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  • [02:06:55] <alan_o> font
  • [02:06:57] <alan_o> arrgh
  • [02:06:59] <alan_o> front
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  • [02:07:05] <alan_o> (joke is lost)
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  • [04:05:09] * mranostay pumps some dubstep into the room
  • [04:08:10] <KeatonT> nice.
  • [04:08:59] * emeb_mac plugs ears
  • [04:09:39] <mranostay> you can't escape it
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  • [04:11:56] <ka6sox> la la la la la la la
  • [04:12:26] <mranostay> see even ka6sox is getting into the beat :)
  • [04:12:44] <alan_o> hehe
  • [04:12:56] <ka6sox> that was me with my ears plugged and doing la la la la la to avoid listening to it
  • [04:13:05] <mranostay> at 120 bpm?
  • [04:13:10] <alan_o> and that was mranostay trolling you :)
  • [04:13:24] <ka6sox> mranostay, +1, ka6sox, -1
  • [04:14:05] <ka6sox> please tell me the ELC CFP is closed...
  • [04:14:32] <alan_o> Jan 4 iirc
  • [04:15:42] <mranostay> yeah 4th
  • [04:16:05] <ka6sox> okay then I'll skip it this year.
  • [04:17:18] <mranostay> lame
  • [04:17:32] <mranostay> you can BS something 3 days for sure :)
  • [04:18:21] <ka6sox> I have 2 others later in the week too...thats too much.
  • [04:20:42] <mranostay> too cool for us.. i see how it is :)
  • [04:21:47] <ka6sox> no, I didn't think that either would be accepted....
  • [04:21:55] <mranostay> ka6sox: what is the topic?
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  • [04:22:04] <ka6sox> for?
  • [04:22:23] <mranostay> < ka6sox> no, I didn't think that either would be accepted....
  • [04:22:24] <ka6sox> grouper build is bork3n
  • [04:22:38] <ka6sox> ignore that..
  • [04:22:42] <ka6sox> wrong channel
  • [04:22:56] <ka6sox> one is a community talk
  • [04:23:02] <ka6sox> the other is on LibHybris.
  • [04:24:34] <mranostay> heh nice another overly political spam email from family about how Oklahoma is 'doing it right'... would it be troll to reply back 'yeah well who the hell wants to live there?' :)
  • [04:25:21] <ka6sox> the only good thing about Tornados is that they are the #2 fastest event to kill you.
  • [04:25:40] <mranostay> oh lovely
  • [04:25:44] <ka6sox> (and there is almost NO warning)
  • [04:26:10] <emeb_mac> what exactly is OK doing (right or otherwise?)
  • [04:26:11] <ka6sox> you live on top of the #1 event
  • [04:26:36] <mranostay> emeb_mac: some anti-obama crap an aunt thinks everyone cares about :)
  • [04:26:45] <emeb_mac> oh yay.
  • [04:26:57] <ka6sox> #1 reason to not use FB
  • [04:26:59] <emeb_mac> tell her that stuff is so 2012
  • [04:27:07] <mranostay> ka6sox: email not FB
  • [04:27:13] <ka6sox> oh
  • [04:27:27] <ka6sox> there *is* a button for that you know....DELETE
  • [04:27:41] <emeb_mac> *plonk*
  • [04:27:50] <mranostay> true still annoying
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  • [04:28:35] <ka6sox> why does Tuna build but not Grouper?
  • [04:28:49] <ka6sox> stupid focus....should follow EYES... :P
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  • [04:29:03] <mranostay> ka6sox: because inter-species breeding is hard?
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  • [04:29:21] <emeb_mac> need to put that little camera on the top of your monitor to use as an eye trackere.
  • [04:29:47] <ka6sox> ya...they are doing that now for stuff...works great
  • [04:30:23] <emeb_mac> my nephew w/ CP has one - he can run his speech synth with it & talk now. he's happy.
  • [04:30:52] <ka6sox> ya, thats amazing tech
  • [04:31:09] <ka6sox> grouper is 99% like Tuna... :P
  • [04:31:11] <mranostay> ka6sox: magic?
  • [04:31:29] <ka6sox> mranostay, indistinguishable from Magic
  • [04:31:45] <emeb_mac> any sufficiently advanced tech...
  • [04:32:36] * mranostay gets the pitchforks
  • [04:32:46] <emeb_mac> don't forget the torches
  • [04:33:06] <emeb_mac> shovels and rakes and other implements of destruction...
  • [04:33:16] <ka6sox> lessee if I can fix this...
  • [04:33:28] <ka6sox> problem in meta-android :P
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  • [04:36:06] <mranostay> surprise android being the problem :)
  • [04:37:06] <ka6sox> git pull
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  • [04:44:43] <emeb_mac> heh - saw questions about "porting android" to rpi.
  • [04:45:20] <ka6sox> my answer: Why?
  • [04:45:36] <mph_> mranostray, thanks for the pointers on the PRU last night..
  • [04:46:02] <mph_> i worked through out what was accessable via the headers on teh beagle.
  • [04:46:10] <mph_> and i'm short by 4 pins. :-(
  • [04:46:50] <mph_> it would have been a reletively simple cape as well.. :-(
  • [04:46:53] <ka6sox> get the ICE...its like a Bone but with what you need
  • [04:47:03] <mph_> i have one arriving
  • [04:47:24] <mph_> but it seems that getting linux to run on it, is eluding most people
  • [04:47:37] <mph_> i am hoping that it can be done.
  • [04:47:38] <ka6sox> why?
  • [04:48:23] <mph_> hold a sec
  • [04:48:28] <mph_> i'll get the url
  • [04:49:18] <mph_> http://e2e.ti.com/support/dsp/sitara_arm174_microprocessors/f/791/t/188559.aspx
  • [04:51:22] <mph_> lots of stuff about boot order
  • [04:51:53] <mph_> the down side of the ICE, its that while its got ethercat ports, it has no ethernet port
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  • [05:00:35] <ka6sox> so use the Arago stuff.
  • [05:00:40] <ka6sox> and start from there
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  • [05:01:35] <ka6sox> put the uboot in spi flash, boot from SD
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  • [05:05:28] <mph_> i still have some learning to go!
  • [05:05:55] <mph_> i got my beagle going via receipe.
  • [05:05:59] <mph_> paint by numbers.
  • [05:06:50] <mph_> when i get one on the bench
  • [05:06:57] <mph_> we will see how it all goes
  • [05:07:02] <ka6sox> well you are doing better than me with this stupid Grouper
  • [05:07:20] <mph_> whats a Grouper ( i knwo its not a fish )
  • [05:07:30] <ka6sox> Nexus7
  • [05:07:56] <mph_> oh, a wannabe ipad
  • [05:08:16] <mph_> bet its maps work though.
  • [05:08:20] <ka6sox> I don't wanna it to be an i(thing)
  • [05:08:44] <ka6sox> I'm working on linux for it.
