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  • [02:15:38] <edahling> I've reverted back to the card that came with the bone new, and it doesn't work either.
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  • [04:01:43] <johnny_jones> hi wow there is a great irc channel for this?
  • [04:02:55] <johnny_jones> anyone here? -_-
  • [04:03:56] <emeb_mac> nah - completely empty
  • [04:04:22] <emeb_mac> (most of the folks here are asleep now)
  • [04:05:11] <johnny_jones> oh noes :(
  • [04:05:19] <johnny_jones> i was hoping to get some advice or something
  • [04:05:30] <johnny_jones> on selecting a board... i like beagle but feel it might break the budget
  • [04:06:18] <thurbad> what do you plan to do with it?
  • [04:06:31] <johnny_jones> simple-intermediate computer vision
  • [04:06:40] <johnny_jones> autonomous robot car using image processing
  • [04:07:34] <johnny_jones> i have decent background in FPGAs
  • [04:08:11] <johnny_jones> but this level is a little new to me
  • [04:11:02] <johnny_jones> i would just get the beagleboard but someone convinced me on a sub 50-100 solution
  • [04:12:16] <johnny_jones> basically i would like something easy to build
  • [04:12:29] <johnny_jones> someone suggested to me an ARM based development board
  • [04:12:51] <johnny_jones> do all of these have OS?
  • [04:12:58] <johnny_jones> im thinking linux or android
  • [04:12:59] <thurbad> the beaglebone may work for you as well if you don't need graphics capablities
  • [04:13:15] <johnny_jones> graphics capabilities?
  • [04:14:15] <thurbad> the beagle boards have 3d gles on chip, as well as display ports
  • [04:14:29] <thurbad> the bone is more stripped down
  • [04:14:59] <johnny_jones> sorry what is a 3d gles?
  • [04:15:10] <johnny_jones> i would like to be able to probe the image signal
  • [04:15:13] <thurbad> embedded version of open gl
  • [04:15:19] <johnny_jones> this can be done through usb port?
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  • [04:15:53] <thurbad> yeah you need a webcam input, not sure if you want output as well
  • [04:16:03] <johnny_jones> i would like output yes
  • [04:16:10] <johnny_jones> at least during development
  • [04:16:31] <johnny_jones> also do I need openCL?
  • [04:17:23] <johnny_jones> so i see beaglebone has usb and ethernet ports one of each
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  • [08:01:06] <av500> ??i??
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  • [08:22:51] <dm8tbr> how's jim carrey doing?
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  • [08:42:25] <john_jones> hi
  • [08:42:28] <john_jones> anyone here?
  • [08:42:44] <john_jones> i would like to know a cheap solution please, to solve this problem: stream usb webcam over wifi
  • [08:43:17] <john_jones> on a mobile system
  • [08:44:39] <john_jones> hello? darn internet..
  • [08:44:50] <john_jones> just cut out
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  • [08:45:40] <john_jones> hi
  • [08:45:45] <john_jones> can i ask you somethin?
  • [08:45:55] <john_jones> shoragan?
  • [08:46:02] <shoragan> hi
  • [08:46:10] <john_jones> usb camera on my robot
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  • [08:46:25] <john_jones> wish to send signal through wifi, process it on a pc and send signal back
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  • [08:46:41] <john_jones> what is a cheap solution?
  • [08:46:42] <john_jones> any ideas?
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  • [08:47:37] <shoragan> which resolution, framerate?
  • [08:47:37] <ynezz> yes, use google
  • [08:47:49] <LetoThe2nd> buy a wifi camera.
  • [08:47:57] <john_jones> wifi camera are expensive around 80
  • [08:48:08] <ynezz> there's already such solution, RC car with webcam + BB
  • [08:48:11] <shoragan> you won't be able to build it for less
  • [08:48:15] <ynezz> even with the source code
  • [08:48:15] <john_jones> im not sure the resolution yet, i don't expect i would need more than 640x480
  • [08:48:27] <john_jones> i would not like much latency on the data transfer as i need to image process and reply also
  • [08:48:28] <LetoThe2nd> john_jones: and a beaglebone alsop is, so the beagle is certainly more expensive. so what do you expect from this channel?!?
  • [08:49:02] <ynezz> john_jones: 3seconds with google http://veter-project.blogspot.cz/2011/11/how-to-build-beagleboard-based-wifi.html
  • [08:49:08] <john_jones> also, i don't like the form of the wifi cameras i have looked at
  • [08:49:18] <john_jones> but, i guess mechanical workaround is possible...
  • [08:49:18] <LetoThe2nd> ynezz: BUT IT IS EXPENSIVE!!!
  • [08:49:25] <ynezz> it is?
  • [08:49:32] <LetoThe2nd> CERTAINLY!
  • [08:49:39] <john_jones> i like beagle, i may purchase... but 125 for this function seems overdoing it
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  • [08:49:51] <ynezz> what's expensive there? the beers consumed during development? :p
  • [08:50:01] <LetoThe2nd> john_jones: again, so what do you expect from us, the beagle duscussion channel?
  • [08:50:19] <john_jones> ok sorry
  • [08:50:20] <LetoThe2nd> john_jones: to make up for your unwilingness to spend money and/or lazyness?
  • [08:50:25] <john_jones> i have nowhere to turn lol
  • [08:50:39] <john_jones> i just thought i could use a 50 dollar chip or something
  • [08:50:44] <LetoThe2nd> john_jones: sorry bro, your problem. not ours. come back if you are willing to use a beagle.
  • [08:51:19] <john_jones> sheesh
  • [08:51:32] <ynezz> other than that, /join #rpi
  • [08:51:59] <LetoThe2nd> ynezz: was just about to say that. very good point.
  • [08:52:03] <ynezz> but it might be too cheap :p
  • [08:52:10] <john_jones> rpi?
  • [08:52:25] <ynezz> oh, you live in a cage?
  • [08:52:30] <john_jones> um
  • [08:52:46] <ynezz> every child on the block here knows what rpi is
  • [08:52:57] <john_jones> uh ok
  • [08:53:12] <LetoThe2nd> john_jones: yeah, its kind of a 50$ chip they put onto a 40$ pcb and sell for 30$ because its worth less then 20$ and i would not even take it if they give me 10$ together with it.
  • [08:53:13] <ynezz> the best, the cheapest, the rpi!
  • [08:53:50] <john_jones> ?
  • [08:53:57] <LetoThe2nd> ynezz: your turn to come up with a sentence that incorporates the numbers 0$ and -10$...
  • [08:54:02] <john_jones> i read a few times looking for sequential logic, detected none
  • [08:54:12] <LetoThe2nd> john_jones: just google "raspberry pi"
  • [08:54:24] <ynezz> http://www.8devices.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=110
  • [08:54:28] <john_jones> the only supplier is going for 60 with a starter kit
  • [08:54:32] <ynezz> this one is 22EUR
  • [08:54:38] <john_jones> im in canada
  • [08:54:47] <ynezz> but uses same stinking SoC
  • [08:54:56] <ynezz> s/same/similar/
  • [08:55:29] <john_jones> also
  • [08:55:31] <john_jones> can you help me
  • [08:55:33] <LetoThe2nd> problems after problems. too expensive, doesn't like mechanical factor, lives in canada... c'mon, it's ridiculous.
  • [08:55:36] <john_jones> what do you call beagle board
  • [08:55:40] <john_jones> what class does it belong to?
  • [08:55:47] <john_jones> microprocessor development boards?
  • [08:55:53] <LetoThe2nd> john_jones: beagleboard.org.
  • [08:56:22] <LetoThe2nd> john_jones: how comes you had the idea of asking around here if you do not even know what this cahnnel is about?
  • [08:56:41] <john_jones> uh just trying to get an understanding
  • [08:56:46] <john_jones> i have an idea of the functionality
  • [08:57:06] <john_jones> but i am trying to search a bare bones ARM cpu with a few ports similar to raspberry pi... what do you call these?
  • [08:57:25] <ynezz> dust collectors
  • [08:57:32] <john_jones> haha
  • [08:57:35] <LetoThe2nd> john_jones: probably in a dip case so you can hand solder them, right
  • [08:57:46] <john_jones> ?
  • [08:58:24] <LetoThe2nd> john_jones: well you asked for a cpu, not for a board. (and some minutes ago, for a 50$ chip)
  • [08:58:31] <john_jones> i just want to get a CPU on linux or android to possibly handle the USB to wifi?
  • [08:58:42] <john_jones> is that the cheapest way?
  • [08:58:57] <john_jones> isn't that what beagleboard is like?
  • [08:58:58] <LetoThe2nd> as you do not ask for a board, i have to guess that you want to solder up your board yourself. so you should certainly get something in dip, it's the easiest.
  • [08:59:11] <john_jones> yeah board
  • [08:59:16] <john_jones> just trying to say whats on it
  • [08:59:40] <LetoThe2nd> *facepalm*
  • [09:00:28] <ynezz> well, there're dedicated camera interfaces (beagle has one) so you don't even need to use that slow USB
  • [09:01:03] <john_jones> what is a dedicated camera interface?
  • [09:01:10] <john_jones> is that some sort of code?
  • [09:01:12] <LetoThe2nd> ynezz: are thos dedicated camera interfaces usb and come with freaky windows drivers so i can use my cheapo 5$ radio shack webcam?
  • [09:01:37] <john_jones> haha 5 dollars? whoa! maybe 15-20!
  • [09:02:54] <LetoThe2nd> john_jones: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=-1&IsNodeId=1&Description=webcam&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20
  • [09:04:07] <john_jones> lol i see your comment about the windows drivers
  • [09:04:10] <LetoThe2nd> <3 cheap
  • [09:04:26] <john_jones> is that portable to linux?
  • [09:04:38] <john_jones> or would you need intimate knowledge of the drivers to write that? and probably it doesnt exist
  • [09:04:41] <LetoThe2nd> buy one and find out.
  • [09:05:06] <john_jones> im almost certain nobody bothered to write it
  • [09:05:12] <john_jones> and to port it oneself
  • [09:05:16] <john_jones> how would you do that, do you know?
  • [09:05:23] <john_jones> basically hackin the hardware right?
  • [09:05:27] <LetoThe2nd> no.
  • [09:05:40] <av500> a wifi webcam is <$50 these days
  • [09:05:47] <john_jones> um
  • [09:05:54] <john_jones> everything i saw no
  • [09:05:58] <john_jones> i did see one over rfid
  • [09:06:03] <john_jones> but it has 10 feet range
  • [09:06:05] <LetoThe2nd> i think you should better go and buy something already finished and done, as you keep on constantly mixing up buzzwords you obviously do not have the slightest clue what they mean.
  • [09:06:20] <john_jones> actually i am trying to learn
  • [09:06:21] * LetoThe2nd is better off.
  • [09:06:25] <john_jones> if i am using words wrong please correct me
  • [09:09:26] <john_jones> hmm actually i am seeing a 50 dollar one on newegg
  • [09:09:28] <john_jones> this is possible
  • [09:09:38] <av500> anyway, its just money
  • [09:10:00] <av500> building something with a beagle and a webcam and whatnot will cost you much more in time
  • [09:10:09] <av500> either you are in it for the fun or not
  • [09:11:10] <john_jones> yeah it's fun but its also for a school project
  • [09:11:18] <john_jones> and im low on cash these days
  • [09:11:45] <john_jones> i just dont want to have to bother with extra stuff if i dont need it
  • [09:12:03] <john_jones> but i realize i will need a communication protocol to the robot from my pc
  • [09:12:04] <av500> http://www.reichelt.de/IP-LAN-W-LAN-Kameras/EDI-IC3015WN/3//index.html?ACTION=3&GROUPID=4013&ARTICLE=116894
  • [09:12:10] <av500> this is ???45 here in germany
  • [09:12:12] <john_jones> if i go with the wifi camera
  • [09:12:25] <av500> should be <$50
  • [09:12:35] <john_jones> any ideas on that? can i send something to an arduino pic or will i have to buy a 45 dollar shield?
