• [00:01:23] <ds2> yes, I like black LEDs
  • [00:02:05] <mranostay> bitbang vga?
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  • [01:03:56] <mrpackethead> well, thats sad.
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  • [01:08:32] <mru> troll troll troll
  • [01:09:05] <mrpackethead> i just have sent back my $35,000 PCB milling system
  • [01:09:15] <mrpackethead> and they are refunding my money
  • [01:09:27] <mrpackethead> very annoying.
  • [01:12:19] <denix> ah, that was woglinde, never mind...
  • [01:13:41] <Crofton|work> I thought Mir was son of something related to Tizen?
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  • [01:26:01] <Russ> what was wrong with it?
  • [01:27:52] <mranostay> mru: XorA|gone owes you a beer
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  • [01:39:36] <Crofton|work> rofl, if you google for "corporate takeover of open source linaro" the first hit is the linaro career page
  • [01:40:34] <Crofton|work> http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-omap@vger.kernel.org/msg85510.html
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  • [01:42:28] <mranostay> heh
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  • [01:46:01] <XorA|gone> Crofton|work: hehe
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  • [01:50:24] <mranostay> corporate overlords pay well i'm told
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  • [01:52:37] <XorA|gone> mranostay: corporate overlords feed well ;-)
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  • [01:53:16] <mranostay> we are all !@#@!#$s for money :)
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  • [02:18:33] <Russ> Crofton, rmk seems to be a foul mood from time to time
  • [02:18:39] <Crofton|work> sure
  • [02:19:00] <Crofton|work> but the google query is amusing
  • [02:19:26] <Crofton|work> I just listened to Corbets Linaro Connect keynote. It is interesting
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  • [02:40:32] <mrpackethead> the little "sleds" for the beagl are quite good
  • [02:40:40] <mrpackethead> keeps everything off the desk
  • [02:43:28] <Russ> hmm...wonder how hard it would be to make the abs slightly conductive
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  • [02:43:52] <mranostay> Crofton|work: the LED needs a heatsink?
  • [02:44:13] <Russ> because really, plastic can really build up a nice static charge
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  • [02:45:26] <Crofton|work> you feed it 30 volts at up to 1A
  • [02:46:24] <mrpackethead> has anyone had an SD-Card fail, in a way that pulls the Power Supply of a beaglebone done?
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  • [02:46:29] <mrpackethead> down
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  • [02:49:11] <Crofton|work> mranostay, once I get it hooled up on the bench, I'll have a better idea of the heat situation
  • [02:49:46] <mranostay> Crofton|work: what are you using it for exactly?
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  • [02:57:25] <Crofton|work> amusing myself
  • [02:57:36] <mrpackethead> https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/r270/421785_10151480179392661_748751452_n.jpg
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  • [03:10:36] <mrpackethead> on topic question
  • [03:12:31] <mrpackethead> has anyone had issues with the ethernet gadget at boottime.
  • [03:12:48] <mrpackethead> im just buidlign from scratch a new system
  • [03:13:00] <Crofton|work> mranostay, http://dx.com/p/30w-3500lm-3050k-square-led-white-light-module-33-35v-185979
  • [03:13:01] <mrpackethead> if the ethernet gagdet is not connected
  • [03:13:06] <mrpackethead> it wont' boot.
  • [03:14:21] <mranostay> what is color temperature?
  • [03:15:05] <Crofton|work> ask mru
  • [03:15:47] <mrpackethead> leds.. theres a topic i can feel like i know soemrhign about.
  • [03:15:50] <mru> mranostay: never studied thermodynamics?
  • [03:16:25] <mrpackethead> mranostay: the higher the colour temp, the more 'blue' it will look
  • [03:16:31] <mrpackethead> the lower, it will look more 'warm'
  • [03:16:36] <Crofton|work> thanks
  • [03:16:46] <Crofton|work> finding a data sheet is a bitch
  • [03:17:00] <mrpackethead> a warm white is about 2500-4000k, cool whites will be 5000-7000
  • [03:17:37] <mrpackethead> its the colour emitted from a 'perfect' black body emitter when heated to that temperture
  • [03:17:38] <mranostay> TIL
  • [03:17:41] <mru> mranostay: 'white' at a given colour temp looks like black-body radiation at that temperature
  • [03:17:59] <mrpackethead> mru: snap
  • [03:18:00] <mru> thermodynamics
  • [03:18:25] <mrpackethead> fyi, you can generally get more lumens/W with higher colour temps
  • [03:18:33] <mrpackethead> due to the physics of the led.
  • [03:20:10] <Crofton|work> http://www.phoshine.com/productview.asp?id=54
  • [03:20:27] <mrpackethead> what you building Crofton?
  • [03:20:39] <Crofton|work> I am jsut playing with a big led
  • [03:20:50] <mrpackethead> ahh
  • [03:20:56] <mrpackethead> iv'e got some big Leds from Cree
  • [03:21:11] <mrpackethead> the ones they are building street lights with.
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  • [03:21:26] <mrpackethead> and you really need to heat sink them
  • [03:21:29] <mrpackethead> or your in the pooh!
  • [03:22:45] <RPisces> Has anyone had any luck accessing the user button on the xM?
  • [03:23:29] <RPisces> When I try this: "echo 4 > /sys/class/gpio/export", I get this: "bash: echo: write error: Device or resource busy"...
  • [03:23:35] <RPisces> (As Root)
  • [03:23:57] <prpplague> RPisces: most likely there is another device driver using the GPIO
  • [03:24:27] <RPisces> Exactly. But I don't know what is, or how to find out what is so I can release it for user use...
  • [03:24:46] <prpplague> RPisces: where did you get the kernel you are using?
  • [03:25:52] <mrpackethead> well, theres a find ( or not )
  • [03:26:00] <RPisces> From here (pre-built): http://www.brianhensley.net/2013/01/beagleboard-xm-how-to-install-ubuntu.html
  • [03:26:04] <mrpackethead> theres 5 rapsberry PI's here.
  • [03:26:06] <mrpackethead> :-(
  • [03:27:00] <prpplague> RPisces: so, you got a third party kernel and rootfs designed for end users, fancy to say, they most likely have a gpio button driver enabled for that button, as that is what it is intended to do
  • [03:27:36] <prpplague> RPisces: what is it you are trying to accomplish?
  • [03:28:32] <RPisces> I thought so. I'm new to Linux so I started off easy. I want to create some sort of script that safely powers down the BB when the button is pressed
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  • [03:28:59] <RPisces> I researched it and am well aware how to accomplish this; the problem is the driver accessing the button...
  • [03:30:05] <phungpham> I want to buy Beagleboard
  • [03:30:19] <prpplague> phungpham: visit pandaboard.org and click the buy now
  • [03:30:39] <phungpham> I try to buy it from Mouser
  • [03:31:02] <phungpham> But US request to make the export license
  • [03:31:16] <phungpham> Mouser can not make license
  • [03:31:18] <prpplague> RPisces: the button is already mapped with ubuntu, you just need to a keymap or script to monitor for that button
  • [03:31:42] <prpplague> phungpham: what country?
  • [03:31:52] <phungpham> VietNam
  • [03:32:02] <mrpackethead> north vietnam?
  • [03:32:22] <phungpham> Ho Chi Minh City
  • [03:32:37] <phungpham> South VietNam
  • [03:33:16] <RPisces> Hm ok, mapped under what directory? /dev/input?
  • [03:33:55] <phungpham> Please let me know any distributor which i can buy without the export license
  • [03:33:56] <prpplague> RPisces: yep
  • [03:34:03] <prpplague> RPisces: google - evtest
  • [03:34:32] <prpplague> phungpham: all distributors are responsible for complying with the export license
  • [03:34:45] <prpplague> phungpham: vietnam is on the restricted list
  • [03:34:58] <phungpham> Yes
  • [03:35:07] <phungpham> If I can buy it or not
  • [03:35:10] <XorA|gone> yo prpplague
  • [03:35:35] <prpplague> XorA|gone: hey bud
  • [03:35:41] <phungpham> yes
  • [03:35:52] <phungpham> Please help me to buy Beagleboard
  • [03:35:55] <prpplague> phungpham: you can contact mouser or digikey directly to see if there are any exceptions
  • [03:36:16] <phungpham> I already directly contacted to Mouser
  • [03:36:49] <phungpham> I also paid but Mouser can not make the export license
  • [03:36:55] <XorA|gone> prpplague: this place has a strange burning ball of fire in the sky, I am scared!!!!
