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  • [00:04:52] <fiola> Looks like the auto-rejoin is joining them here automatically on kick in the other channels, working well
  • [00:05:12] <jkridner> :)
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  • [00:06:02] <fiola> Bedtime soon, but think I'm going to have fun with this board.
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  • [00:48:14] <netman87> rude think to do
  • [00:48:27] <agmlego> What was?
  • [00:48:45] <netman87> kick
  • [00:49:13] <agmlego> Oh, one moment.
  • [00:49:24] <netman87> 02:58:21 <@jkridner> I'm shutting down this channel and forwarding everyone to #beagle
  • [00:49:31] <scromp> yeah, i'm happy to have just the one
  • [00:49:44] <scromp> was getting a crick in my back straddling them
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  • [00:49:50] <jkridner> yeah, sorry it seemed rude.
  • [00:49:58] <agmlego> 19:49:03<@jkridner> I keep seeing questions in #beagleboard and #beaglebone, so I'm trying to figure out how to forward users here.
  • [00:50:01] <agmlego> 19:50:02< fiola> jkridner: Are the 3 channels being coallesced? I came here only because so little activity on #beaglebone.
  • [00:50:04] <jkridner> just didn't know a polite way to do it.
  • [00:50:04] <agmlego> 19:50:22<@jkridner> that's the goal.
  • [00:50:44] <jkridner> just wanted to increase your chance of finding answers.
  • [00:50:56] <jkridner> 180 people vs. 24 or so.
  • [00:51:08] <jkridner> traffic is not so high in here that we can't keep them unified.
  • [00:51:17] <jkridner> if traffic gets too high, we can fork.
  • [00:51:19] <scromp> bravo i say
  • [00:51:20] <netman87> yeah. i see why u wanted it this way.
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  • [00:51:56] <netman87> just never got kicked without reason... or almost never
  • [00:52:01] <jkridner> people who try to join the others will automatically come in here, so we shouldn't lose people.
  • [00:52:32] <jkridner> yeah, sorry. wasn't personal. :)
  • [00:52:49] * jkridner is loving Fritzing w/ BeagleBone part.
  • [00:52:51] <netman87> bot/script doing invite&kick? maybe little delay to kick and topic + channel message about it
  • [00:52:55] <jkridner> thanks map ^^^^^
  • [00:52:58] <jkridner> er mdp
  • [00:53:04] <agmlego> netman87: To be fair, this was not without reason. ;-P
  • [00:53:05] <netman87> as people arent always reading notice&invite
  • [00:54:22] <netman87> agmlego: no i didnt see any message saying that i need to leave channel or join to another. also i havent done anything bad on that channel
  • [00:54:50] <agmlego> No, you were kicked to consolidate channels. Perfectly valid reason.
  • [00:55:00] <agmlego> Also, well, it is just a kick...that is what autojoin is for.
  • [00:55:29] <netman87> autojoin is not acceptable
  • [00:55:42] <netman87> common irc-rules
  • [00:56:01] <agmlego> ::shurgs::
  • [00:56:16] <agmlego> Every network I have been part of accepts is as de rigeur.
  • [00:56:53] <scromp> saying things like "de rigeur", on the other hand...
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  • [00:57:17] <agmlego> scromp: Sorry, I hang out with a lot of linguists.
  • [00:57:23] <agmlego> Cunning ones, even.
  • [00:57:24] * agmlego ducks.
  • [00:57:28] <scromp> I was going to ask that
  • [00:58:23] <netman87> so when #pandaboard and #beagle are compined to #board
  • [00:58:26] <netman87> ;D
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  • [00:58:58] <agmlego> I will autojoin #board when kicked from here, if the forwarding ban works.
  • [00:58:59] <agmlego> ;-P
  • [00:59:15] * mranostay wonders what jkridner has unleashed
  • [00:59:29] <agmlego> mranostay: netman87, apparently.
  • [00:59:37] <agmlego> :-P
  • [01:00:35] <mranostay> how is channel forwarding not acceptable?
  • [01:00:56] <agmlego> mranostay: I think the complaint was about the kick.
  • [01:01:09] <agmlego> mranostay: Apparently, there are still folk in the world not using autojoin.
  • [01:01:20] <agmlego> So the kick left them out of the loop.
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  • [01:01:39] <mranostay> bah they will get over it
  • [01:09:53] <CcSsNET> but they didnt
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  • [01:21:07] * fiola gives everyone a cookie and continues admiring the new beaglebone :P
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  • [01:22:05] * agmlego eats the cookie, and steals all the others.
  • [01:22:11] <agmlego> =^.^=
  • [01:22:15] <agmlego> Omnomnom.
  • [01:23:06] <fiola> Have another, I have lots of cookies where that one came from :-)
  • [01:23:19] <fiola> Don't tell the RIAA how it's done :P
  • [01:23:34] <agmlego> Heh.
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  • [01:27:17] * fiola looks up scooby snacks (UK here, don't think we have anything called that)
  • [01:27:41] * agmlego steals all the Scooby Snacks and eats them too.
  • [01:27:50] <agmlego> =^.^= Omnomnom.
  • [01:28:23] <fiola> agmlego sounds hungry :P
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  • [01:30:09] <fiola> Well I've got a nice earl grey tea. Sadly no physical cookies
  • [01:30:22] <mru> try some soylent green crackers
  • [01:30:32] <mru> is the earl grey hot btw?
  • [01:30:36] <agmlego> mru: I love Soylent Green!
  • [01:31:00] <fiola> Very hot. Iced earl grey tastes funny, oily
  • [01:31:17] <agmlego> fiola: Some fresh Michigan blueberries, and a splash of bailey's, would make that very attractive indeed.
  • [01:31:32] <mranostay> er what channel is this?
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  • [01:31:33] <fiola> Oooh, Baileys
  • [01:31:51] <fiola> Damn it, someone should have warned me this channel is fattening
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  • [01:32:22] * mru shifts left a few bits
  • [01:32:22] <agmlego> mranostay: Clearly, the foodies channel.
  • [01:32:27] <agmlego> As every channel is, actually.
  • [01:33:03] <fiola> Hey, you have to nibble at things while poking at beagles, or you die. That's not good for the beagle.
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  • [01:35:26] <fiola> Currently reading the ref man front to back. I'll sort out how to get the Ethernet-over-USB to work tomorrow after a good sleep
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  • [01:35:44] <mru> same as any usb ethernet
  • [01:35:55] <mru> which is pretty much the same as any ethernet
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  • [01:37:18] <fiola> I've been doing networking since the late 70's, before Ethernet was invented. But never used Ethernet-over-USB before, hehe. Kind of surprised that no interface appeared. maybe I'm missing a driver in gentoo.
  • [01:37:40] <mru> beagle xm?
  • [01:37:55] <ds2> I much rather have USB over ethernet
  • [01:37:55] <fiola> bone, my new toy. Just got it this afternoon
  • [01:38:07] <mru> that's not usb-ethernet
  • [01:38:16] <mranostay> that is ethernet-ethernet
  • [01:38:22] <fiola> Absolutely adorable board :-)
  • [01:38:37] <agmlego> fiola: Yeah, the bone has no USB Ethernet.
  • [01:38:49] <agmlego> That is just the magnetics for the onboard stack.
  • [01:39:01] <fiola> agmlego: It seems to, I see it in the message log
  • [01:39:08] <agmlego> ds2: You can have that too.
  • [01:39:15] <agmlego> fiola: Seems to what?
  • [01:39:32] <mru> CONFIG_TI_DAVINCI_EMAC is the kernel config you want
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  • [01:40:24] <fiola> agmlego: On my Gentoo host, when I plug in the beaglebone, and "eject /dev/sdd", then this appears in messages: usb 1-3.1.5.2: Product: RNDIS/Ethernet Gadget
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  • [01:41:02] <fiola> Which ties in with what the TI video suggested, Ethernet over USB
  • [01:41:11] <agmlego> fiola: Interesting.
  • [01:41:12] <raymohi> fiola: are you talking about the device that appears though the mini-usb connection?
  • [01:41:24] <fiola> raymohi: yep
  • [01:41:26] <mru> you can use gadget ethernet over musb, yes
  • [01:41:50] <mru> that's when the bone appears to a usb host as an ethernet device
  • [01:42:15] <fiola> I could just plug in the Ethernet into the RJ45 of course. But I've done that for 3 decades, whereas never done Ethernet over USB, so this is interesting :P
  • [01:42:34] <mru> I'd stick with the real one
  • [01:42:38] <fiola> Hehe
  • [01:43:02] <fiola> mru: probably right. But always intrigued by something new, it's like a bee to flowers :P
  • [01:43:18] <mru> by all means play around with it
  • [01:43:33] <mru> but if you want something reliable, go with the real deal
  • [01:43:40] * fiola nods
  • [01:44:08] <fiola> Pretty sure I'm missing a driver, which is why an interface didn't appear automatically. That's the way I would expect it to work.
