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  • [03:48:00] <mranostay> hey jkridner old buddy
  • [03:48:07] <jkridner> yo!
  • [03:48:45] <jkridner> count you in for mentoring GSoC? thought about any project ideas?
  • [03:49:06] <mranostay> how many hours a week would be required?
  • [03:50:10] <mranostay> jkridner: wash my car robot (powered by a bbb) a valid idea?
  • [03:50:42] <jkridner> sounds valid to me.
  • [03:51:08] <mranostay> so mentoring mean code mocking?
  • [03:51:59] <jkridner> I managed to get us accepted to be a mentoring organization back in 2010 with about that much scrutiny on the ideas, but we haven't gotten accepted since. :(
  • [03:51:59] <jkridner> trolling++
  • [03:52:25] <jkridner> only the students eire should be represented in code.
  • [03:52:50] <jkridner> "enlightened trolling"
  • [03:53:17] <mranostay> i say we should have a social experiment of me, mru and _av500_ on one intern
  • [03:53:21] <jkridner> http://twitpic.com/30j8k5
  • [03:53:44] <mranostay> jkridner: did mru sign up?
  • [03:53:44] <jkridner> kinda funny when you google for something and just find your own content
  • [03:54:05] <jkridner> he did in the past. I'm counting him in. :)
  • [03:54:29] <mranostay> jkridner: i find it funny us dropouts mentoring college students :)
  • [03:56:34] * jkridner can't figure out why he ever used Colloquy over LimeChat
  • [03:57:03] <mranostay> jkridner: probably the same part of the brain that picked JS over C :)
  • [03:57:06] * mranostay ducks
  • [03:57:28] <thurbad> don't like colloquy?
  • [03:57:30] <jkridner> JS *and* C
  • [03:57:51] <jkridner> nope, it has nasty memory leaks and looks like crap compared to LimeChat
  • [03:58:25] <jkridner> plus, it doesn't handle proxies.
  • [03:58:25] <thurbad> hmm, I run it for months at a time
  • [03:58:53] <jkridner> Do you keep logs with it and have you checked the virtual mem of it?
  • [03:58:54] <thurbad> not a lot available on mac as far as irc that I've found
  • [03:59:13] <jkridner> right, but LimeChat is actually pretty good.
  • [03:59:16] <thurbad> nope
  • [03:59:28] <thurbad> I'm open to change... just curious
  • [03:59:30] <jkridner> don't like it?
  • [03:59:42] <jkridner> yeah, took me about a day to like it better.
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  • [03:59:49] <thurbad> heh
  • [03:59:57] <jkridner> won't go back now.
  • [04:00:19] <jkridner> I can see traffic in all channels without switching windows.
  • [04:00:31] <jkridner> it gives me picture previews when people post URLs
  • [04:00:48] <thurbad> one of the things I dislike about colloqy is the changing right click context menu when you click on a person and try to op them,occasionally it turns into kick ban by the time you release
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  • [04:03:53] <thurbad> how was your SxSW jkridner ?
  • [04:05:39] <jkridner> good. possible highlight was meeting Chris Anderson. Or seeing some of the quadcopters. Or visiting with MakerBot and OpenROV folks. Generally a good time with good beer.
  • [04:06:03] <jkridner> The Austin Makerspace is pretty interesting.
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  • [04:13:53] <mranostay> jkridner: you never answered the mentoring hours needed
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  • [04:16:20] <prpplague> mranostay: inversely proportional to amount of "meds" you are taking
  • [04:17:40] <mranostay> does alcohol count?
  • [04:18:03] <prpplague> jkridner: beagle it is
  • [04:18:07] <jkridner> mranostay: difficult to say, but likely 2-6 hours a week. mru and koen have experience and can comment.
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  • [04:18:40] <jkridner> is it 'bacon' now and not 'scripto'?
  • [04:19:00] <jkridner> is it 'bacon' now and not 'scripto' (gerald's name)
  • [04:19:12] <jkridner> (sorry for the repeat)
  • [04:19:47] <jkridner> do we really need transistors to get enough drive for the LEDs?
  • [04:19:58] <prpplague> jkridner: yea
  • [04:20:04] <jkridner> :(
  • [04:20:12] <prpplague> jkridner: no really worry they are cheap
  • [04:20:16] <jkridner> do we really need full brightness?
  • [04:20:20] <jkridner> k.
  • [04:20:43] <prpplague> jkridner: they are cheap and the "correct" way of doing it, so it is a good example
  • [04:20:44] <alan_o> hey so as far as GSoC goes, how about we get an intern to mainline some of our evil vendor tree?
  • [04:20:54] <alan_o> :-D
  • [04:21:00] <jkridner> why is there anything on P8? I thought we were going to have this stick out the side.
  • [04:21:08] <prpplague> jkridner: name it whatever, mranostay and i'll will hide the "true name" on the gerbers and copper fills
  • [04:21:25] <jkridner> alan_o: +1
  • [04:21:38] <prpplague> jkridner: don't think we can get to all of the pwm's we need
  • [04:21:44] <jkridner> that is a perfect idea---and beneficial to other projects as well
  • [04:21:47] <prpplague> jkridner: going to look over in detail tomorrow
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  • [04:22:02] <jkridner> prpplague: P9 has enough PWMs.
  • [04:22:29] <prpplague> jkridner: ok, i'll double check tomorrow and sync with mranostay
  • [04:22:30] <jkridner> and I don't think want to have the RTC interrupt on the GPIO0 bank
  • [04:23:00] <prpplague> jkridner: we can move that around
  • [04:23:06] <jkridner> can I get a thermistor and a button?
  • [04:23:13] <prpplague> jkridner: button is on there
  • [04:23:24] <prpplague> jkridner: i'd rather not the thermistor
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  • [04:23:31] <alan_o> yeah, reset button isn't enough?
  • [04:23:37] <prpplague> hehe
  • [04:23:46] <jkridner> cool on the button
  • [04:23:46] <Shadyman> Off the top of your heads, how much can an AM3359 sink on a gpio pin? 15mA?
  • [04:24:09] <jkridner> prpplague: what about just a place to solder one one? you concerned about the cost of one?
  • [04:24:21] <prpplague> Shadyman: rule of thumb is no more than 8mA
  • [04:24:28] <Shadyman> prpplague: Cool thanks :)
  • [04:24:37] <prpplague> jkridner: it's just not that interactive
  • [04:24:48] <mranostay> jkridner: i didn't get the memeo
  • [04:24:50] <mranostay> *memo
  • [04:25:05] <jkridner> you can touch it or blow on it, but I agree the slider is more interactive.
  • [04:25:18] <jkridner> I spoke with a professor that got really excited about this board today.
  • [04:25:20] * prpplague hands jkridner a creeper card
  • [04:25:22] <alan_o> that's what.. .nevermind
  • [04:26:13] <jkridner> what he really wants is to be able to throw this cape, a tiny USB cable, a uSD card and a Bone into an Altoids tin for an education kit.
  • [04:26:32] * prpplague does a quick check
  • [04:26:38] <jkridner> an environmental sensor of some kind is needed.
  • [04:27:02] <Shadyman> GIGGITY.
  • [04:27:27] <Shadyman> jkridner: That'd have to be a small bone / large tin
  • [04:27:58] <jkridner> looking at even having the IP address scroll across the 7-seg LED with the image provided.
  • [04:28:09] <Shadyman> jkridner: pretty :D
  • [04:28:56] <jkridner> Shadyman: the Bone fits in the Altoids tin with the tiny USB cable and a uSD already (that is something he showed me).
  • [04:29:01] <prpplague> jkridner: let me run some numbers
  • [04:29:02] <Shadyman> :o
  • [04:29:07] <jkridner> it really comes down to the size of the Bacon cape
  • [04:29:12] <Shadyman> mmm bacon
  • [04:29:27] <alan_o> It's tough to get a bone + cape in the tin
  • [04:29:31] <prpplague> jkridner: let me do some math and sync up with mranostay
  • [04:29:41] <jkridner> I don't care about the thermistor being populated for the Design West class so much as to be able to kill the bird of creating the education kit.
  • [04:29:58] <alan_o> I think you might could do it if you had almost no standoff. I haven't checked that use case
  • [04:30:03] <Shadyman> alan_o: perhaps surface-mount pinheaders on the bottom of the cape?
  • [04:30:28] <alan_o> solder them to the fiducials
  • [04:30:47] <jkridner> could be interesting to stick the components on the same side as the pins that stick out.
  • [04:30:59] <jkridner> would save some overall depth.
  • [04:31:10] <Shadyman> and LCD on the opposite side (outward facing)
  • [04:31:11] <jkridner> surface mount wouldn't save a lot of depth.
  • [04:31:21] <jkridner> no LCD, only 7-seg LED
  • [04:31:25] <Shadyman> ah
  • [04:31:30] <Shadyman> well, still applies :)
  • [04:31:41] <jkridner> 7-seg LED is kinda tall
  • [04:31:54] <jkridner> would want it on the other side as well and just work with the board upside down.
  • [04:31:56] <Shadyman> hmm. how about a 3 digit 7 seg lcd
  • [04:31:59] <jkridner> board=bone
  • [04:32:03] <jkridner> $$$
  • [04:32:13] <jkridner> looking at something $cheap$
  • [04:32:19] <prpplague> dirt cheap
  • [04:32:33] <Shadyman> http://www.bgmicro.com/54digitlcd40pindisplay.aspx
  • [04:32:36] <prpplague> ShadowJK: jkridner with beer and thai food cheap
  • [04:32:42] <Shadyman> ahh
  • [04:32:58] <Shadyman> how many are you looking at making?
  • [04:32:58] <prpplague> Shadyman: yea, i researched that one ages ago
  • [04:33:13] <prpplague> Shadyman: hehe, trust me we got it
  • [04:33:17] <Shadyman> ah
  • [04:33:22] <Shadyman> kay :)
  • [04:33:34] <prpplague> Shadyman: we'll be doing about 2500 first run
  • [04:33:45] <Shadyman> you got my buy-all-the-cheap-things urge going ;)
  • [04:33:56] <Shadyman> That's a lot of mints.
  • [04:34:07] <prpplague> Shadyman: i did an early version of this for the beagle/panda
  • [04:34:10] <Shadyman> neat
  • [04:34:17] <jkridner> color me intrigued on $0.52 LCD
  • [04:34:34] <prpplague> http://elinux.org/BeaconBoard
  • [04:34:41] * jkridner trusts prpplague to figure it out.
  • [04:34:42] <Shadyman> jkridner: You'd need more than just 50 of them though
  • [04:34:48] <prpplague> jkridner: $5 worth of parts to make it work
  • [04:35:08] <mrpacket_> why use that horrible WS2801
  • [04:35:08] <prpplague> Shadyman: at the time they have about 4000 of those lcd panels
  • [04:35:10] <mrpacket_> urgh.
  • [04:35:17] <Shadyman> On a totally unrelated note... http://www.bgmicro.com/black-and-white-lcd-screen.aspx
  • [04:35:21] <prpplague> mrpacket_: because it was cheap and did what we needed
  • [04:35:37] <mrpacket_> yes they are cheap
  • [04:35:42] <Shadyman> eink from a nook e-reader :D
  • [04:35:57] <mrpacket_> the problem with them, is 90% of them are clones built in a nasty factory
  • [04:36:02] <mrpacket_> the 10% of real ones are ok
  • [04:36:16] <Shadyman> mrpacket_: Well, yeah. These are pulls though
  • [04:36:19] <prpplague> mrpacket_: hehe, well i purchased 5k with no issues
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  • [04:36:32] <Shadyman> Oh, lcds, nevermind
  • [04:36:32] <mrpacket_> I have used abotu 2M of them
  • [04:36:41] <mrpacket_> but we dont' any more
  • [04:37:18] <mrpacket_> is that a RGB Led on that board?
  • [04:37:24] <prpplague> yea
  • [04:37:40] <mrpacket_> I hope you are paying your royalities to Philips then
  • [04:37:43] <mrpacket_> The PWM tax
  • [04:37:49] <Shadyman> lol
  • [04:37:50] <mrpacket_> "Philips wants Money"
  • [04:37:53] <prpplague> hehe
  • [04:38:01] <alan_o> mrpacket_: ugh, that makes me sick
  • [04:38:05] <prpplague> mrpacket_: i gave 1000 of them away
  • [04:38:11] <mrpacket_> thats the real reason we dont' use the 2801 anylonger
  • [04:38:25] <prpplague> mrpacket_: so i had to keep the costs low, hehe
  • [04:38:41] <mrpacket_> using a more expensive IC, saves me money
  • [04:38:42] <alan_o> prpplague: too bad that LED isn't on a USB. You could have made a fortune on kickstarter :)
  • [04:39:00] <prpplague> alan_o: hehe, never fear av500 is here
  • [04:39:19] <prpplague> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHhKzCKFINQ
  • [04:39:30] <mrpacket_> i use 16 bit control now
  • [04:39:38] <mrpacket_> for what we are doing thats actually pretty useful
  • [04:39:44] <mrpacket_> so we can get a much better perforamnce
  • [04:39:51] <prpplague> alan_o: https://gitorious.org/av500/bacon-lunch
  • [04:40:30] <alan_o> prpplague: The whole time I was waiting for the number to change...
  • [04:40:32] <prpplague> mrpacket_: hehe, yea at the price i was willing to pay, performance wasn't an issue
  • [04:40:44] <prpplague> alan_o: hehe
  • [04:40:54] <alan_o> What's the deal on the 430 compiler?
  • [04:41:01] <alan_o> gcc, proprietary, oss?
  • [04:41:10] <prpplague> hehe got me
  • [04:41:16] <prpplague> jkridner: anyway
  • [04:41:22] <prpplague> jkridner: let me run some numbers
  • [04:41:30] <prpplague> jkridner: i'll sync with mranostay tomorrow
  • [04:41:40] <prpplague> jkridner: okie dokie crokie?
  • [04:41:41] <Shadyman> rsync. lol
  • [04:41:58] <mranostay> prpplague: well he'll have to deal with community :P
  • [04:41:59] <jkridner> k. thanks for taking my extra inputs. :)
  • [04:42:02] <alan_o> prpplague: https://gitorious.org/av500/bacon-lunch/blobs/master/Makefile CC = msp430-gcc
  • [04:42:37] <prpplague> jkridner: we aren't really, we just are being nice
  • [04:42:53] <Shadyman> LOL
  • [04:43:30] <mranostay> i'm totally not as nice as i seem :)
  • [04:43:47] <Shadyman> On a different note, is there a pin on the beaglebone expansion header that is better suited than others to take a timepulse input from a GPS? Or are they all about the same as far as interrupts go?
  • [04:44:56] <prpplague> and on another note, i think i have a title for my ELC-E presentation: "1.21 jigabit ethernet: a case study of a perfect failure"
  • [04:45:21] <alan_o> prpplague: nobody learns anything from success :)
  • [04:45:26] <Shadyman> haha
  • [04:46:51] <mranostay> prpplague: jkridner will owe us a case of beer and a bottle of rum :P
  • [04:47:52] <alan_o> any good tools for chasing down memory leaks in the kernel?
  • [04:47:54] <alan_o> *sigh*
  • [04:48:05] <alan_o> valgrind /proc/kcore
  • [04:49:41] <mranostay> alan_o: cat /dev/zero > /dev/mem should work
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  • [04:56:10] <mrpacket_> Well, Head office has passed down a big ask
  • [04:56:37] <mrpacket_> *please* design us a platform that is like a beagle, but not a beagle
  • [04:56:58] <jkridner> Shadyman: I wonder if the eCAP pins might be useful to look at...
  • [04:57:01] <mrpacket_> unhappy that i have used a beagle on the back of our dmx player
  • [04:57:03] <jkridner> or something connected to the PRU...
  • [04:57:05] <mrpacket_> :-)
  • [04:57:08] <jkridner> if you want to avoid bugging the main CPU.
  • [04:57:49] <mrpacket_> how many hours and $$$ to design a new dog
  • [04:58:08] <mrpacket_> and can i hire some new engineers.
  • [04:58:27] <Shadyman> jkridner: Ideally, I'd like to be able to sync the system clock/rtc with the timepulse (1/sec)
  • [04:58:53] <mrpacket_> shady, you doing some GPS based time keeping?
  • [04:58:54] <jkridner> mrpacket_: ??? there are other Beagle-like boards.
  • [04:59:03] <mrpacket_> yes, i know.
  • [04:59:11] <mrpacket_> i will dance their dance for a few days
  • [04:59:17] <Shadyman> mrpacket_: Yep
  • [04:59:28] <mrpacket_> and then they will forget
  • [04:59:30] <mrpacket_> :-)
  • [04:59:45] <jkridner> at ~1/s, I'd just look at having it in the wake-up domain so I could put the processor to sleep.
