• [00:00:28] <mdp> nobody passed a law requiring an eeprom on a design
  • [00:00:59] <ds2> other then the provided code does
  • [00:02:25] <mdp> that's just silly
  • [00:02:50] <ds2> anyways... I'll wait for working PM
  • [00:03:22] <mdp> I hear our s/w team in india is working on it
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  • [00:03:53] <ds2> last I heard, there is a fatal silicon bug
  • [00:04:05] <mdp> dunno, not in the loop
  • [00:04:48] <ds2> I'll stick with the 35x or 37x for the time being
  • [00:06:33] <mdp> anything could have a fatal silicon bug, I suppose
  • [00:06:36] <mdp> who knows
  • [00:07:43] <ds2> *nod*
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  • [06:28:43] <_av500_> west coast trolls all asleep?
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  • [06:30:57] <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: on the east coast we troll.
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  • [11:00:25] <jkridner> gm all
  • [11:00:39] <av500> gm one
  • [11:01:10] <koen> hey jkridner
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  • [11:02:38] <mdp> mourning
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  • [11:14:28] <ant_work> koen: pls try to push the two meta-initramfs patches, thx. I'd have also a new kexecboot 3.4 kernel but yocto-tiny_3.4 is not in 1.3 so I'd wait
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  • [11:27:50] <woglinde> hiho
  • [11:29:08] <woglinde> haha funny lance armstrong bug
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  • [11:55:58] <jkridner> koen: trying to recall where I got last night...
  • [11:56:05] <jkridner> got some HDMI patches installed.
  • [11:56:23] <jkridner> haven't added the DT support for them.
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  • [11:56:32] <jkridner> er, not installed... applied.
  • [11:56:42] <jkridner> pushed it to my fork.
  • [11:57:23] <jkridner> worked around EEPROM not being programmed by hacking the EEPROM dependencies out of u-boot.
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  • [11:57:41] <jkridner> hmmm...
  • [11:57:49] <Crofton|work> you made him angry
  • [11:57:58] <jkridner> apparently.
  • [11:58:01] <Crofton|work> _av500_, what was the user ranting about
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  • [11:59:05] <Crofton|work> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oolHYPGPTmM
  • [11:59:19] <av500> Crofton|work: badly worded error messages
  • [11:59:34] <av500> in "hob", whatever that is
  • [11:59:59] <av500> the fact that the error msg said "you need X" when the real error was "you need version Y.Z of X"
  • [12:00:25] <Crofton|work> apparently a hob is something about an English stove
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  • [12:03:22] <koen> Crofton|work: it's the top cooking surface on a stove
  • [12:03:45] <koen> 'stovetop' in US english
  • [12:04:11] <mdp> jkridner, programming the eeprom would have been another option
  • [12:04:40] <jkridner> mdp: couldn't figure easier way to do that...
  • [12:04:53] <jkridner> I figured easiest way was to hack u-boot and get into Linux to program the EEPROM...
  • [12:05:04] <jkridner> of course, now I have less motivation to complete the programming step.
  • [12:05:20] <jkridner> koen: did I scare you off?
  • [12:05:22] <mdp> the u-boot i2c commands worked for me
  • [12:05:42] <jkridner> mdp: yeah... those require hacking u-boot.
  • [12:05:48] <jkridner> which is all I did.
  • [12:05:49] <mdp> but whatever works is always a good way to do things ;)
  • [12:07:05] <Crofton|work> arg, where did the riotig post gop
  • [12:07:55] <jkridner> koen: does 'make dtbs' do the trick of appending the DT?
  • [12:08:18] * mdp covers his ears
  • [12:08:37] <av500> lalalalala
  • [12:09:00] <jkridner> or, do I need to 'make uImage-dtb'
  • [12:09:07] <mdp> av500, nobody wants a repeat of yesterday's rants ;)
  • [12:09:08] * jkridner feels like he just asked a FAQ
  • [12:09:23] <av500> mdp: its all in my scroll buffer
  • [12:09:26] <jkridner> k.
  • [12:09:29] <av500> should I resend?
  • [12:09:52] <jkridner> BeagleBot can tell me.
  • [12:11:54] <mdp> jkridner, in summary, you have the option to simply load the dtb separately in u-boot
  • [12:12:03] <mdp> it's smart and will pass it
  • [12:12:03] <jkridner> k, so the rant was just about if it is a good idea.... I agree it is not a good idea to ship an appended image.
  • [12:12:19] <jkridner> but, it is handy.
  • [12:12:37] <jkridner> I don't want to spend my bring-up time trying to debug passing in my DT.
  • [12:12:46] <mdp> it's a standard feature
  • [12:13:00] <koen> jkridner: check the README.md in kernel.git
  • [12:13:12] <koen> it has something very close to exact steps
  • [12:13:18] <mdp> my devel set up either loads from /tftpboot or mmc..pretty trivial
  • [12:13:51] <jkridner> fine. you got me lazy with the uImage-dtb yesterday
  • [12:15:09] <jkridner> koen: I'm using vanilla u-boot. anything keeping Angstrom from using it vanilla except for boot-time patches?