  • [03:37:13] <prpplague> XorA|gone: hehe
  • [03:37:22] <prpplague> phungpham: then no one can help you
  • [03:39:21] <phungpham> Oh
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  • [03:41:44] <mrpackethead> you need to get creative
  • [03:41:45] <mrpackethead> :-)
  • [03:42:05] <mrpackethead> fly over to the US
  • [03:42:08] <mrpackethead> buy some
  • [03:42:10] <mrpackethead> take them home
  • [03:42:26] <prpplague> get caught in customs
  • [03:43:43] <phungpham> Oh
  • [03:44:00] <phungpham> it is too difficultly to buy follow this way
  • [03:44:12] <prpplague> get caught in customs ; get sent to gitmo
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  • [03:47:18] <alan_o> prpplague: Cuba, where the sun is warm, and so is the comradeship?
  • [03:47:37] <prpplague> indeed
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  • [03:59:10] <RPisces> @prpplague thanks for the help thus far...evtest does work, but how do I interface that to a script? Wouldn't it be much easier to use the sysfs method I've been trying?
  • [03:59:23] <RPisces> I just found this: "If you want to use the sysfs method then you need to go into the board file and stub out the platform device registering of the gpio-keys."
  • [04:00:01] <prpplague> RPisces: yes you can do that
  • [04:00:03] <prpplague> RPisces: however
  • [04:00:14] <prpplague> RPisces: if you want to learn how linux "is suppose to do things"
  • [04:00:25] <mrpackethead> why is sudo not part of the base install
  • [04:00:25] <prpplague> RPisces: evtest is an example application
  • [04:01:03] <prpplague> RPisces: for example you can simply edit the source code for evtest to "do something" when the specific button event is detected
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  • [04:02:49] <RPisces> Right, I understand...interesting, but then I would have to re-build/make/compile it [the custom source code edit] for my distro, wouldn't I?
  • [04:04:15] <prpplague> RPisces: yep, not as difficult as you would expect, and a very valuable skill to develop if you are going to be working with embedded platforms
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  • [04:11:03] <JackStone> which distro of Unbutu is : http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Demo_Image
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  • [04:16:23] <prpplague> Luca256: luca!!!!
  • [04:17:00] <prpplague> Luca256: haven't seen you around in ages!
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  • [04:23:09] <RPisces> Ooh ew. I just opened the evtest.c file and there's some stuff in here I've never even implemented in C/C++ haha
  • [04:23:46] <mranostay> er?
  • [04:24:16] <prpplague> RPisces: hehe
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  • [04:25:14] <RPisces> What is the best way to compile c++ code for this platform? Set up a file server on the BB and transfer the compiled files? Or compile right on the BB with GCC?
  • [04:25:24] <RPisces> I bet there's 1000 more ways
  • [04:26:21] <mranostay> what would canonical do?
  • [04:27:09] <ccssnet> juggle sporks
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  • [04:36:27] <RPisces> where is the board file located in Debian/Ubuntu? I can't seem to find it
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  • [04:37:35] <prpplague> RPisces: hehe
  • [04:37:55] <prpplague> RPisces: if you had troubles with evtest.c, you aren't going to get the board file fixed, hehe
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  • [04:39:14] <RPisces> I'm an embedded programmer, I can do this!
  • [04:40:00] <prpplague> RPisces: i suggest you walk err crawl before you run ...
  • [04:40:16] <mranostay> heh
  • [04:40:36] <prpplague> RPisces: when you used evtest what was the output when you pressed the button?
  • [04:41:09] <ds2> just dive right into the triathlon
  • [04:41:22] <prpplague> hehe
  • [04:41:46] <RPisces> Event: time 1362458463.464340, type 1 (EV_KEY), code 276 (BTN_EXTRA), value 1
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  • [04:42:00] <RPisces> or "....value 0"
  • [04:42:43] <Luca256> prpplague: hey
  • [04:42:53] <prpplague> Luca256: what you up to these days?
  • [04:42:59] <prpplague> RPisces: give me a minute
  • [04:43:02] <Luca256> prpplague: I've been here all the time, just not very talkative :)
  • [04:43:14] <Luca256> prpplague: quite much the same as before ;)
  • [04:43:26] <Luca256> still working with WiLink, though my team is different now
  • [04:43:44] <ds2> Luca256: do you work on the embedded wifi module?
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  • [04:43:48] <Luca256> prpplague: how about you?
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  • [04:43:51] <Luca256> ds2: yep
  • [04:43:57] <ds2> nice
  • [04:44:26] <ds2> does it work as well as the older wilink stuff?
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  • [04:44:43] <Luca256> ds2: what do you mean? it works better of course! ;)
  • [04:45:08] <ds2> Luca256: that module is new and available in low volume so I wonder what compromises were made
  • [04:46:16] <Luca256> you mean the WL8? or..?
  • [04:46:24] <RPisces> Sure
  • [04:46:32] <ds2> CCsomething
  • [04:46:40] <Luca256> ah, sorry
  • [04:46:51] <Luca256> no, I don't work with the CC something
  • [04:47:00] <ds2> ohhh n/m then
  • [04:47:02] <Luca256> that's not WiLink, it's SimpleLink I think
  • [04:47:03] <mranostay> heh
  • [04:47:12] <Luca256> not very involved on that one (as you can see ;)
  • [04:47:17] <ds2> it is a module so I donno what is inside
  • [04:47:23] <Luca256> yeah
  • [04:47:26] <Luca256> I dunno either
  • [04:47:42] <Luca256> but I'm sure it's good ;)
  • [04:47:51] <ds2> heheh
  • [04:47:55] <Luca256> :P
  • [04:48:00] <ds2> as 'good' as all the old wilink's? ;)
  • [04:48:25] <Luca256> the WiLinks are not "old" ;)
  • [04:48:30] <Luca256> WL8 is pretty new\
  • [04:48:36] <Luca256> and it's awesome
  • [04:48:37] <ds2> wilink5? ;)
  • [04:49:27] <Luca256> probably better than wilink5... also worst, because there's no wilink5 :D
  • [04:49:43] <ds2> :)
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  • [04:52:30] <Luca256> oh, there actually *is* a WiLink 5, but it's just WiLink 4.0 soldered"
  • [04:52:46] <Luca256> *"soldered" together with a bluetooth module
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  • [04:56:53] <RPisces> Ok, so I want to compile C++ code on my beagleboard. Is there a way to use visual studio, or should I just do this with netbeans: http://mechomaniac.com/BeagleboardDevelopmentWithNetbeans
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  • [04:58:07] <prpplague> RPisces: http://www.elinux.org/Buttontest
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  • [04:59:44] <RPisces> *goodie
  • [04:59:49] <RPisces> Thanks
  • [05:00:16] <prpplague> RPisces: it is staticaly compiled, so it should be executable on your system
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  • [06:17:36] <panto> gm
  • [06:19:58] <mranostay> crap
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  • [06:23:54] <emeb_mac> mranostay is in a grrrreat mood.
  • [06:23:56] <mru> trolls!
  • [06:24:02] <emeb_mac> run!
  • [06:29:42] <dm8tbr> moaning
  • [06:32:29] <XorA|gone> morning
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  • [06:32:54] <XorA> why are there no hacking rooms poolside????
  • [06:33:10] <mru> are there any trollside?
  • [06:34:33] * XorA has no idea, but Im in a part of the world with decent climate, then I get locked in a room indoors!!!!!!
  • [06:34:48] <mru> that sucks indeed
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  • [06:37:08] <_av500_> usleep(167); //60fps
  • [06:37:22] <_av500_> I always wondered how that was done...
  • [06:41:11] <aholler> I wonder what you do read in the morning
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  • [06:45:41] <_av500_> :)
  • [06:46:10] <_av500_> source code of part-of-my-last-name-spacestastion-display-server
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  • [06:51:17] <ka6sox> Yawn
  • [06:58:42] <emeb_mac> wake up! time to irc!