  • [01:44:22] <agmlego> Could be.
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  • [01:47:02] <mru> to use the beagle in ethernet gadget mode, the host should have the cdc_ether driver
  • [01:47:29] <mru> that's CONFIG_USB_NET_CDCETHER in .config
  • [01:50:56] <fiola> mru: Aye, I figured it was missing. I've definitely not configured that in a kernel, only CDC-ACM
  • [01:51:27] <fiola> Cool, was about to update the kernel anyway. One for tomorrow
  • [01:51:47] <mru> if you have module support enabled, you can just build the module
  • [01:52:28] <fiola> It may indeed be enough, if it shares infrastructure with the CDC framework. Worth a try
  • [01:53:24] <mru> I think all you need statically is basic networking support
  • [01:54:13] <fiola> Come to think of it, my laptop is built with a "throw in the kitchen sink" config, lemme check
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  • [01:54:57] <fiola> Yay, cdc_ether.ko module on laptop :P
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  • [02:55:01] <serekson> so I ran through the kernel workflow on the angstrom homepage but when I compile and deploy my changes uImage does not seem to be updated
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  • [03:15:08] <KeatonT> custom alarm system now running 100% on the beaglebone.
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  • [03:24:41] <mranostay> hmmm Taiwan Beer isn't bad
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  • [03:33:22] <XMPPwocky> hey, what's the u-boot configure command for the bone?
  • [03:33:25] <XMPPwocky> am335x_evm?
  • [03:42:37] <alan_o> First, you need to make sure to get the TI u-boot.
  • [03:42:40] <alan_o> not the stock one
  • [03:42:47] <alan_o> at least that was the case a couple months ago
  • [03:43:02] <alan_o> once you've done that, then I'm not sure what the configure command is :)
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  • [03:43:31] <XMPPwocky> yeah, I have the one that comes with he ti sdk
  • [03:43:45] <KeatonT> my bone hangs here: Using makefile-style concurrent boot in runlevel S.
  • [03:43:51] <KeatonT> Running Debian.
  • [03:43:58] <alan_o> XMPPwocky: I bet it's probably what you said
  • [03:44:04] <KeatonT> and only when it is connected to a USB source that will not provide 2A of power.
  • [03:44:11] <alan_o> that's the name of the kernel defconfig. (I haven't built u-boot for bone :( )
  • [03:46:48] <KeatonT> any ideas?
  • [03:47:02] <XMPPwocky> really? 2A?
  • [03:47:17] <KeatonT> Seems that way
  • [03:47:19] <XMPPwocky> the bone shouldn't draw more than ~750-1000ma in my experience
  • [03:47:30] <KeatonT> Well this is what is happening.
  • [03:47:33] <XMPPwocky> weird
  • [03:47:49] <KeatonT> If I plug the bone via USB to a USB power adapter like the ones used to charge the iPhone.
  • [03:47:53] <KeatonT> It will boot.
  • [03:48:00] <KeatonT> If I plug it into my laptop it will boot
  • [03:48:17] <KeatonT> if I plug it into a USB port on a Debain box
  • [03:48:18] <KeatonT> it wont.
  • [03:48:27] <KeatonT> hangs on Using makefile-style concurrent boot in runlevel S.
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  • [03:54:40] <KeatonT> So why would it boot into single user mode for some reason...
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  • [03:55:03] <RITRedbeard> Why?
  • [03:55:23] <RITRedbeard> Nobody has a beaglebone they are all to cheap.
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  • [03:57:16] <XMPPwocky> wat
  • [03:58:54] <RITRedbeard> Did I stutter?
  • [03:58:55] <RITRedbeard> <jkridner> I'm shutting down this channel and forwarding everyone to #beagle
  • [03:59:03] <RITRedbeard> * You have been kicked from #beaglebone by jkridner (RITRedbeard)
  • [03:59:32] <jkridner> RITRedbeard: ?
  • [04:00:27] <KeatonT> fun stuff.
  • [04:00:31] <RITRedbeard> Nobody has a Beaglebone because they're all too cheap and instead they're opting for Raspberry Pi.
  • [04:00:32] <jkridner> #beagle is good for discussing beagleboard or beaglebone
  • [04:00:40] <jkridner> too cheap?
  • [04:00:51] <KeatonT> Honestly $89 for all you get is great!
  • [04:01:02] <jkridner> er, lots of people have them?
  • [04:01:15] <jkridner> a bit under 20,000.
  • [04:01:22] <KeatonT> Just an arduino with ethernet shield costs $60
  • [04:01:37] <RITRedbeard> 185/20,000 is quite small
  • [04:01:38] <KeatonT> so the bone will the shat loads more power was worth it for me.
  • [04:01:55] <RITRedbeard> I suppose I don't like being kicked randomly.
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  • [04:02:04] <RITRedbeard> How is the power consumption on the Bone?
  • [04:02:06] <jkridner> true???. seems there aren't that many people chatting.
  • [04:02:13] <jkridner> you weren't kicked randomly.
  • [04:02:24] <jkridner> I brought everyone into this room to keep critical mass...
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  • [04:03:01] <jkridner> about 2W.
  • [04:03:52] <jkridner> USB-to-JTAG and USB-to-serial debugging features are included, which can be handy.
  • [04:04:02] <jkridner> lots of low-level I/O
  • [04:04:07] <jkridner> A/Ds.
  • [04:04:08] <RITRedbeard> Yes, but real life performance? The Pi is extremely bad in this regard.
  • [04:04:27] <RITRedbeard> Linear power supplies abound.
  • [04:04:46] <jkridner> should be roughly 2X Pi for typical operations...
  • [04:04:53] <jkridner> a bit higher for vector operations...
  • [04:05:03] <jkridner> a bit lower on some float...
  • [04:05:10] <jkridner> bone doesn't have the video acceleration.
  • [04:05:11] <RITRedbeard> No, I meant power draw.
  • [04:05:28] <RITRedbeard> I know the cortex is roughly 66% clock-per-clock
  • [04:05:31] <jkridner> depends what you are doing.
  • [04:05:31] <RITRedbeard> faster
  • [04:05:31] <XMPPwocky> jkridner: you mean video decoding?
  • [04:05:39] <RITRedbeard> Peak load.
  • [04:05:47] <RITRedbeard> Say... when kernel is booting
  • [04:06:06] <XMPPwocky> http://e2e.ti.com/support/dsp/sitara_arm174_microprocessors/f/791/t/182935.aspx
  • [04:06:08] <jkridner> around 2W. you can idle much lower.
  • [04:06:16] <jkridner> XMPPwocky: yeah.
  • [04:06:40] <RITRedbeard> Only 350mA at boot/peak load?
  • [04:06:44] * RITRedbeard blinks.
  • [04:06:46] <jkridner> you can use NEON to do video decode, but it isn't as good as the accelerators on Pi, though those only do fixed codecs.
  • [04:06:50] <XMPPwocky> RITRedbeard: <3 ARM
  • [04:07:26] <RITRedbeard> The Pi is something like beyond 600mA
  • [04:07:34] <RITRedbeard> Meaning battery power is a PITA.
  • [04:07:35] <XMPPwocky> RITRedbeard: older CPU
  • [04:08:13] <XMPPwocky> the extra cost for the bone vs the pi isn't just the pi's subsidies, it's much newer hardware
  • [04:09:16] <XMPPwocky> and you can manually clock it down (I /think/ there're Linux drivers for it, not sure, but the hardware's documented)
  • [04:09:36] <jkridner> cpufreq can be used to scale the clock down.
  • [04:09:44] <XMPPwocky> ah, yep
  • [04:10:05] <RITRedbeard> Is there a LVDS or HDMI interface for the Bone yet?
  • [04:10:43] <XMPPwocky> http://www.mouser.com/beaglebonecapes/
  • [04:10:55] <XMPPwocky> http://www.mouser.com/beaglebonecapes/#tabs-2 , specifically
  • [04:11:45] <RITRedbeard> 16 bit color?
  • [04:12:07] <XMPPwocky> yep
  • [04:13:09] <RITRedbeard> $50!
  • [04:13:10] <RITRedbeard> ouch
  • [04:13:37] <XMPPwocky> RITRedbeard: what's your use-case?
  • [04:14:14] <RITRedbeard> I should have been an electrical engineer.
