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  • [00:47:51] <Salal> I am wondering if there is any way to run code on the host computer (in this case preferentially a mac) and access the i/o's on the beaglebone? The software I have been developing in c++ runs too slowly on the beaglebone, and all I really want is to send/receive signals to some simple hardwar (pager motor, accelerometer... and an fsr matrix).
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  • [00:51:53] <Salal> Any idea(s)??? I feel like there should be a way to have a library on the host computer that allows access to the beaglebone pins?
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  • [00:53:40] <Salal> Is this a stupid question? Have I missed a basic solution / understanding?
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  • [01:06:22] <Salal> I am wondering if there is any way to access the beaglebone I/O's from code running on the host computer when it is plugged in (in this case C++ on a Mac)?
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  • [01:09:55] <mranostay> stop asking the same question
  • [01:15:30] <Salal> Is there an answer (I am not sure if people who are joining new see the old questions)?
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  • [01:43:39] <prpplague> Salal: yes of course there is an answer
  • [01:43:47] <prpplague> Salal: it is very easy to do
  • [01:44:07] <prpplague> Salal: how the F do you think people print to a printer not attached to their pc?
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  • [01:50:38] <mranostay> prpplague: btw i can see the schedule for that con. 9a - 11a talks 11a - 2p beach time 2p - 5p talks 5p -??? rum break
  • [01:50:48] <prpplague> hehe
  • [01:51:05] <prpplague> mranostay: seriously though i have a conference theme planned
  • [01:51:32] <mranostay> weirest linuxcon ever
  • [01:51:42] <prpplague> mranostay: open source for emerging communities
  • [01:51:54] <prpplague> mranostay: it would be a rocking linuxcon
  • [01:52:15] * prpplague is about 90% serious with this idea
  • [01:53:07] <mru> just us trolls meeting up on barbados wouldn't be such a bad idea either
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  • [01:53:42] <mranostay> mru: bitbanging bof?
  • [01:55:33] <mranostay> prpplague: i think mru would need SPF 150
  • [01:55:38] <prpplague> mru: hehe
  • [01:55:41] <prpplague> mranostay: hehe
  • [01:56:27] <mranostay> nice reply prpplague
  • [01:56:40] <prpplague> mranostay: oh thanks!
  • [01:56:58] * prpplague tried for years to get the local gov off MS stuff
  • [01:59:38] <prpplague> mranostay: i'd be willing to jump in the boiling pit of organizational mess if we got official support from LF
  • [01:59:47] <Salal> <prpplague> But specifically for the beaglebone, what is the driver / libary needed?
  • [02:00:21] <Salal> (Obviously I have the driver for connecting to it, and can ssh or use bonescript)
  • [02:00:45] <prpplague> Salal: let me answer that: i have no CLUE what you want to accomplish, but most likely SOMETHING has been created to solve you issue
  • [02:01:19] <prpplague> Salal: in 30 years of doing UNIX style developement i have only ONCE found an item that did not exist for what i wanted to do
  • [02:04:15] <prpplague> mranostay: maybe by chance linus will have a look and have some sort of influence, hehe
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  • [02:11:55] <mranostay> prpplague: put a G-note in your xmas card to him this year :P
  • [02:12:14] <prpplague> hehe
  • [02:12:32] <prpplague> mranostay: i am sure a G is little short on his value list
  • [02:13:18] <Russ> but I'd really prefer hawaii anyway, it can get hot a humid in the caribbean
  • [02:13:37] <prpplague> Russ: hehe indeed, depends on the time of year
  • [02:13:57] <prpplague> Russ: but at least for barbados we can get mranostay setup with some cousins
  • [02:14:03] <Russ> I went there for a comp'd thing once, some days just so bleh
  • [02:14:13] <Russ> (us virgin islands)
  • [02:14:25] <prpplague> Russ: hehe yea those are kind of bla
  • [02:14:39] <Russ> but you get out away from the island on a boat, and its ok
  • [02:15:27] <prpplague> mranostay: at least gkh +1'd my idea
  • [02:16:00] <Russ> my experience with hawaii was maui, perfect whether
  • [02:17:14] <Russ> er, weather
  • [02:17:29] <prpplague> hehe barbados is hot as hell
  • [02:17:52] <Russ> are there are ton of iguanas there too?
  • [02:19:29] <prpplague> hehe no iguanas
  • [02:19:34] <Russ> awww
  • [02:19:36] <prpplague> only giant centipedes
  • [02:19:43] <Russ> iguanas all over st thomas
  • [02:20:41] <mranostay> prpplague: ok you aren't selling these
  • [02:20:43] <mranostay> *this
  • [02:21:13] <mranostay> anything that can kill me?
  • [02:21:39] <prpplague> mranostay: plenty, hehe, but lots of "fun" stuff, hehe
  • [02:22:15] <mru> centipedes, yum!
  • [02:22:56] <prpplague> http://youtu.be/Qf8pAwGsuF4
  • [02:23:14] <Russ> now you're really selling it
  • [02:23:32] <mranostay> SFW?
  • [02:23:37] <Russ> yes
  • [02:24:21] <prpplague> Russ: hehe
  • [02:25:21] <mranostay> i so hate spiders
  • [02:25:40] <prpplague> very few spiders on barbados
  • [02:25:47] <mranostay> snakes?
  • [02:26:07] <Russ> bark scorpions are the worst for me
  • [02:26:10] <prpplague> mranostay: no snakes, the british imported mongooses which killed all the snakes
  • [02:26:24] <mranostay> british++
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  • [02:26:56] <mranostay> i sure that threw something else out of whack but whatever
  • [02:27:05] <prpplague> mranostay: 8 of every 10 births on barbados are females
  • [02:27:23] <mranostay> er how is that genetically possible?
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  • [02:27:56] <prpplague> mranostay: hehe it's possible, the vast majority of males leave the island
  • [02:28:14] <prpplague> mranostay: which leaves a very strong genetic disposition for females
  • [02:28:40] <mranostay> leave the island for where?
  • [02:28:48] <prpplague> mranostay: canada or Oz
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  • [02:29:02] <prpplague> mranostay: since both have open immigration for barbados
  • [02:29:02] <mranostay> can they enter the U.K. easily?
  • [02:29:19] <mru> in a small boat at night, sure :)
  • [02:29:23] <prpplague> mranostay: easier than the US, but not as easy as canada or oz
  • [02:29:31] <mranostay> oz?
  • [02:29:36] <prpplague> australia
  • [02:29:43] <mranostay> ah
  • [02:29:59] <mru> what, you've never heard that term before?
  • [02:29:59] <mranostay> why would they go there?
  • [02:30:05] <mru> to see the wizard?
  • [02:30:09] <prpplague> hehe
  • [02:30:28] <prpplague> mranostay: lots of work opportunities and education
  • [02:30:57] <mru> I know a crazy woman who moved there
  • [02:30:59] <mru> stay away
  • [02:31:23] <mranostay> seems kinda harse to avoid a country because of one crazy woman
  • [02:31:23] <prpplague> if mru thinks she was crazy, you better stay the hell away
  • [02:31:32] <mranostay> *harsh
  • [02:31:35] <prpplague> hehe
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  • [02:34:16] <prpplague> mranostay: say howdy - http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/462538_4563048955468_873482040_o.jpg
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  • [04:00:16] <mranostay> so how much does airfare to this island usually run? :)
  • [04:01:50] <prpplague> mranostay: depends on the time of year
  • [04:02:01] <prpplague> mranostay: average is about $600 from DFW
  • [04:02:10] <prpplague> mranostay: about $800 from SFO
  • [04:02:20] <mranostay> prpplague: that is true for most places. except Ohio :)
  • [04:02:43] <mranostay> $350 if you book a month out always :)
  • [04:02:46] <prpplague> mranostay: wtf? why did i think you were in SFO?
