32] <KotH> Stefan______: but do yourself a favor and buy only good swiss chocolate
  • [14:54:44] <KotH> Stefan______: and not those cheap ripoffs!
  • [14:54:46] <KotH> ;)
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  • [14:55:06] <Stefan______> KotH: I'll see what the budget allows for when I get there -- Lindt ok?
  • [14:57:58] <KotH> lindt is ok
  • [14:58:09] <KotH> though i like l?derach better
  • [14:58:18] <KotH> callier isnt bad either
  • [14:58:22] <Stefan______> I don't think we get either here
  • [14:58:24] <Stefan______> :(
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  • [14:58:30] <KotH> third world country!
  • [14:58:35] <Stefan______> It's Cadburry's which is horrible!
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  • [14:58:58] <Stefan______> brb
  • [14:59:10] <KotH> please dont use the c-word around me, thanks
  • [14:59:22] <Stefan______> lol, I apologize
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  • [15:00:07] <mdp> bradfa, I look strange even doing that in the home office
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  • [15:01:16] <KotH> something is wrong
  • [15:01:26] <KotH> i'm alone... in the office.. at 17:00
  • [15:01:45] <av500> run
  • [15:01:49] * KotH hides
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  • [15:07:15] <av500> nice one: ...Galaksija's interpreter can report only a few error messages - "WHAT?" (used for syntax errors), "HOW?" (indicating that requested operation is theoretically impossible) and "SORRY" (errors due to system limitations). This made more ROM space available to code....
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  • [15:12:44] <Wulfman> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian <--- will this run on the bone ? it says beagleboard
  • [15:12:53] <av500> bone != board
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  • [15:13:01] <Wulfman> i realize that
  • [15:13:14] <av500> ah
  • [15:13:16] <Wulfman> i want debian for the bone and thats what i saw
  • [15:13:17] <av500> it mentions bone
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  • [15:13:32] <av500> so it might
  • [15:13:35] <Wulfman> i am waiting the black
  • [15:13:39] <Wulfman> for
  • [15:14:28] <koen> hmmm
  • [15:14:36] <koen> 205: 42744 GPIO spi1.0
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  • [15:26:15] <wmat> koen: how long should a BBB take to boot with the latest image? Mine has been blinking at me for 15 minutes or so now.
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  • [15:29:19] <Stefan______> wmat: it takes mine less than 45 secs
  • [15:29:32] <wmat> hmmm
  • [15:29:46] * wmat probably screwed up the sdcard
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  • [15:30:04] <koen> wmat: 20 seconds or so
  • [15:30:22] <Stefan______> wmat: mine just took 17 or so seconds
  • [15:30:45] <wmat> perhaps I'll wipe the sdcard and start over
  • [15:30:52] <Stefan______> wmat: sounds like a plan :)
  • [15:31:03] <Stefan______> why don't you connect to the console and see what's going on?
  • [15:31:11] <Stefan______> or there is no console?
  • [15:31:28] <wmat> Stefan______: yes, perhaps I'll try that first
  • [15:32:03] <av500> the console is a lie
  • [15:32:18] <Stefan______> av500: good choice in games ;)
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  • [15:34:27] <wmat> ugh, Failed to get D-Bus connection
  • [15:34:54] <wmat> i'm sure i did something wrong along the way
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  • [15:39:05] <proesel> NetBeans looks good to me and it is almost running. I just get one error which I do not get along.
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  • [15:43:19] <proesel> bin/sh:2 cd: cant' cd to /Welcome BUILD FAILED (exit value -1, total time: 265ms)
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  • [15:44:53] <proesel> I set full rights at the board
  • [15:46:04] <av500> /Welcome?
  • [15:47:50] <proesel> Welcome back. So you will be kicked after a time. I thought its quite now
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  • [15:48:47] <mdp> wb kkeller
  • [15:49:11] <av500> proesel: kicked by who?
  • [15:49:15] <kkeller> thanks mdp - good afternoon (almost) to you
  • [15:49:25] <proesel> by time out i guess
  • [15:50:06] <av500> must be your side
  • [15:50:16] <keesj> jkridner sure
  • [15:50:31] <proesel> possible
  • [15:50:35] <KotH> av500: i like the radio program with the galakija program :)
  • [15:50:49] <mdp> keller, thank you..and good morning
  • [15:51:25] <KotH> what is with all those poples asking for netbeans?
  • [15:51:34] <KotH> peoples*
  • [15:51:46] <thurbad> maybe java/android?
  • [15:51:58] <keesj> beans, bones
  • [15:52:07] <mdp> netblackbeans
  • [15:52:48] <av500> mrbeans
  • [15:53:41] <av500> KotH: radio?
  • [15:53:57] <proesel> I just did the NetBeans tutorial, but finaly there is a problem. But I guess its more a conection fail then a NetBeans problem
  • [15:54:08] <KotH> av500: Among standard ways of distributing software, Galaksija programs used to be broadcast over FM Radio "Beograd 202" in a show Ventilator 202, hosted by Zoran Modli. At 280 bit/s, a mere 2 KB program would take a whole minute of characteristic noise that only computer enthusiasts enjoyed.
  • [15:54:27] <jkridner> Wulfman: Have you seen that http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian has a list of board options including "BeagleBone Ax - bone"
  • [15:54:48] <koen> jkridner: any updates on cppi/uboot leds/icons/background?
  • [15:56:04] <av500> KotH: ah yes
  • [15:56:14] <KotH> av500: did you listen to those programs? :)
  • [15:56:22] <av500> no reception in Frankfurt
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  • [16:02:48] <Stefan______> Stupid question but which device do I use in the TI PinMux tool for the bone?
  • [16:03:21] <Stefan______> rev1.0 or rev2.0?
