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  • [00:36:14] <mrpackethead> hi.. could someone suggest a source for the 2x23 pin headers that are on various capes
  • [00:37:07] <Shadyman> 1 sec
  • [00:37:42] <Shadyman> bah, not what i was looking for.
  • [00:38:15] <Shadyman> I think there's a part number or two in the SRM
  • [00:40:10] <mrpackethead> i got some part numbers for major league electronics
  • [00:40:20] <mrpackethead> but rying to find a distributor / reseller for htem
  • [00:40:30] <mrpackethead> i'd like to stick to the ones that are on teh beagle now
  • [00:40:31] <Shadyman> mrpackethead: http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/SLW-123-01-T-D/SAM1092-23-ND/1104764 looks like one
  • [00:40:55] <Shadyman> though it may be cheaper to get a 50-pos and snap the extra 4 pins off
  • [00:41:40] <mrpackethead> $1448.81 of prototype parts alrady in my cart
  • [00:41:41] <mrpackethead> :-(
  • [00:42:02] <Shadyman> Yikes
  • [00:42:09] <Shadyman> building a new car cape? :x
  • [00:42:56] <Shadyman> mrpackethead: http://www.adafruit.com/products/706
  • [00:43:42] <mrpackethead> that might be a good start
  • [00:43:45] <mrpackethead> thanks.
  • [00:43:51] <Shadyman> yw
  • [00:48:58] <mrpackethead> shady: https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/601301_10151500185327661_571095031_n.jpg
  • [00:49:47] <Shadyman> BAM
  • [00:49:49] <Shadyman> Pretty.
  • [00:50:07] <Shadyman> motorized variable thingies?
  • [00:50:38] <Shadyman> Tubes?
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  • [00:55:01] <mrpackethead> DMX-512, Audio out, Real Time clock, and SMPTE Time code
  • [00:55:06] <Shadyman> :o
  • [00:55:09] <Shadyman> that's hot.
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  • [00:55:28] <mrpackethead> plus you'll stil have the header IO, so you can plug in another cape
  • [00:55:31] <mrpackethead> if you so desire.
  • [00:55:44] <Shadyman> I think you beat mine for compexity :x
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  • [00:56:10] <mrpackethead> i have 5 pcbs ( differnet proejcts )
  • [00:56:12] <mrpackethead> all arrived today
  • [00:56:14] <mrpackethead> :-(
  • [00:56:21] <Shadyman> of course
  • [00:56:35] <Shadyman> mrpackethead: Here's number 1 http://s37.beta.photobucket.com/user/MasterMWL/media/SDCape_zpsaf32f5e5.png.html?sort=3&o=0
  • [00:57:13] <mrpackethead> what are you doing with that?
  • [00:57:19] <Shadyman> dual mounting positions for SD cards
  • [00:57:29] <Shadyman> hopefully it doesn't short if mounted in the farther-in position
  • [00:57:35] <mrpackethead> two sd cards?
  • [00:57:38] <Shadyman> just one
  • [00:57:48] <mrpackethead> why do you need two?
  • [00:57:54] <mrpackethead> bit confused
  • [00:57:56] <Shadyman> but can be mounted flush with the PCB, or stick out
  • [00:58:03] <mrpackethead> ahh ok.
  • [00:58:36] <Shadyman> The more I think about it, though, the more I think the other set of contacts will just fuse themselves to the connector, grounding them all
  • [00:59:56] <Shadyman> I'll have to dig out an sd slot and measure its underside
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  • [01:56:18] <Shadyman> Niiiiiice. http://www.bgmicro.com/bat1087.aspx
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  • [04:44:38] <personofinterest> Hi
  • [04:44:52] <personofinterest> what resources are there for me to get started using RTOS on the beaglebone
  • [04:44:54] <personofinterest> ?
  • [04:45:10] <personofinterest> ideally would like to use some open source RTOS
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  • [04:55:34] * mranostay faceplams
  • [04:55:50] <ka6sox-farfarawa> heh
  • [04:57:38] <ka6sox-farfarawa> mranostay, I'm surprised it isn't Face->Floor...as early as we got up :P
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  • [04:58:49] <mranostay> no ##@$
  • [04:59:12] <ka6sox-farfarawa> *some* people are *just* getting up.
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  • [05:05:02] <mranostay> woot for not torching bridges btw :P
  • [05:07:18] <mranostay> ka6sox-farfarawa: so HDMI giving you hell still?
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  • [05:10:10] <personofinterest> Hi, what resources are there for me to get started using RTOS on the beaglebone?
  • [05:10:31] * mranostay scrolls up for the facepalm
  • [05:10:39] <mranostay> personofinterest: running RT linux?
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  • [05:11:03] <ka6sox-farfarawa> mranostay, since 6am(when we got off the first call) I've been working non Stop...
  • [05:11:18] <ka6sox-farfarawa> and you *know* how late it is here.
  • [05:12:05] <mranostay> ka6sox-farfarawa: wtf are you?
  • [05:12:20] <ka6sox-farfarawa> StuporMan?
  • [05:13:28] <ds2> ka6sox-farfarawa: are you using the datasheet?
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  • [05:13:41] <ka6sox-farfarawa> ds2, for what?
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  • [05:19:53] <personofinterest> RTLinux is fine
  • [05:20:00] <personofinterest> any type of linux would work
  • [05:20:06] <ka6sox-farfarawa> ta da!
  • [05:20:12] <personofinterest> or any type of rtos
  • [05:20:14] <ka6sox-farfarawa> but you asked for an RTOSD
  • [05:20:17] <ka6sox-farfarawa> -D
  • [05:20:26] <personofinterest> I just want to learn about RTOS and implement something on the bone.
  • [05:20:32] * mranostay does the ds2 dance
  • [05:21:07] <mrpackethead> personofinterest: jsut
  • [05:22:00] <personofinterest> jsut?
  • [05:22:09] <ka6sox-farfarawa> mranostay, I spent the day trying to figure out how to prevent people at this site I was working on from having FLKs
  • [05:22:26] <mrpackethead> you 'just' want to learn RTOS.. thats not a 'just' a small topic
  • [05:22:41] <personofinterest> gotta start some where
  • [05:22:47] <mranostay> whoa this Modelo is kicking in
  • [05:23:38] <ka6sox-farfarawa> no driving for you Young mranostay
  • [05:25:22] <mranostay> heh
  • [05:25:51] <ka6sox-farfarawa> I think I can now declare the site safe from radiation...
  • [05:29:18] <mranostay> wtf is ka6sox-farfarawa doing?
  • [05:30:25] <mrpackethead> getting headers for the beagle seems to be quite a challenge
  • [05:30:31] <mrpackethead> adafruit has some
  • [05:30:33] <mrpackethead> "19"
  • [05:30:41] <mrpackethead> for about $5 each
  • [05:30:41] <personofinterest> interesting people are really helpful right now D:
  • [05:31:01] <ka6sox-farfarawa> mranostay, he is wishing he was asleep instead of getting ready to drive down into the fog
  • [05:31:09] <mrpackethead> personofinterest: what kind of creature are you?
  • [05:31:19] <ka6sox-farfarawa> personofinterest, I've been up and working for 16+hrs today...
  • [05:31:30] <mrpackethead> one of the first thigns in #beagle is to work out if you are tasty
  • [05:31:36] <ka6sox-farfarawa> ya
  • [05:32:21] <mranostay> ka6sox-farfarawa: working on 'side projects'
  • [05:32:42] <ka6sox-farfarawa> mranostay, only 1.5hrs of that..the rest has been work work.
  • [05:32:54] <mranostay> ka6sox-farfarawa: need a hug?
  • [05:32:59] <ka6sox-farfarawa> ya
  • [05:33:32] <personofinterest> I don't want to get into fight or anything, but if your working 16 hr why are you on an irc chat?
  • [05:34:19] <mrpackethead> fight.. fight.. fight...
  • [05:34:51] <ka6sox-farfarawa> because I am waiting for the guy to finish inputting the data into the application and do a final run so I can declare we have a winner! ding ding ding
  • [05:35:27] <mrpackethead> and how would we know if you are tasty... precious...
  • [05:35:32] <mrpackethead> watch out for trolls
  • [05:36:02] <ka6sox-farfarawa> they steal your socks
  • [05:36:14] <_av500_> what with all the epic nicks these days?
  • [05:36:33] <ka6sox-farfarawa> _av500_, you don't like?
  • [05:36:33] <_av500_> do you all have unlimited internet or what?
  • [05:36:41] <ka6sox-farfarawa> tab completion FTW
  • [05:36:43] <mrpackethead> whats the internet
  • [05:37:02] <_av500_> ka6sox-farfarawa: its not about tab completion
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  • [05:38:18] <ka6sox-farfarawa> awwwww..now we will never know
  • [05:38:26] <_av500_> :)
  • [05:38:32] <mrpackethead> alright, trolls, this hobbit has take his dog for a walk
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  • [05:41:11] <ds2> ka6sox-farfarawa: for the HDMI chip youare working on
  • [05:42:03] <ka6sox-farfarawa> this is a LOT less about that chip and a LOT more about getting things into shape for DT.
  • [05:43:18] <ds2> ok
  • [05:47:41] <ka6sox-farfarawa> mranostay, I'm afraid your cape is tuned to the wrong frequency for me...
  • [05:48:23] <mranostay> crap it is a _av500_mort
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  • [06:02:49] <ka6sox-farfarawa> morning lyakh
  • [06:03:41] * mranostay shakes poms-poms
  • [06:09:28] <ka6sox-farfarawa> I guess I can sleep when I am DEADBEEF
  • [06:13:18] * mranostay shakes poms-poms for ka6sox-farfarawa
  • [06:14:08] <ka6sox-farfarawa> yay! we are finally down below 200uW/m!
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  • [06:14:43] <ka6sox-farfarawa> or 163ma/M flux
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  • [06:18:11] <lyakh> ka6sox-farfarawa: morning
  • [06:24:00] <thurbad> finally... got ogre running in fb0 on 3530 board :) now I can sleep
  • [06:25:24] <ka6sox-farfarawa> thurbad, you can sleep when you are dead....
  • [06:25:38] <thurbad> yeah,,, then too
  • [06:27:18] <Shadyman> Holy crap, they've dropped in price.
  • [06:27:19] <Shadyman> http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/M41T93SMY6F/497-6890-1-ND/1880268
  • [06:27:23] <Shadyman> Best. RTC. EVAR.
  • [06:27:47] <Shadyman> it has its 32.768khz crystal onboard
  • [06:28:38] <Shadyman> that's the canadian price, even. US is $5.24 in singles
  • [06:30:21] <ka6sox-farfarawa> Shadyman, cheer down...you will wake up the dead.
  • [06:30:44] <Shadyman> ka6sox-farfarawa: At least I was loud enough if you could hear me from far far away
  • [06:34:17] <ka6sox-farfarawa> :)
  • [06:36:15] <ds2> too many pins
  • [06:37:09] <ka6sox-farfarawa> 7.5mm 18pin SOIC isn't *too* bad
  • [06:38:00] <ds2> I much rather use the QFN16
  • [06:38:13] <ds2> but it is SPI
  • [06:38:25] <ds2> don't have spi ports to burn
  • [06:39:25] <ds2> getting to really like QFNs
  • [06:39:56] <ka6sox-farfarawa> ds2, I can barely deal with QFN's..we did some drivers that were QFNs recently...25% load error
  • [06:40:36] <ds2> ka6sox-farfarawa: how are you mounting them?
  • [06:40:49] <ds2> so far I been getting 100% on them
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  • [06:42:24] <ka6sox-farfarawa> we had a screen and used that for paste..then manually placing :P
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  • [06:43:50] <ds2> hot air? iron? oven?
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  • [06:45:16] <ka6sox-farfarawa> oven
  • [06:45:50] <ds2> I see
  • [06:46:03] <ds2> hot air + wire solder so far has been 100%
  • [06:46:25] <ds2> but I do flux it a lot. could it be the oven is uneven?
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  • [06:48:09] <ka6sox-farfarawa> more likely uneven paste
  • [06:48:29] <ds2> more uneven then hand application of wire solder?
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  • [06:52:09] <ka6sox-farfarawa> ds2, I think too much and bridging
  • [06:52:51] <ds2> oh
  • [06:53:07] <ds2> guess I won't be trying out paste soon then
  • [06:53:22] <mru> moaning
  • [06:53:40] <av500> +1
  • [06:55:21] <ka6sox-farfarawa> okay Ron, starting a 700GB run @540Mb/s
  • [06:55:34] <ka6sox-farfarawa> focus follow eyes.
  • [06:59:48] <aholler> what is awa?
  • [07:00:13] <ka6sox-farfarawa> +y
  • [07:00:36] <ka6sox-farfarawa> right now I'm 1.3km UP
  • [07:01:04] <mrpackethead> QFN' are not so bad
  • [07:01:22] <ka6sox-farfarawa> mrpackethead, I'm going to use one for my next project...
  • [07:01:32] <aholler> what is UP?
  • [07:01:38] <mrpackethead> what makes that RTC the best?
  • [07:01:56] <ka6sox-farfarawa> aholler, above sea level.
  • [07:02:56] <aholler> doesn't sound much, are you from the netherlands?
  • [07:03:15] <mrpackethead> is it temp compensated?
  • [07:03:26] <ka6sox-farfarawa> no, but the surrounding land is @ sea level (or maybe 10m)
  • [07:04:40] <dm8tbr> moaning
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  • [07:05:31] <ka6sox-farfarawa> mranostay, it is DGPS corrected.
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  • [07:05:49] <Shadyman> :D
  • [07:05:49] <ka6sox-farfarawa> whoops... mrpackethead its DGPS corrected.
  • [07:06:08] <mrpackethead> what is DGPS?
  • [07:06:17] <ka6sox-farfarawa> Differential GPS
  • [07:06:30] <mrpackethead> mmm
  • [07:06:37] <Shadyman> Though, what's a cheap DGPS receiver go for?