  • [09:12:57] <av500> it all depends
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  • [09:13:11] <av500> on the scope of your project
  • [09:13:35] <av500> thats the research part :)
  • [09:14:08] <john_jones> project supposed to get a robot to drive itself
  • [09:14:12] <john_jones> and possibly implement gps
  • [09:14:24] <john_jones> lane detection, stop signs, traffic lights
  • [09:14:30] <john_jones> on a custom track
  • [09:14:44] <av500> ah, just that
  • [09:14:50] <john_jones> yeah just that ;)
  • [09:14:56] <av500> hint: put a netbook on wheels
  • [09:15:09] <av500> it has webcam and wifi already
  • [09:15:10] <john_jones> yeah but how much is that?
  • [09:15:15] <john_jones> 300?
  • [09:15:15] <av500> how much?
  • [09:15:23] <av500> get a used one for $100
  • [09:15:27] <av500> has battery too
  • [09:15:31] <john_jones> hmm
  • [09:15:46] <john_jones> it's not ideal for me
  • [09:15:55] <av500> solves all your tech issues and you can concentrate on the SW
  • [09:16:11] <john_jones> hmm
  • [09:16:13] <av500> it is ideal, for a starter
  • [09:16:18] <john_jones> would you choose that over a beagle solution?
  • [09:16:27] <av500> not me, but I am not you
  • [09:16:42] <av500> a beagle + webcam + wifi + battery is more than $100
  • [09:16:47] <john_jones> and how much harder on a beagle?
  • [09:16:58] <av500> 42
  • [09:17:04] <john_jones> times?
  • [09:17:07] <av500> :)
  • [09:17:10] <john_jones> :D
  • [09:17:10] <av500> no idea
  • [09:17:17] <av500> I dont know your skills
  • [09:17:20] <av500> I just guess
  • [09:17:35] <av500> how long is the project?
  • [09:17:35] <john_jones> i have done a mini jpeg decoder on fpga for a course
  • [09:17:38] <av500> are you alone?
  • [09:17:44] <john_jones> this project is due end of march i suspect
  • [09:17:50] <john_jones> but milestones along the way
  • [09:17:55] <john_jones> group of 4
  • [09:17:59] <av500> ah
  • [09:18:05] <john_jones> so me and 3 others, 1 is probably good
  • [09:18:17] <john_jones> dunno bout the other 2
  • [09:18:18] <av500> just find out who the one is :)
  • [09:18:38] <john_jones> well i dunno but he seemed interested in some programming in matlab earlier
  • [09:18:45] <john_jones> though that doesn't say much :D
  • [09:19:50] <john_jones> i will propose the netbook idea
  • [09:20:00] <john_jones> the wifi solution was a recent though also
  • [09:20:23] <john_jones> initially i thought on-board computing was the only option, and i didn't want to default/cop out to a netbook too soon
  • [09:20:40] <john_jones> thought*
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  • [09:21:12] <john_jones> av500
  • [09:21:16] <john_jones> isn't a netbook copping out?
  • [09:21:17] <av500> sec
  • [09:21:19] <av500> in a conf call
  • [09:26:07] <_sundar_> moreover, the software for the netbook can be ported to a beagle setup later
  • [09:26:12] <john_jones> also i don't wanna be like... hey guys here's the parts list: 1x awesome deal on a netbook
  • [09:26:17] <john_jones> 1x ...
  • [09:26:20] <john_jones> etc
  • [09:26:40] <john_jones> i dont mind developing on a pc and porting to an embedded application later
  • [09:26:58] <john_jones> i will probably have to use openCV anyways as matlab i dunno... if this can interface to an open wifi stream
  • [09:27:01] <john_jones> i have no idea on that
  • [09:27:11] <_sundar_> the netbook solution will get you started in no time
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  • [09:27:20] <john_jones> so will the wifi camera?
  • [09:27:50] <john_jones> seems cheaper
  • [09:28:14] <john_jones> well minus the time to setup the real time stream
  • [09:28:22] <john_jones> which is probably a pain in C, dunno
  • [09:28:50] <john_jones> if that means anything or makes any sense
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  • [09:29:15] <_sundar_> do you plan to do all the openCV part in a PC with the video stream from the bot?
  • [09:29:18] <john_jones> im just clutching at straws at this point
  • [09:29:26] <john_jones> yeah thats the idea
  • [09:29:57] <john_jones> but there's also the option of putting all the processing on board
  • [09:30:02] <_sundar_> then you start the detection part first with a normal webcam
  • [09:30:17] <_sundar_> and then move on to the wifi-cam part later
  • [09:30:22] <john_jones> good idea
  • [09:30:30] <john_jones> i have to use a cable though right?
  • [09:30:35] <john_jones> hehe
  • [09:30:43] <_sundar_> yes of course
  • [09:30:44] <john_jones> dumb question
  • [09:31:01] <john_jones> ok so this way i can start looking at the data
  • [09:31:06] <_sundar_> this will give you more confidence once you get the detection part working
  • [09:31:31] <john_jones> openCV is the best bet?
  • [09:31:46] <_sundar_> in my opinion, yes
  • [09:31:49] <john_jones> or is matlab an option? any idea
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  • [09:32:12] <john_jones> i haven't looked too deep into openCV yet
  • [09:32:22] <_sundar_> i'm not a matlab guy but for simulation project i would choose matlab over the others
  • [09:32:39] <john_jones> simulation project?
  • [09:32:44] <_sundar_> sooner or later you have to learn openCV
  • [09:33:13] <john_jones> ok, so if i am getting you then no matlab here... leave it for simulations, this is not a simulation right?
  • [09:34:02] <_sundar_> mostly people use matlab to make a proof of concept in a simulation environment
  • [09:34:48] <john_jones> good, thank you
  • [09:35:03] <_sundar_> simulation includes only object detection of course
  • [09:35:17] <john_jones> also, any comment on sending signal to robot wirelessly?
  • [09:35:46] <_sundar_> it depends on what hardware you choose for the robot
  • [09:35:48] <john_jones> we have two arduino unos
  • [09:36:15] <john_jones> looking back, seems like pretty expensive for their power but they are already bought heh..
  • [09:36:17] <_sundar_> and what would be the distance between the pc and the robot?
  • [09:37:01] <john_jones> hmm
  • [09:37:14] <john_jones> not sure, at minimum it should hold for around 2-3 metres
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  • [09:37:24] <john_jones> but if we want to test it's limits, more i guess
  • [09:37:38] <john_jones> i don't know exactly how we plan to demo the final
  • [09:38:09] <john_jones> well
  • [09:38:14] <john_jones> i don't know what limits we can really test
  • [09:38:52] <john_jones> are there a few solutions you had in mind?
  • [09:39:20] <john_jones> i shall confess i didn't look into this issue yet
  • [09:39:30] <john_jones> and i am too lazy to google it now
  • [09:40:09] <john_jones> is there some frequency i can transmit on?
  • [09:40:17] <john_jones> and connect a 5-10 dollar thing to the uno?
  • [09:40:34] <john_jones> um, nevermind actually lol
  • [09:41:53] <john_jones> but your thoughts are welcomed
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  • [09:52:30] <_sundar_> well you could always check out on the accessories available for the uno and use the one that suits your needs
  • [09:57:20] <john_jones> i will try to ask the arduino community about sending some interrupts wirelessly
  • [09:57:39] <john_jones> do you know if there is an irc channel?
  • [09:57:55] <john_jones> here $arduino seems to have a bunch of peeps
  • [09:57:58] <john_jones> #arduino
  • [09:59:27] <_sundar_> join and ask for yourself
  • [10:01:32] <av500> john_jones: judging from what you wrote so far, go for the netbook solution
  • [10:01:51] <john_jones> really? but why?
  • [10:02:01] <john_jones> i can start developing right now with a laptop and usb webcam
  • [10:02:05] <av500> good
  • [10:02:09] <av500> do that
  • [10:02:13] <john_jones> really?
  • [10:02:39] <av500> use the arduinos to do robot motor control
  • [10:02:41] <john_jones> i want to hear you out
  • [10:02:45] <av500> talking to the laptop
  • [10:03:00] <av500> then use the latptop and opencv to do your vision stuff
  • [10:03:14] <av500> use the laptop and wifi and a pc to develop your wifi link
  • [10:03:39] <av500> then if you are really fast, swap the laptop for a beaglebone with webcam and wifi
  • [10:03:55] <av500> and weep that your vision stuff is now suddenly super slow
  • [10:04:16] <john_jones> you lost me lol
  • [10:04:22] <john_jones> if you are really fast ... ?
  • [10:04:45] <av500> sorry, but I cannot do hand holding here
  • [10:05:26] <_sundar_> john_jones, the project of yours is not as simple as assembling things together and load some ready-to-use software
  • [10:05:50] <john_jones> please explain
  • [10:06:17] <_sundar_> if someone has to explain it for you then it is better to choose some easier and simpler project
  • [10:06:17] <john_jones> av500 u saying if i swap to on board processing that it will be slow?
  • [10:06:22] <john_jones> but i don't imagine it ports fast
  • [10:06:31] <_sundar_> ports?
  • [10:06:45] <john_jones> sorry
  • [10:06:49] <john_jones> beagle runs C?
  • [10:06:51] <john_jones> right
  • [10:07:11] <john_jones> ok
  • [10:07:15] <john_jones> i know very little
  • [10:07:16] <_sundar_> it doesn't run C. It runs on an OS that is written in C
  • [10:07:22] <john_jones> yes
  • [10:07:23] <_sundar_> and assembly
  • [10:07:36] <john_jones> sorry i meant like is it easy to transfer code i write on my pc to the beagleboard
  • [10:07:41] <john_jones> that is what i meant by 'ports fast'
  • [10:07:52] <_sundar_> not easy as you might think
  • [10:08:13] <john_jones> register transfer level?
  • [10:08:48] <john_jones> i can do that if so :)
  • [10:08:57] <_sundar_> ok. answer few questions.
  • [10:09:02] <john_jones> please
  • [10:09:05] <_sundar_> do you know programming in C?
  • [10:09:06] <john_jones> ask
  • [10:09:08] <john_jones> yes
  • [10:09:10] <john_jones> somewhat
  • [10:09:18] <john_jones> um basics
  • [10:09:32] <_sundar_> what is your level out of 10?
  • [10:09:38] <john_jones> uhhh
  • [10:09:44] <john_jones> that is so hard to rate
  • [10:09:49] <john_jones> what is a 10 for you?
  • [10:09:57] <_sundar_> doesn't matter
  • [10:10:06] <_sundar_> i am not going to do the project
  • [10:10:19] <john_jones> um
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  • [10:11:06] <john_jones> so earlier, you were referring to the project not being as simple as i think
  • [10:11:16] <john_jones> where should the time be spent?
  • [10:11:21] <_sundar_> yes and even now
  • [10:11:24] <john_jones> how much time devoted to algorithm development in software?
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  • [10:11:46] <john_jones> for the image understanding
  • [10:11:49] <_sundar_> learning a lot about hardware and software. programming especially
  • [10:12:13] <john_jones> any languages or hardware in particular?
  • [10:12:34] <john_jones> i have worked with fpgas
  • [10:12:41] <john_jones> and done programming in C, java, matlab
  • [10:12:47] <john_jones> um, some perl string processing basics
  • [10:12:53] <john_jones> a little bit of linux basics
  • [10:13:58] <john_jones> maybe i can focus on the openCV and C programming
  • [10:14:08] <john_jones> and give the rest to my group members?
  • [10:14:10] <_sundar_> yes you better do that
  • [10:14:30] <_sundar_> yes to the ones who knows things better
  • [10:14:40] <john_jones> what specifically
  • [10:15:00] <john_jones> how to get the wireless signals taken care of
  • [10:15:24] <john_jones> i think one guy is doing the motor control part already
  • [10:15:35] <john_jones> one guy is designing the track on A4 paper
  • [10:15:59] <_sundar_> track>
  • [10:16:05] <_sundar_> *track?*
  • [10:16:37] <john_jones> uh, something to get it working on 'clean' images?
  • [10:16:39] <koen> mru: is your laptop a sony or a samsung one?
