• [00:00:06] <mdp> please tell me that's av500 under there...please!
  • [00:02:18] <ds2> Hmmmmm
  • [00:03:17] <prpplague> or ds2
  • [00:04:56] <ds2> <-- buried
  • [00:05:06] <mdp> it could just be a fortune-bot with a compilation of the "best of" 2011 to replay for us
  • [00:06:33] <ds2> isn't that what mru's site is for? :)
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  • [00:10:40] <mdp> yes :) but it needs to complete the circle
  • [00:11:17] <mdp> 262654bot has entered the room!
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  • [00:15:29] <mdp> kkeller, thanks, merged it???I have some other stuff I need to finish before I'll get to the wrapping up the schematic view
  • [00:16:24] <kkeller> mdp glad to help out - I already have one of my capes in fritzing :)
  • [00:16:35] <mdp> excellent :)
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  • [00:17:12] <mdp> I have some tweaks yet and got the blessing from Boris Houndleroy's sidekick to add the branded logos to it
  • [00:17:49] <mdp> I've been sitting on some half finished stuff wrt openocd docs that simply must get done now
  • [00:19:14] <kkeller> I'm in no hurry??? if there is more I can do to help, let me know
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  • [00:59:04] <ds2> i am seeing a serious problem with the beagle family of boards
  • [00:59:21] <ds2> it is too unrealistically easy to get things to work compare to the other stuff out there @!#$!#@!@%$!@$#!@
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  • [01:00:21] <prpplague> ds2: hehe
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  • [01:31:24] <ds2> versions in the dmm do not cut it
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  • [04:53:06] <_av500_> ds2: nonsense, compared to the r-pi, beagle is rocket surgery
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  • [06:17:11] <av500> Microsoft just grew a WART
  • [06:18:47] <aholler> ?
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  • [06:23:12] <aholler> goodie for the asm-freaks: https://github.com/jmechner/Prince-of-Persia-Apple-II
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  • [06:30:11] <aholler> what is the rt in "ARM RT"?
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  • [06:30:52] <ds2> _av500_: can you say pogoplug?
  • [06:31:35] <aholler> I have 4 of them ;)
  • [06:31:52] <av500> aholler: Really a Tablet
  • [06:32:01] <ds2> and are they less useful then a pogostick? :D
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  • [06:32:24] <aholler> Linux eiche 3.3.2-dockstar-00007-g78e0c06 #40 PREEMPT Sun Apr 15 11:08:49 CEST 2012 armv5tel Feroceon 88FR131 rev 1 (v5l) Seagate FreeAgent DockStar GNU/Linux
  • [06:32:35] <ds2> oh the fake pogoplugs ;)
  • [06:32:41] <aholler> one is my 24/7 workhorse
  • [06:32:50] <ds2> aholler: is that a pxa168?
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  • [06:33:11] <ds2> or is the 88FR131 truely a diff processor?
  • [06:33:23] <aholler> don't know what the pxa168 is ;)
  • [06:33:37] <ds2> :)
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  • [06:41:15] <aholler> looking at the pxa168, the kirkwood seems to lack just the graphics accelerator
  • [06:41:34] <ds2> oh
  • [06:41:34] <aholler> and the ac97
  • [06:41:45] <ds2> like the 3530 vs 3503
  • [06:43:32] <aholler> hmm, otg is missing too
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  • [06:47:04] <aholler> the pxa seems to be for things with an gui while the kirkwood is more for nas-boxes
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  • [06:50:22] <aholler> anyway, both are outdated hw ;)
  • [06:51:43] <aholler> except the gbit-if and working usb ;)
  • [06:53:50] <ds2> ah
  • [06:53:59] <av500> usb is overrated
  • [06:54:37] <ds2> yes
  • [06:54:50] <ds2> which OTG driver does the pxa use anyways?
  • [06:55:35] <ds2> the EHCI one appropriated by the other A9 folks or is it another monster USB implementation?
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  • [06:58:01] <aholler> the otg on the pxa must be different than the one on the kirkwood. the orion (kirkwood) doesn't support otg, just device-mode (udc)
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  • [06:58:53] <aholler> lokks like it's ARC
  • [06:59:45] <aholler> never heard that before, but I didn't know the m in musb before too ;)
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  • [07:04:34] <ds2> oh I see
  • [07:04:51] <ds2> the real question of course is - does OTG really work or is it like the "OTG" on the PXA270
  • [07:06:04] <aholler> seems to be different: http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2010-June/017655.html
  • [07:08:13] <aholler> are you searching for an usb-ip?
  • [07:09:36] <aholler> I wouldn't buy the ones from intel and m*
  • [07:10:19] <aholler> got burned by both
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  • [07:16:29] <av500> aholler: write your own with an LS138 and a few GPIOs...
  • [07:25:10] <aholler> and the I replace the faulty ip in my core-i7 with that
  • [07:26:18] <aholler> I'm unsure if I really want to buy a laptop with intels new ivy-bridge, based on the experience I made with my first-gen core i7 :/
  • [07:27:56] <aholler> I'm still unable to copy from one usb-hd to another.
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  • [07:29:47] <aholler> even using just one is like playing lotto
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  • [08:29:16] <aholler> hmm, I think I would get rich when I sell all my ac-adaptors as scrap metal
  • [08:29:19] <av500> most beatiful patch ever: http://code.google.com/p/android-x86/issues/attachmentText?id=474&aid=4740002000&name=new+file&token=vrh4WfqRk_i03pDeqhVqRyz15co%3A1334358364102
  • [08:29:31] <av500> aholler: the old non-switching ones?
  • [08:29:50] <aholler> all sorts
  • [08:30:10] <av500> the switching one have little metal inside
  • [08:31:32] <aholler> just got my pollin package, including two small switching adaptors with changeable voltage and multiple connectors. Now I can get rid of a hundreds of others ;)
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  • [08:35:13] <aholler> who writes such patches?
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  • [08:39:49] <ynezz> apparently somebody smoking too much
  • [08:40:00] <ynezz> (or not enough)
  • [08:42:16] <koen> adroid people
  • [08:42:41] <LetoThe2nd> cool patch indeed.
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  • [08:43:19] <LetoThe2nd> we should comment that numbering is uncool, and the controllers should be renamed "super" and "fantastic" or such
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  • [09:08:13] <lpi> what are differences between the ARM A8 and the OMAP, except for power?
  • [09:08:42] <LetoThe2nd> lpi: one is an ip core, the other is an actual incarnation.
  • [09:08:43] <aholler> a8 is a processor, omap a soc
  • [09:09:32] <av500> A10 is a SoC
  • [09:09:45] <av500> ir even has an A8 inside
  • [09:09:48] <av500> it
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  • [09:17:12] <lpi> thanks
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  • [09:34:57] <ant_work> koen: I'm playing with kernels and instead of creating a new one (duplicate) I'm including a .bb from another recipe. Known drawbacks?
  • [09:38:16] <av500> huge explosions?
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  • [09:38:52] <ant_work> almost, unexpected flames
  • [09:39:14] <av500> add curves and you have a michael bay movie
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  • [09:49:32] <LetoThe2nd> av500: where can i sign up?
  • [09:50:22] <av500> LetoThe2nd: you have the curves?
  • [09:50:52] <LetoThe2nd> nope, i want to see the movie afterwards.
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  • [10:06:35] <Cuongle> hello guys
  • [10:07:33] <Cuongle> my BB-xM cannot start
  • [10:07:58] <Cuongle> I just recieved "60" via console
  • [10:07:58] <Cuongle> :(
  • [10:08:07] <koen> ant_work: no, I do that a lot locally as well
  • [10:08:35] <ant_work> nice, I'll send you a patch for this soon http://paste.debian.net/163654/
  • [10:13:51] <Cuongle> my BB-xM cannot start , I just recieved "60" via console
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  • [10:13:59] <Cuongle> How can I fix it?
  • [10:14:05] <Cuongle> thank you so much
  • [10:14:12] <av500> sdcard inside?
  • [10:14:19] <av500> correctly prepared?
  • [10:14:35] <Cuongle> yes
  • [10:14:53] <Cuongle> just led D5 and D14 On
  • [10:15:15] <av500> well, then the card is wrong/bad/not inserted
  • [10:15:54] <Cuongle> oh, I formated
  • [10:16:04] <Cuongle> and reInstall
  • [10:16:17] <Cuongle> but nothing changes
  • [10:16:28] <aholler> formated the wrong way
  • [10:17:34] <Cuongle> I used Disk Utility to format
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  • [10:18:31] <aholler> ?
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  • [10:18:58] <Cuongle> and I use Imager to write file Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo-image-glibc-ipk-2010.3-beagleboard.sd-image-2GiB.img
  • [10:19:05] <Cuongle> on SD card
  • [10:19:14] <av500> if you used an image, there is nothing to format
  • [10:19:33] <av500> the "image" is formatted already
  • [10:20:00] <Cuongle> yes, I mean I format SDcard and write Image on it
  • [10:20:23] <av500> how did you "write" it?
  • [10:20:29] <av500> please xplain the exact step
  • [10:20:31] <av500> steps
  • [10:20:32] <Cuongle> it sames if I write Image without format it
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  • [10:21:16] <Cuongle> 1st, I format SD card type FAT
  • [10:21:39] <XorA> OMG a Pi just sold for 205 quid
  • [10:21:51] <Cuongle> 2nd, I use ImageWriter on Ubuntu to write Image file on SD card
  • [10:21:59] <lpi> XorA: link?