  • [16:03:32] <Stefan______> I mean 1.x or 2.x
  • [16:04:50] <av500> I guess 2.x
  • [16:04:59] <av500> TI 1.x silicon is rarely any good
  • [16:05:01] <jkridner> koen: nope
  • [16:05:31] <Stefan______> av500: :)
  • [16:05:39] <Stefan______> av500: Do the voltages make any difference?
  • [16:06:39] <av500> ?
  • [16:07:27] <Stefan______> av500: well after you select your package type, it asks you to give some IO Power Connection voltages
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  • [16:18:46] <mdp> av500, bah, 1.0 ought to be enough for anybody.
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  • [16:21:06] <Stefan______> Hmmm
  • [16:21:54] <Stefan______> So the pinmux tool allows me to see a dynamic version of the table that's in the beagle bone documentation with regard to the output pins?
  • [16:21:55] <jkridner> Stefan______: existing bone uses 1.0
  • [16:21:56] <Stefan______> Is that it?
  • [16:22:01] <jkridner> next-gen bone uses 2.0
  • [16:22:06] <jkridner> initially anyway
  • [16:22:07] <Stefan______> jkridner: Thanks!
  • [16:22:27] * jkridner hasn't found a need for the pinmux tool
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  • [16:35:01] <Stefan______> jkridner: I am tempted to agree
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  • [16:40:28] <ka6sox> DT is a PITA....that is all...
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  • [16:40:57] <proesel> can someone help me and has advice for me, If IBulid in Netbeans I get / bin / sh: 2 cd: can not cd to / Welcome.
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  • [16:54:45] <mdp> ka6sox, quit fighting it...a tender embrace and it will be your friend
  • [16:58:10] <thurbad> proesel: you'll need to give more info than that probably
  • [16:59:07] <proesel> I did the NetBeans tutorial http://mechomaniac.com/BeagleboardDevelopmentWithNetbeans
  • [17:01:11] <proesel> connected the board with my windows pc. I tried a Hello World code. At the folder on the board I got a new folder with the name of the program and a lot of files welcome.h welcome.cc
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  • [17:03:15] <proesel> but if I try to build the code the files are transferd to the board but I get the "/bin/sh :2 : cd can't cd to /Welcome" Error
  • [17:04:23] * ogra_ has no clue about Macs
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  • [17:05:04] <proesel> I thought it could be a rights problem, so i set the folder to 777 but same error
  • [17:05:09] <ogra_> but it smells like it creates a broken directory expecting the filesystem to handle spaces in pathnames without quiting them
  • [17:05:15] <ogra_> *quoting
  • [17:06:23] <thurbad> did you set up samba sharing on the beagle?
  • [17:06:35] <proesel> yes
  • [17:07:26] <thurbad> what directory did yo u configure to share, and did you mount it already?
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  • [17:09:24] <proesel> my directory is /mnt/projects .Netbeans allready creats some folders in /mn/projects
  • [17:09:47] <ka6sox> mdp, like embracing a ticking time bomb?
  • [17:10:48] <thurbad> no, you have to share a folder on the beagle a... root is easiest, but not secure
  • [17:11:59] <thurbad> that requires some manual samba setup on the board, unless you have a GUI to do it
  • [17:13:45] <thurbad> I use netbeans occasionally for remote debugging only every time the ip changes you have to set up a new host/project/ a bit annoying
  • [17:14:16] <proesel> I use a fix ip
  • [17:14:28] <thurbad> on the beagle?
  • [17:14:33] <proesel> yes
  • [17:14:45] <thurbad> ok, that makes it a bit easier
  • [17:15:42] <proesel> and to share the folder I changed someting at . give me a second I will have a look
  • [17:16:58] <proesel> I add at the /etc/samba/smb.comf the share setings
  • [17:18:17] <thurbad> ok and you've mounted a network drive in windows?
  • [17:19:10] <proesel> yes, but netbeans prefers the path, like \\ARM/share/
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  • [17:20:24] <thurbad> I haven't tried it with netbeans on windows.. I use macOS
  • [17:20:40] <mranostay> vim!
  • [17:20:47] <mranostay> \o/
  • [17:20:54] <mranostay> ||
  • [17:20:56] <proesel> on my "Remote Path" I only have an "/" I hope thats ok. Its like shown at the tutoral.
  • [17:21:05] <mranostay> -/\
  • [17:21:39] <thurbad> but I assume netbeans wants something like z:\\ on the local side
  • [17:21:39] <Russ> *sigh*, right in the middle of his dance move
  • [17:21:52] <mranostay> yes thoughtless proesel
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  • [17:23:00] <thurbad> where z is the drive you mapped the samba share to... / is ok, if you've shared root in samba
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  • [17:23:59] <proesel> ok I will check these
  • [17:24:09] <thurbad> can you navigate through the mounted drive to the /bin/ directory and the directory where your code resides?
  • [17:25:43] <proesel> yes I can see the code on the board and also from the windows side via the network
  • [17:28:09] <ogra_> proesel, and this Welcome directory lives where exactly ? (and what was the full name again ?)
  • [17:30:31] <proesel> :ogra_ the directory is on root@arm:/mnt/projects# The Name of the folder is Welcome_2
  • [17:30:54] <ogra_> why 2 ?
  • [17:31:03] <proesel> second try
  • [17:31:10] <ogra_> you seem to fail on a plain "Welcome"
  • [17:31:33] <ogra_> ah
  • [17:31:34] <proesel> no i tried Welcome tow times
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  • [17:33:09] <thurbad> you also have ssh configured on the board?
  • [17:33:47] <proesel> thurbad: if I change the "Local Path" from \\ARM\share" to "Z.\" I got some errors "The follwing required paths are not resoved by those mappins: \\ARM\share\Argumentest ........"
  • [17:35:41] <proesel> I'm not sure about the ssh
  • [17:36:13] <thurbad> if you can ssh in it's good
  • [17:36:37] <thurbad> otherwise you won't be able to run commands remotely
  • [17:37:32] <wmat> hmmm, where'd uImage-3.8.5 go? :/
  • [17:38:29] <mranostay> wmat: i hid it
  • [17:38:41] <wmat> damn you!