  • [07:07:01] <Shadyman> There's the NEO-6M you can get for ~$10, but it needs some supporting electronics still
  • [07:07:03] <mru> don't think they're ever cheap
  • [07:07:17] <ka6sox-farfarawa> dunno, this one is $2000 (of course the Rubidium standard that goes with it helps increase the cost)
  • [07:07:23] <Shadyman> ^
  • [07:07:30] <mrpackethead> so, you are reseting the RTC against GPS time
  • [07:08:10] <mrpackethead> but the RTC itself does nto have a DGPS
  • [07:08:14] <mrpackethead> thats external is'nt it
  • [07:08:27] <Shadyman> Hmm, I wonder. Can you synchronize time over bluetooth?
  • [07:08:40] <ka6sox-farfarawa> I'm displining the oscillator to have the wavefronts be in sync with the next station up the line
  • [07:08:53] <Shadyman> I mean, sure, you can just send a serial string, but curious whether there's a standard for it
  • [07:09:05] <aholler> hid
  • [07:09:37] <Shadyman> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14159373/find-date-and-time-of-other-devices-using-bluetooth :/
  • [07:10:05] <Shadyman> hmm
  • [07:10:11] <mrpackethead> i'm being much more boring
  • [07:10:16] <mrpackethead> and using a DS1339
  • [07:10:18] <mrpackethead> on my new cape
  • [07:10:25] <Shadyman> mrpackethead: Oh, you.
  • [07:10:54] <Shadyman> mrpackethead: You could be lazy and just drop a header in for one of these: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/281016584042?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619
  • [07:11:13] <ynezz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_clock
  • [07:11:20] <mrpackethead> yes, but thats more work than doing it proerly
  • [07:11:28] <Shadyman> true
  • [07:11:33] <mrpackethead> my mouser order today was almost $2000
  • [07:11:42] <Shadyman> mrpackethead: Winning!
  • [07:11:43] <mrpackethead> that was just various bits for proto projects
  • [07:11:59] <Shadyman> ynezz: That's one way.
  • [07:12:05] <ynezz> the cheapest solution probably
  • [07:13:03] <Shadyman> I could always drop in a $20 Wiz820io ethernet module and just use that to get NTP time
  • [07:13:57] <mrpackethead> if your device is connected
  • [07:14:00] <ka6sox-farfarawa> ynezz, we are doing this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_clock#GPS_clocks
  • [07:14:09] <mrpackethead> which i can not guarrentee!
  • [07:14:29] <Shadyman> www.ebay.ca/itm/MSF-Atomic-Clock-Receiver-Module-Rugby-Atomic-Clock-/230928764521
  • [07:14:51] <Shadyman> mrpackethead: Hence the RTC? :)
  • [07:15:11] <mrpackethead> yes
  • [07:18:10] <ynezz> Shadyman: ok, if you've internet available, why would you use GPS?
  • [07:18:44] <mrpackethead> bcause you woudl almost certianl get more accurate time from the GPS
  • [07:18:48] <Shadyman> ynezz: Well, not necessarily available. I'm not going to be running ethernet over to my nightstand.
  • [07:18:54] <Shadyman> and that.
  • [07:19:08] <ka6sox-farfarawa> NTP is not really good for syncronizing events...
  • [07:19:30] <mrpackethead> even a cheap GPS with PPS and NMEA output will do much better than NTP
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  • [07:19:40] <ka6sox-farfarawa> close enough for "logs" but not for any serious work.
  • [07:19:41] <mrpackethead> NTP is just convienet for a raft of servers
  • [07:19:50] <mrpackethead> yes, for logging
  • [07:19:56] <mrpackethead> and datasbases
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  • [07:20:09] <Shadyman> mrpackethead: But would PPS output even without a GPS lock?
  • [07:20:18] <ka6sox-farfarawa> my data would be destroyed with that kind of accuracy.
  • [07:20:30] <Shadyman> ka6sox-farfarawa: Kill ALL the dataz!
  • [07:21:24] <ds2> how's the DGPS coverage thesedays? (excluding WAAS)
  • [07:21:35] <ka6sox-farfarawa> sucky
  • [07:22:11] <ds2> wahat about including WAAS?
  • [07:22:22] <ka6sox-farfarawa> close enough for approaches.
  • [07:22:46] <ynezz> ka6sox-farfarawa: hm, but how does the GPS clock performs inside the buildings? dcf77 works quite well
  • [07:23:12] <ka6sox-farfarawa> ynezz, the receiver is outside and has a cable only for data and power.
  • [07:23:34] <ynezz> so cable galore
  • [07:23:48] <ka6sox-farfarawa> up to 300m but then there is clock skew.
  • [07:24:02] <ds2> just get a cesium clock
  • [07:24:06] <ynezz> what the hell are you measuring?
  • [07:24:16] <Shadyman> hehe
  • [07:24:18] <ka6sox-farfarawa> ds2, we use rubidium
  • [07:24:35] <ka6sox-farfarawa> I could get a fountain clock..but don't have the space.
  • [07:24:49] <ds2> ka6sox-farfarawa: how physically large is a rubidium clock?
  • [07:24:56] <ds2> never seen it in person
  • [07:25:11] <ka6sox-farfarawa> 2X2X5"
  • [07:25:12] <Shadyman> IIRC it's a server-rack type thing. 1U? 2U?
  • [07:25:18] <Shadyman> ah, nevermind.
  • [07:25:29] <ds2> nice
  • [07:26:49] <ka6sox-farfarawa> the box its in is a bit bigger
  • [07:27:21] <Shadyman> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhwbxEfy7fg
  • [07:27:39] <Shadyman> obligatory Dick-in-a-Box SNL skit.
  • [07:27:52] <ka6sox-farfarawa> sucker runs quite hot.
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  • [07:28:33] <aholler> dig a hole for the clock
  • [07:28:36] <ka6sox-farfarawa> okay this is going to run all night...and I need sleep.
  • [07:28:58] <Shadyman> g'nite
  • [07:29:58] <ka6sox-farfarawa> okay the constellation looks good and I am outta here.
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  • [07:30:35] <ynezz> mrpackethead: what cape are you cooking?
  • [07:32:57] <av500> btw: http://datenkrake.org/
  • [07:35:30] <aholler> sounds interessting
  • [07:35:53] <ynezz> yummy, I like RJ-45
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  • [07:37:27] <ynezz> is it possible to follow someone on twitter with g+?
  • [07:38:28] <av500> nope
  • [07:38:42] <av500> you can get an RSS feed though
  • [07:39:13] <ynezz> but they've killed greader, so this is not an option :)
  • [07:39:29] <av500> right
  • [07:40:14] <mrpackethead> rj-45 ucks
  • [07:40:22] <av500> aholler: what does it do?
  • [07:40:27] <ynezz> I'll delete the G+ also probably, since they could nuke it next spring
  • [07:40:37] <aholler> av500: sounds like ols
  • [07:41:34] <aholler> but I don't know, depends on what sw will be available
  • [07:42:09] <dm8tbr> maybe they'll add rss support to g+?
  • [07:42:32] <aholler> if find bus pirate, ols and all that stuff only interesting because of the readily available sw ;)
  • [07:44:35] <aholler> but I assume they use the datenkrake to attack the ps3 or similiar
  • [07:45:06] <dm8tbr> ah av500 mentioned datenkrake already :)
  • [07:45:45] * dm8tbr wonders if it will be banned by regimes and their hacker legislation...
  • [07:46:22] <aholler> banning fpgas?
  • [07:46:46] <dm8tbr> or the software on them
  • [07:47:15] <dm8tbr> think germany's anti hacker software law
  • [07:47:33] <aholler> define hacker
  • [07:47:45] <aholler> dumb law
  • [07:48:23] <aholler> the are all security researchers
  • [07:48:40] <aholler> +y
  • [07:49:38] <dm8tbr> we know that, for govts it all looks like nails that they can wield their only tool at, a hammer
  • [07:52:21] <aholler> nist got hacked ;)
  • [07:53:28] <aholler> the server was a windows box
  • [07:53:29] <dm8tbr> but at least they noticed quickly
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  • [08:00:03] <aholler> reminds me at those military simulators and drone cockpits which got infected ;)
  • [08:05:48] <av500> hmm, this Model M needs to get used too
  • [08:05:54] <av500> it's sitffer
  • [08:05:59] <av500> stiffer even
  • [08:06:59] <aholler> let it get infected and become a malware throwing thingy, whatever model m is ;)
  • [08:07:33] <av500> I doubt you can infect the chip inside an ibm keyboard from the 80s
  • [08:07:49] <aholler> that was done
  • [08:08:51] <ka6sox-away> ya, thats easy
  • [08:09:19] <av500> infect me then :)
  • [08:09:20] <aholler> I think I've seen a video from 28c3 where someone did that
  • [08:10:36] <aholler> he infected the keyboard-chip inside a thinkpad
  • [08:12:59] <mrpackethead> why is it so difficult to just go on line and book some airfares around the world
  • [08:13:06] <av500> hmm, two Ms from 1988, one is ST, the other is Motorola
  • [08:13:30] <koen> no TI?
  • [08:14:15] <av500> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_6805
  • [08:15:33] <av500> I guess its ROM'ed inside the Model M
  • [08:17:13] <aholler> uefi will make such much easier, it offers a standardized api ;)
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  • [08:18:44] <aholler> I'm awaiting a password-app which stores them in uefi-vars.
  • [08:19:08] <av500> please, uefi is awesome
  • [08:19:12] <av500> so is secure boot
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  • [08:20:24] <av500> this channel is filling up with bots
  • [08:20:46] <av500> koen: cant it stay in the channel?
  • [08:20:58] <aholler> bigbeaglebrother
  • [08:20:59] <aholler> s
  • [08:27:10] <aholler> hmm, theres a cc2560 inside the pebble
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  • [08:28:12] <mrpackethead> anyone been to sweededn/norway
  • [08:28:31] <av500> mru has
  • [08:30:43] <ynezz> it's cold there
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  • [08:33:04] <mru> indeed
  • [08:33:07] <mru> x2
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  • [08:37:33] <aholler> here too, but it looks like it might become better: http://imagebin.org/250348
  • [08:41:20] <KotH> ynezz: usians often use GPS for clocks, because the coverage of WWVB is much worse than DCF77 or Allouis
  • [08:42:31] <mrpackethead> what did people use before GPS
  • [08:42:54] <KotH> ynezz: not to mention that not-using some phase modulation and simply relying on amplitude modulation makes it not easy to do high precision sync
  • [08:43:27] <KotH> mrpackethead: GPS has been around for ages... high precision time transfere was not much of an issue when GPS was introduced
  • [08:43:53] <mrpackethead> you did'nt answer the question though
  • [08:43:54] <KotH> mrpackethead: but alternative systems are WWVB/DCF77/MFP..., Loran and the like
  • [08:43:55] <mrpackethead> :-)
  • [08:44:13] <mrpackethead> sand glass
  • [08:44:14] <mrpackethead> :-)
  • [08:44:18] <aholler> are there some datas available about how often the gps-time was fooled?
  • [08:44:21] <KotH> and for those, that need ultimate precision, it's two way satelite time transfere :)
  • [08:44:37] <KotH> aholler: fooled?
  • [08:44:42] <mrpackethead> whats a couple of a few seconds
  • [08:44:43] <mrpackethead> :-)
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  • [08:45:19] <aholler> it's under control of the military
  • [08:45:21] <mru> mrpackethead: enough to screw things up badly
  • [08:45:49] <mrpackethead> only if you do serious stuff
  • [08:46:01] <mrpackethead> my life is about thing where if we get it wrong, no one dies
  • [08:48:33] <KotH> aholler: afaik, the Y signal was not even encrypted in the first years. and since 2000-something the C/A signal is not degraded anymore
  • [08:49:00] <KotH> aholler: also, these days GPS is important enough that the military cannot just switch it off anymore
  • [08:49:19] <aholler> in god we trust
  • [08:49:27] <KotH> aholler: quite a bit of the cellular network would fall apart
  • [08:49:33] <KotH> juup
  • [08:49:55] <aholler> I remember that they did that
  • [08:50:37] <KotH> aholler: interestingly: although the military can switch off the civilian signals selectively for certain regions, they never did in iraq or afghanistan... because they had too few military gps receivers and thus had to rely on civilian receivers :)
  • [08:51:08] <KotH> but yes. there are people who dont trust gps too much
  • [08:51:15] <mrpackethead> KotH: thats what they tell you
  • [08:51:21] <KotH> e.g. the us coast guard is trying to revive loran-C
  • [08:51:41] <KotH> (after they dismanteled all transmitters just 3 years ago)
  • [08:52:53] <mrpackethead> but i know that in Basrah, 6 months after the invasion, GPS worked just fine.
  • [08:53:09] <mrpackethead> Basra.
  • [08:53:47] <av500> apple will introduce iWatch soon
  • [08:53:53] <av500> then all your time issues are solved
  • [08:54:01] <av500> if its anything like apple maps :)
  • [08:54:03] <KotH> av500: they already did, and got sued by the swiss railways ;)
  • [08:54:04] <mrpackethead> when going from Kuwait to Basra, why do you have to travel at 140km/hr
  • [08:54:21] <aholler> I think gps has problems with broken satelites without replacements
  • [08:54:25] <mrpackethead> because RPG's go 130
  • [08:54:58] <KotH> aholler: there are IIRC 4 replacement satelites in orbit
  • [08:55:20] <mrpackethead> can't be too much in an GPS sat
  • [08:56:32] <aholler> thats why galileo takes that long ;)
  • [08:57:18] <KotH> actually, the galileo satelites are quite a bit more complex than the newest gps birds :)
  • [08:57:36] <mrpackethead> beagle-sat
  • [08:57:48] <KotH> and also getting threatened by usians to get shot down if they implent their superior navigation system doesnt help either
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  • [09:00:56] <av500> KotH: only by accident
  • [09:00:58] <av500> oops...
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  • [09:02:02] <aholler> anyway the russians and chinese are having alternatives too.
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  • [09:03:19] <aholler> doesn't have the i* already a chip which is able to use glonass?