  • [05:08:46] <mph_> i love my ipad
  • [05:08:54] <mph_> if only for reading magazins
  • [05:09:02] <mph_> and changing channels on TV
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  • [05:20:55] <ka6sox> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dlkp9tfw2o0wo47/IMG_20121231_064525.jpg
  • [05:30:04] <mph_> that is a macbook int the background
  • [05:30:31] <ka6sox> yes
  • [05:30:50] <ka6sox> foreground is Nexus 7 running Linux
  • [05:31:23] <mph_> oh, i missed that
  • [05:31:24] <mph_> :-)
  • [05:34:53] <mph_> thats pretty cool
  • [05:34:59] <mph_> so, why did you want to run lnux
  • [05:45:27] <ka6sox> because I like the UI better?
  • [05:46:39] <mph_> i'm always interested in the reasons why people do things
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  • [05:47:51] <ka6sox> there was an OS that Palm did which I liked...they stopped making it...then open sourced the UI, so now we are porting it onto various devices that we want to use.
  • [05:50:30] <ka6sox> they stopped making devices too...so we had to find new ones to run it on.
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  • [05:52:50] <nagu> hello, any one know how to get address of the tps65950 chip for i2c communication
  • [05:53:13] <nagu> hello, any one know how to get address of the tps65950 chip for i2c communication
  • [05:53:17] <nagu> hello, any one know how to get address of the tps65950 chip for i2c communication
  • [05:53:20] <nagu> hello, any one know how to get address of the tps65950 chip for i2c communication
  • [05:53:23] <nagu> hello, any one know how to get address of the tps65950 chip for i2c communication
  • [05:55:36] <emeb_mac> is there an echo in here?
  • [05:55:48] <mranostay> holy crap
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  • [05:56:00] <mranostay> read the damn datasheet
  • [05:56:40] <emeb_mac> mranostay: say that 4 more times for effect
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  • [06:04:12] <ka6sox> There is a DataSheet for that?
  • [06:04:27] <ka6sox> really?
  • [06:05:20] <emeb_mac> the tps datasheet is a thing of awesomeness - terrible to behold.
  • [06:05:52] <emeb_mac> how many different I2C partitions are inside that chip? Some things man was not meant to know.
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  • [06:34:03] <mph_> ping...
  • [06:34:23] <mph_> even on the slowest of interent links, i detect no echo.
  • [06:39:58] <mranostay> your call didn't go through as dialed please hang up and try again
  • [06:40:26] <ka6sox> pong...
  • [06:40:38] <ka6sox> dang dude...are you on another planet?
  • [06:40:49] <Russ> close
  • [06:40:51] <Russ> new zealand
  • [06:41:08] <Russ> have you even seen lord of the rings, totally not earth
  • [06:42:44] <ka6sox> I spent 2 Glorious Weeks on South Island....20yrs ago.
  • [06:45:28] <mranostay> was it epic?
  • [06:47:12] <emeb_mac> did you see any hobbitses?
  • [06:49:14] <mranostay> if not i would demand my money back
  • [06:50:15] * mranostay trolls through MV apartment listings
  • [06:50:30] <emeb_mac> moving again?
  • [06:51:00] <mranostay> thinking about it
  • [06:52:32] <mranostay> all depends if my rent stays the same or goes up
  • [06:54:56] <mranostay> not that MV is any cheaper but it does have bars :)
  • [06:55:20] <emeb_mac> if you're gonna pay, might as well have night life.
  • [06:55:39] <mranostay> esp being single
  • [06:55:57] <Russ> martha's vineyard?
  • [06:56:05] <mranostay> mountain view
  • [06:56:13] <Russ> well that makes more sense
  • [06:56:36] <Russ> be sure to move after ELC, otherwise $EMPLOYER won't cover hotel
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  • [06:58:36] <mph_> Russ, another kiwi?
  • [06:58:40] <mranostay> yeah well i'll be happy not to have take personal days for ELC
  • [06:58:51] <mranostay> i work for bastards :)
  • [06:59:04] <emeb_mac> shush!
  • [06:59:12] <emeb_mac> spies everywhere.
  • [06:59:39] <mranostay> sorry with all due respect :)
  • [06:59:51] <mph_> who/what is ELC
  • [07:00:04] <mranostay> http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1997-10-28/
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  • [07:00:24] <mph_> embedded linux conference
  • [07:01:26] <mph_> @Russ, where are you
  • [07:03:25] <mranostay> the @ really isn't needed :)
  • [07:03:54] <mph_> nor is the nose in the smiley, but i like it :-)
  • [07:04:04] <mranostay> yeah i should do the hostel across the street hopefully i don't get shot
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  • [07:06:43] <mranostay> i love apartments ads that say 'only $3000' :)
  • [07:06:54] <emeb_mac> a bargain!
  • [07:07:04] <mph_> are you buying it
  • [07:07:05] <mph_> ?
  • [07:07:21] <mranostay> mph_: that is rent here...
  • [07:07:29] <mph_> for a week/month?
  • [07:07:31] <mranostay> month
  • [07:07:37] <mph_> rents here are similar
  • [07:07:49] <mph_> the house next to me, is $900/week
  • [07:08:05] <mranostay> ok i live in a dump compared then :)
  • [07:08:12] <mranostay> $1800 am month is what i pay
  • [07:08:15] <mranostay> *a
  • [07:08:34] <mph_> my observatios are that real-estate and rentals in the US are cheap
  • [07:08:42] <mph_> but thats comparing it to here.
  • [07:08:54] <mranostay> yeah well in everywhere else nobody wants to live :)
  • [07:09:14] <mranostay> were i grew up i was paying $600 for a apartment almost twice this size
  • [07:09:32] <mranostay> brand new even
  • [07:10:02] <Russ> mph_, LA
  • [07:10:13] <ka6sox> I live in The Rivera of the US...
  • [07:10:18] <ka6sox> its EXPENSIVE!!!!
  • [07:10:30] <mranostay> mph_: bay area here
  • [07:10:59] <mph_> there must be some cheap places to live in teh USA
  • [07:11:10] <emeb_mac> AZ isn't bad
  • [07:11:14] <mranostay> mph_: yes nobody wants to live there :)
  • [07:11:21] <Russ> mranostay, I get a 4 bedroom house for a little more than that :)
  • [07:11:30] <mranostay> Russ: yes yes i know
  • [07:12:00] <mranostay> i get this from my midwest friends.. you can get blah blah.. but i would have no job back there :)
  • [07:12:10] <ka6sox> my place is $1200/month mortgage
  • [07:12:11] <mph_> Harlingen, Tx
  • [07:12:27] <mph_> Memphis, TN is cheap
  • [07:12:39] <mranostay> mph_: yeah Memphis is a murder city :)
  • [07:12:51] <mph_> McAllem, Texas.. its cheap too.
  • [07:12:59] <mranostay> but it is texas :)
  • [07:13:08] <mph_> Fayetteville, AK
  • [07:13:26] <mph_> Ardmore, OK
  • [07:13:28] <mph_> ?
  • [07:13:33] <emeb_mac> anyone for Bismarck ND?
  • [07:13:43] <mph_> rent for two bedroom aparment is just $500
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  • [07:14:02] <mph_> Temple, Texas.. thats cheap as wel.
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  • [07:14:45] <mph_> Ashland, Ohio.. - The world headquarters of nice people.. $523 a month
  • [07:15:34] <mph_> Pryor creek, OK.. A dozen eggs is just $1.40
  • [07:15:46] <mph_> theres some options foryou.
  • [07:16:29] <Russ> aren't you in NZ?
