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  • [02:22:49] <mranostay> hi mythos
  • [02:24:49] <mythos> erm... hi, mranostay
  • [02:25:49] <mythos> i don't have a beagleboard. i'm only here, because i want to be with the cool guys...
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  • [02:31:24] <mranostay> mythos: cool in here?
  • [02:31:32] <mranostay> and on IRC? :)
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  • [02:41:12] <JViz> why lay off 1,700 people if they are just killing a product name?
  • [02:41:28] <mranostay> heh
  • [02:41:46] * mranostay notes JViz must not work for a big company
  • [02:42:13] <JViz> 1,700 people is a lot of people
  • [02:42:13] <JViz> nope
  • [02:42:13] <JViz> that's like 5% of their company though
  • [02:42:25] <JViz> all from a single division
  • [02:43:23] <mranostay> all big companies clean house
  • [02:43:58] <JViz> sure
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  • [02:50:13] <JViz> so you're saying the discontinuation of the OMAP line is an excuse for TI to can a bunch of people?
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  • [03:10:21] <mranostay> i'm not saying anything in here :)
  • [03:11:38] <prpplague> mranostay: hehe wise move, hehe
  • [03:14:00] <JViz> why not?
  • [03:14:13] <JViz> do you work for Ti?
  • [03:17:28] <mranostay> surprisingly no :)
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  • [03:38:10] <Russ> mranostay, if you got a fake name badge, and walked around the building, I'm sure no one would look twice
  • [03:41:26] <prpplague> just use a few buzz words with people passing in the hallway
  • [03:42:10] <Russ> wonder how far you could troll with that
  • [03:42:26] <Russ> c'mon chase, you know matt, he's work here for a couple years now
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  • [03:44:46] <prpplague> Russ: of course, security might be concerned with the fact that there is actually _someone_ in the halls soon
  • [03:44:55] <ion> Remember to carry a paper file with you so you look like you???re supposed to be walking in there.
  • [03:45:15] <Russ> who carries papers around offices these days?
  • [03:47:08] <Russ> btw, I was I home depot today, the philips l-prize bulbs are down to $20
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  • [05:49:16] <ka6sox> Russ 1-prize?
  • [05:50:28] <Russ> L
  • [05:50:47] <Russ> 10 watt 60 watt equivalent led bulb
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  • [06:12:35] <ka6sox> Russ, got URL?
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  • [06:14:21] <Russ> http://www.amazon.com/Philips-423244-10-Watt-60-Watt-L-Prize/dp/B007RKVT4C
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  • [06:16:18] <Russ> its nice that it's fully dimmable and has really good color rendering, it sucks that it buzzes a little
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  • [07:43:54] <mranostay> i swear people can't handle rain in CA
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  • [07:44:54] <dm8tbr> I guess snow would be hilarious then
  • [07:47:33] <mranostay> oh god
  • [07:47:51] <mranostay> these people would need a snow endorsement on the license
  • [07:48:50] <mranostay> dm8tbr: they drive in rain like i would in 6 inchs of snow on the road :)
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  • [08:36:08] <JViz> is there anyway to control the pullup bit of a GPIO from C? i've been noticing that some mode7 pins work and some don't, even if they have the same settings, what's up with that? and how come there are a ton of GPIOs in the omap mux that don't have any corresponding pin on the header? there are way more pins on the cpu than on the header, and they just default to mode 7?
  • [08:38:28] <JViz> is it the active_low path for the pullup?
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  • [08:39:14] <JViz> ah, yes
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  • [08:46:19] <KotH> JViz: stupid question: but isnt it obvious why not all gpio pins are connected to the header pins?
  • [08:48:37] <JViz> KotH, i think so, but I'm fishing
  • [08:54:22] <_av500_> there are always the schematics to look at
  • [08:54:40] <JViz> yeah...
  • [08:54:52] <KotH> that would involve reading and understanding of complicated diagrams with lots of lines
  • [08:55:29] <JViz> it's really just a simple question, with an answer that i probably already knew, like KotH suggested
  • [08:56:19] <JViz> sometimes I get unexpected information in the answers, so it seems like it can't hurt to ask
  • [08:56:27] <KotH> JViz: note that not everyone knows the beagle* from heart, especially not where each and every pin is connected to
  • [08:56:54] <KotH> JViz: unlike with PC development, when you work on a embedded system, you do want to have the schematics at hand all the time
  • [08:57:22] <KotH> JViz: the rest is just writing the correct DT and driver code
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  • [09:06:12] <mranostay> hi KotH!
