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  • [02:11:21] <iswilson> I'm a first time user of the beagle board and I'm trying to set up the ethernet over USB. My current laptop does not have an ethernet port so I'm pretty stuck to using USB.
  • [02:14:02] <iswilson> Are there any resources out there that address my issues?
  • [02:15:56] <alan_o> hmm
  • [02:16:00] <alan_o> there's an easy way
  • [02:16:01] <alan_o> and a hard way
  • [02:16:09] <alan_o> I only know the hard way for sure ;)
  • [02:16:13] <alan_o> stand by
  • [02:16:28] <alan_o> oh wait
  • [02:16:33] <alan_o> you have a beagle board, not a beagle bone
  • [02:16:49] <alan_o> ok, so can you get to it through a console?
  • [02:16:58] <alan_o> if so, you should just be able to modprobe g_ether
  • [02:17:03] <thurbad> use g_ether on the bb and cdc_ether on the linux host
  • [02:17:23] <thurbad> add firestarter to the mix if you want to share internet
  • [02:17:39] <alan_o> yeah, once you modprobe g_ether, you can set the IP with ifconfig, etc
  • [02:17:46] <alan_o> you'll see usb0
  • [02:18:15] <alan_o> maybe usb1... is the ethernet port on the beagleboard still usb0 ? Can't remember if/when that changed in the stock images.
  • [02:21:13] <thurbad> xM is usb0...classic has no ethernet
  • [02:21:50] <alan_o> even now, with new images?
  • [02:22:37] <thurbad> don't think the usb/ethernet port changed... serial changed
  • [02:22:54] <alan_o> hmm.... maybe that was on a vanilla kernel. Something changed at some point. I'm sure iswilson will figure it out :)
  • [02:23:05] <alan_o> serial did for sure
  • [02:23:21] <iswilson> I have a bone
  • [02:23:22] <iswilson> Sorry
  • [02:23:31] <alan_o> ok then....
  • [02:23:47] <alan_o> if you plug in your bone, you'll see it show up as a USB Hard drive
  • [02:24:07] <alan_o> if you eject it from the OS, then it changes mode
  • [02:24:08] <alan_o> stand by
  • [02:24:45] <alan_o> http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/latest/README.htm
  • [02:24:48] <thurbad> ah... not up on the bone stuff
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  • [02:26:33] <iswilson> Sorry all - this will take me a while to read through. I haven't spent much time working on dev boards, and I'm just taking my first operating systems class
  • [02:28:33] <alan_o> just stumbled on pictures from prpplague and mru's trip to Bletchley Park.
  • [02:28:37] * alan_o is jealous
  • [02:28:52] <alan_o> I've never been able to make it up there in my trips to the UK
  • [02:28:56] <iswilson> I'm currently able to access the Bone through Terminal (I'm using a mac, but I can hop into a linux VM if that helps)
  • [02:29:10] <alan_o> should be fine
  • [02:29:37] <iswilson> alan_o, is that mac that should be fine?
  • [02:30:02] <alan_o> iswilson: yes, mac should be fine.
  • [02:30:24] <iswilson> (I know it should be OSX, sorry)
  • [02:31:30] <alan_o> mac is plenty non-ambiguous :)
  • [02:32:53] <iswilson> So currently I'm logged onto the bone as root, and when I run "ifconfig" I see eth0 and lo
  • [02:35:39] <alan_o> ok
  • [02:35:58] <alan_o> so did you eject the USB disk that shows up in OSX?
  • [02:36:41] <iswilson> Just ejected
  • [02:36:50] <alan_o> argh.... adafruit is out of BeagleBone capes :(
  • [02:37:00] <alan_o> ok
  • [02:37:11] <alan_o> do you see usb0 on your bone/
  • [02:37:12] <alan_o> ?
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  • [02:38:04] <iswilson> No. I guess I didn't connect correctly. I connected to the bone via "screen /dev/tty.usb*B 115200
  • [02:38:07] <iswilson> "
  • [02:38:12] <alan_o> That's fine
  • [02:38:23] <alan_o> do you know what I mean by eject?
  • [02:38:37] <alan_o> do you see the USB disk show up in finder?
  • [02:38:49] <prpplague> alan_o: it has taken me almost 2 decades to finally get there
  • [02:38:58] <prpplague> alan_o: now i want to go back already
  • [02:39:23] <iswilson> Yeah, I do know how to eject! I no longer see the USB Disk in finder
  • [02:39:57] <alan_o> prpplague: yeah, I bet. I love England. Never been up to the north part though. Spent a lot of time in Hampshire.
  • [02:40:18] <alan_o> iswilson: hmm, what's your dmesg say on the bone?
  • [02:40:28] <alan_o> anything good at the end related to g_ether?
  • [02:40:49] <alan_o> actually......
  • [02:41:49] <iswilson> Just run dmesg in the still open terminal that I open using the "screen" command?
  • [02:42:25] <alan_o> there's something on one page I saw about how "safely remove device" is not good enough.
  • [02:42:35] <alan_o> run the dmesg on the bone
  • [02:42:44] <alan_o> so if your screen command has connected you to the bone, then yes
  • [02:44:12] <iswilson> Alan, thank you so much for your patience now. I am still connected to the bone via Screen, and I ran it and it returned a lot.
  • [02:44:19] <alan_o> ok
  • [02:44:24] <alan_o> anything g_ether related at the bottom?