  • [04:14:36] <ds2> easy enough to make a LVDS/DVI interface
  • [04:14:50] <RITRedbeard> I want to resurrect a 10" Thinkpad to be a true all day thin-top.
  • [04:16:54] <RITRedbeard> Don't look at me like I'm weird...
  • [04:18:19] <XMPPwocky> hm
  • [04:18:42] <XMPPwocky> if you're lucky, you might be able to connect the LCD semi-directly to the bone
  • [04:19:45] <KeatonT> What happens if you plug both the USB cable in and 5V power from an adapter at the same time
  • [04:19:47] <KeatonT> into the bone?
  • [04:19:52] <RITRedbeard> Bone has 5V IO right?
  • [04:19:58] <KeatonT> is it smart enough to only draw power from one?
  • [04:20:49] <XMPPwocky> KeatonT: hopefully
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  • [04:20:57] <XMPPwocky> RITRedbeard: GPIO?
  • [04:20:58] <KeatonT> lol
  • [04:21:02] <RITRedbeard> yessir
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  • [04:21:52] <XMPPwocky> RITRedbeard: according to the TRM, if you connect a LCD directly you can get 8 bits per pixel (24-bit color
  • [04:22:36] <doceme> I have an A3 bone and I am seeing some weird stability issues. I just noticed that uboot as mtest command for simple memory test
  • [04:22:42] <doceme> has anyone else tried this?
  • [04:22:52] <doceme> It's detecting all kinds of errors
  • [04:22:57] <doceme> doesn't seems like it should be
  • [04:27:27] <XMPPwocky> doceme: sounds like a bad board
  • [04:28:03] <KeatonT> well it is faster on AC power
  • [04:28:51] <doceme> :( yeah, that's what it's looking like
  • [04:35:12] <doceme> anyone know when the beaglbone rev A6 boards are going to be available?
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  • [04:36:51] <KeatonT> doceme why wait?
  • [04:37:28] <doceme> i probably won't, just thought if they are almost out, I might as well wait a few weeks.
  • [04:39:21] <KeatonT> hmmm wonder if the A5 will get the new kernel
  • [04:41:21] <ds2> why wonder
  • [04:41:23] <ds2> port it yourself.
  • [04:41:27] <ds2> sources and specs are available.
  • [04:41:40] <KeatonT> lol the bone is definitely the "do it yourself" platform :P
  • [04:41:57] <ds2> it isn't the bone. all platforms are like that.
  • [04:42:25] <KeatonT> I guess I'm just now starting to understand that.
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  • [04:44:26] <ds2> having control of your fate is a good thing.
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  • [04:48:51] <emeb_mac> how many people really have control of their own fate?
  • [04:49:17] * RITRedbeard raises hand.
  • [04:50:35] <jay6981> i put my fate in the noodly appendages of the flying spaghetti monster, pasta be upon him
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  • [04:53:32] <emeb_mac> Arrr matey - ye be a pastafarian?
  • [04:54:07] <jay6981> you sound like a holy man yourself
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  • [04:59:10] <KeatonT> you know this is the reason I love IRC>
  • [04:59:12] <KeatonT> IRC*
  • [04:59:14] <KeatonT> lol :P
  • [04:59:57] <emeb_mac> just here to promote complete randomness
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  • [05:01:25] <KeatonT> Aren't we all?
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  • [06:34:36] <sneak> what is the package in angstrom that includes mkimage from u-boot so that i can "make uImage" and have it not fail?
  • [06:34:59] <XMPPwocky> i might try #angstrom
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  • [06:47:27] <fierman> fcuking hell..
  • [06:47:44] <fierman> is there any documentation somewhere that IS up to date ?
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  • [06:50:35] <ynezz> up to date docs, nice oxymoron, isn
  • [06:50:42] <ynezz> err, isn't it?
  • [06:50:50] <fierman> it is..
  • [06:50:52] <RITRedbeard> It could be worse.
  • [06:50:56] <RITRedbeard> You could have zero documentation.
  • [06:51:16] <RITRedbeard> I'll trade your board for a Raspberry Pi. :P
  • [06:51:41] <fierman> heh
  • [06:52:46] <ynezz> source code is the best documentation anyway...
  • [06:52:56] <fierman> one would say that with all the interest in the PI, and all the 'normal decent people' interested in that thing, there should be a massload of stuff written about it
  • [06:53:31] <fierman> or do all PI owners just look at it, say 'nice' and tuck it away after making a few instagram photos on it for their hipster twitter account ?
  • [06:53:49] <RITRedbeard> The latter.
  • [06:54:05] <koen> fierman: you're forgetting the "talk smack about beagle" step
  • [06:54:09] <RITRedbeard> They think it's a good platform for XMBC for whatever reason.
  • [06:54:21] <RITRedbeard> Nevermind the fact it doesn't have a SATA port.
  • [06:54:46] <fierman> koen: i would not dare to
  • [06:55:07] <ds2> what else are PI's good for besides photo subjects?
  • [06:55:17] <koen> ds2: supercomputing
  • [06:55:21] <ynezz> dust collecting
  • [06:55:23] <ds2> it is in the same category as 8088 system boards
  • [06:55:25] <koen> it's really fast you know
  • [06:55:41] <ds2> koen: I stand corrected.
  • [06:56:18] <XMPPwocky> PIs are pretty great
  • [06:56:26] <ynezz> of course
  • [06:56:27] <XMPPwocky> if you're wondering if your wife is cheating
  • [06:56:30] <XMPPwocky> :P
  • [06:56:51] <XMPPwocky> (and the RasPi is a pretty awesome board too, this generation needs a new Acorn)
  • [06:57:11] <fierman> riscOS .,. been a while
  • [06:57:45] <XMPPwocky> fierman: sure, but it's easier to sell a school district on buying a few hundred r-pis if they cost <$30
  • [06:57:53] <fierman> ;-)
  • [06:58:01] <RITRedbeard> No...
  • [06:58:07] <fierman> so you learned programming ob the bbc as well eh
  • [06:58:15] <RITRedbeard> The Raspberry Pi Foundation has no understanding of open source software.
  • [06:58:22] <fierman> turtle madness
  • [06:58:22] <XMPPwocky> fierman: nope
  • [06:58:34] <XMPPwocky> I learned to program /hilariously/
  • [06:58:49] <ynezz> to program your wife?
  • [06:59:05] <ds2> have people actually tried to run a ton of stuff on a ARM11?
  • [06:59:09] <XMPPwocky> I got an old crappy Powerbook 100 with a bunch of programs on it when I was like 7
  • [06:59:37] <XMPPwocky> one of those was White Knight, which I now realize is for connecting to BBSs
  • [07:00:03] <XMPPwocky> but I didn't have a modem... but I did have an enormous White Knight reference manual (came with the computer)
  • [07:00:22] <XMPPwocky> one day I got bored and started trying things out
  • [07:00:33] <RITRedbeard> That's an odd name for an application.
  • [07:00:40] <XMPPwocky> there was print, while, and if/then
  • [07:01:08] <ds2> try to spend some time with the N800
  • [07:01:11] <XMPPwocky> but I ended up writing a few simple (like, really simple) programs
  • [07:01:43] <fierman> i am a programming n00b still. that's what you get when you learn LOGO on BBC micros
  • [07:01:53] <fierman> :)
  • [07:01:56] <XMPPwocky> eveventually checked out a book from the library on programming, but I didn't notice it was in BASIC
  • [07:02:24] <XMPPwocky> so I convinced my parents to let me install BASIC on their PC, and it pretty much went predictably from there
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  • [07:09:28] <fierman> anyway.. I built the mainline kernel natively, on oneiric. installed the kernel using the boot update script from rcn, and now the machine hangs upon boot
  • [07:09:32] <fierman> what did I miss ?
  • [07:10:27] <fierman> it is stuck upon mounting rootfs
  • [07:10:47] <fierman> freezes, no panic or any other verbosity
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  • [07:18:26] <fierman> (used the mainline kernel from koen's tree)
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  • [07:58:39] <fierman> anyway.. direct question: what do I need to do to install a kernel on beagleboard_xm ?
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  • [08:37:34] <aholler_> fierman: paste output at dpaste.com or similiar
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  • [08:41:46] <fierman> aholler: output of dmesg ?
  • [08:42:28] <aholler> you have dmes? I though it will hang at boot
  • [08:43:17] <fierman> sorry for not being too descriptive. kernel loads, but hangs halway. somewhere upon trying to mount rootfs
  • [08:43:42] <aholler> therfor paste output
  • [08:43:49] <aholler> easier than to descrobe
  • [08:43:59] <fierman> yes. i will do that.