  • [09:06:22] <mranostay> do i look like a TRM?
  • [09:06:25] <KotH> gr?ezi mranostay
  • [09:06:33] <KotH> mranostay: no, but av500 does
  • [09:06:51] <Russ> mranostay, you do seem a bit thick
  • [09:08:36] * mranostay steps on scale
  • [09:08:40] <mranostay> only 160
  • [09:08:58] <Russ> that's about how much the TRM weighs
  • [09:09:15] <KotH> 160kg?
  • [09:09:19] <KotH> that's HEAVY!
  • [09:09:29] <Russ> this is 'merica!
  • [09:09:48] <KotH> oh.. sorry, i forgot that you measure everything with your feet
  • [09:09:49] <Russ> hogsheads and pounds here
  • [09:13:58] <KotH> Russ: what's the time frame for the US to drop their old measurement system and join the rest of the world?
  • [09:16:30] <dm8tbr> officially they did, just someone forgot to tell the people
  • [09:34:29] <_av500_> KotH: a manned mars mission to go wrong
  • [09:35:43] <woglinde> av500 wrong tools for repairing?
  • [09:36:07] <_av500_> woglinde: well, they slammed a probe into mars due to some conflicting measurement
  • [09:36:22] <_av500_> dont want that to happen to that celebrity crew
  • [09:36:54] <_av500_> they can always take a monkey wrench
  • [09:36:59] <koen> oh dear
  • [09:37:02] <koen> "embedded udev"
  • [09:37:03] <KotH> they slammed it into ground, because part of the work was done by a european contractor who did everything in SI units, then converted it to feet... the nasa later converted the data again to feet, to scramble all the data :)
  • [09:37:12] <koen> name suggested by a ubuntu developer
  • [09:37:19] <koen> this gets better and better
  • [09:37:29] <_av500_> would it not be umbuddud uduv thaen?
  • [09:37:31] <KotH> koen: it's embedded in the system
  • [09:37:39] <_av500_> koen: where?
  • [09:38:00] <_av500_> umbuddudu
  • [09:38:05] <dm8tbr> why not embedd udev in the kernel while they're at it...
  • [09:38:06] <koen> https://github.com/gentoo/eudev
  • [09:38:18] <_av500_> dm8tbr: it will be
  • [09:38:19] <koen> _av500_: eudev is what udev-ng was yesterday
  • [09:38:28] <_av500_> with the systemd merge
  • [09:38:44] <_av500_> after all pid 1 belongs into kernel space
  • [09:38:47] <koen> dm8tbr: funny, the kernel was devtmpfs, so far what most people use 'udev' for, it's already in the kernel :)
  • [09:38:50] <dm8tbr> _av500_: after LP ousts Linux as the kernel lead?
  • [09:39:01] <koen> s/was/has/
  • [09:39:20] <dm8tbr> s/Linux/Linus/
  • [09:39:41] <_av500_> do I look like sed to you?
  • [09:40:44] <KotH> why dont we just go back an reintroduce devfs?
  • [09:40:46] <_av500_> i dont see anything in udev that gconf could not handle.....
  • [09:40:49] <KotH> it did work fine after all! :)
  • [09:40:54] <_av500_> so whats the fuzz
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  • [09:46:31] <_av500_> koen: did you spot felipe these?
  • [09:46:34] <_av500_> there*
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  • [09:48:11] <koen> _av500_: where?
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  • [09:58:23] <_av500_> https://github.com/gentoo/eudev/commit/b0d2945b5b387feea20c43f74914177c4f74f1ed
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  • [10:09:05] <KotH> who is that?
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  • [10:23:02] <muhoo> something that weighs 20 stone
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  • [10:32:40] <KotH> can someone explain me why everyone thinks that apple is innovative?
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  • [10:34:54] <dm8tbr> marketing
  • [10:35:54] <KotH> marketing cannot explain how an attribute comes out of thin air, especially if this attributed by intelligent people
  • [10:47:01] <koen> KotH: maybe because of all the copycats?
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  • [10:58:38] <KotH> koen: i dont see much copying either
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  • [11:01:00] <KotH> koen: the two good ideas that apple had was using a big screen as control for the whole phone (and i'm not sure whether they didnt actually copy that from someone else) and using a gui design that fits this new user interface and connects people in a more concrete way to what they are doing
  • [11:01:20] <KotH> everything else is just product design
  • [11:01:27] <KotH> and they are not very innovative at that...