  • [04:02:59] <mranostay> prpplague: i am but i'm from Ohio
  • [04:03:07] <prpplague> hehe
  • [04:03:25] <mranostay> just an example of airfare that never goes up or down with seasons :)
  • [04:03:58] <prpplague> hehe
  • [04:04:37] <prpplague> mranostay: you'd be in sooooo much trouble down there
  • [04:05:11] <mranostay> as long as i don't have a mad texan at my door with a shotgun :)
  • [04:05:37] <prpplague> hehe
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  • [04:06:19] <prpplague> *cough* most guns are illegal there, it would be a cutlass
  • [04:06:31] <mranostay> oh so much beter....?
  • [04:06:34] <mranostay> *better
  • [04:07:07] <prpplague> you can outrun a cutlass
  • [04:12:46] <mranostay> mdp: my pru idea probably won't work :/
  • [04:13:38] <mranostay> prpplague: where is the Black Pearl at? :)
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  • [04:14:03] <prpplague> mranostay: hehe, it's called "sam lords castle"
  • [04:14:27] <prpplague> mranostay: it was this hole in the side of the island they used to shelter the ships and hide the loot
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  • [04:14:41] <prpplague> mranostay: the mansion burned a few years ago
  • [04:15:00] <prpplague> mranostay: they were doing restoration and found a massive cave with millions in spanish gold
  • [04:15:12] <mranostay> nice find
  • [04:15:28] <mranostay> i'm sure the government spend it wisely :)
  • [04:15:34] <mranostay> *spent
  • [04:15:54] <KeatonT> really?
  • [04:16:10] <prpplague> mranostay: hehe yea
  • [04:16:56] <xenome> does anyone know if the uEnv.txt file get removed when you upgrade the 4-25 demo image?
  • [04:17:04] <mranostay> er no
  • [04:20:32] <ka6sox> where do I sign up?
  • [04:20:50] <ka6sox> mranostay, not everyone needs SPF150
  • [04:25:59] <mranostay> well if are as pale white as me you do
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  • [04:31:38] <ka6sox> you are a california boy now...
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  • [04:32:19] <mranostay> norcal though
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  • [05:52:29] <mranostay> dm8tbr: hey bipolar dude
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  • [06:10:50] <Russ> hmmm..no sand castles in the sand reference
  • [06:12:04] <dm8tbr> mranostay: sup :)
  • [06:15:29] <mranostay> nobody got my npn joke :P
  • [06:16:28] <dm8tbr> I was FET up with it :-??
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  • [06:23:01] <Russ> I think I've reached my saturation point myself
  • [06:23:39] <Russ> It's time to just cut off that entire group of jokes
  • [06:25:16] <mranostay> heh
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  • [07:31:25] <salal> I was wondering if there is a way to use a beaglebone more like a daq: I want to run a program on my computer (c++ on a mac) that is graphics intensive, but access some of the beaglebone i/o ports to manipulate the graphics.
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  • [07:33:42] <LetoThe2nd> salal: its software, anything is possible.
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  • [07:36:09] <salal> yes, I realize that... I looked into putting a different os on the beaglebone (such as starterware) but that still apears to run the software on the beaglebone itself
  • [07:37:52] <salal> I wondered if there was something like a library, for instance if the beaglebone was an object in the software on the computer it is hooked up to and you could make calls to its i/o pins
  • [07:38:10] <LetoThe2nd> salal: of course, because none of those solutions magically senses what you want to do and therefore summons a two-part solution with communications.
  • [07:39:01] <LetoThe2nd> salal: write a small, fast thing to run on the bone and expose its funtionality through a fast interface + api of your choice. then write your host computer application.its just _two_ things to do.
  • [07:39:05] <salal> so, you are saying I should code something with a port connection of some sort? ssh or serial
  • [07:39:29] <LetoThe2nd> salal: i am not saying that. you said you want to divide your application.
  • [07:39:45] <salal> I suppose that could work
  • [07:40:00] <LetoThe2nd> salal: and if you want to tear it apart, you obviously will need a communication channel at at least one place.
  • [07:40:54] <salal> keep the image stuff on the computer, and then the i/o stuff on the beaglebone
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  • [07:41:26] <salal> thanks for the feedback, I guess I thought someone might have already written a library/program/whatever that might help
  • [07:41:40] <salal> but you are right, its probably best just to split it
  • [07:41:50] <LetoThe2nd> *just* *wonders*
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  • [07:48:49] <fewe_> hi
  • [07:49:01] <fewe_> is ther e anyone here from beagleboard's team?
  • [07:49:09] <fewe_> I'd like to RMA some boards because of the USB issues
  • [07:49:50] <LetoThe2nd> fewe_: well there is a guide to the RMA process on beagleboard.org, isn't it?
  • [07:52:27] <fewe_> There is one but it says there is a 90 days window and I'm way past this window
  • [07:52:27] <salal> Yep, you have to tell them the issue and they will reply if you can RMA it... and then you will likely have to send it to the 'beagle hospital'
  • [07:53:01] <fewe_> And that they do in on unmodified boards
  • [07:53:14] <fewe_> but i don't think adding an RTC battery will cause a usb problem
  • [07:53:24] <fewe_> LetoThe2nd: that's why I cam here first
  • [07:54:17] <LetoThe2nd> fewe_: well the time period depends on your local law. if that says your entitled to have a longer period, contact your supplier directly, as he has to take care then.
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  • [07:55:35] <LetoThe2nd> fewe_: if that is not the case, your best chance is still to contact the RMA team as described there.
  • [07:57:29] <fewe_> ok thanks
  • [07:58:09] <LetoThe2nd> fewe_: i mean, your lookup says france. what does france have? 1 or 2 years of warranty?
  • [08:00:23] <LetoThe2nd> .. which in turn is consierably more than 90 days. so i'd stronngly suggest you contact your dealer, as he has to take care of the local laws..
  • [08:01:30] <_av500_> LetoThe2nd: Happy Birthday!!!!
  • [08:01:32] <_av500_> old fart!
  • [08:02:59] <mranostay> everyone is older than me!
  • [08:03:04] <LetoThe2nd> \o/
  • [08:03:10] <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: thanks
  • [08:03:22] <mranostay> LetoThe2nd: hey old ____!
  • [08:03:30] <LetoThe2nd> mranostay: hrhrhr
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  • [08:04:24] <mranostay> i hope prpplague knows no company is paying for employees to go to barbados :)
  • [08:05:23] <mranostay> LetoThe2nd: so you have a keg coming?
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  • [08:05:39] <LetoThe2nd> mranostay: sure.
  • [08:06:04] <mranostay> so you live outside Munich?
  • [08:06:22] <_av500_> yes
  • [08:06:25] <LetoThe2nd> mranostay: yep
  • [08:06:35] <_av500_> mranostay: book a flight and crash the party
  • [08:06:41] <_av500_> I will smuggle you in
  • [08:06:48] <mranostay> well now i have about 8 hours vacation time...
  • [08:06:51] * LetoThe2nd hides all arm dev baords in the house
  • [08:07:02] <_av500_> LetoThe2nd: ok, I will bring more
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  • [08:08:10] <LetoThe2nd> *facepalm*
  • [08:08:17] <mranostay> we all need to spill beer on a pandaboard for the fallen TI guys
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  • [08:09:02] <mranostay> you know E-ELC 2013 in Munich would have been great..
  • [08:09:42] <LetoThe2nd> maybe 2014
  • [08:09:51] <mranostay> although a female friend does like the U.K. :)..
  • [08:10:07] <LetoThe2nd> "a" female friend. ah yes.
  • [08:10:54] * mranostay is debating letting her meet the troll group
  • [08:12:15] <LetoThe2nd> mranostay: tell her she has wear one of the following 1) a tizen shirt 2) a metal shirt 3) nothing^M^M a dune shirt ;)
  • [08:12:53] <mranostay> hmmm 2 is the most likely
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  • [08:14:30] <mranostay> i kind warned her she'll probably have to met my weirdo friends
  • [08:14:43] * mranostay glares at mru, _av500_,LetoThe2nd, and etc
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  • [08:15:29] * LetoThe2nd is not a friend. i am a 3500 year old go emperor sandworm.
