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  • [01:00:58] <Dunearhp> I'm suffering from a USB disconnct issue with the Beagleboard XM
  • [01:01:01] <Dunearhp> http://pastebin.com/u34Ehd49
  • [01:02:32] <Dunearhp> I've seen a couple of old threads that seem relevant
  • [01:03:06] <Dunearhp> Does anyone know if the root cause was ever determined?
  • [01:03:46] <Dunearhp> Linux kernel 3.2.28
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  • [01:20:40] <yates> does the stack on a a DM3730 grow up or down?
  • [01:20:44] <yates> bbxm
  • [01:21:05] <yates> i got tired of searching through the 3800-page technical manual..
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  • [01:27:54] <thurbad> should be easy to write a test program with a couple of new and printf functions
  • [01:30:35] <thurbad> erm wait, stack would require function calls with printfs inside them, one calling the other
  • [01:31:05] <thurbad> heap would be new allocations
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  • [02:07:27] <mranostay> hi thurbad
  • [02:07:51] <thurbad> heya
  • [02:11:59] <mranostay> how is it hanging
  • [02:11:59] <mranostay> ?
  • [02:16:30] <mranostay> Tizen Developer Contest? wtf was that :)
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  • [02:19:33] <jakllsch> yates: pretty much all stacks grow down
  • [02:19:46] <jakllsch> HP-PA is one of the few that grow up
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  • [02:29:31] <Russ> mranostay, the contest is to be the first to find a tizen developer
  • [02:29:44] <Russ> and just having a tizen sticker on their back doesn't count
  • [02:31:59] <mranostay> Russ: who hates their career enough to write Tizen apps? :)
  • [02:33:11] <mranostay> sorry MeeGo 3.0 :)
  • [02:33:24] <mrpackethead> who even knows what Tizen is.
  • [02:33:39] <Russ> too soon?
  • [02:33:53] <mranostay> haven't seen a Tizen phone yet
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  • [02:35:47] <toneeee> an adafruit tizen sticker?
  • [02:36:36] <mranostay> no badge for that
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  • [03:00:19] <prpplague> emeb: ping
  • [03:00:37] <emeb> prpplague: hola amigo. que paso?
  • [03:00:59] <prpplague> emeb: hey, playing with some vhdl
  • [03:01:06] <emeb> kewl.
  • [03:01:09] <emeb> you winning?
  • [03:01:13] <prpplague> emeb: no...
  • [03:01:36] <emeb> prpplague: what seems to be the trouble?
  • [03:02:00] <prpplague> emeb: got some code working that will count the frequency for a square wave, but i seem to be missing something for getting to work with a sine wave clock
  • [03:02:43] <prpplague> emeb: got any reference material you could recommend?
  • [03:02:56] <emeb> Ummm...
  • [03:03:04] <emeb> depends on what the issue is.
  • [03:03:21] <emeb> you trying to square up a sine-wave on an input pin?
  • [03:03:59] <prpplague> emeb: yea basically
  • [03:04:46] <emeb> so you need to choose the right configuration for the IOB that's receiving the sine clock...
  • [03:05:15] <emeb> and that's technology/vendor specific. Best place to look is in the various user guides and data sheets for the FPGA you're using.
  • [03:05:42] <emeb> prpplague: what kind of FPGA you using?
  • [03:06:08] <prpplague> ahh ok that gives me a place to start
  • [03:06:21] <prpplague> emeb: playing around with the papilio board
  • [03:06:40] <emeb> OK. so it's a Spartan 3 (not sure if it's 3A or 3E)
  • [03:07:06] <prpplague> yea 3E
  • [03:07:24] <emeb> but there are low voltage swing and schmitt trigger options available that should help with that waveform.
  • [03:08:55] <prpplague> ahh ok thanks, i'll do some reading
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  • [03:10:53] <emeb> prpplague: good luck.
  • [03:11:01] <prpplague> emeb: thanks
  • [03:11:11] <prpplague> emeb: i appreciate the help
  • [03:11:32] <prpplague> emeb: i'll probably get with you at the end of march to see about that work we discussed
  • [03:13:22] <emeb> prpplague: Check out Xilinx UG331, Chapter 10 on IO resources. That should get you started.
  • [03:13:38] <Shadyman> 'lo prpplague
  • [03:13:43] <emeb> prpplague: end of march would be cool.
  • [03:15:29] <prpplague> emeb: thanks
  • [03:15:37] <prpplague> Shadyman: greetings
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  • [03:29:11] <prpplague> emeb: looks like what i need to use is the DCM instead
  • [03:30:17] <emeb> prpplague: use the DCM to sync clocks or multiply/divide them
  • [03:30:40] <emeb> prpplague: but you still need some sort of input structure - the DCM in not an I/O structure.
  • [03:31:23] <prpplague> emeb: ahh
  • [03:32:13] <emeb> you need an IBUF or IBUFG (depending on which pins you're driving the clock to)
  • [03:32:27] <emeb> and the choose the IOSTANDARD that applies.
  • [03:32:38] <emeb> and possibly other attributes.
  • [03:34:01] * prpplague will continue hacking
  • [03:34:04] <emeb> prpplague: often the synthesis tool will infer an IBUF for any signals you bring in/out of the top level of hierarchy
  • [03:34:29] <emeb> but you may want more control, so instantiating it with desired attributes helps.
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  • [03:42:40] * mranostay thinks
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  • [03:43:25] <mranostay> prpplague: btw you need to stop wearing that purple fedora to job interviews :P
  • [03:46:52] <prpplague> mranostay: indeed
  • [03:47:22] * mranostay thinks prpplague's 'indeed' is the same his 'interesting'
  • [03:48:00] <prpplague> hehe
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  • [03:49:07] <Shadyman> mranostay: indeed
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  • [04:02:56] <prpplague> emeb: you ever used this http://ghdl.free.fr/site/pmwiki.php ?
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  • [04:05:00] <emeb> prpplague: no. Seen it before, but not used it.
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  • [04:05:40] <emeb> belay that - I did use it a little long ago, but not lately.
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  • [04:06:11] <emeb> prpplague: for day job I tend to use Modelsim - the free version that Altera provides.
  • [04:06:36] <emeb> I've also used ISIM - the free version that Xilinx provides with their toolsuite.
  • [04:07:00] <prpplague> emeb: ahh
  • [04:08:12] <mranostay> who let the hardware peopple in here? :)
  • [04:08:25] <emeb> mranostay: you're ONE OF US NOW...
  • [04:08:46] <mranostay> crap
  • [04:08:51] <mranostay> can i leave the cult? :)
  • [04:09:07] <emeb> I think that the Eagles had a song about that...
  • [04:17:47] <Shadyman> mranostay: One does not simply LEAVE the cult.
  • [04:22:24] <mrpackethead> beagle is hardware, unfrotatly it needs ome software on it
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  • [04:29:52] <Russ> has anyone made proposals to move past the pinctrl-single dt thing?
  • [04:29:58] <Russ> something with actual names?
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  • [04:50:47] <mranostay> Russ: dreamer?
  • [04:51:14] <Russ> you could say that I am
  • [04:51:23] <Russ> but am I the only one?
  • [04:52:04] <mranostay> #beagle is musical tonight
  • [04:52:43] <ds2> Protoboard life begins...
  • [04:59:52] <mranostay> Russ: this your first talk at ELC?
  • [04:59:56] <mranostay> as well rather
  • [05:00:04] <CareBear\> ds2 : don't forget to document exact steps!
  • [05:00:10] <Russ> mranostay, yup
  • [05:01:55] <mranostay> Russ: slides done?
  • [05:02:06] <Russ> not even close
  • [05:02:15] <CareBear\> how many hours?
  • [05:02:26] <mranostay> hours?
  • [05:02:34] <CareBear\> until you go on stage?
  • [05:03:55] <mranostay> heh around 13 days
  • [05:04:38] <mranostay> so so so glad i'm the first slot again :)
  • [05:05:20] <Russ> 450
  • [05:05:23] <Russ> er, 350
  • [05:06:05] <mranostay> 323 here
  • [05:06:19] <mranostay> er 326
  • [05:07:01] <Russ> closer to 325
  • [05:07:28] * mranostay kicks Russ
  • [05:07:33] <CareBear\> plenty of time
  • [05:08:16] <Russ> I think I'll set up a script to text you every hour on the hour the number of remaining hours
  • [05:10:35] <mranostay> Russ: death row inmates don't even that stress :P
  • [05:11:07] <mranostay> *have
  • [05:11:13] <Russ> sorry, I'll tone it down
  • [05:11:23] <Russ> I'll just make it the number of hours till slides are due
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  • [05:11:54] <mranostay> i have those mostly done
  • [05:12:07] <mranostay> 75% recycled
  • [05:14:36] <mranostay> Russ: still surprised nobodies PRU talk got accepted
  • [05:15:01] <Russ> maybe they thought it was too much advertising a specific feature?
  • [05:15:13] <mranostay> maybe
  • [05:15:50] <mranostay> resubmit "bitbanging: re-explored" next time?
  • [05:16:59] <mranostay> Russ: we should submit a bitbanging BoF for next ELC/ELCE :)
  • [05:18:02] <Russ> I think we need extreme bit banging
  • [05:18:07] <Russ> include edma or something
  • [05:21:26] <yates> ok, this is a problem. glib has a whole bunch of these "test program" tests. how are they supposed to be dealt with when cross-compiling?
  • [05:22:04] <mranostay> probably disabled
  • [05:31:52] <ka6sox> they better be.
  • [05:37:31] <mranostay> hey ka6sox
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  • [05:55:08] <yates> mranostay: i don't see what flag disables them in ./configure --help
  • [05:55:58] <yates> --disable-modular-tests didn't do it - that surelooks like the option to disable this.
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  • [06:02:14] <ka6sox> heya mranostay
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  • [06:04:35] <mranostay> christ what is pointpoint doing...
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  • [06:32:18] <mranostay> and emeb_mac is here
  • [06:32:34] <emeb_mac> yep
  • [06:32:51] <mranostay> ph34r!
  • [06:32:54] <emeb_mac> moved from the office to the lazyboy
  • [06:33:48] <emeb_mac> ka6sox and I have been doing "duelling schematics" this evening.
  • [06:34:15] * ka6sox moves to the La-z-boy
  • [06:34:30] <ka6sox> I've spent the day making parts.
  • [06:34:48] <ka6sox> the schematic will be dirt simple compared to this.
  • [06:35:19] <emeb_mac> that's the easy part - plopping down components and running nets
  • [06:35:31] <emeb_mac> then layout is the fun part :)
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  • [06:35:53] <ka6sox> ya, a few days from that I'm afraid...
  • [06:36:00] <ka6sox> must go thru plan checking first.
  • [06:36:48] * mranostay is thinking of how to make $$$ with his PRU apps :)
  • [06:38:47] <emeb_mac> sell 'em on iTunes store?
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  • [06:39:38] <ka6sox> mranostay, I needed to start with a blank canvas....so I'm good.
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  • [06:42:11] <mranostay> emeb_mac: cute
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  • [06:52:38] <mranostay> emeb_mac: think all in one debugger :)
  • [06:53:33] <emeb_mac> nice
  • [07:01:09] <mranostay> emeb_mac: only thing is thinking about the clock cycles for 'jmp' instructions
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  • [07:02:03] <emeb_mac> going to do a full-on IDE?
  • [07:02:33] <mranostay> heh not me... i know people
  • [07:02:42] <mranostay> i know my limits :)
  • [07:02:51] <ka6sox> mranostay, wait..its not fixed timing?
  • [07:04:21] <mranostay> ka6sox: the PRU?
  • [07:04:33] <ka6sox> ya
  • [07:05:08] <mranostay> yeah it is
  • [07:07:58] <mranostay> i could have 8kb of mov r25,r30 instructions and one jmp to the beginning on one core
  • [07:08:22] <mranostay> and only have one clock cycle wasted out of 8k
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  • [07:11:26] <mrpackethead> i feel like my clocks just wasted.
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  • [07:17:56] <mranostay> emeb_mac: of course it can only be useful for 100 mhz or less as a logic analyzer
  • [07:18:29] <emeb_mac> that's handy
  • [07:19:03] <mranostay> but unlike the OLS i can do it continuously
  • [07:20:40] <mranostay> useful for I2C and SPI
  • [07:21:44] <emeb_mac> stream direct into system RAM.
  • [07:21:50] <emeb_mac> no limits on buffer size.
  • [07:21:58] <mranostay> yes
  • [07:22:05] <emeb_mac> unless you exceed the memory bandwidth...
  • [07:22:09] <mranostay> well of course
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  • [07:22:55] <emeb_mac> sounds handy.
  • [07:23:05] <mranostay> need to get another few bones
  • [07:23:34] <emeb_mac> I see an idea for another cape - a logic analyzer interface w/ programmable levels / thresholds, etc.
  • [07:23:46] <mranostay> emeb_mac: that is were i was going :)
  • [07:24:06] <mranostay> you have all 3 common logic levels on the header for you
  • [07:24:11] <mranostay> 1.8v, 3.3v and 5v
  • [07:24:19] <emeb_mac> and then if you were to get really crazy make a pattern generator too...
  • [07:25:44] <mranostay> we are all crazy here
  • [07:25:58] * emeb_mac doesn't argue
  • [07:26:11] <dm8tbr> good moaning, trolls and gentlemen
  • [07:27:15] <emeb_mac> good evening to you
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  • [07:44:59] <mranostay> dm8tbr: hey troll!
  • [07:50:41] <_av500_> gm trollolols
  • [07:51:11] <mranostay> did it get german in here all of sudden?
