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  • [01:42:27] <hobbit> stangely quiet in the shire
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  • [02:52:08] <ka6sox-away> everyone is travelling home now
  • [02:54:36] <prpplague> or has gotten eaten by trolls
  • [02:56:20] <emeb_mac> mmm.. trolls
  • [03:15:37] <hobbit> trolls like hobbit-meat
  • [03:15:49] <hobbit> but this hobbit has the invisible ring
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  • [05:25:37] <ds2> stop drinking at 2PM!
  • [05:27:42] <mranostay> never!
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  • [06:17:17] <Crofton> we should be coming back online soon
  • [06:17:28] <Crofton> many of the trolls should be home now
  • [06:17:34] * Crofton is not through
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  • [07:01:55] <mranostay> Russ: rocking out the BGA?
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  • [07:11:22] <Russ> mranostay, yup
  • [07:11:50] <Russ> http://www.flickr.com/photos/russdill/8444081122/
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  • [07:27:16] <mrpackethead_> russ, mranostay nice to see you
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  • [07:29:15] <mrpackethead_> oh don't say that
  • [07:31:22] <mrpackethead_> my desk has dents in it toda
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  • [07:31:32] <mrpackethead_> one bit of code is eluding me..
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  • [08:16:52] <panto> hello
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  • [08:39:47] <mrpackethead_> hi panto
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  • [10:53:43] <jackmitchell> pinctrl is giving me some jip, I have two devices on an SPI bus and it gives me errors stating that the pins have already been requested when the second device is probed
  • [10:54:11] <jackmitchell> then when I reload the module I get a kernel oops
  • [10:54:52] <jackmitchell> and it looks like it's comparing a null string in pin_request function
  • [10:55:56] <jackmitchell> so, what should you do in the case of two devices on the same bus, and requesting the pins twice?
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  • [11:01:51] <yegorich> Hi! I'm trying to get WLAN working on my am335x Starter Kit. Where can I find the source code and .config for the kernel I find on the supplied microSD card?
  • [11:02:23] <yegorich> In theory it is this branch: http://arago-project.org/git/projects/?p=linux-am33x.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/AM335XPSP_04.06.00.08
  • [11:03:04] <yegorich> according to http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AMSDK_Linux_User%27s_Guide I execute make am335x_evm_defconfig
  • [11:04:14] <yegorich> but this config has very little WLAN drivers active, so I have to select the whole stuff myself and the mmc subsystem doesn't find any card on mmc1
  • [11:05:40] <yegorich> the kernel on the supplied microSD card find the WLAN card, but I need some debugging output and need to rebuild the kernel myself
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  • [11:33:51] <panto> jackmitchell, if that's the case the pins should be requested by a parent device once
  • [11:34:14] <panto> AFAIKT there's no way to handle the case where devices request the same pins
  • [11:38:23] <jackmitchell> panto: hmm, ok, I have fired a message off to the linux-arm list to try and get some more feedback
  • [11:38:32] <jackmitchell> in this case though the spi device is the parent
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  • [11:38:51] <panto> err, why not modify the pinctrl entries there?
  • [11:39:03] <panto> what is your use case?
  • [11:39:19] <jackmitchell> I also need extra pins for each parent, 1 sec
  • [11:39:25] <jackmitchell> https://pastee.org/6e2nt
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  • [11:39:27] <panto> because it sounds like you're trying to pinmux the spi rx/tx & clk lines
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  • [11:39:48] <panto> in that case you pinctl the host controller device
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  • [11:41:13] <jackmitchell> ok, is there a way to only pinctrl the slave devices, would it be something to do with changing the default naming to make sure that it didn't propogate down?
  • [11:42:27] <panto> I don't understand why you need to pinctrl both devices
  • [11:42:50] <panto> what is it that you want to do?
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  • [11:45:25] <jackmitchell> I have two slave devices on SPI, which require extra GPIO, so when they get probed I need to setup the pinctrl for those extra pins I need, so I don't need to pinctrl the spi parent specifically but I need it setup at some point initially
  • [11:46:18] <panto> so, if they share a gpio how do the control access to it?
  • [11:46:24] <panto> *do they
  • [11:46:56] <panto> what kind of extra gpio is it? is it a reset?
  • [11:47:55] <jackmitchell> they don't share the gpio's, one is an interrupt, two more are used for read/write latching
  • [11:48:07] <jackmitchell> so 3 extra gpios per slave device
  • [11:48:56] <panto> wait, so why not pinctrl each slave device?