  • [12:15:33] <mdp> tftpboot ${loadaddr} uImage.bone2;tftpboot ${fdtaddr} am335x-bone2.dtb;bootm ${loadaddr} - ${fdtaddr}
  • [12:15:59] <av500> mdp: works if we ship each bone with a PC :)
  • [12:16:14] <koen> jkridner: jsut the boottime patches
  • [12:16:21] <koen> jkridner: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/dt/
  • [12:16:30] <mdp> av500, we have the chromebook running chrbuntu now!
  • [12:16:31] <koen> jkridner: for regular bone, that is vanilla uboot + xip patch
  • [12:16:34] <jkridner> are you moving to meta-beagleboard anytime soon?
  • [12:16:44] <koen> jkridner: this xip approach was shot down, but it does save us ~1s
  • [12:16:51] <mdp> av500, s/tftpboot/fatload/ :P
  • [12:16:55] <koen> jkridner: give me 48 hours in a day first
  • [12:17:15] <av500> a second saved is a second earned
  • [12:17:22] <jkridner> no worries if it doesn't happen any time soon...
  • [12:17:25] <mdp> just don't reboot
  • [12:17:27] <jkridner> just wondering if I should be on-watch for it.
  • [12:17:43] <koen> jkridner: and bring me the head of the TI person that recommended using an aptina sensor for the QL cape
  • [12:18:04] <mdp> koen, I'm hoping my latest news means I get to dodge the bullet ;)
  • [12:18:18] <av500> koen: firsrt I get the head of the guy that proposed the sensor on the blaze
  • [12:18:34] <av500> the very same sensor that was in the new ipad
  • [12:18:40] <av500> that you just could not buy...
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  • [12:19:48] <mdp> koen, it was probably the same decision process that led to the nxp hdmi transmitter selection
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  • [12:20:22] <mdp> "our agent in shenzhen found an entire van-full of these parts for cheap!!!"
  • [12:21:11] <jkridner> where do I find things like the name for the .dtb file that gets loaded?
  • [12:21:30] <jkridner> ${devtree} doesn't tell me much.
  • [12:21:34] <av500> mdp: unlikey
  • [12:21:38] <av500> unlikely
  • [12:21:40] <jkridner> I'll start looking through u-boot source. :-/
  • [12:21:43] <koen> jkridner: type 'printenv' in the uboot console
  • [12:22:23] <mdp> jkridner, u-boot inherently knows the dtb name now?
  • [12:22:35] <koen> jkridner: or you know, read the README.md in kernel.git, it's stated there
  • [12:22:49] <koen> I wonder why I called it README
  • [12:22:56] <jkridner> README only gives 1 name.
  • [12:23:06] <mdp> you called it README.md not README
  • [12:23:22] <koen> jkridner: ext2load mmc ${mmcdev}:2 ${fdtaddr} ${devtree}
  • [12:23:26] <koen> jkridner: that's in README.md
  • [12:23:43] <jkridner> yeah, I could see from that ${devtree}
  • [12:24:13] <koen> jkridner: one line up: devtree=/boot/am335x-bone.dtb
  • [12:24:31] <koen> so now you know the name of the file that gets loaded
  • [12:24:39] <jkridner> well, there you go. that isn't in the README.md
  • [12:24:51] * mdp files an IR
  • [12:25:01] <koen> jkridner: ehm
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  • [12:25:06] <koen> jkridner: I urge you to check again
  • [12:25:52] <koen> jkridner: line 28 and line 36
  • [12:25:56] <av500> can you two take that to a private channel?
  • [12:26:04] <mdp> exact steps!
  • [12:26:21] <jkridner> I'm not seeing on https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/blob/3.7/README.md
  • [12:26:31] <jkridner> anyway, I see.
  • [12:26:50] <koen> 93019025 (Koen Kooi 2012-10-17 08:42:32 +0200 28) ```devtree=/boot/am335x-bone.dtb
  • [12:28:06] <koen> ah
  • [12:28:09] <koen> markdown fail
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  • [12:54:55] <woglinde> mdp why?
  • [12:55:09] <mdp> I needed it...and it's so elegant
  • [12:55:17] <mdp> makes me want to cry
  • [12:55:25] <woglinde> timing
  • [12:55:26] <woglinde> s
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  • [12:55:53] <mdp> it means one less hack
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  • [13:12:35] <SilicaGel> I ordered circuit boards for my four-channel zigbee 120V christmast light controller last night. ChristmasBone here we come!
  • [13:15:19] <av500> \o/
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  • [13:17:00] <ynezz> picture or it's fake
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  • [13:17:57] <woglinde> silicalgel with javafx gui?
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  • [13:51:35] <jkridner> hmm... I'm getting a "data abort" error from u-boot now.
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  • [13:54:17] <ynezz> well, better then nothing
  • [13:54:32] <koen> jkridner: regular bone or ddr3 one?
  • [13:55:35] <jkridner> ddr3 one... I figured that I was using a wrong bootcmd, because kloadaddr isn't defined under my vanilla u-boot.