  • [04:59:48] <alan_o> mrpacket_: didn't you buy a bunch of white-label boards from cco?
  • [05:00:02] <mrpacket_> no, i ended up buying them from Mouser
  • [05:00:08] <mrpacket_> because nobody at CCO would reply
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  • [05:00:27] <jkridner> did you pin koen and now prpplague?
  • [05:00:38] <jkridner> s/pin/ping/
  • [05:00:47] <mrpacket_> i talked to the boss guy
  • [05:00:53] <alan_o> jkridner: you got it right the first time :)
  • [05:01:00] <mrpacket_> had a meeting with him on the phone
  • [05:01:02] <jkridner> k.
  • [05:01:08] <mrpacket_> promised me a bunch fo thigns
  • [05:01:13] <mrpacket_> but nothing got delivered
  • [05:01:19] <mrpacket_> clint?
  • [05:01:51] <mrpacket_> i just figured we are too small a fish for CCO
  • [05:02:15] <alan_o> mrpacket_: how many did yo uwant?
  • [05:02:24] <mrpacket_> 2500
  • [05:02:31] <alan_o> that's a lot dude
  • [05:03:18] <alan_o> seriously, that's above the threshold where you're supposed to be going to them directly (and not mouser)
  • [05:03:25] <alan_o> mouser isn't supposed to even sell you that many
  • [05:03:27] <mrpacket_> i think that CCO is just really really busy
  • [05:03:32] <mrpacket_> and they are all overworked
  • [05:03:42] <mrpacket_> so its just fallen through the cracks
  • [05:03:51] <mrpacket_> victims of their own sucess
  • [05:03:58] <Shadyman> jkridner: Actually, I could set the timepulse up to 1kHz
  • [05:04:21] <Shadyman> 0.25Hz to 1kHz
  • [05:05:02] <mrpacket_> i know how it happens sometimes
  • [05:05:09] <mrpacket_> becuase its happened to us
  • [05:05:13] <mrpacket_> i hate that
  • [05:05:23] <Shadyman> Though really, I'm not sure if the AM3359 is made to have its clock controlled externally like that. Perhaps I'd be better just putting it on a GPIO pin and sync the RTC to the GPS every so often
  • [05:05:58] <mrpacket_> how much accuracy do you need?
  • [05:06:53] <jkridner> Shadyman: info on what eCAP is: http://pastebin.com/XUncDtxV
  • [05:07:10] <Shadyman> I'm essentially just making a GPS shield for the lulz
  • [05:07:38] <Shadyman> and as a stepping stone to my GPS/GSM combo
  • [05:07:54] <mrpacket_> maybe once the black is done
  • [05:08:06] <mrpacket_> things will be a bit easier for CCO
  • [05:09:05] <Shadyman> jkridner: Thanks. So basically, it's a general-purpose high-frequency input
  • [05:09:48] <jkridner> I don't know about how "general-purpose" it is, but it is made for counting and comparing counts and helping to align phases.
  • [05:09:57] <Shadyman> hmm
  • [05:10:44] <jkridner> if what you are doing is measuring a pulse-train, it'll let you do that without loading the CPU.
  • [05:10:57] <Shadyman> interesting
  • [05:11:13] <mranostay> woot woot all aboard!
  • [05:11:17] <Shadyman> ^
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  • [05:14:26] <Shadyman> hmm, looks liek the bone already has an RTC, so I can't see trying to forcefeed it ticks. however, in the grand scheme of things, bringing it out to the eCAP pin would be useful for more people than just bringing it out to any old GPIO
  • [05:15:02] <Shadyman> I think for my purposes, I'd just sync the system clock every 5 minutes or so with GPS time
  • [05:15:24] <alan_o> Shadyman: can ntp server help you here?
  • [05:15:39] <alan_o> they write about how evil it is to just sync time hard.
  • [05:15:44] <Shadyman> alan_o: the time delay in NTP servers is massive compared to GPS
  • [05:15:56] <alan_o> no no
  • [05:16:12] <Shadyman> hrm?
  • [05:16:17] <alan_o> I mean can ntp handle reading your GPS and syncing the system clock (gradually, as it does)
  • [05:16:24] <Shadyman> hmm.
  • [05:16:25] <alan_o> sorry, ntpd
  • [05:16:34] <Shadyman> perhaps.
  • [05:16:38] <mrpacket_> alan, yes it can
  • [05:16:48] <mrpacket_> you end up having a stratum-1
  • [05:16:59] <Shadyman> set up a socket on localhost that speaks ntp, and give the time over that
  • [05:17:15] <alan_o> Stratum 1, look at you :) most accurate time on your block
  • [05:17:18] <mrpacket_> http://www.rjsystems.nl/en/2100-ntpd-garmin-gps-18-lvc-gpsd.php
  • [05:17:21] <Shadyman> lol alan_o
  • [05:17:40] <alan_o> strap your bone to your wrist and you're good to go
  • [05:17:48] <Shadyman> Giggity.
  • [05:18:12] <Shadyman> alan_o: Challenge accepted
  • [05:18:20] <Shadyman> mrpacket_: bookmarked. thanks :)
  • [05:18:35] <mrpacket_> that was the irst one that popped up on that oogle thing
  • [05:18:45] <mrpacket_> i did this in 2001
  • [05:19:02] <mrpacket_> its been a fucntion for a long time
  • [05:19:23] <mrpacket_> i got tired of log files that were not accurate
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  • [05:22:09] <mrpacket_> i have my two best $/buck bits of test gear on my desk at home today
  • [05:27:02] <Shadyman> :)
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  • [05:27:17] <Shadyman> Got my BBone ProtoCape PCBs a week or two ago
  • [05:27:30] <Shadyman> self-designed
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  • [05:28:12] <Shadyman> They fit, so I guess I should publish the gerbers and such
  • [05:28:28] <ds2> fitting is optional
  • [05:28:37] <Shadyman> heh
  • [05:28:41] <ds2> a big hammer is always an alternative
  • [05:28:49] <Shadyman> STOP! Hammer time.
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  • [05:45:53] <Shadyman> :o if only I had a pinout, I would TOTALLY make capes with them. http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G19231
  • [05:54:47] <mranostay> Shadyman: no pinout :/
  • [05:57:28] <Shadyman> yeah :(
  • [05:58:19] <dm8tbr> shouldn't be too hard to find out though?
  • [06:00:56] <Shadyman> you'd think
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  • [06:04:59] <Shadyman> they can be pretty tricksy sometimes
  • [06:06:52] <dm8tbr> find someone with a RNS510C and take an scope to the wires :)
  • [06:07:14] <dm8tbr> or a broken RNS510C where the display still shows something
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  • [06:11:58] <mranostay> #@$@#$ing slide resistor with no eagle part
  • [06:12:10] * mranostay curses jkrider
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  • [06:18:34] <av500> gm
  • [06:20:35] <mranostay> #@#@$ av500
  • [06:20:51] <mranostay> i mean hi av500
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  • [06:22:16] <mranostay> yo woglinde
  • [06:22:22] <woglinde> jo
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  • [06:22:23] <mranostay> welcome to the kegger
  • [06:22:34] <woglinde> trool cellar?
  • [06:22:47] * mranostay is in a really good mood
  • [06:23:01] * mranostay tosses woglinde a virutal Modelo
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  • [06:24:01] <woglinde> hm hm
  • [06:24:06] * mranostay even hands zengweitotty a beer
  • [06:25:46] <zengweitotty> hi,***mranostay.
  • [06:26:15] <zengweitotty> the channel has no logs, what's up
  • [06:26:41] <woglinde> why must a channel always have a log
  • [06:27:44] <woglinde> mranostay hm is it not time to sleep for you?
  • [06:28:00] <mranostay> trolls don't keep normal hours
  • [06:28:47] <zengweitotty> hi, my lcd shows white light,can not show any content.
  • [06:28:59] <av500> woglinde: its only 10:30 there
  • [06:29:15] <zengweitotty> what maybe the problem?
  • [06:29:33] <av500> maybe you did something wrong
  • [06:29:34] <mranostay> it is full of stars!
  • [06:29:40] <av500> (just guessing)
  • [06:29:52] <woglinde> I guess its broken hw
  • [06:30:01] <zengweitotty> not the hw
  • [06:30:03] <av500> mranostay: what is that cape that prpplague and jkrindner are all excited about?
  • [06:30:30] <zengweitotty> can it be somethings wrong with omapfb?
  • [06:30:43] <mranostay> av500: bacon cape
  • [06:30:55] <av500> url?
  • [06:31:25] <mranostay> av500: in the works
  • [06:31:45] <mranostay> @#$@#$ slider resistor has no eagle part
  • [06:31:57] <mranostay> <--- doesn't feel like making oen
  • [06:31:58] <mranostay> *one
  • [06:32:07] <av500> doit!
  • [06:32:24] <mranostay> if i had infinite time
  • [06:33:32] <zengweitotty> omapfb omapfb: cannot parse default modes
  • [06:34:12] <zengweitotty> what does this means?
  • [06:34:19] <mranostay> are you trying to start a nuclear war!
  • [06:34:28] <mranostay> turn that system off now!
  • [06:36:11] <mranostay> oh noes we are at Defcon 5!
  • [06:36:20] <av500> oh, prpplague dragged my horrible msp430 code into the light....
  • [06:36:23] <mranostay> or is that one
  • [06:38:09] <mranostay> av500: i can beat it over the head with a shovel for you.. the code or prpplague either or
  • [06:39:22] <mranostay> and even you till you forget
  • [06:41:36] <woglinde> av500 url?
  • [06:42:08] <Shadyman> I must admit, I'm impressed. uBlox's GPS modules have kept backwards/fowards compatibility fairly well.
  • [06:42:26] <Shadyman> ie the board I just designed, I could use a NEO 4, 5, 6, or 7 just by not placing certain components
  • [06:42:29] <woglinde> Shadyman why not?
  • [06:42:31] <woglinde> its gps
  • [06:42:52] <woglinde> nothing bitbang fancy
  • [06:43:00] <Shadyman> True. Though, the neo series isn't very feature-rich. it's the lea series that's fancy pantsy
  • [06:43:20] <ds2> blah... 6.5"
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  • [07:22:52] <Shadyman> Tadah. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e94/MasterMWL/GPS_Cape_zps67906d8b.png
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  • [07:25:14] <av500> creative via'ing
  • [07:25:37] <Shadyman> heh
  • [07:25:47] <av500> I hope you dont pay per hole
  • [07:25:57] <Shadyman> nah
  • [07:26:15] <av500> friend of mine use closely spaced vias to not have to cut the PCB lots :)
  • [07:26:25] <av500> just break along the vias
  • [07:26:37] <Shadyman> a number of boardhouses don't like that ;)
  • [07:26:47] <av500> I can guess :)
  • [07:26:49] <Shadyman> The viaing was actually suggested by the manufacturer of the module
  • [07:26:56] <Shadyman> because of RF
  • [07:27:13] <Shadyman> to prevent islanding, etc
  • [07:27:27] <av500> well, look at how gps is done in your average smartphone
  • [07:27:40] <Shadyman> heh
  • [07:27:47] <Shadyman> average smartphoen doesn't use active antenna ;)
  • [07:28:02] <av500> right
  • [07:28:26] <av500> most of them use GPS to confirm thier position as given by the assistance server....
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  • [07:28:42] <Shadyman> yeah
  • [07:28:58] <Shadyman> hence my next board, the GPS/GSM combo ;)
  • [07:29:29] <Shadyman> the ublox gsm and gps module work together quite well in that respect
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  • [07:30:42] <Shadyman> I'll probably have to shrink down the battery, and run the GPS antenna off of where the battery is now, to help reduce noise.
  • [07:30:52] <Shadyman> er, gsm.
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  • [07:32:55] <ds2> which GPS module are you using?
  • [07:33:09] <ynezz> looks nice
  • [07:33:09] <av500> ublocks
  • [07:33:11] <mrpacket_> shady man..whats your pcb package
  • [07:33:17] <ds2> blah
  • [07:33:20] <mrpacket_> its kind of plesant
  • [07:33:29] <av500> pheasant
  • [07:33:31] <ds2> why ublock?
  • [07:33:41] <av500> maybe it has NAND?
  • [07:33:49] <mrpacket_> does this have a RTC on it
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  • [07:34:11] <ds2> those are $$$
  • [07:34:23] <ynezz> I wonder if that via flood is really necessary :)
  • [07:34:56] <mrpacket_> or in deed helfpul
  • [07:35:14] <mrpacket_> and why are they all thermal pads?
  • [07:35:29] <aholler> it is, otherwise there would be nothing to talk about. and it looks funny.
  • [07:36:03] <mrpacket_> yes, now i'm confused.
  • [07:36:16] <mrpacket_> why would you put all those vias with thermal pads
  • [07:36:40] <av500> maybe they are hand soldered?
  • [07:37:08] <mrpacket_> mmm, maybe..
  • [07:37:09] <mrpacket_> :-)
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  • [07:37:24] <mrpacket_> harsh crowd here
  • [07:37:37] <av500> Shadyman: do you have a rule that adds a railing of vias around every signal line=
  • [07:37:39] <av500> ?
  • [07:38:02] <ynezz> and I wonder if it passes the DRC checks...
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  • [07:39:33] <ynezz> Shadyman: what kind of antenna is that B1?
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  • [07:40:29] <aholler> ynezz: that is a battery-holder
  • [07:40:43] <ynezz> ah!
  • [07:40:50] <Shadyman> mrpacket_: RTC, yes. ynezz: Via flood, apparently, according to uBlox. mrpacket_: Because I haven't figured out how to make them straight grounded vias. av500: No rule. hand-placed. ynezz: Passes DRC.
  • [07:41:29] <ynezz> hm, but your silk is wierd :)
  • [07:41:40] <ds2> Shadyman: why ublox?
  • [07:41:40] <Shadyman> how so
  • [07:41:55] <ynezz> broken by vias
  • [07:42:11] <Shadyman> ds2: The modules can be had for ~$10/ea, and they have interesting synergies with the uBlox GSM modules
  • [07:42:49] <ynezz> on U3 you've it over pads
  • [07:43:30] <ds2> Shadyman: so it is the integration? (other modules can be had cheaper)
  • [07:43:50] <Shadyman> ds2: Yeah. Featureset and integration
  • [07:43:51] <av500> there is always a cheaper solution
  • [07:43:55] <Shadyman> ^
  • [07:43:59] <av500> some are expensive to use :)
  • [07:44:03] <Shadyman> ynezz: I don't see it?
  • [07:44:17] <Shadyman> ynezz: There are some pads that are ground
  • [07:44:30] <ynezz> you don't see the white line going over the pads?
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  • [07:44:41] <Shadyman> oh, white
  • [07:44:43] <ynezz> all over them
  • [07:44:50] <Shadyman> boardhouses won't print that
  • [07:45:07] <Shadyman> but I guess I could fix that footprint up ;)
  • [07:45:11] <ynezz> well, I've just done 1st PCB 2 weeks ago :) but as I remember this won't pass my DRC checks
  • [07:45:27] <Shadyman> Interesting.
  • [07:45:39] <ynezz> and the silk will really look weird
  • [07:45:42] <Shadyman> well, I should say *most* boardhouses won't print that
  • [07:45:53] <ynezz> unreadable probably
  • [07:45:56] <ynezz> just my guess
  • [07:46:10] <ynezz> but it's v1.0 :)
  • [07:46:14] <Shadyman> hehe
  • [07:46:32] <Shadyman> well, they usually use some kind of inkjet printer, and just subtract the open pads from the silk layer
  • [07:46:56] <ynezz> well, $10 seems like a good price
  • [07:47:13] <Shadyman> ds2: Also, [citation needed] for cheaper modules
  • [07:47:19] <mrpacket_> im about to buy a new pcb lab line
  • [07:47:50] <Shadyman> mrpacket_: Oh?
  • [07:49:58] <ynezz> hm, which ublox is that exactly?
  • [07:50:31] <ynezz> and this is Kicad?
  • [07:50:35] <mrpacket_> http://www.bungard.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=109&Itemid=168&lang=english
  • [07:50:42] <mrpacket_> someting like this.
  • [07:51:14] <ynezz> won't fit in my flat :)
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  • [07:51:32] <Shadyman> ynezz: gEDA, and ublox neo-6m
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  • [07:51:54] <Shadyman> mrpacket_: me gusta
  • [07:56:02] <ynezz> Shadyman: hm, where one could buy them for $10? :)
  • [07:56:08] * Shadyman hums.
  • [07:56:12] <Shadyman> 1 sec
  • [07:56:52] <Shadyman> ynezz: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2PCS-LOT-Free-Shipping-UBLOX-modules-NEO-6M-GPS-positioning-module-NEO-6M-0-000-NEO/727256461.html
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  • [07:58:44] <Shadyman> ynezz: That's for two, with free shipping
  • [07:58:54] <Shadyman> or http://www.aliexpress.com/item/NEO-6M-0-001-UBLOX-modules-NEO-6M-GPS-positioning-module/727248572.html for one with $5 shipping
  • [07:58:55] <ynezz> not fake?