  • [11:49:04] <panto> can you pastebin your dtb?
  • [11:49:06] <panto> *dts
  • [11:49:17] <jackmitchell> https://pastee.org/6e2nt
  • [11:51:07] <panto> it seems that should work
  • [11:51:22] <panto> I don't see any conflicts
  • [11:52:02] <panto> which pins conflict?
  • [11:52:12] <jackmitchell> Jan 25 15:04:54 beaglebone user.err kernel: [ 67.319188] pinctrl-single 44e10800.pinmux: pin 44e1099c already requested by 48030000.spi; cannot claim for spi2.1
  • [11:52:12] <jackmitchell> Jan 25 15:04:54 beaglebone user.err kernel: [ 67.330496] pinctrl-single 44e10800.pinmux: pin-103 (spi2.1) status -22
  • [11:52:12] <jackmitchell> Jan 25 15:04:54 beaglebone user.err kernel: [ 67.337555] pinctrl-single 44e10800.pinmux: could not request pin 103 on device pinctrl-single
  • [11:52:44] <jackmitchell> should I be freeing pins in the remove function, or are the references counted automaticall?
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  • [11:53:08] <jackmitchell> but, that flags up on the first insmod regardless
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  • [11:54:57] <panto> can I see spi0_pins_s0, & spi1_pins_s0 too?
  • [11:55:10] <b52> if anyone is interested in buying a bb rev a5 check http://www.ebay.de/itm/181074186881
  • [11:56:08] <jackmitchell> https://pastee.org/uv5k8 - thats patch I use on top of koens tree
  • [11:57:43] <panto> 0x19c 0x13 /* mcasp0_ahclkr.spi1_cs0, OUTPUT_PULLUP | MODE3 */
  • [11:57:43] <panto>
  • [11:57:49] <panto> 0x19c 0x7
  • [11:57:50] <panto>
  • [11:58:04] <panto> card1 conflicts with spi1
  • [11:59:46] <jackmitchell> panto: ah, panto you legend
  • [12:00:27] <jackmitchell> that makes sense as I don't use the chip selects and as such I reused them
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  • [12:51:24] <tsjsieb> b52: are you selling it?
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  • [13:02:52] <b52> tsjsieb: yeah
  • [13:03:31] <tsjsieb> b52: how much do you want for it?
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  • [13:06:10] <b52> dunno
  • [13:08:13] <tsjsieb> I would like to buy one, what about 30 euro inc shipping?
  • [13:08:44] <b52> I dont think so
  • [13:12:28] <tsjsieb> k :( , would be a better alternative to buying a raspberry :(
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  • [16:08:17] * _av500_ curses FOSSflu
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  • [16:11:15] <emeb> got a case of the con crud?
  • [16:11:44] <_av500_> yeah
  • [16:11:58] <alan_o> Which con?
  • [16:12:11] <mranostay> _av500_: actually sick? or just don't want to go back to work
  • [16:12:32] * emeb had something a few weeks ago - 4 days of fever.
  • [16:12:51] <_av500_> mranostay:sssh
  • [16:13:55] <ka6sox> ugh...I do *not* need this.
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  • [16:16:50] <mranostay> ka6sox: need what?
  • [16:17:01] <ogra> fevar
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  • [16:17:42] <ka6sox> Fevah
  • [16:17:50] <_av500_> furver
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  • [16:18:09] <ka6sox> okay, brb...heading out to office
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  • [16:27:49] * mdp senses many people on the post FOSS conference high of, "I am inspired by so many amazing sessions / hallways chats . . . oh crap, I'm back to reality today!! :("
  • [16:29:58] <mranostay> hehe
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  • [16:40:25] <mranostay> prpplague: purple!
  • [16:41:04] <prpplague> mranostay: hey bud
  • [16:41:07] <_av500_> ho
  • [16:41:15] <alan_o> woot, prpplague!
  • [16:41:24] <panto> hi prpplague
  • [16:42:23] <prpplague> greetings all
  • [16:42:49] <mdp> greetings and saltytations, prpplague
  • [16:43:50] <prpplague> what's cookin today?
  • [16:44:10] <mranostay> rabbit
  • [16:44:15] <_av500_> wabiit
  • [16:44:40] <mranostay> you know how non-PC that show would be today? :)
  • [16:44:47] <mranostay> making fun of a guy with a lisp
  • [16:46:13] <_av500_> I cannot insult lisp users any more?