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  • [09:04:07] <mrpackethead> iwatch wont' ahppening
  • [09:04:21] <mrpackethead> unless you can put iphone in iwatch
  • [09:04:36] <aholler> it's a carplet
  • [09:04:54] <aholler> a true fanbois will need both
  • [09:05:50] <KotH> aholler: glonas is not fully operational atm, but the russians are working on it. the chinese system is china only and not intended for global use, similar as the japanese sysstem that is japanese only
  • [09:06:54] <aholler> plenty of time around
  • [09:07:06] <mrpackethead> i'm building a system that will let me navigate from the ktichen to the living room
  • [09:07:38] * aholler suggest remote controllable bulbs
  • [09:07:54] <aholler> you just need a phone to turn them on
  • [09:08:00] <keesj> sounds like something humans can do
  • [09:09:26] <mru> mrpackethead: mine are adjoined with no wall
  • [09:09:49] <mru> keeps things simple
  • [09:10:00] <aholler> get a portabple microwave, problem solved
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  • [09:12:33] <aholler> or a rice cooker with android ;)
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  • [09:13:11] <mrpackethead> aholler: you get my world
  • [09:13:24] <mrpackethead> no need to do hard stuff
  • [09:13:31] <mrpackethead> when theres easy stuff that makes children happy to do
  • [09:13:32] <mrpackethead> :)
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  • [10:14:55] <panto> hello
  • [10:21:36] <KotH> hey greek!
  • [10:21:45] <panto> hey turk!
  • [10:23:42] <av500> hey coffee drinkers
  • [10:23:47] <panto> amen!
  • [10:23:55] <panto> all praise coffee
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  • [10:26:37] <LetoThe2nd> all hail jesus frankenstein.
  • [10:27:41] * KotH praises the coffee
  • [10:27:55] <KotH> .o0(while drinking an prince of wales)
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  • [10:37:07] <IHK-Justas> Hej guys, was somebody booting up a script for user button in angstrom? (beagleboard-xm) I need some help
  • [10:37:33] <av500> dont ask to ask, just ask
  • [10:37:51] <KotH> av500: he didnt ask to ask, he just stated that he needs help
  • [10:37:58] <mru> office coffee sucks
  • [10:38:06] <av500> mru: not here
  • [10:38:10] <IHK-Justas> he he :)) I cannot find a way to boot it up, because what I found does not work
  • [10:38:18] <KotH> you've coffee at work???
  • [10:38:29] * av500 has
  • [10:38:39] <IHK-Justas> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11152657/angstrom-start-up-processes-beaglebone
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  • [10:38:57] <IHK-Justas> I was trying this, but my angstrom does not have such folder at all
  • [10:39:04] <IHK-Justas> So I am kinda confused
  • [10:39:09] <av500> then it might be older
  • [10:39:17] <av500> define "my angstrom"
  • [10:40:09] <mru> KotH: you don't?!
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  • [10:40:26] <IHK-Justas> 2.6.32
  • [10:41:45] <IHK-Justas> to be precise, what uname -mrs gives: Linux 2.6.32 armv7l
  • [10:42:03] <av500> right
  • [10:42:07] <av500> so you have an old angstrom
  • [10:42:11] <av500> that is not systemd
  • [10:42:20] <av500> to which the above would apply
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  • [10:43:17] <Jacmet> hmm, did ondemand break in 3.8? It seems to be stuck at the lowest freq even when builidng kernels :/
  • [10:43:57] <av500> hmm, all my 4 cores rev up nicely when building kernels....
  • [10:44:30] <IHK-Justas> av500, do you know the correct way to boot up script (as I cannot change version because it is provided by university )
  • [10:44:49] <av500> older angstrom is sysinit based
  • [10:44:56] <av500> add it to rc-local or so
  • [10:45:03] <IHK-Justas> okay, thanks :)
  • [10:45:58] <Jacmet> av500: it used to do here as well, but apparently not with 3.8
  • [10:46:37] <av500> Linux tux2 2.6.27.56-0.1-pae #1 SMP 2010-12-01 16:57:58 +0100 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
  • [10:46:38] <av500> :)
  • [10:46:42] <Jacmet> av500: during a kernel build it's only spending ~5% in c0, and at ~800MHz
  • [10:46:45] <Jacmet> heh
  • [10:47:01] <Jacmet> oh well, performance it is instead then
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  • [10:48:34] <KotH> mru: we get a brown liquid, if you mean that... but i wouldnt call it coffee
  • [10:48:47] <mru> ah, I see
  • [10:49:24] <KotH> you might not believe it, but i'm more picky with coffee than with chocolate :)
  • [10:49:36] <mru> I didn't know that was possible
  • [10:50:23] * KotH makes the impossible possible
  • [10:51:07] <bpetersen> I am new to pull up resistors. I am trying to use the BeagleBone to write to an EEPROM device (it requires a pull up resistor). The pull up resistor is connected from EEPROM input to Vdd. If I connect a GPIO to the EEPROM input, will it be damaged?
  • [10:51:33] <bpetersen> the GPIO is not (5V tolerant)
  • [10:52:05] <KotH> depends on what voltage Vdd has
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  • [10:52:14] <KotH> and the size of the resistor
  • [10:52:27] <KotH> and its resistance
  • [10:52:28] <mru> and how lucky you are
  • [10:52:46] <KotH> i thought you didnt believe in luck?
  • [10:52:56] <mru> I don't
  • [10:53:05] <mru> nevertheless some things depend on it
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  • [10:53:25] <KotH> but you believe in misfortune?
  • [10:53:43] <mru> not falling in that trap
  • [10:54:12] <KotH> damn!
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  • [10:54:15] <bpetersen> Pull Up Resistor = 1k , Vdd = 5V
  • [10:54:31] <KotH> bpetersen: in short: dont
  • [10:54:34] <bpetersen> The EEPROM is Maxim integrated DS24B33
  • [10:54:51] <bpetersen> how do I make it work then?
  • [10:55:05] <KotH> bpetersen: in long: it is probably safe, but you rely on the protection diodes on the pin to protect it and drive it constantly with about 2mA, which isnt something these diodes like
  • [10:55:22] <KotH> why do you need a pull up in the first place?
  • [10:55:32] <KotH> why dont you have an EE guy at hand that tells you that stuff?
  • [10:55:39] <KotH> and where is my pizza?
  • [10:56:16] <bpetersen> Thats what the data sheet says; This EEPROM uses a 1-wire protocol and it leeches power from that (there is no power pin)
  • [10:56:35] <KotH> why is the eeprom running at 5V?
  • [10:56:43] <KotH> and not at 3.3V like the rest of the circuit?
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  • [10:57:17] * KotH doubt the system works when you drive it from a 3.3V system while it is powered from 5V
  • [10:57:21] <bpetersen> :) you made my day haha
  • [10:57:36] <bpetersen> it can work at 3.3V, i didnt realize it
  • [10:57:48] <bpetersen> I always associate 5V with Vdd
  • [10:57:51] <mru> KotH: depends on the logic levels it uses
  • [10:57:53] <KotH> RTFD... as usual
  • [10:58:01] <mru> many 5V devices will accept 3.3V logic levels
  • [10:58:11] <KotH> mru: it's most likely a cmos circuit, where the logic levels scale with operting voltage
  • [10:58:24] <mru> there's still a threshold somewhere
  • [10:58:26] <KotH> unless otherwise specified
  • [10:58:44] <mru> if that's well below what you're driving with as 'high', it'll work
  • [10:59:11] <mru> usually a logic high is well under half the supply voltage
  • [10:59:12] <KotH> yes, the threshold of modern cmos processes is usually somewhere around 1 to 1.5V, but that's not the switch over woltage
  • [10:59:45] <mru> I didn't say it's a good idea
  • [10:59:50] <mru> but it can work
  • [10:59:55] <KotH> actually, it's a bad idea in most cases ;)
  • [11:00:07] <mru> most things are
  • [11:00:32] <KotH> driving a cmos circuit between V_LH and V_HL is a good way to destroy them
  • [11:01:51] <KotH> (both n and p channel fet will then be conducting...)
  • [11:02:07] <mru> that does sound bad
  • [11:02:28] <KotH> juup it is
  • [11:04:18] <av500> sounds like fun
  • [11:04:26] <mru> smoke signals ftw
  • [11:04:42] * KotH has heard rumors on how this looks when Vdd is 1kV
  • [11:05:08] <mru> I've seen plenty of circuits fried by 1kV
  • [11:05:17] <mru> if you're lucky you can tell how many pins they had
  • [11:07:34] * KotH is once again stuck with a simple programming problem...
  • [11:07:43] <KotH> someday, i should learn how to write code
  • [11:08:02] <mru> meanwhile, feel free to pay me to do it :)
  • [11:08:20] <KotH> mru: my offer still stands :)
  • [11:08:28] <mru> forms of payment negotiable
  • [11:08:39] <KotH> chocolate? ;)
  • [11:08:49] <ynezz> here's a 20% discount coupon for Lidl
  • [11:09:04] <mru> ynezz: are you trying to start a war?
  • [11:09:51] <KotH> no, trying to get shot with bullets made of dark chocolate
  • [11:11:43] <janne> how do you accelerate bullets of dark chocolate without melting?
  • [11:11:55] <mru> with dark energy
  • [11:11:58] <ynezz> beer can do that
  • [11:13:36] <av500> gravity too
  • [11:14:03] <mru> relative to a lot of things, all known chocolate is _already_ moving at high speed
  • [11:16:26] <KotH> especially its disapearing velocity is very high
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  • [11:20:09] <av500> ...???being South African and likeable are seldom good bedfellows. Yeah he???s bit of a chippy tit, but at least he hasn???t shot his girlfriend while she was taking a piss recently???.
  • [11:20:40] <mru> I've met several nice people from SA
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  • [11:23:08] <KotH> did they shot their gf while she was taking a piss?
  • [11:23:14] <mru> although a friend of mine insists her south african mother-in-law is a right bitch
  • [11:23:28] <mru> and she doesn't usually say that about people
  • [11:24:18] <av500> http://wtflinux.wordpress.com/
  • [11:25:02] <mru> nice theme
  • [11:25:15] <av500> the opensuse articel is hilarious
  • [11:25:21] <av500> even has a token greek
  • [11:25:28] <mru> panto?
  • [11:25:43] <mru> no, that can't be panto
  • [11:25:45] <mru> too much hair
  • [11:26:06] <panto> what?
  • [11:26:40] <av500> ...There was also a ???Chill-out??? zone with comfortable seating (incredibly hard sofas with ergonomic lumbar supports) and a Greek bloke gaffa taped to a chair that party goers could beat the shit out of....
  • [11:27:30] <panto> dunno, I'm not that easy to get my ass kicked
  • [11:27:48] <mru> panto: as I said, can't be you
  • [11:27:53] <panto> although I admit using SuSE back in the days before the Novell mess
  • [11:29:32] <mru> that's some confession
  • [11:29:38] <aholler> http://ahsoftware.de/suse.jpg
  • [11:29:48] <av500> messie
  • [11:30:03] <koen> professional!
  • [11:30:17] <aholler> 6.1 runs on 386 without 387
  • [11:30:25] <aholler> have to conserve that
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  • [11:30:33] <av500> landfill
  • [11:32:02] <aholler> and 6.1 has a floppy to boot from ;)
  • [11:35:01] <aholler> the books in the boxes were very good.
  • [11:35:22] <aholler> many people here could need them ;)
  • [11:42:25] <aholler> a lot of except steps inside
  • [11:43:03] <aholler> uups, exact
  • [11:43:16] <av500> damn, newsblur is slow
  • [11:43:22] <av500> feedly is plain ugly
  • [11:43:26] * av500 is sad
  • [11:43:44] <mru> maybe something will turn up before the shutdown
  • [11:43:56] <av500> yeah
  • [11:43:59] <mru> otherwise we'll all have to go back to working
  • [11:44:04] <av500> damn
  • [11:44:05] <mru> and _that_ is a scary thought
  • [11:44:12] <av500> where will I get cat content from?
  • [11:44:45] <aholler> become a follower
  • [11:45:05] <av500> I am
  • [11:45:11] <av500> I follow RSS feeds
  • [11:45:25] <mru> rss feeds the troll
  • [11:45:31] <av500> :)
  • [11:46:52] <aholler> install kde and rssnow
  • [11:47:15] <mru> for just reading some rss, kde feels a bit bloated
  • [11:47:25] <av500> aholler: its not abourt reading RSS
  • [11:47:38] <av500> its about doing that synchronised over 5 devices
  • [11:47:40] <mru> I want something that syncs across devices
  • [11:47:45] <av500> yep
  • [11:47:53] <av500> newsblur android app sucks too
  • [11:48:10] <av500> and feedly does not even have a website
  • [11:48:16] <av500> it wants to install a borwser extension
  • [11:48:19] <av500> WTF?
  • [11:48:22] <av500> are they all on drugs?
  • [11:48:25] <mru> wtf
  • [11:48:29] <aholler> i receive rss on every device, no need to sync them
  • [11:48:30] <mru> back to the 90s!
  • [11:48:32] <av500> get feedly for chrome
  • [11:48:35] <av500> get feedly for FF
  • [11:48:48] <mru> aholler: sync the feeds and what's been read
  • [11:48:49] <av500> aholler: well, I like to sync what has been read
  • [11:49:17] <aholler> i should have added a ;)
  • [11:49:32] <aholler> ;)
  • [11:50:56] * dm8tbr wonders ho hard it would be to just merge rss feeds into one on a server
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  • [11:51:06] <dm8tbr> e.g using 'planet'
  • [11:51:38] <av500> what would that solve?
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  • [11:52:03] <mru> I want them turned into nntp
  • [11:52:04] <dm8tbr> one feed (from your own server) to subscribe to on all your devices
  • [11:52:17] <av500> that does not sync
  • [11:52:30] <dm8tbr> sync as in mark read?
  • [11:52:30] <av500> and I like to read "per feed"
  • [11:52:36] <av500> dm8tbr: yes
  • [11:52:39] <dm8tbr> ah, IC
  • [11:52:42] <av500> and "star" for laters
  • [11:52:53] <av500> which for readr meant "forever"
  • [11:53:18] <dm8tbr> mru: turning it into nntp shouldn't be too hard. quick and dirty would probably work using thunderbird and message rules
  • [11:53:39] <av500> dm8tbr: and how do I read that one the phone?