  • [07:51:46] <_av500_> germane
  • [07:53:01] <mranostay> _av500_: FOSDEM looked more fun than ELCE
  • [07:55:05] <ds2> wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee bone on battery works
  • [07:55:43] <KotH> en wundersch?ne guete morge alli z?me!
  • [07:55:49] <mranostay> american please
  • [07:56:02] <KotH> get off my turf before i shot you!
  • [07:56:09] <KotH> ;)
  • [07:59:28] <mranostay> i thought the swiss were calm
  • [07:59:51] <KotH> you wanted to be greeted in american, so i did
  • [07:59:52] <_av500_> I am still loling hard at "gnome apps"
  • [08:00:04] <KotH> _av500_: gesundheit!
  • [08:00:06] <_av500_> in a way, they prove I was right
  • [08:00:10] <KotH> _av500_: but what?
  • [08:00:34] <_av500_> gnome apps will package all needed libs
  • [08:00:37] <_av500_> in a sandbox
  • [08:00:46] <_av500_> like commercial linux vendors do for ages
  • [08:00:56] <_av500_> like dll hell, but without the hell
  • [08:01:37] <_av500_> all the distro people that tried for years to disentangle bundled libs ... will love that
  • [08:03:03] <koen> _av500_: I looked at it and the mechanism isn't that bad
  • [08:03:36] <koen> (I expected it to be very bad)
  • [08:04:26] <koen> I like the idea of fs namespaces and containers
  • [08:04:35] <_av500_> sure
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  • [08:04:57] <KotH> any idea why they are doing this?
  • [08:04:58] <koen> but it sucks that you need to ship your own libs for anything that isn't inthe platform
  • [08:05:04] <KotH> what propblem do they want to solve?
  • [08:05:04] <felipebalbi> _av500_: right, actually I liked the idea. It'll make it a lot easier for other people to write linux apps
  • [08:05:14] <koen> KotH: "stable api" type of thing
  • [08:05:15] <felipebalbi> specially with gnome's language of choice
  • [08:05:21] <_av500_> KotH: my problem
  • [08:05:28] <KotH> _av500_: what is your problem?
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  • [08:05:33] <_av500_> KotH: I can run new Windows apps on my 15y old XP
  • [08:05:44] <_av500_> but I cannot run new linux apps on my 3y old install
  • [08:05:47] <KotH> koen: uhm... a stable api is not something you can solve by packaging everything together
  • [08:06:00] <_av500_> KotH: you make the stable api issue go away
  • [08:06:04] <_av500_> you hide it
  • [08:06:08] <_av500_> by bundling all the stuff
  • [08:06:31] <KotH> _av500_: hmm.. are you talking about abi or api stability?
  • [08:06:33] <_av500_> KotH: I can run 15y old windows apps on my win8 install
  • [08:06:45] <koen> KotH: the idea is that 'gnome-base-1.0' is the same on every distro, you bundle everything outside that
  • [08:06:46] <_av500_> KotH: I cannot run 3y old linux apps on my 1day old linux
  • [08:06:57] <KotH> _av500_: and given that drepper is now gone, i expect the libc to get more stable than it used to
  • [08:07:06] <_av500_> its not about libc alone
  • [08:07:18] <KotH> hmm...
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  • [08:07:36] <_av500_> basically, the whole Linux ecosystem is locked into coevolution
  • [08:07:47] <_av500_> kernel, X, toolkits, libs
  • [08:07:51] <_av500_> that can be a good thing
  • [08:08:00] <KotH> _av500_: the only prob i have is running my stone age old civ ctp.. which i basically do in a chroot (due to libc incompatiblity), other than that i have never encountered version problems
  • [08:08:09] <KotH> _av500_: but then, i do not run gnome or kde apps
  • [08:08:15] <koen> "we removed the bios emulator from X, but you need kernel x.y to make it work without"
  • [08:08:59] <KotH> _av500_: the biggest advantage imho is that linux has very little cruft, compared to windows
  • [08:09:23] <KotH> _av500_: but yes, if you have apps that dont work just a couple of years down the road, that can be very annoying
  • [08:10:10] <koen> but do people care for that when it's an 'app'?
  • [08:10:50] <koen> look at the shit happening on ios and android
  • [08:10:59] <KotH> i dont know
  • [08:11:04] <KotH> i'm not joe average
  • [08:11:18] <_av500_> KotH: I agree I am old and therefore biased :)
  • [08:11:23] <koen> 5 years from now means people have replaced their phone 3 times already
  • [08:11:25] <KotH> and actually, beside cell phones and tablets, i have no knowledge what people use
  • [08:12:01] <KotH> _av500_: may i ask where you happend to come across such incompatiblity?
  • [08:12:02] <_av500_> KotH: I still run l3enc with some old libc5 :)
  • [08:12:02] * koen neither
  • [08:12:07] <KotH> o_0
  • [08:12:13] <_av500_> for lulz
  • [08:12:21] <KotH> _av500_: the libc5 was deprecated when i first touched a linux!
  • [08:12:25] <_av500_> see
  • [08:12:35] <KotH> may i call you methusalem? ;)
  • [08:12:41] <_av500_> sure
  • [08:12:52] <_av500_> as long as you leave food and wine at my door step every sunday
  • [08:12:58] <_av500_> good lad
  • [08:13:27] <_av500_> KotH: on my 3y old install, I am contantly running into stuff that is hard to get to work
  • [08:13:51] <_av500_> of course, I could upgrade it, but then I will lose to ability to recompile our company stuff from 5ys ago
  • [08:13:55] <koen> "I work on the backend"
  • [08:14:04] <_av500_> yes yes
  • [08:14:06] <_av500_> VM
  • [08:14:09] <_av500_> i know
  • [08:14:11] <_av500_> I am also lazy
  • [08:14:36] <KotH> _av500_: oh..kay...
  • [08:14:38] <KotH> _av500_: interesting
  • [08:14:54] <KotH> i'm running debian/stale here and never had that problem
  • [08:15:07] <_av500_> maybe its because of Suse :)
  • [08:15:09] <_av500_> I blame cartman
  • [08:15:12] <KotH> lol
  • [08:15:32] <KotH> since when do serbs listen to turkish? ;)
  • [08:15:56] <_av500_> anyway, I bet these gnome apps will drive flameeyes crazy
  • [08:16:03] <KotH> not only him
  • [08:16:18] <KotH> i remember how much flames mplayer got for shipping its own copy of ffmpeg
  • [08:16:52] <_av500_> its all back
  • [08:16:56] <_av500_> bundles libs are back :)
  • [08:18:43] <woglinde> gm
  • [08:18:51] <woglinde> hm ieee membership renewes
  • [08:18:55] <woglinde> renewed
  • [08:19:11] <KotH> you're a bit late, aren't you? :)
  • [08:19:18] <woglinde> only a bit
  • [08:19:33] <_av500_> he is fronm BERlin
  • [08:19:40] <KotH> wasn't the late renewal deadline a week ago?
  • [08:19:43] <_av500_> whats a year...
  • [08:19:50] <KotH> hehe
  • [08:20:00] <woglinde> koth does not matter
  • [08:20:08] <woglinde> they always tell ypou
  • [08:20:23] <_av500_> its a scam
  • [08:21:56] <woglinde> KotH are you member too?
  • [08:22:28] <KotH> ofc
  • [08:22:39] <_av500_> part of the JIHAD group
  • [08:22:45] <woglinde> student account
  • [08:22:50] <woglinde> yes yes
  • [08:23:17] * KotH wonders whether he could apply for a student membership with a psychology course
  • [08:24:05] <woglinde> sure
  • [08:24:23] <_av500_> knauser
  • [08:24:50] * woglinde will put the costs on the tax bill
  • [08:26:15] <_av500_> KotH: show them price of a cup of coffee in your place, they will give you free membership
  • [08:26:18] <_av500_> out of pity
  • [08:26:47] <woglinde> haha
  • [08:27:52] <KotH> _av500_: lol
  • [08:28:15] <KotH> _av500_: knauser? says the guy who went to ELCE as a student ;)
  • [08:28:58] <_av500_> I was there to learn
  • [08:29:16] <woglinde> lol
  • [08:29:19] <woglinde> av500 you cheater
  • [08:29:41] <_av500_> I am thinking of changing my PhD theme into "how to fork your own upstream"
  • [08:30:43] <KotH> _av500_: "a study on the fork of libav and ffmpeg"? :)
  • [08:31:51] <woglinde> phd lol
  • [08:32:54] <KotH> woglinde: admit it, you're just jealous because you didnt have the same idea to save money! ;)
  • [08:33:48] <woglinde> koth no last time my employer paid all
  • [08:34:13] <woglinde> and they need a student subscription with photo ours have no photo
  • [08:34:24] <_av500_> woglinde: international one has
  • [08:34:28] <_av500_> got one for 5???
  • [08:34:34] <woglinde> ah yes
  • [08:34:38] <woglinde> you cheater
  • [08:34:39] <_av500_> and nobody asked for a n ID
  • [08:34:41] <woglinde> *g*
  • [08:34:45] <_av500_> I am not cheater
  • [08:34:48] <_av500_> no*
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  • [08:35:18] <woglinde> hm our library has now smarthphone apps intressting
  • [08:35:26] <_av500_> library?
  • [08:35:31] <_av500_> you can rent out apps?
  • [08:35:48] <woglinde> no
  • [08:35:51] <woglinde> for searching
  • [08:35:56] <_av500_> ah
  • [08:36:06] <_av500_> well, these days, they have ebooks and stuff
  • [08:36:09] <_av500_> one can never know
  • [08:36:49] <woglinde> hm
  • [08:36:56] <woglinde> they have pdf's since 15 years or so
  • [08:37:09] <woglinde> is a pdf an ebook?
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  • [08:39:05] <KotH> _av500_: friend told me yesterday, that their library rents out ebooks
  • [08:39:18] <_av500_> yes
  • [08:39:24] <KotH> including an expiry date and all
  • [08:39:38] <_av500_> yes
  • [08:39:55] <_av500_> and only 7 times because afterwards there are missing pages and dirt ....
  • [08:40:05] <_av500_> kids these days...
  • [08:40:18] <KotH> lol
  • [08:42:16] <woglinde> hm dman I sued the library online account not this much
  • [08:42:24] <woglinde> where is my password
  • [08:43:00] <_av500_> no password if you sue them
  • [08:43:10] <_av500_> even a little
  • [08:43:11] <woglinde> yes
  • [08:43:27] <woglinde> hm but I can renew it tomorrow
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  • [08:47:43] <woglinde> hm intressting jobs from nvidia in berlin
  • [08:48:05] <koen> must make people envious
  • [08:48:06] <KotH> selling your soul, are we?
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  • [08:49:45] <woglinde> ?
  • [08:49:51] <CareBear\> hm they are here?
  • [08:49:57] <CareBear\> maybe in adlershof
  • [08:50:02] <_av500_> they are everywhere
  • [08:50:07] <_av500_> run
  • [08:50:11] <woglinde> CareBear was via linkedin
  • [08:50:13] <CareBear\> you don't want to work in adlershof
  • [08:50:20] <woglinde> CareBear why?
  • [08:50:22] <CareBear\> not here channel but here city
  • [08:50:37] <woglinde> adlershof is not that but
  • [08:50:44] <woglinde> and its near the airport
  • [08:50:47] <CareBear\> because it's half an hour out from the city center
  • [08:50:53] <woglinde> ups s/but/bad
  • [08:51:01] <CareBear\> with a train that doesn't run very reliably
  • [08:51:02] <woglinde> and?
  • [08:51:18] <_av500_> its berlin
  • [08:51:21] <_av500_> OMG berlin
  • [08:51:21] <CareBear\> and there's not much fun going on there, and if you want to have fun you have to spend a lot of time on transport
  • [08:51:28] * CareBear\ spoiled
  • [08:51:36] <woglinde> take a beer with you
  • [08:51:47] <CareBear\> sounds good!
  • [08:52:07] <_av500_> +1
  • [08:52:07] <woglinde> CareBear where do you working?
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  • [08:52:09] <CareBear\> we could play kicker, I might win
  • [08:52:15] <CareBear\> woglinde : ~ friedrichstr.
  • [08:52:43] <woglinde> Awesome Software Engineer, Mobile Apps is funny too
  • [08:52:50] <woglinde> ups from nokia
  • [08:52:56] <_av500_> yes
  • [08:52:59] <CareBear\> ha
  • [08:53:00] <_av500_> the former gate5
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  • [08:53:24] <woglinde> av500 yes
  • [08:53:36] <woglinde> Location & Commerce called now as I see
  • [08:53:52] <woglinde> 88 people have applied haha
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  • [08:54:57] <woglinde> hm for the nvidia job 18 have apllied
  • [08:55:15] <_av500_> says who?
  • [08:55:21] <woglinde> linkedin
  • [08:55:38] <woglinde> http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=&jobId=4582008&srchIndex=0&trk=njsrch_hits&goback=%2Efjs_berlin+nvidia_*1_*1_I_de_*1_50_1_R_true_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2
  • [08:56:56] <ynezz> nice url
  • [08:57:27] <woglinde> *g*
  • [08:58:59] <woglinde> hm ist nvidia arc in fasanen strasse
  • [08:59:03] <woglinde> it is
  • [08:59:21] <ynezz> in city full of hipsters...