  • [16:46:25] <_av500_> what about their parens?
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  • [17:04:45] <mdp> lol
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  • [17:42:43] <mranostay> heh
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  • [17:55:16] <prpplague> hehe i can't believe people are still buying and using the beacon board
  • [17:55:39] <mranostay> heh nice markup on that board if may say so :)
  • [17:55:54] <prpplague> mranostay: hehe, only because you know the cost of the board, hehe
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  • [17:56:09] <emeb> do beagle accessories still sell?
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  • [17:56:38] <prpplague> emeb: not as much as before but yea
  • [17:56:44] <emeb> hmmm...
  • [17:56:46] <prpplague> emeb: we've gotten rid of most of them
  • [17:57:18] <prpplague> emeb: but i was just about to say, i just got an email from an indian university that wants a beacon board for the bone
  • [17:57:19] <emeb> I've got this design for a rev 2 beagle FPGA board that is known good but needs to be respun.
  • [17:57:23] <prpplague> they want to order 500
  • [17:57:41] <emeb> wow - that's a bunch.
  • [17:57:52] <prpplague> emeb: oh right, i need to ping you about a design
  • [17:57:58] <mranostay> prpplague: you respin your talk any for ELC?
  • [17:58:03] <emeb> prpplague: cool - anytime
  • [17:58:15] <prpplague> mranostay: the i2c one, yea
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  • [18:50:50] <KotH> n'abend
  • [19:00:09] <mranostay> hey chocolate dude
  • [19:00:34] * djlewis chscks in..
  • [19:00:38] <djlewis> checks
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  • [19:04:13] <KotH> hey american youngster dude!
  • [19:04:35] <KotH> you missed a great conference! :-)
  • [19:05:00] <dm8tbr> +1
  • [19:05:58] <KotH> dm8tbr: btw: where were you the last two days?
  • [19:06:04] <KotH> i've not seen you anywhere
  • [19:06:45] <KotH> dm8tbr: btw: you want to have a look at the new edition of the tietze schenk
  • [19:06:57] <dm8tbr> KotH: different interests it seems ;)
  • [19:07:07] <KotH> dm8tbr: they expanded it greatly and now it contains nearly everything you ever wanted to know about electronics :)
  • [19:07:29] <dm8tbr> hehe
  • [19:07:34] * KotH just received it and had an instand EE-gasm
  • [19:07:39] <dm8tbr> :D
  • [19:07:43] <KotH> instant*
  • [19:07:52] <koen> how to put the magic smoke back in?
  • [19:08:09] <KotH> ofc! no book would be complete without that!
  • [19:17:26] <mranostay> how to blame someone other than you for it?
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  • [19:28:28] <mdp> mranostay, the art of avoiding responsibility is just that, an art. ;)
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  • [19:30:11] <Russ> electronics conference?
  • [19:30:42] <mranostay> uh oh just saw a coworker go buy with a cardboard box
  • [19:32:11] <prpplague> mranostay: did it smell like there was a dead cat in it?
  • [19:32:22] <mdp> mranostay, amazon smiley on the side?
  • [19:32:49] <prpplague> mranostay / mdp btw, i have lots of stickers for you guys
  • [19:32:56] <mdp> was the box in question, brown in color?
  • [19:32:58] <Russ> was there a plant in the box?
  • [19:33:11] <KotH> Russ: fosdem
  • [19:33:12] <_av500_> a severed head of course
  • [19:33:24] <Russ> didn't realize that was EE
  • [19:33:25] <_av500_> what people put in boxes these days
  • [19:33:34] <prpplague> did your geiger cape go nuts when it passed by?
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  • [19:33:59] <mdp> _av500_: and a plant to make use of the decomposing organic material...this makes sense
  • [19:34:07] <KotH> Russ: not ee per se... but lots of freaks that do not mind holding a soldering iron
  • [19:34:13] <_av500_> mdp: yes
  • [19:34:18] <_av500_> mdp: be green
  • [19:35:02] <KotH> _av500_: btw: i think you passed your sore throat onto me ^^'
  • [19:35:07] <mdp> reuse, repurpose, recycle
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  • [19:44:51] <_av500_> KotH: yes, why throw it away and waste it
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  • [20:04:38] <mrpackethead_> trolls
  • [20:05:28] <mru> trolls trolls troll troll trolls
  • [20:06:55] <xxiao> if math emulation and soft-float are both on, which one will be used by default
  • [20:07:03] <mrpackethead_> in deed in deed.