  • [02:44:40] <alan_o> use pastebin if you want to send the log
  • [02:45:15] <iswilson> I see "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready" at teh bottom
  • [02:45:21] <alan_o> http://beagleboard.org/getting-started/
  • [02:45:25] <alan_o> That's the one I was looking for
  • [02:45:31] <alan_o> it's not eth0
  • [02:45:35] <alan_o> on the bone, it will be usb0
  • [02:45:54] <alan_o> running mountain lion?
  • [02:46:02] <iswilson> Running ML
  • [02:46:04] <alan_o> ok, so read that link I sent
  • [02:47:25] <iswilson> http://pastebin.com/embed_js.php?i=QMGymNGC
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  • [02:47:42] <alan_o> yes.....
  • [02:47:53] <alan_o> try what's in that second link I gave you
  • [02:47:55] <alan_o> should be all there
  • [02:48:04] <iswilson> I'll read the link, but I just wanted to finish up the pastebin
  • [02:48:11] <alan_o> word
  • [02:49:59] <iswilson> Yay! I see usb0, link encap: ethernet
  • [02:50:26] <alan_o> w00t!
  • [02:50:33] <alan_o> so now you're all done. The rest is just IT :)
  • [02:52:15] <iswilson> Alan you are hero!
  • [02:52:48] <alan_o> hehe... well, if I were better, I'd have sent you to the proper doc in the first place.....
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  • [02:59:41] <iswilson> Is there any way to easily access the onboard LEDs?
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  • [03:03:11] <alan_o> iswilson: look at /sys/class/led ... something like that. use tab-complete :)
  • [03:03:19] <alan_o> familiar with sysfs?
  • [03:04:42] <alan_o> So since you're new here..... it's important to realize that the beagle products are very hacker-oriented, and as such there are a lot of resources online with what mdp likes to call "varying degrees of wrongness"
  • [03:05:11] <alan_o> google is often your friend. For example, it found this for me: http://beaglebone.cameon.net/home/using-the-user-leds
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  • [03:09:41] <iswilson> Oh this google thing. I should probably stop asking questions and search more. Thanks much Alan
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  • [03:10:09] <iswilson> What do you do with the beagle products?
  • [03:10:32] <alan_o> iswilson: No problem. It's ok to ask questions. You'll typically get better answers if you google around first.
  • [03:11:22] <alan_o> Right now, I use the bone as a general purpose system for developing/testing my driver code.
  • [03:11:45] <alan_o> I recently made a driver for a Microchip 802.15.4 module.
  • [03:11:57] <alan_o> but I haven't booted my bone in a couple weeks :(
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  • [03:13:30] <iswilson> Are there any off the shell bluetooth implementations for Beagle Bone?
  • [03:13:55] <iswilson> (I did actually peak around about this, and most of what I stumbled upon were USB based solutions, rather than capes)
  • [03:14:29] <alan_o> I don't know about that one.
  • [03:15:21] <alan_o> looks like circuitco is working on something
  • [03:21:09] <ds2> USB bluetooth should work as-is
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  • [11:48:17] <keesj> What is the difference between the MMCHS_IE and MMCHS_ISE register (Interrupt SD enable register
  • [11:48:35] <keesj> v.s. Interrupt signal enable register
  • [11:48:40] <keesj> )
  • [11:49:25] <keesj> is the signal one guiding the interrupt to the interrupt controller?
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  • [11:55:47] <keesj> (yes)
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  • [12:28:17] <av500> http://www.broadcom.com/products/Cellular/3G-Baseband-Processors/BCM21553
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  • [13:15:28] * koen looks at the empty README in the git repo
  • [13:15:45] <koen> should I bother to fill it in or just accept that no one will actually read it
  • [13:15:58] <mdp> it's a trap!
  • [13:15:58] <mru> koen: did you check the backside?
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  • [13:24:46] <mtroy> hi all
  • [13:25:12] <mtroy> can i control 12 micro servo (or more) with the beaglebone ?
  • [13:26:47] <Phrewfuf|work> mtroy: does it have 12 PWM channels?
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  • [13:27:57] <koen> you can hook all 12 to a single channel
  • [13:28:39] <mtroy> i dont have dedicated controller for the servo
  • [13:29:09] <mtroy> i wonder if i juste can converti gpio mode to use all servo at the same time
  • [13:30:08] <Phrewfuf|work> koen: really? but then you have those fancy PPM servos, if you have the el-cheapo ones, then it's not as easy AFAIR
  • [13:30:35] <koen> Phrewfuf|work: I was kidding
  • [13:30:44] <av500> how unprofessional
  • [13:31:14] <mdp> you can add as many as you can add i2c/spi pwm controllers too
  • [13:31:35] <Phrewfuf|work> koen: actually...you could hook all t oone channel...ne never said that he wanted to drive them independently :D
  • [13:31:54] <koen> that was the gist of my remark :)
  • [13:32:05] <mdp> koen->meanie++
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  • [13:33:51] <Phrewfuf|work> anyway, AFAIR there are the old servos which need separate channels, the normal ones where you can use one channel for multiple servos (don't ask me how many exactly) and the modern fancy ones with a digital interface...daisychaining FTW
  • [13:41:43] <mtroy> im novice
  • [13:42:13] <mtroy> i want to know which pin can i connect to my servo
  • [13:42:48] <mtroy> i've the map of P9 and P8 but i cant find where can i plug them
  • [13:45:03] <mdp> https://github.com/bradfa/beaglebone_pinmux_tables
  • [13:46:54] <mdp> mtroy, if you know you want to hook to a pwm...and the h/w pwm block is called ehrpwm..then you can find the possible pins from that
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  • [13:47:59] <mtroy> aaah tanks !!