  • [07:59:14] <Shadyman> I've yet to test mine
  • [07:59:32] <Shadyman> but, it came in a cut reel
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  • [08:00:23] <ynezz> since it
  • [08:00:26] <ynezz> oops
  • [08:00:44] <ynezz> since it's quite a lot cheaper then on their store
  • [08:00:55] <ynezz> the module there costs like 85EUR
  • [08:01:07] <Shadyman> yeah, their store is BS
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  • [08:01:29] <Shadyman> I think once you sign up for a credit account or somethign with them, then you get the real price
  • [08:01:29] <ynezz> :)
  • [08:01:40] <Shadyman> I think that's more of a "We just don't want to be bothered with individuals" price.
  • [08:01:49] <ynezz> ah
  • [08:02:12] <ynezz> strange marekting strategy :)
  • [08:02:15] <Shadyman> heh
  • [08:02:35] <Shadyman> also, wtf DRC, y u give me strange errors
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  • [08:04:05] <av500> too many vias maybe? :)
  • [08:06:17] <Shadyman> haha
  • [08:06:30] <Shadyman> nah, usually it drcs things under the ground pour, for whatever reason
  • [08:06:41] <Shadyman> like the lines I use to ground the ground pads
  • [08:09:14] <Shadyman> Oh
  • [08:09:28] <Shadyman> just learned that the DRC centers on the middle of the problematic trace regardless of where the problem is
  • [08:09:28] <Shadyman> derp
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  • [08:18:21] <ynezz> I don't see that via galore here :) http://www.sainsmart.com/zen/albums/SKU/20/20-011/20-011-929/nichegeek/01.JPG
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  • [08:23:44] <Shadyman> hmm?
  • [08:23:54] <Shadyman> hmm.
  • [08:24:08] <Shadyman> Well, it's a fairly small board
  • [08:24:18] <Shadyman> and not using a powered antenna, it looks like
  • [08:25:08] <Shadyman> they should certainly have vias on either side of the antenna trace
  • [08:25:48] <ynezz> sure, but not 200 :)
  • [08:26:02] <Shadyman> they're not following the manufactuer's recommendations
  • [08:26:16] <Shadyman> The eval board for the GPS and GPS modules has over 700 vias.
  • [08:26:19] <av500> I think ublox has stocks in a via trader
  • [08:26:20] <Shadyman> :/
  • [08:26:21] <ynezz> so this is based on reference design?
  • [08:26:26] <Shadyman> Mine is, yes.
  • [08:26:33] <ynezz> hm
  • [08:26:48] <Shadyman> probably the same reference that sainsmart used
  • [08:27:07] <Shadyman> or, the schematic at least. They obviously didn't read the via part, or aren't using powered antennas
  • [08:27:19] <Shadyman> the clip-on ones like they use are rarely powered
  • [08:27:29] <Shadyman> SMA ones, though, usually are
  • [08:27:59] <Shadyman> there's a "Hardware Integration Manual" for the NEO 6 module that goes over all the best practices and such
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  • [08:43:44] <Shadyman> aha, figured out how to unthermal the vias and still have them connected to the plane
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  • [09:02:34] <ynezz> Shadyman: http://openbsc.osmocom.org/trac/raw-attachment/wiki/osmo-lea6t-gps/osmo-lea6t_small.jpg
  • [09:03:00] <ynezz> not much vias either :)
  • [09:03:23] <Shadyman> heh
  • [09:03:30] <av500> ynezz: they are all burried!
  • [09:03:49] <av500> keep the outer layers clean
  • [09:04:13] <aholler> the line to the antenna has them
  • [09:04:31] <ynezz> sure
  • [09:05:37] <ynezz> av500: it's only 2 layer board...
  • [09:05:49] <Shadyman> http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e94/MasterMWL/GPS_Cape_zps3247ebb5.png
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  • [09:06:23] <ynezz> and I've it open in eagle now, there's not much vias :)
  • [09:07:14] <aholler> anyway, I find the vias are giving the board the special look. and they make the board lighter
  • [09:07:53] <Shadyman> ynezz: http://www.u-blox.com/images/downloads/Product_Docs/LEA-6_NEO-6_MAX-6_HardwareIntegrationManual_%28GPS.G6-HW-09007%29.pdf page 43
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  • [09:09:12] <ynezz> that's it, thanks!
  • [09:09:38] <av500> aholler: I would write my name in vias
  • [09:09:50] <av500> in 5x7 pixel font
  • [09:09:54] <Shadyman> haha
  • [09:09:54] <aholler> yes
  • [09:10:08] <Shadyman> I made a smiley face.
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  • [09:12:25] <ynezz> hm, nice integration manual
  • [09:13:08] <Shadyman> ynezz: http://www.u-blox.com/en/gps-modules/pvt-modules/neo-6-family.html
  • [09:13:22] <Shadyman> Protocol Spec goes over all AT commands, Data sheet goes over the module itself
  • [09:14:13] <Shadyman> Though perhaps they only wanted a rectangular area full of vias, isolated from the regular ground
  • [09:14:32] <Shadyman> but then you have that ground operating at a different potential
  • [09:14:41] <Shadyman> bad, rf, bad.
  • [09:16:33] <aholler> ust don't do it like asus and put it inside some solid tinfoil case ;)
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  • [09:19:01] <Shadyman> wat
  • [09:19:59] <Shadyman> why would they do that? :x
  • [09:20:14] <av500> look better
  • [09:20:15] <av500> +s
  • [09:20:21] <av500> apple tried the same
  • [09:21:10] <aholler> they aren't bend to physic laws ;)
  • [09:21:48] <Shadyman> av500: You're holding it wrong.
  • [09:22:30] <Shadyman> but yes, the new one looks prettier now that I figured out how to make straight (no-clearance) vias http://s37.photobucket.com/user/MasterMWL/media/GPS_Cape_zps3247ebb5.png.html
  • [09:22:32] <aholler> uups, s/bend/bound/
  • [09:24:20] <Shadyman> 907 vias :/
  • [09:24:49] <aholler> do board makers charge by holes?
  • [09:24:58] <Shadyman> not typically
  • [09:25:33] <aholler> so they will start doing that ;)
  • [09:25:43] <Shadyman> heh
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  • [09:28:42] <KotH> the antenna line does not need to have vias, what it needs to be is to be an impedance controlled line that is 50R
  • [09:29:23] <av500> KotH: I knew you would come here and spoil it
  • [09:29:29] <KotH> sorry dude
  • [09:29:34] <KotH> it's my EE nature ^^'
  • [09:29:46] <aholler> i wonder if all those vias will make sense if below is a processor spraying stuff around with 1ghz
  • [09:30:21] <KotH> the hardware integration manual explicitly says that you should not put anything below the RF part of the module
  • [09:30:41] <aholler> depends on how you define below
  • [09:30:55] <KotH> on the other side of the PCB
  • [09:31:22] <aholler> so just put the bb above the cape?
  • [09:31:33] <KotH> sure
  • [09:32:04] <aholler> so it's an underground cape
  • [09:32:18] <aholler> the u-cape
  • [09:32:21] <KotH> :-)
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  • [09:33:24] <KotH> uhmm.. what ever is near the antenna trace there... i think it should not be there
  • [09:35:09] <KotH> and R14 is probably too small
  • [09:35:19] <KotH> (power rating)
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  • [09:36:15] <KotH> power supplies need additional blocking C's.. a lot of them
  • [09:36:27] <KotH> a BLM15/BLM18 wouldnt be wrong either
  • [09:37:51] <Shadyman> R14 just ties the reset pin high
  • [09:38:14] <KotH> hmm? isnt that the external power for the antenna pin?
  • [09:38:28] * KotH does not have the datasheet open
  • [09:38:58] <Shadyman> er, should be?
  • [09:39:05] * Shadyman eyes R14
  • [09:40:07] <Shadyman> but r14 is 3.3kohm to enable the !RESET pin and hold it high
  • [09:40:15] <KotH> also: you might want to consider placing a low capacitance RF schottky on the antenna line, something like the HSM2852 to clamp any surge on the antenna input, probably parallel with an zenner diode to eat up the energy before it goes into the power lines
  • [09:40:16] <Shadyman> as to why it's not going to the rest of the stuff...
  • [09:40:42] <KotH> ah.. ok
  • [09:40:52] <KotH> does the neo have a antenna power?
  • [09:41:02] <Shadyman> yes
  • [09:41:10] <KotH> ok...
  • [09:41:25] <Shadyman> well, not as it is at the moment. schematic didn't connect the dots.
  • [09:41:45] <Shadyman> PEBCAK
  • [09:41:57] <KotH> put there an 1206 resistor
  • [09:42:11] <KotH> anything smallwer will not have the power rating
  • [09:42:22] <KotH> or prolly even a minimelf
  • [09:42:53] <Shadyman> it's going through a mosfet to swtich it on/off, and a .25W R15
  • [09:42:54] <KotH> btw: will this be an neo6-t or one of the standard modules?
  • [09:43:02] <Shadyman> before hitting the L1
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  • [09:43:06] <Shadyman> just a standard one
  • [09:43:10] <KotH> meh...
  • [09:43:11] <KotH> ;)
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  • [09:43:41] <ynezz> yes, that 6t seems interesting
  • [09:43:42] <KotH> what's the circuitry at the top, near the antenna trace?
  • [09:43:50] <Shadyman> powers the antenna
  • [09:43:55] <KotH> hmm?
  • [09:44:12] <KotH> you just said the neo powers the antenna?
  • [09:44:38] <ynezz> it might be easier to post the schematics also :)
  • [09:44:49] <Shadyman> externally, through Q1 and R15
  • [09:44:53] <KotH> yeah :)
  • [09:44:57] <aholler> you'll need a special eth-driver to avoid bit-sequences which will disturb the rf ;)
  • [09:45:00] <KotH> ah..
  • [09:45:00] <KotH> ok
  • [09:45:20] <KotH> Shadyman: make sure L1 is a low capacitance, rf type then
  • [09:45:27] <Shadyman> yep
  • [09:45:38] <Shadyman> using their recommended one
  • [09:45:40] <KotH> and are you sure the antenna trace is 50R? it doesnt look like
  • [09:45:52] <Shadyman> Should be.
  • [09:45:58] <KotH> calculated?
  • [09:46:00] <Shadyman> yeah
  • [09:46:04] <KotH> hmm...
  • [09:46:10] <Shadyman> dual layer FR4
  • [09:46:11] <KotH> ok, then it must be me
  • [09:46:27] <ynezz> how does this 50R matching work, you calculate it, produce the PCB and measure it?
  • [09:46:29] <Shadyman> used the HP/Agilent AppCAD
  • [09:46:48] <KotH> ynezz: with FR4 you hope that it's 50R+/-50%
  • [09:47:00] <ynezz> d'oh
  • [09:47:19] <Shadyman> ynezz: Nah, you feed it how thick the PCB is, what material, how thick the copper is, spacing and trace width, etc, and it gives you the capacitance
  • [09:47:23] <KotH> ynezz: FR4 has a very baldy defined \epsiolon, highly dependent on the air humidity
  • [09:47:32] <KotH> ynezz: but for short traces it shouldnt be much of a problem
  • [09:48:05] <Shadyman> for FR4, 1000 micrometer trace width and 184(?) micrometer spacing gave me 50 ohms on the dot
  • [09:48:43] <KotH> including the ground plane underneath?
  • [09:48:49] <Shadyman> Yes.
  • [09:48:52] <KotH> hmm..
  • [09:48:56] <KotH> then it's me :)
  • [09:49:01] <Shadyman> it was the, eh, what's it called
  • [09:49:03] * KotH is used to wider spacings
  • [09:49:08] <Shadyman> the channel with ground on the sides and ground below
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  • [09:50:04] * KotH cannot remember those names either :)
  • [09:50:40] <Shadyman> Er, I HAD filter caps here somewhere?
  • [09:50:44] * Shadyman headscratches
  • [09:50:58] <KotH> trolls took them!
  • [09:51:02] <Shadyman> ^
  • [09:51:13] <Shadyman> recommendations?
  • [09:51:20] <Shadyman> there's a 0.1uF on the eeprom at the moment
  • [09:51:27] <Shadyman> but nothing on the neo per se
  • [09:51:27] <KotH> uhmm.. place a 10pF 1n 100nF at the RF part and a 100nF at the baseband part
  • [09:51:43] <KotH> uhmm..
  • [09:51:51] <KotH> those capacitors need to be _at_ the power pins of the neo
  • [09:52:02] <KotH> otherwise you loose quite a lot of sensitivity
  • [09:52:06] <Shadyman> yeah
  • [09:52:34] <Shadyman> :/
  • [09:52:44] <KotH> cases of the smaller caps should be 0402 if possible (lower stray inductance)
  • [09:53:03] * Shadyman winces and orders the small tweezers
  • [09:53:46] <Shadyman> 100nF = 0.1uF, right?
  • [09:53:50] <Shadyman> 6AM :/
  • [09:53:54] <KotH> you might also want to place a 10u (if X5R >10V, otherwise tantal 6.3V) somwhere in the 3.3V line as well
  • [09:54:01] <KotH> yes
  • [09:54:04] <Shadyman> k
  • [09:54:58] <KotH> the big cap is mostly because the power supply comes with a long trace from the bone, hence has quite a high inductance which should be compensated
  • [09:55:08] * Shadyman nods
  • [09:55:37] <KotH> the ESR of it is not so critical if you have enough caps directly at the neo
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  • [09:55:54] <KotH> but ceramic is still prefered
  • [09:55:58] <Shadyman> 10pF 1n 100nF at the RF part all 16V?
  • [09:56:14] <KotH> their voltage rating is not so important
  • [09:56:25] <KotH> i doubt you'll find anything below 25V these days
  • [09:56:44] <KotH> iirc the last 100nF's we bought for lab use were 100V's
  • [09:56:49] <Shadyman> heh
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  • [10:00:42] <Shadyman> KotH: It'll need a bit of zooming in, but http://erroraccessdenied.com/GPS_Cape.png
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  • [10:02:40] <Shadyman> besides the fact that all the new caps are called C1 :/
  • [10:03:01] <Shadyman> hehe
  • [10:03:07] <Shadyman> gEDA :)
  • [10:03:13] <Shadyman> in OMG THE COLORS mode.
  • [10:03:52] <Shadyman> and yes, the symbol for the bbone is absurdly large :/
  • [10:04:21] <KotH> you dont want to wire ANTSHORT directly to the bone
  • [10:04:46] <KotH> actually, you dont want to have anything at that point beside what is absolutely necessary
  • [10:04:55] <Shadyman> fair nuf.
  • [10:05:25] <Shadyman> should I just skip the antenna detection?
  • [10:05:26] <KotH> if you really have to get that signal from there, decouple it using an FD302N
  • [10:06:28] <KotH> the antenna detection isnt bad per se, you just have to be very carefull what you are doing
  • [10:06:33] <Shadyman> the NEO-controlled antenna uses ANTOFF to switch the MOSFET'd VCC_RF through to R15 an dL1
  • [10:06:48] <KotH> that's ok
  • [10:07:03] <Shadyman> so that'd nuke R16 and R18, and U4
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  • [10:07:26] <KotH> i'd probably place a 10pF 1nF at the drain of Q1 to stabilize that point further
  • [10:07:35] <Shadyman> which I'd be okay with. it was more of a "help prevent users from running it without an antenna" move
  • [10:07:37] <KotH> the C1's should be all near the neo
  • [10:07:44] <KotH> they have to stabilize the electronics there
  • [10:08:07] <KotH> r16/r18 is ok imho
  • [10:08:46] <KotH> they decouple u4 from the antenna, so it doesnt inject any noise (not that it has much to inject)
  • [10:09:00] <KotH> and u4 decouples the noisy electronics from the antenna
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  • [10:09:17] <Shadyman> so ANTSHORT is nuked
  • [10:09:40] <KotH> but, u4 should be powered from 3.3v and not vcc_rf, otherwise you'll inject noise trough that path
  • [10:09:49] <KotH> and u4 does need it's own 100nF capacitor
  • [10:10:04] <Shadyman> dammit ublox ;)
  • [10:10:14] <KotH> why?
  • [10:10:33] <Shadyman> their integration manual missed a bunch :/
  • [10:11:10] <KotH> well, that's standard EE procedure, anyone knows that kind of stuff ;-)
  • [10:11:16] <Shadyman> hehe
  • [10:11:33] <KotH> maybe i would connect the inverting input of u4 onto the other side of r5 to decouple it a bit from the antenna
  • [10:11:47] <KotH> er. forgete that, doesnt work
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  • [10:12:22] <KotH> but a 1k resistor before the inverting input wouldnt be too bad
  • [10:12:27] <Shadyman> Could U4 be wired to antoff_out, along with an LED of some sort, and skip the bbone altogether in that respect?