  • [13:56:33] <koen> README.md has a sample uenvt.text for vanilla uboot as well
  • [13:57:23] <koen> jkridner: I get the same data abort, I use an appended DT as a stopgap for that
  • [13:57:43] <koen> jkridner: only on the ddr3 board, though
  • [13:58:42] <jkridner> I figured out the missing var, but now I'm getting a "data error" after kernel decompression.
  • [14:01:37] * av500 productizes koen 's stopgap and proves a point :)
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  • [14:02:41] <jkridner> :(
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  • [14:19:12] <jkridner> hmm. :( my kernel still gets the data abort error even with appended DT
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  • [14:28:31] <mdp> ship it
  • [14:29:47] <av500> mdp: ah, finally you see the light of real world customers solutions :)
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  • [14:31:57] <LetoThe2nd> sings "welcome to the real world and the show"
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  • [14:32:20] <LetoThe2nd> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuKwBwYKvKs
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  • [14:35:13] <woglinde> leto running man?
  • [14:35:29] <woglinde> with schwarzenegger?
  • [14:43:36] <LetoThe2nd> woglinde: nah, more like standard german metal.
  • [14:44:49] <LetoThe2nd> woglinde: running man is a classic, though. a pretty good descendent is death race (/w jason statham) in the long cut. :)
  • [14:45:55] <mdp> av500, data abort is about equal to most consumer devices shipped ;)
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  • [14:52:51] <DJJazzyJosh> Can anyone point me to a specification of the BeagleBone for standard power draw under full load without and attached capes?
  • [14:53:11] <av500> define "full load"
  • [14:53:28] <DJJazzyJosh> 100% cpu load let's say
  • [14:53:38] <DJJazzyJosh> or for that matter just idle
  • [14:53:41] <DJJazzyJosh> why get fancy?
  • [14:56:09] <Skry> death race was shit, running man is awesome :)
  • [14:57:14] <av500> no
  • [14:57:20] <koen> running man features 2 US governers as well
  • [14:57:25] <koen> just like predator
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  • [15:01:30] <DJJazzyJosh> okay, I found it- in the manual. Imagine that :-/
  • [15:01:36] <DJJazzyJosh> derp
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  • [15:39:18] <av500> https://www.circuitlab.com/editor/
  • [15:39:23] <av500> http://www.circuits.io/circuits/new
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  • [15:52:21] <louloulou_> I have some problems with my beagle board setup - and I was hoping that this has been solved..
  • [15:52:59] <mru> seems like nobody still has solved the lack of explicit questions
  • [15:52:59] <louloulou_> I have a board that is a Beagle-based design (a copy of the Cx ref design)
  • [15:53:35] <louloulou_> and when the CPU gets heavily loaded I occasionaly get "illegal instruction" errors
  • [15:53:49] <louloulou_> these can ahppen at any time on any program
  • [15:54:06] <louloulou_> for example, ls will sometimes give an illegal instruction
  • [15:54:20] <louloulou_> or top will "segmentation fault"
  • [15:54:30] <louloulou_> This is some weird stuff..
  • [15:54:47] <louloulou_> it feels like a hardware error
  • [15:55:01] <koen> Russ: how is your mite project coming along?
  • [15:55:14] <louloulou_> I have added a ton of bypass caps on the power supply rails - and they look good,, but are at strange voltages..
  • [15:55:56] <XorA> louloulou_: sounds like your voltage scaling is not working
  • [15:56:13] <XorA> louloulou_: or that is a possible cause of that sort of thing
  • [15:56:26] <louloulou_> like 1.3 volts on the vcore 1.3 and 1.0 vols on vcore2
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  • [15:59:50] <louloulou_> how do i adjust the voltage scaling?
  • [16:00:08] <louloulou_> it is all under i2c control
  • [16:00:15] <XorA> its under i2c control
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  • [16:00:30] <louloulou_> is there a deriver or a config file?
  • [16:00:40] <XorA> comes out of the omap on the Smart Reflex I2C port and goes into the PMIC on a dedicated port
  • [16:00:59] <louloulou_> did someone write code for it/
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  • [16:01:01] <louloulou_> ?
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  • [16:01:02] <XorA> there is config somewhere in arch/arm/mach-omap2
  • [16:01:11] <XorA> its working on beagle
  • [16:01:53] <louloulou_> I do not care at all about power savings- can i just put the voltages to max?
  • [16:02:01] <XorA> yes you can
  • [16:02:07] <louloulou_> ok-
  • [16:02:12] <louloulou_> let me look in that dir
  • [16:02:29] <XorA> its easier to do it in u-boot then disable Smart Reflex driver
  • [16:02:46] <XorA> the mach-omap2 stuff gives me a headache
  • [16:03:01] <louloulou_> where is the /arch directory?
  • [16:03:19] <louloulou_> mkay...
  • [16:03:20] <XorA> of course it could be some other issue which means not enough power gets to CPU
  • [16:03:33] <XorA> arch/.... in the linux kerne]
  • [16:03:51] <woglinde> xora overheating maybee too?