  • [07:16:33] <mranostay> mph_: i'm from that part of Ohio i say that is overblown :)
  • [07:16:39] <emeb_mac> where is all this coming from?
  • [07:16:53] <mph_> Yes, russ i'm in New Zealand
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  • [07:39:52] <mranostay> mph_: i alway base my living decisions on what the cost of eggs are personally
  • [07:40:12] <mph_> bacon.
  • [07:40:18] <mph_> is a better indicator
  • [07:43:21] <mranostay> what does beer run.. at not the crappy stuff :)
  • [07:43:24] <mranostay> *and
  • [07:44:49] <mph_> $30 / dozen
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  • [07:48:07] <mranostay> although one my NY resolutions is cut back on that... those carbs put on the pounds..
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  • [09:52:49] <pioj_> hi
  • [09:53:51] <pioj_> I bought my bbXM sometime ago but I feel quite disappointed. Is there any more progress with this?
  • [09:54:15] <pioj_> Seems all new stuff is moving around bbone
  • [10:01:44] <dm8tbr> progress is what you make out of it.
  • [10:02:22] <dm8tbr> also 95% of things that work on the bone should work on an XM
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  • [10:21:32] <pioj_> ok, but I can't find more people using XM, and uploading videos of their progress, and all that..
  • [10:22:31] <jonand> gee, activity is all about the number of videos on youtube these days...
  • [10:22:47] <pioj_> from a user point of view, understand me, seems pretty dead compared to other blogs
  • [10:23:02] <pioj_> not only videos, but all kind of media
  • [10:23:04] <jonand> sure, the xm is a bit old.
  • [10:23:27] <jonand> bone has some activity because it is new and cheap
  • [10:23:50] <pioj_> last great thing I saw was a blog developer getting a 300msec booting
  • [10:24:00] <jonand> but the dm3730 is what, 2 1/2 years old now
  • [10:24:27] <pioj_> yeah, ok, but isn't bbone another type of product?
  • [10:25:17] <pioj_> I mean it's more related to arduino than a "desktop computer" board, right?
  • [10:25:33] <pioj_> for sure, you can also do desktop experience, I know
  • [10:26:17] <pioj_> but I don't think this was the pretended target for bbone
  • [10:28:30] <aholler_> target is to make you familiar with the chip so you build a product with it and buy a million of those chips
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  • [10:31:13] <pioj_> then can we say there was not much success with TI chipset?
  • [10:31:52] <pioj_> Due the low price of alternatives..
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  • [10:41:32] <pioj_> so.. What are you guys doin' with your boards?
  • [10:42:17] <KidBeta> pioj_ i blan to eventually implement a modification for USB that throws the data over a wireless G connection to another board attached to the device and vice versa
  • [10:42:19] <KidBeta> ise hate cables
  • [10:43:45] <KidBeta> i might be crazy though
  • [10:45:14] <pioj_> isn't that "wireless usb interfacing" ??
  • [10:45:40] <pioj_> or just wifi sharing between two boards?
  • [10:47:08] <KidBeta> pioj_ pretty much getting the USB data and pushing it wirelessy to another board which has a USB device attached then banging the data onto the bus
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  • [10:48:24] <pioj_> but the tansfer speed will be limited to that of the wifi?
  • [10:48:58] <KidBeta> pioj_ thats okay with me
  • [10:49:05] <KidBeta> but in essence yes
  • [10:49:24] <pioj_> ok ok, no problem with that..
  • [10:49:41] <pioj_> jus tryin to understand the concept
  • [10:49:53] <pioj_> i mean, subject..
  • [10:50:01] <KidBeta> ive also got another tahts more complicated that involves using the beaglebone and a serial port on my PC to verify and decrypt a bootloader and operating system before they start.
  • [10:50:08] <KidBeta> but thats a little more involved.
  • [10:50:21] <pioj_> thats great
  • [10:50:41] <KidBeta> need to make serial port header to serial cable first :P
  • [10:50:58] <pioj_> some kind of a hardware keylock
  • [10:51:56] <KidBeta> pioj_ more of a complicated which means in essence you need the password and the specific beagle bone to unlock, if you dont have either the bootloader/OS dont boot at all and everything is encrypted/authenticated.
  • [10:52:02] <KidBeta> complicated box*
  • [10:52:25] <pioj_> sometime ago I was thinking about a project to embedd a Ethernet-controlled computer bootstrapping
  • [10:52:50] <KidBeta> pioj_ ethernet would be more difficult at bootstrap time
  • [10:53:05] <KidBeta> i wanted to do firewire but the amount of SBC's or uC's that have firewire is nill in my price range
  • [10:53:36] <pioj_> yeah it's quite expensive still now
  • [10:53:57] <pioj_> blame apple for that
  • [10:54:06] <KidBeta> serial looks much easier :P but it means my bootloader will have to cooperate, if i had firewire it would all be transparent
  • [10:56:56] <pioj_> why? does it works different?
  • [10:57:52] <KidBeta> pioj_ firewire can read/write arbitrary addresses without really talking to the CPU at all
  • [10:57:59] <KidBeta> serial i need to push data out the port
  • [10:58:07] <KidBeta> firewire the device could just read it all
  • [11:01:54] <pioj_> I didn't know that. Would be easier to send data to any kind of device
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  • [11:16:58] <Matty> Hello, does anyone on here have the ability to change the wiki at http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoard ???
  • [11:18:11] <Matty> The reason I ask is that "Descsriptions" is spelt wrong - should be "Description" :)
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  • [11:25:07] <Matty> Hello, the Rev C BOM says to use a XDM3730BCBP yet http://www.ti.com/product/dm3730#technicaldocuments does not list one.
  • [11:25:23] <Matty> Does anyone know which processor the Rev C should be using? cheers.
  • [11:25:48] <Matty> this is for the XM
  • [11:28:07] <Matty> Hmm, about 100 users in this channel and no one is awake :(
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  • [11:46:50] <jonand> oh the patience of the "Hello, ":ers of today...
  • [12:06:24] <ynezz> hello kitty!
  • [12:09:00] <KidBeta> hello world
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  • [12:17:56] <KidBeta> can i provide a regulated 5v through the pins rather then the DC barrell jack
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  • [12:48:48] <tasslehoff> I've recompiled my kernel with support for a boot logo, but it does not work. Is there a place in my rootfs where I can verify the existence of my logo? I see /usr/src/<something>/logo mentioned on The Web, but I don't have that one.
  • [12:48:54] <tasslehoff> oh, and happy new year
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  • [14:05:05] <jonand> KidBeta: through what pins? if in doubt, check the schematic...
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  • [14:07:24] <KidBeta> jonand i was thinking if it had any pins that could take 5v in i was thinking vdd_5v but im tired so i might be wrong.
  • [14:08:44] <jonand> KidBeta: which board? xm? bone?
  • [14:09:09] <KidBeta> bone
  • [14:09:33] <jonand> KidBeta: http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/latest/Docs/Hardware/BONE_SCH.pdf page 2
  • [14:10:13] <jonand> P9 pin 5 and 6
  • [14:10:23] <jonand> and GND ofcourse
  • [14:10:33] <jonand> DGND
  • [14:10:52] <jonand> P9 is on page 11
  • [14:11:04] <jonand> structured answers, I'll try that some day...
