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  • [00:07:40] <snowrichard> hi
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  • [00:29:11] <prpplague> mranostay: greetings
  • [00:29:28] * prpplague prepares to solder up his first dekatron simulator
  • [00:30:48] <mranostay> prpplague: simulator?
  • [00:31:02] <mranostay> not used a real tube?
  • [00:31:05] <mranostay> *using
  • [00:31:25] <prpplague> mranostay: tested with real dekatrons, but i am building everything using 7400 series
  • [00:31:34] <prpplague> mranostay: function for function the same
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  • [00:37:08] <ds2> real 7400s?
  • [00:37:18] <ds2> not 74LS's
  • [00:37:42] <prpplague> ds2: hehe 74HC's
  • [00:37:47] <ds2> oh cheater
  • [00:38:08] <prpplague> ds2: i started to do it with 5400 series
  • [00:38:37] <ds2> trying to avoid building beefy 5V supplies?
  • [00:38:45] <prpplague> yea
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  • [01:01:54] <ds2> heh... digikey seems to be dead
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  • [01:02:31] <prpplague> ds2: they've klined you
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  • [01:06:53] <ds2> i guess so
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  • [01:27:54] * mranostay hates 6p meetings
  • [01:28:18] <ds2> mranostay: u have a short commute I take it?
  • [01:28:42] <mranostay> ds2: no
  • [01:30:51] <mru> my commute is short...
  • [01:31:02] <mru> and the data centre is close too
  • [01:32:27] <ds2> mranostay: then isn't 6p mtgs good?
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  • [01:33:36] <mranostay> mru: well good for you
  • [01:34:00] <mru> that "data centre" is actually in a corner of the bedroom
  • [01:34:12] <mru> and most of those machines are not even plugged in
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  • [01:35:08] <mranostay> mru: aren't you a contractor?
  • [01:35:12] <n00b_> Is there a (relatively) easy way to get /dev/i2c-2 enabled without a kernel recompile?
  • [01:35:27] <mru> mranostay: I'm employed by arm
  • [01:36:16] <ds2> mru is ARMed and dangerous
  • [01:36:43] <ds2> quit doing crap in userland
  • [01:37:21] <mru> I code entirely in wonderland
  • [01:38:05] <ds2> how's alice and the large bunnies?
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  • [01:39:34] <mru> the big buck bunny?
  • [01:40:27] <ds2> yes and hte mushrooms
  • [01:40:41] <n00b_> If I can figure out how to get to the i2c from the kernel module, I'll throw it in. That's totally ideal anyways.
  • [01:40:43] <Russ> oi, I need to finish my data center
  • [01:42:06] <mru> one of those machine is a quad-core running vmware esxi, that makes it a proper data centre, right?
  • [01:42:12] <ds2> there are plenty of examples in the kernel
  • [01:42:19] <ds2> prehaps you should look at it?
  • [01:43:07] <n00b_> That's what I'm currently doing :)
  • [01:43:57] <ds2> then...
  • [01:44:45] <n00b_> Just wanted to be lazy.
  • [01:46:02] <Russ> mru, does a T-bird count?
  • [01:46:31] <Russ> or is it a duron...
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  • [01:46:48] <mranostay> mru: wonderland?
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  • [01:49:28] <mru> where the mad hatter lives
  • [01:49:44] <mranostay> i could use a shot of mercury right now
  • [01:50:19] <n00b_> In case anyone is reading the logs: I2C from kernel module tutorial: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/i2c/writing-clients
  • [01:50:29] <Russ> nothing makes me drowsy like mercury vapors
  • [01:50:49] <mru> I'd be worried if I knew that
  • [01:51:24] <Russ> (I'm familiar with Dreamy Draw)
  • [01:52:14] <Russ> a mine so named because everyone who worked there was so dreamy
  • [01:53:18] <ds2> 5
  • [01:53:23] <mru> 4
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  • [01:57:17] <emeb> Russ: you from AZ?
  • [01:57:24] <Russ> ya, I'm in CA now
  • [01:57:51] <emeb> heh. Didn't think anyone who hadn't been to PHX would know about Dreamy Draw.
  • [01:58:49] * mranostay googles
  • [02:01:03] <emeb> A mine, part of a park, a highway pass through the mountains that separate North & Central Phx.
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  • [02:09:23] <Russ> mercury mines
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  • [02:45:44] <prpplague> mranostay: https://plus.google.com/u/0/101339419642360856354/posts/NGXLoT3n3We
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  • [02:46:41] <movax|mac> hey guys, have a quick peripheral question about the beaglebone, just want to sanity check
  • [02:47:05] <movax|mac> best-case: live stream 1080p video from a USB webcam (logitech C920 maybe)
  • [02:47:19] <movax|mac> usable-case: snip a picture every few minutes and stream over ethernet
  • [02:47:36] <KeatonT> I bet you could stream live video.