  • [20:07:32] <mru> soft-float is a compiler setting, math emu a kernel one
  • [20:07:46] <xxiao> mru: know that, if both one, which one will be used?
  • [20:07:51] <xxiao> s/one/on/
  • [20:07:57] <mru> the question does not make sense
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  • [20:08:32] <mrpackethead_> .
  • [20:08:42] <mru> ,
  • [20:08:52] <KotH> ;
  • [20:09:03] <_av500_> :
  • [20:09:05] <xxiao> ok, i build a rootfs with soft-float, i have floating point instructions in my app, meanwhile kernel can trap floating instructions, who is going to do the real flaoting calculation
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  • [20:09:28] <mru> if you build with soft-float, you by definition do not have fp instructions
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  • [20:09:35] <mru> that's what softfloat means
  • [20:09:58] <_av500_> maybe he means fp with soft calling convenctions
  • [20:10:10] <mru> then he should say that
  • [20:10:27] <koen> maybe he reads phoronix and ubuntu forums
  • [20:10:31] <xxiao> i have just _one_ new fpu instruction that is not in soft-float yet, and want to put it to kernel trap, however want to let the rest general fpu instructions handled by soft-float
  • [20:10:51] <mrpackethead> mmm..
  • [20:10:56] <_av500_> +1
  • [20:11:00] <mru> now I suspect there's something important you're not telling us
  • [20:11:08] <_av500_> his PIN code
  • [20:11:08] * koen senses arago induced braindamage
  • [20:11:30] <koen> and a 2.6.37 kernel
  • [20:11:35] <mrpackethead> xxiao: please give us the numbers to your bitcoin bank account
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  • [20:12:01] <_av500_> koen: is the arago kernel better than the linux one?
  • [20:12:37] <koen> yes, it's on the a-list
  • [20:13:08] <xxiao> have not checked at arago for a few months, still 2.6.37/
  • [20:13:10] <xxiao> ?
  • [20:13:23] <xxiao> even freescale is doing 3.0!
  • [20:14:21] <mdp> mmm, a-listers
  • [20:15:00] <mranostay> xxiao: you want new or one that works? :)
  • [20:15:55] <panto> 2.4 were the best; 2001 was the best year for vintage kernel
  • [20:15:58] <panto> *kernels
  • [20:16:08] <panto> k, have to catch some zzzzs
  • [20:16:09] * mranostay smacks panto
  • [20:16:18] <panto> cya tomorrow people and mranostay
  • [20:16:23] <mranostay> i'm people too!
  • [20:16:29] <panto> prove it
  • [20:16:36] <Russ> c'mon, 2.2 on ARM?
  • [20:16:40] <Russ> that was the bomb
  • [20:16:49] <mranostay> old farts in here :)
  • [20:16:50] <panto> cya
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  • [20:17:01] <xxiao> new kernels are for servers _only_, that's what Linus was hired for nowadays
  • [20:17:24] <xxiao> http://thealisters.com/
  • [20:17:29] <mrpackethead> what myth is being propogated today...
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  • [20:24:00] <djlewis> old farts never blow away, they just get older
  • [20:25:33] <mdp> mrpackethead: we are creating the new truth
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  • [20:33:21] <_av500_> a better truth
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  • [20:46:42] <prpplague> anyone have experience with the velleman LAB1U workstation? https://www.vellemanusa.com/products/view/?id=522812 , seems interesting
  • [20:47:57] <ynezz> nice
  • [20:48:41] <_av500_> prpplague: not the unix philosophy
  • [20:48:55] <_av500_> reminds me of TVs with inbuilt VCRs
  • [20:49:02] <_av500_> hugely popular
  • [20:49:02] <prpplague> _av500_: ahh
  • [20:49:38] <prpplague> _av500_: i am remodeling my shop in my garage and thought that it would be a good secondary workstation
  • [20:49:53] <_av500_> do you trust that multimeter?
  • [20:50:05] <_av500_> inside the same case a PSU and transformer for the iron?
  • [20:50:27] <prpplague> _av500_: there are in seperate cases, they are modular
  • [20:50:40] <_av500_> do you trust the cheap pot in that PSU to not fail and go to full voltage?