  • [14:11:09] <KidBeta> lol
  • [14:11:10] <KidBeta> thanks
  • [14:11:16] <KidBeta> just the kind of thing i was looking for :)
  • [14:13:58] <KidBeta> cant see a pin 6
  • [14:14:03] <KidBeta> 5*
  • [14:16:39] <KidBeta> im going to make my life easier and rig up a female USB header that exposes the +5 and GND to use like this cause my USB wall wart supplies 1.2 A. But i cant fully power the bone over USB.
  • [14:17:41] <jonand> Uhm, then I guess the easiest thing to do is a USB -> DC jack cable?
  • [14:18:12] <KidBeta> jonand that would probably be much easier too
  • [14:19:04] <KidBeta> then fudging around with the pins :P
  • [14:19:10] <jonand> http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-2-0-A-to-5-5mm-Barrel-Connector-Jack-DC-Power-Cable-/170643272152?pt=US_USB_Cables_Hubs_Adapters&hash=item27bb21b1d8 <-- $1.99
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  • [14:23:15] <KidBeta> i presume the jack is 5.5
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  • [15:58:45] <_av500_> gah
  • [15:58:54] <emeb_mac> he lives!
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  • [16:03:38] <gquere_> how would you securize the usb port of a physically publicly available device ? I've seen inaki's kernel patches to filter pid/vid but it's certainly not enough...
  • [16:04:38] <gquere_> the objective is to be able to plug a mass storage on which data can be downloaded, without compromising the integrity of the device
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  • [16:06:14] <ka6sox> uh...
  • [16:14:15] <bradfa> gquere_, desolder the usb header?
  • [16:14:46] <gquere_> the objective is to be able to plug a mass storage on which data can be downloaded
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  • [16:24:19] <ka6sox> which DEFEATS security....ask any Windows Computer about that...
  • [16:26:59] <gquere_> it defeats security if nothing is done on the side. But one could imagine a chroot or private namespace in which the key is mounted, a noexec in fstab, a 'write-only' tweak ... I'm interested to know how the guys here would do it
  • [16:28:31] <emeb_mac> can't be done - if someone has unlimited physical access then anything is possible.
  • [16:29:32] <gquere_> what is unlimited physical access ? only the USB port is accessible, and only after boot is complete, these are the current restrictions
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  • [16:30:52] <emeb_mac> I assume that by "publicly available" you mean that the device is unmonitored, freely accessible and physically vulnerable.
  • [16:32:08] <gquere_> yep I worded that poorly sorry. Only the usb port is attackable, and only when boot is complete.
  • [16:32:08] <emeb_mac> ie - the box could be removed from the original location, opened, probed, etc.
  • [16:32:41] <emeb_mac> then why not just put a lock on it so that it's not accessible w/o a key?
  • [16:33:25] <emeb_mac> or - rewire the USB port with a custom connector that only you have the right pinout for?
  • [16:33:28] <gquere_> the objective is to have a user being able to copy content from the device to any mass storage
  • [16:34:06] <emeb_mac> so you want the usb port accessible, but only for limited uses.
  • [16:34:34] <gquere_> indeed
  • [16:34:49] <emeb_mac> sorta like the photo kiosks at the drugstore.
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  • [16:40:09] <gquere_> emeb_mac, not sure the comparison holds; those allow you to upload pictures for printing whereas I'm interested in pulling stuff from the kiosk
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  • [16:42:33] <ka6sox> oh,
  • [16:43:01] <ka6sox> remove all other support other than usb mass storage
  • [16:43:23] <ka6sox> since its write only....(to the USB stick) that isn't a security risk
  • [16:43:28] <mranostay> *sigh*
  • [16:43:47] <mranostay> damn Mon^H^H^HWednesdays
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  • [16:44:17] <mdp> mranostay, we celebrate friday RSN...hang in there.
  • [16:44:26] <gquere_> ka6sox, wouldn't mass storage be the only security risk ? what's wrong with the rest of the classes ?
  • [16:45:58] * ka6sox looks up at the beginning of the discussion.... "how would you securize the usb port of a physically publicly available device ? I've seen inaki's kernel patches to filter pid/vid but it's certainly not enough..."
  • [16:46:44] <ka6sox> just disble anything you don't want them to do.
  • [16:47:01] <ka6sox> like plug in a mouse, or ...
  • [16:47:10] <gquere_> yeah just not loading the module would do that
  • [16:47:43] <gquere_> but, in my newbie opinion, the only security risk is a mass storage ?
  • [16:47:59] <Crofton|work> there is a CCC talk you should watch
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  • [16:48:49] <Crofton|work> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8Im0_KUEf8
  • [16:49:04] <mdp> mranostay, you can celebrate that it's -10C here and going down to -16 tonight...and you are there. :)
  • [16:49:26] <mranostay> yeah don't miss that
  • [16:49:48] <mranostay> i enjoy the winter jackets out here :)
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  • [16:50:08] <mdp> hehe, I know what you mean...will bring mine for ELC
  • [16:50:27] <mranostay> well SF is different
  • [16:50:34] <mranostay> the weather changes block to block
  • [16:50:36] <mdp> yes, deathly cold
  • [16:50:54] <mranostay> i was carrying a coat around in June ..
  • [16:51:16] <mdp> quite frankly, I carry a heavy jacket to SD in october..I've been horribly cold there too ;)
  • [16:51:30] <mdp> oddly, I don't like to be cold
  • [16:51:34] <gquere_> Crofton|work, taking a look ty
  • [16:52:04] <mranostay> SD? why would you go there?
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  • [16:53:33] <mdp> mranostay, used to live "nearby" and visited friends/places there.
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  • [17:15:23] <thurbad> cold + SD... possibly South Dakota? because San Diego doesn't typically get that cold unless you go to the high desert
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  • [17:30:57] <mdp> ka6sox: it is
  • [17:31:25] <ka6sox> it *is* San Diego????
  • [17:31:39] <ka6sox> because I see people in January in Board Shorts and Tank Tops...
  • [17:32:07] <mdp> I've been horribly cold at night due to the cool breezes in october
  • [17:33:08] <mdp> I see that here in 0C, some people are different I guess
  • [17:33:27] <ka6sox> where are you?
  • [17:34:01] <mdp> near cleveland
  • [17:34:08] <ka6sox> oh
  • [17:34:09] <thurbad> people this morning were bundled up in jackets... I'm wearing a short sleeved shirt and sweating
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  • [17:36:06] <ka6sox> today will be 20C and balmy....no wind so not a good kiteboarding day....
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  • [17:59:09] <wmat> although, it's not bad today, -6C and sunny
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  • [18:00:19] <mranostay> wmat: jealous, eh?
  • [18:03:27] <djlewis> we finally broke 0C :)
  • [18:06:59] <emeb> going down or coming up?
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  • [18:07:34] <djlewis> its supposed to reach 39F today. Melt off the 15 inches of snow and ice.
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  • [18:14:14] <mranostay> we're moving on up..
  • [18:18:55] <mranostay> emeb: geez how many FPGA submissions are there? :)
  • [18:19:39] <emeb> I think I saw 3? That was yesterday morning though.
  • [18:19:56] <emeb> everybody loves FPGAs.