  • [02:47:38] <movax|mac> fairly confident that the bone can handle the "usable-case", any thoughts on the best-case for streaming 1080p/24 1080p/30?
  • [02:47:38] <KeatonT> But not 1080p
  • [02:47:44] <movax|mac> hmm, ok
  • [02:48:02] <movax|mac> I think the C920 can deliver a stream already compressed as h.264 which hopefully lessens the CPU workload
  • [02:48:44] <KeatonT> I'm not entirely sure the systems bus speed could handle the data throughput
  • [02:49:00] <KeatonT> then again I haven't done extensive testing on the subject.
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  • [02:59:21] <prpplague> koen: hey leroy
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  • [03:01:19] <ka6sox> morning
  • [03:01:54] <emeb> ka6sox: did you teleport to a different TZ?
  • [03:03:14] <ka6sox> emeb, yup
  • [03:04:43] <movax|mac> alright thanks KeatonT
  • [03:04:52] <movax|mac> i'll be testing it soon-ish, will report back on how it goes
  • [03:05:33] <KeatonT> cool I'd love to know
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  • [03:09:17] <movax|mac> using the bone as a rapid proto platform before i design a sitara-a8 system from scrtach
  • [03:09:20] <movax|mac> for $89 can't go wrong
  • [03:11:53] <mranostay> ka6sox: can i borrow the teleporter?
  • [03:16:06] <ka6sox> mranostay, you will have to fight my wife for it...and she is a Black Belt...
  • [03:17:40] <ka6sox> emeb, when I get home I should have a new bcc kernel
  • [03:18:01] <ds2> BCC?
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  • [03:18:23] <ka6sox> Blank Canvas Cape
  • [03:18:52] <ds2> oh that
  • [03:19:05] <ds2> what's the point of mucking with silly capes?
  • [03:19:29] <ka6sox> you have something more fun to play with?
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  • [03:19:54] <ds2> sure... classic stuff
  • [03:20:04] <ds2> sensors out the wazzo on that
  • [03:20:33] <ka6sox> funzone.
  • [03:21:23] <ka6sox> I've wanted to play with GPMC for a while...
  • [03:23:34] <ds2> you got lots of high bandwidth devices?
  • [03:24:31] <ka6sox> yep
  • [03:25:22] <ds2> oh slightly different interest... I'm more into sensing the real world... accs, gyros, magnetometers, compasses, barometers, humidity, etc
  • [03:27:07] <emeb> ds2: hang out on ##stm32 - those guys are all into that stuff
  • [03:27:25] <emeb> they're all making ncopter navigation systems.
  • [03:27:44] <ka6sox> emeb, looks like I borked it..but its a simple fix ;(
  • [03:27:47] <ds2> stm32?
  • [03:28:02] <emeb> ST's cortex Mx processors.
  • [03:28:23] <emeb> cheap/fast/fun. I've been doing a lot of work with those lately.
  • [03:28:26] <ds2> I know what they are... working on a design with them
  • [03:28:34] <emeb> cool.
  • [03:28:44] <ds2> i wish they would run at 3.3V
  • [03:28:47] <ds2> I mean 1.8V
  • [03:28:49] <ds2> not 3.3V
  • [03:29:00] <emeb> hmm.
  • [03:29:05] <ds2> lower spec is 2.0V
  • [03:29:13] <emeb> Sounds about right.
  • [03:29:23] <ds2> newer sensors are 1.8V only
  • [03:29:54] <emeb> I/O not compatible?
  • [03:30:04] <ds2> max Vdd IO is 1.8V
  • [03:30:19] <ds2> level translation out the wazoo :(
  • [03:30:24] <emeb> no kidding.
  • [03:30:34] <ds2> not to mention the sea of LDOs
  • [03:30:45] <emeb> heh.
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  • [03:31:09] <ds2> this is where you realize how big SOT-23's are
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  • [03:31:27] <emeb> not so tiny when you need a few dozen?
  • [03:31:38] <ds2> not so tiny when you need like 2-3
  • [03:31:59] * ds2 *heart* single chip power path managers
  • [03:32:13] <ds2> PFETs, LDOs, etc wind up eatting a lot of space
  • [03:32:17] <emeb> ka6sox: borked the kernel build?
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  • [03:32:48] <ka6sox> yes, I forgot a patch
  • [03:32:59] <emeb> ds2: yeah - found myself wanting some 4x PFETs the other day.
  • [03:33:07] <ds2> 4x? H bridge?
  • [03:33:29] <emeb> ds2: no - was looking for some anode drivers for LEDs.