  • [13:49:10] <mdp> mtroy, for the most part you'll see that the pin names line up 1:1 with the different peripheral blocks described in the TRM..so you can find most everything that way
  • [13:49:26] * mdp carefully avoids absolutes
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  • [13:53:47] <mtroy> ok
  • [13:53:49] <mtroy> then
  • [13:53:52] <mtroy> for example
  • [13:54:15] <mtroy> i can convert all pins P8 to 7th mode
  • [13:54:29] <mtroy> and plug my servos on it ?
  • [13:55:05] <av500> dont you want PWM?
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  • [13:56:49] <koen> there are 8 pwm channels on the expansion connectors
  • [13:57:04] <koen> 10 if you count the 2 current sinks in the PMIC header
  • [13:57:15] <koen> so that leaves 4 channels
  • [13:57:27] <koen> which you can do with gpio or with pru+gpio
  • [13:57:30] <koen> or SPI
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  • [13:58:34] <mdp> or i2c
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  • [13:59:02] <mdp> koen, sounds like you are suggesting some bitbanging
  • [13:59:27] <koen> I was
  • [13:59:28] <mtroy> https://github.com/maxpowel/BeagleBone-Tools/blob/master/servo/example.py
  • [13:59:33] <koen> completely out of character
  • [13:59:40] <mtroy> i've founded this
  • [14:00:00] <mtroy> but i dont know if i can use it with 12 servo
  • [14:00:15] <mtroy> u said the bbone have only 8PWM ?
  • [14:00:16] <av500> no
  • [14:00:21] <av500> yes
  • [14:01:15] <mtroy> then
  • [14:01:26] <av500> bone has only 8 PWM
  • [14:01:27] <mtroy> i must use digital i/o ?
  • [14:01:32] <av500> you can do 4 more with some tricks
  • [14:01:37] <av500> as kone said:
  • [14:01:43] <av500> [15:57:15] <koen> so that leaves 4 channels
  • [14:01:44] <av500> [15:57:27] <koen> which you can do with gpio or with pru+gpio
  • [14:01:46] <av500> [15:57:30] <koen> or SPI
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  • [14:01:51] <mtroy> i dont see the pwm pin on the pins map
  • [14:02:06] <koen> p8 45 and 46 are 2
  • [14:02:16] <av500> [15:46:54] <mdp> mtroy, if you know you want to hook to a pwm...and the h/w pwm block is called ehrpwm..then you can find the possible pins from that
  • [14:02:17] <koen> as is p8 36
  • [14:02:31] <koen> ecap is the other pwm
  • [14:02:45] <mtroy> 35 to ?
  • [14:02:54] <mtroy> ops
  • [14:02:55] <mtroy> 34*
  • [14:03:16] <koen> not sure, I used the bebopr cape as cheatsheet, that only uses 3 pwms
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  • [14:04:21] <av500> just use 2x bones
  • [14:05:07] <mdp> koen, I think the ecap-as-pwm thing throws people off a lot
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  • [14:05:30] <koen> yeah
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  • [14:05:39] <mdp> koen, keeps people on their toes!
  • [14:06:24] <av500> so 6 pwm pwms and 2 ecap pwms?
  • [14:06:38] <av500> pwmwpwmwpwmwmw
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  • [14:06:42] <mdp> av500, yeah, the ecap block has a couple pwms in it
  • [14:06:53] <av500> ya, we put pwm in your pwm too
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  • [14:07:01] <mdp> and to my knowledge we have no driver for the ecap-iness of the ecap
  • [14:07:10] <mdp> but my knowledge is woefully limited
  • [14:07:21] <av500> it's TI, no driver is the default state
  • [14:07:26] <koen> not for am335x
  • [14:07:35] <koen> there should be ecap drivers for the other platforms
  • [14:07:48] <av500> for centaurus
  • [14:07:54] <mdp> toss me another beer and I shall disseminate additional wrong information
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  • [14:08:09] * bradfa throws beer on mdp
  • [14:08:14] <mdp> mmm
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  • [14:43:53] <mtroy> and
  • [14:44:20] <mtroy> i suppose i must use lot of logic converter ? (servo = 48 / 6v)
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  • [14:46:56] <ztroy> ztroy = mtroy
  • [14:47:35] <ztroy> then, 1 logic converter (3.3 to 5v) can be sufficient for 12 servo ?
  • [14:47:42] <ztroy> or i need more logic conv ?
  • [14:51:30] <ztroy> i've shipped that http://shop.boxtec.ch/logic-level-converter-p-40705.html
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  • [15:10:16] <av500> D^2: what?
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  • [15:21:36] <av500> is there no TRM for the M4 on the lunchpack?
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  • [15:22:57] <av500> ah there is
  • [15:23:02] <av500> just ti search cannot find it
  • [15:23:45] <ztroy> hmmm why when i enable gpio39, the led wont light ?