  • [17:38:52] * wmat looks under chair
  • [17:38:59] <proesel> how can i check if I can "ssh in it" ?
  • [17:39:50] <mranostay> are we talking Samba shares in here?..
  • [17:40:19] <thurbad> yeah... a little
  • [17:42:15] <thurbad> I suppose you can download putty if you don't have any ssh client installed already
  • [17:42:19] <ogra_> mranostay, ssh driven sambashares for netbeans :)
  • [17:42:37] <ogra_> buzzword bingo :)
  • [17:42:39] <mranostay> oh christ
  • [17:42:42] <thurbad> lol
  • [17:42:57] <thurbad> \o/
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  • [17:49:21] <woglinde> re
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  • [17:52:01] <proesel> sorry got a disconnect
  • [17:54:09] <thurbad> proesel: thurbad: I suppose you can download putty if you don't have any ssh client installed already
  • [17:54:50] <proesel> thurbad: putty works, so I can connect to the board
  • [17:55:00] <proesel> via putty
  • [17:55:22] <woglinde> or serial console via putty
  • [17:55:23] <woglinde> haha
  • [17:56:17] <proesel> So if I change the "Project Location" for a new Project to "Z:\" I got the masseage "Project Location is not valid path"
  • [17:56:35] <woglinde> project location?
  • [17:56:42] <woglinde> css?
  • [17:56:48] <thurbad> is z the network drive that you mounted?
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  • [17:57:09] <proesel> yes Z:\ is the network drive
  • [17:58:18] <thurbad> well.. if all else fails there is the console ~.~
  • [17:59:03] <thurbad> gdb will let you debug from the command line
  • [18:00:34] <proesel> I'm a little bit scared about the console. I connect it to "expert" not to newbie
  • [18:02:15] <thurbad> experts start somewhere :)
  • [18:04:58] <proesel> That makes courage. I'll try again tomorrow. If it does not work, I'll probably start with the console.
  • [18:12:00] <proesel> Thanks a lot for the moment. Beautiful evening
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  • [18:26:54] <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/924pnQ
  • [18:26:54] <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 b6f61c4 Koen Kooi: 3.8: add support for more DVI capes, fix thumb2 build...
  • [18:30:03] <mranostay> Crofton|work: how did that LED work out?
  • [18:34:44] <KotH> console? expert? what has the world come to....
  • [18:36:26] <KotH> and people being afraid of computers... as if they would rise, take control over all weapons systems and kill all humans...
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  • [18:56:59] <Crofton|work> mranostay, I haven't had time to play with it :(
  • [18:57:07] <mranostay> bummer
  • [18:57:59] <mranostay> anyone know a fast buffer IC (200 mhz) that can work on 3.3v and 5v logic?
  • [18:58:16] <mranostay> supply voltage of 3.3
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  • [19:02:19] <mrpackethead> mranostay: are you familar with RFC6921.
  • [19:02:30] <mrpackethead> it might help you with your buffering problem
  • [19:03:00] <mrpackethead> I'm assuming your sticking your buffer on the PRU
  • [19:03:07] <mranostay> yes
  • [19:04:35] <mranostay> faster than light comm RFC?
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  • [19:05:53] <mrpackethead> can you power the buffer from 5V rather than 3.3V
  • [19:05:56] <mrpackethead> that will help no need
  • [19:06:20] <mranostay> PRU inputs are only 3.3v
  • [19:06:54] <mrpackethead> yeah. but can you power the buffer from 5V
  • [19:07:16] <mranostay> then voltage divided the output?
  • [19:07:26] <mranostay> *divide
  • [19:07:46] <KotH> mranostay: what kind of singals do you want to buffer?
  • [19:07:58] <mranostay> all kinds
  • [19:08:01] <KotH> mranostay: logic? some protocol?
  • [19:08:04] <mranostay> logic
  • [19:08:07] <ka6sox> input or output?
  • [19:08:11] <mranostay> input
  • [19:08:12] <KotH> any raise time constraints?
  • [19:08:18] <mrpackethead> cheese-faster-then-light protocol
  • [19:08:25] <KotH> synchronous, async?
  • [19:08:39] <mranostay> logic analyzer is the application
  • [19:08:41] <KotH> and what's wrong with using some 74lv* ?
  • [19:09:10] <KotH> who does the sampling? fpga or the buffer?
  • [19:09:54] <mranostay> PRU
  • [19:10:06] <KotH> hmm.. i wouldnt do that
  • [19:10:28] <KotH> i would use some external latch for the sampling
  • [19:12:06] <mranostay> KotH: example?
  • [19:12:29] <mrpackethead> mranostay: HC logic, typicaly i about 10-12nS
  • [19:13:31] <KotH> http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/product.do?id=MC74VHC373
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  • [19:13:39] <KotH> nearly fits the bill
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  • [19:15:09] <mrpackethead> wo, give or take 100Mhz, so not fast enough
  • [19:15:42] <mranostay> doesn't it need to be under 5ns rise/fall time? :)
  • [19:15:49] <mrpackethead> yup
  • [19:15:53] <mrpackethead> AHC
  • [19:15:59] <mrpackethead> is faster
  • [19:16:12] <mrpackethead> ALVC is faster again
  • [19:16:27] <mrpackethead> i think its about 2ns if i my brain is connecing properly
  • [19:18:16] <KotH> mranostay: http://www.fairchildsemi.com/pf/74/74LVTH16646.html (goes up to 150MHz)
  • [19:22:27] <mranostay> getting closer
  • [19:22:30] <KotH> hmm.. looks like all the common logic familiy registers and latches go only up to 100-150MHz
  • [19:22:41] <KotH> and i doubt you want to go PECL
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  • [19:23:16] <KotH> mranostay: http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/product.do?id=MC74VHC244
  • [19:23:21] <mranostay> wow those are pricey
  • [19:23:21] <KotH> mranostay: that buffer would do
  • [19:23:36] <KotH> you wouldnt care about pricey
  • [19:23:43] <KotH> PECL is a beast to get working correctly
  • [19:23:50] <mranostay> why is that?