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  • [09:06:59] <Guest99245> Hi all..after getting u-boot prompt on board, i raloadb 0x82000000 115200, and i have configured the kermit on my pc for 115200 and all other parameters and trying to send a file..but sending is failing after few retries..do i need to do anything else to send and receive uImage file?
  • [09:07:14] <Guest99245> *ran loadb
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  • [09:14:17] <_av500_> stop minicom, then use kermit
  • [09:14:53] <_av500_> btw, did you forget your nick password?
  • [09:16:18] <fierman> (also make sure there are no other instances of minicom running atm.)
  • [09:17:28] <Guest99245> _av500_, yes i forgot, need to reset, i will do that
  • [09:17:55] <Guest99245> i need to run loadb command on minicom and close minicom?
  • [09:18:47] <_av500_> minicom and kermit both use the serial port
  • [09:18:52] <_av500_> but not at the same time
  • [09:19:09] <_av500_> if you read minicom docs you can even invoke kermit from inside minicom
  • [09:19:28] <_av500_> but I wont read them to you
  • [09:19:42] <Guest99245> i will read
  • [09:21:55] <Guest99245> is it like i need to run loadb on minicom, close minicom, and then configure kermit and send uImage, in this order?
  • [09:22:15] <fierman> there is a kermit function in minicom
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  • [09:22:49] <_av500_> you can invoke external handlers
  • [09:22:54] <_av500_> CTRL-A S or so
  • [09:23:38] <_av500_> that and 1mbit/s makes for fast turnaround when doing e.g. bootloader development
  • [09:25:29] <Guest99245> ok..i followed the steps i wrote before, sending is happening..so now does uImage get run automatically like u-boot ran?
  • [09:26:08] <_av500_> loadb does not sound like "run" to me
  • [09:26:33] <Guest99245> yes loadb as i understood is sending a ready for sending file
  • [09:27:20] <_av500_> so now its sent
  • [09:27:43] <Guest99245> yes it's sent..sending is over..i will open minicom now
  • [09:29:03] <Guest99245> bootm 0x82000000 or boot are not getting the kernel image..
  • [09:32:19] <fierman> aholler: http://dpaste.com/749267/
  • [09:32:34] <fierman> brief description of state of bb in ;ast lines
  • [09:33:49] <fierman> what would be interesting for me is a step-by-step on the preferred method of installing a custom kernel.
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  • [09:36:49] <aholler> you have rootwait, so it will wait forever for a rootfs with /sbin/init at /dev/mmcblk0p5
  • [09:37:01] <aholler> try rootdelay=20 or such, tosee an error
  • [09:38:06] <fierman> aholler: ok. trying
  • [09:38:17] <aholler> the heartbeat led will first start to blink, when the module gets loaded, so you might prefer to link it into the kernel
  • [09:38:27] <fierman> aholler: no change. same behaviour
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  • [09:40:01] <aholler> maybe your kernel is broken, why are you using 3.2.0-rc1? there is a 3.2.17 out
  • [09:40:08] <fierman> aholler: what do you mean by link module to kernel ?
  • [09:40:32] <aholler> heartbeat not as module but statically linked into the kernel
  • [09:40:43] <aholler> [*]
  • [09:41:24] <aholler> and you have replaced rootwait with rootdelay?
  • [09:41:27] <fierman> ok.. in fact, I did not configure the kernel, and I did not build 3.2.0-rc1 either. uImage is 3.2.16 mainline
  • [09:41:40] <fierman> yes, i replaced rootwait with rootdelay
  • [09:41:48] <aholler> your output says 3.2.0-rc1
  • [09:42:21] <aholler> and it loads zIamge and initrd which looks like ubuntu
  • [09:42:27] <fierman> i see .. i don;t quite uinderstand that. kernel which was on the system before installing new kernel was a 3.2.16 too
  • [09:42:42] <fierman> i did install zImage and uImage
  • [09:43:51] <fierman> o..
  • [09:44:11] <fierman> actually. uImage _is_ a 3.2.0 kernel...
  • [09:44:19] <fierman> and I _did_ get it from koen's tree
  • [09:44:22] <aholler> not configuring the kernel isn't a good idea. the default is rather unusable as much stuff is missing
  • [09:45:21] <fierman> ok.. since documentation told me configuring would not be necessary, and since i understood koen;s tree was sort of patched and ready
  • [09:45:40] <aholler> ok, maybe koens tree just misses the tags but has applied the patches
  • [09:45:55] <fierman> i really do not understand why github gives me a 3.2.0 one from the 3.2.16 mainline branch
  • [09:45:58] <fierman> that's odd
  • [09:46:11] <aholler> mainline is at git.kernel.org
  • [09:46:14] <fierman> yes
  • [09:46:47] <fierman> o,...
  • [09:46:52] <fierman> not at : https://github.com/koenkooi/linux/tree/linux-mainline-3.2.16-r120d ?
  • [09:46:53] <aholler> git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git
  • [09:47:12] <aholler> thats mainline, koen hosts patches
  • [09:47:23] <aholler> s/patches/patched kernels/
  • [09:47:40] <fierman> i built the kernel from the link i just pasted
  • [09:47:48] <fierman> native btw.
  • [09:47:55] <fierman> and that went without errors
  • [09:48:19] <fierman> i am sort of at loss now to be honest
  • [09:48:24] <aholler> as said, if koens repo doesn't contain the tags, you will see wrong versions
  • [09:48:52] <aholler> try "git describe"
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  • [09:50:34] <fierman> actually, i did not a checkout, but grabbed the tarball from that page
  • [09:50:56] <fierman> i understand now i think
  • [09:51:06] <prohitkpr> I am trying to insert cmemk.ko module. when I use insmod cmemk.ko it is getting loaded. But I am unable to set the memory address
  • [09:51:57] <fierman> aholler: on a keynote, what would be the best option now to build 3.2.16 or 3.2.17 ?
  • [09:52:07] <fierman> including koens patches ?
  • [09:52:29] <aholler> 3.2.17 mainline with koens patches boots here
  • [09:53:25] <aholler> http://ahsoftware.de/config-3.2.16.beagleboard is the config I use, it might miss the network-driver for the xm as I have a c4
  • [09:53:27] <fierman> how would i build it? checkout kernel.org , or checkout koens repo and choose correct branch ?
  • [09:54:34] <aholler> if you have cloned koens repo, you just can add the stable tree: git remote add stable git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git; get remote update
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  • [09:56:23] <aholler> afterwards just do e.g. "git co -b linux-3.2.y remotes/stable/linux-3.2.y"
  • [09:56:43] <aholler> s/co/checkout/, i have an alias co for checkout
  • [09:57:01] <aholler> that would checkout the latest stable
  • [09:57:06] <fierman> thank you ;-)
  • [09:58:03] <fierman> that's a great help. will start now. ;-)
  • [09:58:52] <koen> fierman: maybe https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/beagleboard-3.2/ is less confusing for you
  • [09:59:29] <aholler> oh, hmm, an error above, i meant 3.2.17 without koens patches boots here ;)
  • [09:59:41] <fierman> :)
  • [10:00:17] <fierman> koen: so instead of using your patches, use roberts over kernel mainline ?
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  • [10:01:45] <aholler> do the netherlands plenk by default as the french too?
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  • [10:03:03] <fierman> aholler: journalism background here. common courtesy towards the reader
  • [10:03:20] <koen> fierman: robert and I both use https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/beagleboard-3.2/
  • [10:03:31] <Guest99245> i got the script to do all kermit settings do a loadb at the address and then do bootm..i tried to send this file..but sending is failing..can that be because of mismatch of kermit settings or what else could be reasons?
  • [10:03:39] <aholler> fierman: ? journalist do plenk by default?
  • [10:03:45] <koen> (as you can see from the top commit: 'RobertCNelson authored 3 days ago')
  • [10:05:26] <fierman> koen: ok. thanks :)
  • [10:06:01] <fierman> aholler: i did over the last 15 years. no complaints. never thought about it actually. will try to notice from now on :)
  • [10:06:52] <fierman> also , I am not a _real_ journalist. running small autonomous/political media
  • [10:07:11] <fierman> which is by definition biased and most important unpaid
  • [10:11:00] * koen only plenks when using URLs
  • [10:11:36] <Guest99245> please see if you find any mistakes in the below kermit script http://dpaste.com/749278/
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  • [10:32:46] <Guest99245> _av500_, do you have suggestions for me about what to read, in order to know when to send the script exactly? script looks really perfect in the sense it's doing all, kermit settings, loadb and then bootm..but sending this file, i am not getting why it's failing, when it was able to send uImage alone
  • [10:35:47] <aholler> maybe you should read the script and compare it with the output of your u-boot at start-up
  • [10:36:13] <aholler> and guess what input does
  • [10:37:31] <Guest99245> output of your u-boot at start-up, meaning printenv output?