  • [08:15:39] <LetoThe2nd> i agree on the "weirdo", though ;)
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  • [08:16:32] <mranostay> christ don't mention the sandworm stuff please :)
  • [08:16:42] <LetoThe2nd> :-(((
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  • [08:18:16] <mranostay> dammit i see a bug here... damn you panto :)
  • [08:18:39] * LetoThe2nd also sees bugs.
  • [08:18:54] <mranostay> how dare you have bad code i code verbatim
  • [08:18:59] <mranostay> *copy
  • [08:28:47] <_av500_> mranostay: weirdo?
  • [08:28:48] <_av500_> me?
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  • [08:29:39] <_av500_> mranostay: I can be nice to ze ladies
  • [08:29:45] <mranostay> you better me
  • [08:29:48] <mranostay> *be
  • [08:29:52] <_av500_> not, not you
  • [08:29:55] <_av500_> sorry
  • [08:30:00] <_av500_> have principles
  • [08:30:04] <mranostay> i don't care about me
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  • [08:56:40] <panto> gm
  • [08:56:46] <mranostay> panto: damn you!
  • [08:57:11] <panto> is that a statement or endorsement?
  • [08:59:52] <_av500_> resentment
  • [09:00:12] <mranostay> _av500_: my broken german is more annoying than not knowing one word.... :)
  • [09:01:46] <_av500_> mranostay: "Ein Bier bitte"
  • [09:02:16] <mranostay> one beer little?
  • [09:02:42] <mranostay> ah ein is a, correct?
  • [09:02:47] <mranostay> eins is one
  • [09:05:26] <_av500_> yes
  • [09:05:43] <_av500_> and if you stab me, I cant buy you beer
  • [09:05:55] <_av500_> and you look like 12, soso they wont sell you one
  • [09:05:59] <_av500_> -so
  • [09:06:16] <LetoThe2nd> looking like 16 is enough in germany, though ;)
  • [09:08:07] <_av500_> true that
  • [09:08:10] <_av500_> but not any more
  • [09:08:21] <_av500_> I see them check IDs a lot at stores now
  • [09:08:37] <_av500_> in the 80s, getting a beer for daddy by a 8y old was normal
  • [09:09:23] <mranostay> i have never been "carded" in the EU. i don't think that even happens
  • [09:10:09] <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: also 90ies
  • [09:10:53] <LetoThe2nd> mranostay: thats because looking like 16 is rather easy. well, for us at least
  • [09:11:32] <mranostay> i'm sure i was drinking with some 16 year old french girls on Paros, Greece :)
  • [09:12:04] <mranostay> panto: good island btw :)
  • [09:12:36] * LetoThe2nd was drinking with all kinds of people in epirus ;)
  • [09:13:32] <panto> heh
  • [09:13:36] <LetoThe2nd> but yeah, at least here they do the id checking pretty well, at least for spirits.
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  • [09:51:30] <mranostay> LetoThe2nd: i don't even carry my passport around in the EU
  • [09:51:51] <mranostay> just my california driver's license
  • [09:55:40] <_av500_> mranostay: I bet that looks like it cam out of a ceral box
  • [09:55:44] <_av500_> came
  • [09:55:46] <_av500_> cereal
  • [09:55:48] <_av500_> argh
  • [09:56:21] <mranostay> er no actaully
  • [09:56:35] <mranostay> it probably one of harder to fake
  • [09:56:46] <mranostay> i think you are thinking of Hawaii
  • [09:57:40] <_av500_> mranostay: thinking US in genaral :)
  • [09:59:21] <mranostay> ironically i only drank illegally a few times
  • [09:59:39] <mranostay> 21-now is my big drinking years
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  • [10:08:39] <ant_work> koen: pls pull patchwork #40005
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  • [10:29:58] <keesj> can I add a magic command at the end of my bootcmd to get back to the u-boot prompt?
  • [10:30:32] <panto> keesj, init=/sbin/reboot ?
  • [10:31:34] <keesj> I mean I read u-env (load some kernel ) but don't want to do a "go 0x8.....). If I don't do that u-boot continues with some other defaults (getting the kernel from tftp)
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  • [10:32:53] <panto> modify you bootcmd then?
  • [10:34:29] <keesj> to what ? is there a "prompt" command I can add at the end?
  • [10:36:04] <panto> keesj, # printenv
  • [10:36:16] <panto> you don't add a command
  • [10:36:28] <panto> just don't boot the kernel
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  • [10:40:12] <keesj> that would require changing bootcmd (it goes like "load uEvn.txt" from mmc run if bootmmcdmd else run pxe stuff). if I can add a simple "prompt" at the end of the mmboot command it would save me the trouble hence the question.
  • [10:40:53] <panto> you could try putting an exit 0
  • [10:41:08] <panto> no idea if it will work, you're request is pretty weird
  • [10:41:09] <panto> *your
  • [10:47:04] <keesj> I guess It's better asked @ the u-boot irc
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  • [10:51:06] <ant_work> koen: thx. Now waiting for 3.8 (it looks like linux-yocto will jump from 3.4 to 3.8)
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  • [11:27:01] <Nick_1> Hi, How can i start android porting on beagle board
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  • [11:35:34] <koen> Nick_1: *on* beagle or *to* beagle?
  • [11:35:52] <koen> Nick_1: if it's *to* beagle, that has already been done
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  • [11:38:17] <LetoThe2nd> koen: tizen all the bit banging ports :)
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  • [11:41:58] <Nick_1> I want detailed information about kernel building and rootfs build, I want to do it from crash
  • [11:42:08] <Nick_1> scratch
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  • [11:43:05] <Nick_1> <Koen > Can i have detailed guildeline
  • [11:43:27] <LetoThe2nd> Nick_1: read up on AOSP, thats the generic process. adapt for the beagle later.
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  • [11:44:19] <Nick_1> LetoThe2nd: Ok
  • [11:45:09] <LetoThe2nd> Nick_1: google has also lots of information, like http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#Android
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  • [11:45:50] <ogra-cb> you mean they hide that info on wikis ?
  • [11:45:52] <ogra-cb> evil
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  • [11:46:35] <LetoThe2nd> ogra-cb: yes. not putting it on www.the-exact-steps.info is really... i find no words.
  • [11:46:46] <ogra-cb> ++
  • [11:47:09] * LetoThe2nd is so tempted to grab that domanin
  • [11:47:14] <ogra-cb> hehe
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  • [11:51:14] * LetoThe2nd hereby declares: the-exact-steps.net is mine!
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  • [11:54:56] <koen> LetoThe2nd: sweet!
  • [11:55:09] <koen> LetoThe2nd: do you also have i-have-some-doubts.info?
  • [11:55:31] <LetoThe2nd> koen: nope, that ones for av500
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  • [11:56:04] <LetoThe2nd> koen: you can have i-want-to-port.info, and mru gets send-me-the-codez.org
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  • [11:58:17] <mru> LetoThe2nd: who gets i-am-facing-issues.biz?
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  • [11:58:47] <LetoThe2nd> mru: hm. either dave or matt, i'd suggest
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  • [11:59:51] <Nick_1> I am having issue with adding the new device on android rootfs
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  • [12:05:23] <Guest80222> Hi all. I had a brief question about product warranty. Hope you can help me :) Im about to buy a BeagleBone from Mouser, and my question is: in the improbable case I recive a defect board, does the warranty cover all costs related to repair/replacement and transport? I live in europe, so I dont know if there will be any additional oversea-shipping cots for me.
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  • [12:06:15] <jackmitchell> Guest80222: How come you are ordering from Mouser? I believe Farnell would be a better option in Europe
  • [12:06:34] <jackmitchell> Guest80222: also known as Element14, I think...