  • [15:23:48] <ztroy> echo 1 > gpio39/value
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  • [15:24:28] <mdp> av500, 1200 pages of bed-time reading
  • [15:24:41] <av500> yes
  • [15:25:02] <mdp> I've been reading while waiting for my lunchpaddles to arrive
  • [15:25:30] <mdp> it's an arduino killer!
  • [15:25:33] <av500> :)
  • [15:25:36] <mdp> ;)
  • [15:25:40] <av500> compiled ucLinux for it?
  • [15:26:19] <mdp> my life is complete with only the stellarisware that's in ROM
  • [15:26:38] <av500> what doth it do?
  • [15:27:09] <mdp> it's hard to argue with having the complete set of peripheral apis in ROM on the part
  • [15:27:14] <mdp> assuming they aren't broken, that is
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  • [15:29:27] <av500> nice, serial boot
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  • [15:34:10] <alan_o> ztroy: did you set the direction? Which board? Would you be better served with /sys/class/leds ?
  • [15:37:14] <phh> ztroy: for gpioX/value to work, you need to be in gpio mode (mode 7 i think)
  • [15:37:20] <phh> and it could be upside down
  • [15:37:24] <phh> (ie 0 is on, 1 is off)
  • [15:41:58] <ztroy> i use bbone
  • [15:42:06] <ztroy> and i set the direction to out
  • [15:42:41] <ztroy> how can i know the active mode ?
  • [15:42:45] <mranostay> morning old peoples
  • [15:43:01] <mranostay> esp _av500_
  • [15:43:05] <av500> \o/
  • [15:43:52] <thurbad> hehehe
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  • [15:45:25] <ztroy> echo 39 > export; echo out > gpio39/direction; echo 1 > gpio39/value
  • [15:45:25] <ztroy> that what i make
  • [15:45:38] <ztroy> but the led staying off
  • [15:45:47] <alan_o> ok
  • [15:45:50] <alan_o> did you try echo 0 ?
  • [15:45:59] <alan_o> can't remember whether it's active-low
  • [15:46:11] <alan_o> besides.... did you try /sys/class/leds ?
  • [15:46:16] <ztroy> when i echo 1, directly after, cat value show 0...
  • [15:46:37] <alan_o> ok, that's probably because the leds driver is using it
  • [15:46:45] <ztroy> active_low is at 0
  • [15:46:47] <alan_o> if you look into, say, /sys/class/leds......
  • [15:47:13] <ztroy> class/leds is used for user led on board
  • [15:47:21] <alan_o> yes it is.
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  • [15:47:26] <mdp> mranostay, welcome, punk
  • [15:47:30] <alan_o> and that's what you want, right?
  • [15:47:37] <ztroy> but i wanna use a true led
  • [15:47:48] <ztroy> not the smd
  • [15:47:58] <alan_o> ok, meaning that you jammed a LED into one of the connectors?
  • [15:48:04] <ztroy> yes
  • [15:48:11] <ztroy> gnd 1
  • [15:48:19] <ztroy> and P8.4
  • [15:48:30] <ztroy> that why i use gpio39
  • [15:48:41] <alan_o> ok, I'm not sure that those outputs are pulled up.
  • [15:48:50] <mdp> av500, serial boot...talking about LP M4?
  • [15:48:51] <alan_o> are you familiar with pulling up, and switching ground?
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  • [15:49:03] <av500> mdp: yep
  • [15:49:27] <mdp> yeah, nice featurelist...DFU too
  • [15:49:48] <mdp> we can't afford DFU on am335x
  • [15:50:06] <ztroy> ok when i echo 1 > active_low, the value stay on 1
  • [15:50:08] <alan_o> ztroy: however.... you say that you echo the value and it doesn't read properly. Can't remember whether that can be expected or not
  • [15:50:13] <ztroy> but always off
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  • [15:50:30] <av500> jkridner was right: http://brendaneich.github.com/Strange-Loop-2012/#/50
  • [15:50:52] <jkridner> :)
  • [15:51:39] <mdp> heh
  • [15:52:03] <alan_o> ztroy: http://www.nathandumont.com/node/250
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  • [15:52:33] <alan_o> probably didn't do the mux right. I wasn't thinking about mux because I originally thought you were using the on-board leds.
  • [15:52:40] <av500> mdp: its true, I read it on the net
  • [15:52:42] <mdp> av500, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzkRVzciAZg convinced me to not argue with Node
  • [15:53:31] <av500> mdp: in fact I dont care *what exactly* makes my endorsementville so speedy
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  • [15:53:51] <av500> as long as Zyngedin rocks
  • [15:54:18] <av500> I'm a happy Paycheckbook camper
  • [15:54:18] <ztroy> /sys/kernel/debug/omap_mux/gpmc_ad6 i'll try to put in mode 7
  • [15:54:25] <mdp> as long as recruiters understand my complete and total mastery of Google Search, I'm ok with anything
  • [15:55:11] <ztroy> hmmm why m'y /sys/kernel/debug/ is empty ???
  • [15:55:18] <av500> not mounted
  • [15:55:24] <ztroy> im running archlinux
  • [15:55:34] <av500> even that needs to mount it
  • [15:55:52] <alan_o> mdp: hilarious
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  • [15:56:04] <alan_o> mdp: "but I'm a total speed junkie"
  • [15:56:10] <jsabeaudry> ztroy, debugfs /sys/kernel/debug debugfs 0 0 in your /etc/fstab
  • [15:56:16] <mdp> alan_o: ;)
  • [15:57:07] <av500> nice a $10 ebook reader: http://www.buchreport.de/nachrichten/online/online_nachricht/datum/2012/10/09/spuerhund-soll-massenmarkt-erschliessen.htm
  • [15:57:13] <av500> can we run android on it?