  • [10:39:05] <Guest99245> i understood what the script is doing..input is what comes from script itself right? configuring kermit commands in the script are done in my pc, then loadb and bootm are sent out..
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  • [10:42:36] <Dingo_aus1> Does anyone have any tips on booting the std Ubuntu ARM 12.04 armhf image on a BB C3 - I am getting stuck at the end of uBoot. It just pauses on "Booting the kernel."
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  • [10:50:33] <dm8tbr> Dingo_aus1: BB not BBxm? and armHF? just DON'T!
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  • [10:51:25] <aholler> my c4 boots runs fine with armhf
  • [10:51:41] <Dingo_aus1> ok, I'll take your advice, I have a Panda to play with as well so I'll try armhf on it, is there a website that can tell my why BB C3 with armhf is a bad idea?
  • [10:51:45] <aholler> dm8tbr: what should be the problem?
  • [10:53:48] <dm8tbr> aholler: IIRC armhf by default also uses thumb2 and the silicon on BB has broken thumbs
  • [10:54:43] <fierman> armhf isn;t even recommended for xm, right ?
  • [10:54:54] <dm8tbr> XM should be fine
  • [10:54:58] <aholler> ah, thats why I had only bad experiences when trying to use thumb. good that I don't compile using thumb(2).
  • [10:55:12] <koen> thumb is a pain
  • [10:55:16] <koen> thumb2 is a lot better
  • [10:55:29] <koen> but as dm8tbr, early omap3 silicon had bugs when using thumb2
  • [10:55:35] <aholler> (spl)u-boot with thumb2 boots just fine
  • [10:55:42] <dm8tbr> aholler: which by experience will run fine for long periods of time and then suddenly _everything_ explodes spectacularly. everything segfaults etc
  • [10:56:23] <aholler> but trying to use thumb(2) in userspace I always had such experience as you are desribing
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  • [10:56:28] <mru> beagle-xm runs thumb2 fine
  • [10:57:17] <dm8tbr> much revised ARM IP core IIRC
  • [10:57:26] <mru> r3p2 instead of r1p3
  • [10:58:23] <mru> but there's rarely any reason to use thumb2 over arm
  • [10:58:31] <mru> unless you're _really_ tight on space
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  • [11:07:49] <Guest99245> i got the uImage running
  • [11:08:05] <Guest99245> now to fight with file system..
  • [11:10:47] <afenkart> on beaglebon u-boot sends no bootp packages
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  • [11:13:35] <dm8tbr> afenkart: did someone suddenly add usb and ethernet support to the bone uboot?
  • [11:17:48] <fierman> koen: the patch.sh script in https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/beaglebone-3.2 is supposed to pull the stable kernel tree from kernel.org , right? as in. the script does already everything for me: clone and patch.
  • [11:19:31] <afenkart> grml, what about latest version of u-boot, contains lots of commits with am335x and etherent. anybody tried?
  • [11:21:34] <fierman> https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel i meant
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  • [11:37:23] <fierman> anyway. output of the script: http://dpad.com/hold/749293
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  • [11:39:55] <fierman> i suppose i need to grab the patches from somewhere else
  • [11:40:39] <aholler> you don't need patches
  • [11:41:33] <Guest99245> i got uImage and file system to nand following this link https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/beagleboard/NvCHdKwZP6A, what will be the boot command to boot after this?
  • [11:42:01] <aholler> fierman: if you'll need them you will notice it
  • [11:42:11] <fierman> aholler: the script expects a patches directory apparently in the same directory as from where i started the script
  • [11:43:35] <fierman> i feel dumbed out now actually
  • [11:44:41] <fierman> day 5 of getting a recent patched kernel running on a recent debian based os
  • [11:45:27] <fierman> if someone could poitn me towards a step-by-step documentation which goes through the process, it would be most welcome
  • [11:45:55] <aholler> as said, a kernel without patches runs here just fine
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  • [11:46:31] <fierman> ok :)
  • [11:46:58] <fierman> but patches also address specific bb_xm hardware, or ?
  • [11:47:13] <aholler> use 3.2.17 and start patching when you notice problems
  • [11:47:41] <exosyst> I'm having issues with getting my uboot parameters to remain persistent. I can't save to nand using saveenv - fair enough due to the device layout, but I can't get it to acknowledge my uEnv.txt file. Should it be straightforward or am I missing something?
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  • [11:48:31] <fierman> exosyst: set your device in uEnv on rw , instead of ro
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  • [11:48:43] <fierman> aholler: ok...
  • [11:48:57] <fierman> aholler: and where to get the patches from ? :)
  • [11:49:21] <exosyst> fierman, How do you mean?
  • [11:49:28] <fierman> nevermind, i need a walk
  • [11:49:36] <fierman> completely confused now
  • [11:50:00] <mdp> aholler, is -p1 preferred?
  • [11:50:27] <exosyst> fierman, Is is read/write when mounted on my machine (Fedora Linux)
  • [11:50:31] <exosyst> It*
  • [11:50:42] <aholler> mdp: no, git am
  • [11:50:49] <fierman> exosyst: check uEnv.txt
  • [11:51:06] <mdp> aholler, ;)
  • [11:52:37] <exosyst> How odd, why would it be mounting as read-only?
  • [11:56:28] <fierman> probably an idiot test
  • [11:56:36] <fierman> no idea actually
  • [11:57:40] <exosyst> fierman, I remounted as read/write and set the following as my uEnv.txt http://pastebin.com/aPJpnt9t - it still doesn't work as expected. Am I missing something, should I be overwriting bootcmd as well?
  • [11:59:50] <fierman> exosyst: ah. you are booting over nfs. no idea, sorry
  • [12:00:11] <fierman> maybe its not a bb problem then, but a portmap thing
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  • [12:00:16] <fierman> check exports
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  • [12:01:30] <exosyst> If I boot and halt at uboot, I can enter it all just fine. It doesn't even *try* to do any of the stuff specified when set in uEnv.txt
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  • [12:02:31] <Guest99245> are s-load.bin and u-boot supposed get to default ones in nand if i donand erase 0 80000?
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  • [12:09:40] <fierman> exosyst: i really have no idea. i noticed that some documentation still refers to an older methodm, where uEnv.txt is called differently. And I could not find definite documentation on uEnv.txt so far
  • [12:09:46] <fierman> if you can find it, much obliged
  • [12:10:45] <RITRedbeard> Man, the Raspberry Pi kids are zealots.
  • [12:12:10] <Crofton|work> what now?
  • [12:12:13] <mianos> is robert nelson on here too?
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  • [12:16:58] <exosyst> fierman, Boom got it. So, pulling apart the hardcoded bootcmd string from uboot it turns into nested if statements. You can see something called uenvcmd is checked. You can override *that* to make it do what you want. Bootcmd can't be overwritten
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  • [12:18:09] <stuk_gen> isn't normal with kernel 3.2.16 on beagleboard xM the usb don't work?
  • [12:18:20] <koen> fierman: uEnv.txt was always called uEnv.txt
  • [12:18:42] <koen> fierman: boot.scr is completely different: it's command based and needs a special uboot header
  • [12:19:22] <fierman> koen: boot.scr is deprecated now, right ?
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  • [12:21:29] <koen> fierman: it serves a different purpose
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  • [12:22:17] <fierman> what purpose?
  • [12:23:00] <koen> pass in commands
  • [12:23:09] <koen> load at a specific address
  • [12:23:10] <koen> etc
  • [12:26:10] <fierman> koen:
  • [12:26:21] <fierman> then the documentation on elinux is incorrect
  • [12:26:46] <fierman> where it states that newer versions of u-boot look for uEnv.txt instead of boot.scr
  • [12:26:52] <fierman> so, that should be updated?
  • [12:26:52] <Guest99245> is nand recovered to factory state mean, nand is supposed to have default u-boot and previous stages of boot loading files?