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  • [11:31:03] <koen> mru: avresample is 0.9.x only, right?
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  • [11:31:21] <mru> there is no 0.9
  • [11:31:44] <koen> KotH: I think it's being perceived as first and then seeing every cheap china shop making knockoffs
  • [11:31:51] <koen> mru: master branch
  • [11:32:04] <koen> mru: I have trouble finding it in releases/0.8 :)
  • [11:32:42] <koen> google leads me to some 5 year old moaning about ffmtech sponsoring
  • [11:32:47] <mru> KotH: apple were not the first to make a touchscreen phone
  • [11:33:05] <mru> they were the first to make a popular one
  • [11:33:11] <mru> possibly also the first usable one
  • [11:33:56] <mru> koen: then I guess it's not there
  • [11:34:13] <koen> mru: ok, thanks
  • [11:34:33] <mru> git says it was added after 0.8
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  • [11:34:59] * koen stabs xbmc again
  • [11:35:11] <mru> there's something we agree on
  • [11:35:50] <koen> I'm tempted to just roll back to frodo
  • [11:35:55] <koen> that one at least crosscompiles
  • [11:37:05] <koen> I just git cloned libav
  • [11:37:15] <koen> and did ./configure && make && make install
  • [11:37:20] <koen> and it just fucking worked
  • [11:37:34] <mru> that's how we roll
  • [11:37:38] <koen> yes
  • [11:37:48] <koen> but all the other "multimedia" project aren't like that
  • [11:37:56] <mru> s/multimedia//
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  • [12:33:03] <KotH> mru: yappari
  • [12:33:10] <mru> ?
  • [12:33:12] <KotH> koen: not every project has an mru
  • [12:33:20] <KotH> mru: japanese for "thought so"
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  • [12:45:18] <_av500_> KotH: at least they are very successful at not being innovative
  • [12:45:31] <_av500_> thats innovation too maybe
  • [12:46:01] <mru> they innovate in litigation techniques
  • [12:46:27] <_av500_> no
  • [12:46:33] <_av500_> not even that
  • [12:47:34] <_av500_> in the end, the iphone was just the most successful of all the many touchscreen only smartphone that came out at the same time because the idea was so obvious
  • [12:48:02] <mru> apple did one thing right back then compared to some others
  • [12:48:17] <mru> they limited the functionality to what could be done smoothly on the hardware available
  • [12:48:48] <mru> especially the winphones tried to cram way too much onto too small a device
  • [12:48:49] <_av500_> and cared about the overall experience of the user
  • [12:48:54] <_av500_> same as for ipod
  • [12:49:09] <_av500_> ever used nokia sync sw?
  • [12:49:18] <mru> no
  • [12:49:21] <_av500_> good
  • [12:49:23] <mru> tried once, didn't work
  • [12:49:26] <mru> thus not used
  • [12:49:49] <KotH> _av500_: used once, to get the data out of my last nokia phone
  • [12:50:00] <_av500_> :)
  • [12:50:32] <mru> I think I actually managed to bluetooth the contact list to the android phone
  • [12:50:50] <_av500_> my contacts and the grainy vga camera pics are still "trapped" inside my nokia
  • [12:50:56] <_av500_> TRAPPED!
  • [12:51:25] <mru> my nokia has an sd card so there's always that option to get stuff off it
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  • [13:40:48] <koen> wtf
  • [13:40:52] <koen> xbmc needs java?!?!?
  • [13:44:06] <w|zzy> bull?
  • [13:44:15] <w|zzy> thats ridiculous
  • [13:44:34] <koen> Checking for a jre installation
  • [13:44:34] <koen> checking for java... none
  • [13:44:34] <koen> configure: error: Could not find a required program. Please see the README for your platform.
  • [13:44:37] <koen> root@fri2:/usr/src/xbmc#
  • [13:44:58] <w|zzy> damn. Wonder what part of it.