  • [16:04:01] <louloulou_> ok -- (i am an idiot) so you cant adjust the voltages with a file mod - you have to recomple kernel?
  • [16:04:06] <louloulou_> or do it in uboot?
  • [16:04:31] <XorA> woglinde: I always assumed hardware guys check that :-D
  • [16:04:41] <woglinde> xora haha
  • [16:04:48] <louloulou_> the die temp is about 160F
  • [16:05:02] <louloulou_> (I wrote code to read the die temp sensor)
  • [16:05:17] <XorA> louloulou_: default beagle config AFAIK enables voltage scaling depending on CPU frequency
  • [16:05:26] <woglinde> till later
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  • [16:05:31] <XorA> louloulou_: you should see vcore1/2 vary with load
  • [16:06:16] <louloulou_> they are not varying - but i think smart reflex is disabled
  • [16:06:35] <louloulou_> so i would assume that they would go to max
  • [16:07:13] <XorA> Im not sure if they stay at u-boot levels or go to max
  • [16:07:45] <XorA> or if u-boot levels are max or some lower value
  • [16:07:57] <louloulou_> how do i do it in uboot?
  • [16:08:01] <louloulou_> i am in it now?
  • [16:08:17] <XorA> louloulou_: read the code, I cant remember off top of head but it should be fairly obvious
  • [16:08:26] * XorA is more used to omap4
  • [16:08:44] <louloulou_> anohter stupid question- is there a memory test i can do in uboot?
  • [16:08:52] <louloulou_> Like the old PC bios mem test
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  • [16:17:49] <Russ> koen, with everything going on, I haven't had time to mess with it other than the opportunity to use the one I have
  • [16:18:08] <Russ> koen, at some point, I'll probably do a respin so I don't have to bit bang i2c
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  • [16:30:08] <louloulou_> ok I am an idiot. Where can I find out how to change the CPU voltage and freq via the /sys/devices/ files?
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  • [16:31:23] <louloulou_> the linux whiz says that buy cat 5000000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed I can put the cpu at 500 mhz
  • [16:31:46] <louloulou_> my question is how the hell did he know this, and where can I go to learn it?
  • [16:31:56] <woglinde> read the source luke
  • [16:32:25] <louloulou_> OK i respect that, but you are telling me to look in the phone book -- is ther an index?
  • [16:32:42] <louloulou_> (where do i start?)
  • [16:33:41] <dm8tbr> there are many nice books on the linux kernel and embedded linux
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  • [16:37:11] <woglinde> dm8tbr and with DT they are all obsolete
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  • [16:42:30] <dm8tbr> woglinde: job security, new books want to be written, printed, sold ...
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  • [16:58:26] <louloulou_> man I am knee deep in u-boot and I dont see anything regarding smart-reflex -- looking in /u-boot/board/ti/beagle/beagle.c
  • [17:02:56] <thurbad_> I thought the smart reflex stuff was all proprietary in an i2c channel that's otherwise inaccessible
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  • [17:11:34] <XorA> louloulou_: I might have lead you down wrong path, maybe what I know is only valid for omap4 :-(
  • [17:16:14] <XorA> louloulou_: its possible the pmic on beagle is already at the correct V for booting
  • [17:16:35] <mranostay> _av500_: no #LeavesOnThursday ?
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  • [17:34:37] <_av500_> ?
  • [17:35:42] <woglinde> lol
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  • [17:48:45] <bradfa> mdp, I found my Ethernet LED problem - am335x PRM_DEVICE.RSTTIME1 register sets RSTTIME1 bitfield to 06 and that is too short of a time to reset the PHY, the PHY effectively debounces the reset signal, increasing the time to 0xFF causes the PHY to warm reset properly
  • [17:56:24] <devfunks> what version of u-boot should I run for beaglebone? I just tried compiling mainline and it won't load for me.
  • [17:56:53] <bradfa> devfunks, 2012.10 mainline works well
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  • [17:57:06] <devfunks> ok- maybe i did something wrong then
  • [17:57:19] <bradfa> are you using am335x_evm_config ?
  • [17:57:39] <devfunks> no i used omap3_beagle_config
  • [17:57:54] <bradfa> am335x_evm_config is for beaglebone
  • [17:57:59] <devfunks> thanks :)
  • [17:58:00] <bradfa> omap3_beagle_config is for beagle and xM
  • [17:58:05] <devfunks> gotcha
  • [17:58:18] <bradfa> if things were clear then it wouldn't be fun :)
  • [17:58:39] <devfunks> haha, definitely wouldn't learn anything if it was plug-n-play
  • [17:59:14] <mru> why do people insist on using a canned config at all?
  • [18:01:37] <alan_o> mru: because for for some, it's nice to at least start with something that works. For beginners, it's nearly mandatory.
  • [18:01:47] <alan_o> I like to start with what works, and then proceed to break it from there.
  • [18:02:10] <mru> alan_o: I've never seen a canned config that worked for me
  • [18:02:26] <alan_o> and that's definitely a problem.