  • [07:02:50] <aholler> hmm, I regulary lose the connection to the sensortag. I wonder what that is.
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  • [07:12:24] <mranostay> sensortag?
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  • [07:13:48] <aholler> i'm playing a bit with btle
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  • [07:28:46] <aholler> problem is I only have 2 minutes to reconnect, afterwards manual intervention is necessary
  • [07:29:13] <aholler> and I check the connection only once every 5 minutes ;)
  • [07:33:07] <aholler> so I will have to add a ping inbetween
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  • [07:35:52] <av500> gm
  • [07:36:41] <mranostay> av500: hey frauline
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  • [08:03:39] <mru> trolls don't sleep
  • [08:04:21] <mranostay> ok i'm going to stare at the ceiling for 8 hours then
  • [08:05:05] <dm8tbr> you could ponder the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow meanwhile
  • [08:06:25] <mru> african or european
  • [08:07:09] <av500> asian
  • [08:07:34] * mru looks around, sees no swallows
  • [08:08:12] <mru> plenty of asians though
  • [08:11:45] <mrpackethead> do.
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  • [09:40:31] <KotH> good morning boys, what a wonderfull day to wage a war against infidels!
  • [09:43:16] <aholler> you're sure you live in the right country?
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  • [09:44:12] <panto> maybe it's a war against inferior chocolate infidels
  • [09:44:15] <aholler> I thought switzerland got already enlightened
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  • [09:57:21] <KotH> aholler: .ch is probably the only country in the world, who has a law against building minarets
  • [09:57:30] <KotH> aholler: so much for being enlightened
  • [09:58:40] <aholler> it might have a reason (if you call for war)
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  • [10:00:32] <aholler> I assume they wouldn like you on top of such a minaret
  • [10:03:10] <aholler> at least they left the dark age
  • [10:08:49] <mrpackethead> does .ch let gay people get married?
  • [10:09:26] <av500> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_partnership_in_Switzerland
  • [10:09:45] <av500> kind of
  • [10:09:57] <mrpackethead> so gay but not muslim.
  • [10:10:08] <av500> ?
  • [10:10:21] <aholler> no, a minaret is disturbing
  • [10:10:29] <mrpackethead> funny how humans are.
  • [10:11:11] <av500> I dont think they expell muslims
  • [10:11:25] <av500> they just dont let them build minarets
  • [10:12:23] <aholler> they expell minarets because those are used by cryers
  • [10:13:10] <mrpackethead> i dpont' think your allowed to flush the toilet after 10pm in some villages are you
  • [10:13:12] <mrpackethead> lol:-)
  • [10:13:25] <mrpackethead> they love their silecnce in .ch
  • [10:14:51] <aholler> I wouldn't like someone crying out for war on a minaret too
  • [10:18:45] <KotH> aholler: switzerland has 4 minarets currently, none has ever been used for a muezin until now
  • [10:19:13] <aholler> maybe they have no need for crusades, in contrast to you
  • [10:19:31] <KotH> aholler: the only place where such sounds were heard, was from a small church... and that was played by the swiss right wing party
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  • [10:30:14] <aholler> my zendulum fidgets => sun
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  • [10:56:40] <keesj> Hi!
  • [10:57:06] <av500> lo!
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  • [10:58:08] <keesj> I was at embedded world last week. many people recognized the beagleboard-xm on our desk
  • [10:58:59] <keesj> sorry being called for lunch..
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  • [11:19:59] <KotH> "The NMI sources are enabled by individual interrup enable bits." WTF???
  • [11:20:23] <av500> ?
  • [11:20:43] <KotH> an NMI that can be disabled is not an NMI
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  • [11:30:34] <gustavoz> well SSD is kind of wrong too, are there any LSDs or GSDs?
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  • [12:29:04] <Gerome> hi all
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  • [12:38:47] <av500> hi
  • [12:43:47] <KotH> av500: too slow
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  • [13:16:05] <jeet_> anyone know of a networking/internet communication/TCP channel? i have a networking related question regarding interfacing of a network camera to transmit video data to c++
  • [13:17:16] <aholler> #42
  • [13:18:34] <av500> jeet_: just ask
  • [13:19:20] <mdp> if firearms and swiss chocolate are on topic..anything is
  • [13:19:24] <jeet_> i have a DLINK network camera (dcs 930l)
  • [13:19:34] <jeet_> as far as i know, it may behave as a web server
  • [13:20:03] <jeet_> i guess i might have to run the install/initialization app again and skim the manual before i have a clear and specific question :(
  • [13:20:13] <jeet_> anyone have any ideas/guidelines who has done it before? or something similar
  • [13:20:35] <av500> done what?
  • [13:20:48] <jeet_> interface a network camera into some program
  • [13:20:57] <jeet_> to read the video data, etc
  • [13:21:19] <jeet_> i will be trying to use tcp/ip sockets i suppose in c++
  • [13:21:24] <jeet_> to set up the connection
  • [13:21:45] <av500> it mentions mjpeg
  • [13:21:54] <av500> so I guess you have a url that spits out raw mjpeg
  • [13:24:29] <KotH> mdp: are you saying, that i define what on topic is? ;)
  • [13:24:39] <av500> whatever stream you get, try to play with mplayer or vlc first
  • [13:25:21] <KotH> jeet_: v4l might help as well
  • [13:25:26] <mdp> KotH: it's a team effort, but you are an important part of the team
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  • [13:38:24] <KotH> what an honour!
  • [13:38:28] * KotH feels very important now
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  • [13:42:21] <av500> KotH: v4l?
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  • [13:42:27] <av500> for a networked camera?
  • [13:44:41] <KotH> av500: i thought they handle everything? dont they?
  • [13:47:07] <dm8tbr> KotH: so mdp gave you a spot on the cool-wall?
  • [13:47:16] <av500> KotH: not yet everything
  • [13:48:32] <KotH> dm8tbr: definitly! :-)
  • [13:48:45] <KotH> av500: oh.. so i have to wait until it makes me coffee?
  • [13:49:28] <jeet_> should i select Wi-Fi Protected Setup (WPS) as the option for connections? can i use my laptop to set up that link?
  • [13:51:03] <av500> I think you are out of your league
  • [13:51:19] <av500> was there no manual with the camera?
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  • [13:52:27] <jeet_> right, i should have that open
  • [13:52:43] <KotH> if everything else fails: read the manual
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  • [14:19:14] <ynezz> another hot TI warez http://pastebin.com/a2U5wUDL
  • [14:20:57] <KotH> where is that from?
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  • [14:21:09] <ynezz> s3cr3t
  • [14:21:12] <KotH> and i think that guy did not understand what msp430s target is
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  • [14:21:23] <KotH> they do _not_ compete with arm, pic or avr
  • [14:21:33] <ynezz> do I care?
  • [14:21:39] <KotH> dunno
  • [14:21:45] <KotH> you cared enough to relate this text to us
  • [14:22:08] <ynezz> just feeding trolls, is that bad?
  • [14:22:25] <KotH> yes
  • [14:22:30] <dm8tbr> omnomnom
  • [14:22:32] <ynezz> ok, I'll stop
  • [14:22:38] <KotH> you should not feed the trolls.. unless it's really good food
  • [14:22:45] <KotH> you know, i'm picky about what i eat
  • [14:22:53] <alan_o> ^^^ true
  • [14:23:05] <alan_o> only the finest chocolates will do :)
  • [14:23:11] <KotH> :-)
  • [14:23:20] <KotH> it's not only chocolate ;)
  • [14:23:24] <alan_o> So an MSP430 was $4.30?
  • [14:23:27] <alan_o> Even that seems high
  • [14:23:30] <av500> the launchpad
  • [14:23:42] <mdp> ynezz: hehe, wonder if he's moving to a "$4.30" arduino now
  • [14:23:48] <ynezz> rpi :)
  • [14:23:49] <KotH> alan_o: taht was at a time, when the cheapest eval board was 200usd
  • [14:23:53] <mdp> LOL!