  • [10:22:06] <XorA> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-Brand-New-Box-/180864377586?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2a1c5b62f2&autorefresh=true
  • [10:22:34] <Cuongle> that's all. Plz help. Thank you so much.
  • [10:22:34] <av500> XorA: I think I saw one for 240 even
  • [10:22:44] <XorA> NUTTERS!!!!!
  • [10:22:45] <lpi> XorA: Ok, I'll start my business
  • [10:22:48] <lpi> want to join? :D
  • [10:23:08] <av500> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-ModelB-Brand-New-Box-/140739793135?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopComponents_RL&hash=item20c4bed0ef
  • [10:23:10] <av500> 240
  • [10:23:43] <XorA> heh, I would by two pandas and a pint for that
  • [10:23:46] <Cuongle> av500 you still here?
  • [10:23:50] <av500> Cuongle: "use ImageWriter on Ubuntu" how?
  • [10:24:20] <koen> XorA: I thought the pis were cheap
  • [10:24:26] <av500> on irc, always imagine that we cannot see your screen
  • [10:24:48] <av500> koen: not after you add the idiotax
  • [10:24:55] <Cuongle> av500: yes, it just a tool to write Image ON SDcard, like win32diskimager on Windows
  • [10:25:06] <XorA> looks like over 50% of the first batch are on ebay and all approaching 100 quid or more
  • [10:25:07] <av500> yes, I know
  • [10:25:25] <av500> Cuongle: "use ImageWriter on Ubuntu" how?
  • [10:25:32] <koen> av500: but they said is was CHEAP
  • [10:25:46] <XorA> koen: get some bones on there listed as Pi compatible
  • [10:25:48] <av500> remember, "they" control world politics
  • [10:26:52] <av500> koen: I guess you should have actioned away the 1st bone batch too.....
  • [10:26:57] <av500> auctioned
  • [10:27:13] <Cuongle> av500: I mean I using Imagewriter to write Angstrom Image to sdcard
  • [10:27:26] <av500> ok, I give up
  • [10:27:28] <koen> we have it to TI to include the box and software damage
  • [10:27:31] <koen> gave*
  • [10:28:34] <XorA> Pi is the new Openmoko
  • [10:29:17] <Cuongle> av500: Im the freshman with Linux...please be patient..thank you so much
  • [10:29:50] <av500> [12:24:26] <av500> on irc, always imagine that we cannot see your screen
  • [10:30:35] <Cuongle> ..
  • [10:34:23] <XorA> linux guys dont have patience, otherwise they would run windows :-D
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  • [10:37:24] * av500 runs windows to play a Patience
  • [10:40:22] <Cuongle> anyone here?
  • [10:41:29] <av500> everybody left for lunch
  • [10:41:44] <av500> [12:23:50] <av500> Cuongle: "use ImageWriter on Ubuntu" how?
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  • [10:42:41] <Cuongle> wish you good food
  • [10:44:46] <Cuongle> av500: sorry, I not really understand your Q: "use ImageWriter on Ubuntu" how?
  • [10:44:54] <Cuongle> :(
  • [10:45:46] <aholler> use dd and be carfull to select the correct /dev/sdN
  • [10:46:00] <aholler> as every tutorial suggests
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  • [10:47:36] <XorA> its ok, writing /dev/sda is ok until you reboot :_D
  • [10:50:03] <Cuongle> XorA: yes, all are OK
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  • [10:50:23] <XorA> Cuongle: PLEASE DONE WRITE TO sda!!!!!
  • [10:50:44] <XorA> DONT
  • [10:50:54] <Cuongle> yes, what should I do?
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  • [10:51:15] <XorA> do as aholler says
  • [10:52:19] <Cuongle> Ok, thank you all my buddies.
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  • [11:51:10] <aholler> hmm, a cortex-m0 emu for avr: http://dmitry.co/index.php?p=./04.Thoughts/08.%20uM0
  • [11:52:36] <av500> so, I can run my Cortex A15 emulator written for M0 on it?
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  • [11:53:07] <aholler> why not
  • [11:53:17] <mru> does that avr have enough memory to store the internal state of the a15?
  • [11:54:12] * av500 does handwaving
  • [11:54:41] <aholler> chain enough i2c-rams
  • [11:55:23] <av500> use a long shift register
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  • [11:56:56] <panto> oh, lab126?
  • [11:57:15] <mdp> panto, :)
  • [11:57:50] <mdp> somebody is making too much money on these arm cores if we can just emulate them on an avr
  • [11:57:55] <mdp> revolution!
  • [11:58:48] <av500> emulate A15 in r-pi
  • [11:58:50] <av500> win-win
  • [11:58:54] <panto> 200kHz should be enough to run systemd right? :)
  • [11:59:01] <ynezz> not with dbus
  • [11:59:44] <ynezz> and without dbus it's udev, what was your question?
  • [11:59:45] * mdp notes the beginning of an e2e post: "I have been stucked at a Point with confusion."
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  • [12:00:09] <av500> epic
  • [12:00:48] * av500 must not write "I have been stucked to a cross with nails"
  • [12:01:21] <koen> yes
  • [12:01:27] <koen> because that's bad grammar
  • [12:01:38] <av500> right, it should be "at a"
  • [12:02:07] <panto> shouldn't that just be "I have been nailed to a cross"?
  • [12:02:21] <koen> 'to stick' is a strong verb
  • [12:02:46] <koen> so 'stucked' is one past tense too many
  • [12:02:54] <av500> depends on the glue
  • [12:03:06] <av500> "I have been bluetacked to a cross"
  • [12:03:23] <mru> koen: yes, it happened in a previous life
  • [12:03:25] <koen> (and yes, it's present perfect, not past tense)
  • [12:03:35] <panto> "Jesus has been blue-tacked for our sins" doesn't have a nice ring to it
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  • [12:05:21] <koen> it also violates causality
  • [12:05:55] <panto> I doubt causality is the only violation of christianity :)
  • [12:06:00] <mdp> at one point I tried to answer all the e2e questions..but quickly found that it would consume 3x of a typical work week
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  • [12:06:34] <koen> mdp: you joined after the big ph0rum push
  • [12:06:40] <mru> mdp: per day
  • [12:07:05] <koen> mdp: with the big push every post needed an answer within 48 hours
  • [12:07:15] <mdp> koen, oh???well???I was told we were responsible for answering them???what I later found out is that it's only expected if you know the answer off the top of your head
  • [12:07:22] <koen> mdp: so AMBU apps had some people fulltime on it to avoid the wrath of upper mgmt
  • [12:07:29] <mdp> koen, we still have that..expect it's just a reply within 24 hrs
  • [12:07:47] <mdp> koen, do you know how easy it is to fulfill the reply metric? :)
  • [12:07:51] <koen> I do
  • [12:07:57] <mdp> oh yeah :)
  • [12:08:05] <koen> it used to be 'answer' as in 'solution'
  • [12:08:13] <mdp> yeah, good luck there
  • [12:08:15] <koen> that lasted a month or 2
  • [12:08:33] <mdp> I've been down a rat hole on a couple trying to be helpful..then quit replying
  • [12:08:54] <mdp> then get a note from some people in TII begging me to reengage with the crazy person
  • [12:10:05] <aholler> just write a m0-emu for the msp, and afterwards an avr-emu too
  • [12:11:15] <mru> it's enough with an avr-emu
  • [12:11:19] <mru> it can run the m0-emu
  • [12:12:36] <av500> well, but the MSP itself should be written in javascript to begin with
  • [12:13:00] <av500> and that javascript should run in a browser in an emulated cpu
  • [12:13:11] <mru> emulators all the way down
  • [12:13:16] <aholler> msp on qemu ;)
  • [12:13:51] <aholler> or "msp430 for android"
  • [12:15:17] <aholler> hmpf, two bt-headsets are dead, f* lipos
  • [12:15:55] <av500> don't sit on them
  • [12:16:05] <aholler> leave them alone and they will die
  • [12:16:11] <av500> yes
  • [12:16:22] <av500> it's neat
  • [12:16:30] <av500> once gets to sell new hardware every 2 years
  • [12:16:39] <aholler> exactly
  • [12:16:39] <av500> but you can run yours from NiCDs
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  • [12:16:45] <mdp> I still don't get the value of an msp430 if it can't run android
  • [12:16:46] <av500> 100 fps!
  • [12:17:04] <mdp> and no easy way to interface a 4.5" super amoled display
  • [12:18:17] <av500> mdp: why not? all of the MSPs GPIOs together could maybe power the backlight
  • [12:19:12] <mdp> excellent!
  • [12:19:18] <av500> jkridner: Oh cmon, are you serious?
  • [12:19:25] <jkridner> about?
  • [12:19:37] <jkridner> G+ stuff?
  • [12:19:44] <av500> a blog post about a github that has a PDF that has "opkg install task-native-sdk" inside?
  • [12:19:49] <jkridner> hehe.
  • [12:19:58] <jkridner> yeah, I was less than impressed.
  • [12:20:01] <koen> av500: I was just going "WTF?" about the same
  • [12:20:03] <jkridner> sorry for the noise....
  • [12:20:06] <av500> yeah, so why post it?
  • [12:20:10] <av500> this is not facebook
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  • [12:20:26] <mdp> av500, I'm starting to think the e2e people and the #beagle people prpplague references are the same
  • [12:20:33] <av500> see, Crofton left in disgust...
  • [12:20:49] <jkridner> k. feedback noted. I'll be a bit more discretionary and find another way to log stuff in a more exhaustive manner.