  • [18:20:07] <mranostay> it is 4 now
  • [18:20:18] <mranostay> plus the CPLD cape
  • [18:20:23] <emeb> Interesting
  • [18:20:41] <emeb> Well, it's up to the community/judges now.
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  • [18:23:00] <emeb> just don't spend more in bribes than you could win.
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  • [18:25:36] <djlewis> unless its for the glamour
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  • [18:56:08] <mranostay> djlewis: glamour?
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  • [18:56:58] <djlewis> poor word choice maybe, win for the thrill of buying a win ;)
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  • [19:10:38] <Russ> I like the arnd quote, 'Aargh64'
  • [19:15:09] <mranostay> panto: pandaboard cluster!
  • [19:15:46] <panto> mranostay, can we get all the RPi people to natively compile everything?
  • [19:15:53] <panto> that will sure slow them down
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  • [19:16:24] <ds2> *yawn*
  • [19:16:25] <Russ> I'm sure somewhere, someone, is still compiling gentoo for their rpi
  • [19:16:39] <mranostay> someone that hates kittens
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  • [19:17:11] <panto> when you compile natively on RPi God kills a kitten? that bastard.
  • [19:17:30] <ds2> *yawn*
  • [19:17:35] <ds2> RPi's are very useful
  • [19:17:54] <ds2> where else can you get a better idiot tag for filtering purposes?
  • [19:18:31] <s5fs> ds2: ouch
  • [19:18:46] <mdp> someone is also compi^H^H^H^Hporting ubuntu for phones for rpi
  • [19:18:59] <mranostay> porting hehe
  • [19:19:57] * djlewis is not hearing much love for the pi here.
  • [19:20:12] <mranostay> djlewis: you would be correct
  • [19:20:19] <mdp> "Ubuntu delivers a magical phone . . ."
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  • [19:27:03] <prpplague> just a reminder, the Call for Participation for the Embedded Linux Conference 2013 ends friday! https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/embedded-linux-conference/cfp
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  • [19:28:42] <ds2> can we do a paper on why scheduling ELC back to back with a other geographically proximate events is a bad idea?
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  • [19:48:11] * mranostay facepalms
  • [19:48:22] <mranostay> why is a vmlinux under source control?..
  • [19:51:33] <mdp> morons?
  • [19:51:34] * NishanthMenon clones git://github.com/koenkooi/linux.git and does a git branch :(
  • [19:52:16] <NishanthMenon> psp is still on 3.2 kernel :(
  • [19:53:02] <mdp> yes, all devel there has been abandoned in favor of mainline
  • [19:53:35] <NishanthMenon> mdp, good.. but where is the 3.8 integrated branch?
  • [19:53:53] <mdp> there's no official integration tree
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  • [19:54:22] <NishanthMenon> mdp, :(
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  • [19:55:11] <mdp> the git://github.com/beagleboard/kernel tree is the closest thing IMHO..and the hvaibhav one if 2nd but a more traditional kernel git tree albeit with less functionality
  • [19:55:29] <mdp> NishanthMenon: it would have required a non-existent resource to maintain that tree
  • [19:55:59] <mdp> NishanthMenon: after the reorg, however, there's supposed to be some kind of official staging tree
  • [19:56:31] * NishanthMenon runs away to git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git master
  • [19:56:37] <mdp> NishanthMenon: it's a double-edged sword..I think it causes more harm than good but can't prove it :)
  • [19:57:13] <NishanthMenon> mdp, yep.. for the moment, I will cherry-pick what I need and build yet another fork :)
  • [19:57:31] <mdp> I can show that the omap and sitara vendor trees are epic shit though...and I'm at least going to win that argument ;)
  • [19:57:49] <mdp> NishanthMenon: yes! go forth and multiply! :)
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  • [19:57:57] * NishanthMenon work(ed) on omap forks ;)...
  • [19:58:10] <mdp> NishanthMenon: then you know how they get piled with crap
  • [19:58:24] <NishanthMenon> mdp, yep - also know why :)
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  • [19:58:29] <mdp> yep
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  • [19:59:24] <mdp> NishanthMenon: figure around 3.9/3.10 the patches for am335x should be pretty minimal for basic commodity functionality
  • [20:00:13] <NishanthMenon> mdp, hope so.. at least the deltas and remaining features dont seem daunting as deltas i have seen in omap previously
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  • [20:01:17] <mdp> NishanthMenon: yeah, that's because it's just an A8 core plus a bunch of commodity peripherals...and we've had a bunch of people working on these drivers for the last couple kernel cycles
  • [20:01:46] <mdp> still takes a lot of calendar time to get that much upstream
  • [20:02:08] <NishanthMenon> :).. yep...
  • [20:02:15] <mdp> and "those above" didn't decide to get serious about it until too late
  • [20:02:28] <mranostay> hehe
  • [20:02:29] <NishanthMenon> mdp, been there, seen that :)..
  • [20:02:35] <mdp> NishanthMenon: then they act like it's a 911 call...ho hum
  • [20:03:12] <NishanthMenon> mdp, :D just another day, uh?
  • [20:03:15] <mdp> NishanthMenon: I'm getting too old to go through this cycle again :-/
  • [20:03:46] * NishanthMenon still waits.. usually at the butt end of the cycle ;)
  • [20:04:07] <alan_o> happy new year mdp! I see that not complaining about your employer wasn't one of your resolutions :-D
  • [20:04:18] <mdp> NishanthMenon: first we had to go through the "justification phase"...that one I hate..glad that's over with
  • [20:04:30] <NishanthMenon> alan_o, as you recollect, we *do not* speak on topic here ;)
  • [20:04:31] <mdp> alan_o, you haven't even seen complaining
  • [20:04:50] <_av500_> lol
  • [20:04:53] <_av500_> oops
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  • [20:05:02] <NishanthMenon> _av500_, bear with us please ;)
  • [20:05:04] <_av500_> well, good evening too
  • [20:05:08] <mdp> alan_o, I have mostly praise...we are doing it! :)
  • [20:05:11] <_av500_> NishanthMenon: unrelated
  • [20:05:17] <NishanthMenon> _av500_, :)
  • [20:05:17] <_av500_> just wathced the ubuntu video
  • [20:05:22] <alan_o> NishanthMenon: Complaining about TI is always on topic :)
  • [20:05:23] <_av500_> its so full of lol
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  • [20:05:32] <mdp> _av500_, you could bearly contain yourself?!?
  • [20:05:35] <alan_o> _av500_: link?
  • [20:05:46] <mdp> that video shows what is clearly a magical device
  • [20:05:55] <mdp> I will trade two children for it!
  • [20:06:05] <panto> hi alan_o
  • [20:06:14] <alan_o> panto, happy new year buddy :)
  • [20:06:21] <panto> thank alan
  • [20:06:25] <_av500_> alan_o: link?
  • [20:06:25] <panto> happy NY to you too
  • [20:06:29] <mdp> alan_o, happy new year...let's get back to work, m'okay?
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  • [20:06:50] <_av500_> alan_o: try ubuntu.com :)
  • [20:06:57] <alan_o> mdp: aww man... I was just starting to procrastinate....
  • [20:07:07] <mranostay> oh snap
  • [20:07:22] <mdp> alan_o, procrastination is ok if it's on your task list
  • [20:07:27] * mdp checks the big board
  • [20:07:34] <_av500_> its #0
  • [20:07:44] <alan_o> mdp: does the big board start over for the new year?