  • [12:06:51] <Guest80222> Because of the price. But ill check it out again. Mouser was the cheapest compared to the rest
  • [12:06:57] <Guest80222> Ill have a look again on farnell
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  • [12:11:22] <Guest80222> Wait what? Mouser just increased in 4??? the cost of the board compared to 2 days ago
  • [12:12:31] <Guest80222> now its almost even with farnell
  • [12:13:12] <Guest80222> but bag again to my question. In case its defect, do I have to assume any cots?
  • [12:14:03] <jackmitchell> Guest80222: If it is defective on arrival then I would RMA back to Farnell (which I know is free) or Mouser (I don't know there RMA procedure)
  • [12:14:38] <jackmitchell> Guest80222: if it becomes defective I believe RMA postage costs back to BeagleBoard HQ are your responsibility (but don't quote me on that ;) )
  • [12:14:51] <LetoThe2nd> depends a bit on local law
  • [12:15:15] <Guest80222> So I would have to assume to costs of sending it back...
  • [12:15:37] <jackmitchell> Guest80222: Why do you think it would break, are you planning on doing odd things with it?
  • [12:15:38] <LetoThe2nd> if your local law entitles you that all resulting costs are at the expense of the dealer, then better pick a local dealer, even for a few bucks more.
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  • [12:16:10] <jackmitchell> Guest80222: If not, get a case, get a good quality power supply and don't go putting 5v down the GPIO :)
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  • [12:17:38] <Guest80222> In that case Ill reconsider using Mouser in favour of Farnell
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  • [12:17:56] <Guest80222> and I wont be using a cheap PSU better then :)
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  • [12:18:47] <Guest80222> ok. Now I have things a bit more clear. You helped me a lot! ty :)
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  • [12:23:25] <Guest80222> See you soon. And thank you again!
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  • [12:36:12] <KotH> gr?ezi
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  • [12:41:20] <_av500_> jo
  • [12:41:33] <panto> yoyo
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  • [12:49:34] <mru> yoko
  • [12:49:59] <LetoThe2nd> ono
  • [12:51:31] <_av500_> nono, not ono
  • [12:55:29] <_av500_> LetoThe2nd: your domain is 404
  • [12:55:58] <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: no wonder, as it a) was registered just a few hours ago b) there is no httpd running
  • [12:56:47] <_av500_> pah
  • [12:56:56] <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: do i look as if i had the slightest clue of exact steps? ;)
  • [12:56:59] <_av500_> where is my five nines
  • [12:57:06] <_av500_> no
  • [12:57:24] <LetoThe2nd> so what did you expect? ;)
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  • [12:58:53] <KotH> at least 4 nines and swiss chocolate
  • [12:59:20] <dm8tbr> LetoThe2nd: domain?
  • [12:59:30] <KotH> www.the-exact-steps.info
  • [13:00:20] * LetoThe2nd accepts suggestions on what to put there.
  • [13:00:47] <KotH> the exact steps to aquire info?
  • [13:00:54] <mru> a wiki
  • [13:01:01] <mru> of links to wikis with steps
  • [13:01:55] <KotH> dance steps?
  • [13:02:04] <mru> if they are exact
  • [13:02:06] <KotH> measured down to the milimeter
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  • [14:21:26] <keesj> kernel stuff?
  • [14:21:39] <keesj> (oops)
  • [14:22:48] <mru> keesj: since you're here... is there a somewhat modern compiler available for minix3?
  • [14:25:36] <keesj> clang is the default
  • [14:26:15] <mru> yes, a random, broken snapshot
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  • [14:26:51] <_av500_> there no 2.95 for it?
  • [14:27:03] <mru> _av500_: you're thinking of haiku
  • [14:27:10] <keesj> there was a GSoC project to port gcc 4.7 but we are currently first aiming for the 4.5 from netbsd
  • [14:27:27] <mru> you're aware that 4.5 is dead upstream?
  • [14:27:35] <mru> and 4.6 is best skipped
  • [14:27:48] <mru> even-parity gcc versions are bad
  • [14:28:10] <keesj> there where also problems with 4.7 (abi stuff?)
  • [14:28:20] <mru> 4.7 seems pretty good to me
  • [14:28:35] <mru> I think I'll be switching to that as my primary compiler soon
  • [14:29:19] <mru> maybe once 4.7.3 comes out
  • [14:30:20] <mru> keesj: this is what mean by broken: http://fate.libav.org/x86_32-minix-clang/20121204014824
  • [14:33:07] <keesj> hi mru how to interpret the results? we can have a look at it
  • [14:33:36] <keesj> you might want to join #minix and complain there :P
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  • [14:44:35] <_av500_> keesj: interpret? read the error messages
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  • [15:10:08] <yegorich> HI! Anyone tried http://arago-project.org/git/projects/?p=linux-am33x.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/lcd-fbset
  • [15:10:35] <mru> hopefully the person who put it there has
  • [15:10:42] <mru> but I wouldn't count on it
  • [15:10:46] <yegorich> though both eth 0 and eth1 will be initialized, the eth1 is working only from time to time
  • [15:11:17] <yegorich> eariler verion on linux-am33x had no problems with dual-mac
  • [15:11:40] <yegorich> mru: O.K. I'm on my own again ;-)
  • [15:12:31] <yegorich> is there any special mailing list for arago kernel repos?
  • [15:14:31] <koen> heh
  • [15:14:44] <koen> yegorich: TI people get fired for asking about mailinglists
  • [15:15:07] <yegorich> koen: right, how could I forget this
  • [15:15:10] <koen> yegorich: you're much better off tracking mainline nowadays
  • [15:15:58] <yegorich> koen: hope the Linus would release 3.7 next week, so that the show for 3.8 can begin
  • [15:15:59] <denix> koen: that's a new one! :)
  • [15:16:08] <denix> koen: do you refer to wbu?
  • [15:16:14] <mdp> koen, fascinating
  • [15:16:56] <koen> denix: you know nageswari and how she works
  • [15:17:07] <yegorich> koen: I need dual-mac function, still don't see it in linux-omap or linux-next
  • [15:17:34] <denix> koen: firing people for asking about mailing lists? :)
  • [15:17:44] <mdp> yegorich: did you contact the cpsw maintainer?
  • [15:17:52] <koen> denix: trying very hard to at least
  • [15:18:02] <koen> denix: I know that from personal experience
  • [15:18:09] <yegorich> by the way, what is the proper way to deal with enable signals on wl1271 cards in the time of DT?
  • [15:18:11] <denix> wow
  • [15:18:32] <koen> yegorich: wl12xx has no DT support yet :(
  • [15:19:05] <mdp> heh, I had to work around lack of wl12xx DT support for dmaengine xbar testing
  • [15:19:09] <denix> btw, I was wondering myself about a public psp list for long time...
  • [15:19:21] <yegorich> koen: you mean, as soon as it will have, I just need to say on which pin enable signal is connected and then the driver makes startup sequence?
  • [15:19:29] <koen> denix: e2e is the one and only way
  • [15:19:41] <mdp> yegorich, the runtime power sequencing framework?
  • [15:19:49] <denix> koen: I know and I'm staying away...
  • [15:20:07] <yegorich> koen: perhaps, must take a look at this
  • [15:21:04] <koen> yegorich: right, once it has dt support, it should be a matter of listing the gpio
  • [15:21:23] <yegorich> by e2e I sometimes has a feeling, that the are mostly hardware people without deep Linux knowlegde ....