  • [14:24:03] <ynezz> it's 34.30, but well
  • [14:24:18] <ynezz> more bitbang for the bucks
  • [14:24:26] <alan_o> oh, so he mistyped, it's not 4.30 for just the MCU then
  • [14:24:31] <av500> hmm, its still $5 in estore
  • [14:24:35] <dm8tbr> should just get an RPi is cheaper
  • [14:24:36] <av500> where is it 9.99?
  • [14:25:09] <mdp> av500, it doesn't matter...his list of disappointments is important
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  • [14:25:26] * KotH should probably complain that the MSP430FR5339 launchpad didnt even contain a crystal so he had to buy that seperately
  • [14:25:42] <ynezz> mine did
  • [14:25:48] <mdp> file a grievance!
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  • [14:25:59] <aholler> the first point is at least wrong. I'm using gcc here and a debugger is available too
  • [14:25:59] <mdp> all mine came with a separately packaged crystal
  • [14:26:06] <KotH> oh.kay..
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  • [14:26:13] <mdp> aholler, he's bitching about it not all coming from TI
  • [14:26:15] <KotH> could have been lost on the way to my desk then
  • [14:26:45] <aholler> mine had a crystal too, unsolderable, but it was there ;)
  • [14:26:49] <KotH> but then... we currently order twice a week something from mouser/digikey/farnell.. so getting parts is hardly a problem
  • [14:26:50] <mdp> cause we know how involved atmel was with arduino ;)
  • [14:27:09] <av500> KotH: thank you!!!
  • [14:27:37] <av500> you mentioned the FR and that made me remember where I stashed all my launchpad stuff
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  • [14:27:43] <av500> inside the FR biox :)
  • [14:28:54] <aholler> anyway, someone who wants a ccs for linux can be taken serious ;)
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  • [14:38:42] <aholler> uups, s/can/can't/
  • [14:43:47] * av500 orders 2 more launchpads before they raise the price
  • [14:45:13] <aholler> maybe he confused the msp430 launchpad with the one with the nice rgb-led
  • [14:46:12] <aholler> I order them whenever I need a usb-cable ;)
  • [14:46:43] <av500> yes
  • [14:46:45] <av500> that might be
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  • [14:47:29] <av500> aholler: but then he should have added "and you even change the type of CPU!!!" in his rant
  • [14:48:03] <av500> I ma pissed btw that the launchpadG2 now has a good MSP
  • [14:48:27] <av500> and I have only the measly 2231
  • [14:49:02] <aholler> they got usable?
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  • [14:50:24] <aholler> btw, you've asked about msp and rtc, I have code to read and display rtc, but I never put it into something really usable because I was to lazy to add a battery holder + needed analog foo
  • [14:50:52] <av500> aholler: yes, it now has UART and 512byte RAM
  • [14:50:59] <av500> vs no UART and 128bytes
  • [14:51:02] <aholler> uih
  • [14:51:04] <av500> :)
  • [14:51:06] <av500> I know
  • [14:51:26] <av500> its a friggin MSP430 after all
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  • [14:51:50] <aholler> if you solder the crystal and battery-holder it's good as an rtc ;)
  • [14:52:23] <av500> aholler: do you remember, was there a way to talk to the msp via the debug usb?
  • [14:52:42] <aholler> gdb exists, so there must be one
  • [14:52:59] <aholler> but I'm a source reader and no debugger, so I never used it
  • [14:53:57] <aholler> uups, misunderstood your question
  • [14:54:20] <aholler> yes, there is a way, I've used that to display the time of an attached rtc
  • [14:54:24] <av500> not durin development
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  • [14:55:09] <aholler> but it's 9.6k only, there the rant is true ;)
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  • [14:56:31] <ynezz> well, accusing TI of whacky CDC/ACM/tty Linux drivers isn't fair also :)
  • [14:57:32] <aholler> I never had a problem with the drivers. the limitation of 9.6k is because of the emulation in tusb
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  • [14:57:48] <ynezz> you're lucky one then
  • [14:58:36] <aholler> the way msp430->tusb->acm/linux goes through some obscure emulation in the tusb.
  • [14:58:45] <ynezz> it does happen to me even with other devices using that cdc/acm driver - sudden 5s long lockup of whole machine...
  • [14:58:52] <ynezz> so it's not only tusb related
  • [14:59:05] <aholler> maybe you used ftdi
  • [14:59:21] <aholler> there were several bugs in the ftdi-drivers
  • [14:59:31] * ynezz waits for mru...
  • [14:59:52] <aholler> he got hit by one too ;)
  • [15:00:02] <mdp> av500, never let the facts get in the way of a good rant.
  • [15:00:10] <av500> aholler: do you have a link for that?
  • [15:00:19] <aholler> av500: what?
  • [15:00:24] <ynezz> it's some bug in the cdc/acm driver stack
  • [15:00:25] <av500> [15:58:36] <aholler> the way msp430->tusb->acm/linux goes through some obscure emulation in the tusb.
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  • [15:00:58] <aholler> can't remember, I think I've just read the documentation
  • [15:01:02] <KotH> ynezz: mru is probably already asleep... or still drinking
  • [15:01:17] <aholler> av500: but I can offer you some source snippets
  • [15:02:00] <KotH> av500: why do you have so many msp430 launchpads?
  • [15:02:11] <KotH> av500: i doubt you can use them for your mp3 players, can you?
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  • [15:03:04] <av500> KotH: I just ordered it
  • [15:03:56] <ynezz> aholler: http://ynezz.true.cz/msp430/tiquirk.diff
  • [15:05:17] <ynezz> but even with that patch the lockup happens
  • [15:05:25] <ynezz> somewhere deep in the tty stack
  • [15:05:55] <ynezz> but it was like year ago I've tried to fix it, so I don't remember it correctly
  • [15:06:27] <ynezz> and as I've seen, that they're rewritting tty subsystem in Linux I didn't care more
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  • [15:07:14] <aholler> av500: http://www.msp430launchpad.com/2010/09/simple-adc-example-on-launchpad.html
  • [15:08:03] <aholler> there is the magic inside the msp which uses the tusb for i/o
  • [15:08:43] <aholler> cruel bitbanging ;)
  • [15:09:15] <KotH> av500: ahh.. hunter and gatherer
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  • [15:15:47] <aholler> anyway, the msp never was a replacement for an avr. the clue of the msp seems to be the low power requirements
  • [15:16:11] <aholler> at least that is how I understood it
  • [15:16:11] <av500> yes
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  • [15:16:39] <aholler> so perfect for a rtc ;)
  • [15:17:09] <av500> we used it in some of our players as RTC + power manager
  • [15:17:18] <av500> before PMICs got too complex
  • [15:17:31] <aholler> they just have added a coin cell holder to make that clear
  • [15:17:38] <aholler> +should
  • [15:19:55] <KotH> weren't there msp430 types, that could run from one single AAA cell?
  • [15:20:39] <aholler> sure, but you have to solder and need some additional analog foo
  • [15:20:58] <aholler> e.g. a diode
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  • [15:23:24] <aholler> that's why I stoped my msp-rtc-project ;)
  • [15:25:00] <mdp> need a beagleboard with an msp430
  • [15:25:50] <KotH> aholler: what has soldering with the operation voltage to do? and why do you need analog foo?
  • [15:26:17] <KotH> just the msp430, some crystal, and some display
  • [15:27:01] <aholler> you need the diode to switch between usb-power and battery
  • [15:27:21] <KotH> ah..
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  • [15:27:38] <KotH> aholler: short the diode with a fet when no usb is connected
  • [15:28:02] <aholler> I just bought an rtc with battery-holder ;)
  • [15:28:07] <KotH> *g*
  • [15:28:33] <KotH> but that's not half as geeky as your own, self made rtc!
  • [15:29:09] <mdp> you could do it with the PRU
  • [15:29:26] <aholler> battery-powered pru?