  • [12:27:15] <koen> fierman: uboot looks for a bunch of files :)
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  • [12:27:58] <fierman> koen: actually, documentation saysit is necessary to 'convert' boot.scr into uEnv.txt
  • [12:28:20] * koen doesn't read wikis
  • [12:28:27] <koen> there are wrong by definition
  • [12:28:33] <Guest99245> i remember it is other way around
  • [12:28:42] <koen> I try to keep the SRM up to date, that's it
  • [12:28:50] <fierman> well, I am sort of dependent on documentation to get work done. Also I was taught to read the fine manual always
  • [12:28:59] <fierman> koen: i understand that
  • [12:29:27] <koen> fierman: you're new here, so you probably don't know about my extreme hatred for wikis :)
  • [12:29:29] <mdp> koen, that's sometimes a fatal flaw of the processors wiki
  • [12:30:05] <mdp> koen, it regurgitates the TRM in many pages???then falls out of date as the TRM is updated
  • [12:30:27] <fierman> koen: i share the hatred actually. don;t get me wrong ;-) (maybe new here, but not new in general)
  • [12:30:48] <koen> fierman: but as far as wikis go, elinux tends to be the most correct for (embedded) linux stuff
  • [12:30:58] <fierman> the sort of problem tehse days is that documentatioon is spreadover crapbuntu forums, vanity blogs and wikis
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  • [12:30:59] <Guest99245> is nand erase 0 80000,supposed to get default uboot or i need to write to nand?
  • [12:31:16] <koen> and I'm not saying that because wmat gives me candy at conferences for every elinux wiki edit :)
  • [12:31:53] <mdp> koen, bought and paid for
  • [12:32:11] <fierman> what i am sort of missing here is a 200 page manual, like i got with a neat fpga project i acquired last month
  • [12:32:29] <mdp> koen, same way I got tricked into flyswatter2 support :)
  • [12:33:02] <serekson> I am using the kernel workflow on the angstrom homepage to modify boards-omap3beagle.c and enable SPI. However when I compile and deploy the changes are not getting incorporated
  • [12:33:33] <serekson> the uImage file I previously made is the same, I checked it with diff
  • [12:33:36] <exosyst> Yup that works for the beaglebone. I posted a gist on how to do it if anyone's interested https://gist.github.com/2718613
  • [12:33:47] <mdp> fierman, clearly writing documentation is not as exciting as making something work..I know how I prefer to spend my spare time
  • [12:34:51] <aholler> fierman: here is the original documenation: http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2011-March/088118.html support for boot.scr vanished
  • [12:34:56] <exosyst> If i've messed anything up or there's a better way I'd love to hear it. This should be wiki'd as well :)
  • [12:35:40] <fierman> aholler: ok :) i get what you mean
  • [12:36:00] <fierman> mdp: was not meant as an approach or whatever
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  • [12:36:37] <koen> serekson: you do know spidev2.0 is enabled by default, right?
  • [12:36:44] <mdp> fierman, I was just justifying why the situation exists
  • [12:37:27] <koen> and the beaglebone uboot env was done by our favourite TI software team
  • [12:37:37] <koen> jkridner and I haven't cleaned it up yet
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  • [12:39:44] <serekson> koen: I did not, but I am more concerned about not being able to modify the kernel
  • [12:40:25] <mdp> koen, seems like Tartarus would be interested in that though
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  • [12:42:04] <koen> serekson: if you follow the workflow it works
  • [12:44:38] <serekson> koen: I followed it exactly but my output is no different. after I deploy I can go back and the board-omap3beagle.c files is still different but the uImage it creates still has the timestamp from yesterday when I made the default one
  • [12:44:56] <serekson> koen: I deleted the file, so it is recreating it
  • [12:45:06] <serekson> just with old data
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  • [12:47:03] <Guest99245> does anyone here have any idea about kermit? how can i write mlo and u-boot that are on RAM to nand? i do not know the addresses of those files in RAM
  • [12:47:12] <koen> and you add the patches to SRC_URI and bump PR?
  • [12:49:17] <Guest99245> koen, is that question for me?
  • [12:50:13] <koen> no
  • [12:50:38] <serekson> koen: I don't get that far in the process, I thought that after the deploy I should have a new uImage I can test with
  • [12:51:03] <koen> yes
  • [12:51:57] <serekson> but the deploy just gernerates the same uImage I made before I modified anything
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  • [12:52:08] <serekson> same timestamp and everything, I am not sure where it is getting it from
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  • [12:55:31] <aholler> mdp: justifying the situation with leaving out the seller is a bit one-sided ;)
  • [12:57:04] <exosyst> What's the preferred distro for the beaglebone? Yocto or Angstrom or other?
  • [12:57:18] <Mojito> Arch works nice too
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  • [12:59:46] <mdp> aholler, it's too early for me to follow that ;)
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  • [13:00:28] <aholler> fierman: btw. what fpga-project is that which has such a nice documentation?
  • [13:01:28] <fierman> aholler: the chameleon 64
  • [13:02:39] <fierman> a small project, done by a small team
  • [13:03:25] <fierman> basically a user-ready board with physical i/o designed for running cores of 1980s 8 and 16 bits home computers
  • [13:03:51] <fierman> c64, amiga and zx spectrum cores useable now.
  • [13:04:59] <serekson> I don't understand how if I modified a .c file in the work directory it is not using it when it compiles. I have done bitbake clean and compile -f so I think it shold have cleaned up all the old stuff
  • [13:05:19] <fierman> then again, much simpler in its purpose and goal than a complex developer board like bb of course
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  • [13:09:52] <arcanescu> how can you change boot args once the kernel has loaded.... for example the capture buffer sizes or the display mode?
  • [13:13:15] <aholler> you can't, boot args are _boot_ args. so you have to search for other methods, e.g. module options, /proc, /sys, or sysctl
  • [13:14:09] <arcanescu> aholler: yes i see the attributes in /sys
  • [13:14:21] <arcanescu> i just did a ls /sys/class
  • [13:14:35] <arcanescu> how do you modify the attributes
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  • [13:15:25] <fierman> sysctl
  • [13:15:35] <aholler> by reading the module documentation (linux/Documentation) or it's source. if it is possible, it's usually documented
  • [13:15:56] <arcanescu> got it
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  • [13:39:01] <lpi> hi all, anyone know how to unload g_mass_storage when the beaglebone start?
  • [13:39:21] <lpi> I tried to modify modules file in /etc/ but it doesn't appear
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  • [13:45:05] <lpi> noone?
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  • [13:45:22] <Cuongle> Hello everyone, I got a problem when run an Application made by Qt Creator 4.8 for my BB-xM board. when I run it, the desktop shows 2 cursor,: 1 black and 1 white, so, I cannot control wel
  • [13:46:15] <Cuongle> This is the picture shows the error: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37016703@N05/7215407846/
  • [13:47:39] <fierman> i see a spelling error
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  • [13:48:42] <Cuongle> Spelling error ? Could you help me.
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  • [13:49:07] <b7500af1> I see four cursors.
  • [13:49:14] <fierman> it's 'receive' instead of 'recieve'
  • [13:49:28] <fierman> other than that, i would not know how to help you, sorry
  • [13:49:56] <Cuongle> :D thanks you much, buddy.
  • [13:50:04] <fierman> most welcome :)
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  • [13:51:20] <fierman> but besides that, could be either a wrong use of display libraries, or a coding error, or anything else. maybe it would be an idea to ask this in a channel dedicated to qt devvers
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  • [13:52:56] <Cuongle> fierman: thank for your suggests. I'll try it
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  • [13:53:57] <Xlan> Hmm Yea
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  • [13:57:33] <Guest99245> av500,i transferred the uImage and got kernel running but could not figure out loading rootfs and reaching the prompt..https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/beagleboard/NvCHdKwZP6A this link discusses exactly that, tried but not booting up kernel also if both are copied..any suggestions for me?
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  • [14:13:13] <lpi> does anyone know why x-load package can't be included on my narcissus image for beaglebone?? I have a red s=cross indicating that the xload package hasn't be included... http://narcissus.angstrom-distribution.org/
  • [14:13:32] <Crofton|work> anyone know why it sems like ioremap of some gpmc memory seems to not work anymore (3.4-rc..)
  • [14:13:36] <koen> because x-load is deprecated?
  • [14:13:51] <koen> Crofton|work: isn't gpmc being rewritten again?
  • [14:14:04] <fierman> narcissus provides with an old xload actually.
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  • [14:15:03] <lpi> fierman: so I have to compile uboot myself to get MLO?
  • [14:15:57] <fierman> lpi: no, a new MLO is available at http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
  • [14:16:33] <fierman> the one there should work with narcissus builds (but i noticed myself not all narcissus builds work here)
  • [14:16:39] <Crofton|work> that also
  • [14:17:01] <Crofton|work> I'm hoping the old stuff is left alone, at least until I get things working again
  • [14:17:21] <Crofton|work> right now, I am just testing, to find things like this I need to be aware of
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  • [14:21:27] <lpi> fierman: doesn't work... Beagle isn't booting
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  • [14:25:27] <fierman> lpi: did you use the u-boot.img from that page as well ?