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  • [15:58:10] <mdp> can you imagine a beowulf cluster of those things?
  • [15:58:28] <av500> I want 20 of them in a spiral binder
  • [15:58:37] <alan_o> "alternating between problems that are already solved and problems that don't actually exist"
  • [15:58:50] <ztroy> aah tanks
  • [15:59:08] <mranostay> alan_o: if we don't create problems how will we keep employed? :)
  • [15:59:09] <alan_o> ztroy: work now?
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  • [15:59:54] <av500> mdp: can you imagine how many embedded engineers that stellarisware is putting out of jobs?
  • [16:00:04] <av500> I wont mention the ROM to my boss!
  • [16:00:54] <mdp> yes, the eye of sauron is in dallas
  • [16:01:36] <ztroy> YEAH
  • [16:01:52] <ztroy> gpmc_ad7 had still in mode 0
  • [16:01:53] <av500> one does not simply use ROM code for GPIO!!!
  • [16:01:54] <mdp> av500, you'll be retrained as an analog guy
  • [16:02:04] <ztroy> now in 7th its works !!!
  • [16:02:09] <ztroy> tanks all
  • [16:02:28] <av500> Love Is the Seventh Mode
  • [16:02:37] <mdp> heh
  • [16:02:40] <Russ> av500, dammit, my new kindle is arriving today, why do you need to post that now
  • [16:02:47] <av500> Russ: because!
  • [16:02:57] <mdp> Russ, paperwhite?
  • [16:03:00] <koen> Russ: paperwhite?
  • [16:03:05] <Russ> paperwhite
  • [16:03:05] <av500> paperwipe?
  • [16:03:18] <mdp> Russ, will like to hear your review
  • [16:03:24] <Russ> interesting, 'Sp??rhund' translates to 'Beagle'
  • [16:03:40] <av500> Russ: but this one is: ???No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.???
  • [16:03:42] <mdp> I'm still rocking my pre kindle keyboard kindle keyboard ;)
  • [16:03:45] <mru> Russ: makes sense
  • [16:04:09] <mru> the beagle is a tracking dog
  • [16:05:16] <mdp> much in the same way, the Beagleboard tracks down solutions to problems.
  • [16:05:41] <jkridner> mdp: while I agree there is some of that going on by folks that don't understand it and just repeat the message, it is a nice tool.
  • [16:05:45] <mranostay> mdp: any of your beagles named Boris?
  • [16:06:42] <mdp> jkridner, I was actually trying my hand at some beagle marketeering there ;)
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  • [16:07:13] <mdp> mranostay, absolutely not, they do not have mustaches
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  • [16:09:39] <alan_o> dang it mdp, now I'm watching these dang videos....... MongoDB vs MySQL, also hilarious.
  • [16:10:04] <mdp> alan_o, it's a tempting alternative to my current torture
  • [16:10:41] <alan_o> "If /dev/null is fast in web-scale, then I will use it... is it web-scale?"
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  • [16:11:10] <mranostay> what is mongodb?
  • [16:11:23] <alan_o> hipster nosql database
  • [16:11:26] <mranostay> did i misss yet another database engine
  • [16:11:46] <av500> the latest trend is nodbv
  • [16:11:47] <alan_o> what do you mean by "miss?" :)
  • [16:11:48] <av500> the latest trend is nodb
  • [16:12:03] <av500> in fact nodata movement is gaining traction fast
  • [16:12:20] <av500> specially among the nophone crowd
  • [16:12:33] <mdp> alan_o, this one deserves a parody but I don't know of one, "Coding everything in C or C++ makes you leet. The more you suffer, the more leet you obviously are. Using languages like Lisp or Python or somesuch is just a cop-out for people who aren't able to write low-level code because they are stupid, and they are unable to deal with the low-level stuff."
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  • [16:12:49] <mdp> alan_o, from some ubuntu ph0rum
  • [16:12:50] <alan_o> av500: hey, nophone... now that sounds great to me :)
  • [16:13:27] <av500> alan_o: more at #noirc
  • [16:13:45] <alan_o> av500: is that on twitter?
  • [16:13:46] <mdp> is there a nomeetings movement?
  • [16:14:14] <av500> mdp: nothatweknowoff
  • [16:14:44] <alan_o> mdp: I guess I don't quite get it... is the C/C++ thing sarcastic when said?
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  • [16:15:14] <mdp> yes, he's poking at C/C++ people
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  • [16:15:33] <ds2> hmmmm
  • [16:15:48] <av500> hmm, one of them even woke up
  • [16:18:48] <mdp> alan_o, hopefully you've seen real programmers before: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~elf/hack/realmen.html
  • [16:19:01] <alan_o> mdp: yeah, I love that one.
  • [16:19:16] <mdp> it had more character on usenet
  • [16:19:20] <mdp> during fortran class ;)
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  • [16:20:52] <alan_o> mdp: yeah.. It's fun to read that article (essay?) and see how it's all the same arguments as today.