  • [15:29:36] <mdp> yeah, it can do anything
  • [15:30:02] <KotH> maybe we should design a beagle board with an msp430 as central processor... and call it chiuauaboard
  • [15:30:13] <aholler> mdp: but I've heared it's future got efused
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  • [15:30:24] <mdp> *groan*
  • [15:31:56] * KotH pulls the dagger out of mdps back
  • [15:35:01] <mdp> thanks
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  • [15:36:29] <KotH> you're welcome
  • [15:37:01] <aholler> it's like ecc, ordinary people don't have to use such
  • [15:37:06] <av500> KotH: it exists
  • [15:37:12] <av500> its called the launchpad
  • [15:37:15] <av500> it even has capes
  • [15:37:19] <av500> totally silly ones
  • [15:37:27] <av500> like that "build your own MP3 player one"
  • [15:37:36] <av500> using a dedicated mp3 decoder DSP
  • [15:37:37] <av500> in 2012
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  • [15:39:50] <av500> http://www.ti.com/tool/430boost-c55audio1
  • [15:40:11] <av500> when I saw that I felt like it was 1999 again
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  • [15:40:44] <mranostay> mourning!
  • [15:45:33] <KotH> a wonderfull jihad to you too!
  • [15:45:36] <KotH> av500: heh
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  • [15:46:02] <KotH> av500: i would guess that a 24MHz clocked msp430 should have enough bang to decode mp3
  • [15:46:30] <KotH> but probably for not much more?
  • [15:46:41] <av500> well, if you want to build an mp3 player, you do not start from msp430 +C5000
  • [15:47:01] <av500> not in 2012
  • [15:47:06] <av500> in 2002, yes maybe
  • [15:47:07] <KotH> with would you, as an expert in this field, start from?
  • [15:47:21] <mru> KotH: or both
  • [15:47:25] <av500> well, first of all, you would source one from china
  • [15:47:27] <KotH> cortex-m0?
  • [15:47:36] <KotH> mru: sleep drinking again?
  • [15:47:39] <av500> which would be a single chip solution
  • [15:48:15] <KotH> heh.. yeah... if you intend to sell millions
  • [15:48:22] <KotH> what if you just want to build one for yourself?
  • [15:48:38] <av500> some Mx
  • [15:48:48] <av500> M3 M4
  • [15:49:02] <KotH> not enough punch in the M0?
  • [15:49:06] <av500> no idea
  • [15:49:08] <av500> never used one
  • [15:49:13] <av500> is there mp3 code for it?
  • [15:49:14] <av500> asl mur
  • [15:49:16] <av500> ask mru
  • [15:50:01] <KotH> i know that rockbox has code for armv4 and armv7m... i guess the difference should be small enough that one could port the M3 code to M0
  • [15:50:18] <KotH> if it's not written in c already
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  • [15:51:48] <mru> that's not easy
  • [15:51:58] <mru> m0 is armv6m
  • [15:52:04] <KotH> oh..
  • [15:52:07] <KotH> ok..
  • [15:52:13] <mru> thumb1 only
  • [15:52:14] <KotH> thought it's a subset of armv7m
  • [15:55:41] * KotH notes, sakura taisen ost is quite good for coding
  • [15:58:54] <aholler> http://imagebin.org/249063
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  • [16:01:10] <biot> the plague rolls in
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  • [16:02:27] <mdp> I for one, welcome the plague
  • [16:02:50] <aholler> get a $12 launchpad for that
  • [16:02:51] * KotH bows
  • [16:03:19] <mdp> it can't be worth anything if it's under $25
  • [16:03:25] <mdp> need to raise the price and prove some value
  • [16:04:20] <av500> I calculate everything in r-pis
  • [16:04:39] <av500> a 5$ launchpad is 0.14 rpis
  • [16:05:27] <aholler> so the picture above is worth an rpis ;)
  • [16:05:46] <aholler> or 0.8 if you already own a ble-dongle ;)
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  • [16:07:03] <av500> I love random imagebin http://imagebin.org/249031
  • [16:07:48] <av500> see the awesome channel list
  • [16:08:11] <aholler> that hurds
  • [16:08:32] <av500> ubuntu is in good company
  • [16:08:32] <jackmitchell> he's chasing a lot of smoke and mirrors there
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  • [17:09:21] <biot> this KVM for ARM stuff that's going in 3.9 kind of shocked me -- I had no idea any ARM had virt features at all
  • [17:09:44] <biot> wish I had some need to play with it
  • [17:10:08] <biot> unfortunately I can't think of any reason to play with it, since KVM on my x86 desktop works fine :(
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  • [17:14:31] <mru> biot: cortex-a15 has virt
  • [17:14:46] <biot> yeah, that's what I read just now
  • [17:14:49] <mru> and as a consequence a7 does too
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  • [17:39:53] <koen> biot: how do I get the 'autostuff' dir in libsigrok?
  • [17:40:05] <koen> biot: it's in .gitignore, but autoreconf does need it
  • [17:40:22] <koen> [koen@rrMBP git]$ git grep autostuff
  • [17:40:22] <koen> .gitignore:autostuff/
  • [17:40:22] <koen> Makefile.am:ACLOCAL_AMFLAGS = -I autostuff
  • [17:40:22] <koen> configure.ac:AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIR([autostuff])
  • [17:40:22] <koen> configure.ac:AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR([autostuff])
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  • [18:15:59] <alan_o> people who make code like "} // end while" should be beaten severely.
  • [18:17:00] <koen> yeah
  • [18:17:11] <koen> you need a while() { in front
  • [18:17:15] <koen> otherwise it won't compile
  • [18:18:18] <mranostay> people that use weird text editors as well!
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  • [18:21:54] <alan_o> hehe
  • [18:22:04] <mdp> *evil* text editors
  • [18:22:10] <alan_o> Well, if you knew what text editor I was using right now.....
  • [18:22:21] <alan_o> it's an MPLABX project, which is netbeans.
  • [18:22:22] <mdp> does it start with Visual?
  • [18:22:37] <alan_o> haven't decided whether it's worse than Visual Screwdio
  • [18:22:52] <alan_o> At least it's on Linux, so I think that's the trump card.
  • [18:23:30] <mdp> yay, edma love on -rc1
  • [18:23:33] <mranostay> well alan_o strikes me as *evil*
  • [18:23:57] <mdp> that's the first thing I thought too
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  • [18:25:16] <mdp> Am I Evil? http://i.imgur.com/85e6H50.jpg
  • [18:25:41] <alan_o> hah! that does look pretty evil
  • [18:25:55] <alan_o> mlocke looks distorted
  • [18:26:12] <mdp> that lighting didn't help in that courtyard
  • [18:26:26] <alan_o> round lens, square chip
  • [18:26:42] <alan_o> What was that girl's name?
  • [18:26:54] <mdp> No Name
  • [18:26:57] <mdp> I forget
  • [18:27:14] <alan_o> I think I said about 10 words to her.
  • [18:27:15] <mdp> "Drunk Australian"
  • [18:30:11] <mranostay> I don't remember names even when sober
  • [18:31:34] <ka6sox> mranostay, you didn't have to give away *that* secret.
  • [18:32:41] <mranostay> ka6sox: who are you again?
  • [18:34:07] <ka6sox> heh
  • [18:34:26] <mranostay> WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE?!?! :)
  • [18:35:08] <ka6sox> (and what are we doing coming into your living room)
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  • [18:44:59] <biot> koen: use the autogen script in the root dir, we don't use autoreconf
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  • [18:49:05] <woglinde> biot why not?
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  • [18:49:45] <biot> some very annoying OS-specific hacks in autogen script
  • [18:50:09] * alan_o sings the chorus from Am I Evil in his head repeatedly..... thanks mdp.
  • [18:50:42] <woglinde> hi alan_o
  • [18:50:46] <woglinde> biot shame on you
  • [18:50:48] <alan_o> hey woglinde
  • [18:50:56] <biot> woglinde: I'll take a patch :)
  • [18:51:04] <woglinde> show me the script
  • [18:51:28] <woglinde> I can maybee think about it when cleaning the bathtube
  • [18:51:33] <biot> http://sigrok.org/gitweb/?p=libsigrok.git;a=blob;f=autogen.sh;h=9ee4cd4c4329ea63163b28f95d32b601298a9a99;hb=HEAD
  • [18:51:35] <alan_o> isn't there something about autoreconf being new and not always supported on old systems?