  • [10:12:59] <Shadyman> so that it still disables if there's a short or open circuit, but doesn't need bbone code?
  • [10:13:21] <KotH> sure
  • [10:13:40] <KotH> but you have to design the circuit as a current limiter then
  • [10:13:48] <KotH> otherwise you get an oscillator in case of a short
  • [10:13:53] <Shadyman> fun
  • [10:13:56] <av500> +1
  • [10:14:37] <Shadyman> Now, they're saying VCC_RF is actually VCC-0.1
  • [10:14:46] <Shadyman> is that within tolerance for the op amp?
  • [10:15:05] <KotH> read the datasheet ;)
  • [10:15:09] <Shadyman> heh
  • [10:15:19] <KotH> but it will be ok
  • [10:15:36] <KotH> 0.1V is still below the protection diode voltage
  • [10:15:45] <KotH> but vcc_rf shouldnt be that much lower than vcc
  • [10:15:54] <Shadyman> well, i would assume, as it's only comparing the two inputs, and it's actually being powered higher than its inputs
  • [10:15:59] <KotH> if it is, you have too much resistance in the path
  • [10:16:06] <Shadyman> they call for a rail-to-rail opamp
  • [10:16:18] <KotH> yes, you are sensing near th upper rail
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  • [10:18:11] <KotH> Shadyman: if all you want is to measure the current on the line, why not use one of the power sense chips that have an integrated resistor?
  • [10:19:09] <KotH> they are designed to sense at upper rail and you dont have to worry about that
  • [10:19:31] <Shadyman> i was just going with what they suggested in the manual, but acurrent sense chip would sense above-average, and zero, current
  • [10:19:31] <KotH> the only thing you have to do then is to place a couple of capacitors before it goes into L1
  • [10:20:07] <Shadyman> we talking current sense chips like SMSC?
  • [10:20:41] <KotH> high side current sensors
  • [10:21:08] <Shadyman> http://www.smsc.com/Products/Thermal_and_Power_Management/Power-Current_Sensors/PAC1710
  • [10:23:26] <KotH> too fancy
  • [10:23:35] <KotH> you dont want to have any digital electronics there
  • [10:23:40] <KotH> only analog, stady state stuff
  • [10:23:45] <Shadyman> ok
  • [10:23:52] <KotH> something like the MAX9610
  • [10:24:00] <Shadyman> good ol maxim
  • [10:24:06] <KotH> doesnt have to be maxim
  • [10:24:15] <KotH> linear, ti, national,... have similar parts
  • [10:24:34] <KotH> just had that part number at hand as we recently used it for a project
  • [10:25:07] <Shadyman> of course :)
  • [10:25:19] * KotH points at permasense ;)
  • [10:25:31] <Shadyman> hehe
  • [10:25:39] <Shadyman> you were saying that some have integrated sense resistors?
  • [10:25:39] <KotH> this one: http://www.permasense.ch
  • [10:25:46] <KotH> yes
  • [10:25:55] <Shadyman> pretty
  • [10:26:07] <av500> KotH is peddling swiss chips again
  • [10:26:10] <KotH> though i would go for the external sensors ;)
  • [10:26:13] <av500> do you get a commision?
  • [10:26:19] <KotH> av500: chips?
  • [10:26:24] <Shadyman> hehe
  • [10:26:27] <KotH> av500: swiss research projects, yes, not chips
  • [10:26:29] <Shadyman> Swiss Army Chip?
  • [10:26:37] <av500> +1
  • [10:26:46] <av500> they are called FPGA I think
  • [10:26:50] <Shadyman> :D
  • [10:27:29] <KotH> once upon a time, there was an anlog equivalent of an fpga as well
  • [10:27:39] <KotH> unfortunately, it didnt really catch on
  • [10:28:11] <Shadyman> PLDs?
  • [10:28:16] <KotH> hmm.. taht must have been 15y ago ^^'
  • [10:28:24] <KotH> no, PLDs are still digital
  • [10:28:27] <Shadyman> hmm
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  • [10:30:16] <KotH> does the neo really need some kind of serial flash/eeprom?
  • [10:30:31] <Shadyman> It's ROM/RAM only
  • [10:30:56] <Shadyman> it'll work on its own without flash/eeprom, but with flash/eeprom, it can store longer-term projections of ephemeris, etc
  • [10:31:08] <KotH> ahh.
  • [10:31:09] <Shadyman> especially helping boot times
  • [10:31:13] <KotH> well...
  • [10:31:25] <Shadyman> granted, bbone could feed it that
  • [10:31:46] <KotH> the ephemeris data is only of use for a day and only if you have the exact time
  • [10:32:04] <KotH> if you've lost time, the ephemeris data is not going to help
  • [10:32:14] <Shadyman> it's got an rtc :)
  • [10:32:35] <KotH> i assume the backup battery powers the ephemeris store as well
  • [10:32:41] <KotH> at least it does that on the lea modules
  • [10:32:42] <Shadyman> yes
  • [10:32:48] <Shadyman> battery backed up ram (BBRAM)
  • [10:32:57] <Shadyman> LEAs are so much fancier :D
  • [10:33:02] <KotH> not that much
  • [10:33:45] <Shadyman> so if I were using a current sense amplifier, which resistor would I current sense? R15?
  • [10:34:03] <KotH> yes
  • [10:34:27] <Shadyman> that'd nuke R16 and R18
  • [10:34:46] <KotH> yes
  • [10:35:14] <KotH> you'll still need somewhere a comparator to check whether the current is too high
  • [10:35:37] <Shadyman> the rent is too damn high!
  • [10:35:47] <KotH> lol
  • [10:35:58] <KotH> it can be a low speed, low specs comparator :)
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  • [10:36:04] <Shadyman> KotH: resistor divider to an adc on the bbone?
  • [10:36:11] <KotH> also possible
  • [10:36:25] <KotH> just make sure you have enough drive power
  • [10:36:26] <Shadyman> which one would be cheaper, though?
  • [10:36:35] <KotH> probably decouple it with a voltage follower
  • [10:36:40] <av500> Shadyman: did you have to make the PCM larger already?
  • [10:36:43] <KotH> neither?
  • [10:36:43] <av500> the PCB*
  • [10:36:52] <Shadyman> lol av500
  • [10:36:54] <KotH> a comparator costs 0.1 or so
  • [10:37:19] <KotH> you can literally choose the cheapest one
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  • [10:37:37] <Shadyman> 74lcvxx series, even?
  • [10:37:38] <KotH> well..actually, you should use the cheapest one that both digikey and mouser have on stock ;)
  • [10:37:43] <Shadyman> heh
  • [10:37:52] <Shadyman> lcv or lvx, I can never remember
  • [10:37:55] <KotH> i would use a comparator, not a schmitt trigger
  • [10:38:00] <Shadyman> ok
  • [10:38:04] <KotH> lvc and lvx ;)
  • [10:38:12] <Shadyman> eh, well
  • [10:38:20] <KotH> schmitt triggers have not so well defined switching voltages
  • [10:38:38] <Shadyman> rather large tolerances
  • [10:38:52] <KotH> what you want is to have a switching level defined to.. let say 1-5%, with some hysteresis
  • [10:38:58] <aholler> just let KotH design the pcb, done. no exact steps needed anymore
  • [10:39:04] <KotH> lol
  • [10:39:06] <Shadyman> haha
  • [10:39:48] <Shadyman> though, I'm thinking ADC
  • [10:40:05] <Shadyman> as not only would I want to compare against high current, I'd also want to compare against too little
  • [10:40:09] <aholler> it won'tgo through the tsa, but who cares
  • [10:40:21] <KotH> Shadyman: take a douple comparator
  • [10:40:23] <KotH> :)
  • [10:40:58] <KotH> aholler: mranostay did get his geiger counter trough TSA, so this shouldnt a problem
  • [10:41:10] <av500> I would bitbang it
  • [10:41:13] <aholler> KotH: he doesn't call for war
  • [10:41:40] <Shadyman> av500: Giggity.
  • [10:41:48] <KotH> aholler: there are FDA aproved circuits floating around in the us, that have my finger prints on, already ;)
  • [10:41:55] <Shadyman> KotH: Er, Linear comparator or logic comparator?
  • [10:42:03] <KotH> Shadyman: lol
  • [10:42:08] <Shadyman> digikey y so many options
  • [10:42:09] <KotH> Shadyman: ofc an analog comparator
  • [10:42:16] <Shadyman> er, duh
  • [10:42:19] <av500> are there digital ones?
  • [10:42:38] <KotH> there was some 74xx that did compare 4 bit numbers
  • [10:42:49] <mru> of course there are digital comparators
  • [10:43:01] <KotH> Shadyman: or do they mean comparators with digital output?
  • [10:43:03] <av500> well, a XNOR
  • [10:43:11] <mru> exactly
  • [10:43:27] <av500> so a NOR is a digital maybe :)
  • [10:43:27] <Shadyman> KotH: Beats me.
  • [10:43:29] <KotH> Shadyman: and i would use mouser for that type fo search, their website is better suited for "i need something that looks like this but doesnt have high specs"
  • [10:43:44] <av500> er, OR
  • [10:43:47] <av500> gah
  • [10:43:53] <av500> not much logic in me today
  • [10:44:03] <KotH> there ever was?
  • [10:44:06] <mru> all the logic gates perform some kind of digital comparison
  • [10:44:21] <av500> fact, confusing, stop
  • [10:44:28] <Shadyman> haha
  • [10:45:24] * KotH goes back to programming his msp430 and leaves av500 alone in his confusion
  • [10:45:31] <av500> same here
  • [10:45:35] <av500> it behaves weird
  • [10:46:37] <av500> Shadyman: I blame you for aliexpress
  • [10:46:42] <av500> now I ordered something there
  • [10:46:43] <Shadyman> okay
  • [10:48:52] <Shadyman> KotH: I'm going to write myself notes for tomorrow and then plow into bed like a snowplow into a street full of snow
  • [10:49:35] * KotH wouldnt mind spring weather
  • [10:49:40] <KotH> sleep well
  • [10:49:59] <Shadyman> hehe, thanks :)
  • [10:50:18] <KotH> av500: new launchpad?
  • [10:50:24] <KotH> av500: or a different gadget?
  • [10:50:44] <av500> from ali? just cables
  • [10:50:56] <av500> msp430 is my kitchen light project
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  • [10:51:06] <av500> with ALDI led chain
  • [10:51:49] <KotH> like a true german!
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  • [10:53:57] <aholler> av500: let it show the oven temperature like those philip tvs
  • [10:54:25] <ynezz> on the wall
  • [10:54:32] <aholler> the ambient factor
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  • [10:55:15] <av500> it will be mostly a totally boring ON/OFF thing
  • [10:55:40] <ynezz> mind controlled?
  • [10:55:45] <av500> switch
  • [10:55:50] <av500> old school
  • [10:56:14] <av500> but I will add some color cycling "party mode"
  • [10:57:17] <aholler> using a rtc it would be good as an egg-timer
  • [10:57:47] <av500> wont work in daylight
  • [10:57:59] <av500> I'd need to add a buzzer
  • [10:58:08] <KotH> or a 1kW flash light
  • [10:58:12] <av500> and there are already 2 timers in the kitchen
  • [10:58:14] <av500> dont need a 3rd
  • [10:58:19] <av500> oven has one, stove has one
  • [10:58:31] <aholler> are they that dim?
  • [10:59:03] <av500> they wont light the room if you dont look into that direction
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  • [11:05:34] <KotH> av500: try one of these http://www.isolicht.com/index.php/cat/c19_LED-Flex-Stripes.html
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  • [11:06:04] <av500> KotH: sure, I have these
  • [11:06:16] <KotH> av500: like: http://www.isolicht.com/product_info.php/info/p248_High-End-Stripe-5m---Flexibles-LED-Lichtband----14-4W---RGB-24V.html
  • [11:06:19] <KotH> 14W/m
  • [11:06:21] <av500> and I rather buy them from china for less
  • [11:06:38] <av500> yes
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  • [11:07:46] <av500> KotH: that ALDI thing is 3led group adressable
  • [11:09:22] <KotH> digitally adressable?
  • [11:09:27] <av500> yes
  • [11:09:34] <av500> http://dx.com/p/72w-300-5050-smd-led-rgb-light-flexible-strip-dc-12v-5-meter-114454
  • [11:10:21] <av500> costs a third only :)
  • [11:12:58] <KotH> and other being of lower quality, it seems the same :)
  • [11:13:15] <av500> well
  • [11:13:31] <av500> its only 12V
  • [11:13:38] <av500> 24V might be better for long chains
  • [11:14:33] <KotH> yeah.. i wouldnt use it as a 5m string with 12V, not at that power rating
  • [11:14:51] <av500> I like this one: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/4m-WS2811-LED-digital-strip-60leds-m-with-60pcs-WS2811-built-in-tthe-5050-smd-rgb/633124138.html
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  • [11:15:03] <av500> 240 invividually addressable leds :)
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  • [11:16:46] <KotH> av500: when you get your msp code working, i'd be interested in it ;)
  • [11:16:56] * KotH still needs a good bed lamp
  • [11:17:09] <KotH> and a fully controllable led bar wouldnt be too wrong :)
  • [11:17:22] <av500> yeah, I'll github it
  • [11:17:52] <woglinde> the msp code?
  • [11:17:53] <janne> av500: 320 of those and you get a 5.5x4m 320x240 led matrix display
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  • [11:18:13] <av500> the aldi thing was a bad buy, I thought it was single led addressable
  • [11:18:17] <av500> not 3-led
  • [11:18:24] <av500> so it goes as a kitchen light now
  • [11:18:31] <av500> janne: yep
  • [11:18:47] <av500> janne: should we start a paypal?
  • [11:19:10] <janne> s/paypal/kickstarter/?
  • [11:19:15] <av500> right
  • [11:19:27] <av500> that way we dont need to deliver :)
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  • [11:19:41] <av500> risks: av500 is involved!!
  • [11:21:15] <aholler> hmm, that led-strip has a sd-card
  • [11:21:51] * KotH wonders how closely one could space high power RGB leds w/o too much cooling involved
  • [11:22:12] <aholler> get a tv
  • [11:22:13] <KotH> one might consider making boards of those and put a full-HD display together
  • [11:22:24] <KotH> aholler: nah! not geeky enough!
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  • [11:23:01] <KotH> aholler: just consider, you enter a dudes flat, and the first thing that greets you is a wall that doubles as a humongus TV :)
  • [11:23:39] <janne> we should go for the 4k version for kickstarter. that would be 64x36m display. good enough for a cinema
  • [11:23:47] <av500> right
  • [11:23:50] <aholler> I rather would build me a rgb-led-cube
  • [11:24:06] <av500> $1000 reward: we will scroll your name once across the display
  • [11:24:16] <KotH> aholler: floating above you, and telling you about delicious cake?
  • [11:24:35] <av500> $5000: reward: you can watch us watch a movie in the led wall
  • [11:25:07] <av500> $100 reward: a can of solder fumes from the assembly
  • [11:25:09] <woglinde> +25
  • [11:25:52] <mru> $10 reward: 6 months exciting anticipation
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  • [11:26:27] <av500> $12: we will increase the anticipation to even 12 month
  • [11:26:47] <av500> $15: lifetime anticipation
  • [11:26:49] <janne> 3 million dollar seems about right, led stripes without shipping are 1.5 million
  • [11:27:03] <av500> janne: they do get cheaper in bulk
  • [11:27:41] <aholler> http://hackaday.com/2011/03/20/third-times-a-charm-512-led-cube-kicks-it-up-a-notch-with-rgb-leds/
  • [11:27:54] <av500> yes
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  • [11:29:42] <KotH> time to hunt some greeks
  • [11:30:06] <av500> +1
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  • [11:59:06] <gqq> hey, on the bone, how do I find out at which address I can flash a new u-boot image from u-boot ?
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  • [12:04:52] <mdp> your wednesday bitbang comment of the day, "/* Set up the SPI or Microwire EEPROM for bit-bang reading."
  • [12:04:55] <mdp> oooh yeah
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  • [12:09:59] <av500> gqq: flash whereto exactly?
  • [12:10:34] <mru> the nand flash of course
  • [12:10:38] <mru> the one on the sd card
  • [12:10:50] <gqq> av500, I was thinking of tftp'ing the new uImage and mmc erase/mmc write to update it ?
  • [12:11:08] <av500> gqq: you bone has mmc?
  • [12:11:14] <av500> is it, uh, black?