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  • [16:21:21] <alan_o> being one of those low-level guys, it feels like the whole profession must be so much more watered down than it used to.
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  • [16:21:59] <mdp> alan_o, it's reminded me of a few lines I'd like to use wrt the PRU ;)
  • [16:22:32] <alan_o> I was talking to a friend about some of the people he works with, and I said something like, "that's where using git would be great, because you could have everyone on their own branch and send pull requests to whoever is in charge, like we do in OSS." He responded with, "these people can't even get their head around subversion."
  • [16:23:15] <alan_o> hehe, I haven't done the PRU yet. It's on my list though.
  • [16:23:53] <mdp> if it can't be done in assembly, it's not worth doing
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  • [16:29:47] <bradfa> I'm bad at scopes, though, so take my "square" wave with a grain of salt
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  • [16:49:07] <jkridner> koen: I'm getting a different error building nodejs now: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1269571/
  • [16:49:36] <koen> ouch
  • [16:49:43] <koen> it's trying to access your host
  • [16:50:03] <koen> jkridner: btw, open conf/local.conf and tweak the settings to threads
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  • [16:52:10] <SilicaGel> bradfa: thanks!
  • [16:52:16] <SilicaGel> bradfa: the main thing really is
  • [16:52:41] <SilicaGel> bradfa: I appreciate the suggestion of wiring up an SD (storage) card up to that interface. That's not somethign I had even thought of, and it is a really good idea.
  • [16:52:48] <SilicaGel> That will let me figure out if it works at all
  • [16:53:10] <jkridner> koen: yeah... any idea why?
  • [16:53:43] <SilicaGel> Right now there's just too many issues ... Wl12712 drivers, firmware loaders, pin selection for the other signals. There's a lot to go wrong, but if I wire an SD memory card up to it and it works...
  • [16:54:00] <SilicaGel> bradfa: the other piece of all this taht amkes it worse is a 3.3V to 1.8V automatic bidirectional switch
  • [16:54:02] <koen> jkridner: no, sorry
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  • [17:02:26] <bradfa> SilicaGel, who's got a 3.3 to 1.8 switch?
  • [17:03:11] <bradfa> mdp, you'll be happy, I printed my pin-mux tables on 11x17 paper, they're glorious!
  • [17:03:30] <mdp> bradfa, want!
  • [17:03:46] <bradfa> I send you a copy though the Internets!
  • [17:03:46] <mdp> I shall consult the keeper of the 11x17 printbed
  • [17:04:02] <mdp> winmail.dat format?
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  • [17:04:22] <mdp> bradfa, or stuffit?!?
  • [17:04:22] <bradfa> yes!
  • [17:04:32] <bradfa> both, simultaneously!
  • [17:04:38] * mdp bounces
  • [17:05:16] <mdp> bradfa, we already had a happy support customer I use the electrons-nics version on this morning
  • [17:05:40] <mdp> closed that ticket out...fast
  • [17:06:07] <bradfa> good to hear!
  • [17:06:20] <mdp> another happy #beagle customer ;)
  • [17:06:54] <bradfa> mdp, you have support tickets for #beagle customers?
  • [17:07:01] <mdp> hehe
  • [17:07:05] <bradfa> do you print them out?
  • [17:07:36] <mdp> the channel does sometimes have a helpdesk feel to it
  • [17:08:00] <alan_o> I thought that was part of the point :)
  • [17:08:05] <mdp> maybe more like the BOFH type helpdesk, but a helpdesk nontheless
  • [17:08:18] <alan_o> depends whether mru is on :)
  • [17:08:50] <mru> have you tried turning it off and on again?
  • [17:09:54] <mdp> ...speaking of Usenet era phenomena
  • [17:10:07] <mru> usenet still exists
  • [17:10:19] <mru> and guess what, september finally ended
  • [17:10:21] <mdp> so by definition, we are still in that era..I see
  • [17:10:25] <mdp> nooooo!!!!
  • [17:10:37] <mru> the idiots all went to facebook and whatnot
  • [17:11:36] <mdp> ph0rums
  • [17:11:39] <av500> mdp: why is usb not in the LM4 TRM?
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  • [17:13:29] <mdp> av500, rev. D of datasheet in chapter 18?
  • [17:14:14] <av500> named "analog comparators"?
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  • [17:14:38] <av500> to bitbang it?
  • [17:15:00] <Russ> I don't always use analog comparators
  • [17:15:03] <Russ> but when I do...
  • [17:15:10] <av500> mdp: darn
  • [17:15:19] <av500> er
  • [17:15:25] <av500> why does the website say no ueb?
  • [17:15:26] <mdp> spms294d.pdf
  • [17:15:27] <av500> usb?
  • [17:15:43] <av500> SPMS321C
  • [17:15:54] <mdp> uh oh, maybe I grabbed the wrong sheet for another part in the line
  • [17:15:54] <av500> LM4F210H5QR
  • [17:16:03] <av500> aint that the one on lunchpack?
  • [17:16:10] <av500> http://www.ti.com/product/lm4f210h5qr
  • [17:16:58] <av500> aargh
  • [17:17:00] <av500> 210 vs 120
  • [17:17:39] <mdp> yeah, I have the LM4F120H5QR
  • [17:17:40] <mdp> open
  • [17:17:50] <av500> stupid typing, should stick to copy&pasta
  • [17:18:20] <mdp> my lunchboxes are still not here
  • [17:18:22] <mdp> starving
  • [17:18:45] <av500> same here
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  • [17:34:02] <alan_o> What's this lunchbox thing?