  • [10:17:06] <john_jones> also the car may be limited to pre-designed tracks
  • [10:17:21] <john_jones> but probably with a navigation system at some point
  • [10:17:25] <john_jones> either modeling or implementing GPS
  • [10:19:14] <_sundar_> you have good imagination but you need to have solid understanding on the things that talk about
  • [10:19:28] <john_jones> also the driving algorithm is probably a bunch of work
  • [10:19:31] <janne> koen: sony
  • [10:19:32] <john_jones> lol thanks
  • [10:19:45] <john_jones> the project has changed a lot lately as i have started to research into it
  • [10:19:56] <john_jones> i haven't fully studied the technologies yet
  • [10:20:17] <john_jones> more trying to select the best framework to work in
  • [10:20:22] <_sundar_> then study one and try to implement that
  • [10:20:46] <john_jones> :)
  • [10:21:09] <john_jones> thanks for your help again
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  • [11:21:29] <panto> hey
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  • [12:05:46] <KotH> good morning boys!
  • [12:06:05] * panto looks around for any girls
  • [12:06:13] <panto> yep, that's about right :/
  • [12:06:21] <mru> koen: sony
  • [12:06:33] <KotH> panto: they are running over there ---->
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  • [12:41:39] <av500> KotH: how do you know what is in me next tab to the right?
  • [12:42:02] * KotH knows everything
  • [12:42:24] <KotH> and since you sold my email adress i took the liberty to have a look around your computer :)
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  • [13:00:42] * mdp notes that #linux-omap has amusing questions from time to time
  • [13:01:11] <mdp> "Ans pls..."
  • [13:01:21] <Jacmet> mdp: ;)
  • [13:02:37] <av500> mdp: y u no ans?
  • [13:02:39] <KotH> mdp: 42
  • [13:02:43] <mru> 54
  • [13:02:59] <mdp> definitely 54..don't want to reveal the ultimate answer
  • [13:03:15] <KotH> 23 then
  • [13:03:55] <mdp> av500, oh, and, um, you can take the rest of the day off now ;)
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  • [13:05:39] <KotH> mdp: still tracking av500's productivity? :)
  • [13:06:02] <mdp> I just don't want him to waste effort trying to be productive at this point
  • [13:06:09] <mdp> I *care*
  • [13:06:24] * av500 is touched
  • [13:06:35] <av500> manhug?
  • [13:06:46] <mdp> it could be the start of a beautiful bromance
  • [13:07:16] <av500> wanna come and see my non-work?
  • [13:07:27] <mdp> heh
  • [13:07:37] <mdp> non-work always takes priority
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  • [13:11:10] <KotH> nah.. chocolate takes priority
  • [13:14:16] <panto> hi mdp
  • [13:14:25] <mdp> hello panto
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  • [13:14:44] <mdp> panto, how goes monkey-land?
  • [13:15:00] <av500> mdp: they had to sell the monkeys
  • [13:15:00] <mru> is he working on boot loaders?
  • [13:15:25] <mdp> he won't admit it publicly...
  • [13:15:25] <av500> boat loaders
  • [13:15:50] * panto hoots like a monkey
  • [13:16:08] <mru> ah, hoot loaders
  • [13:17:28] <av500> hoot'r'us
  • [13:17:44] <mru> I see what you did there
  • [13:17:56] <mdp> word association time?
  • [13:17:59] <mdp> orange!
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  • [13:18:20] * av500 shoots mdp
  • [13:18:22] <thurbad> pineapple?
  • [13:18:26] <av500> oops, wrong game
  • [13:18:41] <av500> I thought it was that elf defence thing
  • [13:18:44] <av500> lol
  • [13:18:46] <av500> self*
  • [13:19:06] <mdp> "warrior needs food badly"
  • [13:19:41] <av500> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w
  • [13:20:10] <KotH> mdp: good hunting!
  • [13:20:13] <KotH> ;)
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  • [13:22:13] <mdp> heh, I need to find those sound samples on the interwebs for my lunch reminder
  • [13:22:44] <mdp> somebody must have extracted it from the Gauntlet rom by now
  • [13:23:59] <mdp> http://www.basementarcade.com/arcade/guant/needsfood.wav
  • [13:24:08] <mdp> interwebs++
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  • [13:27:40] <mdp> nice..unsolicited use of "bitbanging" by somebody on a concall
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  • [13:33:16] <av500> mdp: I had a good laugh this morning when going through my rss feed :)
  • [13:34:06] <mdp> that DMX design?
  • [13:34:29] <av500> yep
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  • [13:34:53] <mdp> it looks like it was done at the pub too, best place for creation
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  • [13:35:04] <av500> mdp: just seeing bitbang mentioned in all that arty stuff :)
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  • [13:35:48] <mdp> hehe
  • [13:35:59] * av500 just got a review copy of Embedded Android
  • [13:36:05] <av500> like I can read or what?
  • [13:36:10] <mdp> karim's book?
  • [13:36:16] <av500> yo
  • [13:38:13] <axMountain> av500: the error with INFO: task wpa_supplicant has blocked, did this start after the latest image release?
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  • [13:38:23] <av500> ??
  • [13:38:26] <av500> how would I know?
  • [13:38:49] <axMountain> you got the same error, if I got you right yesterday
  • [13:38:59] <ynezz> I saw that crystal ball purchase on eBay!
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  • [13:40:21] <ynezz> av500: is that book worth the money?
  • [13:40:43] <mru> most books about computing topics are out of date before they leave the printer
  • [13:41:13] <ynezz> but this one isn't even finished
  • [13:41:15] <ynezz> :)
  • [13:41:28] <ynezz> (but I do get your point)
  • [13:42:25] <mdp> books are the only thing more out of date than wikis/blogs
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  • [13:43:43] <av500> axMountain: no, you misread
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  • [13:43:58] <bradfa> exact yocto xM exact steps on ml!
  • [13:44:15] <av500> ynezz: no idea, did not read it yet
  • [13:44:24] <av500> also, I have previous knowledge :)
  • [13:44:25] <ynezz> axMountain: actually it was INFO: task wpa_supplicant is shocked
  • [13:44:49] <av500> somebody who knows nothing about android like koen should read it
  • [13:44:52] <axMountain> ynezz: whats the difference?
  • [13:45:18] <ynezz> 1 byte?
  • [13:46:03] <axMountain> haha
  • [13:47:45] <axMountain> does anyone of you cheer people have a recipe on getting wifi on Beaglebone ?
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  • [13:47:54] <av500> ynezz: actually, only 3 bit
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  • [14:00:03] <tuxx_> hey guys
  • [14:00:09] <tuxx_> i'm trying to emulate a beagleboard in qemu
  • [14:00:27] <tuxx_> but my qemu-system-arm doesnt seem to know the "-M beagle" flags
  • [14:00:38] <tuxx_> it keeps dumping a list of supported machines, where beagle board is not listed
  • [14:13:02] <dm8tbr> axMountain: it will depend on the chipset and on which distro you run...
  • [14:14:15] <axMountain> dm8tbr: i have the rtl8192cu chipset and can run what ever distro suggested :)
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  • [14:28:52] <av500> python all the things: http://travisgoodspeed.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/emulating-usb-devices-with-python.html
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  • [14:36:26] <Ahmed_> Hi All :)
  • [14:36:32] <Ahmed_> I hope there someone alive :D
  • [14:36:47] <mdp> only zombies here today
  • [14:36:50] <Ahmed_> I mistakley ordered beaglbon yesterday, I thought it has a vga output so that I see linux on screen :(
  • [14:37:04] <mdp> you can bitbang vga with the PRU
  • [14:37:16] <Ahmed_> can I install opencv, qt on beaglebone and see it on screen ?
  • [14:37:25] <Ahmed_> without buying a vga cape ?
  • [14:37:25] <mdp> http://www.inf.ufsc.br/~alebm/pruvga/
  • [14:37:55] <emeb_mac> Those PRUs - is there nothing that they can't do?
  • [14:38:13] <mdp> emeb_mac: sounds like you have the right idea
  • [14:38:22] <Jacmet> mdp: ;)
  • [14:38:27] <Ahmed_> sorry what is pru ?
  • [14:38:41] <av500> Ahmed_: the bone has no VGA output
  • [14:39:33] <Ahmed_> av500: I figured out this ;(
  • [14:39:46] <Ahmed_> I thought it has it
  • [14:39:57] <av500> well, it is not advertised as having it
  • [14:39:59] <thurbad> do you strictly mean vga or will any display output do?
  • [14:40:01] <Ahmed_> so I can't install QT, Opencv ?
  • [14:40:11] <av500> sure you can
  • [14:40:14] <Ahmed_> thurbad: I just need to see Qt, OpenCV
  • [14:40:31] <Ahmed_> av500: where can I see the software I developed on beaglebone ?
  • [14:40:38] <av500> ls -l?
  • [14:40:47] <Ahmed_> I mean the gui,..etc
  • [14:40:52] <thurbad> there are dvi capes available
  • [14:41:04] <Ahmed_> they are very expensive
  • [14:41:13] <Ahmed_> I would better to buy beagleboard instead :/
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  • [14:41:20] <thurbad> ah... can't outengineer that :P
  • [14:41:29] <av500> one buys what fits one's needs
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  • [14:42:51] <emeb_mac> someone should design/sell a PRU vga cape.
  • [14:43:17] <mdp> "It would be great if someone would design/sell a PRU vga cape"
  • [14:44:24] <KotH> mdp: gimme a lot of time, and i'll do it :)
  • [14:44:26] <mdp> emeb_mac, but that guy's production-quality r2r dac soldering on the am180x implementation really shows how easy it is to do at home
  • [14:44:51] <emeb_mac> mdp: it's an advanced 3-D process.
  • [14:45:22] <mdp> I like how it all sits on top of some bubble wrap in the photos
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  • [14:46:39] <KotH> mdp: what was the last time you helped a non-av500-level customer with one of his projects? :)
  • [14:46:42] <mdp> and the adhesive to prevent shorts..looks like something I would create
  • [14:47:02] <KotH> mdp: compared to what i regularly see, that 3D style packaging is highly professional
  • [14:47:12] <mdp> uh oh
  • [14:47:13] <av500> kapton tape ftw
  • [14:47:20] <panto> ?
  • [14:47:30] <mdp> first off, it's debatable if I've ever "helped" a customer ;)
  • [14:47:44] <panto> sent them off in a way that wasn't totally insulting?
  • [14:48:30] <KotH> mdp: i think you helped me once in barcelona
  • [14:48:40] <mdp> unpossible
  • [14:48:40] <KotH> mdp: and as i'm a customer of your company... ;)
  • [14:49:01] <KotH> mdp: iirc you hold my glass or so
  • [14:49:08] <KotH> held*
  • [14:49:32] <arcanescu> im using a hauppage capture car which gives out a mpeg2 ps stream after a while say 30 mins or so i get this from the card: http://pastebin.com/u3MGRDYg
  • [14:49:41] <arcanescu> any ideas to what might be causing this?
  • [14:49:54] <koen> I feel dirty tweaking CONFIG_HZ values
  • [14:49:57] <av500> the card is bored watching TV that long
  • [14:50:16] * koen looks around for a 12 year old script kiddie for hire to do the work instead
  • [14:50:29] <av500> koen: put 1000
  • [14:50:31] <av500> works for ne
  • [14:50:33] <av500> me
  • [14:50:37] <av500> ni!
  • [14:50:42] <koen> well
  • [14:50:44] <arcanescu> av500: ty you have yet again impressed me
  • [14:50:47] <koen> the problem is the 32k time
  • [14:51:06] <koen> so 1000 would break, since it doesn't fit into a nice divisor
  • [14:51:15] <av500> arcanescu: its inside a memcpy, memcpy is evil in itself :)
  • [14:51:26] <koen> ph0rums suggest that 512 is a nice compromise when using the 32k omap timer
  • [14:51:27] <arcanescu> av500: driveR?
  • [14:51:40] * koen feels dirty for having read ph0rums
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  • [14:52:16] <mru> wash your hands now!
  • [14:52:17] <arcanescu> av500: im not doing a memcpy because my command is : cat /dev/video0 | /dev/null
  • [14:53:12] <av500> arcanescu: you are not, but the driver is
  • [14:53:13] <koen> that's it, time for a shower
  • [14:54:00] <av500> arcanescu: btw, doing that uses the read/write API of v4l2
  • [14:54:03] <arcanescu> av500: had a hunch might be the driver... is it cuz im running out of memory or /its leaking?