  • [12:11:22] <av500> ah well
  • [12:11:25] <av500> the sdcard
  • [12:11:34] <av500> but that uses a file system
  • [12:11:44] <av500> I doubt mmc write plays nicely with it
  • [12:13:23] <gqq> ah, I was afraid it wouldn't be possible
  • [12:13:39] <gqq> swapping the sd around is quite a hassle to test stuff
  • [12:14:40] <av500> well
  • [12:14:47] <av500> if you tftp, why do you need to write to the card?
  • [12:14:50] <av500> tftp the uimage
  • [12:14:57] <woglinde> nfs
  • [12:14:57] <av500> and nfsmount the rootfs
  • [12:15:02] <av500> yep
  • [12:15:04] <woglinde> you do not need sdcard at all
  • [12:15:12] <av500> you need it
  • [12:15:18] <ogra_> you need a kernel :)
  • [12:15:24] <av500> tftp
  • [12:15:29] <gqq> I need a first stage bootloader at least
  • [12:15:35] <woglinde> h right
  • [12:15:36] <av500> yes
  • [12:15:38] <ogra_> well, s/kernel/bootloader/
  • [12:15:42] <av500> I have mlo and uboot on the card
  • [12:15:45] <woglinde> MLO and uboot
  • [12:15:48] <av500> the rest is tftp and nfs
  • [12:15:49] <ogra_> right
  • [12:15:49] <woglinde> yes yes
  • [12:16:03] <av500> and you can then write a new uimage from linux itself
  • [12:16:07] <av500> (if needed)
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  • [12:16:28] <av500> so the stupid AM335 rom code cannot net boot?
  • [12:16:45] <gqq> ah I said uImage, sorry I want to update u-boot.img
  • [12:16:47] <gqq> :)
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  • [12:17:02] <gqq> it's u-boot that I modify, not the kernel
  • [12:17:09] <woglinde> yes
  • [12:17:12] <woglinde> tftboot
  • [12:17:15] <woglinde> nfsroot
  • [12:17:25] <woglinde> mount partion 1
  • [12:17:26] <av500> gqq: tftp uboot and jump to it
  • [12:17:27] <woglinde> copy uboot
  • [12:17:40] <av500> use 1 uboot as bootloader, the other uboot as what you "work" on
  • [12:17:59] <av500> just change the start address of the 2nd one
  • [12:18:07] <gqq> you mean boot uboot from uboot ?
  • [12:18:12] <av500> yes
  • [12:18:24] <gqq> I didn't know I could do that !
  • [12:18:27] <gqq> great
  • [12:18:29] <av500> its SW
  • [12:18:31] <gqq> thanks
  • [12:23:29] <KotH> one greek down, 20 kebabs made for the hungry masses
  • [12:23:36] <av500> \o/
  • [12:23:48] <woglinde> lol
  • [12:23:53] <panto> I'm not dead yet
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  • [12:26:10] <KotH> panto: we still need some livestock for tomorrow
  • [12:26:31] <panto> can't you go hunt down some kurds instead?
  • [12:27:02] <KotH> nah.. they are way to skinny
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  • [12:45:21] <mdp> av500, rom has net support
  • [12:47:40] <av500> but?
  • [12:47:48] <mru> does net have rom support?
  • [12:47:59] <KotH> does the rom doe TCP/IP?
  • [12:48:02] <av500> support net rom but?
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  • [12:49:11] <mdp> but it might not work
  • [12:49:17] <mdp> it depends
  • [12:49:21] <av500> on?
  • [12:49:28] <mdp> I dunno
  • [12:49:32] <ogra_> all roads lead to rom ...
  • [12:49:49] <mdp> it's an ongoing saga
  • [12:50:02] <mdp> might even work on black
  • [12:50:04] <av500> mdp: do you think I can solder a 2nd ROM chip on top and use a jumper to select which one to use?
  • [12:50:07] <mdp> Tartarus knows all
  • [12:50:19] <mdp> av500, you are empowered
  • [12:50:20] <av500> like on my C64?
  • [12:50:47] <mdp> yeah, just open up the case on the chip and you can white wire it in
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  • [12:51:07] * av500 has only green wire :(
  • [12:51:30] <mdp> fail
  • [12:51:40] <mdp> you follow exact steps or just don't even try
  • [12:52:16] <mdp> are you sure it's not teal?
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  • [12:52:37] <Tartarus> I know nothing
  • [12:52:45] * mdp recruits the fairer sex to identify teal vs. green for him
  • [12:53:08] <mdp> Tartarus, lies
  • [12:53:17] <Tartarus> ok, fine
  • [12:53:28] <mdp> Tartarus, also knows how to green-wire up a custom rom to the am335x
  • [12:53:40] <mdp> my blog only has white-wire steps
  • [12:53:44] <Tartarus> av500: stupid ROM code can do network booting, but this is a "fun" argument I have with folks internally
  • [12:54:13] <Tartarus> GP EVM isn't supported because of HW choices, an errata RGMII mode is required for use.
  • [12:54:31] <av500> and BBB?
  • [12:54:35] <Tartarus> And folks keep telling me some other errata means that beaglebone also can't be used, due to some other issue
  • [12:54:35] <av500> or BBW?
  • [12:54:45] <Tartarus> BBB should be fine, IF you can expose the sysboot pins
  • [12:54:52] <av500> they are exposed
  • [12:54:58] <av500> outer layers of the PCB
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  • [12:54:59] <Tartarus> I don't know if the "memory cape" which also exposes the full set of SYSBOOT pins works on BBB
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  • [12:55:17] <KotH> Tartarus: hmm... teal... german doesnt even have a word for it
  • [12:55:45] <Tartarus> av500: If you can change all of 0:7 or so, then yes, you can do cpsw network booting
  • [12:55:46] <mdp> KotH: ministry of culture can create a word
  • [12:56:05] <av500> KotH: it has: Krickente!
  • [12:57:40] <KotH> av500: lieber pekingente!
  • [12:57:56] <KotH> mdp: there is no ministry of culture
  • [12:58:05] <mdp> that's what they tell you
  • [12:58:19] <mdp> the ministry of truth has you confused
  • [12:58:28] <KotH> mdp: beside those angry, heavily armed and stuborn mountain folk would strongly disagree with any such decision
  • [12:58:48] <mdp> dwarves? ;)
  • [12:59:00] <gqq> av500, actually I don't understand how one would "jump" to an address in uboot. All the boot commands seem to expect a kernel image
  • [12:59:33] <KotH> gqq: read the documentation on your left
  • [12:59:37] <av500> bootm 0xabcdefg
  • [13:00:09] <av500> m = memory
  • [13:00:44] <KotH> the memory list at the bottom is nice: http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkuaz
  • [13:00:50] <gqq> maybe I need to clear some env variables, but it says it expects a kernel image
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  • [13:03:19] <av500> http://www.denx.de/wiki/view/DULG/UBootCmdGroupExec#Section_5.9.4.2.
  • [13:04:07] <av500> ah
  • [13:04:09] <av500> maybe go then
  • [13:04:45] <av500> well no
  • [13:04:51] <av500> bootm should be fine
  • [13:06:22] <aholler> go
  • [13:06:32] <aholler> jut go on
  • [13:06:36] <aholler> +s
  • [13:06:48] <gqq> hum i'f youre positive that "tftp 0x80000000 u-boot.img" followed by "bootm 0x80000000" should indeed boot u-boot from u-boot, then maybe the secure u-boot patches I applied broke that behavior
  • [13:07:35] <aholler> go secure
  • [13:08:05] <av500> are you sure 0x80000000 is "free"?
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  • [13:08:13] <av500> where does uboot itself reside?
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  • [13:08:36] <av500> before you apply stuff, try it with the same uboot
  • [13:08:51] <gqq> imma retry with 0x80300000, I'm sure it's free
  • [13:09:48] <aholler> u-boot relocates to top
  • [13:10:06] <av500> ok
  • [13:10:29] <gqq> av500, http://ideone.com/C572aU
  • [13:10:39] <aholler> but some hw doesn't like it to get initialized twice
  • [13:10:57] <aholler> not sure if that's the case with the bone
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  • [13:13:16] <gqq> ah alright, there's a paragraph about the FIT images in help bootm
  • [13:13:24] <aholler> as said, go on.
  • [13:13:24] <gqq> might be my problem
  • [13:13:42] <gqq> you mean I've got to drop it ?
  • [13:14:09] <av500> why does it say automaic boot?
  • [13:14:21] <av500> over here, tftpboot only loads stuff
  • [13:14:21] <gqq> I set autoboot to yes
  • [13:14:46] <gqq> autostart*
  • [13:14:56] <av500> well, then dont
  • [13:14:56] <aholler> go 0x80300000
  • [13:16:27] <gqq> aholler, "go" begins to start u-boot but hangs quite rapidly
  • [13:16:57] <aholler> see above. chain boot doesn't always work
  • [13:17:52] <av500> http://www.denx.de/wiki/view/DULG/CanUBootBeConfiguredSuchThatItCanBeStartedInRAM
  • [13:17:54] <av500> ouch
  • [13:18:01] <gqq> so it's assumed impossible until someone very smart come in ? :D
  • [13:18:30] <av500> se above link
  • [13:18:32] <av500> see
  • [13:18:40] <gqq> av500, well, TIL I should read FAQs
  • [13:18:56] <gqq> thanks for all the troubles though :)
  • [13:19:03] <aholler> the text at the link is just there to avoid dumb questions ;)
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  • [13:21:15] <av500> its also partly wrong
  • [13:21:26] <av500> since MLO loaded uboot is also in RAM already
  • [13:21:36] <aholler> sure, u-boot changed and changes a lot
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  • [13:21:44] <panto> gqq, it is possible
  • [13:21:48] <aholler> so such things get outdated quit fast
  • [13:22:11] <av500> aholler: yes, the FAQ is for people that quit fast :)
  • [13:22:21] <panto> you must however remove the the early initialization and/or the copying that u-boot does from flash to ram
  • [13:22:33] <av500> panto: from what flash?
  • [13:23:03] <gqq> panto, I've got enough trouble with what I'm trying in u-boot already :)
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  • [13:23:08] <av500> 29F040?
  • [13:23:08] <panto> normal u-boot does relocation
  • [13:23:26] <av500> MLO loads to RAM and start uboot
  • [13:23:33] <av500> uboot load to RAM and starts uboot
  • [13:23:37] <av500> non?
  • [13:23:39] <panto> ah yes
  • [13:23:46] <av500> so, ram argument is moot
  • [13:23:58] <panto> yeah MLO case is different
  • [13:24:28] <keesj> My guess is that it's hard to replace yourself
  • [13:24:46] <aholler> why
  • [13:24:49] <panto> in the MLO case should be easier
  • [13:24:56] <av500> I'd have thought that chain loading is quite used in actual bootloader development
  • [13:25:14] <aholler> I've used it
  • [13:25:17] <panto> I would just add an extra config option to u-boot for a chain-loaded u-boot target
  • [13:25:19] * av500 too
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  • [13:25:42] <keesj> or configure a u-boot to be loaded elsewhere in memory
  • [13:25:47] <panto> I did do u-boot in RAM (but it was booting from real falsh)
  • [13:26:03] <av500> will the real flash please stand up?
  • [13:26:10] <aholler> gqq: you are sure that 0x80300000 is where the code does start?
  • [13:26:46] <gqq> which code ? all I know is it's free
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  • [13:27:12] <aholler> text_foo, can't remember the exact name
  • [13:27:22] <aholler> it's buried in the config somewhere
  • [13:28:05] <aholler> you have to load u-boot to where it thinks it gets loaded
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  • [13:30:14] <gqq> there are too much variables in this problem for me to understand
  • [13:30:25] <av500> no
  • [13:31:09] <aholler> CONFIG_SYS_TEXT_BASE
  • [13:31:34] <av500> gqq: making uboot chain load is a worthy task
  • [13:32:21] <gqq> find . -type f -exec grep CONFIG_SYS_TEXT_BASE {} + | grep am33
  • [13:32:21] <gqq> ./include/configs/am335x_evm.h.orig:#define CONFIG_SYS_TEXT_BASE 0x80800000
  • [13:32:37] <aholler> so that is where you should load it to
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  • [13:34:22] <gqq> aholler: well ... it does boot something ! just need to recompile another u-boot to confirm it's the one I just loaded
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  • [13:34:42] <aholler> but i'm not sure, might be different with spl or has changed
  • [13:35:56] <aholler> it's at least a year ago since I've last touched u-boot ;)
  • [13:36:20] <aholler> it runned away, full with fear
  • [13:36:44] <ogra_> use fluffy glooves next time
  • [13:37:01] <ogra_> and warm them up before
  • [13:37:05] <gqq> I'm testing, could be that you were right on the spot :)
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  • [13:39:11] <gqq> aholler, yup, it loads the uboot I just recompiled
  • [13:39:19] <gqq> thanks :D
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  • [13:40:58] <aholler> someone should write freely relocatble relocation code
  • [13:42:12] <aholler> pe-u-boot
  • [13:43:12] <shoragan> aholler, or you could port http://git.pengutronix.de/?p=barebox.git;a=commit;h=a81ec0225f5a100341c20b4329c8b1d81ab025c4 to u-boot ;)
  • [13:46:37] <aholler> someone else might do it. I'll avoid assembler (and u-boot) if possible
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  • [13:50:08] <av500> for dev purposes having to know the load address is ok
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  • [13:52:07] <shoragan> av500, being able to do just "bootm /mnt/nfs/barebox" during development keeps me from making stupid errors...
  • [13:53:34] <KotH> one can define scripts for uboot, ya know?
  • [13:55:19] <shoragan> of course, but why bother when you don't to remember addresses for each soc
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  • [13:56:31] <aholler> can't be that hard to make the relocation code relocatable
  • [13:57:08] <aholler> there just have to be someone who wants to do that
  • [13:57:43] <aholler> and going through the pain to get such a patch upstream ;)
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  • [14:00:07] <aholler> s/relocatable/position idependent/
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  • [14:03:46] <shoragan> i would expect uboot to already copy itself to the text base
  • [14:04:01] <aholler> no it copies itself on top of ram
  • [14:04:58] <aholler> but the copying stuff is still at a fixed address
  • [14:05:19] <aholler> + early_init I think
  • [14:06:59] <shoragan> oh
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  • [14:28:25] <av500> lol: http://linuxundich.de/de/ubuntu/gfk-symbolisiert-raubkopiermorder-mit-redhat-logo/
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  • [14:29:53] <aholler> haha, yes, those readhats do copy a lot ;)
  • [14:30:40] <aholler> evil linux people
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  • [14:33:12] <aholler> here is some text for the english reading people here: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1ahh6z/german_gfk_society_for_consumer_research_uses_the/c8xr44z
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  • [14:35:01] <KotH> knowing that company, i doubt it was an intern
  • [14:36:40] <KotH> (side note: some of the devices gfk are using are running linux and other gpl stuff.. w/o any declaration or publicated source)
  • [14:37:02] <mranostay> morning friends
  • [14:37:05] <mranostay> and KotH
  • [14:37:22] <aholler> KotH: it isn't forbidden to do so
  • [14:37:27] <KotH> moin mranostay
  • [14:37:33] <KotH> aholler: well it isnt
  • [14:37:58] <KotH> aholler: the thing is, those boxes are shipped to participants in their studies and stay there for years
  • [14:38:14] <aholler> my tablet uses a kernel to, no documentation or declaration
  • [14:38:15] <KotH> aholler: beside being sold to other companies and market research institutes
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  • [14:41:15] <KotH> aholler: you can get them for that
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  • [14:42:21] <KotH> aholler: according to gplv2 sec1 distributions of the software in any form have to "appropriately publish on each copy an appropriate copyright notice"
  • [14:42:58] <aholler> i can read myself and have read the gpl centuries ago
  • [14:43:47] <KotH> just because you sadi "it isnt forbidden to do so"
  • [14:44:12] <aholler> it isn't, i use linux since ages without having printed me a copy of the gpl
  • [14:44:52] <aholler> nor did I write documentation for my devices ;)
  • [14:46:07] <KotH> gah..
  • [14:46:17] <KotH> you're one of those archos guy as well?
  • [14:46:26] <KotH> building your own tablets and stuff?
  • [14:47:30] <av500> he was here in the office once :)
  • [14:47:36] <av500> other than that, no
  • [14:47:50] <aholler> KotH: see, you first didn't mention that they sell devices.
