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  • [01:17:39] <jkridner__> Dhiraj_: I'm back from my chores.
  • [01:19:03] <prpplague> jkridner__: you boss release you for the evening?
  • [01:20:05] <jkridner__> not really. She's looking for me to join her as soon as I finish my errands.
  • [01:20:26] <ds2> 'finish' is subjective, isn't it? :D
  • [01:21:56] <jkridner__> Dhiraj_: you don't seem to have left off the data bus, no? or is this a shared adds/data mode?
  • [01:22:10] <jkridner__> ds2: indeed it is. :)
  • [01:22:13] <prpplague> jkridner__: ahh your electric collar is still functional..... my wife's remote is out of range with her visiting he relatives....
  • [01:23:00] <jkridner__> it is in suspend mode while she does some work herself.
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  • [01:44:58] <mru> prpplague: plz help!!1! i am facing an issue with botting give exact steps for good linux boot plz
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  • [01:58:04] <prpplague> hehe
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  • [02:02:25] <mdp> prpplague, PM me please...need exact steps...help. plugged 12v into my pandaborad and need simple recovery
  • [02:02:38] <prpplague> hehe
  • [02:10:35] <aholler> a customer for the overltage protectors, Sir
  • [02:11:43] <koen> prpplague: does 100 exact steps constitute a centipede?
  • [02:13:58] <aholler> no, but 1 knob
  • [02:14:09] <jkridner> Dhiraj_: there is a syntax error in what I downloaded.
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  • [02:16:53] <jkridner> Dhiraj_: also, the header file isn't included.
  • [02:18:02] <jkridner> guess I need to download sys-bios
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  • [02:51:37] <KeatonT> lol
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  • [07:56:21] <gmpff> Finally got my Beaglebone capturing video via UVC camera :)
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  • [08:28:36] <bobsickle> nice
  • [08:28:59] <bobsickle> care to put a writeup of it somewhere?
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  • [08:36:58] <stuk_gen> what is the command to view the dependency of a .so on beagleboard?
  • [08:37:27] <stuk_gen> ldd not?
  • [08:41:16] <stuk_gen> yes ldd
  • [08:42:25] <stuk_gen> one question...what i need to using gstreamer? i insall gst-plugin-base,gstreamer-ti,libgstaudio but don't work...i think i need another package
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  • [09:42:21] <gmpff> stuk_gen: what error does streamer give ?
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  • [09:43:06] <stuk_gen> gmpff: if i using qt phonon..its says that i need libgstreamer-plugin-base
  • [09:43:13] <stuk_gen> gmpff: but i've just installed
  • [09:43:37] <stuk_gen> gmpff: i think i need some packet but i don't know what
  • [09:44:12] <gmpff> which distro ?
  • [09:44:15] <stuk_gen> angstrom
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  • [09:47:09] <gmpff> So you installed gst-plugins-base-dev ?
  • [09:47:24] <gmpff> I don't have Angstrom device booted up so I can't look at opkg now.
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  • [09:49:19] <stuk_gen> gmpff: i install gst-plugin-base
  • [09:50:13] <stuk_gen> plugins*
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  • [11:23:21] <gmpff> stuk_gen: does installing gst-plugin-base-dev not resolve your problem ?
  • [11:23:32] <stuk_gen> gmpff: no
  • [11:24:16] <gmpff> ok
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  • [11:31:26] <aholler> hmm, big.little = am.pru ;)
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  • [11:45:00] <mdp> aholler, ;)
  • [11:45:57] * mdp finds a printed copy of the 1995 linux kernel hackers guide while cleaning up the basement
  • [11:47:42] <aholler> just have read the article at lwn about big.little, so it looks like there were really some interesting topics at LC in HK ;)
  • [11:48:47] <mdp> ahh, 0.6 alpha version is at https://www.cs.elte.hu/local/Linux-bible/khg/khg.html
  • [11:48:57] <mdp> my how things have changed
  • [11:49:28] <mdp> aholler, yeah, panto (who is around here) works on big.little scheduler stuff...
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  • [12:02:53] <panto> hi mdp
  • [12:03:13] <panto> aholler, yeah - lots of activity nothing to show for it yet :)
  • [12:04:14] <mdp> hi panto
  • [12:13:35] <tasslehoff> koen: fyi: the current sgx drivers in oe-core works for me with linux 2.6.39 on Beagle C3. don't know if that info is worth anything to you :)
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  • [13:18:14] <seb_workfly> Hi, i'm using a BeagleBone. I'm programming on my pc with arm-linux-gnueabi-g++ to compile for the beaglebone. It seems some libraries i use like opencv and artoolkitplus are incompatible (Eclipse tell me that it is skipping te library because it is incompatible when i try to compile). Do you know how i could solve this ? I'm relatively new to ubuntu and cross-compiling... Thanks
  • [13:18:14] <aholler> heyuniverse
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  • [13:23:01] <koen> seb_workfly: follow the angstrom instructions or build natively
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  • [13:28:52] <kag_anil> i am getting "U-Boot SPL 2011.09-00000-gf63b270-dirty (Nov14 2011 - 10:37:14)
  • [13:28:53] <kag_anil> Texas Instruments Revision detection unimplemented
  • [13:29:08] <kag_anil> Incorrect magic number in EEPROM
  • [13:29:21] <kag_anil> read_eeprom() failure
  • [13:29:23] <kag_anil> :
  • [13:29:27] <kag_anil> 0,
  • [13:29:28] <kag_anil> ""
  • [13:29:36] <seb_workfly> koen:what do you mean by building natively ? i installed ubuntu on my beaglebone
  • [13:29:48] <kag_anil> not natively...
  • [13:30:01] <kag_anil> it's the sd card image which came with my beagle bone
  • [13:30:13] <ogra_> seb_workfly, he means to build on he bone
  • [13:30:17] <ogra_> *the
  • [13:30:48] <ogra_> (which on ubuntu is actually your best option)
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  • [13:32:51] <kag_anil> anyone having any idea what can be wrong with the configuration??
  • [13:34:07] <seb_workfly> i followed a tutorial and played with leds and helloworld thing and i built on my pc with no problem. if i build on the bone directly, i wont have library problems ? I don't understand why :/
  • [13:35:14] <aholler> because cross-compiling is not native compiling
  • [13:36:10] <aholler> it's that easy ;)
  • [13:36:12] <stuk_gen> i'm trying running qt phonon gstreamer but i have some problem...this is gst-inspect http://pastebin.com/kiDNysw7 is there something wrong?
  • [13:37:18] <stuk_gen> i installed gst-plugins-base... but qt says that i haven't install gst-plugins-base
  • [13:37:46] <koen> seb_workfly: if you're using ubuntu then you need to ask in the ubuntu channel
  • [13:40:19] <seb_workfly> but i think the problem comes from compatibility between the libraries and arm architecture, no ?
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  • [13:44:32] <stuk_gen> what install gst-plugins-base?