  • [12:20:53] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [12:20:55] <Crofton|work> no
  • [12:21:07] <Crofton|work> found out that machine had been tethereed via phone all night
  • [12:21:26] <jkridner> Are the Tenet folks here on the channel?
  • [12:21:27] <av500> and now you are bankrupt?
  • [12:21:43] <jkridner> perhaps they could comment on the usefulness of this new repo....
  • [12:22:01] <jkridner> these might be useful tidbits for the SRM updates Koen is working on....
  • [12:22:06] <mdp> only 12.72 clicks to reach this useful pdf
  • [12:22:08] <av500> and the usefulness of the PDFs inside
  • [12:22:12] <jkridner> which was part of what I was thinking when I shared it.
  • [12:22:22] <jkridner> it shows the types of things newbies get hung up on .
  • [12:22:34] <av500> jkridner: well then share: "opkg install task-native-sdk"
  • [12:22:37] <jkridner> it is the sort of thing Koen really needs to document in his SRM contributions.
  • [12:22:47] <mdp> +1 is so much easier
  • [12:22:52] <av500> +1
  • [12:23:10] <jkridner> gotcha.... don't make you dig for it.... let you know how banal it is in the title.
  • [12:23:21] <mdp> I want a +2 option so my vote counts???Chicago style
  • [12:23:31] <koen> jkridner: actually not
  • [12:23:34] <ynezz> +2 is patented
  • [12:23:38] <koen> jkridner: task-native-sdk is already included
  • [12:23:41] <mdp> jkridner, the name of the game is attention span
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  • [12:24:35] <koen> I can of course make a section titled "how to install stuff that is already installed, for the people who think everything on the internet is true"
  • [12:24:38] <aholler> just preinstall gcc
  • [12:24:46] <av500> jkridner: actually I am waiting for a "how to move the mouse cursor on a beagleboard XM" post
  • [12:24:49] <aholler> and the kernel as git-repo
  • [12:25:25] <ynezz> av500: I've top-right corner badge
  • [12:25:27] <XorA> git boot kernel?
  • [12:25:29] <jkridner> well, guess you could mention that it is installed in the SRM then.
  • [12:25:35] <mdp> I'm considering a post on how "getting started" on osx or winders is an epic fail
  • [12:26:09] <aholler> and don't forget to preinstall opencv too
  • [12:26:10] <av500> koen: "Sir, I have a doubt, how do I install opkg install task-native-sdk in the SRM?
  • [12:26:17] <mdp> "Don't listen to the official beagleboard.org folks when they try to convince you that hosting on those platforms is at all useful"
  • [12:26:24] <koen> av500: I can show you the exact steps
  • [12:26:44] <av500> no document handy?
  • [12:26:52] * koen also adds a section on how to liberate funds from a exiled nigerian prince
  • [12:27:01] <av500> maybe a pdf or ppt, nothing fancy, a few animations shoud do....
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  • [12:27:17] <aholler> beagleboard as spam-bot
  • [12:27:25] <mdp> koen, I want animations like the one elc session I went to
  • [12:27:27] <aholler> new gsoc project
  • [12:27:37] <mdp> koen, animation that are only possible in powerpoint
  • [12:27:56] <av500> mdp: did it get you animated?
  • [12:28:08] <mdp> I was bedazzled, I must admit
  • [12:28:15] <mdp> nfc what the session was about
  • [12:28:52] <XorA> guys it would be a whole lot easier if you would just design the boards to climb back into the box and mail themselves back to distributer if user failed an IQ test
  • [12:29:10] <av500> koen: +1 for removing the ancient 2GB demo images!!!
  • [12:29:20] <mdp> XorA: marketing rejected that technology
  • [12:29:35] <XorA> pack marketing back into a box and mail to .....
  • [12:29:39] <mdp> XorA: they projected a 90% drop in sales
  • [12:29:54] <mdp> s/sales/recognized revenue/
  • [12:30:43] <koen> \o/
  • [12:30:44] <koen> https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc/commit/667fd9ff9c6a45be2b1e10782573ca5cb02c7763
  • [12:30:55] <XorA> free swap real hardware for foam version?
  • [12:32:25] <av500> koen: wow, even with drama
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  • [12:34:00] <koen> av500: yes, both debian and ffmpeg drama
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  • [12:34:10] <XorA> drama ^ 2
  • [12:34:14] <av500> ddrama
  • [12:34:40] <koen> I bet debian optmizes ffmpeg for 286/hurd
  • [12:36:15] * koen waits for richardson, TX to wake up and drive to work
  • [12:37:28] <XorA> press fast forward on the world :-D
  • [12:37:52] * mdp eagerly awaits part 2 of the getting started with osx lion???.compiling the kernel
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  • [12:38:06] <ogra_> well, be careful ... if all of richardson reacts at the same time that will cause traffic jams without end
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  • [12:40:06] <koen> that osx link isn't that bad actually
  • [12:41:53] <av500> yep
  • [12:42:07] <av500> ogra_: add jitter
  • [12:42:17] <ogra_> heh
  • [12:42:36] <koen> RED on highways would be awesome
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  • [12:42:47] <av500> http://highscalability.com/blog/2012/4/17/youtube-strategy-adding-jitter-isnt-a-bug.html
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  • [12:43:24] <koen> ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_early_detection
  • [12:44:20] <av500> nice, simulink adds dsp support to Arduino....
  • [12:47:25] <guyzmo> hi
  • [12:48:22] <guyzmo> I'm trying to package a soft we're deploying for a test bench as an ansgtrom package and I want to put it in a feed
  • [12:49:16] <guyzmo> but though I'm googling a lot and reading loads of doc, I'm still don't know where to start
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  • [12:53:10] <av500> I also like how people confuse the matlab "dsp toolbox" with "matlabs uses the dsp on beagle"
  • [12:54:17] <koen> I also like that people think matlab is used outside academia
  • [12:54:34] <av500> in companies I saw, they use excel
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  • [12:54:54] <aholler> as a db
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  • [12:55:03] <av500> as a scientific tool
  • [12:55:16] <av500> because the nice thing about excel, it always outputs a result
  • [12:59:08] <lpi> xD
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  • [13:01:04] <dm8tbr> koen: I actually have a guy sitting next to me with a big MatLab sticker on the back of his corporate issue StinkPad.
  • [13:01:46] <koen> does he actually use it at work?
  • [13:02:05] <dm8tbr> yes
  • [13:02:19] <lpi> what's bad with matlab,
  • [13:02:21] <lpi> ?
  • [13:02:31] <dm8tbr> but he's also the algorithm brain for a highly advanced self learning system
  • [13:02:53] <mdp> koen, I only take issue with that path because it's a productivity dead-end
  • [13:02:55] <mru> matlab is great for prototyping and solving one-off problems
  • [13:06:06] <guyzmo> can anyone help me on how I can create such a feed ?
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  • [13:14:23] <jsabeaudry> Anyone managed to get ethernet working with a CONFIG_PREEMPT=y kernel?
  • [13:15:02] <koen> define "working"
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  • [13:15:19] <jsabeaudry> can ping something
  • [13:15:32] <jsabeaudry> (pretty low standard)
  • [13:15:33] <ogra_> jsabeaudry, ubuntu uses it on all its builds, given the omap3 beagle images work i would say yes
  • [13:15:40] <koen> that works, but more than that, no
  • [13:15:46] <koen> ogra_: funny man
  • [13:15:50] <ogra_> why ?
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  • [13:16:17] <koen> ogra_: you're saying beaglebone ethernet works with PREEMPT=y
  • [13:16:23] <ogra_> i have working ethernet on all my beagles with the ubuntu kernel which defaults to CONFIG_PREEMPT=y
  • [13:16:40] <ogra_> (as all ubuntu kernels do)
  • [13:16:40] <koen> even on the bone?
  • [13:16:43] <ogra_> no
  • [13:16:43] <mru> I didn't know ubuntu supported bone at all
  • [13:17:01] * ogra_ missed that the question was about bone, sorry
  • [13:17:07] <jsabeaudry> koen, so one has the choice between ethernet and decent irq latency ?
  • [13:17:16] <koen> jsabeaudry: correct
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  • [13:17:41] <mru> run an rtos if irq latency matters
  • [13:17:50] <mru> qnx has a bsp for the bone
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  • [13:19:01] <jsabeaudry> mru, well "matters", i can live with 1-2 ms wich is pretty awful by an rtos point of view, but the 50ms of a non preemptible kernel really break what an irq is supposed to be imho
  • [13:19:30] <koen> on x86 you can spend 4 seconds on an SMI according to intel folks
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  • [13:22:12] <av500> koen: but you have more than one core :)
  • [13:22:24] <av500> jsabeaudry: usa a beaglebone Duo
  • [13:22:27] <av500> use*
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  • [13:24:47] <jsabeaudry> In that case i'd rather buy a fatter fpga that will be able to buffer 50ms of data
  • [13:25:01] <av500> 50ms?
  • [13:25:09] <av500> where do you get 50ms latency?
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  • [13:25:20] <jsabeaudry> gpio irq
  • [13:25:32] <av500> and you measured that?
  • [13:25:38] <jsabeaudry> worst case is around 50ms
  • [13:25:40] <jsabeaudry> yes with a scope
  • [13:25:52] <jsabeaudry> best case is around 500us
  • [13:26:30] <av500> I've been running user space stuff with a 1ms scheduler for years and never saw 50ms latency
  • [13:26:51] <jsabeaudry> av500, how do you configure a 1ms scheduler?