  • [03:33:36] <ds2> ah
  • [03:33:53] <ds2> think 3 SOT-23's is bigger then a 144 pin BGA :(
  • [03:36:12] <emeb> world needs PFETs in 0402-sized packages. :)
  • [03:36:29] <ds2> I prefer 0201 sized
  • [03:37:56] <movax|mac> 0201 is hilarious...i have to send 100% overage to the assembly house for them
  • [03:38:15] <ds2> assembly houses usually have them instock
  • [03:38:23] <ds2> easier to pay them for it then to deal with partial tapes
  • [03:39:23] <movax|mac> eh we usually send part kits, cheaper for us than paying for turn-key
  • [03:39:46] <ds2> I don't get charged extra for buying parts from them if they have it stock
  • [03:39:59] <ds2> so I kit the actives and criticals then buy the passives off them
  • [03:40:26] <ds2> only time they charge extra is if they need to go through purchasing
  • [03:40:39] <ka6sox> fleas on rats
  • [03:40:50] <mranostay> hi all
  • [03:41:16] <emeb> so you're saying that the pick-n-place machines have a 50% failure rate on placing 0201 parts?
  • [03:41:41] <mranostay> ouch
  • [03:41:54] <mranostay> emeb: btw what is the FETs for on the FPGA cape?
  • [03:42:12] <emeb> mranostay: no FETs on the FPGA cape.
  • [03:42:44] <movax|mac> no idea, that's what the house asks for
  • [03:42:46] <ka6sox> fets on bcc?
  • [03:43:05] <movax|mac> plx wants 0201s for their suggested bypassing scheme, so beit
  • [03:43:20] <emeb> ka6sox: yep - no fets on bcc.
  • [03:43:21] <mranostay> emeb: ok right bottom corner. what are those?
  • [03:43:36] <ka6sox> bottom left?
  • [03:43:41] <ka6sox> power supply
  • [03:43:41] <emeb> left bottom corner are the voltage regulators
  • [03:43:56] <emeb> 3.3V and 1.2V from 5V on the 'bone.
  • [03:44:27] <mranostay> er yeah left ..
  • [03:44:34] <mranostay> ah makes sense
  • [03:44:54] <mranostay> emeb: the 3.3V LDO isn't good enough from the bone?
  • [03:45:08] <ka6sox> not enought POWER
  • [03:45:18] <emeb> mranostay: it's best not to load the bone supply down too much.
  • [03:45:31] <emeb> the FPGA can draw a _lot_ of current.
  • [03:45:40] <movax|mac> what kind of fpga?
  • [03:45:46] <emeb> Xilinx S3A
  • [03:46:07] <movax|mac> probably want a dedicated switcher for it, i'd imagine
  • [03:46:23] <movax|mac> i used an ltc3811 for a massive fpga project, but that's probably a bit larger than a spartan-3a
  • [03:46:27] <ds2> probally need its own coal fired generator
  • [03:46:29] <emeb> movax|mac: probably not needed for this smaller part.
  • [03:46:49] <movax|mac> nope, but like you said, probalby not good idea to run it off the ldo on the bone
  • [03:46:50] <ka6sox> we used that for a V5 project
  • [03:46:51] <emeb> this is just a 200A part w/ a 50MHz clock - haven't seen it draw more than about 400ma
  • [03:47:51] <ds2> a 200A part?!
  • [03:47:59] <ds2> does it use miniturized tubes?
  • [03:48:07] <emeb> ark ark... XC3S200A
  • [03:48:14] <ds2> oh
  • [03:51:26] <ka6sox> heh
  • [03:52:41] <ka6sox> home time
  • [03:52:42] <ka6sox> bbla
  • [03:52:46] <emeb> l8r
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  • [04:14:19] <dezso> hello
  • [04:14:29] <dezso> any wince6 guy here?
  • [04:16:01] <ds2> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
  • [04:16:16] <movax|mac> i used to have a winmo phone
  • [04:16:23] <movax|mac> then i got a 4s and life was so much better
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  • [04:17:18] <emeb> boy is the the wrong place to ask that question.
  • [04:17:41] <ds2> it is entertaining.. wolve dens need sheeps
  • [04:17:45] <dezso> me?
  • [04:18:00] <emeb> ;)
  • [04:18:24] <dezso> so where should I got get some WINCE help ?
  • [04:18:57] <movax|mac> 2005
  • [04:18:59] <emeb> MS Dev forums? just a thought. Most folks here are FOSS.
  • [04:19:06] <movax|mac> (MSDN is a good place to start)
  • [04:19:16] <movax|mac> what do you need specifically, programming help? should be able to use .net cf for most things
  • [04:20:10] <dezso> MS forum dont care about BB dev, I'm not capable to make my own OS, just need a working WINCE7 image wath is actualy works, not like the demo loaded by mouser..