  • [13:44:49] <stuk_gen> i think the problem is gst-plugins-base install nothing XD
  • [13:45:05] <aholler> man opkg
  • [13:45:25] * ogra_ doubts that will be found on ubuntu ;)
  • [13:45:52] <stuk_gen> aholler: lol man command not found
  • [13:46:02] <aholler> ogra_: stuk_gen doesn't fight with ubuntu ;)
  • [13:46:16] <stuk_gen> aholler: ubuntu?
  • [13:46:20] <stuk_gen> aholler: i'm in angstrom
  • [13:46:48] <ogra_> aholler, geez, sorry, blind man on this keyboard today
  • [13:47:13] <aholler> I assume he hasn't said this today ;)
  • [13:47:44] <stuk_gen> i don't know why if i use opkg install somepackage
  • [13:47:52] <stuk_gen> this fails witho somepackage not found
  • [13:48:03] <stuk_gen> but if i use wget http....blabla...somepackage
  • [13:48:11] <stuk_gen> opkg install somepackage this works
  • [13:48:34] <stuk_gen> and the package is take from angstrom repos
  • [13:55:18] <koen> stuk_gen: opkg update ; opkg install gst-plugins-base-meta
  • [13:55:24] <stuk_gen> is there a way to using opkg install gst-plugins-*
  • [13:55:39] <stuk_gen> koen: ok i'm trying
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  • [15:00:48] <xxiao> to add hdmi support to beagle who pays for that loyalty/license fee?
  • [15:01:31] <jacekowski> it's not matter of licensing
  • [15:01:38] <jacekowski> it's matter of hardware on bb
  • [15:01:52] <jacekowski> and bb has only dvi serialiser
  • [15:01:55] <jacekowski> i'm not sure about xM
  • [15:02:07] <mru> neither has actual hdmi
  • [15:02:11] <mru> only the connector
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  • [15:02:16] <mru> and there's no fee for using the connector
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  • [15:02:39] <jacekowski> well, is there a fee for hdmi?
  • [15:02:41] <mru> you need to pay to use the HDMI(tm) trademark
  • [15:02:45] <jacekowski> i though they reused dvi spec
  • [15:02:46] <xxiao> http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/terms.aspx
  • [15:02:59] <mru> and you need to pay a lot to get HDCP keys should you want that
  • [15:03:00] <jacekowski> and that's free and everything
  • [15:03:10] <jacekowski> mru: you can get them free of the interwebs
  • [15:03:12] <mru> hdmi is largely overlapping with dvi
  • [15:03:25] <mru> yes, I know the master key was cracked
  • [15:03:30] <mru> that's beside the point
  • [15:03:38] <mranostay> mru: overlapping but has extra cool features
  • [15:03:57] <xxiao> mru: for hdcp is more trick, TI will need to burn the key, and both TI and its customer need sign NDA and pay
  • [15:04:06] <mru> hdmi defines data islands for audio and other low-bandwith stuff
  • [15:04:14] <xxiao> a chip with/without hdcp will be sold differently, those with hdcp is more pricey
  • [15:04:24] <mru> recent versions of the spec also add crazy stuff like ethernet
  • [15:04:43] <xxiao> mru: we're using that indeed, it's 100Mbps
  • [15:05:05] <jacekowski> well, i think HDMI as such should have never been created
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  • [15:05:09] <mru> dvi supports a wider range of timings
  • [15:05:15] <jacekowski> it should have been 1G ethernet or 10G ethernet
  • [15:05:24] <jacekowski> and compress the data
  • [15:05:30] <mru> bullshit
  • [15:05:39] <jacekowski> or in case of all dvd's and stuff, just decompress it on display
  • [15:05:43] <mru> when dvi was defined, 10G ethernet was barely heard of
  • [15:05:52] <jacekowski> well, you have 1G ethernet
  • [15:05:57] <mru> not enough bandwidth
  • [15:06:03] <jacekowski> enough for compressed streams
  • [15:06:15] <mru> are you totally out of your mind?
  • [15:06:22] <mru> it's a display interface
  • [15:06:28] <mru> you can't even assume the image is compressible
  • [15:06:31] <xxiao> i noticed there are some chips removed hdmi port from design due to the cost
  • [15:06:32] <aholler> yeah, people should need to setup networks to use tv(-players)
  • [15:06:41] <xxiao> instead they do dvi + audio
  • [15:06:47] <mranostay> mru: be nice :P
  • [15:07:02] <mru> mranostay: that was me being nice
  • [15:07:04] <jacekowski> mru: well, blu ray is 36Mbits
  • [15:07:05] <aholler> why doing something simple if it can be complicated ;)
  • [15:07:06] <jacekowski> and hmmm
  • [15:07:08] <mru> want to see me being rude?
  • [15:07:18] <mru> jacekowski: irrelevant
  • [15:07:20] <mranostay> heh
  • [15:07:47] <mru> dvi and hdmi are _display_ interfaces
  • [15:07:53] <jacekowski> 1080p(((1920 * 1080 * 32 * 30) / 8) / 1024) / 1024
  • [15:07:59] <jacekowski> 237MB/s
  • [15:08:11] <mru> you're holding it wrong
  • [15:08:17] <jacekowski> or 2Gbits
  • [15:08:21] <jacekowski> under 2Gbits
  • [15:08:22] <stuk_gen> koen: now i can play video (slow) but i can't listen audio
  • [15:08:28] <mru> way more than 1Gbit
  • [15:08:48] <jacekowski> mru: 2Gbits
  • [15:08:55] <mru> yes, 2 > 1
  • [15:09:03] <mru> and your calculation is flawed
  • [15:09:07] <mru> you need more bits than that
  • [15:09:09] <jacekowski> 32bits
  • [15:09:17] <mru> there's overhead
  • [15:09:22] <mru> and audio
  • [15:09:32] <jacekowski> first HDMI had under 2Gbits
  • [15:09:39] <jacekowski> because hdmi could do 60fps
  • [15:09:44] <jacekowski> 4Gbits*
  • [15:09:51] <agmlego> jacekowski: The bigger issue is determinism, which HDMI has and Ethernet does not.
  • [15:09:53] <mru> what point are you trying to make?
  • [15:10:00] <mru> agmlego: that too
  • [15:10:05] <jacekowski> that it could have been done over ethernet easily
  • [15:10:07] <mru> dvi/hdmi is synchronous
  • [15:10:25] <mru> jacekowski: how do you push 2Gbit/s over 1GbE?
  • [15:10:29] <mranostay> heh
  • [15:10:29] <agmlego> Easily, but not well.