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  • [14:28:06] <lpi> fierman: will try with
  • [14:28:10] <lpi> it
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  • [14:32:22] <lpi> fierman: do you know which ttyUSB I should use to see console output of the Beaglebone? I have ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1. What is the difference between them?
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  • [14:33:08] <mru> one is the jtag
  • [14:33:14] <paddu> ks
  • [14:33:20] <fierman> lpi: ttyUSB on client or server ?
  • [14:33:21] <paddu> hi
  • [14:33:57] <lpi> fierman: client if the client is the beagle, and server is host, then on the host
  • [14:34:19] <paddu> is there any chat place for beaglebone?
  • [14:34:33] * lpi scratching his head
  • [14:34:38] <koen> paddu: you're already here
  • [14:34:51] <paddu> thank you
  • [14:36:44] <fierman> lpi: if you are using a terminalclient (your pc) to log into the terminalserver (beagle), and you are wondering which ttyUSB on your pc you have to use, then the answer is: does not matter. as long as you configure your client to use the correct tty
  • [14:37:28] <mru> lpi: are you using a bone?
  • [14:38:24] <lpi> mru: yes
  • [14:38:40] <mru> open both ttys and see which one has output on it
  • [14:38:41] <lpi> I think when I'm opening ttyUSB0, the beaglebone seems to reboot :s
  • [14:38:52] <mru> so try the other one
  • [14:38:57] <lpi> is it normal?
  • [14:39:03] <mru> yes
  • [14:39:14] <mru> your pc kernel is probably slightly old
  • [14:39:43] <mru> 3.2 and later create only one tty with the bone
  • [14:40:27] <koen> 0 would map to jtag
  • [14:40:35] <koen> and cts to reset iirc
  • [14:40:46] <lpi> thanks
  • [14:41:03] <lpi> so if I use narcissus to build image
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  • [14:41:22] <lpi> I need to replace MLO, uboot and uImage by those on http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/?
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  • [14:43:13] <fierman> (you use the uImage provided by narcissus)
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  • [14:46:06] <koen> lpi: if you use the 'sd card image', maybe
  • [14:46:13] <koen> lpi: for all other image types, no
  • [14:46:41] * mru uses a jpeg image
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  • [14:47:17] <lpi> koen: yes but fierman said that MLO is outdated on narcissus, so he advised me to use the one on angstrom-distrib website
  • [14:48:15] <fierman> well, narcissus is not mine, but since I was struggling with exactly the same question yesterday, i found out by trial and error that the MLO from narcissus was old
  • [14:48:35] <fierman> so i am _not_ an authority on this subject :)
  • [14:49:25] <lpi> :D
  • [14:50:09] <fierman> but/ i only tried the sd images. and i am quite certain the MLO provided with any kind of build on thos is outdated
  • [14:50:15] <fierman> 100% actually :)
  • [14:51:44] <fierman> ans since uImage is the kernel, it depends on whether you want to replace it with the newer one on the angstrom website
  • [14:53:34] <koen> there are multiple versions of MLO on narcissus
  • [14:53:45] <lpi> lol ok it's booting
  • [14:53:55] <lpi> with all files from angstrom website
  • [14:54:01] <lpi> even the kernel
  • [14:54:28] <lpi> but my FS partition was in ext4 format, so it can't boot up. Just fixed by formatting the partition
  • [14:54:49] <lpi> ubuntu and its ext4 partition -_-"
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  • [14:59:07] * koen checks his beagle xm and beaglebone
  • [14:59:12] <koen> ext4 partitions
  • [14:59:27] <koen> which needs a patched uboot of course, like the recent angstrom ones
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  • [15:00:38] <lpi> koen: ok so if I format the SD with ext3, it will works, no?
  • [15:01:22] <koen> depends on the uboot version and env
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  • [15:10:26] <lpi> koen: so what do you advise?
  • [15:10:58] <_av500_> aholler: space before ! and ? is the norm in france, I tried to reeducate my coworkers and gave up
  • [15:11:04] <koen> lpi: do what you want, but make sure the uboot env matches your setup
  • [15:11:09] <_av500_> now I use it to detect french people on irc
  • [15:11:15] <koen> _av500_: but only a half space, no?
  • [15:11:19] <_av500_> yes
  • [15:11:27] <_av500_> hard to do on a typewriter
  • [15:11:47] <bradfa> what's ascii symbol for half a space? /me is not French
  • [15:11:59] <_av500_> bradfa: not ascii
  • [15:12:05] <_av500_> unicode yes
  • [15:12:11] <bradfa> ok, what's unicode symbol?
  • [15:12:19] <_av500_> not symbol, glyph
  • [15:12:24] <_av500_> google it :)
  • [15:12:40] <_av500_> er, codepoint
  • [15:12:47] <_av500_> its also non-breaking
  • [15:12:54] <bradfa> _av500_, too many different words that all mean not quite the same thing with silly unicode
  • [15:13:00] <_av500_> :)
  • [15:13:02] <lpi> koen: want to use narcissus builder to make my fs, I don't bother if I need to use ext3 or ext4 SDcard partition
  • [15:13:15] <koen> lpi: so have it generate a tarball
  • [15:13:24] <lpi> done
  • [15:13:35] <lpi> but error when including xload, as said before
  • [15:13:45] <lpi> so need to get it from an other location
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  • [15:15:40] <aholler> _av500_: but he is a tulip grower ;)
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  • [15:18:01] <_av500_> ic
  • [15:18:16] <lpi> koen: any idea? Maybe I need to compile uboot myself?
  • [15:18:23] <lpi> to get MLO and uboot?
  • [15:18:58] <aholler> I've already learned that the french are plenking with a reason ;)
  • [15:19:00] <koen> lpi: as multiple people have said already: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
  • [15:19:15] <lpi> its beagleboard one
  • [15:19:18] <lpi> ^^
  • [15:19:27] <aholler> still not too old to learn ;)
  • [15:19:52] <_av500_> with a "thin space" U+2009
  • [15:21:06] <koen> lpi: you are using beagleboard, not beaglebone, right?
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  • [15:21:20] <koen> since you keep saying 'x-load'
  • [15:21:27] <lpi> beaglebone :)
  • [15:21:35] <lpi> xload isnot for bone?
  • [15:21:40] <koen> x-load never existed for bone
  • [15:21:43] <lpi> oO
  • [15:21:45] <koen> lpi: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
  • [15:22:02] <lpi> MLO is in xload, isn't it?
  • [15:22:09] <lpi> sorry
  • [15:22:09] <koen> no
  • [15:22:13] <lpi> xload is in MLO, isn't it?
  • [15:22:21] <koen> u-boot builds MLO and u-boot.img
  • [15:22:36] <lpi> ok
  • [15:22:53] <lpi> anyway, the kernel boots properly, but can't mount the fs
  • [15:22:54] <lpi> http://pastebin.com/U3HrQuMZ
  • [15:23:19] <lpi> the fs partition is in ext3 format, do I need to format it into ext4?
  • [15:23:43] <bradfa> koen, what's the best way to track your github repo? you seem to like making new branches
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  • [15:24:58] <koen> bradfa: the patches are getting rebased, so branches are the only way
  • [15:25:17] <koen> bradfa: I'd recommend to track https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel
  • [15:25:31] <koen> that's the source for what rcn-ee and I are doing
  • [15:26:00] <bradfa> as its easier to ask than read, why all the rebasing?
  • [15:26:34] <koen> because we need to insert things in the right place
  • [15:26:40] <koen> e.g. 3.2.x outdates
  • [15:26:51] <koen> or replace patches with better ones, like the irq patches
  • [15:27:05] <koen> and if PSP finally updates their public repo -> rebase
  • [15:27:19] <bradfa> ah, ok
  • [15:27:30] <bradfa> the PSP part was what I was missing in my thought train
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  • [15:27:56] <bradfa> so when PSP updates, and does things correctly, you use their changes instead of anything you had that did similar?
  • [15:28:06] <koen> yes
  • [15:28:10] <bradfa> got it
  • [15:28:19] <koen> if only to make fun of them when it doesn't work
  • [15:28:45] <koen> which happens so often it's not actually funny anymore
  • [15:28:58] <bradfa> yes, I don't laugh much
  • [15:29:14] <koen> that psp tree is full of
  • [15:29:16] <koen> "fix foo"
  • [15:29:18] <stuk_gen> how can i build a 3.2.16 kernel? i have run bitbbake update and i've seen that download some file but when i run bitbake virtual/kernel is compile 3.0.x
  • [15:29:19] <koen> "really fix foo"
  • [15:29:25] <koen> "fixing foo broke bar, fix it"
  • [15:29:29] <koen> "really fix bar"
  • [15:29:47] <bradfa> the things I've seen going towards linux-omap seem to be doing things the right ways, but that's slow going
  • [15:29:53] <koen> yes
  • [15:29:53] <bradfa> and they missed 3.5
  • [15:30:00] <koen> vaibhav and afzal are awesome
  • [15:30:05] <_av500_> bradfa: is that you with that blog?