  • [20:07:48] <mdp> excellent
  • [20:07:49] <effezeta> hello, I would like to install TeamViewer in my Angstrom BeagleBoard, is it possible? thanks
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  • [20:08:21] <mdp> alan_o, yeah, I'm gonna show you the big board...will try to add some hytek apparatus for a live feed of the big board
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  • [20:08:35] <_av500_> effezeta: teamviewrr is a dressed up VNC
  • [20:08:40] <alan_o> mdp: that would be awesome
  • [20:08:40] <_av500_> you can install VNC
  • [20:09:23] <mdp> no
  • [20:09:23] <mdp> hytek like a webcam pointing at the whiteboard
  • [20:10:00] * mdp opens a ticket for _av500_
  • [20:10:10] <effezeta> thanks, so I try to install VNC? a link please?
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  • [20:10:35] <mdp> alan_o, my resolution is better tracking of #beagle metrics
  • [20:11:04] <_av500_> effezeta: http://www.google.com
  • [20:11:14] <effezeta> :)
  • [20:11:16] <effezeta> another application, you can install Angstrom on BeagleBoard Adobe AIR?
  • [20:13:05] <mdp> _av500_, "...every app has The Cloud built in..."
  • [20:13:32] <mdp> I suspect the video wasn't meant to be comical
  • [20:13:59] <mph__> Morning.
  • [20:15:00] <_av500_> mdp: no, it was meant to be canomical
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  • [20:15:39] <_av500_> effezeta: your last question did not pass the semantic checker here
  • [20:16:28] <mdp> _av500_: indeed
  • [20:16:39] * NishanthMenon tries to compare http://www.androidauthority.com/linux-arm-architectures-140084/ vs today's announcement for the winner
  • [20:16:59] <_av500_> mdp: I lol'ed most at the QML mention
  • [20:17:12] <_av500_> read "gtk is so fucked, we went to the competition"
  • [20:17:58] <alan_o> It's sad that gtk isn't better
  • [20:18:10] <_av500_> why?
  • [20:18:18] <alan_o> because it should be
  • [20:18:35] <effezeta> Adobe AIR for Linux for Angstrom Beagsboard not work? I can not install it :( tnx
  • [20:18:36] <alan_o> It's just too many moving parts
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  • [20:18:52] <_av500_> effezeta: there is Adobe Air for Android
  • [20:19:31] <alan_o> and try to make it work on windows. Some people have worked really hard to make windows installers, and I've used those before, but it's a lot of storage required to deliver simple applications.
  • [20:19:32] <_av500_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Integrated_Runtime
  • [20:19:45] <_av500_> .... It also originally supported Linux, but that support was discontinued.
  • [20:19:52] <effezeta> last version for Adobe Air for Linux there is 2.6
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  • [20:20:00] <_av500_> for linux x86
  • [20:20:03] <_av500_> not arm
  • [20:20:39] <_av500_> the only air for arm is android
  • [20:20:43] <_av500_> that still exists
  • [20:22:06] <effezeta> ok, I have to install Adroid in Beagleboard? is the only solution?
  • [20:22:47] <alan_o> So as far as this ubuntu fone goes.... it surprises me that vendors like canonical and palm don't make images for phones that already exist and are at least semi-open, like the Nexus fones, so that people can actually use it if they want, instead of saying "hw vendors please partner with us"
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  • [20:23:38] <NishanthMenon> alan_o, you forget about "prop" binaries needed for those phones to work
  • [20:23:46] <dm8tbr> alan_o: the hardware is not 'ready' for 'bring your own os'
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  • [20:24:39] <NishanthMenon> in some cases, those binaries work only with specific drivers
  • [20:24:39] <NishanthMenon> so to make a simple port to bootup is different from production ready images
  • [20:24:47] <dm8tbr> alan_o: the hardware adaptation work is a very significant part of things and doing that in 'the community' is not always feasible. certainly not in a timeframe that wouldn't upset 'end users'
  • [20:25:27] <NishanthMenon> or in a timeframe to be relevant enough in market
  • [20:25:42] <alan_o> I'm not saying it's trivial, but it seems easier than just begging people to partner with you to make yet another phone OS.
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  • [20:26:02] <mdp> _av500_: it's amusing that it's disjoint as they recommend python/gtk for desktop and qml for mobile
  • [20:26:04] <alan_o> Which hw vendor is going to jump on this?
  • [20:26:39] <dm8tbr> alan_o: in theory firefoxOS should be even easier in that respect, still they don't want to do it. (they can recycle 99% of existing hw adaptation)
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  • [20:26:53] <mdp> alan_o, that's what canonical does...they show it on a Gnex.
  • [20:26:58] <alan_o> Sure there's proprietary parts, but aren't those mostly around the graphics driver, and couldn't they use the same ones?
  • [20:27:39] <alan_o> It seems like they could even use the same kernel as the Android builds.
  • [20:27:51] <alan_o> there are the proprietary userspace drivers.
  • [20:27:55] <mph__> well, i have some good news....
  • [20:28:06] * mdp braces himself
  • [20:28:29] <dm8tbr> there's a pile of things. RIL (modem/phone), display, ts, sensors, bt, wifi, ...
  • [20:28:40] <dm8tbr> power management
  • [20:29:42] * NishanthMenon shudders at the word :D
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  • [20:30:14] <alan_o> oh hey, he just said it can use Android kenrel and drivers, so if it runs Android "then it will also work with Ubuntu and bringing up new hardware will be simple and cost effective"
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  • [20:30:40] <NishanthMenon> alan_o, yeah sure :)
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  • [20:30:50] <alan_o> hey, I'm just quoting
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  • [20:31:06] <mdp> alan_o, *and* it has a great app ecosystem of crappy apps
  • [20:31:18] <alan_o> mdp: like Android and iOS!
  • [20:31:22] <mdp> which makes it on par with the appstore/playstore ecosystems
  • [20:31:24] <mdp> jinx!
  • [20:31:38] <mdp> alan_o, we are aligned, I believe :)
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  • [20:31:45] <alan_o> indeed :)
  • [20:32:07] <_av500_> dm8tbr: ubuntu or FF os is the same thing
  • [20:32:14] <_av500_> wrt hw adaption
  • [20:32:30] <_av500_> both can ride android coat tails
  • [20:32:43] <boxysean> hey guys i'm looking for beaglebone cape template kicad files and my google skills are failing. know where i can find em?
  • [20:32:52] <_av500_> mph__: pray tell
  • [20:33:03] <alan_o> How are they going to prevent hw vendors from introducing proprietary changes, like with Android? Is UbuntuFone going to be GPL? That'd be interesting...
  • [20:33:12] <_av500_> of course not
  • [20:33:20] <mdp> boxysean: https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit-Eagle-Library
  • [20:33:29] <mph__> its been confirmed that it is possible to get linux to run on an unmodified ICE board
  • [20:33:56] <_av500_> ICE?
  • [20:34:07] <mdp> boxysean: mranostay has an updated version at https://github.com/mranostay/Adafruit-Eagle-Library
  • [20:34:09] <mph__> iu dont' mind putting in the hard yards to get something to work.. but when its not my area of expertise or experience, its good to know that it can be done before you start
  • [20:34:19] <boxysean> mdp: ty!