  • [17:34:09] <alan_o> I'm having a hard time googling for it
  • [17:34:49] <bradfa> lunchbox == launchpad
  • [17:34:58] <bradfa> ?
  • [17:35:13] <alan_o> no :)
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  • [17:35:28] <alan_o> mdp and av500 have been talking about them a couple days
  • [17:35:43] <bradfa> I got my launchpad yesterday, go go TI paying for 2 day FedEx...
  • [17:36:00] <mdp> bradfa, just like getting samples ;)
  • [17:37:54] <alan_o> oh wait, maybe you were serious
  • [17:38:05] <alan_o> is that what it is, a launchpad?
  • [17:38:25] <alan_o> first thing popped into my head was launchpad.net when you said that :)
  • [17:38:44] <mdp> model rocket launchpad, yes
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  • [17:41:11] <alan_o> You guys getting this Red Bull Stratos thing about to launch?
  • [17:41:14] <alan_o> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vkJ5ItzEq3M
  • [17:42:21] <SilicaGel> bradfa: I do, it's a T.I. part. The problem is the TiWi-R2 module needs 1.8V logic levels.
  • [17:42:34] <alan_o> nevermind on the balloon thing.... just aborted
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  • [18:00:00] * SilicaGel Do Not Eat
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  • [18:03:02] <Phrewfuf> heh, good old "donoteat"
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  • [18:10:42] <jkridner> I'm at my wit's end trying to get OE to build nodejs. :(
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  • [18:13:49] <alan_o> ugh... I hate those kind of problems :(
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  • [18:15:59] <woglinde> problems occur everywhere
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  • [18:22:40] <mranostay> build system problems are up there with root canals
  • [18:24:31] <alan_o> To me it's like fixing the lawnmower or weedeater...... it's the work I have to do, in order to start doing my work.
  • [18:24:57] <alan_o> It's bad enough that I have to mow the lawn........
  • [18:25:09] <mranostay> i don't have a lawn
  • [18:25:17] <alan_o> Looking at the schedule, and the length of grass.... if I don't get out there today.. .I don't know when it will happen.
  • [18:25:19] <mranostay> am i missing the point though?
  • [18:25:24] * mdp adds jkridner into his #beagle questions statistics
  • [18:25:41] <mdp> now 41% OE questions
  • [18:25:50] <jkridner> :)
  • [18:25:52] <mdp> ;)
  • [18:26:12] <jkridner> expression of frustration = question? :)
  • [18:26:19] <mdp> yes!
  • [18:26:28] <mdp> I'm lying with statistics...'tis the season
  • [18:26:42] <woglinde> frustration?
  • [18:26:43] <alan_o> I think that's _always_ in season
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  • [18:26:51] <alan_o> no, lying :)
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  • [18:28:17] <mranostay> bring me the head of a Yocto developer!
  • [18:28:26] * mranostay notes he got carried away
  • [18:28:27] <mdp> "usb is badass rockstar technology"
  • [18:28:38] <mdp> you said it's in season, right?
  • [18:29:00] <mdp> mranostay, heh
  • [18:29:53] <alan_o> hey hey..... I'm a USB guy...
  • [18:30:21] <alan_o> but yes, USB is a pain. But there's no opportunity in things which aren't hard.
  • [18:30:47] <koen> mranostay: you mean: bring me the head of a Yocto *Project* developer!
  • [18:30:48] <mdp> and no I in team!
  • [18:30:59] <koen> mranostay: don't want to get sued for bad use of trademarks
  • [18:31:15] <mdp> alan_o, we are dangerously close to a team building exercise and stage falls with talk like that
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  • [18:31:43] <alan_o> hah
  • [18:32:20] <alan_o> I suppose so, but everything that makes USB hard are the things that put cash in my pocket.
  • [18:32:28] <alan_o> That was my point :)
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  • [18:35:43] <mdp> alan_o, for some reason, that reminds me of http://www.despair.com/consulting.html
  • [18:35:51] <mdp> an office favorite
  • [18:35:56] <alan_o> yes
  • [18:36:10] <alan_o> one of my favorites.....
  • [18:36:25] <alan_o> I will say that I am not guilty of that.
  • [18:37:23] <alan_o> So what algorithm does the "N people like $website on facebook" use to determine which 5 pictures to put up?
  • [18:38:32] <mdp> sort_by_max_advertiser_revenue()
  • [18:40:13] <alan_o> 371M people like dispair.com on facebook. Aren't there only 500M people on facebook?
  • [18:40:51] <alan_o> 60+% of fb users have clicked "like" for dispair.com? seems wrong.
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  • [18:58:00] <_av500_> 1000M people
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  • [19:03:38] <Russ> alan_o, they are using webcams on peoples computers now to detect a hint of a smile
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  • [19:06:30] <thurbad> fire those smilers :P
  • [19:10:16] <alan_o> sounds about right
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  • [19:11:13] <bradfa> SilicaGel, am335x HSMMC can run with 1.8 v levels
  • [19:11:13] <bradfa> whether Linux makes that easy, I don't know
  • [19:11:25] <alan_o> if you don't look mad, you're not working hard enough
  • [19:11:28] <SilicaGel> WITHOUT thos etranslators?