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  • [04:20:54] <movax|mac> uh what
  • [04:21:13] <muhoo> movax|mac: +1
  • [04:21:17] * mranostay opens beer
  • [04:21:23] <dezso> to bad I was holding on to some hopes that some one sonner or later will release a working image or BSP, now 1 year later I have not user this board for more than 2hr
  • [04:21:26] * mranostay puts popcorn in microwave
  • [04:21:33] <dezso> anyone want to buy it ?
  • [04:21:37] <ds2> does this beer make your counter tick, mranostay?
  • [04:21:39] <movax|mac> what board
  • [04:21:48] <movax|mac> a wince running board?
  • [04:21:54] <dezso> BeagleBoard xm c4
  • [04:22:32] <movax|mac> ahh
  • [04:22:38] <movax|mac> people run windows on that?
  • [04:22:52] <ds2> windows run?
  • [04:22:54] <dezso> it will run android and some flawore of linux linux but I dont work onthem
  • [04:23:02] <movax|mac> interesting
  • [04:23:18] <dezso> I would like to run WinCE 6 or 7
  • [04:23:28] <movax|mac> i'm a windows/microsoft fan...my favourite dev tools + documentation comes from them
  • [04:23:39] <movax|mac> i use all sorts of tools/Oses, but my stress level is lowest when working with MS toolkits
  • [04:23:52] <movax|mac> it looks like ther eis a CE6 BSP
  • [04:24:00] <movax|mac> first google result: http://beagleboard.org/project/Beagleboard+Windows+CE6.0+R3/
  • [04:24:15] <dezso> Have a mini6410 running on wince6 and works really good for 2 years now, finding it a bit slow so I taught will be a nice upgrade
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  • [04:24:58] <ds2> upgrade would be running Linux on an ARM7TDMI
  • [04:25:05] <ds2> hell, an abacus would be an upgrade
  • [04:25:31] <movax|mac> well not if his software stack is all windows based i guess
  • [04:26:00] <Khac> 2222
  • [04:27:05] <dezso> "free in a binary evaluation version" with very limited functionality, berly usable, no presistent registry no hw accel, cant even play mp3 file..
  • [04:27:11] <ds2> it would still be an upgrade
  • [04:27:20] <ds2> difference between running and not running at all
  • [04:29:15] <dezso> Friendlyarm was very helpfull to achive what I want wint the min2440 and 6410, to bad I din't buy the Mini210 with capacitive LCD....
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  • [04:31:31] <dezso> is there any other support channel where wince would be more welcomed ?
  • [04:31:53] <movax|mac> no idea dude
  • [04:32:07] <ds2> wince is never welcomed.
  • [04:32:12] <ds2> hence it is called wince ;)
  • [04:32:42] <dezso> ok than, have fun macing and linuxing, ty all
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  • [04:33:19] <movax|mac> laters
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  • [05:21:33] <ds2> emeb: @#$#@%$@#$*!@#$@#!&*$(@&!$*(#@&*(&#@$(*@
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  • [07:09:46] <tasslehoff> koen: what in systemd should do the job that save-rtc.sh did in a sysvinit/angstrom? I can't adjust the time backwards on my system, since it seems nothing updates /etc/timestamp on shutdown.
  • [07:10:38] <koen> tasslehoff: opkg install timestamp-service
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  • [07:14:24] <woglinde> gm tasslehoff and koen
  • [07:14:40] <tasslehoff> koen: just grepped my way to it on my target. now on to figuring out why it doesn't work for me
  • [07:14:42] <tasslehoff> morning woglinde
  • [07:15:53] <koen> tasslehoff: try 'load-timestamp --save'
  • [07:15:59] <koen> and see if it updated something
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  • [07:17:47] <tasslehoff> koen: it did. here be dragons.
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  • [07:52:49] <_tasslehoff_> koen: I think there's a bug in load-timestamp.sh. If the date has been set back, it will not work.
  • [07:53:11] <_tasslehoff_> it will read the current /etc/timestamp and write it back again :)
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  • [08:01:20] <koen> right
  • [08:01:24] <koen> it doesn't allow going back in time
  • [08:01:43] <koen> you're the one with the rtc that initializes in the future?
  • [08:02:28] <_tasslehoff_> koen: yes and no. think I have seen some messages about it, but I have never complained to anyone :)
  • [08:03:47] <koen> I was planning to deprecate timestamp-service till I found out some "features" in ext4
  • [08:04:16] <koen> short version: fs created in the "future" triggers all kind of nasty issues
  • [08:04:51] <Russ> yup, and stupid fsck, stop throwing warnings just because rtc is out of whack
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  • [08:21:07] <_tasslehoff_> koen: haven't moved to ext4 yet. plan is to do it after the current release
  • [08:21:36] <_tasslehoff_> koen: will you fix, or should I send a patch?