  • [20:36:24] <alan_o> Hey so I've actually got an on topic question.....
  • [20:36:29] <alan_o> http://pastebin.com/xbZ3ij95
  • [20:36:35] <alan_o> I'm getting the above dump
  • [20:36:41] <mdp> alan_o, we were already on topic!
  • [20:36:44] <alan_o> I figured out what the issue is.
  • [20:36:54] <alan_o> mdp: (you were, but I wasn't :) )
  • [20:37:01] <mdp> ok, then...we are aligned again
  • [20:37:11] <alan_o> The issue is that I'm doing a non-aligned read
  • [20:37:15] <alan_o> well, some code is doing a non-aligned read
  • [20:37:28] <mdp> we are not aligned then
  • [20:37:30] <alan_o> it's causing a data abort, and the data abort handler is trying to handle the situation
  • [20:38:21] <alan_o> :)
  • [20:38:22] <alan_o> So then the exception handler is trying to schedule() and it's in interrupt context
  • [20:38:22] <_av500_> alan_o: you can do non-aligned
  • [20:38:22] <alan_o> hence the dump
  • [20:38:22] <_av500_> A8 supports that
  • [20:38:22] <alan_o> hmm
  • [20:38:23] <alan_o> all the time/
  • [20:38:24] <alan_o> ?
  • [20:38:29] <_av500_> you just have to be aligned with the kernel on that :)
  • [20:38:31] <alan_o> even in interrupt context
  • [20:38:32] <alan_o> ?
  • [20:38:33] <alan_o> oh
  • [20:39:03] <mdp> it's telling you that you are in a critical section and trying to handle the alignment fault...
  • [20:39:07] <alan_o> Well what's the right answer then, how do I align my data, or should I even be? It's sk_buff objects. I make a copy, and the copy isn't aligned with the ipv6 part anymore.
  • [20:39:16] <alan_o> mdp: yes, exactly that
  • [20:39:36] <mph__> http://www.ti.com/tool/tmdxice3359 <--- ICE Industrial Communications Engine.. its very similar to the Beagle in mnay respects
  • [20:40:07] <_av500_> mph__: so why should it not run linux?
  • [20:40:39] <alan_o> so do I need to turn on a kernel option to allow non-aligned data, or do I need to trick the skb copy stuff into making the data aligned?
  • [20:40:53] <mph__> _av500, the realtity is i'm not qualified to be able to tell you that..
  • [20:40:55] <alan_o> I guess the question is what's the "right" way
  • [20:41:44] <_av500_> alan_o: I tend to forget the details thta mru keeps repeating to me
  • [20:41:51] <_av500_> but A8 can do unalinged AFAIK
  • [20:42:00] <_av500_> but I think you need to enable it or so
  • [20:42:28] <dm8tbr> _av500_: how is that supposed to work wrt bionic/libc?
  • [20:43:21] <mdp> alan_o, regardless, you don't want things unaligned
  • [20:43:27] <alan_o> _av500_: I feel like I should make my code aligned though, since the code I introduced seems to be the only unaligned part.
  • [20:43:43] <_av500_> alan_o: yes
  • [20:43:46] <alan_o> so I guess we're in alignment again
  • [20:43:47] <_av500_> dm8tbr: no idea
  • [20:44:04] <mdp> alan_o, you can't handle an alignment fault in an atomic section...you introduced a bug
  • [20:44:04] <mranostay> _av500_: you op status scares me
  • [20:44:11] <mdp> please fix
  • [20:44:21] <_av500_> mranostay: yeah, you should be scared
  • [20:44:39] <mdp> plus you don't want to fix stuff up in faults when you don't have to in the first place...it's costly
  • [20:44:46] <_av500_> yes
  • [20:44:47] <_av500_> align
  • [20:44:54] * mranostay kicks av500
  • [20:44:56] <mdp> *now* we are aligned
  • [20:44:57] <alan_o> Right, so even if I turned on non-aligned stuff in the menuconfig, It still wouldn't work on an arm9 or whatever
  • [20:44:58] * mranostay runs away
  • [20:45:58] <alan_o> hmm, so it's now to figuring out which of the skb functions/options I need to use. They're documented oh so well, and only wrong about half the time.....
  • [20:46:22] <alan_o> two trolls guard two skb functions, one always lies, the other always tells the truth.....
  • [20:46:45] <mdp> correct, alan_o, you'd be incompatible
  • [20:47:17] <alan_o> yeah and it turns out that most of the networking stuff runs in interrupt context.
  • [20:47:43] <mdp> and depending on which type of access...behavior is very different
  • [20:50:06] <alan_o> mdp: seems right. I bet the compiler is generating something to access the ipv6 addresses (which is where it's failing) as an 8-byte block. Accessing it by 4's doesn't fault.
  • [20:51:12] <mdp> alan_o, read the old http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg199088.html thread for more info.
  • [20:51:12] <alan_o> ok, thanks for the help guys. Much appreciated.
  • [20:51:13] <alan_o> I'm now -1 for support given vs received for 2013
  • [20:51:13] <alan_o> I'm behind even the lurkers on the big board.
  • [20:52:52] <_av500_> mdp: this thread is strange
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  • [20:53:18] <_av500_> its about alignment and it has RMK, but no mru to argue with him
  • [20:53:24] <_av500_> I call fake
  • [20:53:27] <mdp> mru is there
  • [20:53:44] <mdp> http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg199363.html
  • [20:53:45] <alan_o> _av500_: photoshopped?
  • [20:54:10] <_av500_> mdp: ah
  • [20:54:12] <_av500_> so it is the one
  • [20:54:15] <_av500_> sorry then
  • [20:55:46] <alan_o> This guy has exactly the same problem as me. IP6 headers.... I wish I had found this last night. Didn't search for the right terms apparently
  • [20:57:03] <mdp> I read it originally is the only reason I remembered it
  • [20:57:39] <mdp> partially because I've had to code sanely to avoid unneeded faults for performance on another architecture...I found it interesting..
  • [20:59:09] <mdp> alan_o, we always aligned our headers even on powerpc drivers due to dma engine alignment requirements as well.
  • [20:59:48] <panto> 'night
  • [20:59:48] <mdp> whereas our cpu core could happily handle unaligned accesses
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  • [21:00:08] <mdp> alan_o, does your mrf driver align properly?
  • [21:00:24] <alan_o> I've always wondered about the alignment with the 14-byte ethernet header like the one guy talks about. It bugged me that we had hand-packed 32-bit structs and all, but it was all defeated by a non-aligned ethernet header.
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  • [21:01:04] <mph__> mranostay are you the brains behind one of those FPGA/CPLD boards?
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  • [21:01:44] <jarrettv> hello
  • [21:01:45] <alan_o> mdp: I pull stuff straight from the device into an skb, iirc. The question would be whether the IP inside 802.15.4+lowpan is aligned
  • [21:01:49] <alan_o> acutally I'm sure that it's not
  • [21:02:50] <alan_o> because the lowpan header length is variable, and sometimes just one byte.
  • [21:02:50] <jarrettv> did the cape competition end?