  • [14:54:08] <av500> which you would normally not use at all
  • [14:54:09] <prpplague> ho ho hum
  • [14:54:12] <av500> so your test is useless
  • [14:54:22] <arcanescu> av500: what would you propose instead?
  • [14:54:24] * prpplague grumbles about another day at the funeral parlor....
  • [14:54:28] <av500> normally usage of v4l2 is mmapped buffers and ioctly
  • [14:54:30] <av500> iotls
  • [14:54:39] <av500> see v4l2 api examples
  • [14:55:09] <arcanescu> so you are saying i dont need mmaped buffers?
  • [14:55:22] <av500> no
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  • [14:55:31] <av500> im saying, that cat foo does not do that
  • [14:55:40] <av500> cat foo uses read()
  • [14:55:54] <arcanescu> and i dont need read... rather mmap
  • [14:56:00] <av500> yes
  • [14:56:04] <av500> see v4l2 api examples
  • [14:56:24] <mru> there, full circle
  • [14:56:30] <arcanescu> av500: thanks
  • [14:57:52] <av500> https://gist.github.com/1253534
  • [14:59:35] <KotH> prpplague: funeral parlor?
  • [14:59:37] <emeb_mac> normally don't do cat foo...
  • [15:01:26] <KotH> meh! i've to do bitbanging because the msp430 doesnt have enough hw spi ports
  • [15:02:12] <mdp> KotH: that's generally my best value..I can hold a glass
  • [15:02:42] <KotH> mdp: i realized that
  • [15:02:49] <av500> mdp: half full or half empty?
  • [15:02:51] <KotH> mdp: but the point is: you helped a customer!
  • [15:03:12] * mdp starts to feel better about his lack of l33t skillz
  • [15:05:31] <av500> mdp: pru has 8k mem, right?
  • [15:05:54] <prpplague> KotH: omap offices
  • [15:06:19] <KotH> prpplague: my condoleces
  • [15:06:22] <KotH> ;)
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  • [15:07:45] <mdp> av500, 8k data sram for each pru core, then 12k shared data sram as well
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  • [15:08:02] <mdp> av500, iram is separate from that
  • [15:09:23] * mdp holds a flight to visit the funeral parlor
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  • [15:29:45] <prpplague> amazing some of the comments on /. articles
  • [15:30:10] <av500> prpplague: you live under a rock?
  • [15:30:42] <prpplague> av500: hehe, i know i know, just reading some of the comments about the harwell computer posts
  • [15:34:25] <prpplague> av500: its like one person say the sky is a colour blue, and another says the color is light blue, and so they argue about the spelling of color/colour and if it is normal or light blue, when in fact they are basically agreeing that the sky is blue
  • [15:34:43] <av500> the colour of the sky is teal
  • [15:34:51] * prpplague notes a troll
  • [15:35:22] <mru> what colour is the troll?
  • [15:35:38] <prpplague> trolls are colored green
  • [15:35:58] <mdp> prpplague: any suggestion of harwell in a beowulf cluster yet?
  • [15:36:09] <prpplague> mdp: hehe
  • [15:36:14] * av500 pours hot grits down mdp's pants
  • [15:36:15] <prpplague> mdp: none that i see
  • [15:36:33] <mru> witches come in threes, no?
  • [15:36:34] <prpplague> mdp: nor any requests to connect a raspberrypi or z80
  • [15:36:49] <mdp> boring
  • [15:37:07] <av500> prpplague: but, was it openly developed?
  • [15:37:32] <panto> av500, s/openly/ethically/g
  • [15:37:56] <av500> and ... does it run systemd?
  • [15:38:49] <mdp> what is the license?
  • [15:38:56] <prpplague> av500: systemd loaded via paper tape
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  • [15:56:01] <KotH> good bye boys...
  • [15:56:05] <KotH> happy trolling!
  • [15:56:24] * mdp naps unders his troll bridge
  • [15:57:03] <edahling> Does anyone know why my ethernet on my bone would just stop working?
  • [15:57:24] <edahling> After a reboot it no longer connects, no lights, and it says PHY 0:00 not found.
  • [15:57:36] <edahling> I've tried doing 'ip link set dev eth0 up'
  • [15:57:39] <edahling> But that doesn't work.
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  • [15:59:47] <prpplague> ho ho hum
  • [15:59:59] * prpplague tries to decide on a submission for ELC-2013
  • [16:01:05] <edahling> Perhaps a suggestion?
  • [16:01:30] <edahling> I've tried rebooting with the stock image, as well as my custom image.
  • [16:01:43] <edahling> The board is rev A6
  • [16:01:56] <edahling> I've been googling, but none of the fixes work.
  • [16:02:07] <mdp> prpplague: energia?
  • [16:02:24] <prpplague> mdp: ugh, no
  • [16:02:31] <prpplague> mdp: i'd get laughed off the stage
  • [16:02:35] * mdp hides
  • [16:02:39] <mdp> really?
  • [16:04:00] <Crofton|work> Present "The Exact Steps to do ....."
  • [16:04:07] <prpplague> mdp: well at min av500 and mru would troll me mercilessly
  • [16:05:23] <dm8tbr> how about a meta presentation? "The exact steps to trolling at ELC(E)"
  • [16:05:37] <mdp> prpplague, in linz I detailed how to do a binary-only gpu driver port from an rtos to linux userspace avoiding any kernel binary driver grey-area....I was heckled mercilessly by hch. it was fun ;)
  • [16:05:49] <mdp> prpplague: you should try it
  • [16:05:59] <prpplague> mdp: hehe
  • [16:09:10] <av500> yes, more user space talks
  • [16:09:17] <av500> all this kernel stuffz makes me dizzy
  • [16:09:22] <edahling> I've also tried disabling power-down mode using this patch https://github.com/pironex/pia-linux-kernel/commit/bd65d378c5b152ea4bde127f9d3684b0c5c0737c
  • [16:10:18] <mdp> prpplague: a public reading of the embedded android review copy?
  • [16:10:36] <av500> I can do that
  • [16:11:12] <mdp> "In the beginning, Google created/acquired Android and it became GoogleGood"
  • [16:11:41] <mdp> "On the second day, Google made Android a Beta product and stopped."
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  • [16:12:47] <mru> "and there was shutdown, and there was bootup -- the third day"
  • [16:13:20] <av500> after 6 boots, good had enough and reinstalled windows
  • [16:13:22] <av500> god*
  • [16:13:44] <mdp> s/god/google/
  • [16:13:57] <mru> goog
  • [16:14:07] <mdp> "The Google"
  • [16:14:16] <av500> we live in the world we live in because of unix fragmentation back then!
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  • [16:20:29] <alan_o> prpplague: woot!
  • [16:20:50] * mdp is awakened by alan_o
  • [16:22:28] <alan_o> prpplague: I don't check slashdot regularly, and I almost never notice submitter names, but was in the doctor's office on the phone, and for whatever reason it jumped out at me (well, it was also starred for some reason).
  • [16:22:38] <alan_o> mdp: late night?
  • [16:24:19] * mru hasn't actively read slashdot for over 10 years
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  • [16:29:15] <koen> alan_o: econotag and mjf order posted to purchasing dept :)
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  • [16:30:22] * av500 ordered some xbees today
  • [16:31:26] <alan_o> koen, av500, woot!
  • [16:31:46] <av500> alan_o: I have to admit, mostly for use as remote uarts
  • [16:31:55] <koen> alan_o: and I import the 6lowpan patchset into the 3.7 kernel
  • [16:32:05] <koen> alan_o: not the dt and board hacks, though
  • [16:32:08] <alan_o> koen: hey, nice :)
  • [16:32:26] <alan_o> yeah, I'll try to get some better DT going.
  • [16:32:27] <panto> alan_o, I'd love to have a cape of yours to play with btw
  • [16:33:05] <alan_o> panto: I'm working on it... met with my hardware friend last night about it. Hopefully we get something going soon.
  • [16:33:12] <prpplague> alan_o: hehe
  • [16:33:12] <koen> panto: I'll solder one up with the mjf breakout if you want to
  • [16:33:22] <prpplague> alan_o: i don;t do /. that much either
  • [16:33:22] <koen> (once I get the parts)
  • [16:33:26] <panto> koen, yeah, that would be great actually
  • [16:33:33] <prpplague> alan_o: but i really wanted to get the harwell story out there
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  • [16:33:57] <alan_o> prpplague: yeah, good stuff.
  • [16:34:38] <yasinsheikh> does anyone know the best way to get started with a beaglebone?
  • [16:34:49] <mdp> alan_o, boring day
  • [16:34:49] <alan_o> yasinsheikh: look at the getting started page on the website
  • [16:34:50] <yasinsheikh> using windows
  • [16:34:58] <alan_o> yasinsheikh: google for "beagle bone getting started"
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  • [16:35:09] <av500> windows has google too I think
  • [16:35:10] <alan_o> yasinsheikh: it has good info for windows too
  • [16:35:44] <yasinsheikh> I mean i have done the basics like getting it powered up and loaded the cloud 9 ide
  • [16:35:53] <alan_o> yasinsheikh: yes.
  • [16:35:58] <alan_o> yasinsheikh: that.
  • [16:36:10] <alan_o> yasinsheikh: ok, so what do you want then?
  • [16:36:30] <yasinsheikh> however i want to start looking into how to connect a webcam via usb and store the pictures to sd
  • [16:36:42] <alan_o> yasinsheikh: you want exact steps?
  • [16:37:14] <yasinsheikh> well if you know how to do it that would help, however i would like to understand what i am doing as well
  • [16:37:16] <alan_o> yasinsheikh: you might want to do some googling then. There are several projects that do this kind of thing.
  • [16:37:33] <alan_o> yasinsheikh: if you want a security type system, google for "linux motion camera"
  • [16:37:49] <yasinsheikh> i have been looking for a while, so far i have come across using fswebcam
  • [16:38:07] <alan_o> yasinsheikh: ok, does it meet your needs?
  • [16:38:35] <alan_o> yasinsheikh: also, OpenCV might be something to experiment with (since you haven't said what it is you really want to do )
  • [16:38:47] <yasinsheikh> ill give you a little background as to what i need to do maybe it will help you understand my project
  • [16:39:08] <alan_o> yasinsheikh: If all you want to do is snap and store pictures, google for "video for linux tools"
  • [16:39:18] <Jacmet> so what was the story with the ftdi eeprom change on bbone in rev a5+ - Is it now going to stay like this?
  • [16:39:19] <alan_o> there's a screencap tool. Don't remember what it's called.
  • [16:39:19] <yasinsheikh> okay will look into that
  • [16:39:44] <yasinsheikh> thanks alot
  • [16:39:51] <alan_o> no problem
  • [16:39:53] <yasinsheikh> maybe back sooner than you think ;)
  • [16:40:04] <alan_o> yasinsheikh: also no problem
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  • [16:40:19] <alan_o> yasinsheikh: thank you for using the #beagle help desk. Please rate your experience....
  • [16:40:34] <yasinsheikh> here?
  • [16:40:36] <alan_o> 1. full of trolls
  • [16:40:41] <alan_o> 2. full of trolls
  • [16:40:43] <alan_o> 3 full of trolls
  • [16:40:46] <alan_o> 4. full of trolls
  • [16:40:47] <yasinsheikh> LOL
  • [16:40:50] <alan_o> 5. full of trolls
  • [16:40:54] <mru> 6. all of the above
  • [16:41:00] <yasinsheikh> 6
  • [16:41:51] * mdp updates the big board
  • [16:42:20] <mru> you have a trolling scoreboard?
  • [16:42:45] * mdp sends a congratulatory top-posting email train around the corporation..looking to hit 500+ replies congratulating the #beagle help desk team
  • [16:45:37] <mru> gotta love those congratulatory emails that pass through a dozen layers of managers before reaching the people who actually did the work
  • [16:46:06] <mru> always reassuring to know that the top boss has no idea who is really earning his big paycheck
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  • [16:47:50] <yasinsheikh> so ive loaded up putty
  • [16:47:58] <yasinsheikh> whats the beaglebone login?
