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  • [00:17:54] <ka6sox> koenkooi, joel_ what version of 3.2 did you have the audio working with?
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  • [00:22:02] <prpplague> pfefferz: hey i didn't realize they made a animated gif of you at the conference! https://plus.google.com/u/0/106631699076927387965/posts/ik2SFgtzjqS
  • [00:23:48] <mdp> prpplague: that's what marcom looked like when they heard pandaboard.org was down too
  • [00:24:38] <prpplague> mdp: paleeze, marcom could care less
  • [00:25:00] <mdp> prpplague: it's amazing how frantic people get about things that don't matter ;)
  • [00:25:20] <prpplague> mdp: indeed
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  • [00:28:50] <mranostay> prpplague: surprised you haven't set up a speed-dating meetup in Barbados.. you almost have enough cousins :P
  • [00:29:25] <ka6sox> ouch
  • [00:29:34] <prpplague> mranostay: hehe
  • [00:29:40] <prpplague> mranostay: hey, good idea
  • [00:29:47] <ka6sox> mdp: did you enable simple-card?
  • [00:30:35] <mranostay> prpplague: could be a reality show even :P
  • [00:30:36] <Russ> mdp, pandaborad is still up
  • [00:30:47] <mdp> old reliable
  • [00:30:54] <mranostay> +1
  • [00:31:18] <mranostay> prpplague: who dropped the ball on no backups or paying the pandaboard.org bill? :)
  • [00:31:26] <mdp> mranostay, not his problem
  • [00:31:34] <mdp> don't waste his time
  • [00:32:00] * prpplague is not going to point fingers and at this point his only comment "who gives a rat's ass..."
  • [00:32:27] <prpplague> oh btw, i am NOT bitter about it....
  • [00:32:51] <Russ> in about 24hr, why don't you tell us how you really feel
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  • [00:33:03] <mdp> no no, send the email *now*
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  • [00:33:10] <mdp> that 24 hour rule ruins the best emails
  • [00:33:16] <mdp> :P
  • [00:33:33] <Russ> its a thurs 5pm thing, not a 24hr rule
  • [00:33:45] <mdp> prpplague: or better yet...we catch you at the hotel bar to tell the story ;)
  • [00:34:06] <prpplague> mdp: hotel bar is the best bet
  • [00:35:39] <mdp> prpplague: I noted that if I need information from you, that seemed to work well
  • [00:36:02] <mranostay> prpplague: nothing rum can't solve
  • [00:36:04] <prpplague> ssshhh
  • [00:36:07] <mdp> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/140
  • [00:36:41] <mranostay> 24 hour rule?
  • [00:37:16] <prpplague> mranostay: less than 24 hours left at a company
  • [00:37:23] <mranostay> ah :)
  • [00:38:45] <CareBear\> mdp : baby's got back?
  • [00:39:47] <mranostay> prpplague: never put anything you can't take back in writing :)
  • [00:39:56] <prpplague> mranostay: yea
  • [00:40:01] <mranostay> i usually go for the good old verbal stuff i can deny :)
  • [00:40:11] <prpplague> mranostay: exactly
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  • [00:40:58] <mdp> Russ, yes, that rule..very good
  • [00:41:03] <CareBear\> _av500_ : I will defend google fiercly on the ec work that they are doing. they are revolutionizing the PC hardware industry. unless you have a lot of experience in that area be careful what you say.
  • [00:41:13] <mranostay> prpplague: "what he says i told him to 'shove it'? nah i said 'save it'" :)
  • [00:41:23] <prpplague> hehe
  • [00:41:30] <Crofton> "shave it"
  • [00:41:38] <prpplague> that bajan/texican mixed accent
  • [00:41:46] <mdp> CareBear\: you seem to have a strong opinion there ;)
  • [00:42:35] <mranostay> Crofton: TMI!
  • [00:42:59] <CareBear\> mdp : I do
  • [00:43:38] <mranostay> prpplague: is there any old stock of pandaboards?
  • [00:44:26] <mdp> CareBear\: afaik, a system management isn't anything new..though maybe it's new to the commodity PC business..so it looks new to that crowd
  • [00:44:35] <mdp> *sigh*
  • [00:44:36] <CareBear\> I'll explain: the chromebook pixel is the first mass produced machine in at least 10 years which is *not* following the HWvendor-ODM-OEM-market process
  • [00:44:42] <mdp> *system management uC
  • [00:44:46] <mdp> ok, gotcha
  • [00:44:48] <CareBear\> an EC is nothing new
  • [00:45:07] <mdp> you're talking generally..yes, agreed..what they are doing is different
  • [00:45:15] <CareBear\> anyone outside HWvendor and ODM doing not only an EC but in fact the complete system design, that's new
  • [00:45:15] <mdp> as they say, though, it's a halo machine
  • [00:45:30] <mdp> way overpriced for what little the s/w can do
  • [00:45:40] <CareBear\> and anyone at all doing so many components so openly as google are, is the revolution
  • [00:45:40] <Russ> why aren't they just using DT?
  • [00:45:49] <CareBear\> Russ : because they want to run a stock kernel
  • [00:46:00] <CareBear\> mdp : fuck the s/w I couldn't care less about chrome os
  • [00:46:02] <Russ> that's what I said :p
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  • [00:46:25] <mdp> CareBear\: me neither...though it needs a bit of work to be a real linux machine
  • [00:46:33] <CareBear\> mdp : the whole point is that I can buy the thing and hack on not only the EC but also coreboot and the kernel
  • [00:46:41] <CareBear\> mdp : like what?
  • [00:46:43] <mdp> CareBear\: from a product perspective, it seems useless
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  • [00:46:50] <CareBear\> well
  • [00:46:51] <mdp> let's see..I need to dig up the article now
  • [00:46:55] <CareBear\> they have enough money to suck at marketing :)
  • [00:46:58] <mdp> there was stuff that doesn't work
  • [00:47:08] <CareBear\> I'm interested!
  • [00:47:52] <CareBear\> if you're in Europe end of may do come to LinuxTag in Berlin - there will be a workshop on flashing upstream into the chromebook
  • [00:48:00] <CareBear\> downloading+building+flashgin
  • [00:48:03] <mdp> first off..30 seconds more to boot in developer mode
  • [00:48:04] <CareBear\> meh flashing
  • [00:48:20] <mdp> trackpad and touchscreen need support
  • [00:48:23] <CareBear\> goes out after having flashed upstream code
  • [00:48:48] <CareBear\> well yes, they do have their own kernel tree - I guess that code hasn't made it to Linus just yet
  • [00:49:11] <mdp> it's certainly interesting to me as a someday replacement for my 2006 macbook ;)
  • [00:49:22] <CareBear\> seeing how the developers could only publish certain bits to coreboot a few days ago when the hardware was announced I guess that's the same for kernel
  • [00:49:53] <Russ> mdp, except what was the ssd size?
  • [00:50:00] <CareBear\> so replace it
  • [00:50:08] <mdp> 64GB is the larger one I think
  • [00:50:10] <Russ> is it a standard form factor?
  • [00:50:10] <CareBear\> I doubt it would be soldered-in
  • [00:50:14] <mdp> it's all pretty low end
  • [00:50:23] <mdp> 4GB ram, of course
  • [00:50:35] <Russ> and can you take it apart without pulling apart glue
  • [00:50:43] <CareBear\> Russ : yes
  • [00:50:54] <CareBear\> Russ : come to the flashing workshop
  • [00:50:56] <CareBear\> :)
  • [00:51:15] <mdp> CareBear\: the good news is that apparently patches are available for the non-working parts already
  • [00:51:15] <Russ> can you move the location a little bit?
  • [00:51:23] <Russ> and bring an extra one for me too?
  • [00:51:23] <mdp> lol
  • [00:51:27] <CareBear\> :)
  • [00:51:35] <mdp> is somebody giving out free Pixels there?!?
  • [00:51:57] <Russ> recycled pixels, yes
  • [00:52:09] <CareBear\> they said they would pack hardware - I know that they will be showing them off at the expo, I don't think they will give any away
  • [00:52:28] <CareBear\> but I honestly don't know what they plan :)
  • [00:52:45] <CareBear\> mdp : probably those patches could only be sent after the actual announcement
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  • [00:52:57] <mdp> sure
  • [00:53:22] <mdp> I'd be impressed if it had reliable suspend/resume like a mac ;)
  • [00:53:27] <mdp> with linux
  • [00:53:35] <CareBear\> I'm pretty sure it does
  • [00:53:37] <CareBear\> my X60 has
  • [00:53:39] <CareBear\> thanks to coreboot
  • [00:54:06] <mdp> I've been waiting for this mac to die to try again
  • [00:56:26] <mranostay> mdp: drop it a few times
  • [00:57:04] <Russ> don't you have kids?
  • [00:57:18] <mdp> CareBear\: will be interesting to see exact steps for installing on the SSD instead of the demo-mode SD card booting stuff people are showing
  • [00:57:26] <mdp> CareBear\: and then performance ;)
  • [00:57:55] <mranostay> mdp: nothing will beat the way mlocke's macbook died :)
  • [00:58:14] <mdp> mranostay, I was just going to mention knowing somebody whose son peed all over his new macbook pro
  • [00:58:33] <mdp> don't change the baby while surfing the tubes
  • [00:59:12] <ds2> so that's the american one upsmanship for the boy peeing fountain in europe?
  • [01:02:04] <mranostay> america always outdoes europe... always :P
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  • [01:14:55] <Crofton> use these while changing the baby: http://www.amazon.com/The-Peepee-Teepee-Sprinkling-WeeWee/dp/B000EBQ8DI/ref=sr_1_4?s=baby-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1362014062&sr=1-4&keywords=teepee
  • [01:16:19] <mranostay> heh
  • [01:16:37] <mranostay> yeah you aren't selling me on the kids thing at all
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  • [01:18:44] <prpplague> Crofton: projectile vomiting is sooooo much more fun
  • [01:19:38] <mranostay> only way to vomit
  • [01:20:37] <mru> this channel has really gone downhill
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  • [01:21:15] <ds2> only way to go
  • [01:21:41] <mru> well, when I was a kid, it was uphill both ways
  • [01:22:05] <prpplague> mru: projectile vomiting and west indian cousins
  • [01:22:21] <prpplague> mru: that right there is quality conversation
  • [01:23:14] <mru> not complaining about the cousins
  • [01:23:27] <prpplague> hehe
  • [01:23:52] <mranostay> as long as it isn't the cousins projectile vomitting
  • [01:24:04] <prpplague> "Dave's Bajan Dating Service for Nerds"
  • [01:24:50] <mru> so far all it's produced is some pics
  • [01:24:59] <mru> not very impressive
  • [01:25:06] <prpplague> hehe
  • [01:25:46] <prpplague> mru: now that i am not working on panda, time to get some other "bid-ness" going
  • [01:25:54] <mrpackethead> date-cape?