  • [19:23:51] <mranostay> noise?
  • [19:23:51] <KotH> they are litterally too fast for their own good :)
  • [19:23:57] <mranostay> nice..
  • [19:24:15] <KotH> *ECL goes usually up to 1GHz
  • [19:24:59] <KotH> but that comes with the price of very high V/us -> high EMI emitance
  • [19:25:25] <KotH> which requires a design for GHz electronics.. always
  • [19:25:43] <mranostay> KotH: how would that buffer do?
  • [19:26:40] <KotH> the skew is less than 1ns, so it should be fine
  • [19:27:07] <KotH> havent seen any data on the rise/fall times (still looking for the family datasheet)
  • [19:27:20] <prpplague> jkridner: ping
  • [19:27:26] <jkridner> pong
  • [19:27:29] <mranostay> cool
  • [19:27:38] <jkridner> bacon! :-)
  • [19:27:48] <mranostay> KotH: at 5v supply i assume
  • [19:28:20] <mranostay> jkridner: order in?
  • [19:28:21] <KotH> er.. right
  • [19:28:25] <KotH> mranostay: 1.5ns at 3.3
  • [19:28:30] <KotH> mranostay: you do want to run it at 3.3
  • [19:28:43] <mranostay> yeah
  • [19:28:47] <KotH> mranostay: the thing has 5v tolerant inputs and is esd protected
  • [19:29:00] <KotH> mranostay: two _very_ important things for a logic analyzer
  • [19:29:11] * mranostay marks KotH for a free sample
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  • [19:35:45] <KotH> mranostay: found one!
  • [19:35:47] <KotH> mranostay: http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/74ALVT16374.pdf
  • [19:35:54] <KotH> mranostay: 250MHz 16bit register
  • [19:36:34] * ka6sox uses XC9536XL for "buffer"
  • [19:36:38] <ka6sox> goes 323mhz
  • [19:36:41] <KotH> mranostay: and digikey has them on stock
  • [19:37:13] <panto> nice
  • [19:37:14] <KotH> ka6sox: that would be another possibility.. but then you can do some fancy "buffering" and getting the speed beyond 200MHz :)
  • [19:37:40] <ka6sox> KotH, ya, thats what I use them for in this case...
  • [19:38:07] <KotH> ka6sox: i somehow think, mranostay wants to use the PRU...
  • [19:38:23] <KotH> ka6sox: otherwise, i'd recomend one of the smaller virtex-6 :-)
  • [19:38:37] <ka6sox> V6 isn't 5v tolerant (last I checked)
  • [19:38:40] <ka6sox> the XL's are.
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  • [19:39:11] <KotH> add some vhc buffers in front :)
  • [19:39:22] <ka6sox> --complication
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  • [19:39:29] <ka6sox> the CPLD is very KISS>
  • [19:39:31] <KotH> although they have some t_pd, they have nice rise/fall times
  • [19:39:35] <ka6sox> the V6 is complicated
  • [19:39:36] <KotH> true that
  • [19:40:02] <ka6sox> CPLD is 44pin VQFP that can be hand soldered.
  • [19:40:28] <KotH> the small v6 come also in qfp
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  • [19:40:34] <KotH> (they seem to have learned something)
  • [19:40:37] <ka6sox> but with .5mm pitch
  • [19:40:43] <ka6sox> this is 1.0 pitch
  • [19:40:51] <KotH> 0_o
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  • [19:41:00] <KotH> thats... like... BIG!
  • [19:41:15] <ka6sox> its "human sized"
  • [19:41:18] <Shadyman> KotH: That's what she said.
  • [19:41:23] <ka6sox> iirc its still a 10mm package
  • [19:41:33] <ka6sox> (can't be...must be 13mm
  • [19:41:33] <ka6sox> )
  • [19:41:59] <Shadyman> snap
  • [19:42:35] <ka6sox> Shadyman, Mind >> Gutter
  • [19:42:51] <KotH> snape?
  • [19:42:59] <Shadyman> ka6sox: Truth.
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  • [19:46:28] <KotH> whoa nelly!
  • [19:47:01] <KotH> mranostay: the ALVC family has rise times of <2ns into a load of 50pF, <6ns into 300pF
  • [19:47:46] <KotH> mranostay: if you use them, you want to make sure you have your signal and ground paths right and good, high freq capable power supplies
  • [19:49:02] <KotH> mranostay: ie, keep lines short, straight and probably terminate them
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  • [19:55:20] <mranostay> the power supply could be an issue
  • [19:56:08] <KotH> the supply itself is not a prob
  • [19:56:37] <KotH> the bone supply is already designed for a high frequency device (the cpu runs faster)
  • [19:56:51] <KotH> but you have to use care to keep the ground around the latch from bouncing
  • [19:57:04] <KotH> ie, use plenty of high freq caps
  • [19:57:14] <mranostay> on the VCC?
  • [19:57:24] <mranostay> to the ALVC
  • [19:57:33] <KotH> broad planes and keep the gnd plane close to the chip and its signals
  • [19:57:39] <KotH> yes, the vcc to the alvc
  • [19:57:48] <mrpackethead> what you buidlign that goes that fast mranostay?
  • [19:58:10] <mranostay> logic analyzer + jtag cape
  • [19:58:16] <mrpackethead> ahh
  • [19:58:26] <mrpackethead> just for fun?
  • [19:58:49] <mranostay> no
  • [19:59:10] <KotH> mrpackethead: it's the one LA-cape to rule them all!