  • [16:48:24] <yasinsheikh> or do i need one?
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  • [16:49:49] <alan_o> yasinsheikh: root
  • [16:49:51] <alan_o> no password
  • [16:49:55] <thurbad> use root and no password
  • [16:50:05] <av500> hunter2
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  • [16:50:11] <thurbad> lol
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  • [16:51:08] <yasinsheikh> so just root and no password
  • [16:51:09] <yasinsheikh> got it
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  • [16:51:15] <mranostay> trolling scoreboard now there is an idea
  • [16:51:35] * alan_o shakes his fist at virtualbox.... _again_
  • [16:51:58] <mru> hosted VMs suck
  • [16:52:17] <mdp> mranostay, could be a cape
  • [16:52:30] <alan_o> mru: It'd be ok if I didn't have to rebuild the stupid driver every time I commit to the kernel tree.
  • [16:52:31] <mdp> mranostay, another entry?
  • [16:52:58] <mru> alan_o: that's easy enough to get around
  • [16:53:13] <alan_o> mru: oh yeah, it's just annoying...
  • [16:53:15] <mru> just arrange for the version reported to not indicate the exact git rev
  • [16:53:59] <alan_o> well, in this case it's an actual version change, but yes, that could be done, and would help.
  • [16:54:22] <mru> of course it'll break if you change any of the interfaces those modules use
  • [16:54:27] <yasinsheikh> does any webcam work with the beaglebone?
  • [16:54:29] <mru> but you knew that
  • [16:54:48] <mru> yasinsheikh: I'm sure there some that don't
  • [16:54:57] <mru> I'm sure there are some that don't work _at all_ with any system
  • [16:55:07] <yasinsheikh> :)
  • [16:55:12] <thurbad> any as in all? or any as in you haven't found one that works yet?
  • [16:55:28] <yasinsheikh> im not really sure how to find out if they do work
  • [16:55:49] <mru> try them
  • [16:55:50] <yasinsheikh> right now im sitting on the cloud 9 IDE
  • [16:55:53] <mdp> http://www.oz9aec.net/index.php/beaglebone/476-turning-the-beaglebone-into-a-high-definition-ip-camera
  • [16:55:56] <thurbad> if there's a driver it probably works
  • [16:56:04] <mdp> google google google google
  • [16:56:13] <alan_o> mdp: bing?
  • [16:56:18] <mdp> baidu
  • [16:56:27] <alan_o> dogpile?
  • [16:56:41] <mdp> ask jeeves
  • [16:57:19] <alan_o> One of my first jobs at the ISP I worked at in the 90s was to make a super portal in which you could search from any of the popular engines
  • [16:57:25] <alan_o> good times.....
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  • [16:57:37] <alan_o> #!/usr/bin/perl
  • [16:57:40] <mru> those were popular in the late 90s
  • [16:57:58] * mru remembers metacrawler
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  • [17:00:53] <yasinsheikh> anyone still here
  • [17:00:54] <yasinsheikh> ?
  • [17:01:01] <mru> no, we all left
  • [17:01:09] <yasinsheikh> nice
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  • [17:03:00] <yasinsheikh> im a complete novice using the beaglebone so im kinda struggling to start working on this
  • [17:03:08] <yasinsheikh> and have only just started using linux
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  • [17:04:00] <mru> it's easier if you first spend 10-15 years learning the ins and outs of linux on desktop/server
  • [17:04:13] <yasinsheikh> :0
  • [17:04:58] <yasinsheikh> so what do you think i should give up learning how to use the beaglebone to use within my project
  • [17:04:58] <emeb> it's not much of a learning curve...
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  • [17:06:48] <av500> yasinsheikh: no, dontgive up
  • [17:06:54] <yasinsheikh> so am i on the right track? if i simply want to take pictures and store them to the microsd
  • [17:07:00] <yasinsheikh> where would be the best place to start
  • [17:07:00] <av500> cue kate bush
  • [17:07:10] <av500> google
  • [17:07:27] <yasinsheikh> i really have tried google
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  • [17:07:45] <yasinsheikh> like im on the cloud 9 ide
  • [17:07:54] <yasinsheikh> am i supoosed to be using this
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  • [17:10:16] <av500> LetoThe2nd: OSGI, wasnt that you?
  • [17:10:36] <yasinsheikh> me?
  • [17:10:36] <av500> first one to explain it to me in 3 words wins a price!
  • [17:10:46] <av500> yasinsheikh: you named LetoThe2nd ?
  • [17:10:54] <yasinsheikh> no
  • [17:14:24] * SilicaGel Do Not Eat
  • [17:18:58] <yasinsheikh> anyone know what webcams
  • [17:19:04] <yasinsheikh> would be best for the bone
  • [17:19:16] <LetoThe2nd> av500: me? osgi?
  • [17:19:33] * LetoThe2nd googles what osgi is.
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  • [17:20:48] <av500> LetoThe2nd: ah no, you were that other acronym
  • [17:21:27] * LetoThe2nd is confused, more than usual.
  • [17:21:39] <av500> you were on a meeting there
  • [17:21:42] <av500> something embedded
  • [17:21:44] <av500> related
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  • [17:21:51] <av500> a while ago
  • [17:22:15] <LetoThe2nd> ah, osadl.
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  • [17:22:40] <av500> see
  • [17:22:47] <av500> 2 letters in common
  • [17:23:21] <LetoThe2nd> sure. acronyms FTW
  • [17:23:39] <djlewis> lsusb
  • [17:23:43] <djlewis> oops
  • [17:25:30] * djlewis is testing some of his components that arrived off the boat from China today :)
  • [17:26:25] <av500> pray tell
  • [17:26:39] <av500> that boat washed ashore pretty deep inland, no?
  • [17:26:47] <djlewis> :)
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  • [17:29:47] <mdp> epic flood
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  • [17:34:40] <djlewis> geez, for $2.24 USD i get a pl2303 board with digital jumper cables and a usb power cable
  • [17:34:46] <djlewis> and linux detects it
  • [17:35:35] <mdp> better yet..linux can even drive a pl2303..not just detect it
  • [17:35:39] <mdp> bone-us points
  • [17:35:44] <djlewis> yep
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  • [17:44:47] <av500> a horific? you are very brave
  • [17:47:57] <mdp> ok! career goal met...I am retiring now
  • [17:48:26] <mdp> http://hackaday.com/2012/11/20/discrete-6502-processor-sucked-into-linux-by-a-beaglebone/
  • [17:48:36] <prpplague> mdp: HAHAHA
  • [17:49:46] <panto> mdp, lol
  • [17:51:02] <panto> mdp, will you sign your autograph in this picture I have? :)
  • [17:51:59] * mdp works on an acceptance speech
  • [17:52:02] * mdp calls mom
  • [17:52:22] <mdp> panto, we can talk world peas too
  • [17:52:37] <panto> I like peas
  • [17:53:14] <mdp> panto, if we could just interface the geiger cape and this together, we could control the horizontal *and* the vertical
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  • [17:53:38] <panto> the future is limitless
  • [17:53:48] * panto puts on shades
  • [17:53:59] <djlewis> I am so inspired :)
  • [17:54:39] <panto> so kids, that's what you can look up to if you stay in school and study hard!
  • [17:55:20] <mdp> djlewis, not to leave anybody out, we'll plug in your pl2303
  • [17:56:14] <djlewis> mdp: and my new 1602 16x2 blue display with add on I2C/TWI/SPI interface
  • [17:56:36] <av500> mdp: lol
  • [17:57:07] <mdp> djlewis, we can bitbang the snot out of the display
  • [17:57:38] <mdp> this could be a nice #beagle "potluck" style project
  • [17:57:48] <mdp> everybody bring one random h/w device...and we'll create something
  • [17:58:09] <av500> yeah
  • [17:58:15] <panto> can I bring a turkey?
  • [17:58:24] <panto> it's a h/w device ... of sorts
  • [17:58:28] <av500> yes
  • [17:58:29] <av500> wetware
  • [17:58:32] <mdp> frozen? we can launch it
  • [17:58:39] <av500> we can wire it a 6502 brain
  • [17:58:50] * mdp watched turkey bowling this morning
  • [17:58:51] <djlewis> if live we can drop from hellicopter
  • [17:59:14] <djlewis> drop turkey from copter that is
  • [17:59:25] <mdp> drop from a serious quadracopter
  • [17:59:35] <djlewis> with exact steps
  • [17:59:46] <panto> what's the difference of serious quadcopter from a plain one?
  • [17:59:52] <mdp> there will be exact steps like you've never seen before
  • [18:00:05] <mdp> panto, a quadcopter with no trolling
  • [18:00:10] <mdp> crazy talk, I know
  • [18:00:15] <djlewis> dreamer
  • [18:00:25] <ds2> what? no trolling from a quadcopter? new FWS rules?
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  • [18:00:29] <av500> TI israel: oh yes, when we enable wifi encryption, we can reproduce all your error reports.......duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • [18:00:37] <panto> I thought quadcopters have to be light to fly. Won't all this trolling weigh them down?
  • [18:00:50] <mdp> av500, encryption is for customers only
  • [18:00:50] <ds2> av500: lovely... so is the proposed fix to remove all wifi encryption?
  • [18:00:59] <av500> mdp: yep
  • [18:01:09] <av500> its to tedious to enter keys in a lab environment
  • [18:01:15] * av500 calls his Hamas contacts
  • [18:01:17] <mdp> av500, which part are you on?
  • [18:01:29] <av500> mdp: part 5, despair
  • [18:01:29] <ds2> they may be a bit occupied right now ;)
  • [18:01:44] <mdp> av500, hehe...there's a poster for that!
  • [18:01:48] <panto> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=samsung_chrome_a15&num=1
  • [18:02:01] <panto> no shit sherlock is faster than a pandaboard
  • [18:02:24] <koen> who would have thought?
  • [18:02:29] <mdp> mmm.moronix
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  • [18:02:43] <av500> montmartrix
  • [18:02:50] <koen> mdp: so are you a famous hacker now?
  • [18:02:59] <mdp> how do we determine if the samsung chromebook is a witch?!?
  • [18:03:38] <av500> why do people benchmark ARM always against the most shitty ATOM?
  • [18:03:40] <mdp> koen, I've always been convinced that they more useless a project...the higher chance to arrive safely on hackaday.com
  • [18:03:45] <mdp> mission accomplished
  • [18:04:07] <mdp> av500, arm ltd shills?
  • [18:04:25] <panto> av500, cause they are in the same market
  • [18:04:44] <panto> ultra notebooks won't get a xeon
  • [18:04:50] <panto> not at $250 for sure
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  • [18:10:47] <djlewis> spealing of, a link off the hackaday led me to variscite's TI OMAP4460,??1.5GHz Dual-Core Cortex-A9 module
  • [18:13:33] <av500> yes
  • [18:14:07] <djlewis> beagleboard X-II
  • [18:14:42] <alan_o> mdp: nice job :)
  • [18:15:26] <mdp> alan_o, heh, all I did was respond and clarify how it works on the 6502.org ph0rums.
  • [18:15:56] <mdp> I was really thinking I would get on there if we finished our robocop-style crossbow firing mechanism
  • [18:16:15] <mdp> but oh well
  • [18:16:25] <av500> firing frozen turkes?
  • [18:16:27] <av500> turkys
  • [18:16:29] <av500> gah
  • [18:16:42] <av500> turks
  • [18:16:48] <av500> swiss turks
  • [18:16:51] <djlewis> torx
  • [18:16:53] <mdp> a trebuchet with cloud control...hrm
  • [18:17:01] <av500> djlewis: and totx
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  • [18:18:10] <mranostay> mdp: first parport patch and now 6502's you are truely living in the past :P
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  • [18:44:54] <ds2> djlewis: for "electronic" clay pidgeon targets?
  • [18:45:19] <djlewis> ds2: if there was not an actual demand for this stuff, yes.
  • [18:45:36] <djlewis> scraping off the gold alone might be profitable.
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  • [18:50:18] <Jacmet> yes
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  • [18:55:34] <mranostay> djlewis: need some slave labour for that
  • [18:56:16] <djlewis> mranostay: volunteering ?
  • [18:56:55] <Russ> can't we just smelt them?