  • [13:26:59] <av500> in the kernel config
  • [13:27:09] <koen> disable dyntick and set HZ to 1000?
  • [13:27:11] <av500> unless you have NOHZ
  • [13:27:24] <av500> that was from times before dyntick
  • [13:27:48] <jsabeaudry> definitely worth a try
  • [13:27:57] <av500> and since I never saw user space block for 50ms, I wonder how kernel code could be
  • [13:28:20] <av500> in fact, 1ms scheduler and SCHED_FIFO in user space was just fine
  • [13:28:47] <jkridner> rcn-ee: I hear that the http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu image is running at only 350MHz.... do you know if that is correct?
  • [13:29:09] <av500> jkridner: it's to keep the "ubuntu is sluggish" image....
  • [13:29:10] <jkridner> could it be that it is simply running with an on-demand governor and people are interpreting the clock frequency incorrectly?
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  • [13:29:26] <rcn-ee> jkridner, is it under load? because omap-cpufreq is enabled..
  • [13:29:49] <rcn-ee> so it'll move between 350 -> 800...
  • [13:30:13] <rcn-ee> "sudo cpufreq-info" will print out the stats
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  • [13:32:36] <jkridner> k. have you looked at 1GHz support?
  • [13:33:12] <mru> used to work fine
  • [13:33:14] <mru> no more
  • [13:33:28] <mru> is that what we call progress these days?
  • [13:33:35] <mru> must be obama's fault
  • [13:33:47] <rcn-ee> as soon as sr1.5 patches appear again... ;) based on his email, that's after the new avs (smartreflex) gets moved to the new dir..
  • [13:34:14] <mru> why can't TI finish something just one time?
  • [13:34:16] <av500> it will all be working with DT
  • [13:34:21] <av500> mru: unpossible
  • [13:34:40] <av500> mru: if the actually "finish", they lost their linux patch contrib ranking
  • [13:34:44] <av500> lose*
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  • [13:34:45] <rcn-ee> they are moving it from the mach-omap2 -> a drivers...
  • [13:34:52] <av500> and MGT does not like that
  • [13:35:18] <rcn-ee> well, they can always create st1.5++ .. and change everything again..
  • [13:35:19] <av500> rewriting PM 3x gives you high linux patch stats
  • [13:35:30] <mru> so it seems
  • [13:36:02] <mru> but that's not the best part of those stats
  • [13:36:06] <av500> the other explanation is that they finish something and then look at at it shame and rewrite it - other just push it in mainline
  • [13:36:18] <mru> microsoft contributing more than canonical, that's funny
  • [13:36:28] <mru> ogra_: ^^ what can you say about that?
  • [13:36:44] <av500> the other explanation is that they finish something and then look at it in shame and rewrite it - others just push it in mainline
  • [13:36:50] <av500> there, with sense
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  • [13:37:59] <ogra_> mru, that microsoft is like 1000x bigger than canonical ?
  • [13:38:25] <ogra_> and that ubuntu is a pure downstream distro as well :)
  • [13:38:41] <mru> ubuntu is a pure patch-hoarding distro is what
  • [13:39:04] <rcn-ee> jkridner, just watching/reading http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-omap/msg67659.html hopefully Jean is able to implement all that..
  • [13:39:26] <ogra_> well, ubuntu is focused on adding glue, nothing else
  • [13:39:50] * Crofton|work makes a note about that next time someone asks him why not ubuntu
  • [13:39:53] <ogra_> if you want upstream stuff, go to linaro ;)
  • [13:39:59] <mru> so what are those ~1000 patches in ubuntu kernels?
  • [13:40:10] <ogra_> ask the ubuntu kernel team ?
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  • [13:40:31] <mru> there are two kinds of patches: ones that should go upstream and useless ones
  • [13:40:48] * ogra_ doesnt work on kernels usually ...
  • [13:40:57] <Crofton|work> that applies to all patches :)
  • [13:41:02] <ogra_> and i dont know where that number comes from either
  • [13:41:11] <av500> its the one after 999
  • [13:41:18] <ogra_> heh
  • [13:42:14] * ogra_ also doesnt get why everyone looks at kernel only ... take a look at gcc and the toolchain ...
  • [13:42:23] <ogra_> distros are more than just a kernel
  • [13:42:43] <ogra_> as well as are contributions ...
  • [13:43:05] <av500> like Unity
  • [13:43:30] <ogra_> well unity is a canonical upstream project ... ubuntu is only a consumer here
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  • [13:52:23] <mru> ogra_: I didn't count them, but there are quite a few ubuntu kernel patches: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu%2Fubuntu-precise.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=^ubuntu&sr=1
  • [13:52:45] <ogra_> might be
  • [13:52:56] <ogra_> as i said, i try to stay away from kernels
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  • [13:53:18] <ogra_> (beyond making them run on target HW at least)
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  • [13:53:40] <ogra_> the ubuntu kernel team can surely elaborate
  • [13:54:17] <ogra_> but you can be sure they wont carry any patches (and add maintenance penalty for 5 year supported releases) without very valid reasons
  • [13:54:24] <Crofton|work> ogra_, understand we bitch at everyone with out of mainline patches, or poor performance upstreamimg stuff
  • [13:54:56] <av500> we bitch at everyone. period
  • [13:55:00] <ogra_> Crofton|work, i dont feel attacked (especially not if mru is involved in such a discussion ;) ), no worries
  • [13:55:31] <nemik> how much RAM is needed to build Angstrom, say the cloud9 beaglebone image?
  • [13:55:34] <jkridner> hi Guest21555
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  • [13:56:01] <jkridner> rcn-ee was just mentioning http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-omap/msg67659.html, but I think that is a long-term fix of some kind.
  • [13:56:05] <jsabeaudry> guyzmo, HAve you tried just mimicking the other feeds?
  • [13:56:59] <jkridner> rcn-ee was saying that http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu kernel runs 350-800MHz using omap-cpufreq, but does not have whatever it takes to get to 1GHz.
  • [13:57:31] <jkridner> I believe that adaptive body biasing is required to enable 1GHz, but I'm not aware of that being around for the newer kernels.
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  • [13:58:19] <jkridner> rcn-ee: are you still around to confirm?
  • [13:59:01] <av500> wasnt that for 1.2?
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  • [13:59:29] <rcn-ee> no, 800Mhz+ needed the voltage increase for reliably... so it needs that stuff.
  • [13:59:48] <rcn-ee> but yeah, jkridner is correct...
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  • [14:00:42] <jkridner> I thought the reason the voltage increase wasn't there was because without ABB, you might overly shorten the life of your device (running a hot device at a higher voltage than needed).
  • [14:02:32] <nemik> i keep getting out of memory errors when building Angstrom. how much RAM do you guys recommend? my VM is currently set to 1GB
  • [14:02:46] <av500> plenty
  • [14:02:48] <rcn-ee> jkridner, that too... two of my xM (early A and B versions) will hardlock when forcing 1Ghz on bootup.. Angstrom and also the mmc voltage regulator hack would make it reliable..
  • [14:02:50] <av500> in 2001
  • [14:03:28] <nemik> av500: lol, yea. so what's the 2012 number? 8GB?
  • [14:03:39] <rcn-ee> jkridner, so maybe, they just work with later silicon as the process got refined..
  • [14:04:57] <jkridner> Guest21555: is that useful info?
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  • [14:07:18] <Guest21555> 1GHz is available from PSP release. Is that feasible to be used?
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  • [14:09:44] <guyzmo> jsabeaudry - what you mean ?
  • [14:10:07] <guyzmo> I'm trying to find out what's the "best way" to create a package
  • [14:10:12] <guyzmo> for angstrom
  • [14:10:19] <guyzmo> and it seems that it is through bitbake
  • [14:10:55] <guyzmo> but it's being a nightmare, as bitbake seems to do many things I don't think I need, but not building the actual package
  • [14:12:44] <guyzmo> and about the feed, what tools shall I use to create the listings etc.. ?
  • [14:13:09] <jsabeaudry> creating packages for angstrom is definitely with oe/bitbake
  • [14:13:42] <jsabeaudry> keep in mind that if you havent built anything yet, oe/bb will first need to build a toolchain for cross compiling
  • [14:13:56] <jsabeaudry> which may be why you see all kinds of stuff built that you dont need
  • [14:14:16] <guyzmo> I'm doing it directly on the beaglebone I use for development
  • [14:14:34] <guyzmo> (I'm actually running on OSX, and the toolchain failed to build on my machine ...)
  • [14:14:48] <jsabeaudry> hope you do it on a nfs and not on the sd card
  • [14:15:19] <jsabeaudry> have you let it finish your build?
  • [14:15:28] <jsabeaudry> did you get a ipk?
  • [14:15:32] <guyzmo> no I did not
  • [14:15:51] <jsabeaudry> were there errors?
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  • [14:16:10] <jsabeaudry> is the drive you are building on full ?
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  • [14:16:52] <guyzmo> well, what I've done is : git clone git://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/setup-scripts.git ; cd setup-scripts ; ./oebb.sh config beaglebone ; export MACHINE=beaglebone ; bitbake -b ~/the_bitbake_recipe_i_wrote.bb
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  • [14:17:18] <guyzmo> and it fails cos I don't have texi2html,makeinfo,svn,chrpath
  • [14:17:33] <guyzmo> which seems not to be per default on the feeds
  • [14:17:34] <jsabeaudry> guyzmo, well install those then
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  • [14:18:27] <jsabeaudry> guyzmo, to simplify your life you might want to just setup a virtual machine with linux
  • [14:18:38] <guyzmo> (and about the sdcard, I know I'll have to throw it once I'm done with all that, but it's the first of 22 other beaglebones we have ;) )
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  • [14:25:29] <guyzmo> ok, I'm getting a thoughtpolice's image for debian :)
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  • [14:29:37] <jkridner> Guest21555: I'm not sure exactly why not, but apparently it isn't easy to pull the patch and apply it to a newer kernel.