  • [15:10:40] <mranostay> magically i suppose
  • [15:10:57] <xxiao> hold on, ethernet in hdmi was never intended for video/audio
  • [15:10:57] <mru> 10GbE is still _very_ expensive
  • [15:11:09] <xxiao> it's for the 3rd pipe, data
  • [15:11:14] <jacekowski> 4GbE isn't
  • [15:11:19] <mru> there is no such spec
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  • [15:11:26] <xxiao> so you can do something like dlna/upnp/etc
  • [15:11:27] <mru> xxiao: I think jacekowski is trying to argue that there should never have been anything but ethernet
  • [15:11:41] <mru> not very successfully, I might add
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  • [15:12:36] <jacekowski> thing is, hdmi is used in most places to connect blu ray/dvb-t/something else to tv
  • [15:12:41] <jacekowski> where data is compressed
  • [15:12:46] <mru> no, it's not
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  • [15:13:20] <mranostay> blu ray for sure isn't compressed
  • [15:13:34] <mru> the _video_ stream on the disc is of course compressed
  • [15:13:41] <mru> but the player does things with it
  • [15:13:45] <mru> like overlay subtitles
  • [15:13:47] <mru> or menus
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  • [15:14:10] <av500> mru: we already established here that USB should have been etherner, I guess hdmi is next.....
  • [15:14:10] <jacekowski> fact is i'm using dlna over wifi at home to display stuff from my laptop on tv
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  • [15:14:27] <agmlego> Like decompressing it.
  • [15:14:32] <mru> you really don't have a clue at all, do you?
  • [15:14:49] <jacekowski> mru: it could have been done at least over IP
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  • [15:14:59] <mru> dlna is a protocol for a media player to acquire media files over a network
  • [15:15:05] <jacekowski> and then when faster ethernet would become availible
  • [15:15:07] <jacekowski> mru: stream
  • [15:15:09] <xxiao> maybe in the future we only need one ethernet cable
  • [15:15:14] <mdp> is that like dna?
  • [15:15:16] <mru> it's common nowadays for TVs to have a built-in media player
  • [15:15:17] <xxiao> that's called 802.1Qbb
  • [15:15:22] <jannau> av500: PCIe is next to be replaced by ethernet?
  • [15:15:36] <xxiao> lossless ethernet that is, emerging in FCoE now
  • [15:15:46] <aholler> hmm, bitbaking 802.1Q
  • [15:15:54] <jacekowski> mru: dlna is a protocol based quite a lot on upnp
  • [15:15:56] <xxiao> but that's like 5+ years away and you will need replace all switches in-between
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  • [15:16:00] <mru> jannau: PCIe is a packet protocol
  • [15:16:45] <jacekowski> mru: and dlna is used to stream media from a server to renderer
  • [15:17:16] <av500> jannau: of course
  • [15:17:19] <av500> jannau: then the SDRAM bus
  • [15:17:28] <mru> jacekowski: you know as little about dlna as you do about hdmi, apparently
  • [15:17:38] <mru> av500: that was rambus
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  • [15:17:49] <aholler> that are all dreams, we are still using three wire serials???
  • [15:18:38] <Sh0rtWave> HI all
  • [15:18:42] <jacekowski> mru: well, i've done some software doing dlna
  • [15:18:56] <jacekowski> mru: including software to stream my laptop display live to a tv
  • [15:18:57] <mru> that does not imply understanding basic concepts
  • [15:19:01] <woglinde> hiho
  • [15:19:04] <jannau> av500: so the cpu becomes a large ethernet controller with switch, that makes everything simple
  • [15:19:05] * xxiao just uses minidlna and it works fine
  • [15:19:15] <jacekowski> mru: i know how the protocol works and what it does
  • [15:19:27] <av500> so what has it to do with hdmi and dvi?
  • [15:19:28] <jacekowski> mru: i don't care what person designing it had in mind
  • [15:19:34] <mru> dlna is (sort of) the network equivalent of a bluray disc
  • [15:19:44] <mru> it has _nothing_ to do with display
  • [15:19:58] <jacekowski> yes and no
  • [15:20:03] <jacekowski> it transfers data to be displayed
  • [15:20:14] <mru> no, it transfers data to be *decoded*
  • [15:20:21] <jacekowski> and displayed
  • [15:20:28] <mru> that's a separate problem
  • [15:20:52] <jacekowski> all i'm saying is that hdmi should have been done at least over IP
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  • [15:21:02] <jacekowski> so it could have been easily upgraded to 10G ethernet later
  • [15:21:11] <mru> I wouldn't be surprised if those TVs used hdmi internally between the player and the display
  • [15:21:12] <xxiao> jacekowski: even 10G is lossy
  • [15:21:47] <jacekowski> xxiao: but using IP and later ethernet would unify everything
  • [15:21:47] <aholler> adding layers for fun and profit ;)
  • [15:21:50] <mru> for a display interface, you want a _synchronous_ protocol
  • [15:21:52] <xxiao> plus 10G requires good ddr bus and even cpu, that means heat and price for consumer devices
  • [15:21:52] <av500> because hdmi is based on dvi
  • [15:21:56] <mru> IP is not synchronous
  • [15:22:07] <av500> and dvi is from a time when you cannot transport that data over ethernet
  • [15:22:14] <av500> and what mru says
  • [15:22:15] <jacekowski> mru: well, have you seen onlive
  • [15:22:16] <mru> hdmi was based on dvi because dvi was already widely used
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  • [15:22:21] <av500> dvi has to work on DUMB transmitters
  • [15:22:24] <jacekowski> mru: they worked around those problems quite well
  • [15:22:38] <mru> I know more than you think about onlive
  • [15:23:03] <educa> koen, how did you manage to have male headers on topside while having plugged in your BB to the BeBoPr ??? Did you solder on new headers ?