  • [01:26:16] * mru fills out form to get free chromebook
  • [01:26:27] <mru> I knew buying one was a bad idea...
  • [01:26:29] <mranostay> hmmmmm linky-poo?
  • [01:26:38] <mru> no free stuff for you
  • [01:26:48] <mru> if you didn't get the email
  • [01:26:48] * mrpackethead fills in form to get 20m2 of Samsung display material
  • [01:27:10] <mrpackethead> does chrome run andriod?
  • [01:27:16] <mrpackethead> and java
  • [01:27:21] <mru> it runs chrome
  • [01:27:32] <gabrbedd> and javascript
  • [01:29:37] <mrpackethead> geepers, why are half of america boycotting $1 coins
  • [01:29:50] <mrpackethead> i hate $1 notes when i visit the us
  • [01:29:51] <mru> only half?
  • [01:30:06] <mru> have _ever_ seen a $1 coin?
  • [01:30:07] <mrpackethead> i end up with a breifcase full of paper crap
  • [01:30:17] <mrpackethead> we hve $1 and $2 coins here, so does Australia
  • [01:30:20] <mrpackethead> it works just fine.
  • [01:30:23] <mranostay> rare to see one of thos $1 coins
  • [01:30:26] <mranostay> *those
  • [01:30:33] <mru> mrpackethead: where's 'here' to you?
  • [01:30:41] <mrpackethead> New Zealand
  • [01:30:51] * prpplague loves the coins in barbados
  • [01:30:53] <mrpackethead> we also don't have quarters
  • [01:31:09] <mrpackethead> 10c,20c,50c,$1,$2 coins
  • [01:31:16] <mru> in the uk we have ??1 and ??2 coins
  • [01:31:16] <mrpackethead> $5,10,20,50,100 notes
  • [01:31:17] <gabrbedd> mranostay: I hate 1GBP coins when I go to the UK
  • [01:31:28] <mru> euro places have 1 and 2 euro coins
  • [01:31:28] <mrpackethead> mru: its pretty smart
  • [01:31:34] <prpplague> gabrbedd: ugh why?
  • [01:31:38] * prpplague loves those
  • [01:31:39] <mrpackethead> yes, and the euro, and most of asia
  • [01:31:55] <mrpackethead> you can throw coins at the bellhop
  • [01:32:12] <mranostay> makes strip clubs fun i'm sure
  • [01:32:17] <mru> most european countries seem to have a coin worth roughly 1 euro/dollar
  • [01:32:26] <gabrbedd> prpplague: because cash sorts nicely in a wallet, and is clearly labelled "I am a $1 bill"
  • [01:32:35] <mrpackethead> bitcoin comes in $1
  • [01:32:38] <mrpackethead> lol.
  • [01:32:38] <prpplague> mranostay: yea you can never have a good nudiebar in a country with a 1 unit coin
  • [01:32:55] <mru> gabrbedd: US money is anything but clearly labeled
  • [01:32:58] <mranostay> hmm been awhile since i've been to one
  • [01:33:01] <gabrbedd> prpplague: with coins, I have to hold the damn thing up to the light and squint to see "is the .05 EUR or a 1EUR coin??"
  • [01:33:03] <mrpackethead> yes US money is crap
  • [01:33:03] <mru> all the notes look basically the same
  • [01:33:06] * mranostay makes plans for the weekend
  • [01:33:09] <mranostay> :)
  • [01:33:11] <mrpackethead> have they run out of anything other than green ink
  • [01:33:29] <gabrbedd> mru: um, the denomination is ALWAYS in the corner. What's so hard about that?
  • [01:33:40] <mru> have you ever been to any other country?
  • [01:33:51] <gabrbedd> mru: and not just any corner... every damn corner!!
  • [01:33:55] <mru> everywhere else, each denomination is a different size and different colour
  • [01:34:04] <mru> you can tell what a note is a mile away
  • [01:34:04] * prpplague notices a dramatic drop in emails to his ti.com address
  • [01:34:05] <mranostay> i like coins with value
  • [01:34:10] <gabrbedd> mru: yes, and I hate that.
  • [01:34:16] <mrpackethead> mru: the world starts in California, ends in New York
  • [01:34:16] <mranostay> prpplague: can we splam you?
  • [01:34:25] <mrpackethead> theres nothing south of Texas
  • [01:34:26] <prpplague> mranostay: give it a try
  • [01:34:31] * prpplague suspects it will bounce
  • [01:34:40] <mrpackethead> and theres something scary to the north, that no-ones every been to.
  • [01:34:45] <prpplague> mrpackethead: ya damm right
  • [01:35:01] <mrpackethead> lol.
  • [01:35:03] <gabrbedd> mru: and yes, I've been out of the US. I like the way it's done in the US. :-)
  • [01:35:06] <mru> prpplague: yep, oklahoma is a scary place indeed
  • [01:35:11] <mrpackethead> we love the americans.
  • [01:35:29] <mrpackethead> we love the 18 scoop ice-creams
  • [01:35:29] <prpplague> mrpackethead: specially when they don't visit?
  • [01:35:35] * prpplague jokes with mrpackethead
  • [01:35:46] <mrpackethead> and we love the 4litre big surplee
  • [01:35:56] <mranostay> isn't wmat from that weiro place? :P
  • [01:36:10] <mrpackethead> and the 2.2lb of saturated fat that comes with every meal
  • [01:36:13] <prpplague> mranostay: indeed it is bouncing
  • [01:36:33] <prpplague> mranostay: i am guessing TI has decided it wants to give me an early going away present
  • [01:38:46] <gabrbedd> prpplague: So they went ahead and fixed the glitch.
  • [01:39:01] <gabrbedd> prpplague: They always like to avoid confrontation.
  • [01:39:11] <mranostay> hehe
  • [01:40:04] <prpplague> gabrbedd: i just hope they don't ask me to do a TPS report tomorrow before they fire me
  • [01:40:38] <mranostay> prpplague: so Barbados strikes me as one of those countries you can buy citizenship in.. :)
  • [01:40:50] <prpplague> mranostay: uh no
  • [01:42:05] <prpplague> mranostay: in fact it is actually in the requirements for a female bajan who marries someone outside the country has to do a lot more than if it was the other way around
  • [01:42:06] <mranostay> not like the Cayman Islands
  • [01:42:50] <nemik_> rcn-ee: how did you create your ubuntu rootfs images? are they from ubuntu core or linaro?
  • [01:42:50] <mranostay> any offshore banking?
  • [01:42:54] <prpplague> mranostay: simon cowell and tiger woods both tried to get citizenship , and both were refused
  • [01:43:00] <prpplague> mranostay: tons
  • [01:43:17] <prpplague> mranostay: they always have IT openings
  • [01:43:20] <mranostay> prpplague: well i can understand Simon :P
  • [01:43:33] <prpplague> mranostay: they hire IT staff from the states and canada
  • [01:43:39] <pfefferz> prpplague, :)
  • [01:43:39] <prpplague> mranostay: they are down there for a few months
  • [01:43:42] <ka6sox> I can understand Tiger too..
  • [01:43:45] <mrpackethead> i am a citizen of the earth
  • [01:43:51] <rcn-ee> nemik_, it's just a wrapper script around "deboostrap".. it pulls from the ubuntu/debian repo's directly to create an image..
  • [01:43:56] <prpplague> mranostay: then get hitched to a local, and disappear
  • [01:44:01] <rcn-ee> it's basicly what they do to..
  • [01:44:03] <prpplague> mranostay: so the turn over is pretty high
  • [01:44:16] <prpplague> pfefferz: hey bud
  • [01:44:33] <mrpackethead> can i ask an ontopic question, or will that be poo-pooed?
  • [01:44:44] <mrpackethead> lol.
  • [01:44:52] <rcn-ee> ontopic? wrong list. ;)
  • [01:45:08] <mru> use #beagle-ontopic for actual questions
  • [01:45:30] <mranostay> mrpackethead: citizen of the earth... yeah just go to a random country and not leave i'm sure that will go over well :)
  • [01:45:47] <mranostay> can we get back off topic please?
  • [01:45:51] <mrpackethead> I'm running debian on the beaglebone, and got one of those lcd touch screen things.. The screen works, the buttons work.. the touchy feely bit doe'snt.
  • [01:45:58] <nemik_> rcn-ee: ahh ok, thanks. i take it that's not on one of your scripts?
  • [01:46:00] <mru> what are the citizenship requirements on mars?
  • [01:46:19] <mrpackethead> must be able to compile kernels.
  • [01:46:26] <prpplague> mrpackethead: uh i thought this channel was for beagleSQL
  • [01:46:30] <rcn-ee> nemik_, https://github.com/RobertCNelson/omap-image-builder (build_image.sh)
  • [01:46:34] <prpplague> mrpackethead: is beagleboard on topic?
  • [01:46:59] <mrpackethead> prpplague: just
  • [01:47:05] <prpplague> mru: mars was claimed by USSR, didnt you watch pioneer one?
  • [01:47:16] <mru> I did
  • [01:47:23] <mrpackethead> box of bits, just arrived..
  • [01:47:32] <prpplague> no bytes?
  • [01:47:45] <mrpackethead> no, organe box with a dog on the side
  • [01:47:45] <prpplague> mrpackethead: you get a discount if you order in bulk
  • [01:47:47] <mru> you have to assemble those yourself
  • [01:48:20] <rcn-ee> mrpackethead, v3.2 kernel right? yeah i think the config still needs tweaking..
  • [01:48:25] <mrpackethead> rcn-ee: yes.