  • [13:45:55] <mru> probably some highly optional part that you'd never, ever end up needing
  • [13:47:33] <w|zzy> yeah
  • [13:48:36] <dm8tbr> configure --disable-all-obscure-cruft
  • [13:54:20] * koen runs git blame
  • [13:56:07] <mru> ln -s /bin/true java
  • [13:56:44] <koen> it checks for output
  • [13:56:48] <koen> I tried that already :)
  • [13:56:59] <mru> then fake the output it wants
  • [13:57:15] <_av500_> koen: fork the project and remove that complex stuff
  • [13:57:19] <_av500_> uxbmc
  • [13:57:26] <_av500_> er, exbmc
  • [13:58:08] <koen> exbmc-ng 2000
  • [13:58:23] * koen hugs git grep
  • [13:58:57] <koen> JAVA_EXE is not used at all according to git grep
  • [13:59:03] * koen follows _av500_s advice
  • [13:59:18] * _av500_ suspects its just one more buzzword for xbmc t-shirts
  • [14:00:42] <koen> External FFmpeg: Yes
  • [14:00:52] <koen> it's up to make now
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  • [14:08:40] <_av500_> just turn of the targeting computer and use the force
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  • [15:41:35] <_av500_> the entertainment value here is low today!
  • [15:41:39] <_av500_> try harder!
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  • [16:05:59] <KotH> _av500_: you could start with explaining me why the usians feel so insecure about their government and their "democracy"
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  • [16:09:26] <_av500_> oh my
  • [16:12:49] <emeb_mac> why would _av500_ know about that?
  • [16:13:08] <mru> he could guess
  • [16:13:16] <mru> after all, that's what we do here
  • [16:13:27] <emeb_mac> but it's professional guessing.
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  • [16:14:48] <_av500_> KotH: basically "democracy" is for whimps
  • [16:15:54] * KotH feels like whimp
  • [16:16:31] <emeb_mac> what kind of "cracy" does the ??bermensch subscribe to?
  • [16:16:53] <mru> ??berocracy
  • [16:17:27] <emeb_mac> sounds like a medical condition
  • [16:17:53] <mru> related to megalomania?
  • [16:18:35] <emeb_mac> same thing we do every day pinky.
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  • [21:24:36] <mru> lol, shitty tv show episodes set in sweden are always hilarious
  • [21:25:19] <mru> hint: don't put US-style power sockets on a set supposed to be a house in sweden
  • [21:27:40] <dm8tbr> also all those people speaking accent free english...
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  • [21:28:24] <mru> well, I could just about accept the people they're meeting being fluent in english
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  • [21:28:36] <mru> it's the absolutely rubbish _swedish_ that's really funny
  • [21:28:36] <woglinde> mru where are you?
  • [21:28:45] <mru> woglinde: I'm swedish
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  • [21:28:57] <mru> don't live there though
  • [21:28:58] <woglinde> ah okay
  • [21:29:10] <dm8tbr> oh yeah the 'gibberish local speak' in all its absurd forms...
  • [21:29:51] <mru> the episode I was watching just now at least managed to get some shots from the right airport
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  • [21:30:15] <dm8tbr> not a TV series, but I have to commend 'iron sky' for getting all their stuff right in that respect
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  • [21:30:47] <mru> something I saw once had hilariously misspelled signs throughout stockholm
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  • [22:06:47] <mranostay> mru: you guys have TV?
  • [22:07:01] <mru> who guys?
  • [22:07:01] <mranostay> dm8tbr: accent free English?
  • [22:07:23] <mranostay> Swedish tv programs
  • [22:07:50] <mru> I'm talking about american tv shows with the odd episode for whatever reason set in stockholm
  • [22:08:17] <mru> swedish shows tend to get the details of being in sweden right
  • [22:08:23] <mranostay> good point
  • [22:08:28] <mru> perhaps because they film in sweden with swedish actors...
  • [22:08:46] <mranostay> then they aren't expecting OCD nerds looking over the set :)
  • [22:09:01] <mru> I'm talking about _glaring_ errors
  • [22:09:40] <mru> I didn't say anything about the light switches being of a style never found in sweden
  • [22:09:50] <mru> but quite common in the us
  • [22:10:09] <mru> getting the power sockets wrong is just unforgivable
  • [22:17:51] <mranostay> the humanity
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  • [22:22:05] <emeb_mac> mru: which show?
  • [22:22:20] <mru> I've seen it in many
  • [22:22:30] <mru> can't remember the names of all
  • [22:22:37] <mranostay> how often is Sweden in the part of a US TV show?
  • [22:22:40] <emeb_mac> can't recall that many US shows set in sweden.
  • [22:22:49] <mru> emeb_mac: not entire shows
  • [22:23:00] <mranostay> emeb_mac: i can't think of any parts even
  • [22:23:01] <mru> but once in a while there's the odd episode
  • [22:23:20] <emeb_mac> mru: OK - just episodes or segments.