  • [08:59:33] <_av500_> meet lennart in the tram
  • [08:59:34] <woglinde> yes
  • [08:59:36] <ynezz> priceless
  • [08:59:42] <woglinde> av500 I never meet him
  • [08:59:55] <_av500_> live in a renovierte altbauwohnung
  • [09:00:04] <_av500_> with all the other people from Schwaben
  • [09:00:05] <woglinde> ynezz in march my our company moves into hipster area
  • [09:00:37] <_av500_> if you need to fly somewhere, you can always drive to Poland
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  • [09:03:07] <ynezz> woglinde: what's the common ratio between male/female hipsters in such areas ?
  • [09:03:29] <woglinde> what is a female hipster?
  • [09:04:00] <dm8tbr> hipsterette? ;)
  • [09:04:07] <ynezz> :D
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  • [09:15:40] <_av500_> ohai: http://code.google.com/p/ppcdroid/
  • [09:15:56] <_av500_> what about 86kdroid?
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  • [09:17:47] <dm8tbr> 6502droid?
  • [09:18:03] <_av500_> mdp: ^^^
  • [09:18:08] <_av500_> PRUdroid
  • [09:19:04] <woglinde> av500 you have to ask mirabilos for m68k
  • [09:19:13] <woglinde> es even porting java to it
  • [09:19:16] <woglinde> hi is
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  • [09:28:15] <KotH> mirabile is still at it?
  • [09:28:17] <KotH> wow
  • [09:28:29] * KotH would have guessed he would get bored after a week or two
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  • [09:36:58] <woglinde> koth hm I only heard
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  • [09:40:07] <mrpackethead> heard what?
  • [09:41:56] <woglinde> that he is about proting java vm to m68k
  • [09:42:06] <woglinde> of course I could ask him in company chat
  • [09:46:29] <mrpackethead> oh thats fun
  • [09:46:58] <mrpackethead> just what we need
  • [09:47:06] <mrpackethead> another variation
  • [09:48:11] <KotH> woglinde: you work together with mirabile?
  • [09:48:35] <woglinde> koth lets say in the same company
  • [09:48:52] <woglinde> was he at fosdem this year?
  • [09:49:34] <KotH> dunno
  • [09:49:38] <KotH> i dont know him
  • [09:49:55] <KotH> i only know he is quite obnoxious
  • [09:50:13] <KotH> and forked bsd because he could
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  • [09:51:34] <woglinde> till later
  • [09:51:52] <mrpackethead> lol..
  • [09:52:02] <woglinde> mrpackethead what is it?
  • [09:52:12] <mrpackethead> what is what?
  • [09:52:21] <woglinde> that you are laughing about?
  • [09:52:39] <mrpackethead> just laughing about people in general
  • [09:52:48] <woglinde> ah right
  • [09:53:01] <mrpackethead> myself included.
  • [09:56:53] <mrpackethead> imagine what could be acheived if we could channel all the smart people to work together to a common cause
  • [09:57:12] <woglinde> yes
  • [09:57:24] <woglinde> but he is special
  • [09:57:33] <woglinde> as many smart people
  • [09:58:03] <woglinde> now really till ltaer
  • [10:00:06] <KotH> mrpackethead: and who would decide what common cause would be worth of all this brain power?
  • [10:00:33] <mrpackethead> that is a differnet problem
  • [10:01:45] * KotH would vote for a death star
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  • [10:03:49] * mrpackethead would vote for a world peach
  • [10:04:05] <KotH> peach?
  • [10:04:09] <mrpackethead> lol.
  • [10:04:25] <mrpackethead> peaches, they are cheap and good right now
  • [10:04:35] <mrpackethead> but world peace would be acceptable
  • [10:04:51] <KotH> how about a big snowing machine f?r z?rich?
  • [10:04:59] <KotH> or even better for all of switzerland?
  • [10:05:08] <mrpackethead> maybe they can work on solving the USA's Gun problem
  • [10:05:10] <KotH> that would give us beautiful mountains of snow
  • [10:05:29] <mrpackethead> You have great mountains already though
  • [10:05:30] <KotH> oh, that's easy to solve: shot everyone who owns a gun on sight
  • [10:05:50] <KotH> yes, but they are not snowy enough... and the cities could use more snow as well
  • [10:06:03] <mrpackethead> only the swiss are crazy enough to build a railway to a station at 12,000'
  • [10:06:58] <mrpackethead> and an observatory where you count something dropping otu of the sky.
  • [10:07:00] <mrpackethead> :-)
  • [10:07:08] <KotH> because we could ;)
  • [10:07:49] <KotH> hey, the germans started to stack stones on top of the zugspitze because an austrian mountain just across the boarder got a couple of meters higher as they build a station on top of it
  • [10:09:23] <koen> KotH: I need more datapoints to come to a decision about swiss vs italian chocolates
  • [10:10:00] <KotH> koen: good, come over here and we have a nice chat
  • [10:10:27] <mrpackethead> belgin chocolate
  • [10:10:48] <mrpackethead> or even the Chocolate made in teh USA of all palces
  • [10:10:54] <mrpackethead> not that herseys crap
  • [10:11:01] <koen> mrpackethead: hard to find chocolate in the US
  • [10:11:14] <koen> mrpackethead: most 'chocolate' candy doesn't contain chocolate anymore
  • [10:11:17] <KotH> mrpackethead: taht we went to fosdem with a total of about 5kg of chocolate should tell you something about belgian chocolate
  • [10:11:23] <koen> which is why it tastes like vomit
  • [10:11:33] <mrpackethead> Ghiradelli
  • [10:11:38] <koen> or 'slightly acidic' if you want to be PC
  • [10:11:47] <koen> yeah, Ghiradelli is nice
  • [10:11:58] <koen> I like the raspberry dark one
  • [10:12:07] <KotH> The Ghirardelli Chocolate Company is a United States division of Swiss confectioner Lindt & Spr?ngli.
  • [10:12:09] <koen> my 3d printer supplier includes that with every order :)
  • [10:12:11] <KotH> well...
  • [10:12:22] <_av500_> koen: make it print chocolate
  • [10:12:26] <_av500_> not this crummy PLA
  • [10:12:30] <koen> (the US one, the belgian one doesn't do chocolate)
  • [10:12:31] <_av500_> it tastes awgul
  • [10:12:59] <KotH> _av500_: you are not suposed to eat that yoda figure you just printed
  • [10:13:09] <_av500_> damn
  • [10:13:12] <_av500_> too late
  • [10:13:15] <mrpackethead> kotH.. lol.
  • [10:13:48] <koen> _av500_: I bought a roll of alcohol filament to print with
  • [10:13:58] <_av500_> er
  • [10:14:04] <koen> poly vinyl alcohol
  • [10:14:08] <koen> water soluble
  • [10:14:31] <_av500_> so I can drop yoda in water and get drunk?
  • [10:14:39] * _av500_ rubs hands
  • [10:14:43] <koen> go blind, more likely
  • [10:14:50] * _av500_ rubs eyes
  • [10:15:30] <mrpackethead> 3d alchol printer
  • [10:15:35] <mrpackethead> mranostay: hear that
  • [10:15:54] <mrpackethead> the swiss have invented an alcohol printer!
  • [10:16:05] <mrpackethead> can it print guns as well
  • [10:16:15] * ka6sox is now known as ka6sox-away
  • [10:16:53] <koen> I have printed gunparts with it
  • [10:17:08] <mrpackethead> we printed a battery holder.
  • [10:17:11] <mrpackethead> does that count?
  • [10:17:19] <koen> but a lower isn't that usefull to build an actual gun
  • [10:17:29] <koen> and I wouldn't print an upper or barrel
  • [10:17:39] <koen> unless I can print with titanium :)
  • [10:17:44] <KotH> laser sinter?
  • [10:18:09] <koen> I have an FDM
  • [10:18:18] <koen> laser sinter would be better, but more $$$$$
  • [10:18:37] <mrpackethead> i have a laser pointer
  • [10:18:42] <mrpackethead> drives the cat mad.
  • [10:18:42] <_av500_> for a single shot IED, plastic is fine
  • [10:18:56] <_av500_> see that movie
  • [10:19:48] <mrpackethead> i tryed cutting a stencil with the laser cutter today
  • [10:19:53] <mrpackethead> in 3mil mylar
  • [10:20:01] <mrpackethead> worked remarkably well
  • [10:20:35] <KotH> which reminds me... i should go and try the local fablab
  • [10:21:16] <mrpackethead> i don't think they would last for many copies.
  • [10:21:22] <mrpackethead> but for protos, its fine
  • [10:21:42] <mrpackethead> not quite as sharp a release as a stainless one.
  • [10:24:44] <KotH> but you dont do many copies with your milling machine anyways, do you?
  • [10:25:22] <mrpackethead> if we made 2 or 3 of the same thign it woudl be suprizing
  • [10:26:03] <mrpackethead> its certainy quicker and better than blotching on solder paste with a needle!
  • [10:26:11] <KotH> ugh.. yeah
  • [10:26:58] <KotH> in my experience, it's better to use a small soldering iron and put small amounts of solder on the pads instead of using paste
  • [10:27:39] <KotH> paste deposit with needles just doesnt work well with the small pads we have these days
  • [10:28:08] <mrpackethead> not really
  • [10:28:17] <mrpackethead> even 0402's its problematic
  • [10:29:05] <mrpackethead> i do a hybrid these days.
  • [10:29:16] <mrpackethead> a lot of stuff is pasted, and then baked
  • [10:29:26] <mrpackethead> and then i'll come back and put on the problematic bits by hand.
  • [10:29:36] <_av500_> try copy&paste
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  • [10:30:08] <mrpackethead> the electroplater is almost done.
  • [10:30:11] <mrpackethead> finally
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  • [10:32:03] <KotH> mrpackethead: with 0402's i dont even bother to get them into the oven
  • [10:32:13] <KotH> mrpackethead: soldering by hand is much faster, especially for single pieces
  • [10:32:27] <mrpackethead> rubbish.
  • [10:32:37] <mrpackethead> then your doing it wrong
  • [10:32:41] <KotH> could be
  • [10:32:57] <mrpackethead> how are you placing them?
  • [10:33:01] <mrpackethead> tweezerS?
  • [10:33:04] <KotH> juup
  • [10:33:11] <KotH> we dont have a pick&place machine
  • [10:33:11] <mrpackethead> ahh, thats your problem
  • [10:33:12] <mru> mrpackethead: ever seen KotH handle a soldering iron?
  • [10:33:37] <_av500_> like a saracen
  • [10:35:12] <mrpackethead> if your using twezzers then i woudl agree.
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  • [10:37:05] <KotH> mrpackethead: what else is there to use that would be faster?
  • [10:37:41] <KotH> mru: nope.. very few people have seen me wielding a soldering iron... and even less lived to tell
  • [10:38:15] <mru> fewer
  • [10:38:46] <KotH> thanks ^^'
  • [10:39:54] <mrpackethead> KotH, we have a DIMA FP-600
  • [10:40:11] <mrpackethead> http://www.dimasmt.nl/cmpage/proddetail.asp?nmid=4&nsid=7&pid=9
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  • [10:42:26] <KotH> how well does that thing work with >100 different part types?
  • [10:42:49] <KotH> and how much time do you need for putting the parts into the dispensers?
  • [10:44:39] <mrpackethead> think its got 90 bins
  • [10:44:46] <mrpackethead> and it doe'snt take too long
  • [10:45:10] <mrpackethead> i ave a couple of tape feeders as well
  • [10:45:26] <mrpackethead> for stuff like 100nF caps, which you seem to place lot sof
  • [10:45:38] <KotH> well.. yes
  • [10:45:57] <KotH> 100nF, 10k and such stuff... but that's only 1% of the stuff on a pcb
  • [10:45:57] <_av500_> manual?
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  • [10:46:04] <mrpackethead> yes, its manual
  • [10:46:18] <_av500_> but but but its 2013
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  • [10:46:26] * woglinde wonders what mrpackethead is building in the end
  • [10:46:34] <KotH> even small pcbs have easily 50+ different component types
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  • [10:47:28] <KotH> mrpackethead: and i still dont believe that this is faster than hand soldering single pieces
  • [10:48:29] <mru> woglinde: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaLjwSpZ6Cs
  • [10:48:51] <mrpackethead> thats ok.
  • [10:48:58] <mrpackethead> you can choose to belive or not
  • [10:49:01] <_av500_> mru: good one
  • [10:49:28] <mru> any tom waits reference is a good one
  • [10:49:39] <mrpackethead> woglinde: mostly microcontroller stuff
  • [10:52:28] <_av500_> lol
  • [10:52:39] <_av500_> the gnome apps post just got the 1st BSD comment
  • [10:52:52] <_av500_> what was taking them so long
  • [10:53:01] <mru> what post?
  • [10:53:03] <woglinde> yes nice
  • [10:53:14] <woglinde> javascript
  • [10:53:16] <woglinde> I guess
  • [10:54:11] <_av500_> mru: gregkh
  • [10:54:14] <_av500_> g+
  • [10:54:33] <mru> must've missed it
  • [10:54:45] <_av500_> it has potential
  • [10:55:14] <_av500_> gnome wants to put android intents and binder into linux
  • [10:55:23] <woglinde> o.O
  • [10:55:36] <_av500_> intents are called portals
  • [10:55:40] <_av500_> and some unnamed IPC
  • [10:55:50] <_av500_> to interop between sandboxed app bundles
  • [10:56:04] <woglinde> hm thats new I thought they only wanted to use javascript for gnome-apps
  • [10:57:47] <_av500_> sec
  • [10:58:05] <_av500_> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/GNOME-developers-plan-Linux-apps-1798691.html
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  • [10:58:59] <mru> so like osx, systemd+gnome is a non-unix os running on a unix-like kernel
  • [10:59:49] <KotH> :-)
  • [11:00:53] <_av500_> mru: face it, unix is dead
  • [11:01:13] <mru> they said that 20 years ago
  • [11:04:02] <KotH> and they will repeat it in 20y as well
  • [11:04:16] <woglinde> we all feared it
  • [11:04:22] <woglinde> now it comes true
  • [11:04:26] <woglinde> dbus in kernel
  • [11:04:40] <KotH> huh?