  • [01:48:32] * prpplague thinks 3 days at ELC is way too short of a time to see friends
  • [01:48:33] <mrpackethead> its not a show stopper
  • [01:48:48] <mrpackethead> i just wnat to use it for my security alarm
  • [01:48:58] <mrpackethead> my wife thinks its weird i have a mouse connected to it
  • [01:48:59] <mrpackethead> :-)
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  • [01:50:16] <nemik_> rcn-ee: ok thanks. i'm not sure at this point whether to choose ubuntu armhf or angstrom for a project. stability is pretty important, any preference for one over the other amongst you guys?
  • [01:51:00] <mru> why are those the only options?
  • [01:51:08] <rcn-ee> nemik_, really the kernel is interchangable between the two.. So it's really left to package selection...
  • [01:51:20] <rcn-ee> and what you like to administer..
  • [01:51:48] <nemik_> mru: they're the ones most support i see, well debian and gentoo as well i suppose. but i prefer ubuntu
  • [01:51:51] * mranostay zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz's
  • [01:52:34] <prpplague> mru: maybe i should start offering a bounty for marring off my wife's cousins
  • [01:52:59] <mranostay> what century is this?
  • [01:53:17] <mru> mranostay: who cares, did you the photos?
  • [01:53:19] <mru> +see
  • [01:53:27] <mranostay> prpplague: i have no goats and cattle to trade :)
  • [01:53:30] <ds2> mrpackethead: the mouse is to power it, right?
  • [01:53:34] <nemik_> thank you rcn-ee. i also can't seem to find an armhf build of Angstrom and the higher performance would be nice, i guess
  • [01:56:54] <rcn-ee> Angstrom really doesn't need an "armhf" variant... As it has already been fully optimized for the core.
  • [01:57:27] <rcn-ee> The armel varient in Debian was just that crappy...
  • [01:57:59] <mrpackethead> rcn-ee: we seem to be getitng pretyt good performacne out of debian
  • [01:58:09] <mrpackethead> (other than can't use the touch screen )
  • [01:58:17] <rcn-ee> yeap, the armhf varient. ;)
  • [01:58:19] <prpplague> mranostay: see you have lots to learn, no cattle, sheep
  • [01:58:22] <nemik_> ah that's good to know
  • [01:58:35] <mrpackethead> i went with debian, becasue its what i use
  • [01:58:38] <mrpackethead> for everything else
  • [01:58:41] <mrpackethead> kind of makes life easy
  • [01:58:50] <mrpackethead> which brings me to another topic
  • [01:59:09] <rcn-ee> me too.. i remember first booting the beagle on Debian Etch (arm) boy was that slow. ;) it's come a long way..
  • [01:59:16] <prpplague> mrpackethead: now there is a phrase i never expected to hear in my lifetime....
  • [01:59:26] <mranostay> mru: maybe we can barter some consulting work for prpplague
  • [01:59:40] <mrpackethead> i have a intel server thats 95% idle, with lots of CPU cores and memory..
  • [01:59:44] <mrpackethead> running debian
  • [01:59:57] <mrpackethead> if i wanted to set up a cross compiler environment
  • [02:00:08] <mrpackethead> whats a sensible approach
  • [02:00:23] <mru> simple approach: download linaro toolchain binaries
  • [02:00:25] <mrpackethead> target is beaglebone.
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  • [02:00:57] <rcn-ee> agree's with mru, way simple, it works, lots of linaro developers working on it, etc...
  • [02:01:07] <mru> or does debian have the cross-compiler packages these days?
  • [02:01:09] <mru> like ubuntu
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  • [02:01:18] <mru> not that I'd ever suggest running ubuntu
  • [02:01:41] <Crofton> heh
  • [02:01:45] <rcn-ee> last i read it was close in "wheezy" but would probally get pushed to next one..
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  • [02:03:23] <mranostay> #ubuntuallthings
  • [02:03:56] <mrpackethead> so, linaro, has its own GCC?
  • [02:04:37] <mru> the linaro gcc releases contain things not yet released upstream and some backports from the 4.8 branch
  • [02:07:30] <mrpackethead> rcn-ee: have you had any more thoughts about getting debian to run on that TI ICE board
  • [02:08:18] <mru> the what board?
  • [02:08:30] <mrpackethead> ICE
  • [02:08:44] <rcn-ee> I got it to atleast boot, then hard crash later while loading modules on v3.8.x...
  • [02:08:50] <mrpackethead> http://www.ti.com/tool/tmdxice3359
  • [02:09:24] <mru> oh, a 335x
  • [02:09:33] <mru> should be similar to bone, no?
  • [02:09:35] <mdp> I wonder who makes the kernel for that one
  • [02:09:51] <mrpackethead> its similar to the bone
  • [02:10:03] <mrpackethead> teh PRU MII is all exposed and connected though
  • [02:10:09] <mrpackethead> and that is of much interest to me.
  • [02:10:14] <rcn-ee> it's very similar to bone.. I'm going to give it a nother try when v3.9-rc1 gets tagged..
  • [02:10:23] <mru> tried booting a bone kernel?
  • [02:11:11] <rcn-ee> nah i swore of the v3.2 bone kernel months ago. ;) I'd image the v3.2 arago one works out of the box..
  • [02:12:26] <mrpackethead> whos got -9mm of PCB
  • [02:12:29] <mrpackethead> grrr.
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  • [02:16:16] <mrpackethead> rcn-ee: i'll follow with interest this
  • [02:16:46] <mrpackethead> being able to deploy something like ethercat has a lot of appeal
  • [02:17:00] <Shadyman> meow
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  • [02:17:39] <mru> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-JCY6RWQ-PAw/UFchwDGUaFI/AAAAAAAACYQ/4jYhbcy-j7A/s420/
  • [02:17:50] <mru> ^^ ethercat?
  • [02:18:19] <prpplague> cat5?
  • [02:19:08] <mrpackethead> ethercat
  • [02:19:32] <mrpackethead> mru.. did you draw that just for.
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  • [02:20:08] <mru> I don't know who drew the cat
  • [02:20:13] <mru> I added the rj45 port
  • [02:20:29] <mrpackethead> thanks.. thats not quite the cat i had in mind
  • [02:20:31] <mrpackethead> but its funny
  • [02:20:52] <mrpackethead> though i need all four paris
  • [02:20:54] <mrpackethead> pairs
  • [02:20:56] <mrpackethead> :-)
  • [02:21:04] <prpplague> mru: hehe when i watch movies i always see hardware items
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  • [02:21:44] <prpplague> mru: https://plus.google.com/u/0/101339419642360856354/posts/1QAKSB4TsyT
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  • [02:22:07] <mru> good one
  • [02:22:41] <prpplague> mru: https://plus.google.com/u/0/101339419642360856354/posts/iKS1WwSmjbf
  • [02:22:53] <mru> that was actually my first thought when I saw the picture just now
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  • [02:23:56] <mdp> mrpackethead: just be sure that you realize you need to do a port to the ice board..the existing dtses will not work for the ice board...different uarts 65910 like on the am335x-evm, etc.
  • [02:24:21] <mrpackethead> yeah, its a non trivial task i suspect
  • [02:24:33] <mru> shouldn't a dt kernel work with any board provided the correct dt data?
  • [02:24:41] <mru> but I suppose that's just the theory
  • [02:24:45] <mdp> erm, it's not a big deal if you know 335x and the board
  • [02:25:24] <mdp> but TI doesn't support linux on that board..so there's nothing available for it
  • [02:25:40] <mru> what do they support?
  • [02:25:53] <mdp> I suspect I'm being trolled ;)
  • [02:29:25] <ka6sox> okay time to take a break...bbl
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  • [02:33:58] <mrpackethead> i asked some TI peopel that question
  • [02:34:38] <mrpackethead> the reason given was that they only think there is applciaitons for RT type stuff
  • [02:35:23] <nemik_> rcn-ee: out of curiousity why did you swear off the b3.2 bone kernel? are the others good enough now? it has problems?
  • [02:36:29] <nemik_> s/b3.2/v3.2
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  • [02:58:56] <Russ> bunch of elc 2013 videos are up
  • [02:59:55] <Crofton> url?
  • [03:00:18] <Russ> https://www.youtube.com/user/TheLinuxFoundation
  • [03:00:40] <Crofton> thanks
  • [03:01:17] <Russ> none of the ones I was really looking for are up yet
  • [03:02:31] <Russ> who the hell is puchenyaka
  • [03:03:59] <prpplague> Russ: omg! did they get me while i was drinking and telling Kevin and Chase my $0.02 about omap?
  • [03:04:24] <Russ> that's the video I was waiting for!
  • [03:04:27] <Russ> NOT UP YET!
  • [03:05:50] <Russ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCfuptSMYss&t=15m35s I liked the other side better
  • [03:06:41] <Russ> er, the other slide
  • [03:06:45] <Russ> hopefully that makes more sense
  • [03:07:32] <prpplague> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101339419642360856354/posts/AyRnz2REq8C
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  • [03:48:52] <mrpackethead> does anyone know how to quickly replicate SD-Cards?
  • [03:51:05] <gabrbedd> mrpackethead: two USB 3.0 card readers && dd ?
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  • [03:51:47] <Russ> do you have a makerbot?
  • [03:52:13] <mrpackethead> yes i do have a dual head replicator..
  • [03:52:22] <mrpackethead> it does'tn squirt bits very well
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  • [03:59:01] <Russ> mrpackethead, can't you use thaht?
  • [04:02:59] <mrpackethead> only in #makebelieve
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  • [04:03:22] <mranostay> *whew* my bbb isn't dead
  • [04:03:34] <mranostay> solder on CTI header was loose
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  • [04:08:15] <mrpackethead> bbb? grrr. everyones got one
  • [04:08:29] <mrpackethead> except the guy who wanting to buy 1500 units from them
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  • [04:09:23] <mranostay> heh same board only useless crap dropped off :)
  • [04:09:54] <mrpackethead> i guess that was your prize for turning up at ELC
  • [04:10:13] <mranostay> koenkooi: sould you emmc image work off a SD card?
  • [04:10:34] <mrpackethead> can you boot from the 2GB memeory?
  • [04:10:40] <mrpackethead> or is it still SD Card?