  • [22:23:55] <emeb_mac> abut the only shows I've seen lately are the Branagh Wallanders
  • [22:24:09] <emeb_mac> but I don't think those are US produced.
  • [22:24:19] <mranostay> the what what?
  • [22:24:20] <mru> the original is swedish, then there's a us knockoff
  • [22:24:48] <mru> made it through half the first episode of the swedish one before turning it off
  • [22:25:24] <emeb_mac> they did a recent ep in Riga, Latvia which was really shot in Riga. At least looked like the Riga I remember.
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  • [22:26:17] <mranostay> mru: Sweden isn't in the EU correct?
  • [22:26:21] <mru> it is
  • [22:26:26] <mru> but not the euro
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  • [22:27:24] <mranostay> mru: good bet there atm :)
  • [22:27:38] <mru> you know how when introducing a city they usually show some footage of the skyline with a caption before getting to the action?
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  • [22:28:07] <mranostay> yes
  • [22:28:10] <mru> I once saw a scene like that for barcelona, except the footage they showed was clearly stockholm
  • [22:28:30] <emeb_mac> those europeans - all look the same.
  • [22:28:47] <mru> barcelona and stockholm don't look particularly alike
  • [22:29:03] <mranostay> do the 5 minute sun test
  • [22:29:03] <emeb_mac> speaking gobbledygook moon-man languages. All those old buildings.
  • [22:29:24] <mranostay> emeb_mac: spanish is easy compared to Swedish :)
  • [22:29:43] <mru> depends on what you already speak
  • [22:29:50] <emeb_mac> should just tear 'em down and put in some nice freeways and housing developments. Name 'em "San - something"
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  • [22:30:10] <mru> emeb_mac: why? we already have california for that
  • [22:30:27] <mru> oh wait, you said _nice_ freeways
  • [22:30:38] <emeb_mac> mru: there's not enough california in the world. It must creep in everywhere like mold.
  • [22:31:37] * emeb_mac is showing his cynicism today.
  • [22:31:59] <mru> you call that cynicism?
  • [22:32:19] <emeb_mac> I'm sure there are those who could out-do me on that.
  • [22:33:12] <mranostay> heh
  • [22:35:16] <emeb_mac> Americans aren't too picky on foreign locations. We've been told for years that various parts of Vancouver, BC are, well, pretty much everywhere.
  • [22:35:27] <mranostay> mru: oh right it was Norway that is the weird non-EU country
  • [22:35:41] <mru> mranostay: and switzerland
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  • [22:36:03] <mranostay> well that one is understandable
  • [22:36:09] <emeb_mac> probably both pretty smug these days.
  • [22:36:43] <mru> emeb_mac: I'm fine with filming somewhere other than the actual location if it looks plausible given the script
  • [22:37:05] <mru> like if a scene is in a forest, it doesn't really matter what forest you film it in
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  • [22:37:22] <mru> if the vegetation is roughly the correct one
  • [22:37:34] <mranostay> ah part of the schengen area even
  • [22:37:50] <mru> both norway and switzerland are part of that
  • [22:38:00] <mru> as well as the EEA
  • [22:38:47] <mranostay> EEA?
  • [22:38:54] <mru> european economic area
  • [22:39:00] <mranostay> ah right
  • [22:39:01] <mru> a "free" trade thing
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  • [22:39:20] <mranostay> mru: i like the term 'free' in free trade :)
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  • [22:42:29] <mranostay> mru: so what is there to see in Stockholm?
  • [22:42:41] <mru> girls!
  • [22:44:18] <mranostay> are they different than any other city i've been too?
  • [22:44:31] <mru> they're swedish for the most part
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  • [22:49:08] <woglinde> swedish girls are all blond
  • [22:49:14] <mru> that's a lie
  • [22:49:20] <woglinde> ;)
  • [22:49:51] <woglinde> than good nite
  • [22:51:06] <thurbad> heh
  • [22:51:30] <thurbad> the non blondes were plunder :P
  • [22:51:48] <mru> that was over 1000 years ago
  • [22:51:56] <mru> I think they're rather assimilated by now
  • [22:52:03] <thurbad> but you did't deny it :)
  • [22:52:11] <thurbad> lamo
  • [22:52:27] <thurbad> just pulling your leg anyway
  • [22:52:43] <mru> for all I know they were
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