  • [18:02:44] <alan_o> They get out of date unfortunately.
  • [18:03:04] <alan_o> The ones in koen's 3.6 and 3.7 are good. Those are what I started with.
  • [18:03:51] <mru> they're not just out of date
  • [18:03:57] <mru> they're plain wrong for what I want to do
  • [18:04:32] <alan_o> I'm sure patches would be welcomed by those maintainers.
  • [18:04:47] <alan_o> Especially from someone who knows what he's doing.
  • [18:05:03] <bradfa> mru, do you suggest not starting with a canned config for u-boot?
  • [18:06:26] <mru> as a starting point they can be useful
  • [18:06:27] <devfunks> bradfa: where can I find the am335x_evm_config?
  • [18:06:34] <mru> to get the basic requirements set
  • [18:06:47] <bradfa> devfunks, if you look in boards.cfg the target is called "am335x_evm"
  • [18:07:16] <bradfa> the config is in include/configs/am335x_evm.h
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  • [18:15:57] <devfunks> i must have checked out the wrong branch or something because I can't find it anywhere
  • [18:16:31] <mdp> master is generally the default
  • [18:16:48] <devfunks> i'm on 3.7
  • [18:17:01] <mdp> bradfa: fascinating
  • [18:17:27] <mdp> devfunks: I thought you were still talking about u-boot..that's what bradfa is referencing above
  • [18:19:04] <devfunks> oh sorry, I am.. I couldn't find it in mainline u-boot so I was looking in my beagleboard checkout
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  • [18:19:45] <bradfa> devfunks, if you checkout u-boot tag 2012.10 it's there, believe me :)
  • [18:20:18] <bradfa> mdp, now I'm trying to find somewhere in u-boot setup to stick a write to that register to set it
  • [18:20:29] <devfunks> k
  • [18:20:38] <devfunks> i basically followed http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#U-Boot
  • [18:20:41] <mdp> it's even in master too
  • [18:21:04] <bradfa> well, ok, if you insist, yes, it's in master too :)
  • [18:21:21] <mdp> I hope you didn't use "Steve's Beagle U-Boot" repo ;)
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  • [18:22:06] <mdp> fun stuff...x-loader references..lots of things that aren't useful any longer
  • [18:22:14] <bradfa> https://github.com/bradfa/u-boot/blob/mainline/include/configs/am335x_evm.h <- there it is! :)
  • [18:22:17] <mdp> TI should really update their docs
  • [18:22:23] <bradfa> TI has docs?
  • [18:22:46] <bradfa> mdp, is it in sprzbarf89.pdf?
  • [18:22:51] <bradfa> :)
  • [18:23:23] <alan_o> docs? This is a community board. You'll read the source and like it
  • [18:24:02] <mranostay> and follow the traces to understand :P
  • [18:24:10] <mdp> beagleboard.org points to elinux wiki as the canonical source of info
  • [18:24:30] <mdp> not to be confused with Canonical! :P
  • [18:24:39] <mru> mranostay: I went to #rpi and found no trace of understanding
  • [18:25:07] <mranostay> heh no nodejs for powerpc.
  • [18:25:13] <mdp> bradfa, nm, that wiki is only for "BeagleBoard and BeagleBoard-xM wiki"
  • [18:25:15] <devfunks> thanks bradfa
  • [18:25:50] <mru> there's a wiki for the wiki?
  • [18:26:13] <mdp> mru, I'm so confused!
  • [18:26:58] * mranostay is probably going to hear not being able to run nodejs on powerpc as a "limitation" today :)
  • [18:27:07] <mranostay> mru: can i borrow the cluebat?
  • [18:27:16] <ds2> Hmmmmmm imx6 Hmmmmmm
  • [18:27:38] * mdp reminded of cubieboard.
  • [18:27:51] <mdp> anybody here order a cubieboard?
  • [18:27:51] <mru> clubieboard?
  • [18:28:14] <mru> mranostay: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-H8_IN0R8q5s/Ti1ck1Lj7ZI/AAAAAAAAAD0/7f9URI0Rq7w/s0/
  • [18:28:25] <mdp> I was considering going hands on with our future SoC overlords
  • [18:29:21] <mru> amazon was it?
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  • [18:30:23] <mranostay> mdp: ddr3 that is nice
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  • [18:31:19] <mdp> mru, not that overlord, the allwinner overlords
  • [18:32:03] <mru> I just can't make myself take anything with such a name seriously
  • [18:32:54] <ds2> wonder if it is pincompatible with the 33x
  • [18:32:57] <mdp> I suppose having awesome WM running on turbolinux on the allwinner a10 would be the naming trifecta win
  • [18:33:54] <mdp> mru, the name does betray the geographical origin now doesn't it?
  • [18:35:24] <mdp> mranostay, jkridner was working on a ddr3 board earlier...I wonder what that means?