  • [14:48:24] <aholler> and almost every company is using some linux
  • [14:48:40] <aholler> that don't make them evil
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  • [14:50:17] <aholler> anyway, I just got an invitation from lego education in regard to visit an ev3 course ;)
  • [14:52:11] <KotH> aholler: well.. gfk is evil.. i know it.. i worked for them
  • [14:52:13] <mdp> I was begging to go visit them onsite when we were supporting them ;)
  • [14:52:19] <mdp> er, aholler
  • [14:53:11] <aholler> you stopped supporting them? ;)
  • [14:53:35] <mdp> I no longer provide support, that's correct
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  • [14:55:17] <aholler> hopefully they are already happy
  • [14:55:44] <mdp> their happiness is not my concern ;)
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  • [14:56:07] <aholler> but they won't find a better supporter
  • [14:56:42] <mdp> they are shipping...factory support calls generally end after the 911 production stop issues
  • [14:57:23] <mdp> luckily, all I did was non-stressful driver devel
  • [14:57:34] <aholler> like musb? ;)
  • [14:57:46] <mdp> lol
  • [14:58:15] <mdp> no, we have smart people to work on that
  • [15:01:20] <aholler> I wonder where they got my email from. they seem to think I'm a teacher
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  • [15:03:23] <mdp> be sure to request a free classroom set of EV3 kits ;)
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  • [15:04:49] <aholler> would do so if they would offer such. unfortunately they want to sell me reduced nxt kits
  • [15:05:07] <aholler> s/reduced/discounted/
  • [15:05:23] * KotH curses Ti
  • [15:05:43] <KotH> no offense dudes... but.. some shit is brain dead..
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  • [15:14:05] * aholler wonders where they ship the ev3s to ;)
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  • [15:18:00] <mdp> KotH: not possible, you're doing it wrong
  • [15:18:15] <mdp> aholler: clearance sale ;)
  • [15:18:21] * mru curses TI
  • [15:18:35] * jkridner (~jkridner@pdpc/supporter/active/jkridner) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  • [15:18:47] * mdp curses users
  • [15:18:54] * panto curses cursrs
  • [15:18:57] <panto> *curses
  • [15:19:01] * mdp ncurses TI
  • [15:19:06] <aholler> users are evil
  • [15:19:48] <mdp> agreed, only thing more evil is a combined user/customer
  • [15:19:50] * mdp shivers
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  • [15:22:03] <aholler> I'm awaiting a press release from the linux foundation regarding "lego catched" ;)
  • [15:22:55] <KotH> mdp: not you, the other TI
  • [15:23:04] <aholler> all your kids belong to us ;)
  • [15:23:18] <KotH> aholler: nope, av500's daughter belongs to me
  • [15:23:20] <mdp> hehe
  • [15:23:38] <aholler> KotH: people don't own poeple nor are they owned
  • [15:23:45] * mdp hands KotH 3 creeper cards
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  • [15:24:05] <mdp> aholler, can they be pwned?
  • [15:24:06] <KotH> hey! i aquired her in a fair trade!
  • [15:24:38] <gqq> bible says you can own slave and sell your daughter
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  • [15:25:01] <aholler> mdp: sure, I assume there is no evil drm in the ev3
  • [15:25:29] <mdp> supposedly open
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  • [15:26:02] <mdp> considering that it's an am180x and the brick has a uSD slot for booting...it's ready to hack
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  • [15:27:24] <aholler> I think it might be a nice device to play with.
  • [15:27:59] <aholler> hoping the kids won't discover this channel ;)
  • [15:29:17] <aholler> might become crowed with questions about how to control the motors
  • [15:29:28] <aholler> using opencv
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  • [15:29:34] <av500> istnt there SW from lego for that?
  • [15:29:37] <aholler> and js ;)
  • [15:30:05] <aholler> av500: there is, but kids discover almost everything
  • [15:30:56] <aholler> wait until they discovered the shell ;)
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  • [15:31:35] <KotH> wait until they discover the hiden link to the missile launch system
  • [15:31:48] <aholler> the sw is actually very nice to use.
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  • [15:32:29] <aholler> av500: it's a modified labview
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  • [15:32:44] <av500> does it support IEE$((?
  • [15:32:47] <av500> does it support IEE488?
  • [15:33:07] <mru> trouble with the shift key?
  • [15:33:14] <KotH> av500: 485?
  • [15:33:17] <av500> needs oiling
  • [15:33:40] <KotH> ah.. gbip..
  • [15:34:05] <panto> from back when hp was cool
  • [15:36:04] <aholler> like ti-calculators
  • [15:36:06] <aholler> ;)
  • [15:36:08] <KotH> that's what you get when you place an incompetent women at the helm
  • [15:36:24] <mdp> I'm out of cards!
  • [15:36:34] * panto hands mdp a creeper card
  • [15:36:41] <panto> it's my last one! use it well
  • [15:36:42] * mdp hands the card to KotH
  • [15:36:56] <KotH> thanks!
  • [15:37:06] <KotH> i slowly start to get a collection :)
  • [15:37:23] <mdp> when will U-Boot be done? Will it be done before or after the kernel is done?
  • [15:37:28] <KotH> mdp: but seriously... it could have been a man as well, it just was a woman this time
  • [15:37:39] <aholler> 3008
  • [15:37:51] * mdp notes on a yellow sticky
  • [15:38:57] * panto facepalms
  • [15:39:15] <panto> read -r -t 2 != read -r -t2
  • [15:39:21] <panto> wtf bash people?
  • [15:39:35] <av500> bash them
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  • [15:40:17] <aholler> historic stuff, you need a software archeologist
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  • [15:40:48] <mranostay> panto: need a hug?
  • [15:40:49] <aholler> or how they called correctly ;)
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  • [15:42:33] <KotH> aholler: sometimes a programmer at arms would be more usefull
  • [15:43:30] <aholler> I prefer peaceful people
  • [15:43:45] <mranostay> you come to the wrong place
  • [15:43:59] * KotH throws mranostay at aholler
  • [15:44:02] <KotH> definitly
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  • [15:44:45] <mranostay> ouch
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  • [15:50:15] <av500> http://jeelabs.net/projects/cafe/wiki/Electricity_consumption_meter
  • [15:52:27] <jkridner> koen: I'm looking at starting a nightly autobuilder of the next-gen flasher.
  • [15:52:44] <jkridner> anything you'd like to see in the script or particular place/script you think I should use?
  • [15:52:58] <shoragan> jkridner, next-gen flasher?
  • [15:53:00] <koen> what is that "next-gen flasher"?
  • [15:53:17] <mru> what colour is this flasher?
  • [15:53:19] <koen> goretex raincoats?
  • [15:53:21] <KotH> 10kW consumption???
  • [15:53:31] <jkridner> whatever. Black flasher. please.
  • [15:53:33] <KotH> that's more than 10 times than what i use
  • [15:54:10] <av500> KotH: dunno
  • [15:54:16] <av500> maybe a US household
  • [15:54:23] <av500> but then, the wiring is way to clean for the US
  • [15:54:29] <Shadyman> hehe
  • [15:54:40] <mru> a 100" tv in every room uses a fair bit of power
  • [15:54:58] <mdp> we only have 50" tvs in the bathrooms
  • [15:55:04] <koen> jkridner: I still don't know what you are talking about
  • [15:55:04] <mdp> quit exagerrating
  • [15:55:12] <av500> so does cooling every room down to freezing
  • [15:55:15] <koen> jkridner: I only know of the uSD card during burn in
  • [15:55:27] <Shadyman> Burn ALL THE THINGS
  • [15:55:35] <av500> WITH FIRE!
  • [15:55:43] <aholler> get rid of the screen saver
  • [15:56:03] <aholler> use a black one
  • [15:56:28] <av500> ethically saved screen
  • [15:56:40] <KotH> av500: my comment on that: never let a software guy design hardware
  • [15:56:50] <jkridner> koen: yes, that one.
  • [15:57:07] <jkridner> because it initializes boards for people doing testing.
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  • [15:58:42] <panto> KotH, there's corollary, never let a h/w guy dictate s/w
  • [15:58:48] <Shadyman> I shall dual-wield soldering irons and it shall be glorious.
  • [15:58:55] <alan_o> panto: +1 :)
  • [15:59:39] <KotH> panto: as i'm usually the one who does the software for the hw i design... i suffer from my own mistakes :)
  • [15:59:55] <av500> KotH: punch yourself
  • [15:59:55] <mdp> never let a middleman handle your s/w requirements
  • [16:00:06] <Shadyman> Never X your Ys
  • [16:00:12] <KotH> mdp: outsource to india!
  • [16:00:14] <aholler> do that with your wapon too
  • [16:00:33] <alan_o> mdp: but who will take the requirements from the customer and give them to the engineers?
  • [16:00:43] <koen> jkridner: you know what I'm going to say and I know you will only half follow the recommendation and then bitch and moan that it doesn't work because you skipped steps
  • [16:00:44] <Shadyman> alan_o: FedEx?
  • [16:00:49] <mdp> alan_o, we have a people person for that ;)
  • [16:00:49] * av500 talks to the subcontractor of the subcontractor of our chinese subcontrator
  • [16:00:49] <Shadyman> alan_o: /dev/null?
  • [16:00:51] <av500> fun
  • [16:01:09] <mdp> alan_o, WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?
  • [16:01:16] <av500> koen: jkridner: cant you two love birds get your own channel?
  • [16:01:18] <jkridner> I'm trying to check ahead of time about some of the typical steps I would skip.
  • [16:01:20] <Shadyman> Well, that escalated quickly.
  • [16:01:29] <jkridner> I'd expect to 'bitbake cloud9-gnome-image'...
  • [16:01:46] <jkridner> but, I don't know if that produces a 2GB eMMC image... though it might...
  • [16:01:50] <aholler> mdp: empty vessels ;)
  • [16:02:01] <jkridner> and, even if it does, then I likely need to boot it and dd it back to a file...
  • [16:02:01] <alan_o> mdp: I HAVE PEOPLE SKILLS!!!!
  • [16:02:36] <jkridner> but if you've looked at automating it in anyway, then it would be helpful.
  • [16:02:37] <mdp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCC_PxRWVI4 for anybody that forgot
  • [16:04:04] <Shadyman> Somebody's got a case of the Mondays!
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  • [16:06:12] <jkridner> koen: right now, I only get a rootfs .tar.(bz2|xz)
  • [16:06:27] <koen> correct
  • [16:06:35] <koen> you need root privs to make the sd card
  • [16:06:48] * jkridner looks at IMAGE_FSTYPES
  • [16:06:54] <jkridner> ah. :(
  • [16:07:04] <jkridner> so, are you doing anything automated?
  • [16:07:51] <koen> anything after the tar.xz is a bunch of scripts, moving uSD cards, pressing reset, etc
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  • [16:14:10] <koen> jkridner: the risk of blowing away your HD is too big, kpartx' 'show me the loop dev' is mutually exclusive with 'use a loopdev'
  • [16:14:39] <koen> jkridner: but doing a nightly of the cloud9 image can't hurt
  • [16:15:18] <aholler> you could check the size and type of the storage
  • [16:15:27] <aholler> at least the size is easy
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  • [16:15:57] <av500> aholler: it could be a netbook, less storage than the bone :)
  • [16:16:07] <aholler> thats true
  • [16:16:17] <av500> these days the boundaries between tool and toy are gone
  • [16:16:30] <aholler> but those are secured by evil drm
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  • [16:16:39] <aholler> ;)
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  • [16:17:22] <koen> av500: No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.
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  • [16:18:59] <av500> +1
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  • [16:20:20] <aholler> add a cc25xx and a cloud
  • [16:21:15] <av500> wtf is MDIO anyway?
  • [16:22:00] <aholler> only usable at 12 o'clock
  • [16:23:24] <aholler> (MidDay)
  • [16:24:07] <mdp> av500, I suppose we aren't thinking of the same MDIO
  • [16:26:01] <jkridner> koen: k, guess I'll just have to learn to deal with the rootfs.tar. have you thought about having the flasher work with the tarball? I guess I'm seeing writing to a file system be slower, but not sure if you've tried anything different.
  • [16:26:28] <shoragan> koen, i need to leave now, but i wanted to point you to http://git.pengutronix.de/?p=genimage.git . we've written that for ptxdist to generate (sd/disk) images with multiple partitions without beeing root/loopdev. I've also used it with OE before.
  • [16:26:53] <shoragan> if i have some time tomorrow i can point you to beginnings of a recipe
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  • [16:28:01] <jkridner> koen: given that I use virtual machines on EC2, I'm not really worried about blowing away my HDD.
  • [16:28:05] <shoragan> for the AM335x we use it to build a SD image with FAT (MLO, barebox, uImage, oftree, root.ubi for NAND) and ext4 rootfs
  • [16:28:17] <koen> shoragan: thanks, that solves part of the problem, the other is mkfs.ext4
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  • [16:28:36] <jkridner> thanks shoragan
  • [16:28:57] <shoragan> koen, jkridner, we use gene2fs+tune2fs+fsck.ext4
  • [16:29:00] <shoragan> works fine
  • [16:29:15] <koen> shoragan: that is not an ext4 image
  • [16:29:31] <koen> shoragan: only newly created files will use extents, etc
  • [16:29:57] <shoragan> koen, yes, but thats a minor evil to requiring root
  • [16:30:04] <shoragan> at least for us
  • [16:30:18] <koen> see http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-core/2012-June/023604.html
  • [16:31:08] <koen> Darren Hart worked on a pushing something like genext4fs into ext2fs progs
  • [16:31:10] <dm8tbr> and including a existing minimal image that then gets resize2fs'd or sthg like that is probably not 'nice' enough?
  • [16:31:15] <koen> but that is still ongoing
  • [16:31:41] <koen> jkridner: tarball would work, it isn't that much faster though
  • [16:32:08] <shoragan> koen, when you get to IMA/selinux labels, the only way seems to be to run the image once in qemu anyway :/
  • [16:32:20] <koen> jkridner: I don't have much time to spend on the flasher, though
  • [16:32:24] <jkridner> is it faster at all? I guess it would have first-time boot stuff, but during burn-in it could run.
  • [16:32:26] <jkridner> k.
  • [16:32:44] <koen> jkridner: but I did find out that you don't actually have to boot it, you can systemd-nspawn into it
  • [16:32:47] <jkridner> koen: I'm just looking for ways to get everyone involved in testing to incorporate daily changes.
  • [16:32:47] <shoragan> sry, i've got to run. see you.
  • [16:33:41] <koen> jkridner: getting people to test it and report back would be a big improvement already
  • [16:34:10] * av500 can test stuff that requires no thinking
  • [16:35:16] <koen> jkridner: did you notice the tiny boris logo you get when fedora automounts the g_multi partition?
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  • [16:37:03] <jkridner> nah, using OS X on a daily basis for my desktop. Linux only on servers at-the-moment.
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  • [16:37:52] <jkridner> on the list of billions of things to do to look at changing the Bone desktop background.
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  • [16:48:44] <aholler> emerge -1pv bluez
  • [16:48:45] <aholler> uups
  • [16:49:45] <av500> demerge
  • [16:49:57] <aholler> dement ;)
  • [16:50:25] * KotH wonders whether there is an emerge equivalent of apt-get moo
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  • [16:54:23] <aholler> there was, but it it disappeared: http://www.eeggs.com/images/items/927.full.jpg
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  • [16:55:32] <KotH> looks like larry likes debian better than gentoo
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  • [16:57:58] <aholler> there even was a discussion about the type of cow. gentoo's cow was nicier than debians
  • [16:58:31] <ogra_> did it moo more melodically ?
  • [16:58:47] * mranostay mooos
  • [16:58:55] <aholler> it was more rounded
  • [17:00:07] <aholler> the debian bug about that should still exist, maybe already closed ;)
  • [17:00:22] <mranostay> you are kidding right?
  • [17:00:35] <aholler> no
  • [17:00:57] * mranostay facepalms
  • [17:02:14] <KotH> mranostay: geeks, you know? geeks
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  • [17:13:59] <mru> phew, got the damn thing to link
  • [17:14:04] <mru> now if only it would run
  • [17:14:43] <mranostay> mru: you must crawl^H^H^Hlink before you can walk^H^H^H^Hrun
  • [17:15:04] <mru> hush: can't execute './avconv': Cannot allocate memory
  • [17:16:00] <mranostay> mru: that seems wrong
  • [17:16:10] <mru> of course it's wrong
  • [17:16:13] <mru> that's what I'm saying
  • [17:16:23] <av500> malloc(100GB)?
  • [17:16:31] <mru> it's the exec that fails
  • [17:16:38] <av500> uclinux
  • [17:16:42] <mru> yes
  • [17:16:43] <av500> out of buffers
  • [17:16:52] <av500> we need a bigger boat
  • [17:17:54] <mru> any suggestions for finding out _what_ allocation is failing?
  • [17:19:13] <av500> http://blackfin.uclinux.org/gf/project/uclinux-dist/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEdit&tracker_item_id=6940
  • [17:19:19] <av500> happens on BFIN too
  • [17:19:58] <mru> yes, after a while memory always gets fragmented
  • [17:20:07] <mru> but this is on a freshly booted system
  • [17:20:14] <av500> did you turn it off and on again?