  • [11:53:50] <dm8tbr> mru asked for it
  • [11:53:55] <dm8tbr> so he'll know
  • [11:53:56] <mru> that's an orthogonal problem
  • [11:54:00] <av500> right
  • [11:54:06] <janne> mru: and how do you sync nntp over devices?
  • [11:54:15] <av500> [12:53:56] <mru> that's an orthogonal problem
  • [11:54:23] <av500> now we span 3 dimensions :)
  • [11:54:25] <janne> you could convert the to emails and store in imap
  • [11:54:39] <janne> +articles
  • [11:54:40] <mru> I don't want to store all that junk on my servers
  • [11:54:55] <av500> janne: I pondered doing that in gmail
  • [11:55:07] <av500> but then you need a mail reader that can show "folders with unread" only
  • [11:55:08] <janne> mru: ^^^
  • [11:55:25] <av500> and it would need to be a 2nd gmail account
  • [11:56:29] <av500> nah
  • [11:57:11] <aholler> must be painful to fear missing a news item
  • [11:57:24] <av500> no
  • [11:57:39] <av500> aholler: but I do not tell you how to organize your life
  • [11:57:44] <av500> so dont tellme
  • [11:57:49] <dm8tbr> av500: I just realized, how about bridging it simply to IMAP, there you have read/unread and can probably also tag somehow
  • [11:57:57] <av500> its like all the people now saying "RSS is dead use twitter"
  • [11:58:15] <av500> some blogs are like books
  • [11:58:21] <av500> you want to read every chapter
  • [11:58:24] <aholler> av500: i never did
  • [11:58:29] <av500> not what scrolls by by accident
  • [11:58:33] <dm8tbr> I think I'll try that concept out with my server
  • [11:58:43] <av500> dm8tbr: that can be done
  • [11:58:55] <av500> but you need a good mailer that can hide all unread folders
  • [11:59:02] <av500> instantly
  • [11:59:07] <dm8tbr> ack
  • [11:59:28] <av500> one could maybe hack on k9
  • [11:59:30] <dm8tbr> but that becomes a separate exercise :)
  • [11:59:34] <av500> into a speacial version
  • [12:00:07] <av500> but ::effort::
  • [12:01:13] <mru> k9 can already do selective display
  • [12:01:14] * dm8tbr likes the imap concept... really have to try that
  • [12:01:22] <mru> extending that to key on unread messages should be possible
  • [12:02:28] <av500> dm8tbr: yeah, imap came to my mind too
  • [12:03:49] <dm8tbr> esp. as I use thunderbird for rss-feeds anyway
  • [12:05:14] <aholler> switch to outlook.com as heise commenter suggest it
  • [12:06:02] <aholler> he now removes google from everything, like a miffed kid
  • [12:07:19] <av500> yep
  • [12:07:30] <ynezz> degoogle it!
  • [12:10:09] <dm8tbr> "vom regen in die traufe..."
  • [12:10:25] <av500> ripoff: http://www.ebay.de/itm/MSP430-LaunchPad-von-Texas-Instruments-MSP-EXP430G2-/151009147508?pt=Wissenschaftliche_Ger%C3%A4te&hash=item2328d8ba74
  • [12:10:32] <av500> its even the old one with the crap MSP
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  • [12:11:10] <ynezz> oh, it's almost like stock exchange
  • [12:11:24] <ynezz> you buy for $4.30 wait one year and sell for 6EUR :)
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  • [12:12:06] <av500> yep
  • [12:13:16] <ynezz> time to buy 1k or RPIs
  • [12:13:29] <ynezz> s/or/of/
  • [12:13:57] <ynezz> with bitbang-pro kit of course
  • [12:13:58] <aholler> rare pis
  • [12:14:31] <ynezz> and pack that mpeg decoder licence keygen with it
  • [12:14:42] <av500> lol
  • [12:14:48] <av500> food
  • [12:14:57] <ynezz> clear
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  • [12:35:47] <gqq> I built uboot for the bone using the latest sources from denx and codesourcery arm-none-eabi- but it hangs after "readenv() failed ...". Did someone produce a patch for this ?
  • [12:36:08] <mru> people are successfully using u-boot...
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  • [12:39:48] <gqq> yup, I copied the wrong MLO; sorry
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  • [13:12:57] <av500> we need more wriness: http://southerntelecom.com/polaroidsupport/firmware/1.jpg
  • [13:13:44] <mru> so if I back up, I lose the data?
  • [13:13:47] <mru> what if I don't?
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  • [13:14:18] <mru> now the real question is, is that an exact step?
  • [13:14:19] <ynezz> double data
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  • [13:15:20] <aholler> almost as good as my english ;)
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  • [13:39:05] <KotH> mru: i remember you rambling about the (over)use of volatile once. is the using of volatile in a struct blah { volatile uint32_t reg1; volatile uint32_t reg2}; where reg1 and reg2 are cpu registers the right way to use volatile?
  • [13:39:35] <mru> what does that mean?
  • [13:39:41] <av500> 80%
  • [13:40:10] <mru> are you accessing mmio stuff?
  • [13:40:26] <KotH> i have peripherials in a cpu (like uart, spi etc) and multiple of them. i would like to "abstract" the access using a struct which i use as the type of a pointer to access the right registers
  • [13:40:26] <mru> and said "cpu registers" in error...
  • [13:40:41] <KotH> er.. yes, mmio
  • [13:40:42] <KotH> sorry
  • [13:40:43] <mru> peripherals are per definition _not_ in the cpu...
  • [13:40:54] <mru> that's what makes them peripheral
  • [13:41:13] <mru> I don't like using structs like that at all, actually
  • [13:41:23] <KotH> what would you use instead?
  • [13:41:26] <mru> but some people do
  • [13:41:49] <mru> I don't remember what the C spec says about declaring struct members volatile
  • [13:42:02] <mru> but something about it feels fishy
  • [13:42:10] <av500> maybe add "static"
  • [13:42:11] * KotH is currently reading said specs
  • [13:42:29] <mru> you probably want to declare "volatile struct foo *bar" instead
  • [13:42:43] <mru> but that's only half the problem
  • [13:42:48] <mru> you still need memory barriers or similar
  • [13:43:05] <mru> depending on the architecture
  • [13:43:05] * KotH would hope the compiler would do that automagically ^^'
  • [13:43:08] <av500> on a PIC?
  • [13:43:19] <mru> compiler does _not ever_ insert barriers by itself
  • [13:43:33] <mru> certainly not in response to volatile alone
  • [13:43:46] <mru> because volatile does not by itself require them
  • [13:44:01] <av500> typedef volatile int vint
  • [13:44:11] <mru> stop ti
  • [13:44:12] <mru> it
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  • [13:45:04] <mru> where and what barriers are needed depends on what those regs are for and on the memory model of the cpu
  • [13:45:16] <mru> what cpu are we talking about?
  • [13:45:20] <panto> get rid of volatiles completely
  • [13:45:27] <panto> use explicit barriers
  • [13:45:31] <mru> +1
  • [13:45:43] <panto> wrap them in access macros/inline functions if need be
  • [13:45:56] <mdp> yes, stop TI
  • [13:46:05] <panto> volatile has stopped making sense for at least 10 years
  • [13:46:26] <mdp> it's no longer a volatile subject
  • [13:46:36] <KotH> .o0(which would mean, 90% of our low level code does it wrong)
  • [13:46:37] <panto> IIRC the only valid use for it, is for variables accessed by signal handlers + the main process
  • [13:46:38] <mru> volatile makes sense if you're modifying a global variable from a C signal handler and use it e.g. as exit condition in a loop
  • [13:46:40] <KotH> .o0(DAMN!)
  • [13:46:43] <mru> that's what it was meant for
  • [13:46:45] <panto> but even then, sparringly
  • [13:46:54] <panto> hehe :)
  • [13:47:02] <mru> even threads break it
  • [13:47:13] <panto> yeah, so to recap
  • [13:47:17] <mru> KotH: 90% of everything is crap
  • [13:47:25] <panto> volatile=bad (maybe OK for signal handlers)
  • [13:47:38] <mru> but signal handlers are mostly a bad idea anyway
  • [13:47:39] <KotH> mru: the other 10% are crap and known to be buggy
  • [13:47:52] <mru> the rule applies recursively
  • [13:47:54] <panto> ergo 100% of the world is crap
  • [13:47:57] <panto> lets go grab a beer
  • [13:48:01] <mdp> shopping!
  • [13:48:03] * KotH doesnt like beer
  • [13:48:11] * mru has seen KotH drink beer
  • [13:48:14] <mdp> chocolate
  • [13:48:15] <av500> KotH: trade it for chocolate
  • [13:48:16] <KotH> lies!
  • [13:48:23] <av500> ovomaltine
  • [13:48:25] <av500> or*
  • [13:48:42] <mdp> ovarytine
  • [13:48:48] <panto> you people are weird even by weird people standards...
  • [13:48:52] <panto> ((grouphug))
  • [13:49:12] <KotH> why? because mdp like ovarytine better than beer?
  • [13:49:26] <mdp> I like nothing better than beer
  • [13:49:34] <panto> *ovarriestime?
  • [13:49:44] <mru> mdp: I'll tell that to your wife...
  • [13:49:55] <mdp> hehe
  • [13:50:29] <mdp> she's long accepted my numerous quirks
  • [13:50:35] <mdp> or bugs, perhaps
  • [13:50:58] <mru> this sounds more like a quirk of hers...
  • [13:51:07] <mdp> she has no quirks
  • [13:51:13] <mdp> none of them have quirks
  • [13:51:14] <mru> and you still prefer beer?
  • [13:51:16] <mdp> ;)
  • [13:51:30] <mdp> I'm trapped
  • [13:51:34] <mdp> wait, what's the right answer?
  • [13:51:41] <mru> who said there is one?
  • [13:52:02] <mdp> this is like a conversation with her, in fact
  • [13:52:13] <mru> omg, he's married to an irc channel
  • [13:52:26] <KotH> mru: volatile struct blah; is equivalent of making all struct members volatile
  • [13:52:45] <mdp> mru, can DT help here?
  • [13:52:50] <panto> KotH, you place too much faith in the compiler
  • [13:52:56] <panto> and your memory subsystem
  • [13:53:07] * mru has _no_ faith in the compiler
  • [13:53:12] <KotH> panto: i'm currently working with an iar compiler... i've only faith i it failing misserably
  • [13:53:24] <panto> don't do it then
  • [13:53:27] <mru> aaaaaaiiiieeee
  • [13:53:30] <mdp> I have some faith in assemblers
  • [13:53:40] <mru> hex editors are usually ok
  • [13:53:41] <KotH> panto: i want to understand what i'm doing and why it is wrong
  • [13:53:42] <panto> I have some faith in the brewing process
  • [13:53:47] <mdp> +1
  • [13:54:36] * KotH curses half knowledge
  • [13:54:41] * KotH curses himself
  • [13:54:51] * av500 curses
  • [13:54:52] * KotH curses the world for being inperfect
  • [13:55:02] * av500 ncurses
  • [13:55:02] <mru> just like your spelling
  • [13:55:16] * panto termcaps
  • [13:55:18] <woglinde> some embedded compiler foo needs voilatile
  • [13:55:23] <KotH> mru: ^^'
  • [13:55:35] <KotH> mru: i've never said my english or my spelling is perfect
  • [13:55:36] <mru> woglinde: you only believe that
  • [13:55:47] <woglinde> mru I am not using it
  • [13:55:49] <mru> of course not
  • [13:55:51] <mdp> it's just purrfect
  • [13:55:54] <mru> woglinde: good
  • [13:56:01] * mru has faith in cats
  • [13:56:20] <panto> KotH, in a nutshell, for a modern SoC with re-ordering load/store memory subsystem, even volatile doesn't get you anything
  • [13:56:21] <woglinde> mru I am not using in java either
  • [13:56:28] <panto> (assuming the compiler respects it)
  • [13:56:31] <mru> woglinde: better
  • [13:56:51] <mdp> panto, where modern means some pretty old SoCs
  • [13:56:58] <panto> for low-end micros, sure, it might work for a while
  • [13:57:07] <panto> mdp, yeah, that's why I said 10y earlier
  • [13:57:10] <woglinde> but there is plenty use of it in classpath
  • [13:57:14] <mru> it only works because most compilers implement it conservatively
  • [13:57:17] <woglinde> and in the oracle jvm too
  • [13:57:36] <mru> a compiler implementing volatile strictly per spec would break a lot of code using it incorrectly
  • [13:57:38] <panto> the moment they try to make their crappy cpu faster, it's going to stop working
  • [13:57:44] <panto> mysteriously even
  • [13:57:47] <mdp> the solution is to work in java/python/ruby
  • [13:58:06] <av500> and js
  • [13:58:06] <woglinde> mdp even in java you only have very few use cases
  • [13:58:13] <mdp> then you can rely on even more s/w of dubious origins
  • [13:58:26] <mru> av500: no, jkridner isn't around
  • [13:58:34] * panto tries to remember last time he used volatile
  • [13:58:49] <panto> (for a signal handler, yesterday :) )
  • [13:58:56] <woglinde> panto haha
  • [13:59:05] <KotH> panto: yeah.. i slowly get that
  • [13:59:30] <KotH> according the the specs, volatile only protects me from being optimized out and being reordered
  • [13:59:34] <woglinde> koth erase voilatile from your knowledge
  • [13:59:39] <mru> KotH: it doesn't do that
  • [13:59:47] <KotH> (while not spelling out reordered means)
  • [13:59:49] * mdp tries to remember the last time he used explicit barriers....hrm...every day.
  • [13:59:56] <KotH> mru: ?
  • [14:00:05] <panto> afk for 10
  • [14:00:12] <mru> KotH: the memory system will reorder behind your back
  • [14:00:24] <KotH> oh.. right...
  • [14:00:24] <mru> volatile _might_ stop the compiler reordering things
  • [14:00:26] <mru> or not
  • [14:00:58] <mru> usually you care about the order of the 'volatile' access relative to normal things too
  • [14:01:05] <mru> not just volatile with itself
  • [14:01:11] * KotH suddnely feels glad for not working on systems with advanced memory systems
  • [14:01:35] <mru> even arm11 can screw you here
  • [14:01:45] <woglinde> powerpc and power
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  • [14:01:56] <mru> eieio
  • [14:02:09] <KotH> mru: hmm? arm11? i would have guessed arm9 would too?