  • [20:50:40] <prpplague> just fit on a base
  • [20:50:50] <prpplague> hehe
  • [20:51:03] <prpplague> _av500_: well i trust velleman to some extent
  • [20:51:25] <djlewis> spare parts avail?
  • [20:52:14] <_av500_> prpplague: check the PDF, no separate cases
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  • [20:52:23] <_av500_> at least the DMM is battery powered
  • [20:52:29] <_av500_> its still nonsense
  • [20:52:39] <_av500_> youd want the iron with you in a car one day
  • [20:52:53] <prpplague> _av500_: yea i have one here, they are in separate cases, but with a piece of plastic that holds them together
  • [20:53:00] <_av500_> or some other spot where you dont want to lug the rest around
  • [20:53:14] <_av500_> not in the PDF
  • [20:53:19] <_av500_> there a pic of it open
  • [20:53:24] <_av500_> but anyway
  • [20:53:34] <koen> prpplague: want to have a beagle* with a 7" LCD running pulseview at ELC?
  • [20:53:59] <prpplague> koen: hehe
  • [20:54:31] * koen suspects it's will be an xM for DMA capable USB
  • [20:54:33] <prpplague> koen: be nice, but i personally don't have the time to work on anything else for ELC
  • [20:54:58] <prpplague> koen: already got myself volunteered for the beagle tutorials
  • [20:55:29] <_av500_> koen: if you fly me over I can help you at the booth :)
  • [20:56:14] <prpplague> koen: i hope to have my new hdmi/dvi breakout board there for people to look at
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  • [21:13:06] <keesj> is the devicetree needed for Angstrom/3.2.16/beagleboard ?
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  • [21:56:35] <koen> keesj: no
  • [21:56:51] <koen> keesj: it's not even possible with 3.2.x/beagle
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  • [22:09:51] <mranostay> you mean only evil koen's evil vendor tree has it?
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  • [22:12:42] <CareBear\> koen : would have been fun to say hi at fosdem - sorry I missed you
  • [22:13:18] * _av500_ needs to take 2 clones to next FOSDEM
  • [22:13:37] <CareBear\> yes, good plan
  • [22:13:53] <_av500_> jonmasters had at least one with him
  • [22:14:31] <mranostay> heh
  • [22:14:56] <_av500_> hmm, some blog just reviewed two movies in the same order that I just saw them. I wonder if they use the same file sharing site :)
  • [22:15:38] * mranostay reports _av500_
  • [22:16:05] <_av500_> +1
  • [22:16:20] <_av500_> I mean, use only for "inspiration" of course
  • [22:17:28] * mranostay wants to cluebat the person that has a VNC session open to get a console
  • [22:17:41] <keesj> thanks.
  • [22:17:44] <mranostay> that isn't bad except the fiberlamp screensaver is taking up 50% of one core
  • [22:18:08] <_av500_> you still have 7.5 other cores, no?
  • [22:18:17] <_av500_> -ENOBIGDEAL
  • [22:18:21] <mranostay> 3.5
  • [22:18:28] <_av500_> penny pincher
  • [22:18:58] <mranostay> not in charge of purchasing here
  • [22:19:09] <_av500_> its not about purchasing
  • [22:19:16] <_av500_> more about re-arranging PCs
  • [22:19:19] <_av500_> :)
  • [22:19:46] <mranostay> more like never heard of screen
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  • [22:28:36] <mru> mranostay: vnc can be used for other things than viewing the console on virtual machines?
  • [22:29:25] <mranostay> well that would great if that is what they were doing :)
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  • [22:31:46] <mdp> xrdb is the tool of choice for sharing console
  • [22:31:57] <mdp> p!
  • [22:32:08] <mru> xrdb is something rather different...
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  • [22:34:32] <mdp> it serves only to please our windows friends
  • [22:34:33] <_av500_> what happened to faxing screen shots?
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  • [22:39:00] * mranostay whistles and does a 'apt-get remove xscreensaver'
  • [22:39:14] <_av500_> nooooooooooo
  • [22:41:07] <Kristina> Hm.
  • [22:41:14] <Kristina> I'm confused.
  • [22:41:25] <mranostay> aren't we all?
  • [22:41:33] <Kristina> Where does the bootrom load my image when it reads it off MMC?
  • [22:41:43] <mru> sram
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  • [22:41:57] <Kristina> And where is SRAM on Beagle xM?
  • [22:42:02] <mru> onchip
  • [22:42:08] <Kristina> I mean the offset.