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  • [08:33:28] <koen> _tasslehoff_: send a patch to angstrom-devel and I will have a look at it
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  • [12:09:22] <Russ> 'Unknown individuals are contacting Southern California Gas Company (SoCalGas??) customers claiming President Barack Obama will directly pay the utility bills or provide credits.'
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  • [12:09:53] <Russ> *sigh*, really people?
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  • [12:44:16] <jkridner_> gm all
  • [12:47:05] <keesj> Hi
  • [12:49:41] <jkridner_> hello keesj
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  • [12:52:56] <woglinde> hi jkrdiner
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  • [13:01:23] <jkridner_> hi woglinde
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  • [13:29:40] <mdp> Russ, sounds similar to the obamaphone craze...that video was shot not too far from me ;)
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  • [13:42:02] <georgem> has anyone managed to get 3.7rc1 to boot on the beaglebone with any gcc 4.6.0 through 4.7.2?
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  • [13:42:55] <mru> I believe koen has
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  • [13:49:27] <georgem> I talked to him a couple of days ago and he said to use 4.5.4.
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  • [13:56:53] <georgem> I haven't tried 4.7. With 4.6.2 it just reboots as soon as I do bootm
  • [13:57:52] <koen> mru: nothing happens, that's the problem
  • [13:57:58] <koen> mru: hang after "starting kernel"
  • [13:58:26] <mru> unaligned crap?
  • [13:58:35] <georgem> I was just wondering if anyone else happened to build it with a newer toolchain and actually had any luck.
  • [13:58:36] <mru> I'm so tired of that bullshit
  • [13:59:48] <LetoThe2nd> mru: shullbit?
  • [14:00:20] <georgem> or if anyone has managed to get anything from mach-omap2 to boot with 4.6+
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  • [14:07:27] <stahl> how can i access cloud9 from ssh? where are the files located?
  • [14:09:19] <LetoThe2nd> georgem: certainly.
  • [14:10:00] <LetoThe2nd> georgem: i'm pretty sure i have rebuilt vanilla and preempt rt for pandaboard with 4.6something
  • [14:10:18] <georgem> LetoThe2nd: 3.7rc1?
  • [14:10:27] <mdp> georgem: I use gcc version 4.6.3 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.3-1ubuntu5) on 3.7-rc1
  • [14:10:35] <mdp> the ubuntu packaged version
  • [14:10:45] <LetoThe2nd> georgem: only tested up to 3.4.something
  • [14:11:20] <mdp> georgem, that's on beaglebone and am335x-evm, fwiw
  • [14:11:38] <georgem> mdp: and they booted? interesting
  • [14:11:53] <mdp> georgem, I've been using it for months for my daily devel on those platforms
  • [14:12:20] <mdp> so I'll have to say it boots quite well
  • [14:12:57] <georgem> mdp: ok, well I'll newer 4.6.x linaro then and see what I get with that.
  • [14:13:01] <georgem> try*
  • [14:13:35] <mdp> georgem, I know somebody using the 4.7.x linaro that's tested some of my patches that confirms it working as well on the same am335x stuff
  • [14:14:11] <mdp> georgem, one thing, when you say 3.7-rc1...are you referring to the stock mainline version...or is this the beaglebone-3.7 tree/branch?
  • [14:15:20] <georgem> I'm currently trying the beaglebone-3.7 tree. But if they managed to get it to work on stock mainline I could certainly try that out too and see if I get different results
  • [14:16:45] <mdp> ok, unless you are targeting inclusion of a patch in mainline, probably no need to try to use stock 3.7-rc1...but I wanted to make sure because irregardless of toolchain...stock 3.7-rc1 won't boot on beaglebone due to bug...that's fixed for queued for -rc2
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  • [14:46:11] <alan_o> so if I said that doing GPIO using mmap() isn't really the "right" way to do it, would you be offended?
  • [14:46:54] <alan_o> I think I offended an OEM rep by saying that yesterday.
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  • [14:49:17] <ka6sox> that sounds like bitbanging, writ large...
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  • [14:51:22] <alan_o> don't worry, I'm not bit-banging :)
  • [14:51:34] <alan_o> It's not an RPi
  • [14:59:50] <arcanescu> well on ubuntu this the armhf toolchain is missing gcc-4.7-arm-linux-gnueabihf has it been replaced by something else or what exactlyu?
  • [15:06:51] <mdp> alan_o, people live to be offended by little things, no worries
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  • [15:41:13] <alan_o> #beagle poll: My toolchain of choice comes from .... ?
