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  • [03:23:58] <mranostay> hi emeb_mac
  • [03:24:08] <emeb_mac> Hi
  • [03:24:21] <mranostay> so how goes the FPGA caping?
  • [03:24:51] <emeb_mac> Sent one of the boards off to ka6sox this morning, ordered remaining parts last night.
  • [03:25:19] <emeb_mac> probably spend some time building it next weekend.
  • [03:25:40] <emeb_mac> Need to get caught up on what the latest thing is for Beaglebone OS.
  • [03:26:05] <emeb_mac> I'm used to using Angstrom, but I haven't followed closely and it looks like there have been a lot of kernel changes lately.
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  • [03:27:08] <emeb_mac> So I need to make sure I know how to get all the drivers I need running before I can test out the FPGA.
  • [03:27:28] <emeb_mac> (need spidev & I2C access from userspace)
  • [03:27:41] <mranostay> so what is the BOM cost if you don't mind saying
  • [03:28:13] <emeb_mac> That's a 4-layer board. I had it fabbed @ OSHPark and it runs about $24 for the bare PCB.
  • [03:28:37] <mranostay> heh
  • [03:28:40] <emeb_mac> The electrical components probably add another $30-40.
  • [03:28:55] <mranostay> really needed 4 layers?
  • [03:29:09] <emeb_mac> If someone were to build these in qty they would likely cost about $50 retail.
  • [03:29:25] <mranostay> ok not too bad
  • [03:29:44] <mranostay> you plan on selling it retail? :)
  • [03:29:55] <emeb_mac> Not personally.
  • [03:30:13] <emeb_mac> I have talked with someone about it, but things are moving slowly on that front.
  • [03:30:34] <mranostay> heh i am using 1% on my UPS
  • [03:30:58] <emeb_mac> sorry - what?
  • [03:31:58] <mranostay> oh nothing i figured all the ARM boards i have hanging off that would use more power :)
  • [03:32:14] <emeb_mac> re - your earlier question about layers. No, it could fit on 2, but it's a lot cleaner w/ 4.
  • [03:32:35] <emeb_mac> and OSHPark's pricing for 4-layer is not bad at all.
  • [03:33:10] <emeb_mac> Ah - UPS is measuring your power drain.
  • [03:33:42] <ka6sox> morning
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  • [03:35:16] <ka6sox> the GPMC code I've seen has a lot of NAND ecc junk we don't need
  • [03:36:09] <emeb_mac> Overboard with it!
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  • [03:37:40] * mranostay stalks ka6sox's mailbox
  • [03:38:11] <ka6sox> good thing I have a locked mailbox :D
  • [03:38:28] <mranostay> yeah about those locks they suck :)
  • [03:38:45] <ka6sox> yup
  • [03:39:41] <mranostay> i've jammed pocketknives in them before
  • [03:39:55] <mranostay> well not mailboxs and they have opened
  • [03:40:01] <ka6sox> yup
  • [03:40:24] <ka6sox> I think I have the latest BOM and will get parts monday
  • [03:40:47] <mranostay> ka6sox: that looks like some detailed soldering to do
  • [03:41:02] <ka6sox> mranostay, I've done worse
  • [03:41:47] <ka6sox> pretty sure this is 0.5mm
  • [03:42:18] <ka6sox> I'm probably going to oven the top side and solder the bottom
  • [03:47:24] <emeb_mac> Yeah - FPGA is 0.5mm. I've done 'em by hand before.
  • [03:47:34] <emeb_mac> the backside caps are easy to do by hand though
  • [03:48:13] <ka6sox> I have paste...so I'll toothpick it.
  • [03:48:52] <ka6sox> I've done vqfp64's before...this is 100pin of same...
  • [03:52:00] <mranostay> don't use the toothpick afterwards :P
  • [03:52:06] <emeb_mac> har
  • [03:52:36] <ka6sox> heh
  • [03:53:10] <ka6sox> what I need it a wooden stick to nail down the fPGA...it will "float"
  • [03:53:52] <mranostay> of course i think soldering in poorly vented apartment isn't much better
  • [03:54:03] <ka6sox> right
  • [03:54:56] <emeb_mac> eh - could be worse. You don't need much solder for these boards. If you generate fumes you're using too much.
  • [03:55:08] <ka6sox> yup
  • [03:55:18] <ka6sox> this is much easier than QFN parts
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  • [03:56:03] <emeb_mac> ka6sox: the xtal osc on this board is one of those ceramic things with 4-pins. Kind of a low-end QFN.
  • [03:56:31] <emeb_mac> I haven't had any issues soldering those.
  • [03:57:16] <ka6sox> I did a controller for RepRap and that used QFN and a resonator that had those 4 pins...never an issue
  • [03:57:19] <emeb_mac> but it's got no center pad like most QFN do. That gets tough.
  • [03:57:32] <ka6sox> that center pad was a nightmare
  • [03:57:39] <emeb_mac> def need to reflow those.
  • [03:57:54] <ka6sox> thats what I will do with this board too.
  • [03:58:01] <ka6sox> longer to setup, easier to get right
  • [03:58:56] * mranostay attempts to grok c++
  • [03:59:09] * ka6sox gave up and went back to VHDL
  • [03:59:58] <emeb_mac> baroo? two very different application spaces.
  • [04:03:01] * emeb_mac ponders getting a hoof tip for his hakko 936 to do the "blob-drag" technique.
  • [04:03:15] <ka6sox> that tip is "da bomb"....