  • [22:42:13] <mru> that's in the trm
  • [22:42:26] <mru> starts with a 4 iirc
  • [22:43:38] <Kristina> Oh, wow, do I only get 64KB for stage0?
  • [22:43:43] <_av500_> yes
  • [22:43:50] <_av500_> in fact, no
  • [22:43:52] <mru> that's why the bootloader is split
  • [22:43:57] <_av500_> you can boot from *raw* MMC
  • [22:44:03] <_av500_> and add a configuration header
  • [22:44:13] <_av500_> in that case you can setup SDRAM and have all the space you want
  • [22:44:29] <_av500_> but you lose the convenience of FAT32
  • [22:44:39] <Kristina> _av500_: I'm booting from raw anyway.
  • [22:44:50] <Kristina> Well, trying to.
  • [22:45:23] <_av500_> Kristina: http://nishanthmenon.blogspot.de/2009/05/configuration-header-no-more-x-loader.html
  • [22:48:07] <Kristina> I'm trying to make my bootloader act as a stage0 loader.
  • [22:48:21] <Kristina> Well, a reduced configuration of it.
  • [22:48:32] <_av500_> that is one way
  • [22:48:41] <_av500_> like uboot and what they call SPL
  • [22:49:36] <Kristina> _av500_: So, to do it that way, do I need to put a TOC at 0x0, followed by a void CHSETTINGS, followed by a GP header that instructs the thing to load my image into SRAM?
  • [22:49:48] <_av500_> something like that
  • [22:50:04] <_av500_> I dont know all the details
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  • [22:50:07] <_av500_> just that its possible
  • [22:50:44] <Kristina> Grrr.
  • [22:50:52] * _av500_ hides
  • [22:50:56] <Kristina> I don't think I can have HFS+ support in stage0.
  • [22:51:06] <_av500_> maybe not
  • [22:51:26] <Kristina> It needs quite a bit of memory.
  • [22:51:34] <_av500_> well, then have it in stage 1
  • [22:52:07] <_av500_> why dont you use uboot in a FAT partition?
  • [22:52:12] <_av500_> and load your kernel from there?
  • [22:52:24] <Kristina> Because uboot can't load my kernel.
  • [22:52:29] <_av500_> it can be made to
  • [22:52:39] <Kristina> I don't like uboot, my bootloader is nicer.
  • [22:52:48] <_av500_> mine is even nicer
  • [22:53:00] <Kristina> It is? :O
  • [22:53:16] <_av500_> beauty, eye, beholder
  • [22:53:40] <Kristina> Mine has threading. And networking. And HFS+ :P
  • [22:53:56] <Kristina> Oh, and a video console.
  • [22:53:57] <mranostay> threading in a bootloader? why is that important?
  • [22:54:04] <Kristina> mranostay: It's cool.
  • [22:54:12] <Kristina> Also, stuff like LCD init.
  • [22:54:12] * mranostay facepalms
  • [22:54:30] <mru> mranostay: the boot console on dec alpha systems has multitasking
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  • [22:54:46] <Kristina> If we need to wait for LCD controller to come on, we might as well do something else instead of spinning.
  • [22:54:47] <_av500_> anyway, it's not finished until it can do email....
  • [22:55:11] <mranostay> mru: not that old :P
  • [22:55:13] <Kristina> It can also emulate a UEFI firmware.
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  • [22:55:32] <mranostay> _av500_: heh email patchset for u-boot would be fun to do :P
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  • [22:55:44] <mranostay> if only to have Tartarus stab me repeatly
  • [22:56:05] <Kristina> Oh, also, I'm planning to add support for downloading images using the HTTP protocol.
  • [22:56:20] <mranostay> no gopher?
  • [22:56:28] <Kristina> Haha.
  • [22:56:44] <Kristina> Laugh all you want.
  • [22:56:48] <_av500_> mranostay: https://gitorious.org/tinymail
  • [22:56:49] <Tartarus> I feel I'm the one being trolled here.
  • [22:56:57] <_av500_> mranostay: its needs glib though :)
  • [22:57:07] <_av500_> so send a glib patch first
  • [22:57:30] <Kristina> I don't see the harm in having a functional bootloader.