  • [18:51:41] <mdp> alan_o: you are most welcome
  • [18:52:09] <biot> honestly we haven't given it much thought -- just add something whenever a non-linux build breaks
  • [18:52:22] <woglinde> biot lol
  • [18:52:27] <biot> . o O (like any other build system)
  • [18:53:04] <woglinde> you are kidding me with this script
  • [18:55:43] <woglinde> biot why do you need glibtoolize on mac os?
  • [18:56:03] <biot> I don't know, don't use macos
  • [18:56:13] <woglinde> lol
  • [18:56:26] <CareBear\> woglinde : apple ships ancient libtool as "libtoolize"
  • [18:56:26] <woglinde> than asked the person who commited it
  • [18:56:39] <CareBear\> this is basic cross platform knowledge
  • [18:56:58] <woglinde> so install a newer one
  • [18:57:02] <CareBear\> yes
  • [18:57:07] <alan_o> I think you can just run glibtoolize on all systems and be fine
  • [18:57:07] * calculu5 is now known as calculus
  • [18:57:08] <CareBear\> they are all installed as glibtoolize
  • [18:57:11] <woglinde> and put that in a read me
  • [18:57:17] <woglinde> ah gnu prefix okay
  • [18:57:23] <woglinde> I thought glib
  • [18:57:25] <CareBear\> xcode needs libtoolize to be what it is
  • [18:57:33] <CareBear\> think again :)
  • [18:57:47] <woglinde> and thats why I asked about glibtoolize
  • [18:57:47] <alan_o> ^^ me?
  • [18:57:51] <CareBear\> no woglinde
  • [18:58:20] <woglinde> so non problem on none macos to use autoreconf
  • [18:58:22] <woglinde> perfect
  • [18:58:33] <woglinde> case solved
  • [18:58:44] <alan_o> ticket closed?
  • [19:00:38] <biot> I'm just happy it's fixed!
  • [19:00:38] <CareBear\> woglinde : yes it often works
  • [19:00:42] <biot> wait, there was no problem.
  • [19:00:54] * mdp puts the ladder in place and chalks another one up on the big board
  • [19:01:25] <alan_o> I didn't realize the board was _that_ big
  • [19:01:33] <mranostay> that is what she said
  • [19:02:23] * alan_o adds "board" to his list of slang euphemisms.
  • [19:03:03] <mranostay> alanborad.org ?
  • [19:03:04] <alan_o> learn something new every day, apparently.
  • [19:03:27] <alan_o> hey, I like the sound of that
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  • [19:04:37] <woglinde> biot so just write in the readme dont use autoreconf on macos
  • [19:05:14] <mranostay> alan_o: but you forget two things
  • [19:05:54] <alan_o> mranostay: listening....
  • [19:06:05] <mdp> the world waits
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  • [19:18:03] <mrpackethead> I gotta get that cross-compiler stuff working
  • [19:18:32] <woglinde> mrpackethead ?
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  • [19:18:59] <mrpackethead> sorry, wrong window.. but sort of.. Just compiling some code natively on the beaglebone.
  • [19:19:04] <mrpackethead> it can take some time.
  • [19:19:48] <woglinde> ?
  • [19:19:55] <woglinde> crosscompile stuff native?
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  • [19:21:54] <dm8tbr> I think he means that he needs to get cross-compilation working, because native is slowwww. ;)
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  • [19:24:14] <alan_o> So what's the current recommended cross-compiler for bone-related stuff?
  • [19:24:21] * calculu5 is now known as calculus
  • [19:24:23] <mdp> please follow the channel rules...no cross compile talk.
  • [19:24:44] <Crofton|work> bitbake -c populate_sdk the-image-you-like
  • [19:24:48] <alan_o> oh, my bad.
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  • [19:53:38] <mrpackethead> mdp: #beagle has rules?
  • [19:54:07] <Russ> don't ask to ask | be patient
  • [19:54:59] <mdp> no unethical cross compiling discussions
  • [19:55:19] <mdp> off topic is on topic
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  • [19:58:49] <CareBear\> white is the new black!?
  • [19:58:50] <CareBear\> \o/
  • [19:59:18] <CareBear\> say I got this cool new board, it's named after a dessert!
  • [19:59:36] <alan_o> I hope it's still opposite day :)
  • [19:59:42] <prpplague> hehe
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  • [20:01:11] <woglinde> white is the new bitbang
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  • [20:03:21] <mdp> bitbang is on topic
  • [20:03:30] <mdp> don't ask to bitbang
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  • [20:08:26] <_av500_> bitbang?
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  • [20:11:11] <mranostay> alan_o: stop stalking me!
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  • [20:15:53] <panto> g'night
  • [20:16:02] <alan_o> mranostay: I was trying to look up your email address
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  • [20:16:06] <woglinde> nite panto
  • [20:16:13] <mdp> alan_o, creepy
  • [20:16:17] <alan_o> mranostay: which I ended up getting from lkml
  • [20:16:26] <mranostay> still creepy
  • [20:16:32] <alan_o> maybe
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  • [20:19:32] <_av500_> creeper cards
  • [20:20:00] <_av500_> why does each make in uboot recompile everything?
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  • [20:25:43] <woglinde> ?
  • [20:25:55] <woglinde> you always edit the wrong header
  • [20:27:14] <_av500_> I edit nothing
  • [20:28:04] <mdp> _av500_: I asked that too
  • [20:28:11] <mdp> not sure why they bother using make
  • [20:28:30] <_av500_> ah, so its not me
  • [20:29:10] <mdp> nope especially frustrating when you are developing...using -jFOO and you are scrolling back through eternity to find the error message in the one .c you changed
  • [20:29:21] * jluisn (~quassel@187.115.172.24) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
  • [20:29:52] <_av500_> yep
  • [20:30:02] <_av500_> and its not even quiet
  • [20:30:12] <alan_o> barebox :)
  • [20:30:14] * alan_o ducks
  • [20:30:59] * mdp checks the lengthy list of channel rules for 'barebox'
  • [20:31:13] <mdp> ahh yes, TI doesn't support barebox so discussion is forbidden!
  • [20:31:18] <mdp> ;)
  • [20:31:32] <mrpackethead> rule #1, is that the rules are hidden in a now deleted document but hidden on dubious.ru
  • [20:31:42] <mdp> heh
  • [20:31:57] <alan_o> We will tell you what the rules are when you violate them :)
  • [20:32:20] <mdp> we have had time to update the rules wiki!
  • [20:32:26] <mdp> s/have/have not/
  • [20:32:35] <alan_o> Paging Dr. Freud?
  • [20:32:40] <mdp> heh
  • [20:43:55] <_av500_> and billions of identical Makefiles
  • [20:44:34] <_av500_> chtulu-boot
  • [20:46:28] <mrpackethead> i hate it when you patched something ( jack )
  • [20:46:35] <mrpackethead> put it into your build instructions
  • [20:46:42] <mrpackethead> then go back to use it
  • [20:46:44] <mrpackethead> and it does'nt work
  • [20:46:52] <mrpackethead> becuase the patch has been included in the mainstream
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  • [20:54:14] <aholler> I don't have a glibtoolize on my gnu/linux system.
  • [20:54:50] <alan_o> aholler: hmm, I don't either. I guess I was wrong
  • [20:54:51] <alan_o> fun
  • [20:55:59] <aholler> but libtool is evil itself.
  • [20:57:00] <woglinde> haha the daily wtf
  • [20:57:27] <woglinde> again glibtoolize is modern libtool on macos
  • [20:57:42] <mrpackethead> ok, folks, quick question hopefully a quick answer might come. If i have a system ( beaglebone + hardware + software ) that is fully functional and running how i want it, and i want to replicate it 250 times, what would be a good way of cloning it.
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  • [20:57:53] <woglinde> dd
  • [20:58:02] <aholler> tar
  • [20:58:15] <woglinde> cpio?
  • [20:58:29] <woglinde> hm wait
  • [20:58:35] <woglinde> how to clone the hw
  • [20:58:50] <mrpackethead> ok, assume the hardware does'nt need cloining.. it comes in a carboard box
  • [20:58:52] <mrpackethead> :-)
  • [20:59:02] <mrpackethead> that problem is solved, by sending $$$ to clint
  • [20:59:22] <woglinde> buy 250 sdcards and use dd
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  • [20:59:51] <woglinde> re crofton
  • [21:00:00] <woglinde> hm the daily wtf is nice
  • [21:00:11] <aholler> sfdisk + mkfs + tar should be the fast solution.