  • [15:21:55] <koen> yegorich: like this: http://pastebin.com/5M8090NG
  • [15:22:10] <mdp> e2e has s/w apps people monitoring that work on linux FT
  • [15:22:57] <yegorich> koen: thanks
  • [15:23:48] <yegorich> mdp: right, but there also some, that give proper links to errata or technical reference manual
  • [15:24:39] <mdp> as with community "forums", the quality of answers will vary
  • [15:25:27] <yegorich> mdp: :-)
  • [15:25:38] <mdp> the only metric tracked on e2e is that the reply count is >=1 within 24 hrs of post
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  • [15:48:31] <KotH> mdp: at least the answer on the ti forum are not totally crap
  • [15:48:44] <KotH> mdp: i have yet to find a usefull answer on the freescale forums
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  • [17:17:02] <mdp> KotH: yeah, there's a lot of quality info on e2e..you have to get past the fact that web ph0rums are not the best tool for some exchanges is all
  • [17:17:32] <clockman> I'm having a very annoying problem of gnuscreen terminating my detached sessions after I log out of an SSH session. Just like these people: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/beagleboard/S_R8NaCaiL8/fpNnAEG4v0wJ has anyone come up with a fix for this yet?
  • [17:17:43] <mdp> KotH, I learn a lot from e2e as it's quite often that an email query to other TIers results in non-response ;)
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  • [17:46:13] <KotH> mdp: that's why someone invented the telephone... just call them, they can't ignore you anymore once the picked up the phone :->
  • [17:47:50] <mdp> hrm, I hadn't thought of that
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  • [17:48:16] * mdp looks for the telephone
  • [17:50:32] <mru> mdp: want KotH's number?
  • [17:50:47] * mdp can't find the phone!
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  • [18:15:31] <mranostay> mru: according to linkedin i'm a bigger troll
  • [18:16:09] <prpplague> hehe
  • [18:16:41] <mru> prpplague: please endorse me
  • [18:16:57] <prpplague> hehe
  • [18:19:01] <prpplague> mru: wow, how did i not have you on my connections?
  • [18:19:26] <mdp> mru, connecting...now. I will endorse you
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  • [18:31:34] <mdp> mranostay, "agile" ;) I'm reminded about doing a recommendation against our EA years
  • [18:38:43] <mranostay> someone endorse my bitbanging
  • [18:40:21] <mdp> mranostay, job offers should be flooding in soon
  • [18:40:46] <mdp> I should send some of these TIRecruiterTrolls in your direction, they are sooo annoying
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  • [18:56:11] <KotH> mdp: uhmm..wait.. they just fired 1700 people and are now hiring again?
  • [18:56:58] <panto> it's one way for the recruiters to have work all the time
  • [18:57:25] <mdp> KotH: sorry for the confusion..I meant that as soon as the layoff was happening I saw a ton of recruiters hitting me on linkedin looking for names of people that need jobs...I assume anybody else with TI as their current saw similar
  • [18:58:26] <thurbad> got several calls from head hunters asking if we were hiring here in austin
  • [18:58:40] <KotH> mdp: ah..
  • [18:58:42] <KotH> mdp: ok..
  • [18:58:47] <woglinde> koth it is good behavoir to have job offers even your company is broken
  • [18:59:13] <woglinde> koth you find tons of this example
  • [19:00:25] <mdp> KotH, it was only one small part of TI with the layoff, btw...so plenty of hiring going on for other skills
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  • [19:01:34] <prpplague> plus if you consider contractors it was closer to 2500 people
  • [19:03:16] <mdp> KotH, I'm sure analog designers are being hired today...which couldn't be filled by OMAP people
  • [19:06:39] <KotH> mdp: juup.. but i dont assume that mranostay is an analog guy.. at least the home made cardigan was missing ;)
  • [19:06:50] <mdp> lol
  • [19:07:15] <mdp> sadly, mranostay is unhireable :(
  • [19:07:22] <mranostay> no but i play one on IRC
  • [19:07:42] <KotH> mdp: why? too young?
  • [19:07:54] <mdp> mranostay, I was thinking about that again due to the recent g+ thread on value of a degree :-/
  • [19:07:54] <mru> I'd hire him
  • [19:08:04] <mdp> mru, me too, I did it once before ;)
  • [19:08:26] <KotH> ah.. the you-must-have-a-degree-to-work-for-us-thingy?
  • [19:08:33] <mdp> +1
  • [19:09:25] <KotH> well.. a degree tells you at least that the guy was able to get a degree.. so he can't be more stupid than 90% of the population
  • [19:10:06] <mru> depends on the degree
  • [19:10:25] <mru> to some degree
  • [19:10:58] <KotH> well he got one, so it at least occured to him that a degree might be usefull, which places him higher than the lower 10%
  • [19:12:15] * prpplague waits for the flames on KotH to begin
  • [19:12:25] <mranostay> gee thanks KotH :)
  • [19:12:43] <mdp> KotH: mranostay knows we had to terminate a guy that had a degree because he was complete and totally _useless_.
  • [19:13:00] <KotH> lol
  • [19:13:20] <KotH> mdp: i've seen enough already that the degree doesnt tell more than that
  • [19:13:22] <mdp> mranostay, pretty easy to narrow that one down in our little tiny office of 3, eh?
  • [19:13:44] <KotH> mdp: and i know a few guys who i still wonder how they managed to get even past one exam
  • [19:14:13] <KotH> mranostay: dont take it personal, there is a top 10% that doesnt need a degree to prove they know stuff :)
  • [19:15:05] <mdp> KotH, you hit on the reason why several all-stars that work/worked for TI are/were contractors
  • [19:15:15] <mdp> at least people on my all-star list
  • [19:15:21] <mdp> ;)
  • [19:16:24] <mdp> luckily there's way to game the system and get work done
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  • [19:17:01] <mru> and make money
  • [19:17:40] <mdp> it can be a struggle to fight the culture of failure at many companies
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  • [19:19:16] <KotH> mdp: i might not be as experienced as you are, but i've seen enough to know a few things :-/
  • [19:19:29] <mdp> doesn't take long
  • [19:20:19] * NishanthMenon munches on hay meanwhile
  • [19:20:55] <mdp> NishanthMenon: hay prices are up..please ration your supplies
  • [19:20:58] <mru> NishanthMenon: they turned you into a horse?!
  • [19:21:37] <NishanthMenon> mru, http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_animal_eats_hay :P
  • [19:21:56] <reanguiano> Smart. Gets things Done. Isn't a Jerk. It sounds so simple, but hiring is a real pain. :)
  • [19:22:26] * mranostay waves to reanguiano
  • [19:22:31] * mdp considers that #cattleday could be a good response to #caturday peeps
  • [19:22:45] * reanguiano waves back to mranostay
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  • [19:22:58] <reanguiano> mranostay: Still enjoying the Bay Area?
  • [19:23:11] <mranostay> versus snow, yes :)
  • [19:23:15] <mdp> mranostay, on topic-ness, did you make any progress with the PRU nixie stuff
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  • [19:23:45] <mranostay> no day job and had to track down a silly bug in my PWM code
  • [19:24:00] <mdp> understood..just meant last night..okie dokie
  • [19:24:11] <mranostay> mdp: pwm bug :)
  • [19:24:20] <mdp> day job is also slowing down my important projects
  • [19:24:22] <mranostay> how dare code i copied from panto have bugs :)
  • [19:24:39] <panto> no way
  • [19:24:40] <mru> mdp: :)
  • [19:26:11] <mdp> mranostay, hehe, unpossible...I use him as the bug detector for my codez...are you telling me my test codez have bugz?
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  • [19:34:36] <woglinde> lol
  • [19:36:23] <mranostay> reanguiano: how is it going in ricardo-world?
  • [19:37:52] <Russ> NishanthMenon, my bunnies will be most displeased
  • [19:38:03] <Russ> also, the list is incomplete, my dogs eat hay too
  • [19:38:24] <reanguiano> mranostay: Pretty good. We got almost 5 inches of rain with the last storm. It was neat watching the creeks rise, but with no actual damage caused.
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  • [19:41:36] <reanguiano> Though I really must improve my drainage around this place.