  • [15:23:09] <jacekowski> so you know that it's possible to stream live picture over slow ethernet
  • [15:23:12] <jacekowski> with quite good results
  • [15:23:32] <av500> yes
  • [15:23:32] <mru> you're completely misunderstanding again
  • [15:23:34] <av500> compressed
  • [15:23:37] <mru> onlive streams a _compressed_ image
  • [15:23:38] <av500> but not pixel for pixel
  • [15:23:41] <av500> which dvi needs
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  • [15:23:48] <mru> you can't do that for a generic display interface
  • [15:23:54] <av500> you dont want your doc to miss your cancer due to compression
  • [15:24:12] <woglinde> av500 lol
  • [15:24:12] <jacekowski> a - losless compression
  • [15:24:20] <av500> not possible
  • [15:24:23] <woglinde> I dont do cancer stuff via internet
  • [15:24:25] <av500> compress random bits
  • [15:25:16] <woglinde> args
  • [15:25:23] <woglinde> crappy dsl line again
  • [15:25:44] <jacekowski> well, i said that it could have been done over ip
  • [15:25:48] <mru> a mass-market display interface has 3 basic requirements: 1) high bandwidth, 2) synchronous, 3) cheap
  • [15:25:51] <jacekowski> and then upgraded to ethernet when it becomes cheaper
  • [15:26:01] <mru> IP fails #2
  • [15:26:17] <mru> any ethernet with enough bandwidth fails #3
  • [15:26:35] <xxiao> mru: 802.11Qbb is to solve that, priority-based pause frame , hopefully
  • [15:26:37] <jacekowski> IP doesn't fail 2
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  • [15:26:41] <xxiao> QoS at MAC level
  • [15:26:41] <mru> and now you're confusing different layers of the protocol stack
  • [15:26:50] <jacekowski> IP has nothing to do with it
  • [15:27:06] <jacekowski> internet is non deterministic
  • [15:27:20] <jacekowski> but ethernet can be deterministic
  • [15:27:32] <mru> but ethernet is not an option
  • [15:27:47] <jacekowski> any other interface can be designed as deterministi
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  • [15:28:55] <mru> all else aside, IP is needlessly complex
  • [15:29:07] <mru> there is exactly one sender and one receiver
  • [15:29:14] <mru> it's a *one-way* link
  • [15:29:16] <jacekowski> not always
  • [15:29:21] <mru> dvi is
  • [15:29:26] <jacekowski> hdmi isn't
  • [15:29:29] <mru> is too
  • [15:29:31] <jacekowski> and dvi isn't as well
  • [15:29:37] <jacekowski> it has i2c communication
  • [15:29:40] <mru> lol
  • [15:29:44] <mru> I knew you'd say that
  • [15:29:46] <jacekowski> and CEC included in the standard
  • [15:29:57] <mru> I'm talking only about the main video link
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  • [15:30:15] <mru> the i2c side channel is there only as a convenience really
  • [15:30:19] <koen> educa: I had someone solder on different headers
  • [15:30:28] <educa> I see
  • [15:30:29] <mru> so the source can query supported timings
  • [15:30:39] <jacekowski> then if you have ethernet you could have everything connected
  • [15:30:45] <educa> I'm going to test my bebopr tonight since I had to return it for small change
  • [15:30:46] <jacekowski> watch same dvd in different rooms
  • [15:31:06] <educa> my purpose is not to command a 3dprinter but a cnc laser cutter machine
  • [15:31:16] <woglinde_> thunderboooolt
  • [15:31:38] <jacekowski> with hdmi your player has to be next to tv
  • [15:31:43] <mru> oh, he was hit by lightning and had his brain mostly fried?
  • [15:31:45] <jacekowski> or any other display
  • [15:31:46] <mru> that would explain a lot
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  • [15:32:40] <koen> educa: nice!
  • [15:32:53] <educa> well the bb certainly should be fast enough
  • [15:33:14] <educa> and I will need 50kHz steprates and fast moments
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  • [15:35:16] <stuk_gen> koen: i installed but i get no audio
  • [15:35:41] <stuk_gen> koen: if i try gst-launch-0.10 audiotestsrc ! audioconvert ! alsasink i get Playback open error on device 'default': No such file or directory
  • [15:35:42] <woglinde> hi stuk_gen powervr qt plugin running now?
  • [15:35:48] <stuk_gen> woglinde: yes
  • [15:36:02] <stuk_gen> woglinde: on beagleboard and bone
  • [15:36:02] <woglinde> and is it faster?
  • [15:36:21] <stuk_gen> woglinde: yes because move on gpu some works
  • [15:36:42] <stuk_gen> before i have 100% cpu busy now 40 50%
  • [15:36:50] <woglinde> ugh
  • [15:36:57] <stuk_gen> now i try to run phonon and gstreamer
  • [15:36:57] <woglinde> what did you code to get 100% cpu
  • [15:37:05] <stuk_gen> opengl effect
  • [15:37:47] <stuk_gen> i have a shader effect that run on some object and this make crazy the cpu :)
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  • [15:39:41] <stuk_gen> woglinde: now i'm trying to find a way to listen audio from gstremear, and if this work...i finally go to the step 2 :) using qt creator to cross compile
  • [15:40:16] <woglinde> lol
  • [15:41:13] <woglinde> why you need audio?
  • [15:42:25] <av500> koen: lol, since ICS you are a "stale" friend
  • [15:42:35] <stuk_gen> woglinde: because i need play some mp3 file
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  • [15:43:08] <stuk_gen> woglinde: and a little small video
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  • [15:43:42] <stuk_gen> woglinde: i think the plugins is installed but can't find the default device for audio output
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  • [15:46:42] <woglinde> stuk_gen check the wiki for audio
  • [15:46:45] <woglinde> with dsp
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  • [15:46:58] <stuk_gen> woglinde: where i can get taht?
  • [15:47:00] <stuk_gen> that*
  • [15:47:21] <woglinde> google beagleboard audio gstreamer dsp?
  • [15:47:39] <stuk_gen> elinux ok
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  • [15:49:23] <mru> hmm, I should start such a sheet...
  • [15:50:50] <stuk_gen> what i don't understand is you video works but audio not... for video is using dsp no?
  • [15:51:17] <guyzmo> urgh... to recompile the kernel with bitbake, what config file shall I modify, so my config options are taken into account ?
  • [15:53:05] <guyzmo> I tried sources/meta-ti/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-ti33x-psp-3.2/beaglebone/defconfig but I couldn't find the result in build/tmp-angstrom_v2012_05-eglibc/deploy/images/beaglebone/ config files
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  • [15:57:21] <snelly> hi.
  • [15:57:56] <aholler> the internet of things will become funny, turning neighbors tv on or off and such things. ;)
  • [15:59:33] <guyzmo> aholler - tvbgone ftw ! :)
  • [16:00:07] <aholler> for that you need a line of sight
  • [16:00:24] <av500> or a lot of light
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  • [16:02:18] <aholler> turning micros off if the news-speaker doesn't have news you like ;(
  • [16:02:37] <guyzmo> hehe
  • [16:03:07] <aholler> or just to silence politicans
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  • [16:04:44] <guyzmo> aholler - a sniper rifle is more efficient for that matter
  • [16:04:45] <guyzmo> :>
  • [16:04:52] <aholler> must be a communist idea as most things just don't know which are their owners ;)
  • [16:05:17] <mru> aholler: just wait
  • [16:05:20] <aholler> (internet of things)
  • [16:05:41] <mru> people will be implanted with a wireless ID chip at birth
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  • [16:06:09] <guyzmo> aholler - internet of things is a capitalist/liberal/whatever-makes-more-money concept
  • [16:06:23] <aholler> shared medium, shared owners ;)
  • [16:06:32] <mru> guyzmo: no, it's a buzzword
  • [16:06:37] <guyzmo> mru - indeed
  • [16:06:49] <mru> nobody actually knows what, if anything, it really means
  • [16:06:53] <guyzmo> mru - you add "IoT" on your product, and it will be better
  • [16:06:59] <mru> the phrase makes no sense at all
  • [16:07:07] * guyzmo prefers to say Ubiquitous Computing
  • [16:07:17] <guyzmo> it sounds more l33t :-p
  • [16:07:25] <mru> but that's such a complicated word
  • [16:07:26] * av500 thinks it will have synergetic effects
  • [16:07:27] <dm8tbr> for increased buzzwordyness pair it with 'in the cloud'
  • [16:07:48] <guyzmo> mru - yup, complicated, but with style
  • [16:07:50] <mru> much too sesquipedalian
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  • [16:08:15] <xxiao> sensor network with tcp/ip stack built-in
  • [16:08:32] <guyzmo> mru - uhuh
  • [16:09:04] * xxiao is looking for a kids browser
  • [16:09:22] <xxiao> that without any flash games, or any games
  • [16:09:35] <mru> lynx
  • [16:09:49] <aholler> it (internet of things) comed to my mind while thinking that nobody mentioned security in the discussion before
  • [16:10:14] <xxiao> aholler: it's getting better, more and more low-end chips have sec engine built-in nowadays
  • [16:10:16] <ogra_> the internet of things came to your mind ?