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  • [18:36:05] <mranostay> worst keep secret board? :)
  • [18:36:16] <mdp> that's sekrit to you, sir
  • [18:36:18] <mranostay> *kept
  • [18:36:44] <mranostay> well sorry i see the u-boot commits. :)
  • [18:38:57] <mdp> I've recommended we terminate this FOSS experiment because of that
  • [18:43:32] <_av500_> allwinner is awesome
  • [18:43:46] <_av500_> get it quick before the company names changes again
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  • [18:54:52] <alan_o> mranostay: a limitation of node.js? I'd agree....
  • [18:55:25] <alan_o> at your day job, what would you say it is that you do?
  • [18:56:58] <kroon> I'm writing an application for the Beagleboard xM, I use the framebuffer for graphics and a USB touchscreen in /dev/input/event1 for input. How do I deal with the calibration of the touchscreen, is that supposed to be done at the application layer or the kernel layer ?
  • [18:57:33] <woglinde> kroon I would use qt
  • [18:58:03] <mranostay> alan_o: well i know i'm going to hear limitation of powerpc :)
  • [18:58:27] <mdp> mranostay, there are no limitations for powerpc
  • [18:58:41] <djlewis> hmm
  • [18:58:42] <alan_o> Send mdp into your meeting.
  • [18:59:01] <mdp> slideware and some handwaving fixes things in meetings
  • [18:59:29] <alan_o> Is that really a thing though? Node won't compile/run on ppc linux?
  • [18:59:38] <mranostay> alan_o: v8 doesn't
  • [18:59:53] * mranostay wonders why magic V8 is really doing
  • [19:00:03] <alan_o> endiannes?
  • [19:00:25] <alan_o> I have to say, even the node website is funny
  • [19:00:39] <alan_o> All the things from that parody video are basically above-the-fold
  • [19:00:51] <alan_o> Then the microsoft quote. yikes.....
  • [19:01:12] <alan_o> Then on the download page, if you download the source, the mime type is screwed up and it wants to open in gedit
  • [19:01:23] <mdp> mranostay, when discussing powerpc related things, you must drop the phrase "boundedly undefined" once in a while and people will nod their heads
  • [19:01:33] <alan_o> pretty good webserver setup for a site that's peddling a webserver.....
  • [19:02:12] <mranostay> mdp: "why did't we switch to a better platform like x86"
  • [19:02:21] <mranostay> i heard that one :)..........
  • [19:02:37] <mdp> probably because tlbmiss is there and won't allow a switch away from powerpc
  • [19:03:29] <alan_o> mranostay: So it sounds like this place is a significant step down from your previous employer
  • [19:03:43] <mdp> alan_o, that is not possible.
  • [19:04:19] <mranostay> hehe no comment in any case
  • [19:04:31] <alan_o> mdp: really? I only know one guy from the previous place. Maybe I don't have enough data points.
  • [19:04:35] <mdp> mranostay, you know what I say is true. ;)
  • [19:04:57] <mranostay> alan_o: was he/she stuck in Mobile, AL? :)
  • [19:05:08] <alan_o> hmm.....
  • [19:05:17] <mdp> mranostay, it was bad enough working remote for them
  • [19:05:28] <alan_o> mranostay: not sure... I can check.
  • [19:05:42] <mranostay> alan_o: russian guy? :)
  • [19:05:50] <mdp> alan_o, I know a ton of people since we all went in the acquisition ;)
  • [19:06:31] <alan_o> I don't really know him very well. Just met at ELC. He gave off competence. I decided I like him.
  • [19:06:35] <mdp> lots of happy people
  • [19:07:05] <mdp> that sounds like a linkedin skill
  • [19:07:13] <mdp> "emanates competence"
  • [19:07:25] <alan_o> It true. It should be.
  • [19:07:47] <mdp> "feigns competence"
  • [19:07:51] <alan_o> You know how when you meet someone and you can tell pretty quickly whether they know what they're doing or whether they're full of BS?
  • [19:08:40] <alan_o> Paul Graham says good people can sniff one another out. That's either true, or I'm not as good as I think I am :)
  • [19:09:08] <mranostay> how about bad people sniffing bad people out?
  • [19:10:30] <mranostay> heh "Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement"
  • [19:12:14] <alan_o> mranostay: I hadn't thought about bad people sniffing one another out. You'd have to know you're bad first. Is that like 75% of people think they're better than average drivers? (no, I don't want to talk about about medians vs means)
  • [19:12:53] <alan_o> It's probably higher than 75%
  • [19:13:16] <alan_o> If I was a pollster, man we'd have some entertaining polls.
  • [19:13:38] <alan_o> anyway, so mdp, since you don't like mranostay's previous employer...... Who do you think are the top Embedded Linux companies?
  • [19:14:00] <mranostay> are there any left? :)
  • [19:14:00] <alan_o> I don't really know anything about any of them.