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  • [14:02:10] <mdp> +1
  • [14:02:33] <mdp> it just goes to show that you have to grok the h/w
  • [14:02:48] * KotH currently doesnt grok anything
  • [14:03:08] <mru> ah yes, arm926 does have a write buffer
  • [14:03:13] <mdp> going one step further..if you don't get what posted writes versus delayed reads are in PCI(e) land..you are also screwed
  • [14:03:36] <mdp> and processor barriers don't help you there
  • [14:03:45] <mru> and to get your head spinning properly, read about the need for read barriers on alpha
  • [14:03:49] <mdp> but it's the same concept
  • [14:04:47] <mdp> KotH: this is one of many reasons I look on with amusement at the hope of making Linux as simple as Arduino..or stated efforts in that direction
  • [14:05:03] <KotH> mru: just to confuse me completly: cortex-m* does allow for read/write buffers?
  • [14:05:16] * mru checks
  • [14:05:44] <KotH> mdp: i have never tried arduino.. so i dont know how simple it is
  • [14:05:56] <KotH> mdp: and i dont understand what you mean by "making linux simple"
  • [14:06:41] <mru> yes, cortex-m3/4 have a write buffer
  • [14:06:52] <KotH> cool
  • [14:07:04] <mru> only single-entry though
  • [14:07:09] <mru> but a buffer nonetheless
  • [14:07:16] * KotH makes a note on having to rewrite the whole in-house arm framework
  • [14:07:31] <KotH> hmm? does it allow for reordering?
  • [14:08:03] <KotH> or is it just a "if you cannot write imediatly, keep it and write as soon as possible"-buffer?
  • [14:09:48] <KotH> mru: or let me ask the other way round: where in the ARM ARM do i find that info?
  • [14:10:11] <mru> in the armv7-m manual, section 3.7.2
  • [14:10:16] <KotH> domo!
  • [14:10:24] <mru> this is not the same as v7-a
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  • [14:11:11] <mru> short version: armv7-m allows some reordering
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  • [14:12:13] <mru> actual implementations probably don't reorder much if at all
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  • [14:18:13] <KotH> mru: i guess that's what saved us so far
  • [14:18:21] <KotH> otherwise the whole code would be broken
  • [14:18:33] <mru> that's frequently the case
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  • [14:24:44] <mranostay> morning!
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  • [14:25:07] <woglinde> gm voilatile mranostay
  • [14:25:10] <woglinde> *g+
  • [14:27:09] <mru> mranostay: you seem overly cheerful, is everything ok?
  • [14:27:24] <woglinde> its friday mru
  • [14:27:58] <mranostay> yes what woglinde said
  • [14:28:26] <av500> 2 dull weekend days ahead
  • [14:28:43] <mru> indeed
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  • [14:43:11] <mru> let's all troll Crofton
  • [14:43:29] <alan_o> Crofton: TROLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!
  • [14:43:46] <Crofton> heh
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  • [14:45:32] <av500> lets throw catfood at Crofton
  • [14:48:56] * Crofton wonders what he did
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  • [14:50:33] * mranostay find it funny Crofton thinks he has to do anything
  • [14:50:42] <mranostay> av500: wet or dry cat food?
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  • [14:50:51] <mru> mranostay: dead mice
  • [14:51:17] <ka6sox-away> mourning
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  • [14:53:25] <mranostay> ka6sox-away: TROOLLLOLLOLO!!
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  • [14:54:03] <av500> the channel has to many trolls lately
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  • [14:55:20] <mranostay> need some fresh meat in here
  • [14:55:25] <woglinde> troool
  • [14:55:32] <mranostay> woglinde: quiet you
  • [14:56:21] <ka6sox-away> maybe (after yesterday's marathon) today will be normal..
  • [14:56:35] <mranostay> heh
  • [14:57:10] <mru> normal trolling
  • [14:58:20] <ka6sox-away> something like that.
  • [14:58:53] <av500> TROLLCON level 4: light trolling in the afternoon
  • [15:00:42] <mranostay> ka6sox-away: turn that frown upside down
  • [15:00:53] <av500> mru: which ccs did you download for the 6678?
  • [15:00:59] <mru> 5.3
  • [15:01:02] * mranostay digs around for a hello kitty picture for ka6sox-away
  • [15:01:16] <mru> av500: that's the only one that even tries to work
  • [15:01:51] <ka6sox-away> mranostay, you be back quiet
  • [15:02:16] <mru> av500: it won't work with the config files supplied with the demo kits though
  • [15:02:29] <mru> thankfully it can generate config files that do work
  • [15:02:35] <av500> mru: just the free version?
  • [15:02:39] <mru> which makes me wonder what the config files are for in the first place
  • [15:02:51] <mru> av500: I did not pay for it
  • [15:03:15] <av500> I guessed that much
  • [15:03:18] <mru> CCS5.3.0.00090_linux.tar.gz
  • [15:03:37] <av500> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Download_CCS
  • [15:03:39] <av500> yeah
  • [15:03:46] <mru> sounds about right
  • [15:04:04] * av500 wonders what the "remeber me" checkbox on myti.com does
  • [15:04:14] <mru> not a lot
  • [15:04:24] <ka6sox-away> it never remembers me....hates me
  • [15:05:37] <av500> wtf export control for CCS?
  • [15:05:50] <av500> 1.4GB??
  • [15:05:52] <av500> wtf
  • [15:06:05] <av500> TI hates us all
  • [15:06:20] <ka6sox-away> Xilinx is 5GB
  • [15:06:24] <mru> it probably contains at least 6 copies of java
  • [15:06:30] <mranostay> av500: that could be a album title
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  • [15:07:05] <ka6sox-away> mru, only 6?
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  • [15:07:15] <av500> I bet this CCS will calsh with my MSP430 CCS :)
  • [15:07:16] <mru> ka6sox-away: for the minimal installation
  • [15:07:18] <av500> clash
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  • [15:07:38] <mru> it's actually quite common for these things to include one jre for the installer only, which then installs a few more for actual use
  • [15:07:58] <mru> I always install ccs in a sandbox as its own user
  • [15:08:01] <panto> you can never have enough jres!
  • [15:08:17] <mru> it tramples all over the place otherwise
  • [15:08:26] <mranostay> mru: reminds of crappy window apps that have all the dll's it needs. no matter if the system already has them
  • [15:08:28] <panto> instead of fixing the kind of crap that requires different jre's
  • [15:08:50] <mru> wasn't java supposed to be portable?
  • [15:08:51] <av500> mranostay: s/crappy/working/
  • [15:09:05] <av500> unless linux where 3moths old libs stop working
  • [15:09:09] <av500> +n
  • [15:09:18] <panto> av500, -static is your friend
  • [15:09:23] <av500> sure
  • [15:09:28] <av500> and LDPRELOAD
  • [15:09:35] <mru> bundling dlls is tolerable, installing them in windows\system32 is not
  • [15:09:50] <panto> Linus is an ass****, but at least he understands the importance of stable user-facing kernel APIs
  • [15:10:24] <panto> but, since this is just C, the static executable is not going to be 1.4G
  • [15:11:04] <mranostay> panto: #javaallthings
  • [15:11:29] <ka6sox-away> don't get me started about "javaallthings " :P
  • [15:11:43] <panto> boy, is life going to suck for all the java monkeys in few years when oracle/google ditches java
  • [15:11:58] * av500 install platinum edition on XP PC
  • [15:12:01] <av500> +s
  • [15:14:47] <ka6sox-away> panto, did you see that somone on the ML is using the mcasp drivers for 8 channel capture?
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  • [15:16:13] <panto> ka6sox-away, I totally understand
  • [15:16:25] <panto> I'm thinking of making a telephony/asterisk cape
  • [15:16:37] <ka6sox-away> asked him what kernel he was using
  • [15:16:41] <panto> is he doing voice?
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  • [15:16:56] <mranostay> ka6sox-away: a java hello kitty!
  • [15:17:04] <ka6sox-away> mranostay, hush
  • [15:17:14] <mranostay> check your G+ :)
  • [15:17:18] <ka6sox-away> nooooooo
  • [15:18:01] <mranostay> hehehe
  • [15:18:20] <ka6sox-away> panto, he is using ALSA so I dont' know if its voice or music.
  • [15:18:30] <panto> could be either
  • [15:18:50] <panto> but yeah, that's the kind of stuff customer will use mcasp
  • [15:19:00] <panto> the h/w can surely support it
  • [15:19:12] <panto> s/w on the other hand...
  • [15:19:37] <ka6sox-away> don't be running Node while doing that activity...
  • [15:19:38] <mranostay> panto: don't confuse us with your facts
  • [15:19:52] <panto> ka6sox-away, if he's doing voice, he's running asterisk
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  • [15:20:12] <panto> which I dislike for various reasons
  • [15:20:35] <ka6sox-away> usually the first app of its kind is not always the best
  • [15:20:42] <ka6sox-away> (one to throw away)
  • [15:20:58] <mranostay> ka6sox-away: asterisk on a bone?
  • [15:21:18] <ka6sox-away> unknown
  • [15:21:18] <woglinde> mranostay why not
  • [15:21:59] <mru> asterisk is weird
  • [15:23:14] <dm8tbr> uuh, crapsterisk
  • [15:23:22] <ka6sox-away> mru, telephony is wierd...been working with it for 35yrs...and its getting wierder by the day...
  • [15:23:33] * panto wrote an asterisk replacement a good 10+ years ago
  • [15:23:40] <panto> never went anywhere
  • [15:23:54] <panto> ka6sox-away, hehe, fellow telecom engineer here
  • [15:23:54] <mru> ka6sox-away: I've never properly worked with it
  • [15:24:01] <mru> but what I've seen was weird indeed
  • [15:24:24] <panto> weird is the kindest thing you can say about it
  • [15:24:29] <ka6sox-away> panto, I started on X-Y and last I worked on was NT DMS10
  • [15:24:45] <panto> heh
  • [15:24:46] <mru> I've seen the code running on ericsson's gsm stations
  • [15:24:48] <mru> scary stuff
  • [15:25:02] <panto> mru, gsm is _modern_ comparatively
  • [15:25:08] <ka6sox-away> no kidding
  • [15:25:10] <av500> mru: ERLANG!
  • [15:25:15] <woglinde> goof we have openbsc
  • [15:25:22] <mru> av500: there's a lot of C code in there
  • [15:25:22] <ka6sox-away> I think I'd like to run erlang on my bone..none of this linux crud
  • [15:25:31] <mru> 15k lines is a small file
  • [15:26:02] <mru> and then there was the build system
  • [15:26:11] <panto> you mean the *.bat file?
  • [15:26:22] <mru> some kind of makefiles largely
  • [15:26:44] <mru> cross-compiling for ppc on sparc
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  • [15:28:27] <mranostay> mru: now that is something you don't see everyday
  • [15:28:41] <mru> this was >10 years ago
  • [15:28:43] <ka6sox-away> looks like another long day...
  • [15:28:51] <mru> mranostay: when you were still in diapers
  • [15:29:03] <ka6sox-away> mru, he's out?
  • [15:29:06] <panto> *2.5h to beer o'clock...
  • [15:29:08] <panto> TGIF
  • [15:29:39] <jackmitchell> 1.5hrs here, counting the seconds...
  • [15:29:42] <ka6sox-away> croaked @ 80GB
  • [15:30:45] <ka6sox-away> I wish I could say that...just starting now.
  • [15:31:37] * mru is stuck in a damn office today
  • [15:31:51] <ka6sox-away> mru, it'll be over soon...
  • [15:32:21] <mru> another hour or so
  • [15:32:21] <ka6sox-away> this 64-QAM stuff is nice...till its not :P
  • [15:32:53] <mru> quasi-absurd modulation?
  • [15:33:03] <ka6sox-away> yup
  • [15:33:12] <ka6sox-away> no fade margins :P
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  • [15:43:42] <av500> mru: can you explain big.LITTLE to me?
  • [15:43:47] <av500> why would I have 4 little cores?
  • [15:43:55] <av500> if I have nothing to do, ony A7 would be enough
  • [15:44:00] <av500> like in $+1 T3
  • [15:44:02] <av500> 4+1
  • [15:44:44] <mru> if you're running a big xor little setup, you can do a trivial one-to-one migration of stuff when you decide to switch
  • [15:44:48] <dm8tbr> IIRC asymetric combinations are supported
  • [15:44:49] <av500> yes
  • [15:44:54] <av500> I get that
  • [15:44:58] <mru> dm8tbr: yes, correct
  • [15:45:04] <av500> so I add 3 cores just to make SW simpler?
  • [15:45:18] <dm8tbr> it's just that you have to figure out in the scheduler how to assign tasks to the little core
  • [15:45:22] <mru> that's the reason for having exactly equal numbers
  • [15:45:38] <mru> having multiple small cores is still good
  • [15:45:41] * panto wears his "Ask me about big.LITTLE and I'll punch your in the face" pin
  • [15:45:57] <mru> you get all the nice features of multi-core without powering up the big ones
  • [15:46:01] * dm8tbr thinks of little big adventure...