  • [21:02:51] <alan_o> jarrettv: afaik, it ended the 31st of Dec
  • [21:03:09] <mdp> alan_o, but you alloc those skbs and control alignment
  • [21:04:16] <mdp> I believe there's newer macros, but take a look at drivers/net/ethernet/ibm/emac/core.c:emac_alloc_rx_skb()
  • [21:04:40] <mph__> i guess the FPGA boards are probably useful for learning stuff.
  • [21:04:51] <mdp> that's a mature driver that I'm familiar with is the only reason I cite it
  • [21:06:58] <mdp> alan_o, I don't know ipv6 details, just once heard that it was designed for alignment compatibility with ipv4..maybe that's not 100% the case when you put the broken arm architecture in the mix though
  • [21:08:39] <alan_o> mdp: it's not that ip6 is the problem. It's the bytes stacked up on top of it.
  • [21:08:50] <_av500_> ipv8 will fix that
  • [21:10:11] <mdp> which is closely related to aargh64
  • [21:13:05] <mranostay> mph__: no i am not
  • [21:13:10] <mranostay> geiger cape
  • [21:13:18] <mph__> did you enter that?
  • [21:14:26] <mph__> i cant find the list of entrs now
  • [21:19:35] <mranostay> yeah
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  • [21:25:43] <jarrettv> wish the bone was cheaper
  • [21:26:28] <_av500_> why?
  • [21:27:27] <s5fs> i wish everything was cheaper
  • [21:27:28] <alan_o> so mdp, http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg200193.html says that "Networking stack mandates that IP headers are aligned on 4 bytes boundaries ... Some drivers are not aware of the NET_IP_ALIGN stuff. They should be fixed, or else you have alignment faults." it sounds like he's talking about me.
  • [21:27:39] <s5fs> or, alternatively, i wish i had far more disposable income.
  • [21:28:00] <alan_o> mdp: http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/include/linux/skbuff.h?a=arm#L1584 (comment above net_ip_align)
  • [21:28:29] <alan_o> mdp: it looks like that's what I'm going to have to put in the lowpan code. I don't think it's appropriate for the mrf driver since it doesn't know about IP.
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  • [21:30:55] <mdp> note that's what we do in the ibm emac ethernet driver due to the 14 byte ethernet header...i.e. in all ethernet drivers more or less
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  • [21:33:31] <alan_o> mdp: ethernet has a constant header size though. 802.15.4 + 6lowpan doesn't, and the real sizes aren't known until the lowpan code.
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  • [21:51:29] <mdp> alan_o, but it's the same issue at least
  • [21:52:56] <alan_o> mdp: yeah, it's the same idea. It's fix-it-before-it-gets-to-the-ip-stuff
  • [21:53:06] <mdp> right
  • [21:59:13] <mdp> alan_o: you made me look at the 802.15.4 mac header...interesting :)
  • [22:00:28] <alan_o> hehe
  • [22:00:39] <alan_o> yeah, it and he lowpan headers are all about saving bytes.
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  • [22:02:19] <alan_o> It's always funny the jobs that Linkedin thinks I might be interested in
  • [22:02:24] <mdp> you know, the interesting thing is that copying to force alignment at runtime is not even a big deal in the big picture due to the relatively low throughput of this standard
  • [22:02:31] <mdp> though somebody will always argue that
  • [22:02:49] <alan_o> mdp: good point, I didn't even think about that part
  • [22:02:53] <mdp> alan_o, it thinks I'm interested in living in places that the masses think are wonderful :)
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  • [22:08:50] <alan_o> mdp: you don't like Boston?
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  • [22:19:28] <mranostay> who can? :)
  • [22:19:34] <mranostay> accents always get me
  • [22:20:51] * dm8tbr throws mranostay a couple ^ and `
  • [22:23:43] <mranostay> how dare yo
  • [22:23:46] <mranostay> *you
  • [22:24:44] <dm8tbr> did they get you? ;)
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  • [22:25:28] <mranostay> koen: should have i received a ship notice by now?
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  • [22:37:13] <mranostay> welcome robclark
  • [22:37:39] <robclark> hiya mranostay
  • [22:38:36] <_av500_> uh oh
  • [22:38:41] <_av500_> robclark trolls here
  • [22:38:50] <robclark> :-P
  • [22:38:53] <_av500_> mothers, hide your GPUs
  • [22:39:08] <robclark> not one gpu is safe :-P
  • [22:39:15] <robclark> (well, ok, one is..)
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  • [22:39:45] <_av500_> you are to the GPU what the Boston strangler is to the woman alone
  • [22:39:51] <_av500_> not my words
  • [22:40:29] <mranostay> nice visual
  • [22:41:09] <robclark> umm, thanks?
  • [22:41:25] <_av500_> :)
  • [22:42:02] <mranostay> robclark: don't mind him he really doesn't bite... much..
  • [22:42:02] <_av500_> old http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Strangler#In_popular_culture
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  • [22:42:17] <_av500_> see the Valenti quote
  • [22:42:20] <robclark> don't worry
  • [22:42:25] * robclark knows _av500_
  • [22:42:33] <_av500_> :)
  • [22:42:50] <mranostay> robclark: i'm sorry :)
  • [22:43:25] <_av500_> +1
  • [22:43:38] <mranostay> nice "Jack Valenti, former head of the MPAA compared the VCR to the Boston Strangler, by saying they had a comparable effect on the American public to the Strangler's effect on women." ah yeah
  • [22:43:59] <mranostay> murderer and someone taping a ball game same effect :)
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  • [22:47:10] <_av500_> mranostay: I only pick the best sources :)
  • [22:50:51] <Crofton|work> Where is mru?
  • [22:51:51] <mranostay> alive i hope
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  • [23:02:29] <mranostay> long holiday i'm guessing
  • [23:03:33] <mranostay> denix: ping
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  • [23:07:50] <mranostay> robclark: so what do you do to GPUs that _av500_ claims? :)
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  • [23:22:12] <robclark> mranostay, http://freedreno.github.com/
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  • [23:28:46] <mranostay> quick everyone hide
  • [23:30:58] <mranostay> how is prpplague today?
  • [23:31:41] <prpplague> mranostay: frustrated and stressed
  • [23:32:09] <prpplague> mranostay: dealing with all the potentials of a move, new job, transitioning panda out of TI support
  • [23:34:09] <mranostay> prpplague: turn that frown upside down!
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  • [23:35:10] <mranostay> prpplague: left coast?
  • [23:35:20] <prpplague> yea
  • [23:35:31] <mranostay> so storage locker in Neveda? :)
  • [23:35:34] <mranostay> *Nevada
  • [23:36:17] <prpplague> mranostay: its all the sell house/buy house thing that i am worried about
  • [23:36:28] <mranostay> prpplague: underwater?
  • [23:36:39] <mranostay> well i think everyone is
  • [23:37:01] <prpplague> mranostay: naw, just worried about getting a loan for property in california, and trying to find something in a good price range
  • [23:37:12] <mranostay> hehe 'good' price range
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  • [23:38:16] <mranostay> prpplague: south bay or east bay?
  • [23:38:57] <Crofton|work> rent
  • [23:39:35] <mranostay> renting does make the most sense here
  • [23:42:39] <mranostay> prpplague: at least rent the first year i say
  • [23:44:55] <Russ> prpplague, howdy neighbour!
  • [23:45:16] <Russ> mranostay, usually an easy choice, but the market is not currently standing still
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