  • [19:59:16] <mranostay> yeah something like that
  • [19:59:40] <mranostay> channel number could be an issue with the pinmux available on the header
  • [20:00:04] <mrpackethead> im going to buy a CNC mill today
  • [20:00:23] <mranostay> nice
  • [20:00:41] <cmicali> mranostay: using the PRU to sample?
  • [20:00:51] <mranostay> yes
  • [20:00:56] <ka6sox> hmmm
  • [20:01:05] <mrpackethead> wonder if a beagle will be able to run it
  • [20:01:07] <mrpackethead> shoudl do
  • [20:01:17] <ka6sox> mrpackethead, yep..should
  • [20:01:28] <mrpackethead> would be quite cool if it can
  • [20:01:36] <ka6sox> mranostay, so you would get about 50mhz if you sample 4X over...
  • [20:01:37] <mrpackethead> i've just put a beagle on my manual pick / place
  • [20:01:44] <mrpackethead> and am running Russ's place script
  • [20:01:55] <mrpackethead> its a big bonus
  • [20:02:04] <ka6sox> nice
  • [20:02:19] <mranostay> ka6sox: well yes but that isn't any fun
  • [20:02:20] <mrpackethead> just some graphics, with placement informati9n
  • [20:02:27] <mrpackethead> really helps speed thigns up and make less mistake
  • [20:02:31] <mranostay> needs to do 100mhz at least
  • [20:02:35] <mranostay> but 200 mhz would rock
  • [20:02:53] <mrpackethead> my logic-16 does 3 x 100Mhz signals.
  • [20:02:56] <mrpackethead> thats pretty handy
  • [20:03:00] <KotH> mranostay: can you generate the signals at 200MHz?
  • [20:03:11] <ka6sox> then you want a CPLD to buffer/convert to Parallel and the PRU to grab the data parallel.
  • [20:04:03] <ka6sox> like via GPMC
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  • [20:04:13] <cmicali> mranostay: interesting - you going to use an a/d on the cape to measure? have you designed that part yet?
  • [20:04:16] <mranostay> ka6sox: i like how you think
  • [20:04:17] <KotH> mranostay: ie toggle and sample every 2.5ns
  • [20:04:21] <koen> make nyquist work for you, have aliassing decode FM radio :)
  • [20:04:31] <KotH> lol
  • [20:04:35] <ka6sox> koen, can be done!
  • [20:04:42] <koen> ka6sox: I know
  • [20:04:44] <mranostay> ka6sox: GPMC thought?
  • [20:04:45] <KotH> ka6sox: btw: remember my pulse problem?
  • [20:04:55] <koen> ka6sox: it was a trick question in on of my exams at uni
  • [20:04:57] <mranostay> with the PRU?
  • [20:05:11] <ka6sox> mranostay, should be doable
  • [20:05:14] <ka6sox> its on L4
  • [20:05:25] <ka6sox> KotH, yes
  • [20:05:30] <KotH> ka6sox: i found a way around it: modulate an avalanche photodiode with an 1GHz signal and let the diode down-mix the signal to something below 500MHz
  • [20:05:32] <ka6sox> koen, fun!
  • [20:05:48] <mranostay> ka6sox: what CPLD you have in mind?
  • [20:05:52] <ka6sox> KotH, kewl...where did you find a driver
  • [20:06:10] <ka6sox> mranostay, XC9536XL-TQ44
  • [20:06:13] <KotH> ka6sox: havent found one.. just descriptions of these other doing things like that
  • [20:06:29] <mranostay> ka6sox: channel number would be limited then
  • [20:06:32] <KotH> ka6sox: but i think that most of the stuff should be pretty straight forward electronics to build
  • [20:06:42] <KotH> ka6sox: nothing being >2GHz and stuff
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  • [20:06:57] <ka6sox> mranostay, how many channels do you want?
  • [20:07:03] <ka6sox> mranostay, http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/XC9536XL-10VQG44C/122-1385-ND/826988
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  • [20:07:17] <mranostay> 8 would be nie
  • [20:07:19] <mranostay> *nice
  • [20:07:19] <ka6sox> $1.16 is Dirt Cheap
  • [20:07:39] <ka6sox> the GPMC can move about 50mhz on a good day
  • [20:08:01] * KotH would rather say _DIRT_CHEAP_
  • [20:08:09] <KotH> heck.. most logic chips cost more than that!
  • [20:08:12] <ka6sox> so in 16bit round robin mode you could probably get about 100mhz with 8 channels.
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  • [20:09:11] <KotH> doesnt the bone have some high speed communication interfaces?
  • [20:09:17] <KotH> like some dvi input or something?
  • [20:09:38] <ka6sox> mranostay, on beaglebone-next you would have to kill -9 the eMMC
  • [20:09:51] <ka6sox> hold it in reset
  • [20:10:10] <ka6sox> but you could make the CPLD push 16bit data and 8 channels of input
  • [20:10:18] <ka6sox> from 1v8 to 5v0
  • [20:10:50] <koen> KotH: GPMC or PRU GPI
  • [20:11:05] <KotH> how fast can the mmc be clocked?
  • [20:11:29] <ka6sox> the PRU GPI *could* be faster...dunno if it has 16pins or not
  • [20:11:35] <koen> yes
  • [20:11:41] <bradfa> KotH, mmc can do 52 mhz
  • [20:11:42] <koen> we added the missing 2 on white a5
  • [20:11:54] <KotH> meh.. too slow
  • [20:11:55] <ka6sox> koen, does it have 17 for a strobe?
  • [20:12:21] <koen> that I don't know
  • [20:12:43] <bradfa> KotH, it's 8 bit, if that helps
  • [20:12:59] <KotH> bradfa: hmm...