  • [18:57:40] <djlewis> gold melts before tin?
  • [18:57:58] <djlewis> or whatever boards were using back then
  • [18:58:05] <Russ> who cares, melt everything and wipe of the slag
  • [18:58:25] <Russ> er, wipe off
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  • [18:58:43] <mru> djlewis: melt everything but the gold
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  • [18:59:24] <alan_o> can't we turn the slag into gold yet? What's the current state of alchemy these days?
  • [19:00:01] <Russ> *sigh*, we throw away the slag and are left with gold
  • [19:00:26] <Russ> plus, I don't think I want to be inviting any state alchemists
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  • [19:04:31] <_av500_> make slugs from slag
  • [19:05:57] <mranostay> heh HP got scammed?
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  • [19:06:21] <mru> someone scammed the scammers?
  • [19:08:38] <mranostay> seems so
  • [19:10:38] <mdp> mranostay, I do need to clean up parport_gpio for submission...just for fun
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  • [19:12:13] <alan_o> mdp: yeah, I've been waiting for PLIP from beaglebone
  • [19:12:14] <koen> mdp: and isa-gpio?
  • [19:12:34] <mdp> koen, I wish I had infinite time
  • [19:13:04] <alan_o> We should compete to see who can get the most outrageous $bus-gpio driver mainlined.
  • [19:13:09] <mdp> koen, imagine if we had all pins the PRUSS can possibly be instantiated with brought out on am335x ;)
  • [19:13:31] <koen> didn't we have that conversation already?
  • [19:13:33] <mdp> alan_o, best idea I've heard in the last hour!
  • [19:13:36] <alan_o> mdp: it'd be a bit-banger's paradise!
  • [19:13:43] <koen> I think we even had beer with octopus bits with it
  • [19:13:56] <mdp> koen, I repeat my dreams a lot
  • [19:14:09] <mdp> *sigh*
  • [19:14:12] <mru> you have recurring dreams?
  • [19:14:14] <mdp> it's not to be though
  • [19:14:23] <koen> maybe am4xxx will have it
  • [19:14:36] <mdp> koen, you can go on thinking that, sure
  • [19:14:39] <mdp> ;)
  • [19:14:40] <koen> 4 PRUss at 400MHz!
  • [19:15:18] <alan_o> koen: you should make mdp a custom spin board with all the PRU lines. Call it the beaglebanger.
  • [19:15:31] <alan_o> target the RPi crowd
  • [19:15:46] <mdp> alan_o, it's more a silicon problem
  • [19:16:04] <mdp> the PRUSS IP core can have more pins brought out than the implementation on am335x does
  • [19:16:24] <alan_o> oh.. I thought you meant just brought out to the headers. Nevermind then....
  • [19:16:39] <koen> a6 should have all the pins on the headers
  • [19:16:40] <mdp> they bring out pretty much what is needed for all the boring common use cases like profibus and ethercat
  • [19:16:50] <mdp> stuff with pesky customers attached to it
  • [19:17:11] <mdp> right, a6 has the two missing signals that come out on am335x
  • [19:17:44] <panto> dinner
  • [19:17:48] <alan_o> where'd you get the extra header space from?
  • [19:18:00] <koen> overloading 2 other pins
  • [19:18:15] <koen> so some pins on the expansion have 2 balls connected
  • [19:18:20] <koen> cue mdp laughing
  • [19:18:24] <alan_o> oh man
  • [19:18:35] <alan_o> don't end up with dead short there sometimes?
  • [19:18:41] <alan_o> bzzzzt
  • [19:19:01] <alan_o> or is there an external mux?
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  • [19:19:29] <koen> alan_o: you're hitting on the main problem :)
  • [19:20:46] <mdp> hahahaha
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  • [19:22:17] <mdp> alan_o, so my *want* has been a pruss instantiation with upwards of 16+ input and output pins brought out to balls
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  • [19:22:42] <mru> as long as one or the other ball is muxed as a non-output you're fine
  • [19:24:04] <mdp> alan_o, we're around 70% of that number shared between pru0/1...and you have to use the sekrit instructions to get at the other PRU's pins in a single cycle
  • [19:24:37] <mdp> alan_o, there's a ton of bus protocols that can be accomplished with some more pins
  • [19:25:55] <mdp> though, to reduce logic we also need pru gpos/gpis to be able to work as a input or output dynamically which is simply not a part of design
  • [19:26:05] <mdp> so then I get into a lot of wishing
  • [19:26:18] <mdp> koen, maybe you can have a C compiler eventually, would you like that?
  • [19:26:33] * mru sees no point in a pru c compiler
  • [19:26:45] <mranostay> mru: why is that?
  • [19:27:04] <mru> because you typically use the pru for timing-critical code
  • [19:27:34] <_av500_> mru: then use realtime C
  • [19:27:35] <mru> and with a c compiler you don't know for sure what instruction sequence you'll get and thus not how long it time it will take
  • [19:27:48] <_av500_> __fast_for()
  • [19:28:07] <alan_o> #pragma realtime=on
  • [19:28:08] <mru> and if you did know the exact steps, you could just write that asm directly instead of going the detour through the compiler
  • [19:28:40] <mranostay> heh
  • [19:29:30] <mdp> mru, I understand the concern...I think there's a notion that some apps have looser deadlines to allow for sloppy C coders
  • [19:29:49] <_av500_> lol, just got spam targeted at retir[Cees: "to reply to this email, hit the "REPLY" button in your email system"
  • [19:29:54] <alan_o> mdp: so are there other chips which have the PRU implemented the way you like?
  • [19:30:09] <mdp> mru, and TI believes that only neckbeard people can grok assembly..even on a trivial core like PRU
  • [19:30:12] <mru> mdp: can we please keep one haven without sloppy coders/
  • [19:30:13] <mru> ?
  • [19:30:56] <mru> also, TI people can't write compilers
  • [19:31:31] <mdp> alan_o, no, but in implementation notes, one can see that the IP is able to be instantiated with up to 32 parallel inputs/outputs per PRU core (32 for r30 and 32 for r31)
  • [19:31:57] <alan_o> right, the IP core is good.
  • [19:32:00] <mdp> alan_o, it's just the usual problem of what do you instantiate and bring out to the massive pinmux
  • [19:32:25] <alan_o> So it's a shame then that the PRU hasn't been higher priority in any of the real world chips
  • [19:32:35] <mdp> mru, maybe they can hire somebody that can write a compiler?
  • [19:32:58] <mru> TI hire? surely some kind of joke...
  • [19:33:06] <mdp> admittingly, everything I want to do with the pru is easily done in a tiny bit of assembly
  • [19:33:20] <mru> and don't look at me, I'm not qualified to work at TI
  • [19:33:23] <mdp> mru, I always think maybe some other TI can hire ;)
  • [19:33:38] <alan_o> mdp: just not the calculator division?
  • [19:36:07] <mdp> who knows?
  • [19:36:37] <djlewis> for all your computing needs . . http://imagebin.org/236621
  • [19:37:13] <Jacmet> ^es
  • [19:37:27] <alan_o> djlewis: mmm... zilog
  • [19:37:45] <alan_o> mdp: maybe that can be your next ELC talk. Hooking up to one of djlewis's boards.
  • [19:37:46] <_av500_> oh, imagebin is back
  • [19:38:07] <ds2> put 430's in there
  • [19:38:07] <mdp> alan_o, let's not call it "hooking up" .. m'kay?
  • [19:38:09] <ds2> drop the PRUs
  • [19:38:20] <mdp> yes, 200mhz 430s
  • [19:38:39] <alan_o> mdp: eccch... I hate it when phrases are hijacked by teenagers.
  • [19:38:46] <mdp> or lm4fs with stellarisware in ROM!
  • [19:38:46] <_av500_> soon: ELC = Electronix Linux Clowns
  • [19:39:05] <_av500_> mdp: I have yet to install my stellarisware
  • [19:39:10] <_av500_> in the ROM
  • [19:39:14] <ds2> sure, the 430 IP is scaleable to 1GHz, right? :D
  • [19:39:15] <mdp> it's preinstalled!!!!
  • [19:39:18] <_av500_> nooooooooooo
  • [19:39:24] <_av500_> I want to swap floppies
  • [19:39:27] <_av500_> halfway through
  • [19:39:29] <ds2> and keep the low pwr charactersitics
  • [19:39:32] <mdp> my people wrote it into your memory for you
  • [19:39:36] <mdp> those people!
  • [19:39:41] <mdp> not the calculator people!
  • [19:40:01] <_av500_> tipiple
  • [19:40:04] <koen> ds2: I've sat through a presentation where a TI manager said we can easily scale the arm9 stuff to 1.8GHz, no need for that cortex-a8 nonsense
  • [19:40:17] <_av500_> did he work for marvell before?
  • [19:40:24] <djlewis> lol
  • [19:40:27] <koen> heh, no
  • [19:40:39] <koen> I think he left for DSP land inside TI
  • [19:40:49] <_av500_> koen: he failed to scale the omap4 DSP
  • [19:41:02] <koen> this was before omap4
  • [19:41:07] <_av500_> before?
  • [19:41:11] <_av500_> there was nothing before
  • [19:41:11] <mru> of course an arm9 can be run at 1.8GHz
  • [19:41:13] <ds2> hehe
  • [19:41:16] <_av500_> a barren wasteland
  • [19:41:19] <mru> but it would still be an arm9
  • [19:41:25] <ds2> Mmmmmmm xscale
  • [19:41:34] <_av500_> ds2: how does that scale?
  • [19:41:38] <_av500_> times x?
  • [19:41:40] <mdp> he's probably the same guy that made the arm11 mpcore part at NEC :)
  • [19:41:55] <ds2> xscale was claimed to go beyond 1GHz
  • [19:42:07] <mru> scales to 11?
  • [19:42:08] <mdp> it has scale in the name, that's pretty intuitive
  • [19:42:11] <_av500_> mdp: stop it, we know that r-pi invented the arm11
  • [19:42:21] <mru> and 11 > 9
  • [19:42:26] <mru> as in cortex-a9
  • [19:42:29] <ds2> xscale is a bastardized arm9
  • [19:42:38] <ds2> so...
  • [19:42:41] <mdp> this is why we struggled going to A8
  • [19:42:42] <mru> xscale is an armv5te
  • [19:42:47] <mdp> marketing meltdown!
  • [19:42:50] <mru> not sure how much it has in common with the arm9 design
  • [19:43:01] <ds2> it runs the arm9 ISA ;)
  • [19:43:03] <mru> it rather derives from the strongarm
  • [19:43:12] <mru> which was a dec-designed armv4
  • [19:43:24] <ds2> and even has SIMD instructions unlike other arm9s
  • [19:43:34] <mru> that's an intel addon
  • [19:43:47] <panto> back
  • [19:43:59] <ds2> xscale is intel
  • [19:44:19] <mru> yes, it's what they developed strongarm into after they acquired it from dec
  • [19:44:31] <mru> could also be a clean design, I don't know
  • [19:44:31] <koen> and sold to marvell
  • [19:44:42] <ds2> develop isn't quite the word I'd use ;)
  • [19:44:51] <_av500_> wireless mmx anybody?
  • [19:45:16] <mru> _av500_: 19:43 < ds2> and even has SIMD instructions
  • [19:45:22] <ds2> 'barstardized'... 'morphed'... 'ran into the ground...' ;)
  • [19:45:35] <_av500_> mru: you and your facts
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  • [19:45:52] <mru> _av500_: the real ones or the made-up ones?
  • [19:45:59] * mru prefers the made-up ones
  • [19:46:05] <_av500_> the uncomfortable ones
  • [19:46:29] <mru> my sofa is comfortable, and that's a fact
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  • [19:47:10] <_av500_> sofa, so good
  • [19:53:19] <_av500_> ok, kids in bed
  • [19:56:35] <djlewis> can we talk dirty now ?
  • [19:56:49] <panto> djlewis, nvidia!
  • [19:56:57] <_av500_> oooh yeah
  • [19:56:59] <djlewis> ugh
  • [19:57:10] <_av500_> these strong binary blobs
  • [19:57:13] <mru> qualcomm!