  • [11:04:46] <KotH> they got the patches in?
  • [11:05:04] <woglinde> read the article
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  • [11:05:15] <jackmitchell> there is a 'dbus in kernel' style implementation going into the LTSI kernel I read
  • [11:05:24] <jackmitchell> lets see if I can dig it out
  • [11:06:04] <_av500_> lunch
  • [11:06:05] <jackmitchell> http://lwn.net/Articles/504722/
  • [11:06:08] <woglinde> and gnome goes the java way
  • [11:06:17] <woglinde> big fat jar
  • [11:06:26] <_av500_> yes
  • [11:06:50] <jackmitchell> a dbus for dbus
  • [11:06:54] <woglinde> yes lunch
  • [11:07:00] <woglinde> good idea
  • [11:07:15] <ogra_> and AXE supermodels break up with ubuntu users ... bad times for linux
  • [11:07:17] <KotH> jackmitchell: i remember that one
  • [11:07:29] <KotH> jackmitchell: but it got thorn into pieces
  • [11:07:47] <jackmitchell> there was also another a few years ago by a company near me, embecosm maybe..
  • [11:07:51] <woglinde> ogra_ you are no kosmonaut
  • [11:08:14] <ogra_> woglinde, yeah, i guess the guy in the suit is my boss ... :)
  • [11:08:32] <jackmitchell> http://lwn.net/Articles/434361/
  • [11:08:44] <woglinde> and ogra its only called AXE in germany
  • [11:08:59] <ogra_> is it ?
  • [11:09:05] <mru> what is?
  • [11:09:12] <woglinde> maybe some other country
  • [11:09:15] <woglinde> but not uk
  • [11:09:17] <ogra_> mru, the deodorant ...
  • [11:09:23] <ogra_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvBDLAA1hFE
  • [11:09:33] <mru> goes by that name in scandinavia too
  • [11:10:19] <ogra_> woglinde, thats a superbowl AD ... so i would expect it to be named like this in the US too
  • [11:10:34] <woglinde> ah
  • [11:10:36] <woglinde> okay
  • [11:10:50] <ogra_> (well, it refers to superbowl ... more a post-superbowl one)
  • [11:11:03] <woglinde> hm intressting the no silver bullet paper is timeless
  • [11:13:26] <woglinde> hm should dig p what interlisp is
  • [11:13:34] <woglinde> aeh was
  • [11:15:53] <woglinde> ahaha I should make a poster of that
  • [11:15:56] <woglinde> Many students of the art hold out more hope for object-oriented programming than for any of the other technical fads of the day
  • [11:16:53] <felipebalbi> http://kuvaton.com/browse/25322/pc_interior_design.jpg
  • [11:16:57] <felipebalbi> looks pretty good :-p
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  • [11:18:09] <mru> disk is not connected
  • [11:19:07] <felipebalbi> mru: who needs them anyway :-p
  • [11:19:53] <felipebalbi> http://kuvaton.com/browse/25319/keyboard_garden.jpg
  • [11:20:06] <woglinde> barbie computer house?
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  • [11:37:54] * jackmitchell highly approves of keyboard garden
  • [11:39:12] * _av500_ considers to fan the flames
  • [11:43:42] <jackmitchell> do you think this kernel bug could be caused by locking issues, or does it seem like one for higher up the food chain? As I can't see any reference to my module apart from the fact that I call the spi_sync which most likely prompted the issue: https://pastee.org/uycc7
  • [11:44:28] <jackmitchell> in the IRQ all I do is pop my stuff to do into a workqueue so I don't actually do any processing in there
  • [11:44:53] <koen> woglinde: iirc it's axe everywhere except the uk
  • [11:44:57] <jackmitchell> I think it was probably in the workqueue rather than in the ieq
  • [11:45:04] <jackmitchell> s/ieq/irq
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  • [11:52:42] <KotH> _av500_: where ever you fan them, please let me know :)
  • [11:54:30] <_av500_> KotH: no need. lu_zero is on it
  • [11:55:25] <KotH> _av500_: and where is it?
  • [11:55:56] <_av500_> g+
  • [11:56:02] <_av500_> where all the coll stuff is these days
  • [11:56:05] <_av500_> cool*
  • [11:56:19] <_av500_> https://plus.google.com/u/0/111049168280159033135/posts/BnwuJsCNjJa
  • [11:58:07] <woglinde> ieehks g+ again
  • [12:01:45] <KotH> google-is-everything
  • [12:01:58] <_av500_> hai
  • [12:02:21] <mru> google provides useful services
  • [12:02:27] <mru> that's more than most companies can say
  • [12:02:37] <KotH> we provide usefull services as well
  • [12:02:55] <mru> yes, but does e.g. facebook?
  • [12:03:35] <woglinde> with facebook you can share your private emails with everyone
  • [12:03:43] <KotH> millions of teenies would say "yes!" :)
  • [12:04:41] <_av500_> mru: http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2012/08/10/rethinking-the-shell-pipeline/
  • [12:04:48] <_av500_> I guess you love that one too
  • [12:04:54] <woglinde> and you can even play farmeville with everyone
  • [12:05:02] <mru> _av500_: I don't need to read it
  • [12:05:16] * woglinde wonders when google will target at games
  • [12:05:19] <mru> I can extrapolate the content from the url
  • [12:05:26] <_av500_> recently there was a bit of banging on FB too
  • [12:05:39] <_av500_> woglinde: there are games already
  • [12:05:48] <mru> 'the shell is 40 years old, we need to replace it with something "modern"'
  • [12:05:58] <_av500_> typed data in pipes
  • [12:06:20] <KotH> _av500_: that aproach is nearly halfway sane!
  • [12:06:22] <woglinde> with computer getting faster shell is getting faster
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  • [12:06:49] <woglinde> dont rip the shell from my dead cold hands
  • [12:06:50] <keesj> typed data in pipes ++
  • [12:07:14] <KotH> woglinde: you should wear gloves in winter
  • [12:07:25] <keesj> I am must afraid it's going to be called xml shell
  • [12:07:27] <mru> ascii text is a data type
  • [12:10:15] <woglinde> hm his out put is wrong
  • [12:10:23] <woglinde> it has xorg instead of wayland
  • [12:10:39] <_av500_> KotH: dont let mru hear that
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  • [12:12:47] <koen> keesj: xml is old, json is all the rage now
  • [12:13:19] <koen> keesj: and thank you for working on minix, it gets rid of those pesky bsd-beards real quickly :)
  • [12:14:58] <_av500_> koen: how do I use minix to drive bsd away?
  • [12:15:05] <_av500_> I have a signed minix CD
  • [12:16:01] <keesj> :p
  • [12:16:59] <keesj> I had to print my own MINIX 3 t-shirt for FOSDEM . U I think I can get is signed
  • [12:17:21] <KotH> _av500_: loll.... right you got that a couple of years ago :)
  • [12:17:28] <ynezz> no plan9?
  • [12:17:29] <KotH> _av500_: i still wonder why
  • [12:20:19] <_av500_> because I could
  • [12:21:03] <jackmitchell> _av500_: noooo, not GVariant!
  • [12:21:23] <_av500_> G is for Great, eh?
  • [12:21:23] * jackmitchell should know not to click the troll bait by now...
  • [12:21:54] <koen> can someone please start a big troll on friday?
  • [12:22:07] <koen> I have a 14 hour trip to to texas on sunday
  • [12:22:15] <koen> I need to have some entertainment available
  • [12:22:33] <_av500_> wifi on the plane?
  • [12:23:24] <_av500_> koen: start a troll yourself
  • [12:23:34] <_av500_> a.g. propose angstrom to go gnome.apps
  • [12:23:42] <ynezz> and new gmail accounts are free
  • [12:24:23] <woglinde> koen do not sleep today
  • [12:24:29] <woglinde> so you can on the trip
  • [12:24:36] <ynezz> do not sleep till sunday
  • [12:24:48] <_av500_> no sleep till brooklyn
  • [12:25:15] <woglinde> yeah
  • [12:25:20] <woglinde> beastie boys
  • [12:25:23] <woglinde> or so
  • [12:26:24] <ynezz> Zombie 2.0
  • [12:26:36] <koen> _av500_: only 'video' according to seatguru.com
  • [12:26:48] <koen> _av500_: I can load the pages onto my kindle
  • [12:26:54] <_av500_> so you have to troll yourself
  • [12:27:13] <mru> does the plane have seat-to-seat messaging?
  • [12:27:58] <_av500_> is it an infinite plane?
  • [12:28:12] <koen> ah, the second leg does have wifi
  • [12:28:13] <woglinde> mru *g*
  • [12:28:54] <mru> _av500_: hopefully it's not a ground plane
  • [12:30:11] <_av500_> as long as it not a hand plane
  • [12:30:32] <ogra_> koen, left ot right leg ?
  • [12:30:36] <ogra_> *or
  • [12:32:57] <koen> dunno, the texas leg
  • [12:33:28] <woglinde> good steak
  • [12:34:57] <koen> right
  • [12:35:13] * KotH wouldnt mind some steak now
  • [12:35:15] <koen> but steak in texas can be confusing
  • [12:35:27] <koen> the TXLC specialtly is a smoked steak
  • [12:35:40] <koen> which tasted exactly like dutch fastfood: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rookworst
  • [12:35:51] <koen> so that one is wasted on me
  • [12:36:06] <woglinde> rookworst lets see
  • [12:36:19] * ogra_ prefers tobacco to smoking steaks
  • [12:36:34] <ogra_> the fat taints the paper ...
  • [12:36:42] <KotH> koen: if you ever make it to kyushu, go and have some kurobuta
  • [12:36:56] <koen> and I don't get the texas tradition of drinking watered down beer served by bitchy half dressed jailbait
  • [12:37:23] <KotH> koen: they have to be bitchy, otherwise they get raped by every second customer
  • [12:37:48] <_av500_> this is going non-PC
  • [12:37:59] <mru> this channel was never about PCs
  • [12:38:17] <mru> there's #rpi for that
  • [12:38:17] * koen mentally prepares for 4 weeks of bud light
  • [12:38:20] <woglinde> bruederle
  • [12:38:22] <KotH> this channel has been R rated at least since i joined
  • [12:38:54] <woglinde> koen take some heineken with you
  • [12:38:58] <koen> blech
  • [12:39:10] <woglinde> or augustiner
  • [12:39:13] <koen> that canal water is everywhere
  • [12:39:23] <koen> I would kill for some grolsch in texas
  • [12:39:30] <woglinde> hehe
  • [12:39:30] <koen> (they do have guinness)
  • [12:39:38] <woglinde> yes grolsch is fine
  • [12:39:42] <_av500_> koen: looks like http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkel
  • [12:39:45] <mru> but we all know guinness doesn't travel well
  • [12:39:55] <mru> and they probably don't know how to poor it
  • [12:39:59] <mru> pour
  • [12:40:15] <woglinde> guiness does not taste
  • [12:40:21] <mru> they do a poor pour
  • [12:40:34] <koen> _av500_: yes, we eat it with gruhnkohl as well
  • [12:40:55] <_av500_> yes
  • [12:41:38] <koen> at one point I was able to distinguish guinness poured with co2 or with a co2/nitrogen mixture
  • [12:42:01] <koen> then I stopped caring since even the co2 version beats most US beers
  • [12:42:57] <ynezz> they call beer a lot of things these days...
  • [12:43:08] <koen> sweet, you germans even add mustard to gruenkohl
  • [12:43:10] <woglinde> ynezz *g*
  • [12:43:11] <mru> they call a lot of things beer these days
  • [12:43:20] <_av500_> koen: I would not know
  • [12:43:21] <woglinde> gruenkohl is nice
  • [12:43:35] <_av500_> koen: I'm german only by paper
  • [12:43:48] <koen> and speck
  • [12:43:49] <ynezz> mru: you grammar nazi!
  • [12:43:52] <koen> just how I like it
  • [12:44:15] <_av500_> speck is almost as good as bacon
  • [12:44:32] <ynezz> ??pek is even better
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  • [12:44:45] <woglinde> koen with dumplings
  • [12:45:02] <_av500_> no project can succeed without a proper speck
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  • [12:45:12] <koen> heh
  • [12:45:13] <ynezz> do they eat dumplings with chocolate also?
  • [12:45:22] <koen> the dutch "hot lightning" is called "Himmel und Erde" in germany
  • [12:45:39] <mru> no hell?
  • [12:45:43] * koen should close wikipedia and get back to updating u-boot
  • [12:45:47] <_av500_> koen: I suspect you dutch are crypto-germans after all
  • [12:46:28] <woglinde> crypto-germans I should patent it
  • [12:46:45] <starklombardi> hi guys, does anyone know how to enable all cpu frequencies on BBxM using Sitara Linux? As I guess it was designed for the BeagleBoard (no xM)
  • [12:47:03] <Crofton|work> mock-germans?
  • [12:47:06] <_av500_> what is Sitara Linux?
  • [12:47:14] <_av500_> it is like Torvald's Linux?