  • [16:10:35] <guyzmo> aholler - no security is for real men :)
  • [16:10:57] <xxiao> mru: i don't think lynx blocks adult-only contents...
  • [16:11:21] <guyzmo> xxiao - at least you won't see the pictures :)
  • [16:11:43] <xxiao> so far my only defense move is to use opendns
  • [16:11:55] <xxiao> but that's far from enough
  • [16:12:05] <mru> xxiao: well, it doesn't display images...
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  • [16:12:18] <ogra_> it shows all the nasty novels though
  • [16:12:19] <xxiao> meanwhile most kids browser are really flash-game browsers, which i hate
  • [16:12:23] <mru> or are you afraid of ascii porn?
  • [16:13:02] <mru> like this: http://www.textfiles.com/artscene/asciiart/ASCIIPR0N/
  • [16:13:32] <aholler> ogra_: I remembered it was a talk at fosdem
  • [16:13:45] <ogra_> ah
  • [16:14:07] <dm8tbr> mplayer with libcaca...
  • [16:14:21] <xxiao> summer is hard for me to 'monitor' kids on computers, sigh
  • [16:14:42] <xxiao> tried to tell them khanacademy.org, which lists 1000+ courses in one-page
  • [16:14:52] <koen> khaaaaaaaaan!
  • [16:14:59] <guyzmo> hm.. is this pr0n ? =8(*)8=
  • [16:15:03] <xxiao> oh, it's 3200 videos on one page!
  • [16:15:05] <guyzmo> (goatsex smiley)
  • [16:15:26] <xxiao> they need hire a UI guy
  • [16:15:55] <guyzmo> xxiao - well, you should give them uber jailed computers and let them spend their time breaking out the jail
  • [16:15:58] <guyzmo> it can take a summer :)
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  • [16:16:14] <xxiao> guyzmo: that's a good idea!
  • [16:16:17] <mru> guyzmo: not if you have physical access
  • [16:16:25] <Desert> is wayland supported in OMAP, i mean for the beagle?
  • [16:16:43] <guyzmo> mru - sure
  • [16:16:52] * guyzmo remembers when he was young
  • [16:17:02] <guyzmo> my father used to take my keyboard away
  • [16:17:16] <mru> bitbang with a paperclip
  • [16:17:17] <guyzmo> so I end up having a collection of keyboards hidden under my bed :)
  • [16:17:45] <jet> I have some problem to upgrade my beaglebone : http://www.privatepaste.com/1af6a1534b
  • [16:17:59] <aholler> today kids collecting macs ;)
  • [16:18:19] <mru> guyzmo: my mother used to take _me_ away, so I kept a clone of myself under the bed
  • [16:18:22] <jet> there is a way to fix those problems?
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  • [16:19:30] <guyzmo> jet - yup
  • [16:19:34] <guyzmo> jet - ln /var/lib/opkg/info/perl-module-build.list /var/lib/opkg/info/perl-module-build.pm.list
  • [16:19:47] <guyzmo> or ln -s
  • [16:19:48] <guyzmo> or cp
  • [16:19:52] <guyzmo> choose your weapon
  • [16:20:24] <guyzmo> (I don't know if it's a good fix, or if it has to be fixed, but when I've done that, it stopped complaining)
  • [16:20:54] <jet> same for perl-module-load.pm.list ?
  • [16:21:19] <guyzmo> yup
  • [16:21:37] <guyzmo> a moose ate the .pm
  • [16:22:29] <jet> I have less errors : http://www.privatepaste.com/c6f99f8d24
  • [16:22:50] <jet> but I have still errors
  • [16:24:05] <guyzmo> well, you can try opkg install --force shadow or something like that
  • [16:24:28] <guyzmo> or you can try to remove shadow-sysroot before installing again shadow (--reinstall I think)
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  • [16:24:41] <guyzmo> but anyway, shadow and shadow-sysroot are certainly the same
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  • [16:28:53] <jet> I'm afraid to do a mistake, with those things. I think it's safer to what to get a sd card reader and install a fresh build
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  • [16:35:00] <guyzmo> jet - well, if it breaks, you can always reflash a fresh build :)
  • [16:35:09] <guyzmo> jet - the only way to learn is to try and err
  • [16:35:36] <guyzmo> hm... !#@$ how do I rebuild the .img ?
  • [16:36:31] <jet> yes, that's true??? but I have a bunch of shadow package installed??? http://www.privatepaste.com/c4e54f1029
  • [16:37:22] <jet> and I can't remove shadow-sysroot (used by other packages)
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  • [16:39:55] <woglinde> hi djlewis
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  • [16:41:44] <djlewis> woglinde: good morning dude :)
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  • [16:53:09] <Dhiraj_> mdp, what should I use if "dev\mem" is not reliable?
  • [16:54:06] <Dhiraj_> jkridner, i will update the header files and the code again and post the link
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  • [16:55:10] <jet> Dhiraj_: what are you using /dev/mem for?
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  • [16:58:21] <mdp> Dhiraj_, you write a driver where you explicitly control how things are exposed to userspace.
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  • [16:59:16] <mdp> Dhiraj_, btw, looking at your timing diagram...I noticed that your address is not stable throughout the entire assertion time of ADVn...that looks dangerous
  • [17:00:05] <mdp> depending on your setup/hold time requirements...you may well have latched a bogus address valus
  • [17:00:59] <mdp> s/valus/value/
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  • [17:07:57] <Dhiraj_> jet, we are using the dev/mem to map gpmc config registers and gpmc memory in user space
  • [17:08:30] <jet> mdp: I'm going to write some code to use /dev/mem in order to get gpios data and to be a lot faster than opening and closing files. You are saying it's not reliable ?
  • [17:08:59] <mdp> jet, "it depends"
  • [17:09:24] <Dhiraj_> mdp, the logic analyzer is actually looking at inside the fpga. the address is stable when gpmc_advn is low. then it is flopped by gpmc_clock to guaranty it does not change during an opertion. and that is what addr_out is in the picture
  • [17:09:24] <jet> depends about what?