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  • [19:44:06] <mranostay> built a moat
  • [19:44:12] <mranostay> *build even
  • [19:44:50] <mru> with sharks
  • [19:45:44] <LetoThe2nd> howdy trolls
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  • [19:47:49] <NishanthMenon> Russ, ;)
  • [19:50:19] <mdp> my dogs prefer rye grass and rabbits ;)
  • [19:50:57] <mru> I don't mind eating hay
  • [19:51:02] <mru> in the form of cows
  • [19:51:32] * LetoThe2nd saw mru actually eating something like vegetables.
  • [19:52:15] <mranostay> lies!
  • [19:52:53] <mru> humans are omnivores
  • [19:53:05] <LetoThe2nd> as i am a god emperor, i can decided what truth and lies are made of. for the rest, we have the ministry of truth ;)
  • [19:53:21] <mru> although it's possible to survive as a vegetarian
  • [19:53:37] <mru> LetoThe2nd: and the ministry of silly walks
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  • [19:53:53] <LetoThe2nd> mru: "possible" is exactly the correct word.
  • [19:54:02] <mranostay> a few things that are hard to find in plants
  • [19:54:10] <LetoThe2nd> mr like meat.
  • [19:54:27] <mranostay> like B12
  • [19:54:58] <mranostay> which ironically most B12 capsules are made from animal products. don't tell the vegans :)
  • [19:55:26] <KotH> is there a way to synthesise b12?
  • [19:55:37] <KotH> or: what are the others made of?
  • [19:55:40] <mru> KotH: maybe, but it's probably more expensive
  • [19:56:00] <mru> other what?
  • [19:56:13] <mranostay> and it kinda hurts the point we 'aren't suppose to eat meat'
  • [19:57:21] <KotH> mru: if most of the capsules are made from animals, what are the others made from?
  • [19:57:36] <mru> the rest are fake
  • [19:57:52] <mranostay> fake animals?
  • [19:57:58] <mdp> unicorns
  • [19:58:13] <mranostay> dammit porter i had that typed out :)
  • [19:58:33] <mranostay> mdp: north korea found those so not fake anymore
  • [19:58:42] <mru> yeah, b12 pills are a huge export from NK
  • [19:58:50] <mdp> quadricorns, then
  • [19:59:04] <LetoThe2nd> multicorns, generally
  • [19:59:12] <mdp> mranostay, north korea is like a paradise it seems
  • [19:59:13] <mranostay> candycorns?
  • [19:59:32] <mranostay> LinxCon North Korea?
  • [19:59:42] <mdp> Win China!!!
  • [20:00:13] <mdp> make the B12 capsules from candycorn, that'll work
  • [20:00:13] <KotH> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yJCNNwHUOE
  • [20:00:17] <mdp> gummycorns
  • [20:00:48] <KotH> (not safe for kids or work)
  • [20:01:08] <mdp> KotH: so far it looks ok for my daughter...
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  • [20:01:33] <mdp> KotH: but I'm guessing I should take the advice.. ;)
  • [20:01:47] <KotH> mdp: dont show it to your daughter
  • [20:01:51] <Russ> mdp, aren't they opening some new big hotel too? it could be perfect
  • [20:01:51] <mdp> :)
  • [20:01:55] <KotH> mdp: work might be ok, depends on your boss :)
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  • [20:02:10] <mdp> my boss never comes in my office
  • [20:02:13] <Russ> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryugyong_Hotel
  • [20:02:18] <mru> Russ: the one that's been opening Real Soon Now for the last 25 year
  • [20:02:19] <mru> s
  • [20:02:35] <Russ> actually, no, construction started up again 2008 full bore
  • [20:02:49] <Russ> the picture on the WP acticle is an actual, not a render
  • [20:02:58] <mranostay> who the hell wants to visit North Korea?
  • [20:03:25] <Russ> unicorns?
  • [20:04:01] <mranostay> ah right what was i thinking?
  • [20:04:16] <mdp> it's the next big market
  • [20:04:28] <mdp> there's a chance to be leaders here
  • [20:04:54] <mdp> KotH, lol, yeah, that could ruin things for her
  • [20:06:14] <KotH> mdp: on the other hand, it bears an important lesson to be learned
  • [20:06:17] <Russ> I'm pretty sure I remember something in an employee training video about north korea
  • [20:06:19] <KotH> mdp: similar to little red cap
  • [20:06:30] <mdp> hehe
  • [20:06:31] <Russ> must have been something about it being the next big market then
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  • [20:07:32] <KotH> mdp: especially old children stories used to be pretty bloody
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  • [20:07:47] <KotH> mdp: best example is probably max&moritz
  • [20:07:51] <KotH> mdp: if you know that
  • [20:07:53] <mru> where's alan_o?
  • [20:08:30] <spacecolonyone> Hey guys I'm having trouble figuring out why connman won't request an IP with I connect an ethernet cable to a USB adapter on the BBxM.
  • [20:08:42] <mdp> KotH: yes! a lot of Grimm's tales are somewhat grim too
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  • [20:09:12] <KotH> mdp: grimm is nothing compared to stuff like struwwelpeter :)
  • [20:09:47] <KotH> mdp: and guess what, i read that as a child... it was one of the childrens books at the doctor back when i was around 6 or so
  • [20:10:06] <spacecolonyone> If I run udhcpc -i eth1 or the connman test set-ipv4-methon <ID> dhcp, it works
  • [20:10:44] <spacecolonyone> but if I unplug the cable or the network goes down it won't bring itself back up without me repeating the process
  • [20:11:20] <mdp> KotH: my mom still has an english translation of m&m
  • [20:11:52] <mdp> KotH, german family, but quit speaking german post-war here
  • [20:12:09] <KotH> understandable
  • [20:12:18] <mdp> I read it when I was a bit older..you just reminded me I should show mine
  • [20:12:19] <mdp> thx!
  • [20:12:24] <mdp> older ones ;)
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  • [20:12:52] <KotH> mdp: how old are your children, if i may ask?
  • [20:13:04] <mdp> 14,12,8
  • [20:13:20] <KotH> hmm...
  • [20:13:30] <KotH> here nobody would have problems to show m&m to an 8 old child
  • [20:13:32] <mdp> my 8 does not like anything marginally scary
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  • [20:13:41] <mru> kids these days...
  • [20:13:42] <mdp> she's "delicate" ;)
  • [20:13:43] <KotH> so ka... well.. then :)
  • [20:13:51] <mdp> individual basis
  • [20:13:54] <KotH> but, wouldnt that be a reason to actually show her that stuff?
  • [20:13:57] <elik> what's m&m?
  • [20:14:03] <KotH> max und moritz
  • [20:14:06] <mdp> KotH: I don't run the show ;)
  • [20:14:12] <elik> thx
  • [20:14:21] <KotH> mdp: aren't you the man in the house? ;)
  • [20:14:38] <mdp> KotH: you come here and explain that!
  • [20:14:40] <mdp> ;)
  • [20:14:53] <KotH> sure, just send me my plane tickets ;)
  • [20:15:05] <KotH> oh.. and you have to bribe the TSA because of this list they have
  • [20:15:27] <mdp> you'd think they would be discounted to terminate in an undesirable location like here
  • [20:15:33] <mdp> hehe
  • [20:16:08] <mdp> KotH: we're all just one clerical error from being on "the list"
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  • [20:16:28] <mranostay> mdp: i was telling prpplague there is no seasonal change in rates to ohio :)
  • [20:17:20] <mdp> mranostay, I still can't believe we sometimes paid 110USD to fly from AZ<->OH...back in the day
  • [20:18:06] * KotH used to pay that much for ZRH<->IST
  • [20:18:19] <mdp> pre-TSA and the general epic crappiness of .us air travel
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  • [20:18:31] <KotH> nowadays it's cheaper to book a flight to ny for a weekend.. including hotel, than for a single trip to .tr
  • [20:18:41] <mdp> KotH: *sigh*
  • [20:19:00] <KotH> yeah..