  • [19:14:12] <mdp> I don't think there are any top embedded linux companies
  • [19:15:02] <mdp> well, depends on how you define "top"
  • [19:15:08] <alan_o> :)
  • [19:15:10] <XorA> Slimlogic obviously :-)
  • [19:15:37] <mru> alan_o: if good people can sniff one another out, so can stupid people
  • [19:15:39] <mdp> In one method of categorizing, I would say linuxtronix, denx, pengutronix
  • [19:16:20] <alan_o> Maybe (clearly) I just don't know. I always had envisioned those companies being staffed with really smart people. Maybe that's just fantasy. Maybe only a small handful are really good, and those are the ones they send to ELC. :)
  • [19:16:53] <alan_o> So the code on SlimLogic's front page wouldn't make it into the kernel.
  • [19:17:09] <bradfa> mdp, free-electrons make your list?
  • [19:17:21] <alan_o> I like their online content.
  • [19:17:25] <mranostay> heh is this a backslapping thread?
  • [19:17:26] <mru> you guys are forgetting sakoman
  • [19:17:42] <mranostay> can i throw my fake company in? :P
  • [19:17:59] <bradfa> mranostay, only if you continue to break into fire alarms
  • [19:18:08] <XorA> alan_o: I must declare a vested interest in Slimlogic!
  • [19:18:18] <mru> mranostay: do you also set fire to burglar alarms?
  • [19:18:26] <alan_o> XorA: did you write the code on the front page :)
  • [19:18:45] <XorA> alan_o: what code?
  • [19:18:58] <alan_o> in the picture
  • [19:19:00] <alan_o> bottom left
  • [19:19:06] <alan_o> slimlogic.co.uk
  • [19:19:10] <alan_o> that one?
  • [19:19:11] <XorA> I suspect that is from alsalib
  • [19:19:16] <XorA> or libscenario
  • [19:19:45] <alan_o> ah, I just know I'd have gotten told to return from both the if and the else. Maybe it's just the maintainers I submit to
  • [19:19:56] <mdp> bradfa, sure, I just don't know how many qualify as "the top"
  • [19:20:00] <alan_o> It doesn't bother me a bit, but others have preferences :)
  • [19:20:14] <XorA> alan_o: its not kernel as its got fgets in it :-D
  • [19:20:30] <mru> ugh, french spacing
  • [19:20:32] <alan_o> oh hey, there's a blurry fgets up there
  • [19:20:57] <XorA> it also might be some random bit of code the GFX artist nabbed
  • [19:21:12] <bradfa> mdp, how would you even quantify "the top"? Like good places to work or good at contributing to the upstreams? Or good at implementing for customers?
  • [19:21:13] <alan_o> like I said, I'm just busting chops. Looks fine to me. As long as it's not javascript :)
  • [19:21:21] <mru> is it fgets or fgetc?
  • [19:22:19] <XorA> alan_o: unfortuneately I spend too much time coding and upstreaming to keep webpage flowing
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  • [19:23:08] <mdp> bradfa, exactly
  • [19:23:41] <alan_o> XorA: hehe. no doubt. It's far better than my website :) I don't have any stones to throw in that department.
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  • [19:25:33] <sakoman> mru: everybody always forgets me! what are we talking about anyway? I haven't been paying attention ;-)
  • [19:25:51] <mranostay> sakoman: best embedded linux company
  • [19:26:12] <mdp> sakoman: you are on the top embedded linux companies list!
  • [19:26:16] <mdp> congrats
  • [19:26:23] <sakoman> heh, that is funny
  • [19:26:32] <mdp> we are making the list now
  • [19:26:41] <mdp> stay tuned for a Phoronix article on it
  • [19:26:55] <mranostay> sakoman: can we have your bank account number to wire you the prize money :P
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  • [19:29:03] <sakoman> mranostay: cash works much better ;-)
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  • [19:31:19] <mranostay> how about payment in beer?
  • [19:32:07] <woglinde> haha
  • [19:32:09] <sakoman> mranostay: beer works too!
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  • [19:53:53] <mranostay> TIL powerpc is obsolete to x86....
  • [19:54:12] <woglinde> some 10 years
  • [19:54:48] <mranostay> you mean x86 is obsolete, right? :)
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  • [20:01:11] <devfunks> is the beaglebone serial connection ttyO0?
  • [20:01:24] <devfunks> through USB*
  • [20:01:49] <mru> we need to think of a reason to introduce ttyl1 as well
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  • [20:04:12] <Russ> ttfn?
  • [20:04:23] <alan_o> mru: and ttyI1
  • [20:05:26] <alan_o> devfunks: ttyO0 is connected to the FTDI USB chip
  • [20:05:43] <alan_o> That's the default console for u-boot and the kernel.
  • [20:05:50] <devfunks> thanks- just wanted to verify
  • [20:06:18] <devfunks> kinda stuck on what to do... currently hangs on "Starting Kernel ..."
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  • [20:06:30] <alan_o> That's nice
  • [20:06:33] <devfunks> yup
  • [20:06:37] <alan_o> There's a webpage for that
  • [20:07:04] <alan_o> I never remember it
  • [20:10:01] <alan_o> processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Kernel_-_Common_Problems_Booting_Linux
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  • [21:02:40] <mtndew> Hi, I need some help configuring my wireless adapter. I have one working with the r8192s_usb driver. I ordered an ASUS N-10 which I believe should worked based off this link: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#supported-r8192s-usb
  • [21:02:53] <mtndew> However, it does not load the driver when I plug it in.