  • [17:20:17] <av500> oh
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  • [17:20:29] <mru> and the gcc-built version runs
  • [17:20:34] <mru> sizes are similar
  • [17:20:43] <av500> ah
  • [17:20:51] <av500> use gcc then
  • [17:20:57] <mru> fuck you
  • [17:21:19] <mranostay> well now children
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  • [17:33:08] <mranostay> bradfa: interns? :)
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  • [18:12:19] <mrpackethead> exactsteps.com
  • [18:13:33] <mranostay> seems that is taken
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  • [18:13:54] <mranostay> Crofton|work: welcome to the new day
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  • [18:14:32] <mrpackethead> The domain exactsteps.com may be for sale by its owner!
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  • [18:27:45] * ogra_ points to #pandaboard ... someone looks for exactsteps there
  • [18:28:09] <ogra_> (or a body guide ... its not really clear)
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  • [18:40:45] <mranostay> pandaboard is dead, jim
  • [18:42:35] <ogra_> tell that to my build machines :)
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  • [18:45:10] <ynezz> how dead?
  • [18:46:36] <ynezz> web seems to be alive
  • [18:46:40] <mru> I think it's beyond resting
  • [18:46:48] * ynezz is confused
  • [18:47:35] <ogra_> zombiepanda
  • [18:47:41] <koen> ynezz: it was a faux community project and TI fired all the people involved
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  • [18:49:51] <mranostay> zombieboard!
  • [18:49:59] <ogra_> ++
  • [18:50:07] * mranostay whois's
  • [18:50:44] <bradfa> mranostay, sadly, no
  • [18:51:00] <mranostay> koen: would a zombie board qualify for animalboard.org?
  • [18:51:13] <ogra_> heh, .de exists
  • [18:51:18] <bradfa> mranostay, was an "open source" project we chose to use, and by we I mean someone who doesn't write code picked it
  • [18:51:45] <mranostay> ah that is a mru domain as well
  • [18:52:01] <ynezz> koen: d'oh!
  • [18:53:21] <ynezz> mranostay: I've seen your g+ picture of that usb 480 protocol analyzer and I wonder if it's usable under Linux
  • [18:54:35] <mdp> all the totalphase equipment has linux support
  • [18:55:01] <ynezz> well, I don't own any of their stuff
  • [18:55:09] <mdp> yes
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  • [18:55:34] <mdp> I don't own any either, have used it in the past
  • [18:55:36] <mranostay> well a greek guy will be able to review it better
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  • [18:56:28] <ynezz> anyway it looks like there's not much other options
  • [18:57:07] <mranostay> av500: er how do you have hawkboard.org?
  • [18:57:18] <ds2> Hmmmm
  • [18:57:19] <ynezz> that opensizla/viszla has been kickarted like 2 years ago, but nothing yet :)
  • [18:57:22] <mranostay> er eagleboard.org rather
  • [18:57:35] <ds2> where is the eagleboard?!!?!??!!?!?!?
  • [18:57:36] <ds2> :D
  • [18:58:09] <mdp> with the dragons
  • [18:58:22] <mranostay> "This is not xkcd"
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  • [19:04:04] <KotH> velociraptors?
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  • [19:05:43] <KotH> ynezz: the beagl480 is really worth it
  • [19:06:05] <KotH> ynezz: if you are writing your own usb stack or have to debug usb hardware, there is nothing but the beagle 5000 that beats it
  • [19:06:39] <mdp> it's required for working with musb or omap ehci
  • [19:06:40] <KotH> ynezz: software works superb on linux (much better than on windows, but that's not totalphase fault)
  • [19:07:06] * KotH would not have been able to write an usb stack w/o it
  • [19:07:20] <mranostay> KotH: is that 10.41 times better?
  • [19:07:27] <KotH> especially considering the faults in the documentation and the silicon
  • [19:07:41] <KotH> mranostay: i havent tested it yet, so i cannot say
  • [19:07:52] <mdp> fwiw, the spi and i2c analyzers are great too
  • [19:07:53] <KotH> mranostay: but i assume it to be at least 5 times better
  • [19:08:14] <mru> wow, docs _and_ si
  • [19:08:22] <KotH> mdp: what is their advantage over a general logic analyser?
  • [19:08:28] <mru> usually blaming one is enough
  • [19:08:32] <ds2> Mmmmmm beagle
  • [19:08:35] <mdp> none by today's standards
  • [19:08:47] <KotH> mru: and none of the bugs i reported ended up in any errata
  • [19:08:53] <KotH> mru: after 4 years
  • [19:09:00] <ds2> for a lot of things, the beagle12 gets you pretty far
  • [19:09:01] <mdp> they just have had linux host s/w for ages now...before sigrok and ols existed etc.
  • [19:09:16] <KotH> in the meantime they made a new generation of their chips and i guess, the old bugs are still there (at least the docu bugs are)
  • [19:09:22] <ds2> mdp: sigrok supports the beagle analyzers now?
  • [19:09:27] <mdp> not a lot of tools in that category were like that but it has been their differentiator
  • [19:09:42] <mranostay> ds2: i don't think it does
  • [19:09:43] <alan_o> ds2: The software has a lot of limitations when running with the beagle12
  • [19:10:02] <mdp> ds2, I'm implying that before the hobbyist priced LA h/w and sigrok project...this was it
  • [19:10:03] <alan_o> for, example, they turn off class-level decoding (among other things) when running with a 12
  • [19:10:14] <mdp> sorta like bdi2000 before openocd
  • [19:10:18] <ds2> alan_o: nothing absolutely missing except for maybe HS
  • [19:11:18] <KotH> ds2: and that can be the crucial piece to figure out what is wrong with your software
  • [19:11:21] <KotH> or hardware
  • [19:11:22] <KotH> or both
  • [19:11:25] <alan_o> I'm not sure exactly what you mean..... I mean they turn off stuff in the software (PC software) that shouldn't have anything to do with hardware. (but they do it anyway, to get you to buy the 480).
  • [19:11:55] <mdp> alan_o, value-add
  • [19:12:01] <alan_o> yeah.....
  • [19:12:05] <aholler> efused
  • [19:12:13] <alan_o> aholler: it's not even efused
  • [19:12:21] <alan_o> it's turned off in the PC software.
  • [19:12:22] <aholler> sfused
  • [19:12:23] <ds2> alan_o:anything besides some decodes?
  • [19:12:34] <alan_o> ds2: trying to remember
  • [19:12:50] <alan_o> but yeah, it's all stuff you _can_ get by without
  • [19:13:05] <alan_o> of course one _can_ also get by without an analyzer :)
  • [19:13:20] <ds2> donno about a total lack of analyzer
  • [19:13:26] <aholler> debugers are for whimps ;)
  • [19:13:29] <ds2> the main one I ran into has to do with decodes
  • [19:13:37] <mdp> alan_o, if their salary is low enough, by all means
  • [19:13:37] <KotH> ds2: another advantage of the beagle480 are the 4 digital inputs
  • [19:13:44] <ds2> but that feature wasn't in there when I initially got it
  • [19:13:44] <mdp> test equipment is for overpriced people
  • [19:13:47] <KotH> ds2: helps you to debug timing related bugs in the system
  • [19:14:23] <ds2> KotH: is that the 480 or the new 5000?
  • [19:14:28] <KotH> ds2: 480
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  • [19:14:56] <mdp> alan_o, your :) is duly noted...otherwise I'd call you !sane
  • [19:15:40] <ds2> KotH: good to know. been thinking about upgrading from the at the next project. mine date back to pre480 times
  • [19:15:58] <alan_o> mdp: there's of course the difference between can and want-to :)
  • [19:16:01] <KotH> ds2: as i said, the 480 is totally worth it
  • [19:16:10] <KotH> ds2: wouldnt want to miss it anywhere where usb is involved
  • [19:16:29] <mdp> I wish they made pcie analyzers :(
  • [19:16:31] <ds2> KotH: but why not go with the latest - the 5000?
  • [19:16:33] <KotH> ds2: especially if it's hardware from a manufacturer that stars with a and ends with tmel
  • [19:17:00] <KotH> ds2: got the 480 in pre-5000 times, havent had a project yet that would justify the 5000
  • [19:17:16] <mrpackethead> odd request.. dont' suppose anyone knows of a package that contains 4 indicator leds, + curent limiting resistors
  • [19:17:24] <ds2> KotH: I mainly use it to see WtF with baremetal guys sending stuff up to Linux drivers that they claim is 'good'
  • [19:17:31] <mrpackethead> just looking at reducing placing costs, if i can replace 8 parts with 1
  • [19:17:33] <mrpackethead> its a good saving
  • [19:17:51] <KotH> ds2: eheh
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  • [19:19:10] <KotH> mrpackethead: "a package"?
  • [19:19:19] <mrpackethead> yeah, all in one part
  • [19:19:23] <mdp> alan_o, btw, if you don't like their product value schemes you should start an OSHW project to replace it ;)
  • [19:19:33] <mrpackethead> maybe being idealisitic
  • [19:19:38] <KotH> mrpackethead: you can buy leds with integrated current limiters
  • [19:19:47] <KotH> mrpackethead: but that'd be single leds
  • [19:19:58] <KotH> mrpackethead: and about 10 times the price of a single led and a resistor
  • [19:20:04] <mrpackethead> i can buy a resistor network
  • [19:20:09] <mdp> alan_o, preferably not kickstarter BS
  • [19:20:12] <mrpackethead> thats likely what i'll do
  • [19:20:19] <KotH> mrpackethead: why would you need a package?
  • [19:20:27] <mrpackethead> to reduce placement costs
  • [19:20:32] <KotH> o_0
  • [19:20:34] <mrpackethead> 1 part vs 8 parts
  • [19:20:43] <mranostay> 0_o
  • [19:20:43] <mrpackethead> all the 0.08c's add up
  • [19:20:45] <mrpackethead> :-)
  • [19:20:49] <KotH> you must have millions of leds if that is an issue
  • [19:21:14] <mrpackethead> the optimisations end up being tens of thousands of dollars
  • [19:21:24] <KotH> how many do you produce? 10k/y?
  • [19:21:39] <mrpackethead> 100k+
  • [19:21:40] <aholler> thats why there exists hw without an rtc because the crystal is expensive
  • [19:21:49] <KotH> mrpackethead: ok.. then it's might be worthwhile :)
  • [19:22:15] <mrpackethead> have optimised 46 resistors on a project
  • [19:22:26] <KotH> aholler: and often because a crystal is way too power hungry
  • [19:22:27] <mrpackethead> it has an expected value of almost $80,000 pa to me
  • [19:22:35] <mrpackethead> for 4 hours work
  • [19:22:39] <mranostay> nice
  • [19:23:03] <mrpackethead> provided the sales team stick to their plan!
  • [19:23:08] <KotH> mranostay: that's large volume production for you
  • [19:23:21] <KotH> mranostay: you start hunting each and every rappen :)
  • [19:23:52] <KotH> we once spend a week squeezing out 0.10usd out of a device
  • [19:23:57] <mranostay> heh
  • [19:24:20] <mrpackethead> $80k = half an engineer for a year
  • [19:24:24] <aholler> KotH: sure, crystals are the reason for the global warming
  • [19:24:25] <KotH> payback was in the range of 100k in the first year :)
  • [19:24:53] <aholler> without them, every hw would suddenly require much less power
  • [19:24:55] <KotH> aholler: if your device has to run from a small coin cell for over a year, then every uA counts
  • [19:25:16] <KotH> aholler: and a crystall needs more than an RC oscillator, by a factor of 2-10
  • [19:25:42] <aholler> do you power stuff like the bb with a coin cell? impressive
  • [19:25:58] <KotH> not every device we do runs linux ;)
  • [19:26:24] <aholler> and not everything needs a rtc
  • [19:26:45] <KotH> but every uC needs an oscillator to work
  • [19:27:05] <alan_o> mdp: hehe, I'm not complaining (well, not complaining _that_ hard), but I was confused about the software limitations when I bought it (shame on me, for assuming). I just don't want others to run into the same thing.
  • [19:27:28] <mdp> fair enough
  • [19:27:55] <KotH> alan_o: have you complained to totalphase?
  • [19:28:00] <ds2> indeed crystals are the reason for global warming
  • [19:28:08] <KotH> alan_o: they are usually quite responsive to such stuff
  • [19:28:12] <ds2> all that entropy it must cause somewhere else...
  • [19:28:50] <ds2> alan_o: when did you get it? from my point of view, it is more of extra features they added to other models rather then software limitations
  • [19:28:51] <alan_o> KotH: there's nothing to complain about. it's just their model. They're selling software (features) as part of the upgraded hardware price.
  • [19:29:09] <KotH> alan_o: i would still mention that
  • [19:29:13] <alan_o> ds2: I got it 15 months ago
  • [19:29:19] <KotH> alan_o: it might prompt them to change their model :)
  • [19:29:24] <mrpackethead> how come when i make an order from mouser, there is always somethign else you need.
  • [19:29:37] <alan_o> ^^^
  • [19:29:42] <KotH> alan_o: but on the other hand, given the fact that you get free software upgrades with your hardware...
  • [19:30:00] <ds2> alan_o: ah... that explains it. i got it before the 480 existed so all those features are bonuses in their free sw
  • [19:30:24] <alan_o> not sue what you mean
  • [19:30:36] <KotH> alan_o: and from the first time i used the 480 to the last time a year or two ago, the software evolved quite a bit
  • [19:30:37] <alan_o> bonuses only when you have a 480 attached
  • [19:31:10] <ds2> those features didn't existed before the 480 was introduced
  • [19:31:18] <alan_o> ah.
  • [19:31:26] <ds2> so I bought it w/o even considering those features (it wasn't available on any model)
  • [19:31:35] <alan_o> oh ok.
  • [19:31:56] <ds2> whereas you got it much later so it looked like it was crippled
  • [19:32:02] <alan_o> yes
  • [19:32:14] <alan_o> like I said, I'm not complaining (very hard). It's just something I got tripped up on, that others in the market should be aware of.
  • [19:32:45] <alan_o> It'd be cool if we had a driver for it that could hook into usbmon
  • [19:32:51] <alan_o> and we could analyze from wireshark
  • [19:34:46] <mdp> sigrok driver
  • [19:35:08] <mdp> then output usbmon format that wireshark/tcpdump grok
  • [19:35:10] <mdp> pun intended
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  • [19:36:07] <mdp> can be implemented with the current low/full speed protocol decoder independent of a more capable analyzer
  • [19:36:36] <KotH> well writing that stuff shouldnt be a problem
  • [19:36:45] <alan_o> KotH: it's just software
  • [19:36:47] <KotH> you can export the captured data and process it
  • [19:36:59] * KotH did a graphical timing visualization with perl once
  • [19:37:31] <mdp> alan_o, +1 !!!
  • [19:37:57] <mdp> better to have it within an existing de facto standard signal gathering framework
  • [19:39:40] <ds2> mdp: what sigrok hw works well with the USB 2.0 HS signaling? massive scope captures?
  • [19:39:53] <mdp> I said low/full
  • [19:40:17] <ds2> but HS is the in more interesting one
  • [19:40:18] <mdp> two separate thoughts
  • [19:40:32] <ds2> what works well today with LS/FS?
  • [19:40:56] <mdp> 1) low/full decoding exists now in sigrok with commodity h/w. leverage that and write a new output format for usbmon protocol that tcpdump/wireshark digest
  • [19:41:13] <mdp> 2) implement hardware driver for a hs capable device (and decoder)
  • [19:41:57] <aholler> 3) win lotto
  • [19:42:01] <mdp> ds2, iirc from list stuff...it was the Vu unit
  • [19:42:04] <mdp> ...
  • [19:42:09] <mdp> *) profit
  • [19:42:25] <mdp> ds2, vague recollection
  • [19:42:40] <alan_o> mdp: then people demand you give it away for free
  • [19:42:50] <mdp> scratch the profit part
  • [19:42:51] <alan_o> mdp: then they demand that you support them indefinitely
  • [19:43:06] <alan_o> mdp: I think we're back to 3) Win Lotto
  • [19:43:11] * KotH demands free swiss chocolate for everyone!
  • [19:43:25] <mdp> alan_o, that's been the fun of FOSS forever ;) people demanding you support your free software for free on their schedule
  • [19:43:28] <alan_o> KotH: yeah!!! yes we can! yes we can!!
  • [19:43:39] <mdp> hehe
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  • [19:46:14] <_av500_> gm
  • [19:51:22] <mranostay> mdp: freedom isn't free
  • [19:51:25] * mranostay ducks
  • [19:51:34] <_av500_> freeducks?
  • [19:51:40] <mdp> it's filled with morons, yes
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  • [19:58:44] <KotH> The median age of an American home is 36 years old. <- is that true?
  • [20:01:00] <_av500_> the home?