  • [12:47:23] <_av500_> Crofton|work: faux germans
  • [12:47:40] <koen> _av500_: it's *linux
  • [12:47:44] <woglinde> av500 no comes from india
  • [12:47:58] <woglinde> hm its not friday
  • [12:48:00] <koen> but they outsourced it to instead with translated the asterisk as 'star'
  • [12:48:04] <Crofton|work> starklombardi, what does /etc/issue say?
  • [12:48:11] * Crofton|work slaps the trolls
  • [12:48:14] <koen> oblivious to the other star product: stellaris
  • [12:48:58] <koen> it's the 's' in SDK
  • [12:50:17] <koen> starklombardi: we don't support sitari linux here, that's a TI product, so contact your TI rep for support
  • [12:50:25] <starklombardi> _____ _____ _ _ | _ |___ ___ ___ ___ | _ |___ ___ |_|___ ___| |_ | | _| .'| . | . | | __| _| . | | | -_| _| _| |__|__|_| |__,|_ |___| |__| |_| |___|_| |___|___|_| |___| |___| Arago Project http://arago-project.org \n \l Arago 2011.09 \n \l
  • [12:50:29] <starklombardi> ok ok
  • [12:50:56] <koen> starklombardi: enjoy your system without VFP and NEON support
  • [12:51:03] <mru> that ascii-art looks a bit mangled
  • [12:51:43] <starklombardi> do you recommend Angstrom better?
  • [12:51:43] <_av500_> 2011.9 is well within bradfa 's 5y support....
  • [12:51:47] <koen> 'sitara linux' was so much designed for the xM that they included armv5te versions of libc, libm, etc
  • [12:51:56] <koen> starklombardi: of course
  • [12:52:00] * bradfa scrolls up
  • [12:52:04] <_av500_> koen: maybe for ZaurusXM?
  • [12:52:09] <koen> starklombardi: the xM comes without preinstalled
  • [12:52:37] <woglinde> koen?
  • [12:52:44] <woglinde> without preinstalled
  • [12:52:45] <koen> ehm
  • [12:52:52] <koen> s/without/with angstrom/
  • [12:53:09] <_av500_> koen: you mean like bloatware?
  • [12:53:09] * koen heads out to lunch before making any less sense
  • [12:53:27] * bradfa doesn't need neon or vfp so 2011.9 would be reasonable :)
  • [12:54:13] <starklombardi> ok, but for angstrom i have only found the pre-built kernel and the toolchain for cross-compiling, is there the kernel source code for building it yourself i.e. manually adding/deleting modules?
  • [12:54:26] <koen> _av500_: speaking of bloatware: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutspot
  • [12:54:44] <_av500_> starklombardi: yes, you can biuld it yourself
  • [12:54:46] <koen> starklombardi: no, the kernel is created from pixie dust
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  • [12:55:10] * koen still doesn't get why people keep asking if a linux kernel has sources
  • [12:55:45] <koen> starklombardi: go to the angstrom website, click 'developers' and follow the instructions
  • [12:56:01] <koen> starklombardi: after that, go to the angstrom website and read the news items, look for 'kernel workflow'
  • [12:56:23] <koen> I know, visiting the project homepage is rocket science
  • [12:56:27] <_av500_> koen: there are a lot of sourceless kernels out there
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  • [12:57:02] <_av500_> useless ones too
  • [12:57:13] <woglinde> *g*
  • [12:57:49] <koen> I refuse to run a kernel where I don't know where the matching source is located
  • [12:57:54] <koen> so no ubuntu for me
  • [12:58:05] <woglinde> apt-get source?
  • [12:58:05] <koen> crazy bizar launchpad obfuscation
  • [12:58:20] <woglinde> apt-get install linux-source?
  • [12:58:28] <_av500_> right, oebfuscation is prefered :)
  • [12:59:00] <koen> woglinde: try doing that with a 'linaro' ubuntu image, or a regular ubuntu arm image
  • [13:02:28] <woglinde> koen hm do not have my ac100 at hand
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  • [13:27:32] <keesj> slightly off-topic but does one know of a bittorrent tracker for open source stuff ?
  • [13:28:40] <_av500_> ?
  • [13:28:43] <_av500_> github?
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  • [13:30:10] <keesj> hmm they won't like me putting iso's there
  • [13:31:35] <agmlego> Why not just use one of the existing trackers?
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  • [13:32:48] <bradfa> keesj, bitbucket allows upload of binaries
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  • [13:33:06] <bradfa> no bt though
  • [13:34:20] <keesj> something like http://publicbt.com/ but working
  • [13:35:04] <keesj> but this is indeed not really on-topic
  • [13:35:28] * bradfa needs to become informed...
  • [13:35:49] <mru> #beagle, where being off-topic is on-topic
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  • [13:44:56] <KotH> keesj: tpb?
  • [13:45:05] <KotH> keesj: they have everything on there
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  • [14:12:03] * _av500_ just won a trip to Sophia
  • [14:12:09] <_av500_> or Sofia :)
  • [14:13:35] <KotH> _av500_: get-away from your wife and children?
  • [14:13:39] <KotH> ;->
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  • [14:33:25] <jackmitchell> lazyweb: does anyone know of an OTS arm board with 3g and ability to connect to an external antenna?
  • [14:34:31] <agmlego> Yes.
  • [14:35:02] <KotH> random fun fact: carrots can cause addiction
  • [14:35:12] <jackmitchell> agmlego: care to share?
  • [14:35:15] <mru> they can also make you yellow
  • [14:35:46] <_av500_> OTS?
  • [14:35:48] <KotH> apearantly it can be deadly
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  • [14:35:54] <agmlego> jackmitchell: Ever hear of this thing called...a smartphone?
  • [14:35:58] <jackmitchell> off the shelf
  • [14:36:06] <mru> jackmitchell: dragonboard perhaps
  • [14:36:08] <agmlego> jackmitchell: Most have RF testpoints to which an antenna can be attached.
  • [14:36:13] <ka6sox-away> mru, but do they make you see better?
  • [14:36:18] <agmlego> jackmitchell: Cellphones are totally off the shelf.
  • [14:36:22] <mru> ka6sox-away: no
  • [14:36:26] <agmlego> They are commodity hardware.
  • [14:36:41] <mru> ka6sox-away: that was a myth spread by british intelligence during ww2
  • [14:36:43] <agmlego> And nearly all of them have some kind of ARM these days.
  • [14:36:50] <_av500_> several
  • [14:37:31] <mru> there's a yocto joke in there somewhere
  • [14:37:48] <_av500_> jackmitchell: GTA04
  • [14:37:54] <_av500_> omap3 + option 3G
  • [14:38:05] <jackmitchell> i'm thinking more like a beaglebone but with 3g, is there a 3g cape somewhere, ponders off...
  • [14:38:14] <_av500_> I am sure they will put it on a shelf for you
  • [14:38:25] <_av500_> 3g USB stick?
  • [14:38:32] <_av500_> call it cape
  • [14:38:35] <_av500_> or Kate
  • [14:38:51] <ka6sox-away> but never late for dinner
  • [14:40:10] * ka6sox-away wanders off to fix a Siege Engine....before breakfast
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  • [14:40:43] <agmlego> jackmitchell: There exist 3G modems on Sparkfun...
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  • [14:42:33] <jackmitchell> agmlego: I've got those pages open, about to get round to them
  • [14:42:53] <agmlego> jackmitchell: OK, then. Sounds like you pretty much have a solution then. ;-P
  • [14:44:08] <jackmitchell> I always like to ask, there are always buried secrets around here
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  • [14:44:27] <agmlego> More than you could possibly know...
  • [14:44:29] <ka6sox-away> (and bodies too)
  • [14:44:31] <jackmitchell> and when I say buried
  • [14:44:51] <jackmitchell> i mean buried beneath the sarcasm
  • [14:44:55] <mru> KotH: so are you cooking up some elaborate murder plot?
  • [14:45:32] <ka6sox-away> this channel? and sarcasm? surely you jest!
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  • [14:48:43] <mdp> _av500_: mmm...my old team's codez ;)
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  • [14:49:15] <mdp> av500: that ppcdroid stuff from earlier ;)
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  • [14:56:38] <_av500_> ah
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  • [15:02:33] <panto> hey
  • [15:02:51] <_av500_> ho
  • [15:03:05] <panto> let's go
  • [15:03:30] <_av500_> hmm, 2nd meaning of BB ;)
  • [15:05:43] <emeb_mac> i wanna be sedated?
  • [15:06:22] <_av500_> Blitzkrieg Bop
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  • [15:09:47] <KotH> mru: juup, trying to get people addicted to carrot chocolate
  • [15:09:58] <jakllsch> wait what?
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  • [15:14:04] <KotH> jakllsch: wait until you hear about my plans for the next JIHAD!
  • [15:16:36] <jakllsch> i've never heard of carrot chocolate
  • [15:16:47] <KotH> then you've never heard of chocolate
  • [15:17:03] <panto> I've heard of carrot top, but I wish I haven't
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  • [15:17:38] <KotH> UGH!
  • [15:17:44] <KotH> why did i just google that?!?
  • [15:17:58] <mru> KotH: thanks for sparing me the discomfort
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  • [15:18:21] * panto adds +1 troll point to his total
  • [15:18:48] <KotH> mru: you're welcome ^^'
  • [15:19:20] <mdp> panto, I'm still reading trolling for dummies
  • [15:19:57] * KotH had lectures in advanced trolling last weekend
  • [15:20:28] <mdp> my company won't send me to useful training classes like that
  • [15:20:42] <panto> they expect you to troll on your own free time
  • [15:20:57] <mru> mdp: I didn't ask, just went anyway
  • [15:20:59] <mdp> yeah, perhaps on my 20% project
  • [15:21:30] <jakllsch> whoa, $45
  • [15:21:44] <jakllsch> beaglebone black at digikey
  • [15:21:50] <jakllsch> 0 avail
  • [15:21:54] <mdp> mru, if there's trolling training at ELCs then I can get them to pay for it ;)
  • [15:22:04] <mru> jakllsch: they are not in production
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  • [15:22:20] <mru> mdp: we can always arrange some
  • [15:22:29] <mdp> jakllsch: uninteresting...still way more expensive than RPi *plonk*
  • [15:22:50] <mru> mdp: tell me again why you're still reading 'for dummies'
  • [15:22:51] * mdp waits for a $10 arm11 board
  • [15:22:57] <jakllsch> eh, at least it has real ethernet
  • [15:23:04] <KotH> meh.. why isnt there an fram msp430 with two spi interfaces in an 24pin qfn?
  • [15:23:06] <jakllsch> i've not been impressed by rpi
  • [15:23:06] <mdp> mru, I think it's obvious why I have to read those
  • [15:23:13] * KotH hates TI for making his life more difficult
  • [15:23:26] <mru> KotH: how's that?
  • [15:23:29] <_av500_> mdp: you can get a $20 wifi router with MIPS
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  • [15:23:40] <mdp> _av500_: too much!
  • [15:23:49] <_av500_> mdp: buy only the PCBA in china
  • [15:23:54] <_av500_> that must be like $5
  • [15:23:55] <jakllsch> the rpi hardware is mediocre and the docs for it are even worse
  • [15:23:56] <mdp> hehe
  • [15:24:02] <mru> $5 lunchpad then
  • [15:24:14] <KotH> mru: i need to interface to two spi devices at the same time with two different interfaces... and this extra-small msp430 does only have one hardware spi interface
  • [15:24:21] <_av500_> mru: but mdp will insist running Lennux on it
  • [15:24:26] <mdp> mru, does it run Angstrom?
  • [15:24:27] <KotH> mru: ie the second one needs to be bit banged
  • [15:24:30] <mru> KotH: so bitbang it :)
  • [15:24:35] <mdp> _av500_, +1
  • [15:24:43] <mdp> Lennuxd
  • [15:24:56] <mru> he's a demon alright
  • [15:24:57] <_av500_> hmm, a kernel-less systemd might run without MMU....
  • [15:25:05] <mdp> lol
  • [15:25:10] <mru> doubtful
  • [15:25:19] <mru> does it call fork()?
  • [15:25:25] <mru> as in _ever_
  • [15:25:34] <jacekowski> MMU is not required for that
  • [15:25:35] <KotH> _av500_: apropos... what was written on g+ in the fosdem aftermath?
  • [15:25:46] <mru> jacekowski: yes
  • [15:26:11] <jacekowski> when yoiu have MMU you can do copy on write and stuff
  • [15:26:29] <mdp> milk COWs
  • [15:26:40] <jacekowski> but, MMU is is not required for memory protection
  • [15:26:40] <KotH> mdp: in the swiss alps
  • [15:26:43] <_av500_> mru: but systemd is all about not forking :)
  • [15:26:45] <KotH> mdp: for superior milk!
  • [15:27:05] <jacekowski> it's only on x86 that memory protection and virtual memory are provided by one MMU unit
  • [15:27:10] <mdp> KotH: hey, put down that chocolate!
  • [15:27:15] <jacekowski> some platforms have memory protection but no virtual memory
  • [15:27:27] <mru> I know that
  • [15:27:27] <KotH> mdp: why? it tastes good!
  • [15:27:36] <KotH> mdp: do you want some?
  • [15:27:48] <jacekowski> there is mmuless linux
  • [15:27:54] <mru> I know that too
  • [15:28:01] <KotH> jacekowski: mru knows probably more about operating systems than you do
  • [15:28:02] <mru> and fork means trouble there
  • [15:28:07] <mdp> KotH: I've powered on my fax machine...will PM the numberz
  • [15:28:35] <KotH> mdp: can i send you an email? we dont usually use faxes here in .ch... they have gone out of fashion a couple of decades ago
  • [15:28:43] <jacekowski> trouble and inefficient but not impossible
  • [15:28:46] <mdp> whut?