  • [17:09:29] <mdp> anything done there is non-portable...so you have to know _exactly_ what the behavior is of the memory region you are mmaping
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  • [17:15:37] <guyzmo> koen - could you tell me how can I regenerate an image file ? as now sdcard_image.bb is commented out
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  • [17:17:06] <mdp> jet, take Dhiraj_'s stuff, for example, he passes O_SYNC to it with the comment that it makes it non-cacheable...but that's not the case on ARM. As long as it's a valid pfn, it get marked uncached in page prot...however, O_SYNC will set write combining
  • [17:17:55] <mdp> go to another architecture, and you will find a different behavior...down to some memory regions being mapped implicitly cacheable and so on
  • [17:18:12] <jet> Dhiraj_: did you send some link about you code? I don't find it in the channel historic that I have
  • [17:18:35] <mdp> it's reliable to write your own driver and explicitly implement a mmap() op to do exactly what you want
  • [17:19:52] <mdp> in the /dev/mem case you might be reading some HOWTO written completely from an x86 perspective and you get screwed by assuming it will have the same behavior on arm...for example
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  • [17:23:28] <koen> guyzmo: mount the partition, extract tarball into it
  • [17:24:07] <guyzmo> and if I start from a fresh sdcard ?
  • [17:24:29] <guyzmo> I do one partition on it, and just untar ?
  • [17:24:41] * koen wakes up
  • [17:25:07] <koen> run the mkcard script, copy MLO+u-boot.img to the first partition, extract tarball to second partition
  • [17:25:18] <guyzmo> ok
  • [17:25:28] <Dhiraj_> jet, here are the links. http://pastebin.com/hGAFQ91R http://pastebin.com/VS9PWxQt
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  • [17:47:20] <mdp> Dhiraj_, recommend you look into how write combining will reorder your transactions
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  • [17:49:51] <mdp> doublecheck that you meet the hold time requirements since you have the address changing while ADVn is asserted..look like a partial clock period from the picture..such that the address is valid with ADVn asserted low for roughly 15ns or maybe less, but the resolution is such that I can't tell
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  • [18:57:24] <spacecolonyone> Hi guys, it appears my BBxM (angstrom, 3.2.18, systemd, connman) isn't automatically requesting a dhcp lease and I can't figure out why. ifup eth1 (this is a USB nic with a fixed mac) causes udhcpc to send out a request, but I need this to just work. In the past I had a similar issue and someone in here said that he fixed it by switching from task-base-extended to systemd-image or some such, I can't recall.
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  • [18:58:12] <spacecolonyone> I did that and it fixed it for me as well, but now I've swapped the microSD into a second BBxM at a different location and the problem has begun again!
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  • [18:58:50] <spacecolonyone> Google is not being my friend on this either.
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  • [19:15:31] <aholler> sw usually doesn't care about the specific hw it runs on. so either the hw is different or you have another problem if you use the same card
  • [19:16:00] <aholler> you might check if the request actually goes over the wire
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  • [20:12:57] <spacecolonyone> aholler: Yea, I suspect that the swapping is a red herring. The request goes over the wire (and gets a response) just fine when I do ifup eth1 from the command line.
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  • [20:45:34] <educa> en aan 40khz zou mijn PSU daar geen probleem mee mogen hebben. De datasheet zegt >20kHz
  • [20:46:00] <woglinde> nono
  • [20:46:08] <woglinde> holland made last place
  • [20:46:15] * koen actually knows which datasheet educa is talking about
  • [20:46:26] <koen> woglinde: the netherlands, holland is only 2 provinces
  • [20:46:34] <woglinde> koen I know
  • [20:46:35] <educa> laser psu :)
  • [20:46:43] <educa> and yes Koen, that was a privmsg :)
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  • [20:46:46] <woglinde> of course I know
  • [20:46:51] <woglinde> educa ah okay
  • [20:47:34] <woglinde> uhm why the hell libicon needs rpm
  • [20:47:39] <koen> educa: I've been thinking of building my own lasercutter, but I need tocomplete these half finished 3d printers first :)
  • [20:47:53] <educa> if you have a > in your message then the web chat seems to jump back to the main channel
  • [20:48:00] <educa> Koen, I'm building a HUGE one :)
  • [20:48:10] <prpplague> koen: and you need to complete at least a min of 12% of your other 50000000 projects first
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  • [20:48:22] <educa> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31zifFArKVU is his first steps to test some speed :)
  • [20:48:38] <woglinde> hi silicagel
  • [20:48:44] <SilicaGel> hi
  • [20:52:49] <SilicaGel> woglinde: winnebeck had a baby!
  • [20:52:53] <SilicaGel> Well, not him personally....
  • [20:54:02] <woglinde> SilicaGel lol me too
  • [20:54:10] <woglinde> and also not personal
  • [20:54:13] <SilicaGel> wow
  • [20:54:29] * spacecolonyone thinks his routing table is hosed
  • [20:54:51] <spacecolonyone> dns works, cant reach anything
  • [20:54:51] <woglinde> educa why you need such big laster cuter?
  • [20:55:31] <woglinde> SilicaGel how is your java project going?
  • [20:55:34] <educa> woglinde, because I want to be able to but plates sized 1220x610mm maximum
  • [20:55:53] <SilicaGel> Not very fast, I have been kind of off on another project recently
  • [20:55:53] <koen> educa: you're near nijmegen, right?
  • [20:56:01] <SilicaGel> In fact it's another java thing, not arm related.
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  • [20:56:07] <educa> koen, I'm a Belgian :)
  • [20:56:14] <SilicaGel> I'm trying to get a handle on how to use JMX to instrument a database access layer and I'm friggin boggled
  • [20:56:19] <SilicaGel> I don't understand jmx.
  • [20:56:32] <SilicaGel> I made an MXBean interface and I don't know if my DAO layer is supposed to *implement* that bean
  • [20:56:38] <woglinde> uhm jmx isnt the right think to do it
  • [20:56:41] <SilicaGel> or if I need to create an object representing the bean
  • [20:56:43] <spacecolonyone> This is totally random, but are any of you guys going to be in Amsterdam from the first week of July?
  • [20:56:52] <woglinde> thing even
  • [20:56:56] <SilicaGel> really, I thougth this was what JMX was good for
  • [20:57:01] <spacecolonyone> I'll be there for SPIE
  • [20:57:05] <woglinde> and arent there enough database abstraction layers
  • [20:57:11] <woglinde> like jpa
  • [20:57:29] <SilicaGel> yeah. this is aw hole pile of application-specific stuff
  • [20:57:45] <SilicaGel> like db.getVinForvehicle(int vehicleId);
  • [20:57:45] <koen> educa: then I'm confusing you with another dutch speaking person in #beagle
  • [20:57:54] <SilicaGel> we may convert it to jpa eventually
  • [20:58:09] <educa> ah there are more then you and Bas?