  • [20:13:04] <bradfa> SD v3 can go over 100 mhz but only 4 bit
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  • [20:13:12] <KotH> bradfa: helps.. but the goal is 16bit 200MHz
  • [20:13:16] <bradfa> am335x doesn't do sdv3, though
  • [20:13:17] <ka6sox> to get 100mhz out of this you need 50mhz and 16bits sync.
  • [20:13:34] <bradfa> ah, k
  • [20:13:43] <bradfa> PCI-e
  • [20:13:47] <KotH> *g*
  • [20:13:51] <ka6sox> heh
  • [20:14:13] <bradfa> or regular PCI, for some retro-ness
  • [20:14:25] <koen> ISA!
  • [20:14:27] <KotH> oh.. that remind me
  • [20:14:29] <ka6sox> better than an ISA bus!
  • [20:14:33] <KotH> i still have my OGD1
  • [20:14:37] <KotH> never used
  • [20:14:47] <ka6sox> I have my S100 we could try...
  • [20:14:48] <KotH> should think about some project to make good use of it
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  • [20:37:42] <ka6sox> mranostay, I don't think you can get really more BW out of the databus...
  • [20:37:54] <ka6sox> unless you can shove data directly to video.
  • [20:38:10] <ka6sox> so if you 4X oversample it will do 50mhz
  • [20:38:35] <ka6sox> (you can't shove data round fast enough...not enough BW)
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  • [20:39:44] <ka6sox> ie you can get 200MSps but not 200Mhz of BW input.
  • [20:40:24] <wmat> prpplague: quit vandalizing the elinux.org mainpage ;)
  • [20:41:14] <prpplague> wmat: hehe
  • [20:41:19] <prpplague> wmat: hey question
  • [20:41:30] <wmat> prpplague: notice my the new editor I added today
  • [20:41:37] <prpplague> wmat: the search options dont seem to work unless you actually include the namespace
  • [20:41:55] <prpplague> wmat: yea, i was like da da da oh what the @#$@#$@#
  • [20:42:06] <wmat> heh
  • [20:42:26] <wmat> prpplague: yes, if you do a search, you can click Advanced and select a namespace
  • [20:42:47] <prpplague> wmat: yea problem is if you don't know that....
  • [20:43:18] <prpplague> wmat: i added a redirect from MinnowBoard to MinnowBoard:MinnowBoard , so at least one page comes up with a search for minnow
  • [20:43:23] <wmat> prpplague: let me see if there's a better search out there
  • [20:43:58] <wmat> prpplague: wikipedia does it the same way
  • [20:46:01] <mranostay> ka6sox: BW out of the CPLD?
  • [20:46:33] <KotH> ka6sox, mranostay: how about using both PRU? that would double the BW
  • [20:46:49] <mranostay> KotH: DDR?
  • [20:46:54] <KotH> juup
  • [20:47:09] <mranostay> need to check the PRU data lines exposed
  • [20:47:14] <mranostay> via the pinmux
  • [20:47:38] <mranostay> KotH: double the bandwidth to...?
  • [20:47:44] <wmat> prpplague: i think replacing the search engine is something for another day
  • [20:47:52] <KotH> mranostay: the double of one PRU :)
  • [20:48:11] <KotH> mranostay: i hardly know anything about the bone, remember? :)
  • [20:48:27] <mranostay> so 400mhz?
  • [20:48:33] <mranostay> that seems like a pipe dream
  • [20:48:52] <ka6sox> if the PRU can move data 100mhz with 16bits then sure.
  • [20:49:11] <ka6sox> assuming the GPI <> L4 link is like 2 cycles :P
  • [20:49:16] <prpplague> wmat: no worries, just something that came up today
  • [20:49:56] <ka6sox> isn't PRU fixed @ 200mhz?
  • [20:49:57] <KotH> mranostay: doing a 400MHz LA with a small fpga is no pipe dream
  • [20:50:10] <KotH> mranostay: the problem is just getting the data out of it fast enough
  • [20:50:18] <KotH> mranostay: i'm quite sure the bone can do that.. somehow..
  • [20:50:34] <ka6sox> KotH, 1.6Gsps with a Bone?
  • [20:50:37] <KotH> mranostay: maybe you've to be a bit creative with the use of interfaces :)
  • [20:51:06] <ka6sox> KotH, we haven't even talked about *displaying* the data yet :P
  • [20:51:11] <mranostay> heh
  • [20:51:26] <KotH> ka6sox: who cares about display? you just need to collect them! ;)
  • [20:51:32] <mranostay> what is the max bw on the GPMC?
  • [20:51:46] <ka6sox> iirc its 16bits @ 62.5Mhz
  • [20:51:51] <panto> pfft, who said pumping the data out as they are?
  • [20:52:04] <panto> it's logic signals, run length encoding can go a _long_ way
  • [20:52:16] <KotH> panto: that too
  • [20:52:27] <KotH> panto: but you want to be able to get complex signals out as well
  • [20:52:28] <panto> that's where FPGA fall over
  • [20:52:32] <mranostay> panto: that is what the OLS does
  • [20:52:44] <KotH> panto: you can do rl coding with an fpga
  • [20:52:51] <ka6sox> I've done some RLL stuff with FPGA..its NOT trivial.
  • [20:52:52] <KotH> panto: pretty easy too
  • [20:53:09] <ka6sox> KotH, pretty easy? okay...:)
  • [20:53:15] <panto> not really, I don't subscribe to the idea that FPGAs are ideal
  • [20:53:29] <panto> they are pigs to code and maintain
  • [20:53:35] <KotH> ka6sox: after i've seen a 1.5GByte/s zip compressor implemented in an 100MHz asic... rl is simple :)
  • [20:53:36] <ka6sox> panto, no, they are a serious PITAs...
  • [20:54:09] <ka6sox> but they *will* get you out of trouble when things turn pear shaped.
  • [20:54:11] <panto> KotH, how much was that asic development costs?