  • [15:28:51] <_av500_> KotH: there is Swiss TeleText
  • [15:29:09] <mru> in most fork+exec cases it can be replaced with vfork and everything is fine
  • [15:29:10] <KotH> _av500_: and german videotext :)
  • [15:29:28] <_av500_> yes
  • [15:29:57] * panto founds out that the local hackerspace is just 2km away
  • [15:30:09] <panto> perhaps I should go over there and troll them hard
  • [15:30:15] <_av500_> too iuch effort
  • [15:30:18] <_av500_> too far away
  • [15:30:23] <_av500_> make them come to you
  • [15:30:23] <mru> panto: I learned at fosdem that there's one here in town too
  • [15:30:35] <mdp> panto, I'll bet somebody will not appreciate becoming a hackerspace widow ;)
  • [15:30:44] <panto> hehe
  • [15:31:10] <KotH> apropos fosdem and hackers... there was this schottish guy who wants to build a fully open source ompa4 based processor module
  • [15:31:16] <KotH> does anyone know who that might be?
  • [15:31:22] <KotH> or how to contact him?
  • [15:31:30] <panto> omap4?
  • [15:31:37] <panto> isn't omap dead? :P
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  • [15:31:44] <mru> forget about it
  • [15:32:00] <mru> omap4 is only available in high volume
  • [15:32:12] <mru> if you need modules, go to one of the usual vendors
  • [15:32:21] <KotH> mru: that's what they wanted to do. 10k/y and up
  • [15:32:28] <mru> that's not high
  • [15:32:33] <panto> 10k/y is not a big amount for TI
  • [15:32:35] <_av500_> it all depends
  • [15:32:44] * KotH knows
  • [15:32:46] <_av500_> if you have a compelling use case
  • [15:32:49] <_av500_> TI might bite
  • [15:32:50] * panto has no idea what the threshold is now though
  • [15:32:50] <KotH> he said that it'll be enough
  • [15:33:05] <KotH> panto: depending on the processor: 1 :)
  • [15:33:16] <_av500_> my employer never bought any large amount of TI chips
  • [15:33:17] <panto> hehe
  • [15:33:21] <woglinde> jo panto
  • [15:33:21] <_av500_> still we got them all
  • [15:33:26] <woglinde> troll about money
  • [15:33:26] <panto> hi woglinde
  • [15:33:29] <mru> _av500_: you're special
  • [15:33:34] <woglinde> greece not have
  • [15:33:34] <_av500_> I know
  • [15:33:36] * woglinde runs
  • [15:33:39] <KotH> mru: _av500_ is intimidating
  • [15:33:44] <_av500_> roar
  • [15:33:49] <KotH> see?
  • [15:34:12] <Crofton|work> does u-boot have the concept of if file exists do something?
  • [15:34:13] <mdp> panto, for which TI?
  • [15:34:33] <panto> for omap TI
  • [15:34:39] <panto> yours is 'special'
  • [15:34:41] <mdp> oh, well that doesn't even exist ;)
  • [15:34:46] <mdp> no longer mine
  • [15:34:50] <_av500_> Crofton|work: in the script?
  • [15:35:11] <panto> Crofton|work, depends on the filesystem
  • [15:35:21] <panto> perhaps trying to do fatls or something it will fail
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  • [15:35:42] <panto> hi prpplague
  • [15:35:57] <Crofton|work> yeah fatls may be the approach I need
  • [15:36:24] <mranostay> mourning
  • [15:36:57] <KotH> ${usian greeting} mranostay and prpplague
  • [15:37:26] <woglinde> hi prpplague
  • [15:37:33] <woglinde> hi mranostay
  • [15:37:33] <panto> export usian_greeting='shooting guns + american eagles screeching'
  • [15:37:41] <prpplague> greetings all
  • [15:38:13] <jackmitchell> koen, is meta-beagleboard ready to use with oe-core? I have added the layer and tried to build but it says machine beaglebone not supported - am I missing something obvious?
  • [15:38:18] <mranostay> panto: don't you forget it
  • [15:40:11] <koen> jackmitchell: I haven't checked in the machine.conf yet since it needs some backports
  • [15:40:19] <koen> jackmitchell: wait till after ELC :)
  • [15:41:20] <jackmitchell> koen: ok, np :)
  • [15:42:41] <koen> I was ready to check it in and realized xf86-video-modesetting isn't in oe-core/danny
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  • [15:44:15] <prpplague> koen: wifi capes? hehe
  • [15:44:24] <jackmitchell> ah ok, I was interested as I have a funny feeling building my userspace against the 3.2 PSP but running 3.8-rc6 kernel is causing some unusually high cpu loads and also the cause of perf crashes...
  • [15:44:25] <prpplague> koen: i am nagging you because people are nagging me
  • [15:44:27] <prpplague> koen: hehe
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  • [15:44:43] <koen> prpplague: still no word
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  • [15:47:57] <alan_o> prpplague: people are nagging for wifi capes?
  • [15:48:08] <jsabeaudry> I added a battery backed up rtc chip (FM31L) on my cape, any hope for me to configure linux to talk to it directly or is my best bet writing some script to do the intermediary?
  • [15:48:18] <panto> alan_o, I'm nagging about a 6lowpan cape
  • [15:48:21] <panto> does that count?
  • [15:48:41] <panto> jsabeaudry, it's pretty trivial if it's a standard i2c part
  • [15:49:04] <jsabeaudry> panto, it is a i2c part but it's behind a mux
  • [15:49:14] <alan_o> panto: hehe
  • [15:49:20] <KotH> salut alan_o
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  • [15:49:41] <woglinde> panto why you need 6lowpan
  • [15:49:50] <_av500_> of course
  • [15:50:12] <panto> alan_o, are you going to be at ELC at the den of liberalism?
  • [15:50:14] <_av500_> woglinde: because your light switch needs a routable IP
  • [15:51:08] <woglinde> av500 yes yes internet of things
  • [15:51:21] <mru> http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3251.txt
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  • [15:52:54] <_av500_> ok, freedombox talk wasa waste of time
  • [15:53:07] <Crofton|work> Freedom!
  • [15:53:12] <mru> you didn't guess that beforehand?
  • [15:53:23] <KotH> _av500_: what is freedombox anyways?
  • [15:53:33] <prpplague> jsabeaudry: eww there are so many better choices for a rtc
  • [15:53:44] <_av500_> KotH: read what I wrote in libav-devel
  • [15:53:51] <Crofton|work> I enjoy Eben winding up the crowd
  • [15:53:58] <_av500_> not here
  • [15:54:26] <jsabeaudry> prpplague, such as?
  • [15:54:29] <KotH> _av500_: i only read something about routing your bank account trough china
  • [15:54:35] <_av500_> yes
  • [15:54:38] <_av500_> thats it
  • [15:54:46] <_av500_> freedom
  • [15:54:49] <jsabeaudry> prpplague, why is the FM chip not a good choice?
  • [15:55:02] <_av500_> FM is dying
  • [15:55:09] <_av500_> use digital radio
  • [15:55:19] <alan_o> panto: I'll be there. I signed up for a table at tech demo night.
  • [15:55:48] <panto> alan_o, cool
  • [15:56:15] <mru> KotH: my offshore bank has been talking up chinese currency lately
  • [15:57:49] <prpplague> jsabeaudry: mainly cost
  • [15:58:04] <mdp> alan_o, a table with no wires, right?
  • [15:59:23] <alan_o> mdp: maybe
  • [15:59:33] * alan_o researches coin cells
  • [15:59:51] <alan_o> mdp: do bodge wires on my board count?
  • [16:00:04] <_av500_> ok, FFOS talk is boring too
  • [16:00:11] <_av500_> key notes are boring
  • [16:00:13] <_av500_> :(
  • [16:00:54] <dm8tbr> _av500_: the fxos talk was horrible...
  • [16:01:24] <prpplague> jsabeaudry: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/MCP79410-I%2FSN/MCP79410-I%2FSN-ND/2480419
  • [16:01:27] <keesj> when I look at a recent u-boot for the beagle I see that booth the icache and dcaches are enabled.
  • [16:01:33] <prpplague> jsabeaudry: combined eeprom and rtc
  • [16:01:39] <prpplague> jsabeaudry: you'd only need one part
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  • [16:01:44] <prpplague> jsabeaudry: and it is dirt cheap
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  • [16:01:53] <keesj> but also http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0092b/ch04s03s05.html that the icache is only enalbed if the MMU is enabled
  • [16:02:08] <_av500_> yes
  • [16:02:12] <_av500_> flat mapping
  • [16:02:14] <_av500_> I guess
  • [16:02:15] * bradfa seems to have gotten his libcurl issues resolved
  • [16:02:15] <keesj> do u-boot create a simple 1:1 mapping ?
  • [16:02:25] <_av500_> bradfa: great
  • [16:02:30] <_av500_> keesj: I guess so
  • [16:02:31] <_av500_> I would
  • [16:02:38] <mru> iirc it does
  • [16:02:52] <_av500_> the source could tell us
  • [16:03:15] <_av500_> or objdump -d
  • [16:03:17] <jsabeaudry> prpplague, Interesting, I will forward to the hardware guys, thanks!
  • [16:03:28] <_av500_> prpplague: I hope you get 10%
  • [16:03:52] <prpplague> hehe
  • [16:03:52] <keesj> I don't see atemtps to disable caches or the MMU befor the "go" command is run (or mboot for that manner)
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  • [16:04:09] <keesj> in the later they do some cache flushing.
  • [16:04:21] <_av500_> maybe its not needed
  • [16:06:20] <keesj> that would be kinda weird so I need to check. I mean when the kernel is starting it must assume it's running "bare" with no caches (with their artifacts) enabled.
  • [16:06:38] <NishanthMenon> bootm_load_os does a cache flush
  • [16:06:42] <mranostay> bradfa: yeee haw!
  • [16:06:48] <_av500_> NishanthMenon: yes, but not disable it
  • [16:06:55] <_av500_> maybe krnel does that at 1st
  • [16:06:59] <bradfa> mranostay, +1
  • [16:08:13] <keesj> cmd_boot (GO) doesn't
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  • [16:10:50] <NishanthMenon> keesj, that sounds like a bug to me
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  • [16:11:52] <woglinde> hi emeb
  • [16:12:17] <emeb> hi woglinde
  • [16:12:35] <NishanthMenon> for bootm, i might have expected arch_preboot_os to disable caches etc, but i dont seem to see v7 implementation for it
  • [16:12:37] <NishanthMenon> funny..
  • [16:13:24] * NishanthMenon wonders if http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/booting.php is still accurate
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  • [16:15:49] * NishanthMenon queries on #u-boot
  • [16:16:37] <_av500_> NishanthMenon: is that URL still running on RMKs armv4 server?
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  • [16:17:58] <NishanthMenon> _av500_, no clue ;)
  • [16:19:15] <keesj> http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=README;h=2352e3862bfa81f4ad2bca262cc26529ac008fd7;hb=HEAD#l5192 ( MMU is not used ) might also be outdated
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  • [16:20:04] <abetusk_w> is the beagle board weather hardened? What temperature ranges can I expect it to work at?
  • [16:20:27] <NishanthMenon> keesj, you'd expect dcache to be OFF
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  • [16:21:35] <keesj> also certainly the MMU but that luckly appears to be true
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  • [16:22:08] * NishanthMenon glares at arch/arm/lib/cache-cp15.c
  • [16:22:26] <jacekowski> abetusk_w: abetusk_w it's in the SRM
  • [16:22:40] <NishanthMenon> keesj, response from Tartarus on #u-boot
  • [16:23:22] <_av500_> and?
  • [16:23:25] <abetusk_w> jacekowski, SRM?
  • [16:23:48] <_av500_> abetusk_w: do not leave it out in the weather
  • [16:23:51] <NishanthMenon> _av500_, seems we leave some stuff on because kernel refuses to do anything about it
  • [16:23:56] <_av500_> at least put a coat
  • [16:24:03] <_av500_> NishanthMenon: lolwut?
  • [16:24:20] <abetusk_w> _av500_, so I can't even bring it outside? It should remain on my desk?
  • [16:24:24] <Tartarus> _av500_: you heard the ma
  • [16:24:25] <Tartarus> n
  • [16:24:50] <jacekowski> abetusk_w: yes
  • [16:24:51] <Tartarus> Gotta be in some special mode or another to fiddle the bits, on OMAP/related
  • [16:25:07] <jacekowski> abetusk_w: it's a development board and it's 0-40C
  • [16:25:08] <Tartarus> I'm too lazy / busy to google up the thread
  • [16:25:13] <Tartarus> largely on linux-arm-kernel
  • [16:25:23] <jacekowski> abetusk_w: and it's just a board, without any weatherproofing on it
  • [16:25:56] <abetusk_w> jacekowski, I'm sorry to hear that. Is there any way to get a ruggidized version?
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  • [16:27:19] <jacekowski> abetusk_w: make your own
  • [16:27:45] <jacekowski> abetusk_w: it's a development board, not something that you would stick in a final device
  • [16:29:25] <abetusk_w> When a development system becomes mature enough, and cheap enough, then it becomes a viable option to make it into final product
  • [16:29:32] <abetusk_w> Linux was a toy operating system to begin with
  • [16:29:43] <abetusk_w> SRM for xM says 0 to 85C
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  • [16:33:36] * panto waits for the hammer to fall
  • [16:34:05] <woglinde> not the needle?
  • [16:35:33] <jsabeaudry> Anyone has played with CONFIG_PREEMPT on the bone on 3.8 ?