  • [04:10:43] <mranostay> yeah
  • [04:10:47] <mranostay> either
  • [04:10:49] <mrpackethead> thats a bonus
  • [04:10:56] <mranostay> yeah
  • [04:11:03] <mrpackethead> 2GB is a useful amount of space
  • [04:11:39] <mranostay> more than enough for anything that isn't multimedia
  • [04:11:58] <mranostay> put if you are doing multimedia on SD/eMMC you are insane :)
  • [04:12:01] <koenkooi> mranostay: yes
  • [04:12:19] <koenkooi> mranostay: but there's another image in that same directory that is for a full size uSD card
  • [04:12:29] <mranostay> ah cool
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  • [04:12:59] <mranostay> i think u-boot is hanging on this rev A1 with the hack even
  • [04:13:01] <koenkooi> http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.02.26.img.xz
  • [04:13:14] <mranostay> need to use a max232 here
  • [04:13:19] <koenkooi> use the hack, then write eeprom from uboot
  • [04:13:27] <koenkooi> (ground the TP to get write access)
  • [04:13:59] <mranostay> i wish my max3232 samples would get here
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  • [04:21:39] <mru> cheapskate
  • [04:21:47] <mranostay> guilty
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  • [04:25:20] <mru> free dev boards are a totally different matter
  • [04:25:26] <mranostay> heh
  • [04:25:57] <mranostay> if i'm doing an order to Mouser i'll buy them.. but a few ICs is too expensive :)
  • [04:26:18] <mranostay> i'm going to be sad if they ever turn off my student email
  • [04:26:31] <mru> hehe
  • [04:26:43] <mru> mine still work too
  • [04:27:04] <mru> at least some of them
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  • [04:27:31] <mru> haven't tried them all recently
  • [04:27:37] <mranostay> heh never had a call asking why my shipping address and college are in two different states :)
  • [04:28:11] <mru> hell, I can't remember them all
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  • [04:29:11] <mranostay> koenkooi: you running this server over a DSL line? :)
  • [04:29:23] <mru> he is
  • [04:29:51] <mru> does it still hate tcp ecn?
  • [04:31:25] <mru> or can I finally drop that iptables rule from the firewall?
  • [04:32:25] <koenkooi> mru: I ditched the ISP modem, it's a normal linux box now, so it should do ECN
  • [04:32:46] <koenkooi> mranostay: 100Mbit line, but it seems the connection to the US is being limited
  • [04:32:56] <koenkooi> mranostay: my VPN speeds suck right now :)
  • [04:33:08] <mru> who uses isp modems?
  • [04:36:57] <koenkooi> russ: I forwarded your email, you should get a reply soon
  • [04:37:07] <koenkooi> koenkooi: if not, keep harassing me :)
  • [04:37:32] <mranostay> koenkooi: talking to yourself?
  • [04:37:33] <mru> talking to yourself again?
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  • [04:37:46] <koenkooi> gah
  • [04:37:50] <koenkooi> tab fail
  • [04:37:56] * koenkooi still isn't used to xchat
  • [04:38:07] <mranostay> been to bone daddy's? :P
  • [04:38:19] <koenkooi> not yet
  • [04:38:28] <mru> be a man and use irssi
  • [04:38:45] <Russ> thanks
  • [04:38:53] <koenkooi> that's what I have running in a screen, but I"m trying to do the "linux on the desktop" thing
  • [04:39:13] <mranostay> mru: +1
  • [04:39:29] <mranostay> i bet koenkooi does vnc + xterm too :P
  • [04:39:33] <mru> isn't that just a pile of xterms?
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  • [04:39:47] <koenkooi> blech, vnc
  • [04:41:39] <mrpackethead> so, the bbb was missing?
  • [04:41:40] <mrpackethead> what
  • [04:41:53] <mrpackethead> not so muc missing but what crap got delewted
  • [04:42:38] <_av500_> yarn
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  • [04:44:39] <mranostay> mrpackethead: FTDI chip and PMIC header for one
  • [04:45:10] <mrpackethead> what did anyone use the FTDI for anyway?
  • [04:45:34] <mrpackethead> i certainly didn't
  • [04:45:34] <mru> good riddance on the ftdi
  • [04:45:43] <mrpackethead> which way was it connected?
  • [04:45:57] <mru> the annoying way
  • [04:45:58] <mrpackethead> Serial conencted to the CPU
  • [04:46:10] <mranostay> and crappy jtag
  • [04:46:10] <mrpackethead> or Serial connected to the outsde world?
  • [04:46:31] * mranostay never used the FTDI jtag
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  • [04:47:04] * _av500_ wonders if FTDI triggers mru as does NAND for ds2
  • [04:47:42] <mranostay> heh
  • [04:47:48] <mru> _av500_: wtf are you doing up at this hour?
  • [04:48:29] <_av500_> and you?
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  • [04:48:48] <_av500_> going to EW today...
  • [04:48:59] <mranostay> EW?
  • [04:49:20] <mru> I don't have wife and kids, no need to feign being normal
  • [04:50:23] <_av500_> embedded world
  • [04:50:56] <mranostay> normal is so overrated
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  • [05:21:36] <dm8tbr> _av500_: say hi to esra if you see him :)
  • [05:29:06] <CareBear\> _av500_ : it triggers me
  • [05:29:28] <CareBear\> I really don't like FTDI parts
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  • [06:02:44] <mranostay> who does?
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  • [06:18:48] <mrpackethead> FTDI does.
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  • [07:31:08] <KotH> _av500_: when you stop by by our companies booth, say hi to the guys :)
  • [07:32:39] <mranostay> _av500_: troll his booth!
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  • [07:51:51] <KotH> _av500_: hall 2, booth 328 :-)
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  • [08:43:14] <mrpackethead> morning cheese
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  • [08:47:43] <dm8tbr> mooo
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  • [08:52:54] <mrpackethead> moo ?
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  • [09:20:50] <KotH> apt-get moo
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  • [09:41:21] <mru> moaning
  • [09:44:20] <KotH> gr?ezi herr mru
  • [09:44:30] <KotH> you dont sleep much, do you?
  • [09:49:52] <mru> trolls don't sleep
  • [09:50:29] <KotH> well.. trolls could always sleep troll
  • [09:52:29] <Russ> now you will never sleep http://bombermine.com/#/play
  • [09:53:53] <KotH> oh... kay...
  • [10:05:24] <mrpackethead> mru, do you knos much about the PRU stuff
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  • [10:07:22] <KotH> mrpackethead: mru is our neon guy... especially neon green
  • [10:07:43] <mrpackethead> KotH: is your name mru?
  • [10:07:44] <dm8tbr> soylent-neon-green?
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  • [10:16:19] <KotH> dm8tbr: SOYLENT-NEON-GREEN IS MRU!
  • [10:20:52] <afenkart> anybody tried openocd with latest 3.8 kernel?
  • [10:23:00] <KotH> afenkart: tried what? running openocd on a host running 3.8? or trying to debug a system running 3.8?
  • [10:23:44] <afenkart> system running 3.8, it works fine as long system runs 3.2.18+ but after booting 3.8 I can't stop target.
  • [10:24:10] * KotH has not tried that yet
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  • [12:17:16] <mru> troll troll troll
  • [12:21:05] <jkridner___> you can't troll around here!
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  • [14:09:22] <mru> hey, it's friday in new zealand...
  • [14:09:26] <mru> that's good enough for me
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  • [14:27:30] <prpplague> wheeeee
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  • [14:27:32] <prpplague> red shirt day
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  • [14:33:38] <speakman> Display Class API: ERROR unsupported pixel format!
  • [14:33:51] <speakman> Any idea which pixel formats are supported for AM3517?
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  • [14:40:55] <mru> those listed in the trm
  • [14:44:20] <speakman> Are there any way to set the bpp/color depth in the drivers/video/omap2/displays/panel-*.c definitions?
  • [14:50:23] <speakman> Where is the default color depth set when using "omapdss.def_disp=" kernel parameter?
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  • [15:19:58] <ka6sox> morning
  • [15:20:23] <KotH> hi
  • [15:20:24] <mru> moaning
  • [15:20:40] * KotH hands mru a cup of earl grey
  • [15:21:02] <ka6sox> if anyone tells me that DT is "easier" I will shoot them.
  • [15:21:25] <mru> dt is the future!
  • [15:22:02] <ka6sox> Where is my Hydrogen Powered Flying Car please...
  • [15:22:28] <KotH> waiting for you are your friendly future car dealer
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  • [15:24:01] <ka6sox> heh
  • [15:24:10] <ka6sox> been waiting 40+yrs for that one :P
  • [15:25:45] <KotH> and i guess you will wait for another 40+ years as long as you have TV stations that tell you that solar power is infeasible in the states ;)
  • [15:25:51] <agmlego> ka6sox: You have seen how the typical driver handles two dimensions--do you really want to deal with traffic and idiocy in three?
  • [15:26:16] <ka6sox> agmlego, true
  • [15:26:20] <mru> why stop at three?
  • [15:26:31] <ka6sox> I was amazed to see how well the google self driving car did in traffic last week.
  • [15:27:55] <agmlego> ka6sox: This is because machines are better at that kind of thing than humans.
  • [15:27:56] <agmlego> ;-P
  • [15:28:17] <mru> it's the rise of the machines! run for the hills!
  • [15:28:55] <ka6sox> agmlego, yes, they don't get distracted by Cellphones or Johnny spilling his juice all over his sister.
  • [15:29:19] <agmlego> I, for one, welcome our self-driving automotive overloards.
  • [15:29:58] <ka6sox> mru, my wife wants to be the first to have one of them when they are "commercial"...her current "car" is 2 wheels and has "pedals"
  • [15:30:22] <XorA> pedals are good, I have 6 of them
  • [15:30:23] <mru> a bike works very well in a city
  • [15:30:41] <mru> I'm usually faster than car traffic on one
  • [15:30:43] <ka6sox> mru, ours has Hills....lots of them.
  • [15:30:59] <mru> saves on the gym fees
  • [15:31:05] <XorA> ka6sox: thats what the Dutch say too :-D
  • [15:31:31] <ka6sox> the "Y" is across from us....we never have to go...she does at least 10km/day
  • [15:31:47] <mru> see
  • [15:31:52] <ka6sox> XorA, heh...
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  • [15:32:28] <KotH> ka6sox: the "Y"?
  • [15:32:51] <ka6sox> KotH, YMCA
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  • [15:34:27] <KotH> ka6sox: and what is YMCA for people who do not live in the states? (yes, i've read the wikipedia entry)
  • [15:35:14] <ka6sox> an exercise place.