  • [20:54:25] <ka6sox> panto, +1
  • [20:54:37] <KotH> panto: no idea... that was a team of 20 people who spun out a new generation every 2-3 years
  • [20:54:39] <panto> my preposition is that for most tasks an FPGA/ASIC are unsuited
  • [20:54:50] <panto> fast general purpose logic wins
  • [20:54:54] <KotH> panto: and the zip compressor was only a minor functionality of the system
  • [20:55:26] <panto> 1.5GHz general purpose logic at $3 a pop can go a long way
  • [20:55:39] <ka6sox> 20 people for 2-3yrs...so 40-60MY
  • [20:55:43] <KotH> uhhm..
  • [20:55:44] <panto> the s/w might not be general purpose, true, but...
  • [20:55:44] <ka6sox> scary...
  • [20:55:50] <KotH> panto: that was 2004, when i saw it...
  • [20:56:16] <KotH> panto: getting 1.5GHz general purpose logic is hard today.. it was nearly impossible back then
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  • [20:56:39] <ka6sox> panto, you think we want to have a good troll with poor mranostay about laying out 1.5Ghz logic?
  • [20:57:15] <panto> heheh
  • [20:57:32] <KotH> panto: btw: where do you get that fast logic for $3 a pop from?
  • [20:57:46] <panto> it will come before long
  • [20:57:54] <KotH> panto: any ecl chip i've seen cost at least 10usd
  • [20:57:56] <mranostay> ka6sox: i hate you guys :)
  • [20:58:11] <KotH> panto: lol
  • [20:58:24] <panto> troll troll troll...
  • [20:58:27] <panto> ok, back to work :)
  • [20:58:27] <KotH> mranostay: come on!
  • [20:58:48] <KotH> mranostay: you'll learn some electronics on the way, and get healed from this illnes called software!
  • [20:58:54] <mranostay> heh
  • [20:59:10] <ka6sox> mranostay, I'm trying to say its NOT as trivial as you are being led to believe.
  • [20:59:30] <mranostay> yeah for sure not at those speeds..
  • [20:59:35] <prpplague> mranostay: someone over in #rpi was asking on how to attach 8 relays to the RPI, i started to link him to a homedepot page for super adhesive
  • [20:59:46] <KotH> ka6sox: the company behind that chip has 3 letters in his name consiting of blue stripes... so 40-60MY isnt that much ;)
  • [21:00:26] <ka6sox> KotH, so its not something a LONE 'Bone developer is going to to in his "spare time"
  • [21:00:59] <KotH> ka6sox: why not? it's 10 years later. technology has made great progress. things have become a lot simpler
  • [21:01:36] <ka6sox> unless the PRU GPI > L4 pipelining is faster than GPMC its going to be limited to about 133MB/sec.
  • [21:02:27] <KotH> use different procesor with sata port
  • [21:02:45] <ka6sox> KotH, the issue isn't what the front end can do...its what the Busses on the BONE can do.
  • [21:02:59] <KotH> ka6sox: yeah, got that :)
  • [21:03:18] <KotH> ka6sox: that's why i suggest a differnt processor
  • [21:04:07] <KotH> anyways.. gotta get some sleep
  • [21:04:08] <KotH> night boys
  • [21:04:11] <KotH> sleep well
  • [21:04:20] <KotH> and dream of some high speed busses
  • [21:05:05] <ka6sox> nighters
  • [21:05:33] <ka6sox> mranostay, using the PRU to be a HS JTAG bus driver..that would be AWESOME....
  • [21:05:46] <panto> yeah, that's the idea
  • [21:06:00] <mranostay> well that is totally doable
  • [21:06:10] <panto> I do know for a fact the the original BDI1000 had a crummy 25MHz 68HC360
  • [21:06:10] <ka6sox> right, and its *needed*
  • [21:06:20] <panto> and it was the fastest thing out there
  • [21:06:33] <ka6sox> panto, my BDI2000 doesn't seem much faster!
  • [21:06:45] <panto> they might use a ppc 860 at 100Mhz now :)
  • [21:07:02] <ka6sox> thats as fast as my target!
  • [21:07:07] <ka6sox> (same proc)
  • [21:07:19] <panto> my point is that there's no doubt that getting a JTAG with an am335x+PRU is going to be wicked fast
  • [21:07:35] <ka6sox> and really CHEAP.
  • [21:07:36] <panto> even make some of the high end emulator systems look bad
  • [21:07:48] <panto> lauterbach anyone?
  • [21:08:01] <ka6sox> mranostay, I could get behind that...make openOCD be wicked fast.
  • [21:09:09] <ka6sox> making the Bone be a fast debugger for cheap would be somewhat of a holy grail...most SoC's of that class don't have the RT grunt needed.
  • [21:09:12] <panto> if I had to think about designing something like this I might pipeline the PRUs
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  • [21:09:33] <ka6sox> I'd use one for TX and one for RX
  • [21:09:37] <panto> one PRU does the I/O the other massages/compress the data
  • [21:09:42] <ka6sox> or that.
  • [21:09:48] <panto> ka6sox, might be harder to synchronize
  • [21:09:55] <ka6sox> true
  • [21:10:10] <panto> if anyone remembers the intel IXP network processors, that's how they worked
  • [21:10:12] <ka6sox> pipelining of the PRUs would divvy up the tasks.
  • [21:10:24] <panto> ka6sox, yep
  • [21:10:33] <ka6sox> I started in the 32bit world with IXP425 on the NSLU2
  • [21:10:40] <panto> hehe
  • [21:10:57] <panto> I have scars from that time too
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  • [21:11:07] <ka6sox> panto, don't we all.