  • [21:00:23] <aholler> +est
  • [21:01:15] <cmicali> mrpackethea +1 for using dd.. will take a while w/ manual intervention, but is easy
  • [21:03:27] <_av500_> dd is slow
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  • [21:03:36] <_av500_> tgz of the filesystems is faster
  • [21:06:11] <woglinde> hm yes and than resizefs
  • [21:06:17] <woglinde> that could work too
  • [21:06:33] <aholler> why resize?
  • [21:06:49] <woglinde> ah ah no sorry
  • [21:07:03] <woglinde> mixed it with oe extX creations
  • [21:07:13] <woglinde> which you can dd
  • [21:07:18] <woglinde> and than resizefs
  • [21:08:11] <aholler> how evil
  • [21:08:14] <mrpackethead> dd is very slow
  • [21:08:27] <mrpackethead> esp when i have 16GB Sdcards
  • [21:08:42] <cmicali> slow even with bs=1m?
  • [21:08:56] <aholler> it still copies 16gb
  • [21:09:03] <woglinde> aholler why evil?
  • [21:09:04] <mrpackethead> though, most of the 16GB is empty
  • [21:09:40] <cmicali> ah, ok, if most is empty then dd will be much slower than tar
  • [21:09:55] <mrpackethead> the 16GB is for media storage
  • [21:09:59] <mrpackethead> once its doing its job
  • [21:10:02] <mrpackethead> can't clone that
  • [21:10:07] <mrpackethead> because each one is different
  • [21:10:13] <woglinde> yes sure
  • [21:10:52] <aholler> woglinde: because using dd for file system creation is evil.
  • [21:11:16] <aholler> or for backup
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  • [21:12:47] <woglinde> ?
  • [21:16:17] <aholler> it's a sledge hammer method
  • [21:17:25] <_av500_> write a script that partitions and formats
  • [21:17:30] <_av500_> then untar the content
  • [21:17:31] <_av500_> sone
  • [21:19:59] <Kristina> DSS is big and scary.
  • [21:21:19] <_av500_> yes :)
  • [21:21:35] <_av500_> but then tomba wrote a nice linux driver for it
  • [21:24:37] <_av500_> Kristina: dont know what to say, its a complex display subsystem
  • [21:25:31] <_av500_> there is some dss support in uboot that just sets up one framebuffer with a fixed resolution
  • [21:25:36] <Kristina> Porting it isn't going to be easy :(
  • [21:25:51] <_av500_> so if you want a quilkc and dirty way, then just copy that
  • [21:25:57] <Kristina> I ported the DMA code a few days back :D
  • [21:26:18] <Kristina> Surprisingly, the Linux DMA drivers for OMAP were not that Linux-dependent :O
  • [21:26:46] <_av500_> well, dss has all these clock dependencies
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  • [21:27:03] <_av500_> for pixel clocks and functional clocks etc
  • [21:27:35] <Kristina> Does it use a Linux specific subsystem or an OMAP specific subsystem?
  • [21:28:35] <Kristina> ie. the serial port uses the DMA subsystem which is OMAP specific.
  • [21:29:13] <_av500_> you dont need dma for the serial
  • [21:29:27] <_av500_> well, DSS is omap specific
  • [21:29:34] <aholler> use bitbanged vga ;)
  • [21:29:36] <_av500_> and the clk stuff is generic
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  • [21:31:39] <_av500_> sorry, nobody writes linux code with the idea to make parting easy
  • [21:31:42] <_av500_> porting*
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  • [21:43:05] <_av500_> wow, building uboot crashed my toolchain
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  • [21:43:34] <_av500_> mdp: what is the toolchain du jour to use?
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  • [21:49:44] <PRU_EVTOUT_2> you guys are so smart.
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  • [21:54:59] <mrpackethead> _av500_: i was finding dd to be a big hammer, that i did'nt like
  • [21:55:03] <Kristina> _av500_: well, the linux driver for the serial port uses dma
  • [21:55:11] <mrpackethead> and to be honest, was getting some irractic responses
  • [21:56:54] <Kristina> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2196999
  • [21:59:10] <_av500_> Kristina: yes I know, that is the omap specific one, but a std 16550 would work too
  • [22:00:07] <Kristina> Oh well, I have to use the OMAP specific one now ... otherwise it will feel like I ported the DMA stuff for nothing.
  • [22:00:39] <_av500_> fine
  • [22:00:50] <_av500_> you will have 4mbit/s serial without a hitch :)
  • [22:01:23] <Kristina> That's fast!
  • [22:01:25] <Kristina> :O
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  • [22:04:54] <Shadyman> :o
  • [22:05:21] <Kristina> ... or am I missing something?
  • [22:05:28] <Kristina> (I'm not good at this)
  • [22:06:10] <mranostay> O_O
  • [22:06:46] <Kristina> Sometimes I feel like I'm being made fun of :(
  • [22:10:41] <mranostay> Kristina: we would never do that
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  • [22:11:55] <mranostay> NishanthMenon: !!eleven11!
  • [22:12:02] <Shadyman> Kristina: They'd much rather make fun of me.
  • [22:12:04] <NishanthMenon> mranostay, hiya
  • [22:12:09] <Shadyman> Kristina: So you're safe :)
  • [22:12:53] <ka6sox-away> Kristina, don't worry...we all grow scales here.
  • [22:13:09] <mranostay> ka6sox-away: aka die a little on the inside :P
  • [22:14:09] <ka6sox-away> mranostay, something like that.
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  • [22:17:14] <_av500_> Kristina: no, did not mean to make fun of you
  • [22:17:44] <_av500_> omap3 worked long time with the stock serial driver, then TI wrote hte high speed one with DMA
  • [22:18:01] <mrpackethead> _av500_: are there any pointers to creating such a build script that you talked about jsut beofre?
  • [22:18:02] <_av500_> for having just a debug console, the old one was fine
  • [22:18:10] <_av500_> mrpackethead: I did?
  • [22:18:22] <_av500_> look at mkcard.sh
  • [22:19:07] <mrpackethead> thanks.
  • [22:19:19] <aholler> sfdisk -d /dev/source >foo.txt sfdisk /dev/target <foo.txt
  • [22:19:29] <aholler> (exact steps)
  • [22:19:40] <aholler> +;
  • [22:19:53] <mrpackethead> aholler: ta
  • [22:21:40] <aholler> mkfs and tar is basic stuff.
  • [22:22:21] <mrpackethead> basic if yu've done it
  • [22:22:28] <mrpackethead> not so basic if you hav'nt
  • [22:22:38] <aholler> learning it makes sense
  • [22:22:44] <mrpackethead> yes.
  • [22:22:50] <mrpackethead> just havnt had a need to before
  • [22:22:55] <mrpackethead> now i do
  • [22:24:30] <mrpackethead> so what i could end up with, is a build system thats a bit like how I install debian now with mk_mmc.sh
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  • [22:24:51] <mrpackethead> that might be a good starting point
  • [22:25:06] <aholler> I wouldn't call a 4 liner a build system ;)
  • [22:26:20] <_av500_> aholler: everybody starts small
  • [22:26:31] <_av500_> BUILD.BAT
  • [22:26:32] <woglinde> *g*
  • [22:26:42] * mranostay stabs av500
  • [22:26:48] <aholler> av500: but you don't have to call it large
  • [22:27:17] <aholler> only advertising people do such
  • [22:28:20] <aholler> call it a system building framework ;)
  • [22:29:45] <_av500_> mranostay: whats with you lately? going for knife crime?
  • [22:29:49] <_av500_> they took away your guns?
  • [22:32:55] <mranostay> heh
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  • [22:36:41] <Kristina> hehe.
  • [22:37:07] <mru> troll troll troll
  • [22:37:27] <woglinde> mru bar bar bar
  • [22:37:36] <alan_o> baz baz baz
  • [22:37:49] <Russ> hey, how did you know the hostname of my router?