  • [16:35:53] * LetoThe2nd abvises to crank up volume on "hammer to fall" by queen.
  • [16:36:54] <koen> jsabeaudry: isn't that on in the default config already?
  • [16:38:00] <jsabeaudry> koen, nope only CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY
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  • [16:59:07] <abetusk_w> There is an omap3530a
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  • [17:20:17] <jsabeaudry> join #devicetree
  • [17:20:20] <jsabeaudry> oops
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  • [17:24:19] <_av500_> tsk tsk tsk
  • [17:24:30] <_av500_> oin #devicetree
  • [17:26:30] <jsabeaudry> How to not have automatically assigned i2c bus numbers? (force a certain bus number)
  • [17:28:53] <panto> jsabeaudry, as it is it's not possible with device tree
  • [17:29:00] <panto> I have an icky patch that does it
  • [17:29:39] <jsabeaudry> panto, i'd love to try that patch :)
  • [17:29:49] <_av500_> why insist on a number?
  • [17:30:06] <jsabeaudry> _av500_, i have a couple of muxes
  • [17:30:21] <jsabeaudry> logical numbering will be better than incremental
  • [17:31:11] <_av500_> cant you give them names via DT?
  • [17:31:15] <_av500_> and query for that?
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  • [17:34:12] <woglinde> av500 this four you
  • [17:34:13] <woglinde> http://www.jfokus.se/embedded/speakers.jsp?lang=en
  • [17:36:35] <_av500_> lol
  • [17:36:43] <_av500_> http://www.jfokus.se/embedded/talks.jsp?lang=en#Do%20you%20like%20coffee%20with%20your%20dessert?%20Java%20and%20the%20Raspberry%20Pi
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  • [17:38:19] <_av500_> jkridner: ^^^^
  • [17:38:38] <mdp> _av500_: tangent...Simon Ritter would be shot on sight in .us wearing that rig.
  • [17:39:25] <woglinde> looks like borg
  • [17:39:34] <mdp> mmmm....bitbanging via java
  • [17:40:16] <_av500_> mdp: remember steve mann in Paris McDonald
  • [17:40:42] <mdp> heh, yeah
  • [17:42:14] <mdp> just being forced to eat at McDonalds is enough to make me assault others.
  • [17:44:40] <mdp> it is interesting that bone blk now comes in under the a13-olinuxino price at digikey
  • [17:45:07] <ka6sox-away> mdp, do they force people to eat at McDonalds where you live?
  • [17:45:40] <mdp> ka6sox-away: it's a cruel and oppressive land...I'm confident it happens.
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  • [17:47:15] <ka6sox> remind me not to move to where you live...
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  • [17:47:50] <_av500_> mcdonalds stuff is full of vitaminC
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  • [17:48:02] <mru> ka6sox: it does sound like a terrible place
  • [17:48:04] <_av500_> so its applied health care if you force people to eat it
  • [17:49:04] <mru> I don't even know where the nearest mcdonald's is
  • [17:49:12] <ka6sox> this morning I went by the McDonalds where the Egg McMuffin was invented...
  • [17:49:26] <mru> might be one in the food court in one of the malls
  • [17:49:43] <_av500_> burgerking is closer here
  • [17:49:59] <mru> bk is also rather grim
  • [17:50:06] <mdp> bitkeeper!
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  • [17:50:10] <_av500_> it has the Whopper!!!
  • [17:50:24] <ka6sox> mru, I'd call it Fatal.
  • [17:50:38] <mru> _av500_: I still prefer the burger at my local pub
  • [17:50:57] <mru> also, bk doesn't serve beer
  • [17:51:03] <mru> and they don't have barmaids
  • [17:52:03] <_av500_> lol at exact math: http://blog.makezine.com/2013/02/06/workshop-wednesday-heat-bending-acrylic-enclosures/
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  • [17:54:03] <mdp> mru, you touched the fatal flaw
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  • [17:58:48] <ka6sox> arrrrr
  • [17:59:13] <mranostay> mdp: forced McD eating? was that in the township bylaws?
  • [17:59:34] <mdp> hehe
  • [17:59:41] <angs> could anyone tell what is the alternative link for http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/sprufd5a/sprufd5a.pdf ?
  • [17:59:42] <mdp> we live free in the township
  • [17:59:45] <_av500_> mranostay: HOA said so
  • [17:59:56] <panto> jsabeaudry, turns out I can't find the patch, but was easy enough to recreate
  • [17:59:57] <panto> http://pastebin.com/Vz8Rwr7v
  • [18:00:20] <_av500_> panto: ever tried git? that can kinda store patches
  • [18:00:22] <panto> jsabeaudry, put an 'index=<val>;' in the dts and it should work
  • [18:00:25] <mdp> angs: what is it?
  • [18:00:38] <panto> _av500_, yes, I've heard of it
  • [18:00:48] <mdp> I have no magic decoder ring for the crazy TI filenames
  • [18:01:09] <Russ> I'm pretty sure by now that spru means trm
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  • [18:01:25] <mdp> that does narrow it down
  • [18:01:36] <mdp> Russ, maybe we can guess it's a TRM for an SoC on a beagle?
  • [18:01:46] <mranostay> mdp: I'm told McD's doesn't suck as bad it used too
  • [18:02:01] <Russ> I'm pretty sure the last letter is a revision
  • [18:02:04] <angs> mdp: I guess it is reference guide for the processor. for GPIO mapping, it is referred to that document on some pages on the net. e.g., http://41j.com/blog/2011/09/beagleboard-gpio-input-driverless/ however, it is a dead link.
  • [18:02:08] <mdp> mranostay, your left coast lifestyle has dain bramaged you ;)
  • [18:02:13] <mru> mranostay: I bet they still don't have beer and barmaids
  • [18:02:18] <_av500_> 3530 TRM
  • [18:02:24] <Russ> so 'a' is a first revision, advance the letter to the expected revision, and the link will work
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  • [18:02:31] * mdp updates _av500_ on the bigboard
  • [18:02:47] <_av500_> mru: sure they have
  • [18:02:52] <_av500_> mcd has beer in germany
  • [18:02:57] <mranostay> mru: no i go to a bar for that
  • [18:02:59] <_av500_> not that I would drink it
  • [18:03:11] <mdp> taco bell had beer on campus...back in the day
  • [18:03:17] <mdp> but crappy .us beer
  • [18:03:19] <ka6sox> mdp, no, but they *do* have sushi boats.
  • [18:03:19] <mranostay> er really?
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  • [18:03:28] <_av500_> hmm, beer
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  • [18:03:46] <mdp> mranostay: it was part of the lifestyle at that uni ;)
  • [18:03:46] <angs> thank you _av500_
  • [18:04:02] <mranostay> mdp: wasn't some guy selling a 30 pack in the parking lot right? :)
  • [18:04:24] <ka6sox> Iron City Beer.
  • [18:04:35] <Russ> mdp, and metro apps, for your uni lifestyle too?
  • [18:04:39] <_av500_> http://www.ti.com/general/docs/lit/getliterature.tsp?literatureNumber=spruf98x&fileType=pdf
  • [18:04:40] <mdp> it was cheaper to drink in the bars that buy packaged beer then...strange as that sounds
  • [18:04:57] <mdp> Russ, +1
  • [18:05:07] <mranostay> mdp: what effing year is this? :)
  • [18:05:19] <mdp> "back in the day"
  • [18:05:31] <mranostay> a cheap good beer at a bar our here is $4
  • [18:05:40] <mranostay> and that is at what CA calls a dive bar
  • [18:05:44] <mdp> I didn't say good beer
  • [18:05:59] <Russ> yup, x is the revision
  • [18:06:00] <mdp> the two good beer places cost real $$$
  • [18:06:09] <Russ> wonder if they go aa after z
  • [18:06:20] <_av500_> Russ: they top production at z
  • [18:06:24] <mdp> Russ, they hope for EOL before that
  • [18:06:24] <_av500_> stop*
  • [18:06:28] <mdp> jinx
  • [18:07:04] <mru> Russ: they do go aa, yes
  • [18:07:10] <mru> it has happened
  • [18:07:21] <_av500_> aaa+ is the best
  • [18:07:29] <_av500_> only the finest TRMs get that
  • [18:07:32] <mranostay> mdp: we need to introduce mru to Keystone Light :)
  • [18:08:05] <mdp> lol
  • [18:08:07] <mru> something tells me that has nothing to do with the local-ish Keystone Brewery
  • [18:08:16] <Russ> I'm glad I'm a wuss that will only drink wheat beers
  • [18:08:32] <mdp> mru, this is guaranteed to be something much more disturbing that you could imagine
  • [18:08:41] <ka6sox> I gave up Beer...too fattening...
  • [18:08:43] <emeb> mranostay: why stop at Keystone - go straight for PBR.
  • [18:08:51] <ka6sox> ewwww
  • [18:09:04] <mdp> are we having a PBR BOF at ELC?
  • [18:09:04] <mru> ka6sox: nonsense, ask anyone who's met me
  • [18:09:19] <mdp> I think we need a group PBR-swilling photo
  • [18:09:34] <mranostay> PBR is probably better than Keystone
  • [18:09:37] * mdp should dig up the blind taste-test where PBR was selected as the best of the crappy beers
  • [18:09:46] <emeb> lol
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  • [18:09:50] <mranostay> mdp: nice title to have
  • [18:09:55] <mdp> emeb: ironic, eh?
  • [18:09:59] <emeb> best of the worst.
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  • [18:10:12] <mranostay> worst of the best?
  • [18:10:21] <emeb> tbh, can't say I've ever actually had a PBR.
  • [18:10:29] <mru> wurst of the beast?
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  • [18:10:48] <koen> PBR?
  • [18:10:55] <mranostay> pabst
  • [18:10:59] <koen> isn't that the beer to drink
  • [18:11:06] <ka6sox> Pabst Blue Ribbon
  • [18:11:18] <davest> PBR is gross
  • [18:11:43] <ka6sox> davest, you fell into the discussion of the best of the worst
  • [18:12:05] <davest> What makes it worse is that hipsters drink it
  • [18:12:28] <woglinde> all hipsters here
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  • [18:12:46] <mranostay> only have a hipster bag that is it i swear :)
  • [18:13:06] <woglinde> no
  • [18:13:17] * ka6sox sends all ELC attendees to Haight and Asbury...
  • [18:13:31] <_av500_> free love?
  • [18:13:50] <davest> ka6sox: isn't there a Gap and Starbucks there now?
  • [18:14:03] * ka6sox checks google
  • [18:14:10] <ka6sox> davest, probably
  • [18:14:10] <koen> ka6sox: toronados?
  • [18:14:25] <mru> koen: now there's an idea
  • [18:14:39] * koen waves to davest
  • [18:14:55] <mranostay> been there once
  • [18:15:05] * davest waves back
  • [18:15:14] * mranostay waves to davest
  • [18:15:19] * _av500_ tries to think of a yocto joke
  • [18:15:30] <woglinde> *g*
  • [18:15:43] <_av500_> maybe the pure mention will do
  • [18:15:51] <_av500_> what is yocto actually?
  • [18:15:59] <mranostay> the octupus are not what they seem
  • [18:16:03] <davest> There are 7000 atoms in the average yocto-human
  • [18:16:28] <_av500_> thats an impressive build cluster
  • [18:16:38] <mru> how many transistors in a yocto-atom?
  • [18:17:01] <mru> _av500_: you mean heating device, no?
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  • [18:17:33] <_av500_> mru: well, we need to compile yocto-atom natively
  • [18:17:52] <davest> We went over 1B transisters per chip a decade ago, but I don't remember what Atom is.
  • [18:18:02] <mranostay> we are scaring davest off :)
  • [18:18:03] <davest> Itanium had 1B trans per chip. :-)
  • [18:18:16] <mranostay> davest: you aren't helping :)
  • [18:18:28] <ka6sox> mranostay, yes, he is.
  • [18:18:37] <mru> davest: and look what good they did it :)
  • [18:18:42] <mranostay> well himself i mean
  • [18:18:48] <mranostay> great for the trolls :)
  • [18:19:14] <davest> I can always count on #beagle to cut my ego down
  • [18:19:27] <mru> it would be interesting to see some performance per transistor figures for various cpus
  • [18:20:19] <davest> mru: more dependent on process technology (generation) and workload of course.
  • [18:20:20] <ka6sox> mru, using what units for measurement?
  • [18:20:30] <ka6sox> s/for/of/
  • [18:20:41] <davest> Some versions of itanic had a complete x86 instruction set in there
  • [18:20:44] <ka6sox> bah...3.8-rc6 still.
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  • [18:21:31] * mdp throws another empty PBR can in the back of his truck.
  • [18:23:01] <mranostay> starting early?
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  • [18:42:01] <ka6sox> serious Beagle question: where do I find out what the Beagleboard Linux SDK v5.03 is/was?
  • [18:44:31] * _av500_ hears SDK and runs
  • [18:44:52] * ka6sox grabs hooks and pulls av500 back.
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  • [18:45:25] * mranostay tasers _av500_
  • [18:45:31] <_av500_> ka6sox: its a TI product, so please contact your TI rep
  • [18:45:47] <_av500_> http://osdir.com/ml/beagleboard/2011-12/msg00678.html
  • [18:45:51] * mranostay hands ka6sox a bottle of unmarked liquor
  • [18:46:46] <ka6sox> your googlefoo is better than mine _av500_
  • [18:46:51] <_av500_> yes
  • [18:47:12] <_av500_> at least something I am good at....
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  • [18:48:37] <mranostay> you are good at reposting art
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  • [18:50:13] <mdp> full of damn stars
  • [18:50:15] * ka6sox throws that in the box with the A3 and ships it off.