  • [21:11:16] <panto> another fine h/w arch that was hobbled by it's horrible s/w
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  • [21:18:23] <ka6sox> and closed source drivers for the ethernet :P
  • [21:19:54] <woglinde> panto still awake
  • [21:19:59] <woglinde> amazing
  • [21:20:42] <panto> I run on midnight oil
  • [21:20:48] <woglinde> good night
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  • [21:21:19] <panto> gnight woglinde
  • [21:21:46] <panto> jkridner, btw, are you still on about that hackerspace presentation?
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  • [22:09:52] <mranostay> ka6sox: http://imgur.com/jR4Zq8a
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  • [22:11:27] <overburn> hey guys
  • [22:12:06] <overburn> i've just bought a beagle today and i have a few things i can't really get a grip on , is anyone available to help me a bit?
  • [22:12:44] <prpplague> overburn: ask away, if someone is available, knows the answer, and has the time to help, they will respond
  • [22:14:23] <overburn> ah ok so - i've semi-managed to make him pee and poop on absorbant sheets - not sure wether it's random or he actually knows (he peed quite often as , new home , he got excited etc) but the thing is , i live on the first floor of a house and for the moment he's too little (just 8 weeks old)
  • [22:14:41] <overburn> to be able to climb down the stairs and go outside
  • [22:15:20] <overburn> so a question would be, should i get him used to relieving himself on these absobant sheets for the time being until he grows a little and is able to go down the stairs or should i approach this differently?
  • [22:15:45] <mranostay> o_0
  • [22:16:07] <overburn> basically go down the stairs in order to go outside
  • [22:16:49] * mranostay doesn't know if people are feeding the trolls or serious these days
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  • [22:21:59] <panto> back tomorrow
  • [22:22:29] * ogra_ cant belive he sees this for the first time in this channel ...
  • [22:23:24] <mranostay> ogra_: not the first time
  • [22:24:22] <ogra_> mranostay, well, the first time i see it in ... hmm. 3 or 4 years i'm here
  • [22:25:08] <ogra_> oh, and trolls ... this is brilliant btw ... https://gist.github.com/quchen/5280339
  • [22:29:38] <mranostay> this is jkridner in a year or two
  • [22:29:38] <overburn> actually wasn
  • [22:29:43] <overburn> t wasn't trolling
  • [22:29:59] <mranostay> overburn: this isn't a dog channel :)
  • [22:30:21] <ogra_> see beagleboard.org :)
  • [22:30:44] <overburn> lol ok
  • [22:30:57] <overburn> did not read the topic
  • [22:31:16] <ogra_> good luck with the little one :)
  • [22:31:57] <overburn> thanks heh, sorry for the dog talk
  • [22:32:14] <mranostay> nobody reads the topic
  • [22:32:15] <ogra_> nah, you made at least my day
  • [22:32:39] <mranostay> ogra_: you are easy to please then
  • [22:32:52] <ogra_> so they say :)
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  • [22:34:05] <overburn> by the way seeing as i'm here anyways, and i had no idea about the beagleboard before (without meaning to troll) i'm a bit torn between a beaglebone a cubieboard and a raspberry pi for a linux set top box, any tips?
  • [22:34:28] <ogra_> LOL
  • [22:35:28] <overburn> what, before it was just the cubieboard and the pi, but the beaglebone seems adequate, but i'm not sure wether it would be overkill
  • [22:35:44] <jkridner> beagleboard is the original...
  • [22:35:49] <jkridner> those are just imitators.
  • [22:37:02] <overburn> hmm but it's on the beagleboard site
  • [22:37:23] <ka6sox> mranostay, +1
  • [22:37:31] <jkridner> Eben credits beagle for the R-Pi concept, but has difficulty getting the facts right: http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/raspberry-pi-interview-eban-upton-reveals-all
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  • [22:38:07] <jkridner> anyway, beaglebone is better for robots, rovers, 3d printers, media servers, etc. than for a set-top box.
  • [22:38:30] <jkridner> beagleboard-xm is passable, but a bit dated in video performance.
  • [22:38:50] <jkridner> still very good for DSP, vision, robotics.
  • [22:39:04] <ka6sox> jkridner, +1
  • [22:39:32] <overburn> hmm good to know
  • [22:39:43] * jkridner wouldn't want an r-pi set top box for that matter --- too slow a cpu
  • [22:39:53] <overburn> also no fpu i think
  • [22:40:07] <prpplague> jkridner: yea but think of the children
  • [22:41:12] <overburn> heh in any case, thanks for not giving me a rough time for getting the channel wrong heh
  • [22:41:16] <overburn> no pet channels on freenode?
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  • [22:46:23] <ka6sox> overburn, dunno...
  • [22:46:29] <ka6sox> ask in #defocus
  • [22:47:26] <overburn> ah ok
  • [22:47:28] <overburn> thanks mate
  • [22:49:54] <ka6sox> no worries
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  • [22:53:00] <mranostay> jkridner: are you barred from r-pi ownership as part of TI hiring policy? :P
  • [22:53:31] <jkridner> hehe... I have 4 of them. Adafruit keeps giving them to me for free.
  • [22:53:47] * jkridner knows why they've sold so many.
  • [22:54:11] <mranostay> heh $300 purchases?
  • [22:54:45] <ka6sox> jkridner, do tell...its it bitbanging?
  • [22:55:07] <jkridner> ka6sox: what mranostay says
  • [22:55:26] <jkridner> give-aways
  • [22:55:27] <ka6sox> got it
  • [22:55:32] <jkridner> drawer fodder
  • [22:55:58] <ka6sox> coasters for my beer?
  • [22:56:09] <wmat> ebay them ;)
  • [22:56:31] <mranostay> send me one i need something to test the ESD gun on
  • [22:59:11] <ka6sox> HiPot test device
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  • [23:02:54] <mranostay> davest: !
  • [23:07:21] <mranostay> ka6sox: or point one of your space lasers on it
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  • [23:15:12] <ka6sox> mranostay, I can the existence of any space lasers
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  • [23:23:36] <mranostay> ka6sox: pop me some popcorn through the skylight
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