  • [15:30:11] <bradfa> _av500_, which blog?
  • [15:30:18] <koen> but like I said in my comment to av500's post, they ignored mainline for 2 years
  • [15:30:24] <bradfa> yeah, I noticed
  • [15:30:26] <fierman> (btw. the script in https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel fails here: http://dpaste.com/749293 )
  • [15:30:50] <bradfa> _av500_, the one being critical of TI? That one? :) yes, that's probably me
  • [15:31:07] <bradfa> but I'm back on the TI train now
  • [15:31:18] <bradfa> went on dates this past week with Atmel and Freescale
  • [15:31:32] <bradfa> Beagle still my fav
  • [15:31:35] <_av500_> bradfa: you on g+?
  • [15:31:52] <bradfa> _av500_, yes, but not used very often
  • [15:32:00] <bradfa> _av500_, should I be checking it more often?
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  • [15:32:47] <_av500_> bradfa: brad who?
  • [15:32:59] <bradfa> I'm "bradfa" on g+, "Andrew Bradford"
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  • [15:33:01] <lpi> Is anyone know how to avoid loading of g_mass_storage at beaglebone startup? Nothing in /etc/modules and /etc/modules.conf
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  • [15:38:09] <_av500_> bradfa: which of the many?
  • [15:38:24] <arcanescu> I managed to find much about changing modes but there seems to be no sysfs for omapfb say if i want to change the res /framebuffer : vid0=OFF:vid1=OFF:osd0=720x576x16,2500K to somethign else
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  • [15:40:38] <bradfa> _av500_, https://plus.google.com/108506657199236487651 <- does that help?
  • [15:40:59] <bradfa> love that URL!
  • [15:41:43] <bradfa> on Facebook, I'm simply "/bradfa" but on g+ I'm "/108506657199236487651". Now why is google losing social again? /sarcasm
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  • [15:44:09] <arcanescu> 01203010310010 is awsome
  • [15:44:12] <arcanescu> geeeky
  • [15:44:25] <arcanescu> and tbh it suits you just fine
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  • [15:46:08] <stuk_gen> koen: are you know why all usb not work on 3.2.16 kernel on beagleboard xM?
  • [15:46:31] <_av500_> bradfa: ok, the silly glasses one :)
  • [15:46:40] <fierman> it doesn;t ?
  • [15:46:48] <fierman> i think i might just as well give up then
  • [15:46:51] <bradfa> _av500_, Yep, that's me :)
  • [15:47:01] * _av500_ goes to Biergarten
  • [15:47:07] <arcanescu> who has facebook sahrse?
  • [15:47:10] <arcanescu> *shares
  • [15:47:16] <fierman> 3.2.16 branch from koens repo refuses to build here
  • [15:47:21] <fierman> the patch script bumps out
  • [15:47:33] <fierman> etc
  • [15:47:57] <stuk_gen> koens repo is link to angstrom? or is other repos?
  • [15:48:02] <fierman> can anyone please pretty please link towards a pre-compiled 3.2.* kernel that is compatible with beagleboard_xm ?
  • [15:48:09] <fierman> stuk_gen: kernel
  • [15:48:42] <stuk_gen> fierman: so now kernel 3.2.16 don't work on beagleboard xm?
  • [15:48:53] <fierman> stuk_gen: apparently not then
  • [15:49:21] <stuk_gen> fierman: ...so...why its a standar for angstrom if don't work?!?
  • [15:49:28] <fierman> stuk_gen: don;t ask me
  • [15:49:37] <aholler> please don't place rumors into the world
  • [15:49:44] <fierman> i am not placing rumours
  • [15:50:12] <fierman> i am just looking at yet another kernel build bumping out of me
  • [15:50:40] <stuk_gen> what i'm sais is i have 3.0.28 image...i need a package for multitouch..so i simply do 'opkg install ...' and tadan...this install lastest package and upgrade kernel to 3.2.16...and no works :)
  • [15:51:54] <fierman> yeah, well. that's sort of expected, isn;t it
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  • [15:52:39] <stuk_gen> what i don't understand is why upgrade the kernel when install the package...mistery
  • [15:53:24] <fierman> that method would even fail on end-user linux distros
  • [15:53:54] <stuk_gen> fierman: what method? opkg?
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  • [16:04:39] * mdp watches bradfa preach to the choir on g+ ;)
  • [16:05:32] <bradfa> :)
  • [16:05:39] <bradfa> I like preaching!
  • [16:06:16] <bradfa> I figure, maybe if a TI customer yells loud enough, someone will hear
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  • [16:06:49] * bradfa goes to lunch
  • [16:07:33] <mdp> bradfa, believe or not, it already happened on some other fronts
  • [16:08:44] <mdp> bradfa, if you can eliminate e2e then you would be a hero to many.
  • [16:08:54] <koen> yes
  • [16:08:59] <koen> death to e2e
  • [16:10:24] <mdp> submit your patches to e2e cult, koen
  • [16:11:32] <koen> I posted to e2e a while ago
  • [16:11:42] <koen> kridner said that was the only way to get a result
  • [16:11:48] <koen> complete fail
  • [16:12:31] <mdp> no response?
  • [16:12:38] <koen> exactly
  • [16:12:44] <mdp> oh, bummer
  • [16:12:54] <mdp> I don't follow those..for obvious reasons
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  • [16:15:34] <koen> stuk_gen: 3.2.x works fine with usb on the c5 and xM over here
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  • [17:28:54] <fierman> koen: i must apoligize for my statements earlier. did not see the work you did yesterday on narcissus. nice one there :)
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  • [17:35:27] <prpplague> koen: i see you added fbida
  • [17:36:01] <prpplague> koen: i need to check and see if the edid tools,evtest and fb-test get into there
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  • [17:58:12] <Crofton|work> prpplague, you will add panda to narcissus?
  • [17:58:42] <prpplague> Crofton|work: it's on my todo list, but i don;t know how long it will be before i get there
  • [17:58:46] <koen> prpplague: I have a panda project coming up soon, what's the preferred kernel nowadays (don't say 'mainline')
  • [17:59:06] <Crofton|work> prpplague, are you on the angstrom list
  • [17:59:13] <Crofton|work> actually, there may be two lists :)
  • [17:59:48] <prpplague> koen: i recomend the linaro kernels
  • [17:59:54] <prpplague> Crofton|work: no
  • [18:00:01] <Crofton|work> what is in meta-ti?
  • [18:00:14] <Crofton|work> do you mind if I forward you copies of panda emails?
  • [18:00:17] <koen> prpplague: thanks!
  • [18:00:29] <Crofton|work> what is in meta-ti does boot
  • [18:00:43] <Crofton|work> basically, I am trying to spread the support load out
  • [18:00:45] <denix> Crofton|work: it's ubuntu
  • [18:00:46] * mru just thought of a great name for the next ubuntu: rheumatic rhinoceros
  • [18:01:02] <koen> mru: I'd go for 'randy'
  • [18:01:07] <prpplague> Crofton|work: ok send away
  • [18:01:16] <Crofton|work> I do not think there are many
  • [18:01:20] <prpplague> koen: *cough* evtest and fb-test?
  • [18:01:20] <mru> koen: that would have to be a racoon though
  • [18:01:25] <Crofton|work> just figured I would ask firt
  • [18:01:37] <koen> prpplague: evtest is sinple, fbtest would need a recipe first
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  • [18:02:23] <prpplague> koen: i guess evtest is already has a receipe?
  • [18:02:36] <koen> it does
  • [18:02:52] <denix> Crofton|work: git://dev.omapzoom.org/pub/scm/integration/kernel-ubuntu.git;protocol=git;branch=ti-ubuntu-3.1-1282
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  • [19:27:35] <koen> prpplague: one of them works, the other needs an x86 only syscall
  • [19:31:31] <_av500_> bradfa: heh, yelling a TI is my job description
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  • [19:32:58] <_av500_> atm, our FAEs change every 6 months ...and need rehab
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  • [19:39:14] <prpplague> koen: oh thats the old versions that are not using the i2c subsystem
  • [19:39:21] <prpplague> koen: i'll have to look into that
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  • [21:33:18] <raymohi|bone> Oh good it compiled correctly
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  • [21:39:02] <prpplague> koen: sent
  • [21:42:02] <serekson> could this have somethign to do with commenting out rm_work in the config file
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