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  • [15:42:17] <alan_o> (I've been using ct-ng toolchains, but had to switch to a codesourcery one for a project after I had some non-bootable kernels yesterday)
  • [15:42:30] <alan_o> haven't investigated what's wrong with mine :(
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  • [16:23:36] <Cuong> hello everyone, I got a problem when build my QT project from Ubuntu Host for beagleboard xM target
  • [16:23:51] <Cuong> this is my make file:
  • [16:24:02] <Cuong> #!/bin/bash /opt/qt-dm3730/bin/qmake -spec /opt/qt-dm3730/mkspecs/qws/linux-dm3730-g++ -o Makefile *.pro make clean make
  • [16:24:33] <Cuong> and I got this problem: http://pastebin.com/5kHzAkWf
  • [16:24:44] <Cuong> Thank you so much
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  • [16:34:03] <Cuong> Anyone here?
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  • [17:11:05] <mranostay> nobody here
  • [17:11:47] <mdp> yesterday there was nobody here that could solve my problem, I had to figure it out myself.
  • [17:11:51] <mdp> useless channel
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  • [17:24:10] <Cuong> anyone hear?
  • [17:24:18] <woglinde> no
  • [17:24:35] <woglinde> I cant hear
  • [17:25:24] <Cuong> yes, I got a prob. when build for BBxm target
  • [17:27:12] <woglinde> building what?
  • [17:28:09] <Cuong> yes, please: http://pastebin.com/Hu8zcfzS
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  • [17:28:43] <Cuong> I am build a short program using openCV for my BB-xM running Angstrom from my Ubuntu host
  • [17:29:21] <woglinde> you can read nor?
  • [17:29:23] <woglinde> could not read symbols: File in wrong format
  • [17:30:01] <Cuong> yes, please show me why
  • [17:30:07] <Cuong> Im very new
  • [17:30:29] <Cuong> because when I use g++ build for Ubuntu host is no prob.
  • [17:30:47] <woglinde> you are mixing two archs
  • [17:30:59] <woglinde> host proably 64bit intel stuff
  • [17:31:00] <woglinde> and arm#
  • [17:31:06] <woglinde> that do not work
  • [17:31:26] <Cuong> yes, so I using cross compiler for Arm
  • [17:31:40] <woglinde> what OS do you run on the beagle?
  • [17:31:43] <Cuong> you can see here: /usr/local/angstrom/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/g++
  • [17:31:49] <Cuong> Angstrom
  • [17:31:50] <woglinde> yes
  • [17:32:27] <woglinde> for your little programm I would compile on the board it self
  • [17:33:05] <Cuong> Yes, but can I build via host?
  • [17:33:20] <woglinde> if you want to stay with crosscompiling check the output of "file /usr/local/lib/libopencv_calib3d.so"
  • [17:33:23] <woglinde> sure
  • [17:33:28] <woglinde> opkg install g++
  • [17:33:32] <woglinde> opkg update
  • [17:33:39] <woglinde> opkg list | grep opencv
  • [17:33:50] <Cuong> yes, I do it rightaway
  • [17:33:51] <woglinde> opkg install all_opencv_dev_packages_i_need
  • [17:33:59] <Cuong> thank you so much.
  • [17:34:06] <woglinde> no prob
  • [17:34:15] <Cuong> yes, one more plz
  • [17:34:35] <Cuong> how can I fix the above bug when build via host
  • [17:34:55] <woglinde> set the right search path for opecv
  • [17:34:59] <woglinde> with -L
  • [17:35:26] <woglinde> proably -L /usr/local/angstrom/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib
  • [17:36:04] <Cuong> Add it to the command?
  • [17:37:10] <woglinde> yes
  • [17:37:19] <woglinde> hm oh mom
  • [17:37:28] <Cuong> where can I add to: /usr/local/angstrom/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/g++ -ggdb `pkg-config --cflags opencv` main.cpp -o main `pkg-config --libs opencv`
  • [17:37:54] <Cuong> Please, Im new linux. :D
  • [17:37:54] <woglinde> whats the output of pkg-config --libs opencv ?
  • [17:38:18] <woglinde> that has nothing todo with linux really
  • [17:38:24] <woglinde> its compiling
  • [17:38:35] <woglinde> would be the same under macos or bsd
  • [17:39:16] <woglinde> your problem is pkgconfig searches under /usr/local
  • [17:39:30] <woglinde> not /usr/local/arm
  • [17:39:51] <Cuong> yes, brighter
  • [17:40:03] <Cuong> thank you so much.
  • [17:41:17] <woglinde> ypu know shell enviroment variables?
  • [17:41:20] <woglinde> you need
  • [17:41:22] <woglinde> PKG_CONFIG_SYSROOT_DIR
  • [17:41:27] <Cuong> yes, please
  • [17:41:37] <woglinde> so pkgconfig searches the arm dir
  • [17:41:54] <Cuong> yes, so exciting than windows
  • [17:42:16] <Cuong> If you have free time, please show me anything..