  • [15:46:27] <mru> little is not only for doing nothing
  • [15:46:54] <mru> consider things like recent android versions that _really_ like multi-core
  • [15:47:03] <mru> and stutter badly on single-core
  • [15:47:04] <av500> I do
  • [15:47:18] <av500> so run it on 2 of the 4
  • [15:47:18] <mru> most of the time you'd be running (mostly) on little cores
  • [15:47:32] <av500> iphone was smooth on 1 core
  • [15:47:34] <mru> you only need the big ones for heavy processing
  • [15:47:37] <av500> so it can be done
  • [15:47:43] <mru> that's beside the point
  • [15:47:48] <alan_o> av500: iphone isn't java :)
  • [15:48:01] * av500 blames woglinde
  • [15:48:05] <panto> mru, unfortunately the scheduler is nowhere close supporting big.LITTLE properly
  • [15:48:14] <mru> that's a sw problem
  • [15:48:21] <panto> and arm seems hell bend on papering over the problem
  • [15:48:23] <av500> panto: hint: samsung ships a phone with it :)
  • [15:48:31] <av500> maybe they can send patches
  • [15:48:37] <panto> av500, yeah I know, but it's big.LITTLE switcher
  • [15:48:42] <dm8tbr> av500: but samsung uses hard switching
  • [15:48:45] <panto> yeah
  • [15:48:47] <dm8tbr> not scheuling
  • [15:48:48] <mru> much easier
  • [15:48:53] <av500> yes
  • [15:48:56] <mru> that's just an extension of cpufreq really
  • [15:49:00] <av500> as I said, 4+4 is to make the SW easier
  • [15:49:31] <mru> and everybody knows sw people are not that smart
  • [15:50:00] <panto> which is a big power-hog since if you take some time and see what the scheduler/cpufreq does it will either be: everything on the little cores, everythong on the big cores
  • [15:50:13] <mru> yeah, far from ideal
  • [15:50:26] <av500> every thong!
  • [15:50:28] <panto> *everything
  • [15:50:28] <mru> you could even ask, why have 4 big cores?
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  • [15:50:36] <av500> yes
  • [15:50:36] <mru> most of the time, one or two big ones would be enough
  • [15:50:36] <panto> mru, +1
  • [15:51:07] <panto> the *dead SoC that must not be mentioned* was/should/might go that way
  • [15:51:19] <panto> alas, RIP
  • [15:51:24] <av500> wow, CCS install runs since 40min now
  • [15:51:54] <panto> it's optermizing...
  • [15:52:01] <av500> its on XP
  • [15:52:19] <mru> panto: resting piecewise with the alpha ev8?
  • [15:52:37] <mru> av500: full download or the downloading installer?
  • [15:52:42] <panto> mru, no comment
  • [15:53:11] <mru> on linux both of them hang halfway through about half the time, if not more
  • [15:53:42] <av500> mru: from the CD
  • [15:54:05] <mru> what's a "cd"?
  • [15:54:26] <mru> or is it "the cd" as in "the moon"?
  • [15:54:39] <av500> the CD that came in the box
  • [15:55:00] <KotH> av500, woglinde: http://www.amazon.de/Gourmetfleisch-Steakabo-360/dp/B003UMF3JI/ref=pd_sim_sbs_a_1
  • [15:55:32] <av500> YES!
  • [15:55:48] <mru> horse?
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  • [15:56:34] <KotH> "a selection of various steaks"
  • [15:56:43] <woglinde> KotH at least some people buy this for the price
  • [15:57:41] <KotH> woglinde: in .ch you'd pay twice as much, get only half the steak, and it would taste like a sole
  • [15:58:02] <mru> check the comments
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  • [15:59:57] <alan_o> plague!
  • [16:00:06] <mru> let's all troll prpplague
  • [16:00:20] * KotH throws mru at prpplague
  • [16:00:38] <prpplague> i admit i am totally troll-able
  • [16:01:03] <alan_o> prpplague: don't worry, we won't send you obfuscated links to goatse :)
  • [16:01:21] <mru> isn't that an email provider now?
  • [16:01:32] <alan_o> maybe, I'm not going to check :)
  • [16:01:39] * prpplague prepares to place an order with sparkfun
  • [16:01:49] <mru> alan_o: ah, it's an elaborate troll to make people go there
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  • [16:02:03] <XorA> prpplague: I thought you already had a full collection :-D
  • [16:02:08] <alan_o> prpplague: maybe you can order me some stuff so we can save on shipping
  • [16:02:17] <alan_o> errr... nevermind
  • [16:03:27] <prpplague> hehe
  • [16:03:36] <prpplague> XorA: there is always something new
  • [16:03:47] <prpplague> XorA: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11477
  • [16:04:09] <av500> wtf?
  • [16:04:25] <av500> that is news in the US?
  • [16:04:55] * av500 makes a note to bring mirrors and beads next time
  • [16:04:58] <alan_o> maybe, like KotH said, we're busy eating twice the steak for half the price :)
  • [16:05:18] <XorA> prpplague: WTF?
  • [16:05:47] <prpplague> hehe
  • [16:06:56] <prpplague> yea i know it looks like a simple thing, but they work really nice for retro-fitting power supply cords for dev boards
  • [16:07:14] <av500> and you need sparkfun for that?
  • [16:07:18] <panto> hi prpplague
  • [16:07:24] <av500> I buy these in the hardware store across the street
  • [16:07:30] <prpplague> panto: greetings
  • [16:07:33] * XorA is with av500 on this
  • [16:07:36] <KotH> av500: they dont have all these "baumarkt" to buy that stuff
  • [16:08:00] <prpplague> av500: yea, they've been pretty banned in the hardware stores for some time in the states
  • [16:08:01] <av500> KotH: my "baumarkt" is actually very tiny and actually 1min from my place :)
  • [16:08:09] <av500> banned?
  • [16:08:14] <av500> wtf?
  • [16:08:16] <XorA> prpplague: we could have broguth by 100 for 1$ from HK
  • [16:08:33] <prpplague> av500: too many idiots adding switches to AC stuff, big liability
  • [16:08:51] <KotH> av500: switching the lights off is an act of public offense... it shows that you have something to hide from others, something you dont want them to see.. thus you cover yourself in darkness
  • [16:09:01] <XorA> prpplague: we like adding switches in the EU
  • [16:09:06] <KotH> prpplague: how is that a liability for the store?
  • [16:09:12] <av500> prpplague: you folks are doomed
  • [16:09:24] <alan_o> because people use parts that aren't rated for what they're doing
  • [16:09:30] <mru> mounting switches on power leads is perfectly legal here
  • [16:09:33] <alan_o> and the government calls it a safety issue
  • [16:09:36] <alan_o> for example
  • [16:09:45] <av500> so
  • [16:09:51] <mru> as long as it has a wall plug, you can do pretty much whatever you want
  • [16:09:55] <alan_o> we're forbidden from buying ceiling fans that have more than 40W light bulbs in them.
  • [16:09:58] <av500> you cannot buy a cable and a plug and a switch at a hardware store?
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  • [16:10:04] <mru> tampering with fixed wiring is a bit more regulated
  • [16:10:19] <XorA> mru: only in bathrooms and kitchens, rest of house is fair game
  • [16:10:20] <KotH> alan_o: you're kidding?
  • [16:10:22] <av500> can you buy nails?
  • [16:10:25] <av500> or only blunt ones?
  • [16:10:36] <alan_o> KotH: no, I'm not.
  • [16:10:38] <av500> foam axes?
  • [16:10:51] <alan_o> KotH: People up north go to Canada to buy fans.
  • [16:10:52] <av500> non-flamable fire wood?
  • [16:10:54] <prpplague> av500: generally you can't get anything that extends from the socket
  • [16:10:55] <mru> XorA: replacing existing stuff is fine, but surely extending the wiring requires an electrician, no?
  • [16:11:12] <av500> prpplague: and I thought you have a gun problem
  • [16:11:15] <XorA> mru: only in "wet" rooms unless rules changed again in last couple of years
  • [16:11:24] <KotH> alan_o: take these fucking lables off and let the problem solve itself!
  • [16:11:32] <mru> XorA: so what do electricians do?
  • [16:11:35] <XorA> mru: in "wet" rooms you can only repair not extend/alter
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  • [16:11:46] <mru> KotH: +1
  • [16:11:49] <av500> US people, do not click that link: http://www.amazon.de/D%C3%BCwi-791320-H-Schnurzwischenschalter-Schwarz/dp/B0002YZ0S6
  • [16:12:01] <XorA> mru: new builds where it has to be certified to sell!
  • [16:12:02] <av500> prpplague: so how can sparkfun sell it?
  • [16:12:07] <XorA> mru: and fit showers
  • [16:12:10] <dm8tbr> terrorist technology!
  • [16:12:26] <KotH> prpplague: here the solution is very easy: the swtiches sold in hardware stores have a rating of 200W and up, so any lamp you use it on is smaller than the switch can do
  • [16:12:38] <mru> XorA: hmm, sounds like the british rules are more relaxed than the swedish
  • [16:12:45] <prpplague> av500: sfe gets away with it generally as a "development tool"
  • [16:12:48] <KotH> prpplague: for bigger stuff you have switches that aren't labled "lamps only"
  • [16:12:58] <XorA> mru: it has been a few years since I last looked at them, but I didnt hear a change
  • [16:13:17] <prpplague> KotH: hey, i have no power for any of this....
  • [16:13:28] <mru> in sweden there are different levels of certification required for different jobs
  • [16:13:33] <mru> repair is free for all
  • [16:13:37] <alan_o> It's all about liability. If a hardware store sells someone a switch, and the person who buys it uses it beyond its rating, and their house burns down, and then they sue the hardware store for selling them the wrong thing (because the $5/hr cashier told them it would be fine "I guess"), then it's up to a jury of your peers to decide whether the hardware store has to pay cash for the buyer's stupidity.
  • [16:13:40] <KotH> prpplague: it's called common sense!
  • [16:13:46] <mru> simple extension requires only basic certification
  • [16:13:47] <KotH> prpplague: people have that usually
  • [16:13:59] <mru> adding more fuses and such requires more
  • [16:14:00] <mru> etc
  • [16:14:01] <prpplague> KotH: i agree, but like i said, no power to make any rules
  • [16:14:06] <av500> alan_o: I understand
  • [16:14:13] <KotH> prpplague: and people who make regulations usually work under the assumption that their fellow citizens have it
  • [16:14:31] <av500> alan_o: I just wonder if that is the same "land of the brave" country....
  • [16:14:34] <prpplague> KotH: like i said, no power
  • [16:14:52] <alan_o> av500: land of the free, and the home of the brave :)
  • [16:14:54] <KotH> prpplague: werent you living in the land of freedom?
  • [16:15:00] <av500> [17:00:05] <mru> let's all troll prpplague
  • [16:15:04] <av500> I say, we did
  • [16:15:08] <av500> lets move on
  • [16:15:13] <prpplague> hehe
  • [16:15:17] <mru> yeah, let's troll kkeller now
  • [16:15:25] <alan_o> av500: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKBKeHk7f30
  • [16:15:30] * XorA should have become a swedish sparky
  • [16:15:43] <prpplague> KotH: yes, i live in the "land of freedom", but again, no power
  • [16:15:45] <mru> XorA: you can still buy any parts you want in sweden
  • [16:15:50] <prpplague> av500: hehe
  • [16:15:52] <mru> it's only installing them that's restricted
  • [16:16:19] <XorA> mru: having seen and heard of some of the deathtraps people fit, I think actually stronger certification might be a bonus
  • [16:16:35] <KotH> prpplague: buy your own power plant
  • [16:16:43] <XorA> mru: one ex workmate found his whole upstairs ring was connected to the downstairs ring via lighting cable!
  • [16:16:50] <mru> XorA: of course rules don't stop people doing stupid things from time to time
  • [16:16:52] <prpplague> KotH: hehe not me, hehe
  • [16:17:15] <KotH> anyways...
  • [16:17:17] <KotH> it's friday
  • [16:17:20] <KotH> it's evening
  • [16:17:26] * prpplague just does what he can until he can move back to barbados
  • [16:17:27] <KotH> time for trolling people at home
  • [16:17:38] <mru> indeed
  • [16:17:41] <ka6sox-away> KotH, at home or from home?
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  • [16:17:48] <XorA> prpplague: I better get an invite to BBQ in barbados ;-)
  • [16:17:50] <KotH> ka6sox-away: both, actually :)
  • [16:18:00] <KotH> mru: happy looking for :)
  • [16:18:02] <prpplague> XorA: will do
  • [16:18:24] <KotH> cya later boys, girls, and girlish trolls
  • [16:18:26] <ka6sox-away> XorA, weren't we going to move ELC there next year?
  • [16:18:30] <XorA> a month on beach with a bottle of rum suit me fine ;-)
  • [16:18:32] * mranostay cluebats the guy who checked in a kernel driver with 4 _SPACE_ indents
  • [16:18:53] <keesj> can somebody explain the endless troll stuff?
  • [16:19:06] <XorA> keesj: dont wake them!
  • [16:19:16] <ka6sox-away> keesj, do you want an explosion?
  • [16:19:18] <KotH> keesj: that cannot be explained, only experienced
  • [16:19:34] <keesj> but can somebody explain it?
  • [16:19:43] <panto> trolling is as trolling does...
  • [16:20:19] <XorA> it has something to do with hobbitses
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  • [16:21:09] <ka6sox-away> keesj, I think it has to do with BitBanging.
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  • [16:22:27] <LetoThe2nd> on a more meaningful behalf, can anyone share some insight on how data is passed through /devfb to the DSS?
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  • [16:23:36] <LetoThe2nd> is /dev/fb0 already mmapped straight to the output buffer? or is there some copying involved? if yes, how is it triggered etc?
  • [16:24:00] <av500> no
  • [16:24:07] <av500> should be the memory that DSS shows
  • [16:24:26] <ka6sox> panto: I always thought it was amusing to call here: http://goo.gl/maps/sJAJK .... the number comes from here: http://goo.gl/maps/aLbBL
  • [16:24:34] <av500> makes for all the nice tearing....
  • [16:25:25] <LetoThe2nd> av500: in general or only omap family`
  • [16:25:36] <panto> hehe
  • [16:26:55] <ka6sox> panto, but then if somebody is going to shoot something at you ...you don't really want a busy signal...
  • [16:27:22] <av500> LetoThe2nd: in general
  • [16:28:09] <LetoThe2nd> av500: i see - but no way of syncing whatsoever, right?
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  • [16:28:58] <av500> LetoThe2nd: yes
  • [16:29:04] <av500> there are VSYNC ioctls
  • [16:29:15] <av500> and you can double buffer with dsv/fb
  • [16:29:17] <av500> dev
  • [16:29:24] <av500> by moving the active part
  • [16:29:50] <LetoThe2nd> ah ok. any links to documentation / examples?
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  • [16:30:50] <av500> LetoThe2nd: really=
  • [16:30:52] <av500> ?