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  • [14:31:52] <mdp> jkridner, because there is a lot of churn in omap
  • [14:32:02] <mdp> particularly in that area
  • [14:32:10] <mru> no, omap is totally fucked
  • [14:32:14] <av500> that too
  • [14:32:25] <mdp> mru, thank you..I couldn't quite find the words
  • [14:32:26] <av500> wasnt all of arm fucked?
  • [14:32:34] <mru> no, just omap
  • [14:32:37] <av500> ah
  • [14:32:53] <mru> I'm sure rmk's old arm9tdmi is doing just fine
  • [14:33:38] <mdp> jkridner, so anyway, it requires somebody to 100% understand the changes and refactor for the current kernel???it's not a "trained patch monkey" exercise.
  • [14:34:03] <jkridner> anybody qualified working on it?
  • [14:34:40] <mdp> I have no visibility into people working on stuff at TI beyond what hits linux-omap
  • [14:34:58] <mdp> so from my pov, I know of nobody
  • [14:35:17] <rcn-ee> on linux-omap, it looks like jean.pihet it looking on it with his "AVS" driver..
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  • [14:36:15] <jkridner> mdp: I guess you are working on other subsystems?
  • [14:36:27] <mdp> jkridner, what do you mean?
  • [14:36:38] <jsabeaudry> koen, av500: Thanks for the HZ=1000 and no dynamic ticks, the worst case latency now seems to be around 10ms instead of 50ms, any other sweet tricks like this that could get me closer to 1ms ?
  • [14:36:44] <jkridner> aren't you working on TI ARM Cortex-A8 devices?
  • [14:37:11] <mdp> jkridner, me personally? I'm specifically looking at am37x-evm ehci host breakage
  • [14:37:26] <jkridner> k
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  • [14:37:55] <av500> jsabeaudry: what exactly are you measuring?
  • [14:37:59] <mdp> for those looking at beagleboard xm, 1ghz isn't a requirement...fwiw
  • [14:38:12] <mdp> it's in the "nice to have" class
  • [14:38:27] <panto> phew
  • [14:38:53] <av500> mdp: ehci host breakage? that rings a few bell towers
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  • [14:39:21] <mdp> av500, it's a seasonal thing
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  • [14:39:35] <av500> and now is hurting season?
  • [14:39:36] <jsabeaudry> av500, the time between the rise of a gpio and my first access to the gpmc (in the irq handler)
  • [14:39:46] <av500> all in kernel?
  • [14:40:42] <mdp> jkridner, there's enough more fundamental things broken to consume a team 5x the size right now :)
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  • [14:40:49] <jsabeaudry> av500, the code is in a kernel module yes
  • [14:41:06] <mdp> jkridner, dunno if you ever heard of this thing called musb?
  • [14:41:15] <av500> never!
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  • [14:41:20] <av500> its like GPTIMER12
  • [14:41:24] <mdp> count yourself lucky
  • [14:41:32] <mdp> :)
  • [14:41:40] <av500> mdp: I have people in my team that dream musb
  • [14:41:48] <av500> and I have people that dream EHCI
  • [14:41:56] <av500> unpleasant dreams
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  • [14:42:04] <mdp> it's common to mix those with unicorns and kittens
  • [14:42:09] <mdp> and prancing ponies
  • [14:42:17] <av500> we had a conf call with TI on a future SoC
  • [14:42:29] <av500> we asked them "does EHCI work finally"
  • [14:42:30] <Guest21555> Has anyone tried 1GHz with Ubuntu?
  • [14:42:33] <av500> they laughed
  • [14:42:38] <av500> then we read them the eratum
  • [14:42:43] <av500> then they fell silent
  • [14:43:08] <ogra_> Guest21555, linaor has i belive
  • [14:43:12] <ogra_> *linaro
  • [14:43:15] <av500> Lenor
  • [14:43:17] <ogra_> ... ask in #linaro
  • [14:43:28] <ogra_> av500, heh, that didnt come to mind yet
  • [14:43:30] <rcn-ee> Guest21555, just dump the uImage/modules from angstrom's 3.0.X kernel on top of the ubuntu rootfs..
  • [14:43:48] * ogra_ always thinks of a sanitary napkin hearing "linaro" though
  • [14:43:55] <mdp> av500, the trick is having our h/w apps guys hand hold your h/w designer through the twisted maze and you can get it working on am37x, at least
  • [14:44:16] <av500> mdp: am37xx is omap37xx?
  • [14:44:25] <av500> so the bugs should be the same?
  • [14:44:43] <Guest21555> Thanks Robert for the suggestion
  • [14:45:05] <av500> what rcn-ee mean to say "Linux runs Linux"
  • [14:45:08] <av500> meant*
  • [14:45:25] <ogra_> (its easy to test wit5h the ubuntu kernel though, its just bumping a cmdline option to enable 1GHz)
  • [14:46:13] <rcn-ee> yeah, but from what i've read, it sounds like he's using my image.. by forcing mpurate=1000, it should hardlock on bootup. ;)
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  • [14:47:34] <koen> rcn-ee: I'm trying to get over my extreme dislike for git submodules and see if I can fix the script instead :)
  • [14:48:25] <rcn-ee> koen, me too.. i almost got something working, then after a push, and then a pull on another machine the submodule wasn't pull in..
  • [14:48:49] <rcn-ee> want to just .gitignore a 'dl' directory, and have a script pull in linux-stable? ;)
  • [14:48:51] <mdp> av500, I still don't understand the gobbldygoop of the history of these parts, quite frankly
  • [14:48:59] <jsabeaudry> What is the highest safe value for HZ on the bone? Can I go much higher than 1000 you think?
  • [14:49:17] <av500> jsabeaudry: I would try to understand where that latency comes from
  • [14:49:24] <mdp> av500, iirc, it's a 3630 derivative
  • [14:49:25] <koen> rcn-ee: cp -a patches something ; git-foo bar ; sh something/script
  • [14:49:27] <av500> not increase HZ all the time
  • [14:49:32] <av500> mdp: right
  • [14:49:43] <av500> so your EHCI bugs should be well known here :)
  • [14:50:22] <mdp> well, there's the known stuff I've learned about just supporting the antique blessed kernels for customers...
  • [14:50:34] <mdp> then there's the new bugs inserted due to bitrot upstream
  • [14:51:24] <mdp> due to all the churn, and lack of real testing, there's been a lot of quirky breakage
  • [14:51:54] <koen> mdp: av500 also counts silicon bugs
  • [14:51:58] <mdp> mag found a lot of PM stuff just hammering on bogus registers on am35x...
  • [14:52:01] <av500> mostly
  • [14:52:04] <mdp> silicon bugs are features
  • [14:52:05] <av500> SW we can fix :)
  • [14:52:18] * guyzmo is retrying in a brand new debian vm
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  • [14:52:34] <mdp> think of them as challenges to conquer like Everest???they are "there" to be conquered
  • [14:52:49] <av500> mdp: yes, but why year after year?
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  • [14:52:58] <mdp> or if it's too painful, you choose a less difficult mountain
  • [14:53:06] <av500> we conquered EHCI for omap3430, 3440, 3630, 4430 and 4460
  • [14:53:09] <mdp> av500, process fail
  • [14:53:12] <guyzmo> jsabeaudry - btw, am I doing it right ? or shall I do something else before calling bitbake -b ~/the_bitbake_recipe_i_wrote.bb ?
  • [14:53:14] <av500> it gets plain boring
  • [14:53:23] <mdp> yep
  • [14:53:48] <av500> what I guees is happening that despite "one silicon every 6month", we are still seeing the old 3y dev cycle
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  • [14:54:00] <av500> so all these SoCs are WIP snapshots
  • [14:54:24] <mdp> I was little annoyed to be put on a plane with 4 hours notice only to have the fix be a backport of a handful of patches from mainline to 2.6.32???.after a long week of debug
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  • [14:54:34] <koen> hmmm
  • [14:54:35] <koen> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libminidump/tree/src/read-coredump.c#n173
  • [14:54:44] <jsabeaudry> guyzmo, that seems fine to me
  • [14:54:51] <av500> wtf?
  • [14:54:55] <koen> a variant of the HOME = /home/crofton && break
  • [14:54:56] <jsabeaudry> but you need to install dependencies first
  • [14:55:03] <jsabeaudry> that you enumerated before
  • [14:55:09] <mru> av500: it's on fd.o, no futher explanation necessary
  • [14:55:37] <mdp> av500, we've since been awarded a huge team of 2.5 people to fix all the issues in the kernel from the past umpteen years
  • [14:55:54] <av500> mdp: you should have just asked us :)
  • [14:56:07] <mdp> not those issues :)
  • [14:56:09] <av500> mru: its a tool to read Lennart
  • [14:56:16] <av500> mru: its a tool to read Lennart's core dumps?
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  • [15:07:14] <av500> is it Jan Axelson that is constantly breaking threads on the ML?