  • [19:57:24] <_av500_> these fully closed systems
  • [19:57:34] <mru> fully clothed?
  • [19:57:36] <woglinde> broadcom?
  • [19:57:42] <mdp> allwinner
  • [19:57:50] <_av500_> all in!
  • [19:57:56] * mdp gets goosebumps
  • [19:57:59] <djlewis> hp all-in-one's
  • [19:58:05] <panto> stop! I'm getting excited
  • [19:58:06] <mru> hole-in-one
  • [19:58:11] <mdp> lol
  • [19:58:12] <woglinde> panto haha
  • [19:58:47] <_av500_> meet me at the A20 gate
  • [19:58:55] <_av500_> tonight!
  • [19:58:59] <mdp> omg omg omg!
  • [19:59:00] <djlewis> just past the invertor
  • [19:59:33] * djlewis is getting red in the face
  • [19:59:37] <_av500_> zapp me with that 1.8V of yours
  • [19:59:56] <mru> frank, zapp him!
  • [20:00:08] <_av500_> 20:58 < mafi > basically i wanna use my rasp as an ipsec gateway and pf
  • [20:00:11] <_av500_> 20:58 < mafi > so openbsd would be my choice but theo said "no" :)
  • [20:00:17] <djlewis> my ribs are hurting as I try to lol quietly
  • [20:00:17] <_av500_> bad theo, bad
  • [20:01:02] <woglinde> av500 lol
  • [20:01:05] <mru> nice one
  • [20:01:06] <woglinde> he can port it
  • [20:01:12] <woglinde> like android
  • [20:01:14] <mdp> freebsd, do we have that on beagle?!???
  • [20:01:17] <_av500_> one does notsimply port a bsd
  • [20:01:29] <panto> _av500_, lol, hope he's only having a dial line to move through the rpi
  • [20:01:41] <mru> have you heard about the space aliens who captured 10 bsd developers and locked them in a room?
  • [20:01:45] <djlewis> is that BadSonofaDemon?
  • [20:01:52] <_av500_> mru: there are only 9
  • [20:02:11] * Russ checks to see what channel he's actually in
  • [20:02:20] <mru> when they opened the door a week later, they found 10 dead bsd developers and 11 new bsd forks
  • [20:02:24] <woglinde> av500 theo counts for 2
  • [20:02:35] <mdp> anybody else see the base A10/A13 kernel support that was submitted?
  • [20:02:41] <panto> mdp, yes I did
  • [20:02:45] <_av500_> mru: stabbed by a fork
  • [20:02:58] <mdp> I, for one, welcome our allwinner overlords
  • [20:03:08] <_av500_> mdp: lo and behold, today we got a rockchip TRM
  • [20:03:17] <_av500_> china is opening up
  • [20:03:31] <woglinde> av500 haha
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  • [20:03:40] <woglinde> av500 next week is lidl
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  • [20:05:26] <mdp> _av500_, everything is unfolding according to plan. say goodbye to your beloved Alderaan
  • [20:06:00] * mdp watches the Shenzhen-star maneuver into position.
  • [20:06:20] <woglinde> uho
  • [20:06:26] <woglinde> now its going intressting
  • [20:08:56] <_av500_> mdp: I just hope that next year the chinese govmt will decide that biotech is the future and stops propping up SoC makers
  • [20:09:55] <_av500_> "here, we created a bank to give you money, go make a company"
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  • [20:10:58] <mranostay> _av500_: i for one welcome our new chinese overlords.. reference said map..
  • [20:11:22] <_av500_> :)
  • [20:12:09] <mranostay> mdp lucks out has Canadian overlords.. i'm sure they are nice even in invasions
  • [20:12:24] <mdp> I wear them like a hat
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  • [20:19:37] <_av500_> prpplague: ping
  • [20:19:46] <prpplague> _av500_: pong
  • [20:20:13] <_av500_> why would the galaxy nexus not reboot on long_power_press? its a std ompa4+pmic thing, no?
  • [20:20:57] * flo_lap is now known as florian
  • [20:20:57] <prpplague> _av500_: the phoenix pmix can be programmed with custom microcode aka rom code
  • [20:21:07] <_av500_> several people reporting that only battery out can reset it
  • [20:21:15] <_av500_> prpplague: yep
  • [20:21:16] <prpplague> _av500_: usually the big vendors like for the galaxy nexus have custom
  • [20:21:29] <_av500_> and they wanted it "brickable"?
  • [20:21:40] * prpplague has no comment on that, hehe
  • [20:22:09] <prpplague> _av500_: there is a specific hardware condition that get that issue
  • [20:22:21] <prpplague> _av500_: nishant can give you the details on that
  • [20:22:23] <prpplague> one sec
  • [20:22:39] <prpplague> _av500_: doesn't look like he is online
  • [20:22:49] <_av500_> there was something on aerly pmics
  • [20:22:52] <_av500_> early
  • [20:22:55] <_av500_> IIRC
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  • [20:31:11] <prpplague> _av500_: i can't recall, is nexus 4460 or 4470?
  • [20:31:19] <SilicaGel> what is this TI stuff about not focusing on mobile markets any more and concentrating on other OMAP
  • [20:31:35] <SilicaGel> also did somebody say PRU?
  • [20:31:46] <prpplague> SilicaGel: there is no such thing as "other omap"
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  • [20:31:55] <SilicaGel> Also did somebody say meet me at gate A20? You can't exepect to find anybody there beacuse it's in a .... shadow
  • [20:32:42] <SilicaGel> "Moving forward, Texas Instruments will focus its OMAP processor business on embedded devices, rather than smartphones and tablets. The company has lost ground in recent years to Qualcomm, Samsung, and Apple."
  • [20:32:43] <_av500_> prpplague: 60
  • [20:33:32] <prpplague> SilicaGel: i assume that is from the statements last month
  • [20:33:38] <prpplague> SilicaGel: and not the more recent news
  • [20:33:45] <SilicaGel> let me see. I only saw it today on phonescoop
  • [20:34:31] <SilicaGel> Updated Nov 15, 2012
  • [20:34:45] <SilicaGel> http://newscenter.ti.com/2012-11-14-TI-to-reduce-costs-in-Wireless-business-OMAP-processors-and-wireless-connectivity-solutions-will-focus-on-embedded-markets there it is
  • [20:34:49] <woglinde> automobile
  • [20:37:53] <prpplague> SilicaGel: kind of a bogus statement
  • [20:38:00] <SilicaGel> Oh yeah?
  • [20:38:36] <SilicaGel> What part?
  • [20:39:28] <woglinde> I only remember about the wireless devision which made nokia stuff
  • [20:39:36] <prpplague> SilicaGel: this is a more accurate statement - http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/14/technology/texas-instruments-layoffs/
  • [20:43:00] <woglinde> lol
  • [20:43:01] <woglinde> http://blog.hansenpartnership.com/adventures-in-microsoft-uefi-signing/
  • [20:43:04] <woglinde> stupid ms
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  • [20:44:04] <koen> oh dear, av500 is making pulp fiction references
  • [20:44:36] <_av500_> I wont dance though
  • [20:45:39] <koen> I'm watching TI mkting peeps showing off the capes
  • [20:45:40] <alan_o> prpplague: man, did you read the comments on that one?
  • [20:45:51] <alan_o> prpplague: people are such idiots.
  • [20:45:57] <_av500_> yes
  • [20:46:00] <koen> funny how they say that a 16bit screen can display 16 point seven milllllion colours
  • [20:46:02] <_av500_> they are people after all
  • [20:46:09] <prpplague> alan_o: comments on which one?
  • [20:46:15] <_av500_> koen: one word: dithering
  • [20:46:16] <alan_o> on the cnn one
  • [20:46:20] <prpplague> koen: hehe
  • [20:46:24] <prpplague> alan_o: ahh no
  • [20:46:54] <_av500_> cnn says TI is going to put omap in my pants
  • [20:47:10] <koen> 786 pixel
  • [20:47:13] <koen> dear lord
  • [20:47:18] <koen> math is hard
  • [20:47:20] <alan_o> _av500_: that's the way I read it :)
  • [20:47:28] <koen> someone send those TI people a calculator
  • [20:47:44] <_av500_> koen: they are using a TI calculator
  • [20:48:09] <woglinde> alan_o this one? -> TI is notorious for hiring LOW COST H1Bs to REPLACE TI employees with over 5 years of tenure.
  • [20:48:28] <koen> cheap indians are cheap
  • [20:48:29] <koen> news at 11
  • [20:48:37] <fredb> Guys, is the kernel at https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/ an officially supported TI project, or is it an open source community based effort?
  • [20:48:53] <mdp> more like open sores
  • [20:48:53] <koen> are those the only 2 options?
  • [20:49:24] <woglinde> hm the kernel itself is no open source community effort?
  • [20:50:18] <_av500_> ...."Texas" Instruments my butt. Says Made in China on the back of my TI calculator.
  • [20:50:25] <alan_o> woglinde: pretty much everything hoapres says is insanity.
  • [20:50:26] <_av500_> nice one
  • [20:50:32] <alan_o> woglinde: I'm glad I don't live in his HOA
  • [20:50:38] <fredb> Does TI provide kernel releases, or is it soley managed via the github repos?
  • [20:50:52] <_av500_> there are TI PSP kernels
  • [20:50:55] <alan_o> woglinde: if being HOA president is so much of your identity that you use it for an online handle... you have serious problems :)
  • [20:51:24] <koen> fredb: has it occured to you that there are more options besides "TI" and "community"?
  • [20:51:51] <alan_o> koen: one more.... CircuitCo :)
  • [20:51:52] <koen> fredb: your question includes wrong assumptions and hence cannot be correctly answered
  • [20:52:01] <koen> alan_o: and others
  • [20:52:05] <alan_o> koen: hehe
  • [20:52:13] <panto> lol@linkedin first story: 'LinkedIn Today recommends this news for you: What I Learned When I Got Fired (the First Time)"
  • [20:52:21] <prpplague> hehe
  • [20:52:32] <woglinde> panto haha
  • [20:52:33] <fredb> OK, what is the relationship between the github kernel and the TI releases?
  • [20:52:40] <panto> the vultures are circling :)
  • [20:52:47] * prpplague looks at all the @#$@%@$%@#$%@#$ he needs to pack up from his dungeon, err, cube
  • [20:52:53] <koen> fredb: the github ones actually support the beaglebone?
  • [20:53:39] <wmat> prpplague: let's see a pic?
  • [20:53:50] <fredb> Got it, thanks
  • [20:53:59] <alan_o> koen: is he comparing the 3.2 ones from arago-project and OE?
  • [20:55:05] <prpplague> wmat: no cameras allowed in our area
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  • [20:56:37] <mru> panto: my reaction to getting laid off was "great, that saved me the trouble of writing the letter"
  • [20:57:03] <panto> mru, it has been nuts
  • [20:57:17] <wmat> prpplague: bummer
  • [20:57:41] <mru> panto: that's not so bad, if you're a squirrel
  • [20:57:42] <mdp> prpplague: google recruiters swooping down on TIers
  • [20:58:08] <prpplague> mdp: oh? i feel left out then
  • [20:58:24] <prpplague> mdp: i seem to be attracting qcom and nvidia folks
  • [20:58:36] <_av500_> join the dark side!
  • [20:58:50] <prpplague> mdp: google==hawks gcom/nvidia==buzzards
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  • [20:58:58] <prpplague> both are swooping down
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  • [20:59:04] <woglinde> *g*
  • [20:59:37] <mdp> prpplague: it's coming...brace yourself!
  • [20:59:55] <Thing_> Hi, for 12c or spi do we need to use extra chips with external circuits ?
  • [21:00:31] <_av500_> if they are 3.3V, no
  • [21:00:39] <_av500_> assuming you speak of bone
  • [21:00:40] <mdp> prpplague: "I am really interested in seeing how things are going at TI?" ... I suspect a systematic linkedin attack on TIers
  • [21:00:55] <Thing_> me ? ac500 ?
  • [21:01:06] <_av500_> yes, since you asked
  • [21:01:24] <woglinde> prpplague hm are you going at the end of the year or earlier or cannt you comment?