  • [22:38:11] <mranostay> all your base are belong to us
  • [22:38:12] <alan_o> I'm a stalker; ask mranosay
  • [22:38:27] <mranostay> alan_o: what are you emailing me exactly?
  • [22:38:42] <alan_o> I thought I did already.
  • [22:39:14] <mranostay> spam! :)
  • [22:39:19] <alan_o> I just got a newsletter from TotalPhase that talked about the contest you won. Wasn't sure if you get spam from them.
  • [22:39:20] <aholler> is the password hunter2?
  • [22:39:41] <mru> *******?
  • [22:39:44] <Russ> hunter22
  • [22:40:19] <alan_o> mru: http://search.dilbert.com/comic/Asterisk ?
  • [22:40:22] <Russ> I had to change it
  • [22:40:47] <mru> ah, so it's swordfish now
  • [22:40:52] <mranostay> you know someone has done that
  • [22:41:02] <alan_o> swordfish?
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  • [22:41:25] <Russ> Sw0rdfish
  • [22:41:34] <Russ> had to get the right mix of special characters
  • [22:42:02] <alan_o> Sw0rdfissh. Nobody would guess that.
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  • [22:42:52] <Russ> correct horse battery staple
  • [22:43:03] <alan_o> perfect!
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  • [22:48:20] <aholler> bash.org is so funny: http://www.bash.org/?6142 ;)
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  • [22:54:35] <mru> yo prpplague
  • [22:54:47] <prpplague> yo
  • [22:55:37] <prpplague> mru: hows the conference?
  • [22:55:55] <mru> 2 days done, 3 to go
  • [22:56:09] <prpplague> :)
  • [22:57:28] <alan_o> Linaro?
  • [22:57:29] <mranostay> mru: no spock sightings this time?
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  • [22:57:51] <mru> alan_o: yes
  • [22:58:21] <aholler> building sekret cooperate decisions
  • [22:58:23] <aholler> ;)
  • [22:59:03] <mru> keynote today is by some guy from facebook
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  • [23:01:06] <_av500_> 5 days
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  • [23:01:14] <mru> is a lot
  • [23:01:18] <_av500_> yeah
  • [23:01:48] <mru> talks are mostly before lunch
  • [23:01:59] <aholler> many decisions to decide
  • [23:01:59] <mru> then they have this idiotic notion that people would be able to do actual work in the afternoon
  • [23:02:24] <_av500_> I tought in the afternoon is when you NIH things
  • [23:02:40] <_av500_> linaro could use a display server....
  • [23:03:19] <_av500_> mru: ask the FB guy why 65k methods are not enough for everybody
  • [23:03:21] <mru> the ubuntu-wanking has subsided a bit
  • [23:04:54] <aholler> is 65k a number or a term for something?
  • [23:05:13] * mru has no idea what that is about
  • [23:07:04] <_av500_> https://www.facebook.com/notes/facebook-engineering/under-the-hood-dalvik-patch-for-facebook-for-android/10151345597798920
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  • [23:10:05] <aholler> framework builders
  • [23:12:27] <alan_o> _av500_: "all working together in real-time"
  • [23:13:06] <aholler> written by stephen king
  • [23:14:32] <aholler> the future of gnome
  • [23:15:21] <alan_o> I don't think I've read a single positive comment on that page
  • [23:15:31] <alan_o> oh wait, just found one
  • [23:15:40] <mru> must be a sock puppet
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  • [23:18:32] <mranostay> who has time to be positive?
  • [23:20:11] <gmulak> Folks I have been searching for almost two hours on the internet. I am looking to build a very easy to use linux system that either does IRC upon bootup, once it is set, or email. It is for my 85 year old mother who doesn't want to "waste" time learning a computer, but needs to stay in touch with my other brother in Sweeden. Your help would be greatly appreciated.
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  • [23:21:02] <alan_o> gmulak: by "system" what do you mean?
  • [23:21:03] <alan_o> a PC?
  • [23:21:34] <alan_o> That's not really the topic of this channel, but with a stock ubuntu install, you can configure it to launch programs at startup
  • [23:21:43] <alan_o> could make it launch thunderbird and/or xchat
  • [23:21:52] <gmulak> alan_o: A device, when turned on, only does one thing. I saw one beagleboard that just printed out the weather?
  • [23:22:21] <aholler> makeing things easy isn't easy
  • [23:22:28] <alan_o> ^^ +1
  • [23:22:38] <alan_o> It's all "easy" until something doesn't go exactly right
  • [23:22:39] <gmulak> aholler: understood
  • [23:22:51] <alan_o> then it turns out you have to know something, even if "something" is just how to use a mouse
  • [23:23:08] <ds2> just do it.
  • [23:23:14] <ds2> otherwise, pay someone.
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  • [23:23:44] <alan_o> If you want it to not even show a desktop, look at your xinitrc file
  • [23:24:29] <gmulak> alan_o: OK, thank you. Is there such a project that has already been done?
  • [23:24:30] <_av500_> gmulak: buy her an android tablet and install skype
  • [23:24:32] <aholler> just calling irssi at startup and not using X at all might be a solution
  • [23:24:56] <alan_o> aholler: irssi might be a bit much for this particular use case
  • [23:25:10] <alan_o> she'd need a keybinding sheet
  • [23:25:22] <_av500_> what for?
  • [23:25:25] <_av500_> single channel
  • [23:25:30] <_av500_> fixed
  • [23:25:35] <alan_o> maybe so
  • [23:25:36] <aholler> you can configure to enter a channel at startup
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  • [23:26:22] <_av500_> alan_o: wait 'til grandma ops up and kickbans you!
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  • [23:26:29] <alan_o> :)
  • [23:26:30] <aholler> and 80x25 might just be right for grandmas eyes.
  • [23:26:54] <alan_o> maybe you could just use a serial terminal and run a serial line to Sweden
  • [23:27:15] <alan_o> might need to use 422
  • [23:28:17] <gmulak> aholler: Yes, Keyboard, small LCD, and beagleboard. program to start xchat. Doable?
  • [23:28:25] <_av500_> sure
  • [23:28:37] <_av500_> its just SW
  • [23:28:43] <_av500_> anything is doable
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  • [23:29:37] <ds2> it is been done so many times, people loose count
  • [23:30:31] <aholler> gmulak: if you go xchat an android-device might just be enough. you could add a bluetooth-keyboard and mouse for easier usage
  • [23:30:31] <gmulak> I have searched beagleboard, chat, etc so many times. Please point me to a project that has been done?
  • [23:31:09] <aholler> or just buy her a chromebook
  • [23:31:19] <gmulak> aholler: I will try that. Thanks.
  • [23:32:33] <aholler> or a blackberry
  • [23:33:02] <alan_o> aholler: raspberry?
  • [23:33:16] <aholler> or even that
  • [23:33:31] <aholler> but than you have to be able to make it easy
  • [23:33:40] <aholler> s/than/then/
  • [23:34:57] <aholler> but _av500_ is right, skype and you're done.
  • [23:34:59] <gmulak> I have to put it together for her in such a way that it is very much like a standard desktop telephone. She just gets too confused if there are any other options or buttons to click on.
  • [23:35:29] <aholler> there are phones which can do that
  • [23:35:40] <aholler> sip/video-phones
  • [23:35:47] <aholler> buy two, done
  • [23:35:49] <alan_o> can she type?
  • [23:35:55] <gmulak> That is why I went here. I just knew you folks would have a solution
  • [23:36:13] <gmulak> She can dial and she can type. That is about it.
  • [23:37:55] <aholler> http://www.google.de/images?hl=all&q=sip+video+phone
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  • [23:41:44] <gmulak> aholler: Nice - I do need to just do texting though. Very helpful, I appreciate it.
  • [23:45:13] <aholler> there are xmpp command line tools too. might be a better choice than using public irc channel
  • [23:47:13] <gmulak> aholler: OK, a good point aholler. Thank you once again.
  • [23:47:30] <_av500_> gn
  • [23:48:05] <aholler> I've seen one which looked like irssi, but can't remember the name
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  • [23:59:11] <gmulak> aholler: Sorry, I don't quite understand. Irssi is a irc client, correct?
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