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  • [15:10:08] <rcn-ee> koen, this will pull in a good kernel sha commit, that patch apply function needs a little tweak stil... https://github.com/RobertCNelson/kernel-try3/blob/master/patches/patch.sh
  • [15:15:40] <aholler> hmm, just had a nip and it seems I've missed a good time to spray some blame too ;)
  • [15:16:06] <aholler> btw. 3.3.x is unusable ;)
  • [15:16:56] <aholler> and I like git submodules
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  • [15:18:19] <rcn-ee> aholler, seeing same here, 3.3.x just can't handle a load..
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  • [15:20:45] <koen> rcn-ee: I like the way you are heading with that script!
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  • [15:26:26] <rcn-ee> thanks, koen.. getting stuck right here in the patch section.. http://pastebin.com/D7ZBhgC3
  • [15:27:10] <koen> rcn-ee: yeah, that's why I wanted to cp patches/ to something in .gitignore when doing the actual patching
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  • [15:28:22] <rcn-ee> ah i see.. but we should be able to access them from the patches dir..
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  • [15:32:43] <aholler> rcn-ee: at least for one problem Russ found/got a patch: http://marc.info/?l=linux-omap&m=133406536900864&w=2
  • [15:33:32] <koen> rcn-ee: patches/ is under git control, so it goes away with the reset --hard
  • [15:33:45] <koen> rcn-ee: maybe a git checkout patches OLDSHA would work for that
  • [15:33:48] <aholler> but I still have to bisect for at least on other thing as more seems to be broken
  • [15:34:19] <rcn-ee> koen, but git reset should only be in the .gitignored directory holding the linux.git repo..
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  • [15:36:47] <koen> Crofton|work: what's your opinion on the tag name?
  • [15:37:02] <Crofton|work> as in the default
  • [15:37:04] <Crofton|work> ?
  • [15:37:12] <koen> Crofton|work: no, as in the name I used
  • [15:37:29] <koen> Crofton|work: "angstrom-v2012.05-yocto1.2"
  • [15:37:35] <koen> Crofton|work: as opposed to "denzil"
  • [15:37:45] <Crofton|work> no code names
  • [15:37:50] <av500> denzil?
  • [15:38:02] <Crofton|work> also, see if the other tags will have yocto in the front or the back
  • [15:38:07] <Crofton|work> and follow the same format
  • [15:42:19] <rcn-ee> koen, it just didn't like $PATCHPATH so just hardcoded it to ../patches and now it's patching just fine..
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  • [15:45:54] <rcn-ee> opps, it didn't like patching the defconfig, better just do *.patch ;)
  • [15:46:33] <koen> I ran into some bugs with git, hence the patch-by-patch git am , instead of git-am $list
  • [15:47:22] <rcn-ee> yeah, it's a must for the am335 v3.2 tree, you found the only way that worked relabily for merging in those stable patches..
  • [15:48:38] <koen> it has a conflicting merge inside in net/
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  • [15:52:43] <aholler> av500: as you like erratas about usb: http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/specification-updates/5-and-3400-chipset-specification-update.pdf
  • [15:52:54] <rcn-ee> humm, it now makes it thru all the patches... now to fix the src-uri.txt file location..
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  • [15:54:52] <av500> aholler: yes maybe
  • [15:55:20] <av500> aholler: but with Intel stuff you have a million people working around the same HW
  • [15:55:29] <aholler> doesn't help me
  • [15:55:37] <aholler> s/help/helped/
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  • [15:56:17] <aholler> they just stopped accepting usb-bugs at bugs.kernel.org and are forwarding to the ml where you've got lost
  • [15:56:27] <aholler> and intel doesn't support linux
  • [15:56:55] <av500> servers dont need usb
  • [15:57:07] <av500> and desktops dont need linux :)
  • [15:57:20] <av500> solved
  • [15:57:23] <aholler> so it looks like
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  • [15:58:25] <aholler> therefor my next desktop wilk be amd (again) ;)
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  • [15:59:30] <aholler> but for my laptop I'm lost in intel-land again :/
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  • [16:00:18] <av500> amd, lol
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  • [16:00:53] <aholler> I never had a problem with my amd64
  • [16:01:27] <av500> well, you are right, I have more dead P4s than dead Athlons
  • [16:01:36] <aholler> but the core i* is just a usb-nightmare
  • [16:01:45] <av500> but at least the P4s died gracefully
  • [16:03:16] <aholler> e.g. one 'fix' they did in the linux kernel, is just to restart usb in case of an error, without throwing out an error in dmesg
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  • [16:04:33] <av500> aholler: yes, it can be ascribed to "The user does not care!"
  • [16:05:32] <aholler> hmm, such a restart needs seconds. I've just stopped using usb-storage on my intel-box
  • [16:07:42] <aholler> so I now have 6 idle half-cores
  • [16:08:37] <av500> i see no issue on my I7
  • [16:08:52] <av500> but its an old I7
  • [16:09:22] <SilicaGel> hmm
  • [16:09:31] <aholler> Hmm, I was an early adopter, that stupid chipset just appeared when I bought it.
  • [16:09:40] <mru> which one?
  • [16:09:52] <aholler> p55
  • [16:09:59] <SilicaGel> uart4 on the beaglebone p9 pins 11 and 13 should work just fine shoudln't it
  • [16:10:11] <phh> speaking of usb bug... i'm running 3.2.0-psp7 on a beaglebone, and i've got a usb camera that randomly timesout (always before getting a single picture)
  • [16:10:20] <SilicaGel> I wonder if the default pinmux for uart4_rx is somewhere else, so that I can't change that pin to mode 6
  • [16:10:23] <phh> is it known/is there some workaround/fixes available somewhere ?
  • [16:10:32] <SilicaGel> This document says uart4_rx_mux2
  • [16:10:39] <SilicaGel> that mux2 is probably important
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  • [16:11:32] <mru> aholler: x58 chipset is working fine over here
  • [16:11:40] <rcn-ee> phh, that version had the latest workaround i pulled from http://arago-project.org/git/projects/?p=linux-am33x.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/v3.2-staging (the top 3 where musb "fixes")
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  • [16:13:14] <aholler> mru: I assume they fixed some of the stuff in later revisions.
  • [16:13:35] <aholler> Therfor I'm unsure if I really should by an ivy-bridge laptop when it appears
  • [16:14:25] <ruchir> anyone manged to vnc into angstrom 04/09 build on the beaglebone?
  • [16:14:37] <mru> I've never had any serious problems with intel chipsets
  • [16:15:05] <rcn-ee> my 440bx is still running great. ;)
  • [16:15:43] <aholler> I still have a pentium with that float-bug lying around ;)
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  • [16:18:08] <mru> I have plenty of cpus with lots of bugs
  • [16:18:13] <mru> most of them quite new too
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  • [16:18:41] <aholler> yeah, hw is a pain
  • [16:19:10] <mdp> I miss 68k
  • [16:19:31] <aholler> that one worked like a charm ;)
  • [16:19:37] <mru> my personal favourite cpu bug is the avr32 branch folding bug I found
  • [16:19:37] <mdp> flawless
  • [16:19:42] <mru> so utterly stupid
  • [16:19:51] <av500> we should never have left 6502
  • [16:20:06] <aholler> hmm, that had bugs too
  • [16:20:37] <aholler> but the sw was small enough to care about them
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  • [16:39:37] <aholler> anyway, back to bisecting 3.3 on the omap ;)
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  • [16:43:02] <mdp> aholler, everybody's doing it???regressions give you something to work on at least
  • [16:43:26] <aholler> it doesn't give me something to work, but my beagle ;)
  • [16:45:02] <mdp> hehe
  • [16:45:30] <mdp> does that mean you're doing the ethical thing and building the kernel on the beagle?
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  • [16:47:54] <aholler> exactly, I've time and bisecting doesn't cost me much ;)
  • [16:49:42] <rcn-ee> aholler, which breakage are you tracking down on the beagle?
  • [16:50:21] <aholler> can't say as I don't know. but it doesn't boot from usb with all kind of wired errors
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  • [16:50:47] <rcn-ee> so ehci broken?
  • [16:51:12] <aholler> not really, that seemed to be fixed by the patch above
  • [16:51:33] <aholler> i think the clock-stuff is somewhat broken
  • [16:51:41] <mdp> "weird errors"?
  • [16:52:18] <rcn-ee> aholler, you have: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/stable-kernel/blob/v3.3.x/patches/beagle/0001-omap3_beagle-init-uart2-for-beagle-rev-AX-BX-only.patch
  • [16:52:34] <aholler> yeah, getty bails out, or not more than just "starting kernel" and such things
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  • [16:53:13] <jsabeaudry> Hmm, How can I set CONFIG_HZ=1000, it does not seem to be in the menuconfig
  • [16:53:15] <mdp> hrm, I wonder if Russ and panto also see that???they are working on 3.3 beagle stuffs
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  • [16:54:21] <aholler> rcn-ee: I have http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-omap/msg68227.html
  • [16:54:51] <aholler> that fixed booting from ehci
  • [16:55:26] <rcn-ee> humm, i ignored that patch, ehci works here with mine, must do the same thing in the end..
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  • [16:56:43] <rcn-ee> koen, really close.. src-uri.txt is getting the full path, but otherwise everything else now works.. gota run to a lunch/meeting, but will see if i can fix that too..
  • [16:56:55] <mdp> rcn-ee, there were a few iterations of the fix
  • [16:59:07] <panto> mdp, ?