  • [18:50:36] <ka6sox> Dave Bowman
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  • [19:25:06] <_av500_> mdp: http://skilldrick.github.com/easy6502/
  • [19:25:51] * ka6sox learned assembly on a 6502....loved it since.
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  • [19:29:58] <mdp> nice
  • [19:30:09] <mdp> classic game example
  • [19:32:39] <_av500_> using a 6502 taught me that I want to program in C
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  • [19:34:07] <mean_admin> Getting very slow Ethernet speeds on beaglebone with embedded Ubuntu. Other machines on the network get legit speeds
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  • [19:35:31] <_av500_> what does dmesg say?
  • [19:35:42] <_av500_> and top?
  • [19:35:51] <_av500_> also, define slow
  • [19:36:07] <mdp> and legit
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  • [19:39:25] <mean_admin> it starts at 10kB, slows down to about 3kB
  • [19:39:29] <mean_admin> no CPU usage really
  • [19:39:32] <mean_admin> other machines get MB/s
  • [19:39:40] <djlewis> ka6sox: leaarned assembly on a vax
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  • [19:40:01] <mean_admin> trying to figure out if maybe it's confused as to the link layer speed or something
  • [19:40:02] <mru> old troll is old
  • [19:40:28] <ka6sox> djlewis, which model?
  • [19:42:17] <djlewis> ka6sox: iirc, 11-780
  • [19:42:51] <djlewis> a stupid washing machine shaped system. dull to look upon.
  • [19:43:40] <ka6sox> ya we had one of those...had a GPU (size of a refrigerator)
  • [19:43:43] <djlewis> ka6sox: i found that x86 ass'y was very similar to use.
  • [19:44:08] <ka6sox> I hated the segment register...got confused...till I got to 6809E
  • [19:44:35] <djlewis> I had a chance to get one for pennies but couldnt justify the cost of electricity to run it.
  • [19:44:40] <ka6sox> no kidding
  • [19:45:29] <ka6sox> the 11/780(GPU)/Cray Y-MP/IBM3090 is now replaced by my i3770k
  • [19:45:57] <djlewis> we have a state redistribution all discharged equipment goes to. public can buy there.
  • [19:46:38] <djlewis> there is an old pdp-11, iirc, that was cool with lots of lights and switches.
  • [19:46:49] <djlewis> wouldnt mind having one of them.
  • [19:47:08] <ka6sox> If I could get the PDP/8E I started on I'd buy it....just for nostalgia
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  • [19:48:48] <djlewis> ka6sox: yes, it is cool looking too.
  • [19:49:38] <ka6sox> I just laugh at the amount of hardware we needed to run those simulations in 1987 vs what I can do with my desktop today.
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  • [19:51:35] <mranostay> ka6sox: want to know what i was doing in 1987? :)
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  • [19:53:11] <mean_admin> the driver for the beagle is the TI CPSW driver, thinking of maybe having to change versions, forward or backwards
  • [19:53:23] <ka6sox> djlewis, the 'Bone is probably faster than all that!
  • [19:53:26] <Russ> mean_admin, my bone gets about 4200kB/s from kernel.org
  • [19:54:49] <mru> mranostay: were you even born then?
  • [19:55:13] <Russ> with the limitation probably being kernel.org
  • [19:55:53] <Crofton|work> koen, are there any capes with a DAC on it
  • [19:56:00] <mranostay> mru: barely
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  • [19:57:35] <mru> it was probably around that time, maybe a little later, that I wiped out the root directory on my dad's work laptop (msdos)
  • [19:57:46] <mru> unintentionally
  • [19:58:17] <Russ> mean_admin, if I stream from a local webserver, I get 5651kB/s
  • [19:58:28] <Russ> so that's probably around the limit for tcp traffic
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  • [19:59:13] <mean_admin> Russ: I get 3kB which leads me to believe it's a driver issue
  • [19:59:33] <mean_admin> Russ: or a configuration issue but I don't see config issues slowing connection down to 3kB
  • [19:59:40] <mean_admin> also, there are no dropped packets or errors on the lin
  • [19:59:42] <mean_admin> line*
  • [20:00:02] <mranostay> mru: sure it was :)
  • [20:00:29] <mru> of course it was unintentional
  • [20:00:44] <mru> it meant I couldn't play with it until he took it back and had it restored
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  • [20:52:51] <koen> Crofton|work: not sure
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  • [20:58:30] <Crofton|work> a frined wants a cape with some AD, DA and some thermocouples :)
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  • [20:58:56] <ds2> Crofton|work: what speed of AD and DA?
  • [20:59:03] <Crofton|work> not sure
  • [20:59:09] <Crofton|work> getting him to email me
  • [20:59:19] <ds2> is the onboard AD not good enough?
  • [20:59:44] <Crofton|work> not sure
  • [20:59:49] <Crofton|work> he is a mechanical engineer
  • [21:00:06] <ds2> oh
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  • [21:04:49] <Russ> for a thermocouple, you'll need a cape for the silicon temp sensor
  • [21:05:23] <ds2> or you can toss in an op-amp
  • [21:05:25] <ds2> and use the AD
  • [21:05:34] <koen> the thermocouple chip datasheet makes me believe that it's unpossible to measure accurately
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  • [21:05:43] <koen> even with cold junction compensation
  • [21:05:46] <Russ> ds2, you need to know the temp of the cold junction
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  • [21:08:30] <koen> has anyone seen multichannel thermocouple ampllifiers?
  • [21:08:43] <koen> I can only find single channel ones, and those are all SPI
  • [21:08:56] <koen> which costs me a CS for each probe
  • [21:09:24] <mdp> or a gpio for each probe
  • [21:09:33] <Russ> time for an spi to gpio chip?
  • [21:09:49] <mdp> spi to gpio to spi to gpio to spi
  • [21:09:56] <Russ> why not just use an analog mux
  • [21:09:59] <mdp> an unexpected journey
  • [21:10:23] <Russ> do you really need to measure all of them constantly?
  • [21:13:28] <ds2> Russ: yes. isn't there a temp sensor on the 335x?
  • [21:13:53] <ds2> koen: what about using a MSP430?
  • [21:15:04] <Russ> ds2, temp on the am335x would probably differ from temp at the cold junction
  • [21:15:28] <ds2> Russ: yes, but you don't think the difference is mostly fixed?
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  • [21:16:53] <Russ> I guess it depends on how accurate you want it to be
  • [21:18:01] <jet> I'm doing a program in c++ using mmap to set or read gpio. Is there a way to enable pull-up resistors directly in memory?
  • [21:18:03] <koen> read the datasheets of a thermocouple amplifier
  • [21:18:30] <koen> it has notes on how far away it can be from the connection
  • [21:18:30] <jet> I can't see anything in the AM335x arm doc
  • [21:18:34] <ds2> koen: I think there was an appnote on MSP430's as a TC input
  • [21:18:39] <koen> and what kind of connection is allowed
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  • [21:19:09] <ds2> it can be traded off for accuracy
  • [21:19:30] <ds2> if the trade off is less then 1LSB of the ADC...
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  • [21:53:15] <ds2> @#$@#@#$@#$ bone SRM requires one to run SQL in their heads to sort out pin muxes :(
  • [21:54:34] <agmlego> So write something better.
  • [21:55:43] <mru> paste it into the console of your favourite db
  • [21:56:08] <ds2> I am
  • [21:56:22] <ds2> problem is the names they are choosing is arbritrary
  • [21:56:42] <ds2> so that needs to be cross referenced with the real name which inturn needs to be cross referenced back to find the mode
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  • [22:02:34] <mdp> ds2, bradfa has a better table
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  • [22:02:57] <mdp> https://github.com/bradfa/beaglebone_pinmux_tables
  • [22:03:10] <bradfa> +1
  • [22:03:17] <ds2> mdp: actually... can the official pinmux tool generate structures for both the kernel and ub2 now?
  • [22:03:20] <bradfa> print it on 11x17" paper
  • [22:03:26] <mdp> ds2, no idea
  • [22:03:30] <ds2> bradfa: blah
  • [22:03:44] <ds2> i am 2/3 done working it out
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  • [22:04:58] <mdp> bradfa, I sent it out to become a despair.com poster, "Insanity: because the design team *does* hate you"
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  • [22:18:24] <mranostay> mdp: you a famous linkedin person as well?
  • [22:18:38] <mdp> I doubt it
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  • [22:30:49] <sdjq> I am outputting 1s and 0s by fp= fopen("/sys/class/gpio/gpio139/value", "w");fprintf(fp, "%d", output[i]);fclose(fp); usleep(416); however the time between two value is 890 microseconds when I measure by an oscilloscope. am I having delay because of fopen fprintf?
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  • [22:35:02] <sdjq> or I should not have such delay for that speed to use GPIO from the userland?
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  • [22:38:41] <Russ> are you at least making that processes scheduling RT?
  • [22:39:32] <Russ> also, I don't think you need to close and reopen, just rewind
  • [22:42:47] <sdjq> Russ: thank you, I will use rewind and amend the program. I don't do any process scheduling.
  • [22:44:05] <Russ> then you really can't expect any such accuracy
  • [22:44:17] <ds2> if you are doing anything that cares about time, do not do it in userspace
  • [22:44:20] <jakllsch> also, at least on some platforms, usleep could be a whole tick
  • [22:44:38] <Russ> also, if you are just doing pwm, use the pwm
  • [22:44:52] <ds2> do we have drivers for PWM yet?
  • [22:44:56] <sdjq> I am using beagleboard
  • [22:45:18] <Russ> even if there isn't a driver, there is always pwm-gpio
  • [22:45:34] <ds2> heh
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  • [22:46:03] <ds2> doubt if that will work well at like 1MHz base
  • [22:46:19] <Russ> It looks like he's looking for 5kHz
  • [22:46:29] <Russ> or so
  • [22:46:35] <ds2> oh
  • [22:46:44] <sdjq> yeah
  • [22:46:47] <sdjq> could you suggest me any document for me to learn process scheduling?
  • [22:47:33] <ds2> try the source
  • [22:47:57] <jakllsch> also posix realtime extensions
  • [22:48:26] <Russ> man sched_setscheduler
  • [22:48:33] <mranostay> ahem google
  • [22:49:05] <sdjq> thank you
  • [22:49:47] <Russ> if you really need an accurate pwm on am/dm37x, I would look into using a gp timer as a pwm source
  • [22:51:25] <sdjq> thank you Russ
  • [22:51:44] <ds2> what is this PWM driving?
  • [22:51:46] <ds2> LEDs?
  • [22:53:21] <Russ> there goes ds2 again, always trying to get to the root of the problem
  • [22:56:03] <sdjq> I have one more question, I get the GPIO signal at 3.3V, I need to amplify GPIO signal to 16V. is there any off shelf product that I could use?
  • [22:56:27] <ds2> see "TRANSISTOR"
  • [22:56:33] <ds2> also see "TRIODE"
  • [22:57:22] <mranostay> and possibly boost converter
  • [22:57:29] <mru> don't forget the pentodes
  • [22:57:40] <mru> and has anyone seen a yoctode?
  • [22:57:41] <mranostay> now we are getting silly
  • [22:57:49] <mru> only now?
  • [22:57:56] <mranostay> touche
  • [22:58:23] <Russ> I think it's best to use loosely packed iron filings
  • [22:59:14] <mru> I prefer iron _oxide_ mixed up _aluminium_ filings
  • [22:59:28] <ds2> mru: on a different note - do you know what exactly does gdb mean when it says a function parameter is <optimized out>? i.e. is contents not even available in r0 or... (this is on ARM)
  • [22:59:58] <mru> ds2: it means the value you are looking for is not available at that point in the program
  • [23:00:30] <ds2> mru: this is in a backtrace for an intermediate stack frame. how cna that be possible?
  • [23:01:05] <ds2> or does it mean that it ran out of scope early?
  • [23:01:12] <mru> argument registers are volatile
  • [23:01:31] <mranostay> are we talking about thermite?
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  • [23:01:45] <ds2> got it.
  • [23:02:15] <mru> if the called function reused the argument register, there's no way you can know what value was passed in
  • [23:02:28] <mru> this is why I don't use debuggers much
  • [23:02:43] <mranostay> mru: *bang*
  • [23:03:13] <mru> mranostay: from thermite, not really
  • [23:03:41] <mranostay> thermite + ice
  • [23:03:43] <ds2> thanks.
  • [23:03:54] <mru> mranostay: interesting idea
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  • [23:29:39] <jet> Is there pull-up resistors for the gpio on the beagle bone?
  • [23:29:54] <mranostay> jet: yeah
  • [23:30:26] <jet> is there a way to control them directly the memory map?
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  • [23:31:10] <mranostay> yeah but that is horrible way to do it
  • [23:32:12] <jet> I understand how to do to enable output or not, to read, to write
  • [23:32:32] <jet> but I can't find in the doc how to control the pull-up resistors
  • [23:32:45] <mranostay> use the mux settings
  • [23:34:38] <jet> what do you mean by mux settings?
  • [23:35:24] <jet> you mean /sys/kernel/debug/omap_mux ?
  • [23:36:03] <mranostay> yeah
  • [23:37:06] <mranostay> you can control the pinmux for that gpio... example echo 0x16 > xyz_pin would put it to setting 6 with a pull up
  • [23:49:34] <jet> thanks
  • [23:49:47] <jet> I can't find the value of the pull-up and pulldown resistors
  • [23:52:47] <Russ> did you try the trm?
  • [23:55:00] <jet> yes, but I might have missed it
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