  • [22:57:30] <_av500_> g_strdup might be handy in uboot anyway
  • [22:57:36] <_av500_> Kristina: sure
  • [22:57:53] <_av500_> I was just thinking time to market
  • [22:58:19] <_av500_> you can have uboot load your bootloader :)
  • [22:58:32] <_av500_> with usb+eth stuff even from the net
  • [22:58:36] <mdp> can barebox help here?
  • [22:58:36] <Kristina> I really don't like uboot :/
  • [22:58:43] <_av500_> okok
  • [22:58:55] <_av500_> nobody really like it
  • [22:58:57] <_av500_> +s
  • [22:59:10] <mdp> coreboot will work
  • [22:59:14] <Kristina> HFS support is great.
  • [22:59:15] <mranostay> how about Red Boot?
  • [22:59:16] <mdp> or omapboot
  • [22:59:20] <_av500_> fastboot
  • [22:59:24] <mdp> +1 on redboot
  • [22:59:28] <Kristina> I can load mach_kernel straight from the HFS+ volume.
  • [22:59:32] <Tartarus> _av500_: y u make me cry?
  • [22:59:36] <mdp> you could you plain x-loader
  • [22:59:44] <mdp> s/you/use/
  • [22:59:50] * mranostay gives Tartarus a hug..
  • [22:59:52] <_av500_> mdp: is it "nice"?
  • [22:59:58] <mranostay> "he didn't mean it"
  • [23:00:05] <Tartarus> *sniff*
  • [23:00:14] <Kristina> Actually yeah, I could just use X-Loader.
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  • [23:00:26] <Kristina> But I need to build it using the none-eabi toolchain.
  • [23:00:26] <_av500_> solved, next
  • [23:00:27] <mdp> there's a lot of nice steps on the TI wiki
  • [23:00:33] * mdp updates the big board
  • [23:00:38] <Kristina> I want to use the Darwin toolchain.
  • [23:00:44] <Kristina> Because I love the Darwin toolchain.
  • [23:00:48] <Kristina> I use it for everything.
  • [23:00:52] <mdp> I love it too
  • [23:00:55] <mdp> but it doesn't love me
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  • [23:01:09] <mdp> this resulted in a restraining order
  • [23:01:11] <_av500_> mdp: you share that feeling with uboot?
  • [23:01:34] <mdp> uboot is my crazy uncle
  • [23:01:35] <_av500_> mranostay: hug him
  • [23:01:38] <Kristina> The darwin toolchain forces you to write obscure utilities to compensate for the lack of linker script support.
  • [23:01:46] <mranostay> i'm hugged out for the day
  • [23:01:50] <_av500_> definitely a plus
  • [23:01:52] <Kristina> The Apple Way (c)
  • [23:02:08] <_av500_> can it make binaries with rounded corners?
  • [23:02:09] <mdp> better than the Ubuntu way
  • [23:02:20] <mdp> I wish we could use Linux
  • [23:02:32] <_av500_> mdp: as soon as it is RTM
  • [23:02:33] <mdp> or even Android, I hear it has a linker
  • [23:02:48] <mdp> _av500_: tomorrow
  • [23:02:56] <_av500_> mdp: i'm dying to test it
  • [23:03:33] <mranostay> what is some of those Linuxs' we gots?
  • [23:03:33] <_av500_> I already addded a [linux] section to my win.ini
  • [23:03:41] <Kristina> _av500_: doesn't this look fun? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2114773
  • [23:04:14] <thurbad> I don't like linux... ubuntu is so much better
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  • [23:04:47] <_av500_> Kristina: gonorrhea sounds fun, yes
  • [23:04:59] <_av500_> thurbad: I heard it also has more clouds
  • [23:05:14] <mranostay> _av500_: +1
  • [23:05:16] <Kristina> That's my tool for working with OMAP3 images.
  • [23:05:16] <mdp> I like clouds
  • [23:05:19] <thurbad> oh boy, my boss loves clouds
  • [23:05:22] <mdp> I like the sky
  • [23:05:30] <Kristina> I'm beginning to dislike omap3 as a platform.
  • [23:05:33] <mru> the sky is the limit
  • [23:05:45] <_av500_> sky.net
  • [23:05:48] <Kristina> PBA8 is a lot more hack friendly.
  • [23:05:56] <_av500_> pbawhat?
  • [23:06:14] <_av500_> ah
  • [23:06:15] <prpplague> Kristina: technically you aren't working with OMAP3, but is splitting hairs
  • [23:06:15] <_av500_> versatile
  • [23:06:16] <Kristina> RealView baseboard for A8.