  • [16:59:34] <panto> mdp, yes, I have this in to boot
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  • [16:59:42] <panto> I still don't like the way it's handled
  • [16:59:43] <mdp> panto, aholler was describing other breakages
  • [17:00:08] <mdp> panto, it is arguably better than fixing it for just one board
  • [17:00:45] <panto> hmm, I missed those breakages
  • [17:00:50] <panto> aholler, can you elaborate?
  • [17:01:11] * mdp goes back to bisecting other breakages
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  • [17:07:20] <aholler> panto: with 3.3 sometimes it doesn't boot at all. disabling resetting clocks helps (at least somewhat).
  • [17:07:48] <djlewis> gm
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  • [17:08:18] <panto> aholler, hmm, let me try to boot mine
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  • [17:23:20] <koen> | rasqal_internal.h:39:25: fatal error: git-version.h: No such file or directory
  • [17:23:23] <koen> I hate kde
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  • [17:25:47] <mdp> panto, first kindly make a port of linux to your beagle
  • [17:26:13] <koen> and show us exact steps
  • [17:26:18] <koen> then tell use the codes
  • [17:26:23] <mdp> z
  • [17:26:23] <koen> because we have doubts
  • [17:26:31] <mdp> s/doubts/doubt/
  • [17:27:55] <invresearch> doing some research in open source hardware (master, sigh)
  • [17:28:09] <invresearch> if i wanted to talk with someone at beagleboard about the project, who to contact?
  • [17:28:18] <panto> my beagle is at the vet
  • [17:28:31] <mdp> my beagles are bored
  • [17:28:43] <_av500_> invresearch: ask, dont ask to ask
  • [17:28:48] <invresearch> http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk254/9cleo/Puppies/sad-little-beagle.jpg
  • [17:28:53] <mdp> _av500_: link?
  • [17:29:01] <invresearch> sad beagle at the vet
  • [17:29:48] <invresearch> well, i guess my "problem" is that i assume that there is no real management for the project?
  • [17:30:02] <invresearch> or, looking at this page it seems that way at least
  • [17:30:10] <_av500_> ask, dont ask to ask
  • [17:30:12] <_av500_> just ask
  • [17:31:07] <invresearch> right now i am listing up which projects i want to look at, the questions are still being prepared
  • [17:31:15] <jkridner> I just got my GTA04 in the mail. Not sure what I'll do with it---but plan to put it on the WiFi network to start.
  • [17:32:15] <invresearch> here is a question for you: Who is the contact person for this project-
  • [17:32:41] <koen> jkridner: you already given up on the gsm part?
  • [17:32:49] <mdp> invresearch: from the web page, off of the "about" link: http://beagleboard.org/brief
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  • [17:33:22] <jkridner> I am not invested enough to put my only working SIM into it.
  • [17:33:31] <mdp> I cheated and didn't use google..I went to the url myself and clicked on the link
  • [17:33:40] <jkridner> I'll get it on the web, then decide if I want to actually use it as a phone and get a SIM for it.
  • [17:34:05] <jkridner> invresearch: I'm someone good to start with.
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  • [17:34:33] <invresearch> ok, i saw your name on that page, i will send you an email at a later time if that is ok
  • [17:34:38] <mdp> jkridner, coincidentally, your name is even at the bottom of the brief.
  • [17:34:53] <jkridner> wow, what a coincidence! ;-)
  • [17:35:36] <mdp> shocking, I'd say
  • [17:35:38] <jkridner> e-mail is indeed welcome at any time.
  • [17:35:53] <inv__> thank you very much
  • [17:36:06] <inv__> have a nice day, thanks for the help
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  • [17:36:14] <_av500_> now we are all curious
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  • [17:36:25] <_av500_> and only jkridner__ will get an email
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  • [17:36:30] <jkridner__> urgh.
  • [17:36:30] <jkridner__> not sure what is up with my network.
  • [17:36:34] <_av500_> HOW UNFAIR!
  • [17:36:44] <inv__> i will post my findings, if i not flunk ;)
  • [17:37:01] <jkridner__> invresearch: I do always prefer queries going to the discussion group (http://beagleboard.org/discuss).
  • [17:37:02] <_av500_> post all the codes NOW!
  • [17:37:08] <jkridner__> far more likely to get a complete answer there.
  • [17:37:10] * mdp gathers the shell casings for forensics
  • [17:37:16] <inv__> ok, will do
  • [17:37:22] <panto> aholler, root@beagleboard:~# uname -a
  • [17:37:22] <panto> Linux beagleboard 3.4.0-rc3-00019-gbece2fb #7 SMP Thu Apr 19 17:24:35 UTC 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux
  • [17:37:23] <koen> jkridner__: speaking of email, I forgot to copy you on the roadmap one
  • [17:37:29] <panto> seems to boot over here
  • [17:37:36] <koen> jkridner__: but most info is in the google doc I sent you
  • [17:37:50] <mdp> panto, did you mean to phrase that differently? "works for me!"
  • [17:37:51] <jkridner__> panto: nice.
  • [17:38:10] <jkridner__> hope it does more than just boot!
  • [17:38:17] <aholler> panto: 3.4 is too new for me
  • [17:38:35] <koen> "???????? ?????? ????????"
  • [17:38:41] <panto> jkridner__, it blinks lots of blinkenlights!
  • [17:38:44] <mdp> jkridner__, there's something beyond the boot?
  • [17:38:49] <aholler> I only care about kernels named stable
  • [17:39:07] <panto> aholler, there's no such thing ;) - but I get your point
  • [17:39:20] <panto> mdp, no I don't do that :)
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  • [17:39:44] <aholler> panto: "named"
  • [17:39:59] <aholler> s/named/called/
  • [17:40:00] <mdp> panto, nfsroot?
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  • [17:40:17] <panto> no, mmc
  • [17:40:34] <mdp> of course
  • [17:40:59] <panto> mdp, for some reason nfsroot doesn't work for me
  • [17:41:02] <aholler> and I boot from ehci ;)
  • [17:41:13] <panto> and I hasn't bothered fixing it yet
  • [17:41:31] <mdp> panto, it was a fail for me recently on xM w/ the uart pad fix applied
  • [17:41:47] <panto> mdp, the uart fix seems to be applied in mainline now
  • [17:41:50] <panto> but lemme check
  • [17:42:00] <aholler> not in 3.3.2
  • [17:42:16] <panto> yes, it is
  • [17:42:58] <panto> aholler, mdp, care to send me your kernel command lines & put your rootfses someplace?
  • [17:43:09] <mdp> this was prior to it being merged and is out of date info
  • [17:43:39] <panto> I see lots of scary messages on boot
  • [17:43:55] <aholler> panto: my rootfs is a gentoo full with stuff like kde and such ;)
  • [17:44:08] <mdp> panto, that's "normal"
  • [17:44:24] <panto> aholler, tell me you're not emerge'ing on the bbxm :P
  • [17:44:35] <aholler> no, I don't
  • [17:44:37] <panto> mdp, for a very weird definition of 'normal'
  • [17:44:44] <aholler> I'm doing it on a beagle c4 ;)
  • [17:44:48] <panto> lol
  • [17:45:01] <panto> is that part of your monk patience training? :)
  • [17:45:03] <mdp> panto, in omap-land it's welcomed to have broken clocks, failing hwmod messages etc???as long as they are known to be benign
  • [17:45:35] <aholler> panto: it helps the beagle not to sleep.
  • [17:45:58] <aholler> I'm usually don't look at it while it compiles ;)
  • [17:46:18] <panto> the poor mutt is going to be buffed from all that exercise :)
  • [17:46:40] <panto> mdp, you want to have a chat about that? :)
  • [17:47:15] <mdp> panto, no, rmk established the root cause
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  • [17:48:24] <mdp> aholler, define "boot from ehci" please
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  • [17:48:48] <djlewis> gee five with same time stamp
  • [17:49:30] <panto> mdp, nfsroot over gadget ethernet?
  • [17:49:47] <mdp> he said ehci
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  • [17:50:01] <panto> oh?
  • [17:50:05] <mdp> and C4
  • [17:50:15] <panto> the plot thickens
  • [17:50:46] <mdp> in my work "boot" is either loading any part of the MLO/u-boot/uImage chain
  • [17:50:47] <aholler> panto: my cmdline is console=tty1 console=ttyO2,115200n8 mpurate=720 musb_hdrc.fifo_mode=5 debug vram=1572864 omapfb.vram=0:1572864 omapfb.mode=dvi:1024x768-16@60 omapfb.debug=y omapdss.def_disp=dvi root=/dev/sda5 rw rootfstype=ext4 rootwait
  • [17:50:57] <aholler> and the config is http://ahsoftware.de/config.beagle.3.2+.txt
  • [17:51:19] <mdp> aholler, where do you load your uImage from?
  • [17:51:25] <aholler> ehci
  • [17:51:34] <mdp> mass storage in u-boot?
  • [17:51:39] <aholler> yes
  • [17:51:49] <mdp> ok, cool, thanks
  • [17:51:58] <mdp> MLO/u-boot from mmc?
  • [17:52:02] <mdp> or nand?
  • [17:52:10] <aholler> I think nand
  • [17:52:19] <aholler> but works both
  • [17:52:25] <aholler> have an sd there too
  • [17:52:28] <mdp> sure, just curious
  • [17:53:23] <mdp> and you aren't using musb at all , right?