  • [19:11:31] <SilicaGel> Even in SDIO mode?
  • [19:11:34] <SilicaGel> Are you crapping me?
  • [19:16:47] <bradfa> SilicaGel, have to run to meeting, look through am335x trm, I belive I'm write
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  • [19:30:22] <djlewis> I look madder than hell !
  • [19:31:07] * djlewis is multitask working on 9 computers
  • [19:31:15] <_av500_> 3x43 grid?
  • [19:31:17] <_av500_> 3x3
  • [19:31:29] <_av500_> or SIL?
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  • [19:36:20] <_av500_> looks like he deadlocked
  • [19:36:22] <mdp> djlewis, does the include your calculator-watch?
  • [19:36:53] * djlewis does not wear watches or jewelry
  • [19:37:44] <djlewis> no rings on my fingers.. no rings on my toes, no ring i my nose... needs music accompanment
  • [19:37:48] <_av500_> they always tangle in the chain mail
  • [19:37:51] <mdp> for some reason I was think of the classic 1980s calculator watches
  • [19:38:02] <djlewis> saw one once.
  • [19:38:22] * djlewis did have a LED digital watch in 77
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  • [20:28:10] <alan_o> for $24 you can have one again: http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/e59d/?rkgid=275668648&cpg=ogpla&source=google_pla&gclid=CLm3tb3i9LICFQQGnQod_h4AvQ
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  • [20:28:37] <alan_o> Sorry, should have cut that link down, most of it is tracking... arrrrgh.
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  • [20:29:56] <alan_o> oh man, I had no idea: http://www.oobject.com/category/top-15-classic-calculator-watches/
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  • [20:35:45] <mdp> alan_o, #2 is the gold standard from my memory
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  • [20:46:33] <thurbad> I had the #2 and #3 watches
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  • [21:00:17] <djlewis> looks like about 1/2 dozen didnt get the idea of watch calc
  • [21:01:15] <thurbad> yeah.. look more like calcs strapped to a wrist
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  • [21:02:30] <mdp> thurbad, #2 seemed quite cool in 1981
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  • [22:36:46] <learningc> hi
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  • [22:55:36] <ds2> arrrrrg
  • [22:55:44] <ds2> mini bgas and DRC @#$#$@#%@#%$#@$@
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  • [22:57:10] <Russ> 4/4?
  • [22:57:11] <joelagnel> :)
  • [22:57:56] <ds2> 6/6
  • [22:58:01] <ds2> cost reasons
  • [22:58:01] <s5fs> went to radioshack for an hdmi->dvi cable, $45. that sad.
  • [22:58:26] <ds2> order it online
  • [22:58:38] <s5fs> yeah, $6 shipped from amazon, and it's blue
  • [22:59:22] <Russ> 0.8mm?
  • [22:59:39] <Russ> monoprice
  • [23:00:11] <djlewis> instant gratification counts for some $$
  • [23:00:34] <s5fs> okay, so i'm flipping coins between ubuntu and openembedded. OE seems to have better documentation on bitbake and since i've gotta build a custom kernel and some packages and such, it seems like being able to compile off the device to be a plus. i've never done any cross-compiling before, any thoughts on which distro is a better fit?
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  • [23:07:45] <ds2> 0.75mm
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  • [23:11:35] <Russ> ds2, yikes
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  • [23:11:49] <Russ> hopefully no vias
  • [23:12:35] <Russ> and I hope the pads are less than 290um
  • [23:13:14] <Russ> http://pastebin.com/x7qnjgxw hmm...looks at r, looks at i, looks at r, looks at i
  • [23:18:54] <ds2> nope. hence the problem
  • [23:19:06] <ds2> recommend pad size is 0.30mm
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  • [23:21:37] <Russ> eh, I'm sure changing it by 10um won't be a problem
  • [23:22:30] <ds2> I am already using the min. material values for the ball size to get that value
  • [23:22:39] <ds2> the ISO recommendation is a 0.35mm pad
  • [23:22:45] <Russ> I'm guessing you are getting mountainous HASL along with your 6/6?
  • [23:24:07] <ds2> donno...
  • [23:24:19] <ds2> you know of a 4/4, 4 layer place that will do it cheap?
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  • [23:24:38] <Russ> nope
  • [23:24:51] <ds2> no place does 4/4, 4L cheap
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  • [23:25:05] <ds2> 5/5, 4L is the closest I can find...6/6, 4L is all over
  • [23:25:11] <Russ> if you are concerned with pad size, you might try making them 0.30 dia, but clipping the sides
  • [23:25:25] <ds2> they are round already
  • [23:25:41] <Russ> right, making the sides the traces are running past squared
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  • [23:26:04] <ds2> oooh
  • [23:26:25] <ds2> know if that is better then just using a 0.29 pad?
  • [23:26:41] <ds2> 8 balls is the trouble area
  • [23:26:49] <mranostay> TMI
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  • [23:28:26] <ds2> the middle pads
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  • [23:36:04] <Russ> mranostay, then don't click on this! http://www.caltexsci.com/images/Hirox/BGA%20defect.jpg
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  • [23:37:45] <Russ> http://koti.mbnet.fi/jahonen/Electronics/Stuff/BGA_rework.jpg
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  • [23:55:31] <ds2> yes... found a VIA less solution
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