  • [04:03:27] <emeb_mac> Oh?
  • [04:05:35] <mranostay> ok time to switch to my other vice beer
  • [04:06:03] <ka6sox> I've used it..works nice
  • [04:06:40] <emeb_mac> this look about right? http://www.frys.com/product/250157?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
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  • [04:07:13] <ka6sox> that is a 1/8" right
  • [04:07:17] <ka6sox> (looks like it to me)
  • [04:08:23] <emeb_mac> not sure - checking.
  • [04:11:13] <emeb_mac> for $5 I'll swing by and get one tomorrow.
  • [04:11:29] <emeb_mac> looks like about 1/8"
  • [04:13:26] <emeb_mac> need to get some liquid flux too. Video demos I've seen of that use a _lot_
  • [04:22:48] <ka6sox> liberally
  • [04:23:07] <ka6sox> get water soluable though
  • [04:23:18] <ka6sox> that way its only HOT water to clean up.
  • [04:30:57] <mranostay> ka6sox: another chemical that is just great for you :)
  • [04:31:57] <ka6sox> rosin?
  • [04:32:34] <mranostay> yeah
  • [04:34:01] <ka6sox> I've make it this far.......
  • [04:34:59] <emeb_mac> rosin is natural - comes from pine trees!
  • [04:35:14] <ka6sox> yup
  • [04:35:34] <mranostay> it's natural!
  • [04:35:39] <mranostay> famous last words :)
  • [04:37:54] <emeb_mac> black widow spiders and rattlesnakes are natural too. Don't make 'em good for you.
  • [04:38:05] <emeb_mac> but rattlesnakes are yummy.
  • [04:39:25] <mranostay> heh
  • [04:40:08] <ka6sox> tastes like chicken...
  • [04:40:52] <mranostay> emeb_mac: where do you live? :)
  • [04:41:09] <emeb_mac> Arizona
  • [04:44:20] <emeb_mac> http://instagram.com/p/KlCM1FpIC7/ <- a few months ago
  • [04:47:07] <mranostay> nice camo...
  • [04:49:07] * mranostay looks for the nearest superfund site
  • [04:57:19] <trelane> mranostay, dumping a corpse?
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  • [05:05:05] <mranostay> trelane: need an above average background radation
  • [05:10:13] <ka6sox> emeb_mac, 6' or so?
  • [05:10:52] <emeb_mac> ka6sox: probably a bit shorter. Hard to tell because I didn't see him uncoil
  • [05:11:45] <ka6sox> I got cornered by one about that big in a building last winter
  • [05:11:58] <ka6sox> stepped over him
  • [05:12:05] <mranostay> fun times
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  • [05:12:17] <ka6sox> the phone was beyond him
  • [05:12:24] <ka6sox> and I left my cellphone in the car
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  • [05:12:52] <ka6sox> so I had to send an email on the encoder computer to the client...
  • [05:13:08] <mranostay> heh
  • [05:13:09] <ka6sox> "help! I'm being held captive by a 6' rattlesnake"
  • [05:13:19] <ka6sox> his Outlook cut it off at:
  • [05:13:31] <ka6sox> "help! I'm being held captive by a 6' rat
  • [05:13:36] <mranostay> hehe
  • [05:13:41] * emeb_mac remembers that day
  • [05:13:54] <ka6sox> that was an "interesting" day...
  • [05:15:58] <emeb_mac> I'll bet folks w/ electric cars in CA are smirking these days
  • [05:16:58] <ka6sox> 4.89 tonight
  • [05:17:36] <mranostay> yeah i noticed
  • [05:17:39] <emeb_mac> oil companies: "your wallet looks a little heavy - let me help you with that..."
  • [05:17:43] <mranostay> $25 for a half a tank..
  • [05:17:55] <mranostay> i drive a compact even
  • [05:18:25] * emeb_mac is used to seeing those prices along I-5 around Dunsmuir, but nowhere else.
  • [05:18:39] <mranostay> the real solution is RTG cars :P
  • [05:18:58] <emeb_mac> that would open up a market for your product!
  • [05:19:05] <mranostay> heh
  • [05:19:22] <mranostay> new meter on the dashboard
  • [05:19:46] <mranostay> or a "check core" light
  • [05:20:25] <emeb_mac> need a sample of Geordi Laforge shouting something about a core breach.
  • [05:20:32] <ka6sox> mranostay, I saw a good RTG in a muesum here
  • [05:21:01] <emeb_mac> hopefully decommissioned
  • [05:21:16] <ka6sox> barely...
  • [05:21:29] <ka6sox> it was part of Rocketdyne
  • [05:21:34] <mranostay> heh
  • [05:22:10] <mranostay> every time i hear of them i think --> http://toxipedia.org/display/toxipedia/Rocketdyne
  • [05:22:37] <emeb_mac> that's it - cars powered by NERVA engines.
  • [05:23:03] <mranostay> hazmat team called out for major wrecks? :)
  • [05:23:26] <emeb_mac> yep
  • [05:24:02] <emeb_mac> remember when hybrids first started to show up - fire/rescue crews were worried about HV, battery chemicals, etc.
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  • [05:50:31] <mranostay> why does every G+ mobile photo uploaded have "edited" on it
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  • [06:49:48] <_av500_> mranostay: edited by google
  • [06:49:53] <_av500_> to remove indecency
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  • [10:27:50] <koen> ka6sox-away: that is going to be the supported bone kernel soon: mainline
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