  • [23:06:23] <_av500_> then use that
  • [23:06:29] <Kristina> _av500_: No GPU :(
  • [23:06:43] <mdp> I like OMAP3, it's like Latin
  • [23:06:45] <mranostay> prpplague: i'm not going to make a bald joke here :)
  • [23:06:55] <_av500_> +1
  • [23:06:56] <prpplague> hehe
  • [23:07:05] <Kristina> _av500_: I did xnu-arm bringup on PBA8 though, it was fantastic.
  • [23:07:15] <prpplague> mranostay: hey i have hair, i just keep it short, hehe
  • [23:08:19] <Kristina> PBA8 is good for bringing up bootloaders and kernels but that's pretty much it. Oh, and prototyping hardware.
  • [23:09:10] <Kristina> Getting stuff run on a retail-class device is a slightly different (and more painful) experience.
  • [23:11:03] <_av500_> I guess we agree there
  • [23:11:33] <_av500_> still, ompa3 is not too bad in that regard
  • [23:12:41] <Kristina> I haven't even gotten to booting anything on my beagleboard.
  • [23:13:21] <Kristina> Need to find a BDI config file for it.
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  • [23:14:13] <mranostay> *ahem* mdp
  • [23:14:21] <mranostay> Kristina: 2000 or 3000?
  • [23:14:28] <Kristina> 3000 :P
  • [23:14:49] <Kristina> bdiGdb is lovely.
  • [23:15:24] <mdp> a lovely and handsome technology indeed
  • [23:16:17] <mrpackethead> complier differences
  • [23:16:21] <mrpackethead> and a lack of understanding..
  • [23:16:23] <mrpackethead> grrr.
  • [23:17:09] <mdp> _av500_, oompa loompa3?
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  • [23:18:02] <Kristina> You cannot imagine the nightmares I have from using the Darwin toolchain for low level development.
  • [23:18:23] <mru> so don't
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  • [23:19:10] <Kristina> It's like an abusive relationship.
  • [23:19:39] <Kristina> The Darwin toolchain hurts me. But I love it, and I'm not going to leave it.
  • [23:21:04] <mdp> someday you'll crack and burn its bed
  • [23:21:15] <_av500_> or the other way round
  • [23:21:27] <mdp> now Darwin evolve you!
  • [23:21:32] <mru> it will stab you while you sleep
  • [23:21:46] * Kristina hugs apple-arm-darwin.
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  • [23:22:37] <Kristina> So instead, I wrote a tool that stictches an MBR and a stage0 to an HFS+ volume.
  • [23:22:51] <Kristina> Forming something resembling a bootable MMC image.
  • [23:23:15] <_av500_> you can always make a small FAT partition and a large HFS+
  • [23:23:32] <_av500_> I dont see why you need some extra magic here
  • [23:23:58] <Kristina> _av500_: Not on OSX ... HDIX is too retarded to mount a MBR based image. So I can't really edit it.
  • [23:24:25] <_av500_> ah, more abusive stuff
  • [23:24:55] <Kristina> So I have to mount the HFS+ volume first, edit it and then apply black magic to it.
  • [23:25:11] <Kristina> Or I could just format the SD card under Linux.
  • [23:25:23] <Kristina> But that's cheating.
  • [23:25:29] <_av500_> oh well
  • [23:25:33] <thurbad> if it works it works
  • [23:25:44] <_av500_> it's not "nice" I guess
  • [23:25:52] <Kristina> No. It has to work The Apple Way (c).
  • [23:25:59] <thurbad> lol
  • [23:26:23] * _av500_ guesses the bootloader has a fake leather onscreen UI
  • [23:26:49] <Kristina> It's called skeumorphism!!! (did I spell that right?)
  • [23:27:04] <_av500_> but they fired skeumorphism
  • [23:27:07] <Kristina> Ironically, I actually use irssi as my IRC client.
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  • [23:27:25] <_av500_> is there a brushed metal plugin?
  • [23:27:39] <Kristina> Not really :P
  • [23:28:03] <Kristina> I just use it inside a screen session over SSH. So it's a plain ol' terminal.
  • [23:28:14] <Kristina> Well, not plain, it has colours!
  • [23:29:09] <Kristina> It's funny because stuff like iPod firmwares are actually compiled on Windows under Cygwin ...
  • [23:29:25] <Kristina> Same with diagnostic images for iPhone and w/e.
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