  • [15:35:21] <ka6sox> (partly)
  • [15:36:47] <ka6sox> moving @ 100kph, chatting on IRC and reading TRMs...too bad this "car" is 40k kgs
  • [15:37:30] <KotH> that's called "tons" :)
  • [15:37:51] <KotH> the time of milimicroseconds and kilomegacycles are over ;)
  • [15:38:22] <ka6sox> then its 20 tonnes
  • [15:38:45] <KotH> non-metric tonnes?
  • [15:38:50] <ka6sox> yes
  • [15:38:54] <ka6sox> well...
  • [15:38:57] <ka6sox> not really
  • [15:39:02] <ka6sox> I gave you the Tare
  • [15:39:07] <agmlego> ka6sox: megagrams, then.
  • [15:39:15] <ka6sox> Weight they had marked on the side
  • [15:40:04] <KotH> in .ch you'd need a special permit for such a "car"
  • [15:40:27] <ka6sox> this one acts like its on "rails"
  • [15:40:35] <KotH> oh..
  • [15:40:37] <KotH> well.. :)
  • [15:40:57] <KotH> then it's a rather slow "car" ;)
  • [15:41:19] <ka6sox> they rarely get over 110kph
  • [15:41:26] <mru> wtf?
  • [15:41:32] <ka6sox> and yes they are "slow"
  • [15:41:32] <KotH> 0_o
  • [15:41:33] <mru> even british trains are faster than that
  • [15:41:43] <ka6sox> mru, yes, we know.
  • [15:41:43] <KotH> even swiss mountain trains are faster than that
  • [15:41:52] <mru> 160kph is fairly normal here
  • [15:41:54] <ka6sox> KotH, yes, we know.
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  • [15:42:05] <mru> KotH: going up or down?
  • [15:42:07] <KotH> ka6sox: still using a steam engine?
  • [15:42:10] <emeb_mac> living in a Foghat song. "Slow ride - take it easy"
  • [15:42:12] <KotH> mru: flat
  • [15:42:31] <KotH> mru: uphil depends on the steepnes, but 60-80 is normal even in steep regions
  • [15:42:36] <ka6sox> KotH, ya..a 4-4-2
  • [15:43:10] <ka6sox> I'm still going faster than the freeway next to me!
  • [15:43:47] * mru points at autobahn
  • [15:44:03] * KotH point at the NSDAP inciative to autobahn the world
  • [15:44:22] <ka6sox> again, we are behind :P
  • [15:44:46] <KotH> by 70+ years :)
  • [15:45:09] <ka6sox> KotH, true.
  • [15:45:18] <mru> if nothing else, at least they do behindness properly
  • [15:45:24] <KotH> juup
  • [15:45:34] <ka6sox> KotH, however I still enjoy this instead of driving down.
  • [15:45:41] <KotH> ka6sox: weird thing is, if you need any high tech devices from the surplus marked, the us is the place to go
  • [15:45:50] <KotH> market*
  • [15:46:01] <ka6sox> mmmmm...strawberries...
  • [15:46:06] <KotH> ka6sox: getting here a used oscilloscope is nearly as expensive as buying a new one
  • [15:46:22] <ka6sox> KotH, oh...I'll bet
  • [15:46:22] <mru> you don't have ebay?
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  • [15:46:50] <KotH> mru: shipping a 10y old monster costs more then the scope itself
  • [15:47:24] <KotH> mru: it's cheaper to fly to NY w/o luggage, get one of those scopes and fly back with it
  • [15:47:42] <speakman> Are there any way to set bpp in bootargs?
  • [15:47:46] <ka6sox> KotH, surely you Jest?
  • [15:47:49] <mru> I have a ~35y old monster scope at my mom's house
  • [15:47:53] <KotH> ka6sox: no i'm not
  • [15:47:59] <mru> still haven't figured a way to get it safely
  • [15:48:01] <KotH> ka6sox: i looked into that stuff when i wanted to buy one
  • [15:48:03] <mru> it's a pretty good scope
  • [15:48:05] <KotH> ka6sox: decided against it
  • [15:48:12] <mru> 150MHz dual-trace
  • [15:48:29] <KotH> mru: i have a 50MHz two channel tec at home...
  • [15:48:40] <KotH> mru: but i'd like to have something more modern... like a 200MHz DSO
  • [15:49:08] <mru> those cheapo analogue ones suck
  • [15:49:26] <KotH> it's definitly not a cheap one... or at least it wasnt when first sold ;)
  • [15:49:32] <ka6sox> I guess I need to get with the programme and retire my Tek 530
  • [15:49:37] <KotH> ah.. you mean the 200MHz DSO
  • [15:49:42] <KotH> nah.. they arent that bad
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  • [15:49:47] <mru> 50MHz smells of cheap
  • [15:49:51] <mru> unless it's from the 60s
  • [15:49:57] <KotH> prolly 80s
  • [15:50:41] <ka6sox> joel_, koenkooi which version of 3.2.X did you have ALSA working right with?
  • [15:51:54] <KotH> ka6sox: have a look at the MSO4104B-6 :-)
  • [15:52:51] <ka6sox> got a spare 10K EUR?
  • [15:53:02] <KotH> 10keur?
  • [15:53:08] <KotH> rather like 25k :)
  • [15:53:15] <mru> for certain values of spare, sure
  • [15:53:34] <KotH> ka6sox: notice the -6
  • [15:53:45] <KotH> ka6sox: it denotes the "additional 6GHz RF input" option :)
  • [15:54:25] <ka6sox> KotH, usually when I look that high I'm using a SA
  • [15:54:32] <KotH> SA?
  • [15:54:42] <KotH> ah..
  • [15:54:45] <ka6sox> Spectrum Analzyer
  • [15:54:51] <KotH> well.. depends on what kind of signals you hav
  • [15:55:06] <ka6sox> mine usually are being "emitted"
  • [15:55:10] <KotH> ka6sox: btw: have you any experience with avalance photodiodes?
  • [15:55:21] <koenkooi> ka6sox: audio never worked for me
  • [15:55:27] <koenkooi> ka6sox: over hdmi that is
  • [15:55:42] <ka6sox> KotH, nope...sorry
  • [15:55:59] <ka6sox> koenkooi, okay...so I am not crazy(well..thats debatable)
  • [15:56:13] <ka6sox> </self-troll>
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  • [15:56:36] <KotH> meh...
  • [15:56:47] * KotH needs some serious analog guys help
  • [15:57:07] <KotH> unfortunately, they are an nearly extinct species
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  • [15:57:17] <KotH> wb prpplague
  • [15:57:41] <ka6sox> KotH, we used Impatt and Avalance Diodes (non photo) for getting to 6Ghz earlier in my career.
  • [15:57:47] <KotH> prpplague: is the expedition to the unknown planed with it's unknown life forms over?
  • [15:58:23] <KotH> ka6sox: hmm...
  • [15:58:42] <KotH> ka6sox: any experiences with the generation of sub-ns pulses with high repetition rate?
  • [15:59:11] <prpplague> KotH: not that i am aware
  • [15:59:19] <prpplague> KotH: bold going where i haven't been before
  • [15:59:25] <prpplague> KotH: last day at TI
  • [15:59:29] <KotH> prpplague: i thought you had a red shirt day?
  • [15:59:53] <prpplague> KotH: yes, my job is being killed
  • [15:59:57] <prpplague> KotH: last day
  • [16:00:09] * KotH hands prpplague a phaser
  • [16:00:13] <KotH> for self defense ;)
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  • [16:00:24] <ka6sox> KotH, we only did sub-uS pulses with semi-high repetition rates...depending on the Target we wished to shoot down...
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  • [16:01:21] <KotH> ka6sox: hmm... i get to easily to 30ns with modern logic and a couple of cheap bjt... but i need to go below that
  • [16:02:07] <ka6sox> I can send you a couple of 2N3904's in an envelope if you want...
  • [16:02:25] <ka6sox> and a few 1N34's
  • [16:02:56] <KotH> components are not the problem, digikey&mouser&co exists
  • [16:03:10] <KotH> the problem is more how do i design a circuit to get into that region
  • [16:03:21] <ka6sox> oh...stripline
  • [16:03:28] <KotH> hmm?
  • [16:03:34] <KotH> how does stripline help there?
  • [16:04:57] <ka6sox> when I started out we used Valves...
  • [16:05:04] <ka6sox> "empty state technology"
  • [16:05:29] <ka6sox> KotH, what are you designing (if you can say)?
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  • [16:05:48] <mru> probably some kind of weapon
  • [16:06:01] <KotH> ka6sox: rubidium based frequency normal based on coherent population trapping ;)
  • [16:06:23] <mru> "swiss madman builds phaser from off-the-shelf parts"
  • [16:06:53] <KotH> ka6sox: basically: two lasers shot into a rubidium vapor cell with an offset of 6.9GHz to each other and a photodiode to detect the absorption
  • [16:07:03] <ka6sox> Amtrak considers a 120mm pipecutter a "Weapon"
  • [16:07:05] <KotH> ka6sox: the problem is to get to the 6.9GHz offset
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  • [16:07:56] <mru> when the tsa people asked if I had anything dangerous in my bag, I said "does dirty underwear count?"
  • [16:07:58] <ka6sox> KotH, you are going to "tune" the lasers with what?
  • [16:08:31] <ka6sox> mru, and you weren't separated out for "special treatment"?
  • [16:08:44] <mru> that had already happened
  • [16:09:17] <mru> I don't remember if it was before or after they detected explosives
  • [16:09:28] <KotH> ka6sox: currently i see 3 ways to do that: 1) modulation of a VCSEL with 3GHz (problem: doesnt work well together with an external cavity), 2) detection of the beat frequency of two lasers with an avalanche photodiode (problem: i cannot find any diode specified for that signal frequency range around 780nm) or 3) use a third, pulsed laser and the non linear effect of two photon absorbtion in a laser diode to get a correlation between the pulse train and
  • [16:10:20] <mranostay> morning friends, trolls, and the overlap on the venn diagram
  • [16:10:35] <mru> you have non-troll friends?
  • [16:10:41] <KotH> greetings friendly guy with the giger counter
  • [16:10:49] <KotH> geiger*
  • [16:11:25] <ka6sox> KotH, Kerr Cell mixing?
  • [16:11:53] <ka6sox> or is that too slow?
  • [16:11:55] <KotH> ka6sox: where would i get my hands on a kerr cell?