  • [20:01:07] <KotH> the age
  • [20:01:12] <aholler> sounds reasonable. they don't build houses like europeans do
  • [20:01:13] <_av500_> the ture
  • [20:01:16] <_av500_> true
  • [20:01:59] <_av500_> also they blow up their homes in action movies all the time
  • [20:02:37] * NishanthMenon wonders if his house is old enough for action movies :P
  • [20:02:46] * KotH does not think he has ever lived in a house that was younger than 30 years, not younger than 20 for sure
  • [20:03:45] * _av500_ does
  • [20:04:08] <KotH> build one yourself?
  • [20:07:33] <_av500_> with my bear hands
  • [20:08:05] <KotH> ah.. living in a hole you dug yourself
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  • [20:08:16] <_av500_> yes, I call if "life"
  • [20:08:24] <_av500_> it*
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  • [20:08:45] <KotH> there is no life in IT ;)
  • [20:10:16] <_av500_> true
  • [20:10:29] * mru has (a share in) a house in sweden that's ~250 years old
  • [20:12:31] <_av500_> mru: I hope it does not have an 8bit age....
  • [20:12:40] <mru> heh
  • [20:13:05] * KotH would also have a share in an old house, if the bulgarians wouldnt have "aquired" the house from our family
  • [20:13:07] <mru> I guess we'll find out soon enough
  • [20:13:07] <aholler> hopefully there will be never an hurrican or tornado there
  • [20:14:01] <KotH> like in day after tomorrow?
  • [20:14:13] <mru> not that soon
  • [20:14:34] <mru> it was allegedly built in 1760
  • [20:14:57] <mdp> it's an alleged house
  • [20:14:59] <KotH> and C14 said it was probably 1860? :)
  • [20:15:00] <mru> mdp: that's older than your entire _country_
  • [20:15:25] <mdp> old and washed up
  • [20:15:25] <aholler> and colder
  • [20:15:29] <mru> KotH: there's no reason to doubt it
  • [20:15:53] * KotH does not
  • [20:16:09] <mru> they always kept good records in sweden
  • [20:16:28] <KotH> having been in buildings build before anyone knew there was another continent on the other side of the big pond...
  • [20:16:51] <mru> plenty of those in europe
  • [20:16:57] <KotH> yeah
  • [20:17:15] <alan_o> KotH: you mean anybody except the people who were already there, right?
  • [20:17:19] <KotH> being in a 700 year old turkish bath is kind of nice :)
  • [20:17:36] <KotH> alan_o: they didnt know they were on the other side of the big pond ;)
  • [20:17:43] <aholler> ust that it wasn't turkish then
  • [20:18:11] <KotH> aholler: go back to your history books ;)
  • [20:18:21] <mru> lots of old roman stuff too if you look around
  • [20:18:34] <alan_o> KotH: Welcome to America, now speak Cherokee :)
  • [20:18:46] <KotH> alan_o: *g*
  • [20:19:06] <KotH> mru: and sometimes where people dont want to look ;)
  • [20:19:20] <KotH> mru: like when digging to build a new high rise...
  • [20:22:30] <aholler> KotH: so you bath was build by osman?
  • [20:22:33] <_av500_> roman stuff everywhere
  • [20:23:09] <KotH> aholler: turkish people have been in anatolia since at least 1100
  • [20:23:23] <aholler> and they called themself turks
  • [20:23:33] <KotH> yes
  • [20:24:06] <_av500_> bloody romand littered the whole world with theirr streets and bridges and central heating
  • [20:24:19] <KotH> the turkish family of people is quite broad and old
  • [20:24:31] <KotH> even the uzbeks call themselves "turks"
  • [20:24:46] <aholler> and you left them
  • [20:24:49] <aholler> why?
  • [20:25:26] <_av500_> hmmm
  • [20:25:26] <dm8tbr> av500: Romanes eunt domus!
  • [20:25:30] <KotH> well... the usual hunting grounds of the turkish tribes in the west were suddenly surrounded by a large wall
  • [20:25:44] <KotH> that made it necessary to go east to look for greener pastures
  • [20:25:48] <_av500_> firewall?
  • [20:25:57] <_av500_> or videowall?
  • [20:26:02] <KotH> chinese wall
  • [20:26:27] <_av500_> chinese mall
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  • [20:36:46] <_av500_> hmm
  • [20:36:53] <_av500_> XDM API now has multicore support
  • [20:36:58] <_av500_> makes sense
  • [20:37:25] <mru> something makes sense?
  • [20:37:27] <mru> that's a first
  • [20:37:53] <_av500_> well, I was asking myself how codecs on the 6678 use several cores
  • [20:38:04] <_av500_> since XDAIS does not define spawning threads
  • [20:38:31] <_av500_> I'm looking at the h264 decoder, will try to get that running in linux
  • [20:38:42] <_av500_> write some tiny wrapper that calls the XDAIS stuff
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  • [20:41:16] <_av500_> ah there is a test app
  • [20:41:17] <_av500_> for sysbios of course
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  • [20:42:59] * KotH should someday study the old turkish writing systems
  • [20:44:13] <ds2> new meaning to chicken scratch?
  • [20:44:51] <KotH> getting more meanings out of old stuff
  • [20:45:17] <KotH> and maybe i get a clue why so many words are similar in turkish and japanese
  • [20:45:18] <_av500_> on multicore, a simple "i" is not enough: for (ii = 0; ii < IH264_MAXCORES; ii++)
  • [20:45:39] <KotH> lol
  • [20:45:44] <mru> that should be ok on dual-core
  • [20:45:53] <mru> for your octocore you need iiiiiiii
  • [20:46:08] <mru> or is that logarithmic so iii is enough?
  • [20:47:49] <_av500_> i8 maybe
  • [20:47:52] <_av500_> or i6i
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  • [20:59:13] <KotH> hmpf.. looks like i have to learn russian in order to learn about old turkish languages...
  • [20:59:23] <mru> russian is hard
  • [20:59:41] <KotH> yeah..
  • [20:59:48] <KotH> oh.. there a few german texts as well..
  • [21:00:06] <mru> german is reasonable
  • [21:00:19] <KotH> yeah.. especially if you already know it :)
  • [21:00:41] <_av500_> Copyright (C) 1996, MPEG Software Simulation Group.
  • [21:00:44] <_av500_> wow, old code
  • [21:00:48] <mru> KotH: well, so is russian
  • [21:03:02] <ds2> _av500_: hmmm does that mean anything mentioned in there is either patent expired or unpatentable now?
  • [21:03:24] <mru> no, patents are forever
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  • [21:04:38] <_av500_> ds2: its some TI dsp malloc code
  • [21:04:50] <_av500_> nothing really mpeg specific inside
  • [21:05:34] <ds2> blah
  • [21:06:04] <_av500_> I wish TII would use consistent code formatting
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  • [21:06:31] <mru> try to keep your wishes at least somewhat realistic
  • [21:06:36] <mru> you'll be less disappointed that way
  • [21:07:02] <_av500_> well, nothing indent cannot fix
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  • [21:07:20] <ds2> indent ;)
  • [21:07:37] <_av500_> I normalized a lot of indian code drops that way
  • [21:07:41] <_av500_> to find the 3 lines that changed
  • [21:08:15] <_av500_> besides each file date and "version" having been changed of course
  • [21:08:37] <mru> what about the pointless renames?
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  • [21:10:10] <_av500_> that happened less
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  • [21:14:27] <jg_> jkridner: I think you helped me this weekend to build the 3.8 kernel for my beagle bone. Unfortunately I didn't get to building it that night, but i have another question. You mentioned I should copy over all the dtb files to the boot directory, do I actually need them all or just the following: am335x-bone.dtb
  • [21:14:59] <jg_> and am335x-evm.dtb
  • [21:15:42] <jkridner> just am335x-bone.dtb
  • [21:16:04] <jg_> And i take it the boneblack is for the next gen bb
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  • [21:19:10] <mranostay> jg_: we cannot confirm or deny that sir
  • [21:19:35] <jg_> fair enough :)
  • [21:19:40] <mranostay> but yes :)
  • [21:19:42] <mdp> the black just means it's cloaked in secrecy
  • [21:20:10] <mranostay> mdp: black project of sorts?
  • [21:20:27] <jg_> just one more question: do I need the uImage-dtb.am335x-bone too, or is that the uImage with the am335x-bone.dtb included?
  • [21:21:27] <mrpackethead> 154 - 109 parts by optimising
  • [21:21:35] <mrpackethead> that is a postive win.
  • [21:24:10] <_av500_> wow, google made a shopping list app
  • [21:24:54] <ds2> *yawn*
  • [21:25:27] <_av500_> I MUST HAVE IT
  • [21:26:07] * mranostay backs away from _av500_
  • [21:26:31] <mranostay> throws NAND chips in front of _av500_ and unleashs ds2
  • [21:26:32] * _av500_ keeps mranostay close
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  • [21:31:53] <_av500_> there, I installed it - ARE YOU HAPPY NOW GOOGLE?
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  • [21:44:39] <ogra_> what did you buy yet ?
  • [21:45:29] <_av500_> nothing
  • [21:46:15] <ogra_> why do you need a shopping list then ?
  • [21:46:28] <_av500_> becuase its from GOOGLE
  • [21:46:32] <_av500_> and its AWESOME
  • [21:46:33] <_av500_> man
  • [21:47:04] <ogra_> hah
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  • [22:00:04] <mru> _av500_: you must be confused
  • [22:00:16] <mru> only apple fanboys say shit like that
  • [22:00:39] <ogra_> that was before there was a google shoppinglist app
  • [22:01:00] <ogra_> back in the days ...
  • [22:06:44] <_av500_> yeah
  • [22:06:48] <_av500_> we was blind
  • [22:06:52] <_av500_> now we see the light
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  • [22:14:11] <jg_> jkridner: Thanks again. Just got the kernel running (had a few hiccups but it's up) :D
  • [22:15:32] <refa> Anyone online, I have probably a beginner question how to start my beaglebone which I got today. The first thing I did was to download: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/archive/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beaglebone-2012.01.11.img.gz then I followed the instructions from http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ how to preformat the microSD card in Linux, I ejected it, plugged
  • [22:15:41] <mranostay> mru: i am not a apple fanboy
  • [22:15:49] <mranostay> i just own a lot of their stuff :)
  • [22:16:09] <refa> Then I inserted the network cable and power supply.
  • [22:16:17] <mru> contradiction alert!!
  • [22:17:17] <ds2> so that brings us to now, with your completely hairless but soot covered face? :D
  • [22:17:46] <refa> I waited a few secs and I found out the DHCP gave it an IP address and when I tried to get onto the beaglebone IP address from the web browser chrome, nothing happens, when I try ssh: ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.102 port 22: Connection refused
  • [22:18:11] <refa> Could someone help me please?
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  • [22:18:20] <woglinde> refa where is your serial console?
  • [22:18:37] <mranostay> nmap the range!
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  • [22:19:26] <refa> woglinde, I didn't connect it with the USB cable
  • [22:20:26] <woglinde> you should
  • [22:20:37] <woglinde> otherwise use a crystall ball
  • [22:20:50] <refa> woglinde thanks for the hint I will give it a try now
  • [22:21:03] <ds2> or just light a few of those black, ball shaped candles with a fuse on it :D
  • [22:21:44] <refa> mranostay, I tried nmap and it said the following: Nmap scan report for 192.168.1.102 Host is up (0.0019s latency). MAC Address: 00:18:31:8B:56:14 (Texas Instruments)
  • [22:22:22] <_av500_> do you see the leds blink?
  • [22:22:35] <_av500_> there should be at least one heartbeat led
  • [22:22:43] <_av500_> blinking merrily
  • [22:22:45] <ds2> and is it counting down to zero?
  • [22:22:45] <refa> Yes
  • [22:22:53] <_av500_> well, then linux is up
  • [22:23:35] <refa> _av500_, I see the led0 blink fast two times, then a break and then again the same process repeated
  • [22:26:06] <woglinde> o.O (serial console)
  • [22:26:34] <refa> woglinde, I plugged in the USB cable, pressed the reset button
  • [22:27:04] <refa> woglinde, it produced a log output about the modules which were loaded and now I can log in
  • [22:28:10] <woglinde> fine than you will find out why sshd is not running
  • [22:28:26] <refa> woglinde, I entered: root and then enter
  • [22:29:41] <Shadyman> Ooo, new stuff went up on http://www.goldmine-elec.com/
  • [22:29:41] <woglinde> you do not have to tell me
  • [22:29:47] <woglinde> I know how to login
  • [22:30:17] <refa> :)
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  • [22:33:52] <refa> woglinde, do you get the following in output as well?
  • [22:33:53] <refa> Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel. [ 0.065817] omap_l3_smx omap_l3_smx.0: couldn't find resource [ 0.224020] _omap_mux_get_by_name: Could not find signal leds-gpio [ 0.289281] omap2_set_init_voltage: unable to get clk dpll1_ck [ 0.295379] omap2_set_init_voltage: unable to set vdd_mpu_iva [ 0.301412] omap2_set_init_voltage: unable to get clk l3_ick [ 0.307314] omap2_set_init_voltage: unable to set vdd_core
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  • [22:34:06] <refa> sd
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  • [22:34:34] <woglinde> pastein
  • [22:34:37] <woglinde> ups
  • [22:34:42] <woglinde> use pastebin please
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  • [22:34:52] <woglinde> stop spamming the channel
  • [22:35:08] <refa> woglinde, sorry, it wasn't my intention to spam it
  • [22:35:43] <refa> can I send you privately the log output?
  • [22:35:49] <woglinde> no
  • [22:36:02] <refa> ok :(
  • [22:36:10] <woglinde> what should me the kernel output say
  • [22:36:15] <woglinde> your system is running
  • [22:36:27] <woglinde> check whats with sshd
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  • [22:37:26] <refa> ps -A | grep sshd gives me the following message: Unknown HZ value! (87) Assume 100.
  • [22:38:12] <refa> if I type it, it is not found at all sshd: command not found
  • [22:39:12] <woglinde> sure because dropbear is installed
  • [22:39:31] <woglinde> or it is really none sshd installed
  • [22:39:37] <woglinde> than install one
  • [22:39:42] <woglinde> with opkg
  • [22:40:34] <refa> Thanks woglinde for the hint
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  • [22:47:36] <refa> woglinde, once I tried opkg install sshd, I got the following response: Package openssh-ssh (5.9p1-r4) installed in root is up to date. I tried to type then once again sshd but it said command not found :/
  • [22:49:35] <woglinde> /etc/init.d/sshd start
  • [22:49:49] <refa> I tried now with opkg update and then the same but it returned wget: server returned error: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found
  • [22:50:48] <refa> woglinde, just tried that out: -sh: /etc/init.d/sshd: No such file or directory
  • [22:51:22] <refa> I tried to ping google.com and it works, so it is online
  • [22:53:07] <refa> maybe I should try with another version of angstrom?
  • [22:54:51] <woglinde> maybee its openssh
  • [22:55:02] <woglinde> have you ever used a linux before?
  • [22:55:49] <refa> yes, but ubuntu
  • [22:56:28] <refa> things haven't been that hard to set up :) but this is a chance to learn even more :)
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  • [22:59:43] <panto> hi prpplague
  • [23:00:12] <prpplague> panto: up late?
  • [23:00:19] <mru> it's all purple!
  • [23:00:19] <panto> yeah
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  • [23:11:17] <refa> woglinde, thanks for your help, it is late here, so I will go to bed, will continue to play with the beaglebone tomorrow :)
  • [23:11:48] <refa> bye to the rest of community, cya all
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  • [23:16:58] <refa> quit
  • [23:17:01] <refa> exit
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  • [23:18:06] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> I have a 1ma current source attached to one of the analog inputs. Do I need to worry about blowing ain if it's attached to a 3.3v rail, but limited to 1ma?
  • [23:18:45] <mrpackethead> lol.
  • [23:19:18] <mrpackethead> got an email from CCO
  • [23:19:22] <mrpackethead> only 6 weeks late
  • [23:19:26] <mrpackethead> we'ld like to quote on your job
  • [23:19:38] <mrpackethead> im sorry, we've almost finished the job now
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  • [23:22:19] <woglinde> mrpackethead?
  • [23:22:58] <mrpackethead> yes.
  • [23:23:22] <woglinde> anyqay
  • [23:23:26] <woglinde> good nite
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  • [23:55:07] <ds2> depends on the compliance of the current source
  • [23:56:38] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> why would that matter?
  • [23:56:58] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> the question would be, can whatever is attached to the ain pin, that usually blows up, sink 1mA of current?
  • [23:57:08] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> safely.
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  • [23:58:48] <Shadyman> with^Hwithout fire
  • [23:58:57] <Shadyman> er, ^W. but yes
  • [23:59:03] <Shadyman> no idea :/