  • [17:42:56] <woglinde> this article should help you
  • [17:42:58] <woglinde> http://www.flameeyes.eu/autotools-mythbuster/pkgconfig/cross-compiling.html
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  • [17:43:28] <Cuong> yes..
  • [17:43:42] <Cuong> a bunch of thannks
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  • [17:44:58] <woglinde> no prob again
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  • [17:50:35] <georgem> beaglebone-3.7 didn't boot when compiled with linaro-4.7-2012.10. My binunits is pretty old though maybe it needs to be updated.
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  • [18:26:19] <SilicaGel> xbee programmable: nifty.
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  • [18:34:28] <mranostay> someone is still drunk it seems
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  • [18:44:34] <woglinde> hi silicalgel
  • [18:45:51] <ds2> it is such a pleasant surprise to find people making connectors with pin 1 on the other end
  • [18:46:45] <SilicaGel> hi woglinde, how goes the war
  • [18:47:14] <woglinde> which war?
  • [18:49:08] <SilicaGel> hm, let's say, the make openjdk fast and reliable in arm war?
  • [18:49:20] <mdp> mranostay, remember "beer lunch"
  • [18:51:59] <woglinde> silicalgel haha
  • [18:52:48] <Russ> ds2, before or after spin?
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  • [19:03:37] <ds2> Russ: board has wrong layout but I found another source for a connector that matches board
  • [19:03:41] <ds2> hence pleasant surprise
  • [19:03:52] <ds2> of course, connector is about 2x as much
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  • [19:20:50] <jsabeaudry> Hardware question for FPGA gods
  • [19:21:36] <jsabeaudry> Will the absence of coupling capacitors on a certain io bank have an effet if the io bank is configured in input?
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  • [19:27:03] <Russ> jsabeaudry, hmm
  • [19:28:13] <Russ> jsabeaudry, it might if the caps are used for any internal IO switching, or if the signal rings and goes beyond the rails
  • [19:28:29] <Russ> (return current though clamping diodes)
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  • [19:33:13] <jsabeaudry> Russ, a ringing signal is exactly what I have
  • [19:33:21] <jsabeaudry> Russ, thank you!
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  • [19:35:12] <jsabeaudry> I'm doing fpga-beaglebone communication through gpmc but that thing shines (EMI wise) in the powercord!
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  • [19:36:30] <jsabeaudry> Any hunch on what could be an issue?
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  • [19:38:40] <Russ> I'm not an emi expert, but you could put a cheater coil on it
  • [19:39:11] <Russ> squelching emi from cables leaving a device is hard
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  • [19:43:15] <djlewis> ferrite is your friend
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  • [19:44:55] <jsabeaudry> I'm thinking that logical transitions on the gpmc should not shine so much in the power cord, and that something must be very wrong
  • [19:45:07] <jsabeaudry> We tried ferrite, little to no effect
  • [19:45:10] <stahl> i updated bonescript via ssh (git pull), now i can't run blinkled.js anymore. Error: Cannot find module 'cluster'. please help..
  • [19:45:21] <jsabeaudry> I'll try to see what cheater coils are
  • [19:47:54] <jsabeaudry> Russ, is there another name for "cheater coils"?
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  • [19:51:08] <XorA|gone> is the FPGA on a different PSU?
  • [19:52:18] <jsabeaudry> XorA|gone, Hmmm, I think it might be on a different psu, I think it's running on 3.3V and not the 5 like the bb
  • [19:52:32] <Russ> sorry, coil is the wrong name for it
  • [19:53:08] <XorA|gone> jsabeaudry: you might need a choke on the ground line then, as the potential of gnd on FPGA board and beagle will tend to vary with the relative loads causing noise
  • [19:53:41] <XorA|gone> its called a current compensated choke or something like that
  • [19:54:06] <Russ> you might just try a snap on filter
  • [19:54:31] <jsabeaudry> XorA|gone, excellent, I will look into that option too
  • [19:55:09] <Russ> if you have communication board to board, I'd be wary of putting a choke inline with the return (ground)
  • [19:55:21] <Russ> so long as it's the right frequency range, you should be ok
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  • [19:55:51] <Russ> hmm..suppose it isn't the return, there are probably a bunch of ground signals already in the gpmc bus, no?
  • [19:56:04] * XorA|gone would normally in this situation grab the nearest EE :-)
  • [19:57:44] <mranostay> and beat them?
  • [19:57:51] <jsabeaudry> heh
  • [19:57:53] <Russ> is the power cord going between the boards, or from the boards to something else?
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  • [19:58:30] <emeb> jsabeaudry: what's the length of the connection from bb to fpga board?