  • [16:30:54] <av500> sergey
  • [16:30:55] <av500> larry
  • [16:30:58] <av500> they did so much
  • [16:31:01] <av500> all these weekends
  • [16:31:12] <av500> surfing the net
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  • [16:31:15] <av500> storing
  • [16:31:17] <LetoThe2nd> hrhr, ack. thx for the pointer.
  • [16:31:18] <av500> sorting
  • [16:31:30] <av500> censoring
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  • [16:31:45] <av500> stealing from apple
  • [16:33:44] <ka6sox> is koen still the gatekeeper of the kernel repo?
  • [16:34:04] <mdp> and guardian of the Kraken
  • [16:34:22] <ka6sox> ;)
  • [16:34:40] <mdp> he must be, cause he merged my pull request
  • [16:34:44] <mdp> so he's at least one of them
  • [16:35:22] <ka6sox> ya, i was preparing some this morning and wanted to see who would be throwing darts.
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  • [16:38:18] <ka6sox> mranostay, have you seen my gravatar on github?
  • [16:49:38] <mranostay> nice
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  • [17:24:36] <mranostay> ds2: http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2013/03/15/nandputer-functionally-complete-and-absolutely-necessary/
  • [17:27:40] <mdp> toggle switches make it authentic
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  • [17:30:54] <ka6sox> mdp, however you can't buy them @ Home Despot
  • [17:31:58] <mdp> cool stuff like that is only found in the electronics bunker building in the low-rent part of the city here ;)
  • [17:33:03] <ka6sox> All Electronics in LA is like that
  • [17:33:51] <mdp> I've noticed that is a trend in the 3 areas in the .us I've lived
  • [17:34:15] <mdp> bay area doesn't count because they are an anomaly ;)
  • [17:35:09] <mranostay> mdp: lovely part of Akron too :)
  • [17:35:32] <mdp> always carry your backup weapon there ;)
  • [17:36:27] <ka6sox> M1911 works well.
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  • [17:37:23] <mdp> airweight for a backup though
  • [17:37:26] <Russ> bah, traditionalists
  • [17:37:43] <Russ> m1911, nand gates???
  • [17:38:09] <ka6sox> Russ, I can't get my hand around a Glock 40
  • [17:39:12] <Russ> I only joke
  • [17:39:54] <mdp> sig p220
  • [17:41:31] <ka6sox> mdp, chambered in what?
  • [17:41:38] <mdp> 45
  • [17:41:45] <ka6sox> :)
  • [17:41:55] <Russ> no love for 9mm in here?
  • [17:41:58] <mdp> more modern design ;)
  • [17:42:11] <mdp> Russ, Taurus PT99AF..old faithfull
  • [17:42:14] <mdp> ful
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  • [17:42:39] <ka6sox> Russ, I have no love for .38 or 9mm
  • [17:43:05] <mdp> they all have their place
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  • [17:43:45] <ka6sox> I'd rather have a .380 as a backup.
  • [17:43:57] <mdp> blech
  • [17:43:57] <mranostay> Russ: 1911 is better for CA
  • [17:44:11] <mranostay> since you can only have 9 rounds may as well make them count :)
  • [17:44:25] <Russ> I just figured with magazine laws, people switch to a larger caliber
  • [17:45:00] <mdp> mranostay, irrelevant, you are permitted to have 0 rounds where all the predators are
  • [17:45:01] <mranostay> ka6sox: what county do you live in?
  • [17:45:20] <Russ> wonder how pissed legislatures would get with a magazine that feeds from another magazine
  • [17:45:28] <Russ> it only holds 10 rounds!
  • [17:45:37] <mdp> Russ, ATF would classify it by rules as a single magazine
  • [17:45:43] <mdp> s/rules/rule/
  • [17:45:47] <mranostay> heh
  • [17:45:49] <Russ> awww
  • [17:45:54] <mdp> that's how they roll
  • [17:45:55] <Russ> I'm not clever at all
  • [17:46:10] <mdp> you can't beat The Man
  • [17:47:10] <ka6sox> mranostay, why does the that matter?
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  • [17:47:28] <mdp> Russ, nice design idea for http://defcad.org/
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  • [17:49:20] <ka6sox> same state...
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  • [17:51:12] <Shadyman> And whoa, Maxim totally 2-day Fedexed my part samples for free.
  • [17:51:58] <Russ> Shadyman, that's how they roll
  • [17:52:07] <Russ> and usually in a massively oversized box
  • [17:52:18] <Shadyman> haha nah, two bubble mailers
  • [17:52:29] <Shadyman> each from a different warehouse in CA
  • [17:52:44] <Shadyman> one requiring approval, one not
  • [17:53:47] <Shadyman> Well crap, I was exepcting 6 to 8 weeks.
  • [17:54:07] <Shadyman> ah well, time to prototype
  • [17:54:20] <mdp> Russ, Microchip had a mega-box for my last sample
  • [17:54:25] <mdp> overkill
  • [17:54:28] <Shadyman> haha
  • [17:54:51] <Shadyman> Microchip usually sends in a teeny tiny box, placed in an 8.5x11" envelope
  • [17:55:40] <Shadyman> well, teeny tiny ~= able to hold 8 pdip tubes
  • [17:58:17] <ka6sox> avnet sent me a 6pin SOIC once...the box was 10"X10"X10" for a part that is as big as a flea.
  • [18:01:01] <mdp> Shadyman: maybe the intern was at the helm my day
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  • [18:02:05] <jackmitch|home> does anyone know how long seeedstudio post takes to the UK?
  • [18:02:17] <jackmitch|home> and is the free Hong Kong air post option ok?
  • [18:05:47] <jackmitch|home> sod it, the beer is flowing and the risks are being taken
  • [18:06:28] <ka6sox> jackmitch|home, takes a while here to the US I know...
  • [18:07:01] <Shadyman> jackmitch|home: Hong Kong Air is fine.
  • [18:07:09] <Shadyman> takes about 2 weeks to canada
  • [18:07:46] <jackmitch|home> good, cause that's what I've just hit the button on; I've had experiences with EMS before which weren't too good anbd they were the next cheapest option
  • [18:11:31] <Shadyman> Maximum trollage? Maxim used UPS stick-on plastic invoice holders on their packets
  • [18:11:36] <Shadyman> and shipped by fedex. Trolololo
  • [18:11:52] <Shadyman> Such rebels.
  • [18:16:43] <Shadyman> Not that it matters :/
  • [18:24:15] <KotH> dudes... can someone explain me why this gay marriage thing is such a big issue in the us?
  • [18:26:04] <panto> gays will suck on the social concervatives precious bodily fluids
  • [18:26:16] <panto> or not enough
  • [18:26:20] <panto> one or the other
  • [18:32:55] <mru> and another train...
  • [18:33:13] <KotH> mru: where will you keep all those trains?
  • [18:33:33] <mru> in the tubes
  • [18:34:27] <ka6sox> our rail system here sucks...nice for what it is..but better elsewhere
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  • [18:36:28] * KotH has heard that phrase before... in a different context
  • [18:37:29] <ka6sox> KotH, not sure I want to be 35miles *under* a mountain when they finish that one...
  • [18:38:28] * KotH has no problem with that.. as long as it's on this side of the big pond and not an italian tunnel
  • [18:39:08] <mru> KotH: re gay marriage, the usians must all be closet gays
  • [18:39:32] <KotH> yeah.. figured something like this
  • [18:40:07] <mru> it's the simplest explanation by far
  • [18:40:16] <ka6sox> KotH, Gotthard?
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  • [18:41:17] <KotH> ka6sox: gotthard, l?tschberg,...
  • [18:41:25] <KotH> ka6sox: the swiss mountains are swiss cheese :)
  • [18:42:05] <ogra_> yummy
  • [18:42:20] <mru> how do you think they got the idea for the cheese?
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  • [18:42:40] <KotH> and where do you think do we store those 50'000 tanks we have?
  • [18:42:54] * ogra_ still wonders why they havent thought of filling the holes with chocolate though
  • [18:43:12] <mru> in the mountains?
  • [18:43:20] <KotH> waste of good chocolate
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  • [18:44:10] <ogra_> nah, in the cheese indeed
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  • [18:44:33] <ogra_> "emmentaler zartbitter"
  • [18:44:41] <mru> you misundetstand, those are chocolate mines
  • [18:45:09] <ogra_> oh, swiss chocolate is made of cheese ? now it all makes sense !
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  • [18:48:01] <ka6sox> KotH, I always figured the Swiss Army Knives were about mind control (since I was lead to believe that .ch didn't have a standing army)
  • [18:49:02] <alan_o> I used to carry a US Army knife
  • [18:49:04] <KotH> ka6sox: uhmm... you call half a million people under arms "not a standing army"???
  • [18:49:12] <alan_o> the stainless ones that are flat on the outside
  • [18:49:42] <alan_o> now I'm wondering what that was called...
  • [18:50:34] <KotH> sackmesser
  • [18:50:36] <KotH> or
  • [18:50:40] <KotH> sackh?gel
  • [18:50:55] <ka6sox> KotH, yes, I know...remember the guys we see are the guys @ Vatican City...
  • [18:51:08] <KotH> lol
  • [18:51:09] <alan_o> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.futurebytes.ch/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/wenger_groesstes_sackmesser_1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.futurebytes.ch/swisstrends/das-grosste-schweizer-sackmesser-von-wenger/10338/&h=362&w=468&sz=33&tbnid=_mnGY_KaxR8OjM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=116&zoom=1&usg=__2lco7DZZQzwwZEfDeIbkJvPXyAE=&docid=CFgmc_XxrbZ3bM&sa=X&ei=iW1DUdSRJZPY9AS2-oCIDw&ved=0CEUQ9QEwAg&dur=2213
  • [18:51:27] <KotH> ka6sox: that's our elite zealot corps!
  • [18:51:54] <ka6sox> KotH, crowd control is tough for Army People...
  • [18:52:12] <ka6sox> KotH, I do like that you keep your weapons in your homes....
  • [18:52:19] <ka6sox> :)
  • [18:52:25] <_av500_> trolls trolls trolls
  • [18:52:55] <ka6sox> _av500_, i worked 20+hrs yesterday...
  • [18:53:08] <_av500_> so?
  • [18:53:31] <ka6sox> today is trollday
  • [18:53:54] <KotH> alan_o: actually, that isnt the biggest army knive
  • [18:54:07] <_av500_> oh, knife crime
  • [18:54:13] <KotH> alan_o: there are two that are bigger, made by a small knife shop in east switzerland
  • [18:54:22] <KotH> alan_o: about twice the size of that little beauty :)
  • [18:54:36] <alan_o> you need a packpack just or the knife
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  • [18:55:01] <KotH> alan_o: i think it was an exercise on how many functions you could cram into that thing
  • [18:55:26] <KotH> alan_o: unfortunately, i cannot find a pic of it on the net
  • [18:55:48] <ka6sox> most important bit...Corkscrew...
  • [18:55:54] <Shadyman> DOH
  • [18:56:10] <Shadyman> I totally removed the wrong thing from my Maxim sample cart.
  • [18:56:11] <alan_o> ka6sox: no way man, toothpick :)
  • [18:56:16] <Shadyman> facepalm
  • [18:56:45] <ka6sox> alan_o, the corkscrew doubles as a toothpick...can't open a bottle with a toothpick :P
  • [18:57:03] <alan_o> ka6sox: that makes my teeth hurt just thinking about it.
  • [18:57:09] <Shadyman> ^
  • [18:57:50] <_av500_> that ti G+ account is gold
  • [18:57:57] <mdp> hehe
  • [18:58:11] <mdp> you really owe me for brightening your life with that one
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  • [18:59:04] <_av500_> yeah
  • [18:59:22] <mdp> has TI circled you?
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  • [18:59:27] <_av500_> I think so
  • [18:59:34] <mdp> cool, you are in the club too
  • [18:59:42] <KotH> i'd call that "tainted"
  • [18:59:44] * _av500_ high f??nfs mdp
  • [19:00:11] <Shadyman> G+? Club? Wat? :<
  • [19:00:21] <mdp> I like denix's comment
  • [19:00:50] <ka6sox> whew...escaped that so far...
  • [19:02:31] <ogra_> mdp, thats a club ? i thought its a script
  • [19:03:56] <_av500_> g+ is where you discuss cement mixers with your girl friend
  • [19:04:21] <KotH> o_0
  • [19:04:28] <KotH> i must join this!
  • [19:04:33] <ogra_> LOL
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  • [19:04:46] <ka6sox> my wife doesn't get g+...so she stays away...on FB
  • [19:05:34] <ogra_> so, that club ... can you collect miles and all ?
  • [19:05:34] <ka6sox> leaving G+ for me to enjoy.
  • [19:06:05] <mdp> ka6sox: we do the same thing...I dictate responses to go to her FB account
  • [19:06:09] <mrpackethead> oh my head hurts.
  • [19:06:14] <mrpackethead> and its not a hang-over
  • [19:06:53] <_av500_> hang-under?
  • [19:09:26] <ka6sox> _av500_, +1...touche
  • [19:11:13] <ka6sox> so...coffee or nap?
  • [19:11:15] <ogra_> that tube driven tablet is a great idea btw ...
  • [19:11:22] <mranostay> what is a group of cones called?
  • [19:11:31] <mranostay> a murder? a flock? etc?
  • [19:11:38] <ka6sox> row
  • [19:11:59] <mranostay> ka6sox: i see what you did there
  • [19:12:42] <ka6sox> mranostay, :)
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  • [19:15:17] <_av500_> wow, Galaxy S4 uses Intel
  • [19:15:41] <alan_o> but how will I play angry birds?
  • [19:15:53] <ka6sox> _av500_, Intel what?
  • [19:15:54] <woglinde> pen and paper
  • [19:16:14] <ka6sox> the original way we played DnD
  • [19:16:40] <panto> _av500_, what? link?
  • [19:16:49] <_av500_> :)
  • [19:16:53] <panto> isn't it exynos something? :)
  • [19:16:56] <panto> dammit
  • [19:17:02] <panto> troll defenses down
  • [19:17:06] <alan_o> Hey, Tizen device from Samsung this year
  • [19:17:07] <panto> _av500_, +1
  • [19:17:07] <_av500_> Intel pmb5745
  • [19:17:13] <_av500_> :-P
  • [19:17:19] <ka6sox> panto, nobody can spell it.