  • [16:11:55] <XorA> one alien hahaha, two alien hahaha, three alien hahaha
  • [16:12:11] <mru> KotH: since you're not on g+ I guess you missed my tsa story...
  • [16:12:20] <KotH> mru: i missed it :)
  • [16:12:33] <KotH> ka6sox: but EOM are supposed to get into that frequency range
  • [16:12:57] <KotH> ka6sox: but these are so horribly expensive i could buy myself a cs beam frequency standard for that money
  • [16:13:01] <mru> KotH: I got pulled over for a random check during which they "detected" traces of explosives
  • [16:13:08] <KotH> mru: what?
  • [16:13:22] <mru> took me quite by surprise
  • [16:13:34] <mru> so they did a _very_ thorough search of my bags
  • [16:13:36] <KotH> mru: let me guess, you had still bits of swiss chocolate on your bag?
  • [16:13:59] <mru> by thorough I mean they removed the credit cards from my wallet
  • [16:14:06] <KotH> ouch
  • [16:14:20] <mru> they put it all back just like it was though
  • [16:14:43] <jackmitchell> KotH: does a giger counter count the giggities of glenn quagmire?
  • [16:14:57] <mru> then they did a second patdown, slightly more thorough than the first
  • [16:15:01] <mru> then they let me go
  • [16:15:32] <KotH> jackmitchell: that happens when a german speaking guy writes too much english all day long :)
  • [16:15:41] <KotH> mru: eh...
  • [16:15:52] <KotH> mru: isnt the tsa a very nice organization?
  • [16:16:05] <mru> these ones were quite friendly
  • [16:16:17] <KotH> modulo the credit cards
  • [16:16:17] <ka6sox> KotH, you havent' been here have you...
  • [16:16:26] <KotH> ka6sox: i stay away from the us
  • [16:16:32] <mru> KotH: that wasn't unfriendly
  • [16:16:35] <mru> just thorough
  • [16:16:40] <mru> she put them back
  • [16:16:42] <mru> in the right order
  • [16:16:43] <ka6sox> okay Gents (and trolls)...about to go underground for a bit.
  • [16:16:44] <KotH> ah..
  • [16:16:50] <KotH> mru: thought they took them..
  • [16:17:03] <KotH> ka6sox: going trough hell? ;)
  • [16:17:05] <mru> that would've been rude
  • [16:17:24] <ka6sox> no, just thru the mountains
  • [16:17:40] <ka6sox> (and you thought only the Swiss could do that....)
  • [16:17:53] <KotH> ka6sox: no, the swiss just do it a lot more then other people
  • [16:18:07] <ka6sox> KotH, true...
  • [16:18:08] <mru> and the norwegians
  • [16:18:38] <KotH> ka6sox: i still wish they'd build the swissmetro
  • [16:18:53] <KotH> ka6sox: a county wide high speed railway system, completely underground
  • [16:18:59] <KotH> country*
  • [16:19:20] <KotH> ka6sox: i guess you have no idea for my laser problem ?
  • [16:19:51] <ka6sox> KotH, I am not a Laser Guy...RF Guy...yes...
  • [16:19:58] <koenkooi> root@beaglebone:~# uname -a
  • [16:19:59] <koenkooi> Linux beaglebone 3.8.1 #136 SMP Thu Feb 28 17:01:01 CET 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux
  • [16:20:22] <ka6sox> koenkooi, but with NO audio right?
  • [16:20:30] <KotH> ka6sox: the problem is RF not laser :)
  • [16:20:41] <koenkooi> ka6sox: audio should work on the dvi+audio cape
  • [16:20:47] <KotH> ka6sox: the laser part is well documented
  • [16:20:58] <ka6sox> koenkooi, then where do I get one?
  • [16:21:24] <KotH> ka6sox: just an idea for sub-ns pulses with a >100MHz repetition rate would be enough :)
  • [16:21:46] <ka6sox> KotH, perhaps when I get to the other side.
  • [16:22:25] <koenkooi> ka6sox: the audio setup between dvi+audio and the voldemort bone is very different
  • [16:22:31] <KotH> ka6sox: ok
  • [16:22:51] <ka6sox> ah...okay
  • [16:23:08] <ka6sox> mcasp isn't very friendly.
  • [16:23:38] <KotH> ka6sox: my current idea is to use a fmmt415 avalanche transistor. but the specs for it are rather slimm. so i would need to build a test circuit. unfortunately, i dont have the equipment to supply it with teh 200V it needs, i'd have to build that as well
  • [16:24:10] <ka6sox> the Kerr cell needs 30kV
  • [16:24:21] <KotH> oh.. kay...
  • [16:24:22] <ka6sox> bbiaw
  • [16:24:25] <KotH> have fun
  • [16:24:29] <koenkooi> ka6sox: I wouldn't expect an interface named after a happy meal to work
  • [16:24:53] <ka6sox> koenkooi, its a Scottish Snake.
  • [16:24:56] <KotH> koenkooi: still using old ultrasparcs? :)
  • [16:25:02] <ka6sox> Sorry....Irish.
  • [16:25:13] <mru> I had a sunhme ethernet card once
  • [16:25:16] <mru> worked like a charm
  • [16:25:27] <KotH> sun hardware wasnt bad
  • [16:25:41] <ka6sox> This is like Thomas the Tank Engine...
  • [16:26:06] <KotH> afraid of going into a tunnel?
  • [16:26:14] <ka6sox> wish me LUck!
  • [16:26:27] <mru> there's no such thing as luck
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  • [16:26:35] <KotH> only probability!
  • [16:26:39] <koenkooi> KotH: no, I got rid of them, so no happy meal eth for me
  • [16:26:41] <mru> things happen, or they don't
  • [16:27:13] <mdp> koenkooi: please don't say that name!
  • [16:27:36] <mru> mdp: huh?
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  • [16:28:25] <mdp> ka6sox: indeed, the dvi+audio setup is pretty trivial and the SoS as has been riding around on various EVMs with aic codecs for years..so it is a no-brainer at least
  • [16:28:53] <mdp> mru, V* bone comment above
  • [16:29:08] <KotH> mru: you mean like the guy who sued CERN for endangering the world, who when asked for the probability of creating a black hole at CERN is answered: "50%, it either happens or does not"
  • [16:29:58] <ka6sox> mdp, okay so not fair comparison
  • [16:30:24] <mru> KotH: if you do X, Y happens
  • [16:30:43] <mru> Y may not always be known, but there is no such thing as 'luck' involved in determining it
  • [16:30:46] <ka6sox> mru, oh....so you are a cause/effect man...got it.
  • [16:31:07] <mru> did you ever see one without the other?
  • [16:31:18] <ka6sox> okay on the Set of ST:Insurrection.
  • [16:31:20] <mdp> ka6sox: yeah, analog pb/cap on 2 channels is about is trivial as it gets on that cape..and most evms
  • [16:31:27] <KotH> mru: well.. applying quatum physics, there is indeed luck... or at least probabilities for something to happen or not
  • [16:31:41] <mru> probability != luck
  • [16:32:08] <KotH> luck is just a more poetic word for probability
  • [16:32:30] <mru> speaking of luck _after_ an event is just ridiculous
  • [16:32:37] <ka6sox> Schroedinger's Cat is *still* dead.
  • [16:32:53] <ka6sox> survived being underground
  • [16:33:12] <mru> must be a troll
  • [16:34:44] <ka6sox> koenkooi, when you say the TDA is in "pcm mode" you mean iis instead of SPDIF?
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  • [16:37:05] <ka6sox> mru, trying to be a "little" on topic...
  • [16:37:14] <ka6sox> oh...you mean surviving being underground...got it...(need more coffee)
  • [16:40:04] <mru> coffee, good idea
  • [16:40:17] * KotH goes home to contemplate more on his problem how to build a phaser from off-the-shelf components
  • [16:40:46] <mru> you have such easy problems...
  • [16:41:57] <KotH> yeah.. i always get the easy stuff
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  • [16:47:13] <ka6sox> KotH, enjoy working with Class 1 weapons.
  • [16:48:12] <ka6sox> damned...thought that the G-IV was going to land on *top* of us...
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  • [16:53:02] <ka6sox> ALSA_DEBUG is set
  • [16:53:07] <koenkooi> ka6sox: the monitor says "1280x720 16:9 PCM"
  • [16:53:26] <koenkooi> ka6sox: so the tda is in some form of audio mode
  • [16:53:35] <koenkooi> of course the mcasp is doing nothing
  • [16:54:02] <ka6sox> okay...thats helpful...
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  • [17:04:13] <mdp> CCS?
  • [17:04:16] <ka6sox> bleh...I hate debug kernels...too chatty.
  • [17:04:22] <mru> mdp: that and others
  • [17:04:28] <ka6sox> sifting thru this is going to take a LONG time :P
  • [17:04:37] <mru> they spew files all over the place and refuse to run in a sandbox
  • [17:04:50] <mdp> ka6sox, I hate debug u-boots...too chatty ;)
  • [17:05:02] * mru hates
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  • [17:05:29] <ka6sox> mdp, if this was easy it would be done right?
  • [17:05:42] <mdp> if it was a priority, it would be done
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  • [17:06:02] <mdp> but yes, it's also "different"
  • [17:06:22] <ka6sox> "Beautiful Downtown Burbank"
  • [17:06:49] <mdp> mcasp is extremely flexible..and as you see...the kernel driver makes assumptions due to what has been historically hooked up to it and how
  • [17:08:09] <ka6sox> there is another word I use for things that are too "flexible"...Convoluted :P
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  • [17:08:48] <mru> convolutions can be simplified using an fft
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  • [17:14:02] <ka6sox> 20 more minutes on the "choo choo" then RL takes over :9
  • [17:17:07] <mranostay> ka6sox: where you going
  • [17:17:08] <mranostay> ?
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  • [18:35:08] * mranostay enjoys passive-agressive jkridner
  • [18:35:20] <jkridner> :)
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  • [18:45:00] <panto> then again they were cheap
  • [18:45:11] <panto> that whole linux thing ain't so hard after all
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  • [18:50:04] <mdp> w00t!
  • [18:50:09] <mdp> low cost like RPi
  • [18:50:37] <mdp> easy match in a keyword search for resources
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  • [18:51:29] <mranostay> panto: btw got JTAG working again.. seems solder popped off one of the CTI pins
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  • [19:19:14] <mdp> SNR is plummeting on that list
  • [19:19:37] <mrpackethead> mranostay: pokes
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  • [19:40:49] <mrpackethead> mranostay: morning?