  • [21:01:28] <Thing_> so I use only 3.3v volts, I can just use pins from bagelbone
  • [21:02:00] <Thing_> is there any circuit diagrams for that?
  • [21:02:38] <_av500_> there is google
  • [21:02:40] <prpplague> woglinde: i'll know for sure next week, but i suspect it will be quick, i.e. say day i am told
  • [21:02:44] <_av500_> lots of examples of prior art
  • [21:02:46] <prpplague> s/say/same
  • [21:03:05] <Thing_> ok, thanks
  • [21:03:09] <Thing_> I look for them
  • [21:03:14] <woglinde> prpplague ah thats sad
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  • [21:06:17] <_av500_> gah, info material from the kindergarden, written in comic sans, wont read
  • [21:07:44] <woglinde> haha
  • [21:08:31] <_av500_> woglinde: we have a friedrich-ebert elementary school here with his name in comic says....
  • [21:09:26] <woglinde> av500 do you know spiekermann?
  • [21:09:51] <_av500_> now i do
  • [21:11:11] <woglinde> http://spiekermann.com/
  • [21:11:23] <woglinde> one of germans font gurus
  • [21:11:24] <woglinde> ,)
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  • [21:12:30] <mru> woglinde: the logo at the top of the page is very amateurish
  • [21:13:07] <woglinde> which logo?
  • [21:13:25] <mru> the red text with white anti-aliasing fringes
  • [21:14:49] <woglinde> hm
  • [21:14:57] <woglinde> hm the still searching javascript devs
  • [21:16:02] <woglinde> mru thats his company
  • [21:16:04] <woglinde> http://edenspiekermann.com/
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  • [21:16:45] <mru> so? the website still sucks
  • [21:17:01] <mru> looks like the red text was intended to go over the white bit
  • [21:17:04] <mru> but missed it
  • [21:17:53] <woglinde> can you make a screenshot I dont get it maybee chromium shows it diffrently
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  • [21:22:18] <mru> woglinde: http://unicorn.mansr.com/~mru/spiekermann.png
  • [21:22:23] <prpplague> oh oh oh, great job description item "An understanding of all aspects of the Linux Kernel"
  • [21:22:35] <mru> good luck finding any candidates for that
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  • [21:23:06] <woglinde> lol
  • [21:23:37] <woglinde> mru strange, here it looks okay
  • [21:23:52] <woglinde> mru which browser do you using?
  • [21:23:54] <mru> the html validator has a lot to say about that page
  • [21:24:35] <thurbad> validators often do that
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  • [21:24:57] <woglinde> intressting edenspiekermann got the bosh gender campaign I liked the posters
  • [21:24:59] <mru> thurbad: not on anything I have control over
  • [21:25:10] <thurbad> heh
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  • [21:28:52] <mru> but then again, people have accused me of being "not a web programmer"
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  • [21:28:59] <mru> which I take as a compliment
  • [21:29:16] <thurbad> why, because you "actually code"?
  • [21:29:37] <_av500_> mru: see, I was right :)
  • [21:30:20] <mru> thurbad: not sure which part they were referring to
  • [21:32:06] <mru> perhaps that I used perl
  • [21:32:16] <woglinde> not php
  • [21:32:18] <mru> or perhaps that all the code actually does something useful
  • [21:32:19] <woglinde> *g*
  • [21:32:21] <thurbad> heh... recently?
  • [21:32:28] <mru> fate.libav.org
  • [21:33:18] <thurbad> not a big fan of php, mainly because it's too easy to use poorly
  • [21:33:55] <mru> I did a little php back when it was fashionable
  • [21:34:04] <mru> nothing that's online now
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  • [21:34:40] <Jacmet> mru: php ever fashionable?
  • [21:35:06] <mru> sure, 2004 or thereabouts it was
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  • [21:35:17] <woglinde> hm I looked first to php in 97 and python too
  • [21:35:38] <mru> jsp was also cool back then
  • [21:35:54] <Jacmet> mru: I would rather say pre-dotcom bubble burst
  • [21:36:27] <woglinde> post
  • [21:36:34] <thurbad> most pages were static that far back, or perl cgi
  • [21:36:43] <woglinde> pre was around 2000
  • [21:37:07] <Jacmet> sure, I did a bit of php for a company back in '99 or so
  • [21:37:15] <mdp> Thing_, be careful of how much current you sink with the am335x pins...the max is documented for all pins in the datasheet
  • [21:37:40] <mdp> blech
  • [21:38:02] <mru> Jacmet: sure, php existed back then
  • [21:38:35] <alan_o> prpplague: you saw one that said that, or you're putting that on your linkedin?
  • [21:38:45] <alan_o> :)
  • [21:39:23] <mru> but it hadn't yet become the cool thing to use while badmouthing cgi
  • [21:40:00] <dm8tbr> mhhh, yes, perl cgi... those were the days...
  • [21:40:50] * Jacmet still did some simple cgi stuff last month :P
  • [21:40:51] <alan_o> dm8tbr: those aren't still the days?
  • [21:41:12] <alan_o> dm8tbr: and PHP register_globals :)
  • [21:41:15] <mru> as I said, I'm running some perl/cgi right now
  • [21:41:29] <mru> it works
  • [21:41:57] <Jacmet> mru: yeah, kiss
  • [21:42:06] <mru> and the entire script is just a page or two
  • [21:42:08] <alan_o> mru: cgi was too functional and easy to remain popular
  • [21:42:14] <alan_o> s/was/is/
  • [21:42:14] * dm8tbr still has working bash CGI running
  • [21:42:27] <alan_o> yeah, make your webpage in bash if you want to
  • [21:42:38] <alan_o> so easy, robust... but then they tell us how slow it is
  • [21:42:41] <alan_o> because it makes a proces
  • [21:42:43] <alan_o> process
  • [21:42:54] <mru> if that's not the bottleneck, why care?
  • [21:42:59] <alan_o> but then others tell us how fast fork()/exec() is in Linux....
  • [21:43:16] <alan_o> I'm more inclined to believe the latter.
  • [21:43:31] <dm8tbr> I'm sure linaro could speed up fork() now that they are done speeding up memcpy
  • [21:43:35] <mru> fork/exec is fast enough that you rarely need to care
  • [21:43:37] <alan_o> CGI is "slow" because it makes a process, but instead we should make stuff in interpreted languages.
  • [21:43:56] <alan_o> web people rarely make sense to me when they speak
  • [21:44:03] <mru> if you're serving a billion pages per second, it does matter
  • [21:44:15] <mru> alan_o: they don't make sense to me even when not speaking
  • [21:44:20] <alan_o> if you're serving that much, make yourself an apache module in C
  • [21:44:41] <mru> or slap a varnish cache in front of it
  • [21:44:48] <alan_o> or use node.js
  • [21:44:49] <alan_o> :)
  • [21:45:03] <alan_o> I can't seem to go one day without referencing that video....
  • [21:45:05] <dm8tbr> bzzzt, BINGO!
  • [21:45:08] <woglinde> nodejs for the win
  • [21:45:09] <woglinde> haha
  • [21:45:45] <alan_o> In reality, I don't know the first thing about node.js. Hopefully I don't ever have to.
  • [21:48:10] <mdp> alan_o, rockstar!
  • [21:48:47] <mdp> dm8tbr: linaro could invent the concept of a web server in the kernel, perhaps
  • [21:49:03] <mdp> maybe break some popular benchmark records
  • [21:49:18] <mru> the linaro kernel people are actually good
  • [21:49:24] <mru> believe it or not
  • [21:49:31] <mdp> sure, I know who they are ;)
  • [21:49:32] <_av500_> we do
  • [21:49:35] <mru> they write patches, not blog posts
  • [21:49:55] <mdp> we need more blog posts
  • [21:50:37] <prpplague> alan_o: headhunter sent me that as part of embedded linux opportunity
  • [21:50:37] <mdp> dsaxena and I were trying to figure out the purpose of drivers/base/soc.c the other day..the SoCbus
  • [21:50:42] <mdp> very curious
  • [21:51:00] <panto> it's a riddle wrapped in a mystery
  • [21:51:03] <mdp> mru, a linaro contribution, incidentally
  • [21:51:12] <_av500_> mdp: I heard the NoCbus drives people to google and apple
  • [21:51:32] <mdp> panto, I will contract you for a PRUSSbus
  • [21:51:39] <mdp> can haz sysfs nodez?
  • [21:51:46] <_av500_> node.jz
  • [21:51:53] <panto> node.sysfs
  • [21:51:57] <mru> _av500_: gzipped js?
  • [21:52:08] <_av500_> wait, node.jwz
  • [21:52:21] <mru> node.lzw
  • [21:52:29] <_av500_> lharc ftw
  • [21:52:42] <mru> node.arjs
  • [21:52:53] <_av500_> pulsenode
  • [21:54:32] <prpplague> ho ho hum
  • [21:55:18] <prpplague> mdp: hey btw, i could not get it to come up again, but i saw your 6502 info past by on the news ticker at dice.com
  • [21:55:36] <mdp> prpplague: are there recruiting buses with booth babes driving up and down TI Blvd right now?
  • [21:55:48] <mdp> prpplague: lol, that's too funny
  • [21:55:50] <prpplague> mdp: probably
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  • [21:56:33] <xiphiasx_> so
  • [21:56:36] <prpplague> mdp: the person i am concerned about is my friend Mihai who is a lab tech
  • [21:56:37] <xiphiasx_> i got a beagleboard-xm
  • [21:56:39] <xiphiasx_> only problem is
  • [21:56:39] <mdp> prpplague: I can imagine them circling right now
  • [21:56:43] <xiphiasx_> i forgot to buy the power supply
  • [21:56:45] <prpplague> mdp: he's a freakin artist with a soldering iron
  • [21:56:48] <xiphiasx_> and i don't have any power supplies compatible
  • [21:56:49] <_av500_> 5v, 2A
  • [21:56:57] <_av500_> use the one from your usb hub
  • [21:56:57] <prpplague> mdp: but not very good at selling himself to potential employers
  • [21:57:01] <mdp> ugh
  • [21:57:27] <xiphiasx_> _av500_: what?
  • [21:57:28] <prpplague> mdp: i was going to ping gerald to see if there is anything open in his neck of the wood
  • [21:57:53] <xiphiasx_> i can't power the board via USB OTG, i don't have any cables that fit the port for it
  • [21:58:15] <mdp> hopefully so, I know the lab tech at my first moto job was total gold...we would have failed without his magic
  • [21:58:23] <xiphiasx_> and i don't have a USB hub
  • [21:58:41] <dm8tbr> buy a cheap hub with a power supply
  • [21:58:53] <dm8tbr> easiest and cheapest way to get one
  • [21:59:14] <dm8tbr> most of them come with the right size of connector (unless you buy one of those super tiny hubs)
  • [21:59:17] <xiphiasx_> heh, alright
  • [21:59:27] <xiphiasx_> i thought i losing my mind for a minute
  • [21:59:56] <xiphiasx_> i could just buy the power supply off of digikey though
  • [22:00:33] <_av500_> sure
  • [22:00:38] <_av500_> 5V, 2A
  • [22:00:47] <_av500_> or more
  • [22:00:54] <_av500_> more A, not V
  • [22:00:59] <woglinde> or your local dealer
  • [22:01:18] <woglinde> if it is urgent
  • [22:01:25] <panto> definitely don't do 2V 5A
  • [22:02:33] <dm8tbr> 5kV 0.002A might be interesting though
  • [22:02:35] <xiphiasx_> alright
  • [22:02:42] <xiphiasx_> well
  • [22:02:45] <xiphiasx_> i almost blew up the board
  • [22:02:48] <xiphiasx_> i didn't realize it
  • [22:02:57] <xiphiasx_> but the adapter i have outputs AC 10.5V
  • [22:03:17] <woglinde> lol
  • [22:03:18] <xiphiasx_> this is what happens when you're annoyed that you did not buy an adapter for something you bought
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  • [22:05:23] <_av500_> you just take any random one
  • [22:05:54] <xiphiasx_> i got every single power adapter with that connector
  • [22:05:58] <xiphiasx_> none of them will work
  • [22:05:58] <xiphiasx_> heh
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  • [22:10:02] <xiphiasx_> yeah
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