  • [20:59:43] <cvanvliet> koen, do you need parts for your printer or time?
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  • [21:02:35] <koen> cvanvliet: mostly motivation :)
  • [21:03:39] <cvanvliet> ;)
  • [21:03:52] <mdp> koen, get a work customer to need one...that'll motivate you
  • [21:04:20] <koen> mdp: work is getting me a working 3d printer already :)
  • [21:04:33] <koen> mdp: this is is tentatively for makerfaire
  • [21:04:37] <mdp> koen, that's a demotivator! ;)
  • [21:05:18] <mdp> koen, I'm convinced my work will never get me something I need like that
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  • [21:15:31] <jkridner> koen: Are you getting a booth?
  • [21:15:50] <jkridner> I don't think we've finalized on a bb.org booth.
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  • [21:22:08] <prpplague> koen: did you ever get around to trying the new version of fb-test ?
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  • [21:23:04] <mranostay> prpplague: what is this fb-test?
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  • [21:23:58] <prpplague> mranostay: just a small utility to do some color bars on linux framebuffer to assist in display bringup and testing
  • [21:32:03] <educa> is there a way to easily setup a beaglebone to also accept a telnet login ? I understand that this a lot less safe then SSH, but I have to login from a device which isn't capable of ssh but only telnet + its on internal network
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  • [21:33:28] <mranostay> what isn't capable of ssh?
  • [21:33:57] <educa> I have to login over network from a FLASH application running on an android phone. Flash cannot SSH but it can open sockets
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  • [21:34:26] <educa> so a simple telnet logon would be superb for this project
  • [21:34:44] <mranostay> er i'm sure you can find a ssh application that is a flash applet
  • [21:35:03] <educa> I'm almost sure there isn't :(
  • [21:36:18] <educa> an ssh tunnel might work, but thats an extra step and requires another pc to be running in the network
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  • [21:38:25] <mru> there are java ssh clients fwiw
  • [21:39:39] <educa> yes, but can't I just enable somehow telnet access to the beaglebone ?
  • [21:39:48] <educa> that way I can simply connect over a socket
  • [21:39:56] <educa> I don't care about the protection ssh offers
  • [21:40:00] <woglinde> educa you as on other unixes too
  • [21:40:08] <educa> since its internal closed network
  • [21:40:09] <mru> telnet is strongly discouraged these days, to put things mildly
  • [21:40:10] <woglinde> just install a telnetd
  • [21:40:26] <educa> opkg install telnetd resulted in nothing
  • [21:40:43] <educa> and sorry, in such matters I'm quite newbie
  • [21:41:06] <educa> I'm a 37 y old programmer programming allready for +- 20 years but linux is quite new for me to configure something
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  • [21:41:35] <mru> you got started late...
  • [21:41:59] <woglinde> opkg update
  • [21:42:06] <woglinde> opkg list | grep telnet ?
  • [21:42:09] <educa> I mean programming commercially :)
  • [21:42:22] <woglinde> o.O?
  • [21:42:34] <mru> oh dear, commercial programming for 20 years... you're lucky to still be alive
  • [21:42:34] <educa> I code since I'm 12
  • [21:42:36] <educa> so 25 years now
  • [21:42:40] <woglinde> I programm commercially too on opensource
  • [21:42:41] <prpplague> hehe
  • [21:42:52] <educa> hehe, I create educational software for kids mostly
  • [21:43:01] <ds2> sure you can enable telnet
  • [21:43:13] <mru> anyhow, gentoo has packages for netkit-telnetd and telnet-bsd
  • [21:43:22] <mru> and utelnetd
  • [21:43:25] <ds2> or busybox w/telnet compiled in
  • [21:43:43] <ds2> if you are doing sockets, run inetd and just have a shell listener
  • [21:44:03] <woglinde> all edu software I have seen suckz
  • [21:44:07] <woglinde> for kids
  • [21:44:13] <educa> thats the problem. you say "just run ...."
  • [21:44:18] <ds2> look at the state of kids ;)
  • [21:44:26] <educa> well thanks
  • [21:44:54] <woglinde> educa most isnt worth the money
  • [21:44:56] <mru> ds2: that won't give you a proper pty
  • [21:45:10] <mru> woglinde: not even when it's free
  • [21:45:11] <woglinde> but schools buy them
  • [21:45:17] <ds2> mru: if he's just doing sockets, what's the point of a proper pty?
  • [21:45:31] <educa> no I want a login
  • [21:45:33] <mru> uh, he wanted telnet...
  • [21:45:33] <woglinde> my son comes to school this year and they use some programs too
  • [21:45:38] <ds2> nor will it do job control
  • [21:45:49] <educa> I want my flash to login like I'm a user and then execute commands on the bb
  • [21:45:53] <woglinde> mru right an busybox enabled telent is not the same
  • [21:46:07] <woglinde> educa you are writing edu software in flash?
  • [21:46:08] <ds2> educa: you got code to handle telnet options?
  • [21:46:12] <woglinde> that suckz even more
  • [21:46:23] * mru wrote a telnet client in java once
  • [21:46:58] <educa> woglinde, actually I don't know why you like to use the words "suck" so much. I'm perfectly happy with it and so are the +- 8000 kids who use my programs every year in schools
  • [21:47:04] <woglinde> mru that isnt hard
  • [21:47:07] <educa> I know flash is absolutely not the best stuff
  • [21:47:15] <woglinde> mru but I wonder you ever touched java
  • [21:47:19] <educa> but it fits the needs
  • [21:47:30] <ds2> woglinde: got to know your enemy
  • [21:47:31] <mru> woglinde: it had to handle a variety of bizarre bugs in two different telnet servers
  • [21:47:48] <mru> and yes, they were _very_ buggy
  • [21:47:56] <mru> some inhouse stuff at ericsson
  • [21:48:10] <woglinde> bts?
  • [21:48:12] <woglinde> lol
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  • [21:48:45] <woglinde> good old times where hp didnt think of to secure the snmp of ther routers
  • [21:48:56] <mranostay> educa: well the kids don't write up the PO :)
  • [21:49:36] <woglinde> educa dont mean much if the kids are happy, they should learn something usefull
  • [21:49:39] <mru> woglinde: yes, gsm/3g stuff
  • [21:49:55] <mru> having seen the code those things run, I'm surprised the networks work at all
  • [21:50:05] <ncbas> educa: starting telnetd as daemon on the bone gives me a login prompt...
  • [21:50:09] <woglinde> mru we have openbts now
  • [21:50:19] <mru> sure
  • [21:50:39] <mru> this was 2002 btw
  • [21:50:47] <woglinde> hm
  • [21:51:21] <woglinde> yeah there were many networkstuff around which only had telnetd
  • [21:51:27] <mru> xkcd 303 describes the place pretty well
  • [21:51:42] <mru> only difference was we played darts
  • [21:52:52] <woglinde> *g*
  • [21:54:04] <aleek> first, dev version of FreeBSD/arm boots on BeagleBoard-xM
  • [21:54:06] <aleek> \o/
  • [21:54:27] <woglinde> and?