  • [19:41:12] <mru> closer to noon over there, no?
  • [19:41:29] <mranostay> still technically morning
  • [19:41:51] <mru> when did you wake up?
  • [19:42:08] <mrpackethead> i spent a lot of time reading the PRU doco last night
  • [19:42:13] <mrpackethead> hows that for fun
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  • [19:46:32] <mrpackethead> mranostay: those "pulsed" outputs from the PRU, are they just PRU system events
  • [19:47:18] <mrpackethead> i'm looking at some code and the output of the PRU with a scope and i'm not seeing teh pulses
  • [19:47:37] <mrpackethead> im seeing GPIO that looks like ordinary PRU
  • [19:47:46] <mrpackethead> ordinary GPIO i mean
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  • [19:56:12] <mranostay> mrpackethead: you have it muxed correctly? :)
  • [19:56:43] <mrpackethead> well, i'm just running this code
  • [19:56:45] <mranostay> basically r30 is GPI and r31 is GPO
  • [19:56:53] <mranostay> then no :)
  • [19:57:00] <mrpackethead> but the output is correct
  • [19:57:04] <mrpackethead> its not pulsing
  • [19:57:13] <mrpackethead> and theres no flipflop
  • [19:57:16] <mranostay> what code?
  • [19:57:36] <mrpackethead> https://github.com/boxysean/beaglebone-DMX/blob/master/src/dmx.p
  • [19:58:34] <mranostay> ew
  • [19:58:42] <mranostay> he is using GPIOs directly
  • [19:59:10] * mranostay probes mdp for the code shaming
  • [19:59:30] <mrpackethead> not sure why that woudl be considered bad?
  • [19:59:54] <mranostay> well it is non-determistic
  • [20:00:24] <mrpackethead> given (a) it works and (b) it does'nt require any external hardware
  • [20:01:01] <mru> work is such a vague notion
  • [20:01:26] <mrpackethead> mru: the 'thing' produces an output that is acceptable as DMX
  • [20:03:45] <mrpackethead> mranostay: in this code, does the PRU not actually Set the GPIO directly, and passes that back to the main CPU?
  • [20:05:22] <_av500_> gm
  • [20:07:41] <ds2> Hmmmm
  • [20:08:01] <mranostay> it is writing to the GPIO memory mapped registers
  • [20:08:06] <mrpackethead> yes
  • [20:08:18] <mru> over L3?
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  • [20:09:34] * mrpackethead thinks hes about to learn something there
  • [20:10:41] <mranostay> you drop clock cycles everytime to write to memory outside of the PRU
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  • [20:10:57] <mru> an unknown number of cycles
  • [20:11:05] <mru> since you might have to wait for the bus
  • [20:11:06] <mdp> mranostay, that's the one I previously cited as The Wrong Way(tm)
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  • [20:11:24] <mru> mdp: so that's the one everbody copies
  • [20:11:40] <mdp> mru, I'm sure they do
  • [20:11:47] <mru> people are remarkably good at singling out the worst example and copying that
  • [20:12:14] <mranostay> mru: i remember a doc on this though . PRU reference manual? that put it as a few hundred cycles
  • [20:12:20] <ds2> mru: are you saying we can crowd source wrong answers to eliminate them? :D
  • [20:12:44] <mrpackethead> so, in many ways, what this code is doign is copying some data from user space, implementing a timer, and then dumping it back to the CPU to set the i/o
  • [20:13:16] <mru> mranostay: I don't remember a figure, but I can imagine it being potentially quite a few cycles
  • [20:13:28] <mranostay> well userspace should be copying into the PRUs DRAM
  • [20:13:38] <mru> the pru has dram?
  • [20:13:39] <mdp> SRAM
  • [20:13:45] <ds2> mranostay: btw, have you look at using semiconductor sensors in place of your tubes?
  • [20:13:47] <mranostay> yes yes SRAM
  • [20:13:54] <mdp> #exactwords
  • [20:14:21] <mranostay> ds2: nope
  • [20:14:27] <mrpackethead> would i be right in assuming that things could get worse timing wise as your CPU gets busier?
  • [20:14:41] <ds2> mranostay: supposely PIN diode are quite sensitive
  • [20:14:48] <mdp> mrpackethead: s/CPU/SoC/
  • [20:15:03] <mrpackethead> ok,, SoC
  • [20:15:22] <mru> ds2: PIN diode, is that what they use on bank cards?
  • [20:15:23] <mdp> mrpackethead: all you need is some serious traffic on the interconnect
  • [20:15:37] <ds2> mru: could be ;)
  • [20:15:40] <mrpackethead> the L3 interconnect
  • [20:15:41] <ds2> esp if you have a 2 way one
  • [20:15:42] <mrpackethead> ?
  • [20:17:19] <mdp> mrpackethead: yes, L3F in AM335x's case
  • [20:19:14] <mdp> Lyren Brown's Atari expansion port project explains the real world consequences of trying to do stuff out on the interrconnect with PRU
  • [20:19:39] <mdp> just in case you wonder if we are just running a grad course here ;)
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  • [20:19:53] <mranostay> mdp: linky poo?
  • [20:20:20] <mdp> https://github.com/lybrown/abx
  • [20:21:06] <noobish> mranostay: I tried to be a smart ass and find a chain made with links of poo. After all these years, I've found something that doesn't exist on the internet.
  • [20:21:17] <noobish> I think I can disconnect now.
  • [20:21:21] <noobish> I have won.
  • [20:21:29] <mranostay> er ok
  • [20:22:03] <mdp> mranostay, there's comments in his notes about how he ran into theory when trying to work with DRAM, couldn't meet the deadlines to decode 65xx bus cycles
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  • [20:22:30] <mrpackethead> mranostay: for your nixie tube thing, how did you use the PRU I/O?
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  • [20:22:55] <_av500_> bit banged
  • [20:23:00] <mru> noobish: did you check on etsy?
  • [20:23:04] <mdp> mrpackethead: r30/r31
  • [20:23:41] * _av500_ is loaded with small EVMs
  • [20:24:10] <mrpackethead> _av500_ / mdp.. bitbanging is fine.. however from what iv'e been told the ouputs are just pulses and they don't stay in a steady state
  • [20:24:20] <mdp> mrpackethead: another example of native PRU GPO/GPI use: https://github.com/ohporter/b6502/blob/master/pruss/b6502_pruss.p
  • [20:24:22] <mrpackethead> is my understanding correct?
  • [20:24:30] <noobish> no, outputs stay.
  • [20:24:34] <mdp> mrpackethead: no
  • [20:24:35] <mranostay> https://github.com/mranostay/beagle-nixie/blob/master/standalone_clock/pru0_clock.p
  • [20:24:53] <mrpackethead> ok.. because that had me very very confused
  • [20:25:01] <mdp> mrpackethead: sounds like you are thinking of PRUSS "events"
  • [20:25:17] <mdp> which are like other "events" in the SoC
  • [20:25:40] <noobish> do you know of any good event examples?
  • [20:25:59] <mrpackethead> mmm...
  • [20:26:10] <mranostay> noobish: nixie clock :)
  • [20:26:40] <noobish> sweet! i'll take a look.
  • [20:27:09] <mranostay> mdp: steady state are you sure? :)
  • [20:27:48] <noobish> i had an led here blinking very slow with the pru last week.
  • [20:27:55] <noobish> err...shit...last month.
  • [20:28:03] <mranostay> noobish: using GPIOs?
  • [20:28:17] <mdp> mrpackethead: 4.5.2.2.3 and 4.5.2.2.3.4 in spruh73c.pdf
  • [20:28:37] <noobish> pru gpios
  • [20:29:39] <noobish> mranostay, do you use events other than 0? I'm looking for an example of the higher events.
  • [20:31:17] <mranostay> mdp: ah shift out mode?
  • [20:31:38] <mdp> direct is the default
  • [20:31:46] <mdp> lots of options
  • [20:33:40] <mdp> mranostay, dueling github pruss projects ;)
  • [20:33:59] <mdp> mranostay, both doing weird stuff
  • [20:34:03] <mrpackethead> mdp: have you got a link to spruh73c.pdf
  • [20:34:11] <mdp> google, it's cached
  • [20:34:12] <mrpackethead> i have spurh73g.pdf
  • [20:34:24] <mrpackethead> and its missing most of chapter 4
  • [20:34:26] <mdp> logging is on here..I can't give a link ;)
  • [20:34:35] <mrpackethead> rodger
  • [20:34:55] <mdp> perhaps somebody else can send a link to the forbidden fruit
  • [20:35:04] <mranostay> heh
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  • [20:37:30] <mdp> oh, and fwiw, Lyren's comments were on the list: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/beagleboard/NF8zKl29HYk
  • [20:38:55] <mru> never delete old versions of a trm
  • [20:39:20] <ds2> wonder if there is someway to prove it was released as a TRM
  • [20:39:56] <mdp> mru, this is true even if you work for TI ;)
  • [20:40:20] <mdp> never delete anything
  • [20:40:25] <_av500_> ds2: yes, get the md5sum of it into the bitcoin hash chain
  • [20:40:29] <mru> that's true everywhere
  • [20:40:48] <_av500_> old rule, before you delete anything, make a copy
  • [20:40:58] <ds2> if it was, it would be nifty to point out it has been "publish" and this NDA no longer apply
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  • [20:42:26] <mdp> _av500_ deleted it from the internets
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  • [20:43:39] <yc> Can anyone explain about the motor addon for beaglebone?
  • [20:44:13] <mdp> mranostay, Are We Evil?
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  • [20:52:30] <noobish> wait, was the pru reference guide pulled or something?
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  • [21:05:11] <ds2> it should in an addendum/appendix, from what I been told
  • [21:07:53] <mrpackethead> anyway i have version c, which was easily downloadable fro 'dubious.ru'
  • [21:13:12] <mrpackethead> so, mru.. its 'direct' mode we want
  • [21:13:21] <mrpackethead> to get so called 'stable' operation
  • [21:26:35] <mdp> were you using "shift out" mode before?
  • [21:26:54] <mdp> still lost as to where you heard about "pulse outputs"
  • [21:28:16] <mrpackethead> mdp: oh, it was one of the trolls who hangs around here
  • [21:28:29] <mdp> darn trolls
  • [21:28:40] <emeb> trolls? no trolls here. we're all professionals.