  • [19:17:20] <_av500_> used to be infineon
  • [19:17:58] <_av500_> 3g baseband
  • [19:18:27] <panto> intel 3g?
  • [19:18:33] <panto> man
  • [19:18:35] <tema> heh, panto, but reality is they're using qcomm in most of their us phones
  • [19:21:26] <tema> something isn't quite ok with exynos
  • [19:21:32] <_av500_> in S3 they use everything
  • [19:21:42] <_av500_> QC, Sammy and even TI
  • [19:22:31] <mdp> tema, imagine that
  • [19:22:46] <panto> time to go now
  • [19:22:58] <panto> I have to fill my beer consumption hole
  • [19:23:02] <_av500_> kalimera
  • [19:23:04] <_av500_> er
  • [19:23:06] <mdp> TMI
  • [19:23:12] <_av500_> kalinichta
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  • [19:35:44] <Russ> hooray, the yost cables I ran actually work
  • [19:37:39] <_av500_> yost?
  • [19:37:53] <Russ> its an rj45 rs232 pinout
  • [19:38:00] <_av500_> ah
  • [19:38:04] <Russ> so I have one running along with the rest of the cat6
  • [19:38:10] <_av500_> hmm
  • [19:38:15] <Russ> well, a couple
  • [19:38:17] <_av500_> I could reuses the cat6 here for serial
  • [19:38:32] <_av500_> sprinkle beagles throughout the house
  • [19:39:00] <Russ> yost is what gets used by cisco hardware
  • [19:39:13] <_av500_> yeah, I have a baby blue cisce serial cable
  • [19:39:21] <Russ> its nice because it utilizes the twisted pairs the best it can, and it does an automatic crossover
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  • [19:44:54] <prpplague> hey folks, just fyi if you were a linuxdevices.com fan, a new embedded linux news site is up now as a replacement http://www.linuxgizmos.com
  • [19:55:08] <_av500_> yep
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  • [20:36:00] <_av500_> Russ: from a legal standpoint, what is the copyright by foo line in a GPL file worth?
  • [20:36:16] <Russ> you still own the copyright
  • [20:36:19] <_av500_> sure
  • [20:36:27] <Russ> GPL isn't copyright, it's licensing
  • [20:36:27] <_av500_> but the line does not change that
  • [20:36:42] <Russ> someone who own the copyright is free to change the license
  • [20:36:49] <Russ> er, owns
  • [20:36:54] <_av500_> sure
  • [20:37:16] <_av500_> still, if I copy a GPL project and start changing files
  • [20:37:17] <Russ> removing the copyright also infringes the gpl
  • [20:37:20] <_av500_> does it?
  • [20:37:43] <Russ> if it says, copyright 2012 _av500_ on the top of every file and you rip that out?
  • [20:38:13] <mrpackethead> Russ: you can't change the copyright, if the licence says you can't.
  • [20:38:23] <mrpackethead> as the licence is a contract
  • [20:38:33] <mrpackethead> and if the contract says, the licence can't be changed.
  • [20:38:39] <mrpackethead> however, its grey
  • [20:39:20] <mrpackethead> GPL is a very scary bit of space
  • [20:39:36] <mrpackethead> its why Linux is not the dominant OS
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  • [20:40:15] <_av500_> Russ: ah ok, the GPL actually mentions the copyright by line
  • [20:40:41] <Russ> oh, hey, I'm looking back an the actually added it back in
  • [20:41:00] <mrpackethead> anyone know anything about algae?
  • [20:41:01] <Russ> er, nope, they decided not to because I didn't follow their mailing list
  • [20:41:31] <Russ> 'this is nice of you doing this, but I requested that he does this by himeself to be able to track this properly'
  • [20:42:32] <Russ> (This is Intel btw)
  • [20:42:50] <_av500_> intel has a mailing list?
  • [20:44:05] <Russ> their open source projects have mailing lists
  • [20:45:49] <Russ> I'll just bide my time, wait till some intel enigneer sees intel copyrighted code, copies it for an internal project
  • [20:49:06] <_av500_> :)
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  • [20:53:58] <mrpackethead> gotta love customers
  • [20:54:06] <mrpackethead> thye come up with the best requests!
  • [20:55:11] <Russ> write my requirements for me?
  • [20:55:31] <mrpackethead> we build fountain lighting
  • [20:55:43] <mrpackethead> one of the clients wants self cleaning lights
  • [20:56:10] <mrpackethead> algae is problem
  • [20:56:42] <Russ> will DT help here/
  • [20:56:44] <Russ> ?
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  • [20:57:01] <mrpackethead> a linux controlled light cleaner
  • [20:57:02] <mrpackethead> ?
  • [20:57:20] <Russ> just throw some fish in there, it'll be fine
  • [20:57:28] <mrpackethead> thres plenty of fish in there
  • [20:57:37] <mrpackethead> and plenty of algae still!
  • [20:57:56] <Russ> can you introduce a better tasting variant of algae?
  • [20:58:47] <mranostay> algae beer
  • [21:00:33] <mrpackethead> i wonder if a windscreen wiper arrangment is possile!
  • [21:00:59] <Russ> I know, make the fountain completely dark!
  • [21:01:23] <mrpackethead> one suggestion was to put some UV leds in the fountain
  • [21:01:26] <mrpackethead> light
  • [21:03:33] <Russ> ya, just don't look into the fountain kids
  • [21:04:24] <_av500_> lasers!!!
  • [21:04:30] <_av500_> and sharks
  • [21:05:26] <ogra_> predator algae ...
  • [21:08:29] <ka6sox> and trolls
  • [21:09:20] <ogra_> japanese trolls though ... i think they eat algae
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  • [21:34:41] <ds2> is it easier to enclose the fountain and illuminate it with short wave UV
  • [21:34:52] <ds2> the add a dye to the water to make it visible
  • [21:34:59] <ds2> that ought to guarantee no algea
  • [21:38:02] <woglinde> geiger algea
  • [21:38:30] <mru> where's mranostay when you need him?
  • [21:38:44] * mranostay pokes i
  • [21:38:46] <mranostay> *in
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  • [21:39:21] <ds2> or stick a few samples from mranostay's lab and...
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  • [21:41:06] <mranostay> quick hide. maybe jkridner will think nobody's here
  • [21:41:15] * mranostay hides behind _av500_
  • [21:43:58] * ka6sox puts on his Trollproof Suit and asks a Legit Question.
  • [21:44:25] * ds2 enables Troll++
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  • [21:45:07] <ka6sox> when a cape is detected (by its assigned number) at what stage does capemanager do the configuration?
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  • [21:45:36] <ka6sox> uboot, initramfs, after booting? when the stars align?
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  • [21:48:53] <ds2> when exactly 13 higgs bosons strike the prependicular surface of the cape
  • [21:49:09] <_av500_> is there a macro to print the refcount of a kernel ojbect?
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  • [21:50:46] <ka6sox> ds2, not in my lifetime? _av500_ dunno
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  • [22:02:37] <mranostay> ka6sox: after booting
  • [22:02:52] <mranostay> well define it
  • [22:06:26] <_av500_> 0.000001s after systemd
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  • [22:17:57] <ka6sox> okay good
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  • [22:19:34] <mranostay> ka6sox: btw we will decide in the questions are legit or not :P
  • [22:22:55] <ka6sox> troooolls...in the basement....thought you should know.
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  • [22:36:19] <_av500_> there, I send a patch
  • [22:36:51] * _av500_ loves fixing code he does not understand at all
  • [22:39:05] <mranostay> _av500_: linky poo
  • [22:39:24] <ds2> stop crashing musb!
  • [22:39:36] <_av500_> mranostay: BBB ML
  • [22:39:42] <_av500_> its not public
  • [22:40:01] <ka6sox> awwwwwwww
  • [22:41:34] <ka6sox> av500, ask koen how he feels about musb
  • [22:42:01] <_av500_> I dont need to ask koen
  • [22:42:09] <_av500_> we have been fighting it for 5 ys
  • [22:45:50] <ds2> prehaps it is time to make peace with it
  • [22:46:36] * mranostay looks for a Mentor guy to blame in here
  • [22:47:39] <mranostay> drat nobody
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  • [22:53:35] <mranostay> ds2: secret datasheet?
  • [22:53:42] <ds2> :D
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  • [22:55:10] <mranostay> so we have to sign away a kidney to NXP to get it?
  • [22:59:08] * mranostay takes one of ds2's kidneys
  • [23:03:57] <ka6sox> mranostay, there are somethings that people just don't ask
  • [23:04:48] <mranostay> ka6sox: what did i do now?
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  • [23:05:30] <ka6sox> you know...
  • [23:06:03] * mranostay blames Crofton
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  • [23:13:19] <mranostay> ka6sox: when you doing a cape manager thing for your FPGA cape?
  • [23:14:19] <ka6sox> who? what?
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  • [23:14:55] <mranostay> well emeb's
  • [23:16:17] <ka6sox> aren't you asking the wrong person?
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  • [23:17:28] <emeb> cape manager?
  • [23:22:25] <ds2> a more specialize coat checker
  • [23:22:36] <mranostay> emeb: dynamic overlays + capes
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  • [23:22:55] <ds2> it is a union position so you have a cane manager, top hat manager, and a cape manager :D
  • [23:22:58] <emeb> mranostay: overlays of what?
  • [23:23:17] <mranostay> device tree
  • [23:23:29] <mranostay> someone hasn't viewed my slides :P
  • [23:23:37] <emeb> Oh, so DT gets a bunch of cape-specific cape-abilities?
  • [23:23:50] <Russ> capetastic!
  • [23:23:59] <emeb> cape-tacular!
  • [23:24:18] <mranostay> hate you guys
  • [23:24:35] <ds2> stop neglecting the tophats and canes
  • [23:24:44] <mranostay> cape this
  • [23:26:15] <emeb> mranostay: linky to your slides?
  • [23:26:42] <emeb> (why do I always read that as "Mr. Anostay"?)
  • [23:28:11] <_av500_> Mr. A - no stay!
  • [23:29:22] <emeb> Agent Smith: "I'm going to enjoy watching you die Mr. Anostay."
  • [23:29:26] <ka6sox> mranostay, you remind me of Brain...from Pinky and The Brain"
  • [23:29:55] <_av500_> brain, uh?
  • [23:30:07] <ds2> So, what will we do tonight?
  • [23:30:18] <ka6sox> same thing as always....
  • [23:30:19] <emeb> Same thing we do every night...
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  • [23:32:12] <ka6sox> Try to Take Over the World!
  • [23:32:20] <ka6sox> prpplague, this is a test...
  • [23:32:27] <prpplague> only a test?
  • [23:32:41] <emeb> in the event of an actual...
  • [23:32:53] <ka6sox> you would have been given instructions
  • [23:33:02] <prpplague> to kiss your ass goodbye
  • [23:33:16] <ka6sox> he was paying attention...
  • [23:33:51] <ka6sox> where is the first line in this channel you saw after logging in.
  • [23:33:54] <emeb> wasn't accompanied by appropriate modem noises tho
  • [23:33:57] <ka6sox> from?
  • [23:34:53] <ka6sox> EBS tones
  • [23:34:57] <ka6sox> annoying suckers
  • [23:35:04] <ka6sox> we still use em'
  • [23:35:13] <prpplague> interesting - http://dx.com/p/mk808-dual-core-android-4-1-1-google-tv-player-w-1gb-ram-8gb-rom-wi-fi-tf-hdmi-160535?utm_source=dx&utm_medium=cdn&utm_campaign=sub1991
  • [23:35:47] <emeb> Har: http://llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogo.ch/bu
  • [23:35:56] <ds2> yes but those things are shipped by putting it in a bottle and tossing it into the ocean
  • [23:36:52] <_av500_> prpplague: what is so special about this one?
  • [23:37:02] <_av500_> compared to the 3 dozen others
  • [23:37:51] <_av500_> ok, the google tv logo is a nice touch
  • [23:39:04] <prpplague> _av500_: nothing, just haven't been shopping around for those
  • [23:39:23] <_av500_> ah
  • [23:39:30] <prpplague> _av500_: between elc and starting work for CCO, i've been swamped for the last 45 days
  • [23:39:59] <prpplague> _av500_: did you see my omap5 heat sink?
  • [23:39:59] <_av500_> rk3066 is not really good for 1080p
  • [23:40:07] <_av500_> prpplague: whewre?
  • [23:40:14] <prpplague> _av500_: http://dx.com/p/pccooler-hs90h-2000rpm-cpu-heatsink-cooling-fan-for-desktop-black-copper-orange-168517
  • [23:40:18] <_av500_> we know instances where these sticks run 720p only
  • [23:40:40] <_av500_> prpplague: too small
  • [23:40:54] <ka6sox> prpplague, it needs its own gantry crane
  • [23:41:06] <Russ> what about water cooling/
  • [23:41:13] <_av500_> thats cool
  • [23:42:24] <ka6sox> _av500_, trite
  • [23:43:20] * prpplague sees a bunch of emails about the minnowboard and starts walking around with his fingers in his ears chanting "mmmmm,mmmmm,mmmmm not listening!mmmmm,mmmmm,mmmmm not listening!mmmmm,mmmmm,mmmmm not listening!"
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  • [23:46:09] * mranostay dances
  • [23:46:14] <prpplague> _av500_: hair for ELCE? http://dx.com/p/fashion-short-top-curly-hair-wig-brown-68057
  • [23:46:44] <mranostay> prpplague: steal alan_o's
  • [23:47:06] <_av500_> prpplague: go for it!
  • [23:47:06] <prpplague> mranostay: don't need to, alan_o has enough that we can share
  • [23:48:11] <prpplague> _av500_: http://thatschurch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/un29090_xl.jpg
  • [23:48:20] <mranostay> i can grow my own thank you
  • [23:48:52] <_av500_> prpplague: o_O
  • [23:48:53] <ds2> blasted intel GPUs
  • [23:49:10] <prpplague> mranostay: i meant alan_o and i can share the hair
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  • [23:58:12] <mranostay> prpplague: how decent of you sharing his hair
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