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  • [20:22:56] <KotH> lol... flight to ist over new year: 850.- no hotel, flight to ny with hotel and party guide: 750.-
  • [20:23:29] <mranostay> party guide?
  • [20:23:36] <mranostay> friend that likes drinking?
  • [20:23:49] <KotH> well, if you are in ny for new year, then you want to party, dont you?
  • [20:24:27] <KotH> i guess they have some party tickets or something..
  • [20:24:44] <KotH> or maybe just show you where the times square is
  • [20:25:49] <mranostay> i don't need an event to drink :)
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  • [20:26:15] <KotH> i know, you can be drunk without having fun ;)
  • [20:26:37] <mranostay> hey!
  • [20:27:02] <mdp> times square looks awfully cold and crowded on new years eve
  • [20:27:06] <KotH> eh.. if i book with a hotel, i can fly cheaper
  • [20:27:18] <KotH> 290.- for one week in .tr
  • [20:27:40] <KotH> i guess i do that next time i fly there.. just go to my relatives instead of the hotel
  • [20:28:38] <mru> they will send an agent to the hotel to make sure you're there
  • [20:28:54] <KotH> turkey is not north korea
  • [20:29:04] <KotH> beside, i'm turkish citizen
  • [20:29:27] <mru> in north korea, you'd better not be a north korean citizen
  • [20:29:31] <mranostay> both places you are unlikely to find me in :)
  • [20:29:43] <mranostay> mru: hello there spy
  • [20:29:44] <KotH> mranostay: why?
  • [20:30:05] <KotH> mranostay: ok, nk i can understand, but whats bad about tr?
  • [20:30:58] <mru> hmm, wonder if mike melanson is off the hook for .tr military service yet
  • [20:30:58] <mranostay> ok sell me on going there :)
  • [20:31:19] <KotH> mru: he is probably way to old already
  • [20:31:39] <KotH> mru: and getting of the hook is easy: go to the embassy, tell them you did your service in $other_army and you're done
  • [20:31:50] <mru> but he didn't
  • [20:31:55] <KotH> who cares?
  • [20:31:59] <KotH> he doesnt have to
  • [20:32:09] <KotH> he just needs a stamp
  • [20:32:21] <panto> g'night
  • [20:32:31] <mranostay> no proof required?
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  • [20:32:50] <KotH> mranostay: nice weather, good food, gorgeeous girls,... :)
  • [20:33:18] <mranostay> i have that here
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  • [20:33:35] <KotH> mranostay: you're missing the exotic component ;)
  • [20:33:38] <mru> true, california has all of that
  • [20:36:59] <mdp> mranostay, and yet you choose to go into work all day and miss all that
  • [20:37:06] <mdp> for shame
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  • [20:41:53] <KotH> Subject: Join us for our first email delivery webinar
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  • [21:29:19] <Crofton> http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2012/12/sexual-politics-flight?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/whatwomenwant
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  • [22:04:32] <mranostay> ah SFW?
  • [22:04:57] <Crofton> yeah
  • [22:05:01] <Crofton> it is the Economist
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  • [22:05:13] <Crofton> probably explains why mru flies BA
  • [22:05:48] <mranostay> because he is secretly a woman?
  • [22:09:46] <mranostay> Crofton: who really wants the window seat?
  • [22:09:55] <Crofton> I think he likes to hang out with women
  • [22:12:06] <Russ> so opposite
  • [22:12:26] <Russ> I love window seats, my wife loves aisle seats
  • [22:12:38] <Crofton> same here
  • [22:13:06] <mdp> Russ, who loves the hairy sweaty person that will inevitably end up between you?
  • [22:13:28] <mranostay> mdp: both of them i guess
  • [22:13:37] <Russ> I usually take the middle, she gets the aisle
  • [22:13:40] <mru> Crofton: I haven't noticed an abundance of women on ba flights
  • [22:13:47] <mdp> Russ, that's what we do too
  • [22:14:10] <mdp> book the outer, offer sweaty-guy the aisle or window upgrade ;)
  • [22:14:30] <Russ> that usually works well too
  • [22:14:43] <mranostay> anyone else like playing the game "which one of these people coming down the aisle will i be stuck next too for the next 12 hours"? :)
  • [22:14:51] <Crofton> yeah
  • [22:15:23] <Russ> that's almost as good as the, is my flight delayed because it's about to be canceled game
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  • [22:17:24] <mru> on the A320-class planes, I always try to get seat 4C or 5C
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  • [22:17:45] <mru> and then stroll aboard among the last 5
  • [22:17:45] <mranostay> mru: er near first class?
  • [22:17:47] <Russ> what seat that is will vary by airline
  • [22:17:53] <mru> on BA
  • [22:18:03] <mru> first row of economy
  • [22:18:17] <Russ> ok, because I was going to say, if you stroll on late to a us airways flight, especially on the first row, you are so screwed
  • [22:18:27] <mru> aisle seat with no middle seat
  • [22:18:28] <Russ> no place to put either carry-on, you'd be checking your laptop
  • [22:18:47] <mru> there's always ample storage space in front of the curtain
  • [22:18:56] <Russ> not on us airways
  • [22:19:05] <mru> I don't fly with them
  • [22:19:09] <Russ> probably on ba
  • [22:20:52] <mranostay> we should have a troll plane connection for the next ELCE
  • [22:21:06] <Russ> LA?
  • [22:21:24] <mru> airline pilots are often quite trollish
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  • [22:25:53] <Crofton> we need to start a copmany and get bought by google
  • [22:26:07] <Crofton> so we have enough money to charter planes for trips
  • [22:26:24] <mranostay> trolltech? oh crap
  • [22:27:48] <mranostay> Crofton: doing nextgen hacking?
  • [22:28:01] <Crofton> rofl
  • [22:28:46] <mdp> you're just sorry they don't put lastgen hackerz on the newz
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  • [22:34:20] <mranostay> mdp: can't hack with a acoustic coupling modem anymore?
  • [22:35:54] <mdp> I'm so young my first modem was only missing the auto originate feature
  • [22:36:04] <mdp> missed out on the romantic world of acoustic couplers
  • [22:37:55] <mranostay> so i assume you had to manually hangup the receiver to redial on those things
  • [22:37:56] <unsolo> hi guys
  • [22:38:58] <mdp> mranostay, yeah, you dialed your number on the handset...did an ATO on the machine then hung up your handset
  • [22:39:11] <mdp> mranostay, frugal design
  • [22:39:59] <mranostay> so the wardialing in wargames wasn't even possible right? :)
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  • [22:40:18] <mdp> sure, with an auto originating coupler
  • [22:40:31] <mdp> it's just I had limited funds at that age ;)
  • [22:40:39] <unsolo> im running some fp code natively on a cortex-a8 with very limited profiling capabilities.. i managed to change the processing time from 32 to about 9 ms by changing to vfpv3 with softfp and roughly the same with neon. however since im using the 2009.q1 version of the codesourcery lite toolchain im guessing stuff like cos sin sqrt abs etc get really bad performance ? does it sound reasonable that the math lib is compiled w/o any fp support ?
  • [22:40:58] <mdp> and climbing into telco manholes is far more fun
  • [22:41:21] <mranostay> any criminal trespass on your youth record?
  • [22:41:37] <mdp> no, I've never done anything wrong
  • [22:42:25] <mranostay> come on your are among trolls
  • [22:44:45] <codefreak> Hey Guys, Am trying to write a simple USB keyboard driver using interrupts. Whats the port to read the Scan Code. Am using inb(0x60), leading to kernel errors. But the same code was working fine on my laptop.
  • [22:45:55] <mranostay> er
  • [22:46:01] <jacekowski> codefreak: errrrrrr
  • [22:46:04] <jacekowski> codefreak: you can't do that
  • [22:46:24] <mranostay> why would you want to do that is another question
  • [22:46:38] <jacekowski> codefreak: inb(0x60) is legacy x86 stuff
  • [22:46:38] <Russ> whoa
  • [22:46:52] <codefreak> oh. what is the equivalent for ARM.