  • [21:54:40] <woglinde> no dsp and no gfx accel
  • [21:55:16] <woglinde> but he carry on your good work
  • [21:55:30] <aleek> -_-
  • [21:57:01] <woglinde> but reminds to find out if I can run smalltalk pharo image on beagle
  • [21:57:48] <mru> smalltalk is so dead, nowadays it's all big talk and small products
  • [21:57:53] <mru> like the r-pi
  • [21:58:21] <woglinde> mru no smalltalk is not dead
  • [21:58:28] <prpplague> mru: hehe
  • [21:58:31] <woglinde> its comming back
  • [21:58:38] <woglinde> and thats good
  • [21:58:49] <mru> I actually don't know much about smalltalk
  • [21:58:53] <mru> never used it
  • [21:59:14] <mranostay> mru: how about in real life? :)
  • [21:59:29] <mru> never been very good at it there
  • [21:59:49] <mru> if you have nothing meaningful to say, why bother speaking?
  • [22:00:11] <mranostay> well it does come in handy in bars
  • [22:00:11] <aholler> tro troll
  • [22:00:17] <prpplague> hehe
  • [22:00:18] <aholler> s/tro/to/
  • [22:00:37] <mru> bars are for drinking, not talking
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  • [22:01:54] <woglinde> mranostay I have no problem with that
  • [22:02:13] <mru> mranostay: no, I'd go home instead
  • [22:03:38] <mranostay> uh oh
  • [22:03:41] * mranostay hides from reanguiano
  • [22:05:21] <reanguiano> mranostay: :-)
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  • [22:13:51] <mdp> mranostay, that's what the weird guy in the corner of the bar thinks about other people.
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  • [22:20:57] <aholler> weird, isn't it?
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  • [22:24:01] <educa> do I have to type in more then just "opkg install php" to install php on my beaglebone ?
  • [22:24:39] <aholler> that's koens rule #3
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  • [22:25:23] <mranostay> heh
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  • [22:25:33] <mranostay> aholler: which is again?
  • [22:28:30] <aholler> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/30
  • [22:29:33] <educa> aholler, maybe I asked this because I did try and it didn't seem to do a lot?
  • [22:30:01] <aholler> so why you don't say it so?
  • [22:30:14] <aholler> testing our crystal balls?
  • [22:30:39] <educa> well I asked if I do have to type MORE
  • [22:30:50] <educa> but I agree the question could have been asked better
  • [22:30:50] <mranostay> heh i forgot the classics like -- > http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/50
  • [22:31:59] <educa> I'll ask more directly. There is a webserver runnning on my beaglebone. Can I install php as a scripting language on that webserver?
  • [22:33:48] <aholler> yes, at least the cli-version of php is usable in almost every web-server which can handl clis
  • [22:34:02] <educa> and how please?
  • [22:34:11] <educa> opkg install php didn't seem to do a lot
  • [22:35:03] <woglinde> opkg update
  • [22:35:10] <woglinde> opkg list | grep php
  • [22:35:41] <educa> should I run that "opkg update" multiple times a day ?
  • [22:36:14] <woglinde> no
  • [22:36:17] <woglinde> *g*
  • [22:36:33] <ds2> php should just work
  • [22:36:37] <ds2> build it from source
  • [22:36:40] <educa> should
  • [22:37:53] <ds2> the only reason it wouldn't work is due to poor coding practices that x86 allows people to get away with
  • [22:37:59] <ds2> i.e. alignment
  • [22:38:19] <ds2> other then that... PHP doesn't have assembly files or any x86 specific stuff
  • [22:39:39] <woglinde> good nite
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  • [22:40:02] <educa> and does anyone know where the main document directory for webpages can be found on the bone ?
  • [22:40:11] <educa> I installed php-cgi and php-cli
  • [22:40:24] * mranostay hands mru a beer
  • [22:40:39] <ds2> checked hte usual places, like /var/www?
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  • [22:40:47] <ds2> otherwise, look at the webserver config
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  • [22:43:26] <mru> mranostay: how'd you know my fridge was empty?
  • [22:43:58] <mranostay> mru: you don't mind a Coor's Light right? :)
  • [22:44:13] * mranostay ducks from the glass bottle throw
  • [22:44:28] <mru> mranostay: you said beer
  • [22:50:33] <mdp> mranostay, mad cow time
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  • [22:56:50] <aholler> infriday since 1 hour ;)
  • [22:56:56] <mranostay> mdp: pop a fedex label on a bottle and send to me and mru :)
  • [22:56:58] <aholler> s/inf/f/
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  • [23:07:09] <educa> ok, managed to get lighttpd running with php active.
  • [23:07:27] <educa> now 1 single last question before going to bed :) (1:07 here)
  • [23:07:42] <educa> I can currently execute php code on my bone
  • [23:07:45] <educa> but....
  • [23:08:08] <educa> can I also let my php execute another program on the bone?
  • [23:08:31] <educa> or should I somehow elevate the rights to lighttpd and php so it has the rights to run this program ?
  • [23:08:44] <educa> or should I just lower the required rights for that specific program ?
  • [23:08:53] <educa> I think the program should run as root
  • [23:09:36] <educa> again: I don't really care about the fact that it is unsafe to run php as root. This is in a closed network with only 2 PCs connected and no connection to internet
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  • [23:13:06] <aholler> no connection you know of ;)
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  • [23:16:38] <nemik> i got an ssh question...not sure if place to ask though
  • [23:16:41] <nemik> hello, so i generated a keypair that requires a passphrase. i put the public side into an authorized_hosts file on one box, then in another i'm trying to SSH in passing the private part with -i. but it doesn't prompt for pass-phrase. why is that?
  • [23:17:06] <nemik> and then obviously it fails
  • [23:18:21] <aholler> use _keys not _hosts
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  • [23:18:49] <nemik> err sorry, i meant keys.
  • [23:18:57] <nemik> i have it as keys already
  • [23:19:03] <mru> add -v and see what it says
  • [23:19:09] <mru> if nothing useful, add more -v
  • [23:21:59] <nemik> hmm says it offers the private key but nothing on why it's not accepted
  • [23:22:26] <mru> crank up the log verbosity on the server side
  • [23:22:49] <mru> plain old openssh?
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  • [23:24:20] <nemik> actually it's dropbear (the server is). i know it works without a passphrase. but i think the passphrase has to be entered on the client side, so i thought ssh (on client i have openssh) would prompt for it
  • [23:24:41] <mru> yes, it usually does that
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  • [23:41:17] <nemik> mru: so it was dropbear's fault. apparently /home/.ssh/authorized_keys is fine for all users except root. for root it wants it in /etc/dropbear :/
  • [23:41:22] <nemik> thanks for the tips!
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