  • [21:28:54] <mrpackethead> hes a useful troll though, so we won't subject him to the ridicule.
  • [21:29:08] * bradfa runs from trolls
  • [21:29:19] <emeb> trolls chase him
  • [21:29:27] <bradfa> gahhh!
  • [21:29:29] <mrpackethead> bradfa: are you a hobbit
  • [21:29:35] <mrpackethead> hobbits run from trolls
  • [21:29:47] <bradfa> mrpackethead, I think I'm a bit tall to be a hobbit...
  • [21:29:55] <emeb> or pick their pocketeses.
  • [21:30:13] <mrpackethead> smegal is not a troll
  • [21:30:26] <mrpackethead> shall we play a game
  • [21:30:30] <mrpackethead> if you lose, i'll eat you
  • [21:30:43] <emeb> bilbo picked the talking purse from the pockets of the trolls by the fire.
  • [21:31:54] <_av500_> bradfa: why not a BBB?
  • [21:32:18] <_av500_> can your M3/4 even handle the high speed usb stuff?
  • [21:32:28] <_av500_> what are you going to do with all that data?
  • [21:32:42] <bradfa> _av500_, make an SD card reader
  • [21:32:59] <_av500_> thts a ... novelty
  • [21:33:02] <bradfa> yes
  • [21:33:08] <mrpackethead> this is good
  • [21:33:10] <bradfa> but will teach me quite a lot about SD / MMC and USB
  • [21:33:12] <_av500_> I'd buy one
  • [21:33:22] <mrpackethead> i'm feeling much happier about being able to tackle a project now
  • [21:33:31] <bradfa> BOM cost is like $10 in low quantities for the chips, assuming I can find an M3 to dev on
  • [21:33:35] <bradfa> 3d print a case
  • [21:33:43] <bradfa> Linux driver for mmcblk device
  • [21:33:56] <bradfa> I hate laptops but want to have mmcblk devices on my computer
  • [21:34:40] <bradfa> mrpackethead, due to the hobbits and trolls?
  • [21:34:50] <mrpackethead> yes.
  • [21:34:52] <mrpackethead> trolls
  • [21:35:16] <_av500_> bradfa: but you have heard os USB sdcard readers?
  • [21:35:20] <_av500_> of*
  • [21:35:26] <mrpackethead> its section 19 of the TRU
  • [21:35:30] <mrpackethead> TRM even
  • [21:35:41] <bradfa> _av500_, yes, but most show up as SCSI devices
  • [21:35:41] <mrpackethead> spruh73t.pdf
  • [21:35:49] <mrpackethead> 't' for troll
  • [21:36:15] <_av500_> bradfa: and yours would not?
  • [21:36:18] <bradfa> correct
  • [21:36:33] <_av500_> you want to make a shim driver
  • [21:36:42] <_av500_> that exposes it as mmcblk
  • [21:36:55] <bradfa> ok (I haven't really thought this through much)
  • [21:37:01] <_av500_> np
  • [21:37:08] <_av500_> I rarely so :)
  • [21:37:11] <bradfa> I know it's possible but not the details
  • [21:37:11] <_av500_> do*
  • [21:37:19] <_av500_> its SW, anything is possible
  • [21:37:26] <bradfa> ideally, extra feature would be to have SDIO via USB
  • [21:37:32] <bradfa> via my board
  • [21:37:40] <bradfa> then you could run SDIO cards on a desktop
  • [21:37:47] <bradfa> or anything with USB I guess
  • [21:37:55] <bradfa> not sure anything like that exists
  • [21:37:57] <_av500_> riht
  • [21:38:04] <_av500_> never saw that
  • [21:38:14] <_av500_> so you would run the SD stack on the PC
  • [21:38:19] <_av500_> and use USB as a tunnel
  • [21:38:20] <mranostay> NAND!
  • [21:38:20] <bradfa> basically, yes
  • [21:38:22] <mranostay> NAND!
  • [21:38:23] <mranostay> NAND!
  • [21:38:30] <bradfa> mranostay, quiet you!
  • [21:38:33] <bradfa> :)
  • [21:38:37] <_av500_> operator!!!
  • [21:39:09] <mru> NAAAAAND!!!
  • [21:39:30] <_av500_> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRR!
  • [21:39:33] <bradfa> mru, is that special memory with extra Canadianness
  • [21:39:34] <bradfa> ?
  • [21:39:46] <bradfa> eh?
  • [21:40:21] <bradfa> isn't there NAND inside the SD card? :)
  • [21:40:31] <mru> usually
  • [21:40:34] <mdp> there is magic inside
  • [21:40:47] <bradfa> mdp, is that what makes the smoke?
  • [21:40:53] <mdp> yes
  • [21:41:00] <bradfa> ok, I thought it was tiny trolls
  • [21:41:13] <mdp> others will try to confuse you with the facts or explain it away with science
  • [21:41:17] <mdp> but you heard it here first
  • [21:41:48] <mdp> trolls are magic...so some SD cards have tiny trolls inside...it's implementation dependent
  • [21:42:08] <mdp> the spec allows great latitude here
  • [21:42:26] <bradfa> mdp, ah, ok, that must be the part of the spec that requires NDA
  • [21:42:30] <mru> relatives of maxwell's demons?
  • [21:43:09] <mdp> bradfa, you won't find it in the public version, no
  • [21:43:28] <mdp> even dubious.ru doesn't carry this stuff
  • [21:47:35] <mrpackethead> first pru project coming up.. flash a led
  • [21:47:38] <mrpackethead> how exciting.
  • [21:47:49] <mrpackethead> in the non write to the GPIO mode
  • [21:47:50] <mrpackethead> :-)
  • [21:48:02] <mru> my first flashing LED was done with 2 transistors
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  • [21:48:32] <_av500_> mine flashed a light bulb
  • [21:49:07] <_av500_> and I had only 1 transistor, so I had to multiplex it...
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  • [21:50:17] <mdp> mrpackethead: I did that project too!
  • [21:50:40] <mdp> mrpackethead: try it the wrong way too with GPIOs, for good measure
  • [21:50:53] <mrpackethead> i seem to have done this project many times before
  • [21:51:02] <mrpackethead> every new bit of hardware
  • [21:51:14] <mrpackethead> *surely* we can come up with an alternative to blinking leds
  • [21:51:34] <mrpackethead> helloworld.c has a lot to answer for.
  • [21:51:40] <mdp> toggle on a compressor motor?
  • [21:51:48] <mdp> hrm, no, I think there's a reason we test with leds
  • [21:52:26] <bradfa> shotguns, we need GPIO shotguns
  • [21:52:38] <bradfa> helloworl *BANG*
  • [21:53:07] <mru> bitbanging indeed
  • [21:53:10] <bradfa> +1
  • [21:53:27] <_av500_> assault programs
  • [21:53:38] <mdp> nobody needs a program that powerful
  • [21:53:52] <mru> _av500_: with high-capacity fifos?
  • [21:54:12] <mranostay> +1
  • [21:54:13] <mdp> stockpile the hi-cap fifos now
  • [21:54:28] <mdp> you'll be sorry when you have to service the i/o with no fifo
  • [21:54:42] <mrpackethead> got to port igmp to run with microchips TCP/IP stack
  • [21:54:44] <mrpackethead> that will be fun
  • [21:54:51] <mranostay> when fifos are outlawed only er ...
  • [21:55:30] <mdp> mranostay, we can fabricate our own fifos on fpgas...we'll get around the ban!
  • [21:56:17] <bradfa> in NY you can have 10 bit FIFOs but only if you only every 7 of the bits
  • [21:56:36] <bradfa> plus grammar
  • [21:56:42] <mru> lots of it
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  • [21:57:39] <_av500_> you cna only buy registered fifos
  • [21:58:08] <_av500_> but we need to close the open source loop hle
  • [21:58:10] <_av500_> hole*
  • [21:58:26] <mru> can dt help with that?
  • [22:00:33] <bradfa> mru, only on newer models
  • [22:00:47] * bradfa thinks it's beer o'clock
  • [22:01:07] <mru> damn, no beer in fridge
  • [22:01:21] <mdp> bradfa, you are correct sir!
  • [22:01:32] <bradfa> cya, trolls!
  • [22:01:49] <mru> then again, it's probably a good idea to limit beer intake in the week between conferences
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  • [22:37:54] <mranostay> prpplague: have the rum open yet? :)
  • [22:38:24] <_av500_> it is ever closed?
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  • [22:49:11] <prpplague> mranostay: just opened the beer
  • [22:49:18] * prpplague is totally stressin
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  • [22:55:00] <mranostay> everyone group hug prpplague now
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  • [22:56:04] <prpplague> i really hate leaving a project unfinished
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  • [22:57:40] <mranostay> prpplague: OCD? :)
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  • [23:00:18] <mranostay> prpplague: pandaborad.org should cheer you up
  • [23:00:54] <prpplague> indeed
  • [23:02:01] * _av500_ listens up
  • [23:02:07] <_av500_> do you want it more cheerie?
  • [23:02:34] <_av500_> cowbells?
  • [23:02:42] <_av500_> taco bells?
  • [23:02:46] <_av500_> tinkerbells?
  • [23:02:53] <_av500_> hells bells?
  • [23:03:06] <_av500_> impossibells?
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  • [23:03:24] <_av500_> or les miserabells?
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  • [23:07:58] <Shadyman> _av500_: Those puns are horribell.
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  • [23:10:40] <mranostay> prpplague: can i have an empty bottle?
  • [23:11:01] <prpplague> mranostay: sure
  • [23:11:19] * mranostay hits _av500_ over the head with it
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  • [23:19:49] * mru imagines killing someone responsible for ccs in elaborate ways
  • [23:20:34] * NishanthMenon knows the guy
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  • [23:29:30] <prpplague> NishanthMenon: you just think you know people
  • [23:29:42] <NishanthMenon> prpplague, that is true as well :(
  • [23:30:02] <ds2> hmmmm
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  • [23:48:04] <mru> prpplague: if you assume everybody will stab you in the back first chance they get, you won't be too far off
  • [23:48:19] <prpplague> hehe
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  • [23:48:40] <mru> or at any rate you'll (hopefully) be ready for it when they do
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