  • [22:46:59] <mranostay> hehehehe
  • [22:47:07] <Russ> I was trying to eat something
  • [22:47:11] <jacekowski> codefreak: there isn't
  • [22:47:12] <Russ> cough cough cough cough
  • [22:47:17] <woglinde> lol
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  • [22:47:27] <jacekowski> codefreak: and inb(0x60) will not work on most of x86 computers as well
  • [22:47:37] <Russ> just read from the appropriate /dev/input/eventN
  • [22:47:43] <Russ> or stdin...
  • [22:47:52] <jacekowski> codefreak: what it's doing is using bios emulation of legacy ps2 keyboard
  • [22:48:03] <codefreak> http://sprunge.us/BYeJ
  • [22:48:17] <woglinde> why he writes a usb kbd driver at all?
  • [22:48:30] <codefreak> As part of some college assginment. :)
  • [22:48:41] <codefreak> Trying to implement a interrupt handler.
  • [22:48:46] <woglinde> lol
  • [22:49:23] <jacekowski> codefreak: it's not going to work on ARM like that
  • [22:49:25] <woglinde> anyway I am heading to bed
  • [22:49:27] <Russ> a usb keyboard driver doesn't have an interrupt handler
  • [22:49:35] <jacekowski> codefreak: and it won't work reliably on x86
  • [22:49:41] <woglinde> russ he maybee uses minix
  • [22:49:55] <Russ> see drivers/hid/usbhid/usbkbd.c
  • [22:50:14] <woglinde> russ thats cheating
  • [22:50:25] <Russ> fine then read the usb spec and the hid
  • [22:50:37] <codefreak> jacekowski : Am trying to implement a interrupt handler for Keyboard. So its no way possible to write a interrupt handler for keyboard on Arm /beagleboard. ?
  • [22:50:46] <Russ> codefreak, read the usb spec
  • [22:51:18] <jacekowski> codefreak: it is possible
  • [22:51:26] <Russ> http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/usb_20_110512.zip
  • [22:51:30] <jacekowski> codefreak: but ARM has completly different keyboard controller
  • [22:51:36] <Russ> http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs/HID1_11.pdf
  • [22:51:42] <jacekowski> codefreak: you don't understand interrupts
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  • [22:52:09] <Russ> you submit at interrupt urb, wait for it to come back, read the data, and submit a new one
  • [22:52:50] <Russ> codefreak, why arm?
  • [22:53:12] <jacekowski> codefreak: how did that thing work in a first place is a mystery
  • [22:53:20] <jacekowski> codefreak: because you are hooking into IRQ 1
  • [22:53:23] <codefreak> jacekowski : Ok am learning interrupts.
  • [22:53:24] <jacekowski> IRQ77
  • [22:53:34] <jacekowski> when you are supposed to be using IRQ1 for keyboard
  • [22:53:41] <codefreak> It works fine on my x86 ( laptop )
  • [22:54:01] <jacekowski> where did you get 77 from?
  • [22:54:30] <codefreak> figured out IRQ77 as USB Keyboard IRQ line on beagleboard from /proc/interrupts
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  • [22:54:52] * Russ the face...the palm...
  • [22:55:17] <Russ> a usb keyboard is connected through a usb controller, totally different
  • [22:55:18] <codefreak> Russ: i have to implement it on beagleboard ( part of coursework )
  • [22:55:33] <jacekowski> those are soft interrupts
  • [22:55:42] * Russ has recollections of someone desperately wanting to implement a ps/2 keyboard on beagle
  • [22:56:05] <jacekowski> codefreak: interrupts are hardware specific
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  • [22:56:11] <codefreak> ok
  • [22:56:17] <Russ> codefreak, you'll have to use usb_submit_urb
  • [22:56:27] <jacekowski> codefreak: and pain in the ass to implement working handlers for anything more complex than PS/2 keyboard
  • [22:56:35] <Russ> (and usb_alloc_urb, usb_free_urb, etc)
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  • [22:56:54] <codefreak> Thanks Russ. I will look into the docs shared by you.
  • [22:56:59] <Russ> usb_fill_int_urb
  • [22:57:18] <Russ> usb_register...
  • [22:57:33] <jacekowski> and you would have to unhook linux usb stack from it first
  • [22:58:08] <Russ> yes, I'm very confused about a course instructor that would have given this as an assignment, something is off, very off
  • [22:59:20] <Russ> here's some information about x86 port 0x60, now go do it on ARM
  • [22:59:51] <Russ> oh geez, this is even asu
  • [22:59:58] <jacekowski> Russ: i've done the same thing
  • [23:00:06] <jacekowski> Russ: as in, whoised his ip
  • [23:00:54] <Russ> what is the course number anyway?
  • [23:00:59] <jacekowski> Russ: that code he pasted looks like copied directly from stack exchange
  • [23:01:07] <jacekowski> stackoverflow
  • [23:01:11] <jacekowski> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7122392/writing-basic-keyboard-interrupt-handler-throws-unknown-key-released
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  • [23:02:49] * Russ follows the github link to some very confused kernel code
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  • [23:05:53] <Russ> we'll never know...
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  • [23:08:46] <jdcravens> Anyone had any issues trying to upload Arduino sketches from the USB port using avrdude - avrdude: stk500_getparm(): (a) protocol error, expect=0x14, resp=0x00
  • [23:09:40] <jdcravens> using this https://github.com/todbot/ArduinoOnBeagleBone, I am trying to compile and upload sketches from the Beagelbone to an Arduino
  • [23:10:38] <jdcravens> I can compile, but error on the upload
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  • [23:16:43] <jdcravens> Anyone know why /dev/ttyUSB0 would be missing, or how to add back?
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  • [23:20:38] <jacekowski> no drivers
  • [23:20:42] <jacekowski> udev messing things up
  • [23:20:53] <jacekowski> check if you get anything in dmesg when your arduino is plugged in
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  • [23:26:39] <jdcravens> dmesg works - it recognizes it
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  • [23:27:49] <jdcravens> usb 1-1: Product: Arduino Uno
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  • [23:29:50] <jacekowski> anything else
  • [23:29:56] <jacekowski> that's just usb even
  • [23:30:08] <jacekowski> event
  • [23:30:20] <jacekowski> there should be information that serial driver has picked it up
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  • [23:30:43] <jdcravens> should i be using usbdev1.1 ?
  • [23:31:14] <jacekowski> no
  • [23:32:06] <jacekowski> paste whole dmesg output
  • [23:32:09] <jdcravens> what would that log look like - I dont think its there.
  • [23:32:36] <jdcravens> [ 0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset [ 0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpu [ 0.000000] Linux version 3.2.5+ (koen@dominion) (gcc version 4.5.4 20111126 (prerelease) (GCC) ) #1 Mon Feb 13 19:22:44 CET 2012 [ 0.000000] CPU: ARMv7 Processor [413fc082] revision 2 (ARMv7), cr=50c53c7d [ 0.000000] CPU: PIPT / VIPT nonaliasing data cache, VIPT aliasing instruction cache [ 0.000000] Machine: am335xevm [ 0.
  • [23:32:59] <mru> nobody can read that
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  • [23:33:09] <mru> use a pastebin
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  • [23:34:31] <jdcravens> http://pastebin.com/9k6UMnHr
  • [23:34:47] <jacekowski> [ 619.762565] cdc_acm 1-1:1.0: ttyACM0: USB ACM device
  • [23:34:48] <jacekowski> there it is
  • [23:34:52] <jacekowski> use /dev/ttyACM0
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  • [23:36:10] <jdcravens> tried that - I get this http://pastebin.com/t6rxZe99
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  • [23:38:53] <mranostay> holy spam batman
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  • [23:57:56] <mranostay> hey koen!!!!!!!!!!