  • [19:58:44] <Crofton> jsabeaudry, what is the actual problem you are trying to solve
  • [19:58:47] <jsabeaudry> Russ, the power cord to the massive power adapter that plug in the wall socket, that cord is far from the boards
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  • [19:59:00] <jsabeaudry> Crofton, emi
  • [19:59:07] <Crofton> define emi
  • [19:59:28] <Russ> are there any other cords leaving the board?
  • [19:59:43] <jsabeaudry> emeb, probably close to 5 cm chip to chip
  • [20:00:00] <emeb> jsabeaudry: that's not too awful.
  • [20:00:19] <emeb> One thing about the bb I/O connectors though is that there aren't many ground lines.
  • [20:00:40] <emeb> Not good for decent signal integrity - you'll want to keep things as short as possible.
  • [20:01:51] <Russ> and terminate well :)
  • [20:02:33] <jsabeaudry> Crofton, electromagnetic emissions, I'm not an expert at this, but it's part of some kind of certification
  • [20:02:47] <emeb> ideally, yes. Unfortunately the bb has no source terminations. FPGA might support load termination, but usually not for single-ended signals as found on bb.
  • [20:03:30] <Russ> it may not help that much anyway if the fpga doesn't have any decoupling caps on that io bank
  • [20:03:43] <emeb> that's not good.
  • [20:03:47] <jsabeaudry> emeb, it does, but the terminations supported have a too low impedence and the bb does not have enough output current to drive them
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  • [20:04:26] <emeb> jsabeaudry: yeah - that's a problem. the I/O specs on the FPGAs are made for things like LVDS which is not what bb outputs do.
  • [20:04:29] <jsabeaudry> Russ, would you say coupling caps are more important than line terminations?
  • [20:04:30] <Crofton> but communciation is fine, just radiated is the issue?
  • [20:05:02] <jsabeaudry> Crofton, precisely
  • [20:05:06] <Russ> jsabeaudry, if the terminations are in the fpga, without decoupling caps, they can't really do their job
  • [20:05:17] <Russ> the worse your SI, the worse your EMI
  • [20:05:33] <Crofton> and you have it in a matel box?
  • [20:05:34] <jsabeaudry> SI ?
  • [20:05:46] <Russ> signal integrity, rining, overshoot, etc
  • [20:05:49] <Crofton> metal box
  • [20:06:15] <Crofton> basically, it seems like all the things you want to do, will degrade actual interface performance
  • [20:06:19] <Crofton> which is bad
  • [20:06:23] <jsabeaudry> Crofton, yes, tests revealed that the source of the emi is really the powercoard that sticks out of the box
  • [20:06:41] <emeb> jsabeaudry: does that power cord supply both the bb and fpga boards?
  • [20:06:42] <Crofton> ok, so filter there
  • [20:06:42] <Russ> can you tie the power cord ground to the metal box at point of entry?
  • [20:07:01] <Crofton> start with a ferrite
  • [20:07:10] <Russ> he apparently tried a ferrite
  • [20:07:15] <Crofton> also, if this is CE testing, laod on image that turns everything off
  • [20:07:33] * Crofton is not making a joke
  • [20:07:35] <jsabeaudry> Crofton, isn't that cheating?
  • [20:07:48] <jsabeaudry> Not exactly "normal operation" to me
  • [20:08:10] <emeb> http://www.corcom.com/Series/PEM/C/
  • [20:08:16] <Russ> Crofton, I think you were supposed to make that suggestion in the form of a wink wink nudge nudge
  • [20:09:06] <XorA|gone> a lot of CE testing is done in "normal" operation, why do you think so many decives first thing that happens is firmware upgrades?
  • [20:09:10] <jsabeaudry> I'm pretty sure one of the hw guys messed up really bad for this kind of situation to happen, no coupling caps on io bank seems pretty bad, looking at other options too, a brainstorm if you will
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  • [20:09:49] * XorA|gone sees so many firmwares release a week after device that jacks up clock speeds
  • [20:13:12] <jsabeaudry> hehe
  • [20:14:37] <XorA|gone> if device is not normally supplied with a PSU, run it on battery for the CE test
  • [20:15:19] <ds2> test it with a foil case ;)
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  • [20:17:22] <jsabeaudry> ds2, yes a good dose of foil around the power cord right up to the wall socket :P
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  • [20:20:57] <jsabeaudry> Thank you so much for all the ideas Russ, emeb, XorA|gone, Crofton, djlewis, ds2, it is much appreciated!
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  • [20:36:31] <ds2> geez github is slow today
  • [20:38:08] <Crofton> ds2, GitHub ???@github
  • [20:38:08] <Crofton> We are experiencing issues due to a DDOS attack, working hard to restore service...
  • [20:38:13] <Crofton> from twitter
  • [20:40:35] <ds2> oh doh
  • [20:40:46] <ds2> Crofton: thanks
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  • [21:14:46] <woglinde> hm github was fast here
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