  • [21:04:18] <woglinde> are you sure the driver is there?
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  • [21:06:05] <mtndew> yes, it works for my old wireless adapter by inland. I tried to get more inland ones for the lab I'm teaching, but they chaned to a ralink chipset.
  • [21:06:10] <mtndew> lsusb does show: 0B05:1786 ASUSTek Computer, Inc.
  • [21:07:44] <mtndew> modules.alias does not have an entry for v0b05p1786
  • [21:08:23] <mtndew> I tried copying a previous r8192s_usb entry and changing the vendor and product numbers but that did not help.
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  • [21:18:28] <mru> I hate PCs
  • [21:22:17] <mtndew> You can relieve some of the stress by helping me fix my beagleboard.
  • [21:23:38] <mru> avoid wifi vendors starting with r
  • [21:23:45] <mru> realtek, ralink, ...
  • [21:25:45] <mtndew> I'll keep that in mind in the future, but unfortunately too late now. Our Angstrom image only has the one wireless driver on it as far as I'm aware. We need something to work with that.
  • [21:26:38] <woglinde> o.O
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  • [21:37:59] <mtndew> I really think I just need to force it to load the driver for that device and it would work but I don't know how to do that.
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  • [21:39:39] <mru> mtndew: if the usb id is different, you need to add it to the driver source and rebuild it
  • [21:41:53] <ds2> IIRC, there are sysfs wizardy to work around that
  • [21:42:30] <mru> right, there's some way to forcibly bind a driver to some hardware
  • [21:42:37] <mru> or add an id
  • [21:42:53] <mru> I tend to avoid hardware that needs such hacks in the first place
  • [21:44:37] <mranostay> bradfa: PMIC fun? :)
  • [21:45:43] <mtndew> The USB ID is different. Right now each student has an SD card with our Angstrom image on it with only the one wireless driver. I need to either find an easy way to get these adapters to work or find another adapter that will just plug in and work.
  • [21:46:21] <ds2> what's the big deal with WiFi anyways
  • [21:46:42] <mtndew> the old adapter was 0bda 8192
  • [21:46:52] <mru> ds2: the hardware sucks
  • [21:48:00] <mtndew> modinfo r8192s_usb provides some other hardware ids that I would work as well right?
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  • [21:48:43] <mru> I've never had anything but grief from anything made by realtek, just saying
  • [21:49:29] <mranostay> mru: audio included?
  • [21:50:49] <mtndew> If I can use any of the hardware IDs listed in teh modinfo I could use another brand. There are many vendor IDs in the list. I just don't know if what I'm saying is true.
  • [21:50:50] <mru> realtek codecs behind intel-hda usually behave themselves somewhat
  • [21:50:54] <mru> pure realtek, ugh
  • [21:51:34] <mru> and then there's the part about anything on usb being crap
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  • [21:54:13] <mtndew> Is there a database that I could plugin vendor/product id and it would list what devices there are that use it?
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  • [21:56:18] <prpplague> mtndew: http://www.linux-usb.org/usb-ids.html
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  • [21:58:40] <djlewis> heh, he spits out informations and runs out the door.. Go figure
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  • [22:03:38] <mtndew> I foudn the vendor/product but there is nothing that lists the devices there: https://usb-ids.gowdy.us/read/UD/0bda/8192
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  • [22:33:19] <mtndew> Can someone here confirm that if an id is listed in modinfo that it should work if I buy a device with that same id?
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  • [22:39:33] <mranostay> heh
  • [22:39:37] <mranostay> same reV?
  • [22:39:38] <mranostay> *rev
  • [22:41:09] <mtndew> No idea.
  • [22:41:37] <mtndew> mranostay: I just need to find any wifi adapter that will definitely work so I can order them for my lab. I've ordered 2 that haven't worked already :(
  • [22:42:26] <Russ> rosewill RNX-N150HG
  • [22:42:41] <Russ> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166068
  • [22:44:04] <mtndew> Do you know what vendor/product ID it has?
  • [22:44:36] <Russ> http://pastebin.com/gtbsh743
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  • [22:45:52] <mtndew> Russ: I don't think that will work with the driver I have installed.
  • [22:46:14] <Russ> sorry, the only part I saw was 'I just need to find any wifi adapter that will definitely work so I can order them for my lab'
  • [22:46:53] <Russ> the driver for the adapter I listed is mainline
  • [22:47:04] <Russ> why does it have to work with the driver you have installed?
  • [22:47:21] <Russ> oh, ' Our Angstrom image only has the one wireless driver on it as far as I'm aware.'
  • [22:47:28] <Russ> weird
  • [22:47:54] <mtndew> yeah, we had to distribute it to our students so they could work on the first 2 labs
  • [22:48:01] <mtndew> whoops
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  • [22:48:40] <mtndew> Oh, well. I'm going to go eat. Thanks for your help everyone.
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