  • [17:53:42] <aholler> no, I have a bt-dongle there for networking
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  • [17:54:16] <aholler> and keyboard/audio, if I want such
  • [17:54:26] <mdp> ok
  • [17:54:38] <aholler> but usally just for ssh
  • [17:54:59] <mdp> desktop replacement
  • [17:55:05] <aholler> playground
  • [17:55:22] <mdp> yeah, I guess it can't be a desktop without Unity :)
  • [17:55:30] <aholler> kde works
  • [17:55:36] <aholler> just a bit slow
  • [17:55:44] <aholler> but usable
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  • [17:56:51] <aholler> I even have some meego-stuff compiled there ;)
  • [17:56:57] <mdp> nooo!!!
  • [17:57:03] <aholler> too bad that died
  • [17:57:09] <mdp> ittthatshallnotbenamed
  • [17:57:22] <mdp> ok, so "sometimes it doesn't boot"
  • [17:57:23] <aholler> it got renamed ;)
  • [17:57:49] <prasant> Hi, from the beaglebone angstrom build, how do I get only the lib-dev files? I want to keep these dev files separately on which I can build my app development.
  • [17:57:52] <mdp> you load from usb msc device, it uncompressed and hang, no output, etc?
  • [17:58:00] <aholler> sometimes
  • [17:58:40] <mdp> but no output is the symptom???sometimes
  • [17:58:41] <aholler> with 3.3.2 I never got it to boot, with 3.3.0 other things happen
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  • [17:58:56] <aholler> but disabling restting clocks helps
  • [17:59:20] <mdp> resetting clocks..or resetting the hwmods?
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  • [17:59:44] <aholler> resetting unused clocks is it named, not sure
  • [17:59:56] <aholler> would have to look at menuconfig ;)
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  • [18:00:32] <mdp> ahh, that one, ok
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  • [18:01:29] <mdp> you may have simply perturbed a heisenbug
  • [18:02:08] <aholler> btw, emerge --sync over bt over musb kills musb ;)
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  • [18:03:32] <mdp> aholler, my Keurig heating up kills musb
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  • [18:05:45] <aholler> but that might be a bug in bluez too
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  • [18:06:12] <aholler> didn't found the reason, fifo=5 didn't help
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  • [18:07:08] <aholler> "We've added an entirely new system of Keurig?? Brewers and Packs called Vue???."
  • [18:08:16] <aholler> they need cookies, how awful ;)
  • [18:11:32] <prasant> Hi, from the beaglebone angstrom build, how do I get only the lib-dev files? I want to keep these dev files separately using which I can create my app development.
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  • [18:16:19] <mdp> aholler, you haven't lived until you've had the opportunity to hand tune (hack the driver) the fifo modes to make a device work at the expense of others.
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  • [18:19:42] <mdp> aholler, we use our own coffee in the keurig, their stuff is overpriced crap
  • [18:19:44] <_av500_> prasant: its the "sdk" part of the build
  • [18:20:51] <koen> only the -dev packages are useless
  • [18:21:04] <koen> since you'll need the actual libraries to link
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  • [18:22:03] <rcn-ee> koen, i think i got all the bugs worked out, just going to recreate your beagleboard-3.0 branch to verfiy it... Once that's done, i'll create a new git tree, any preference on the name?
  • [18:22:07] <_av500_> mdp: keurig cannot do espresso -> useless
  • [18:22:23] <koen> rcn-ee: tree or branch?
  • [18:22:33] <_av500_> rcn-ee: zendil
  • [18:22:35] <koen> rcn-ee: feel free to wipeout the current beagle/kernel tree
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  • [18:22:45] <mdp> _av500_: I do have to go out for my espresso
  • [18:23:01] <rcn-ee> tree.. https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel do you want to reuse "kernel" or something, else..
  • [18:23:04] <_av500_> get a nespresso and a spending account :)
  • [18:23:15] <koen> rcn-ee: kernel is ok for me
  • [18:23:20] <rcn-ee> okay will do..
  • [18:24:18] <prasant> koen: yes that as well. Basically I do not want to integrate my development environment with the Angstrom build but maintain a separate one. So is there a way to extract the relevant files from angstrom build.
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  • [18:25:31] <_av500_> what for?
  • [18:25:42] <_av500_> just point to the angstrom stuff
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  • [18:27:04] <prasant> _av500_: that separate build is easier to move across systems (in the team) rather than the entire angstrom build..
  • [18:27:21] <mdp> _av500_: we looked at those and decided it's not any cheaper than going out for it :)
  • [18:27:38] <_av500_> mdp: well, its 0.4??? per shot
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  • [18:27:50] <_av500_> and it tastes really good
  • [18:28:13] <mdp> yeah, I've heard good things
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  • [18:31:46] <aholler> I use powder to make my "wiener melange" ;)
  • [18:32:07] <_av500_> white powder like Mr. Wecker?
  • [18:32:45] <aholler> its brown, but that might just be some color
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  • [18:33:09] <_av500_> i stopped drinking coffee with milk after i drank a liter of milk in the end
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  • [18:35:06] <aholler> if I need coffein, I have penguins ;)
  • [18:36:13] <mdp> I wonder what the .us shipping cost is on a typical 50-100 capsule order from the club
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  • [18:37:47] <nemik> sorry this is more of a linux kernel question, but say i was writing some module to do interrupt handling on two GPIO pins. i want to gather data from the interrupts for 100ms or so after the first event and after the 100ms to dump it all to char device in /dev/.
  • [18:38:30] <nemik> to speed up interrupt handling, i'd rather not to all that checking and dumping in the IRQ handler, right? i imagine setting some flag to do it later but that would mean some kind of event loop in the kernel module. is such a thing common to do?
  • [18:39:06] <aholler> use a time
  • [18:39:08] <aholler> r
  • [18:39:22] <aholler> and let it start a thread
  • [18:39:46] <nemik> ah, and initialize it on the first event? ok thanks! i'll look into using timers
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  • [18:40:38] <nemik> btw, beaglebone can do kernel-level IRQ from GPIO pins, right?
  • [18:41:38] <aholler> yes, gpio-keys is an example
  • [18:42:04] <nemik> awesome. thank you very much aholler
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  • [18:45:09] <_av500_> mdp: I order 200 with free shipping :)
  • [18:45:46] <mdp> ok, anything free there has got to be better here :P
  • [18:46:20] <mdp> back when I first looked at them, I was surprised to find we had retail outlets here in "Real America"
  • [18:46:48] <mdp> I originally assumed you had to be in NYC, LA, or SF :)
  • [18:54:06] <pastjean_> can we enable the pullup resistor on the gpio pins user /sys fs
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  • [18:57:44] <mdp> thanks jkridner, apparently my eyes weren't working to locate that logo
  • [18:58:19] <jkridner__> nobody scrolls. :)
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  • [19:07:30] <_av500_> only the elders
  • [19:07:37] <aholler> example of a failed boot: http://fpaste.org/e1MD/
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  • [19:08:40] <aholler> sorry, more has come: http://fpaste.org/iWRK/
  • [19:09:14] <pastjean_> got a fast question : written up there :P with the beaglebone : can we enable the pullup resistor on the gpio pins
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  • [19:11:14] <jkridner> yes
  • [19:11:30] <pastjean_> using /sys?
  • [19:11:34] <jkridner> every pin has a pull up and pull down.
  • [19:11:55] <jkridner> well, it is available via debugfs right now, not sysfs.
  • [19:12:10] <pastjean_> ahh ok , i gotta learn debugfs too
  • [19:12:12] <pastjean_> thanks
  • [19:12:23] <jkridner> under /sys/kernel/debug ...
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  • [19:12:26] <jkridner> omapmux or something.
  • [19:12:49] <jkridner> it isn't obvious as the register values are shared a bit raw.
  • [19:12:52] <pastjean> ahhh thanks ! must be done on boot
  • [19:12:58] <pastjean> ?
  • [19:13:09] <jkridner> in the mode, some of the bits are there for pull-up/pull-down.
  • [19:13:53] <jkridner> the place I've put it into code is in bonescript/eeprom.js
  • [19:14:06] <jkridner> the fields in the EEPROM match the locations in the register.
  • [19:14:24] <pastjean> jkridner: ohh thanks! i now know one more place to look in
  • [19:14:43] <jkridner> of course, the TRM is your friend! :)
  • [19:14:55] <mdp> jkridner__, imagine, I looked through the logos you provide on the one page???and figured all the content was on that page :)
  • [19:15:00] <pastjean> TRM ?
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  • [19:16:36] <pastjean> damn me that did a cape yesterday with resistors for everything
  • [19:16:50] <jkridner> see http://beagleboard.org/bone and search for Technical Reference Manual
  • [19:16:56] <rcn-ee> koen, looks like i can't create the repo, any chance can you delete it and recreate it.. then i'll be able to push it..
  • [19:17:03] <jkridner> urgh....
  • [19:17:05] <jkridner> morons.
  • [19:17:08] <jkridner> freakin' morons.
  • [19:17:42] <pastjean> jkridner: thanks
  • [19:17:51] <mdp> jkridner: http://beagleboard.org/media#logos
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  • [19:18:08] <mdp> jkridner: in my defense
  • [19:18:31] <pastjean> jkridner: the link is broken XD but found it on ti site
  • [19:19:34] <smplman> where can i get the rubber cases?
  • [19:19:40] <mdp> aholler, turn off SUSPEND?
  • [19:20:53] <jkridner> thus my "morons" comment in regards to the broken link to the TRM.
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  • [19:21:03] <jkridner> I'll go update the /media page.
  • [19:22:22] <pastjean> jkridner: ahhh tought was about me but i was taking it well
  • [19:22:25] <mdp> ok, great, that will help the next person
  • [19:22:33] <aholler> new idea, connect the reset and user-button to some gpios of the ftdi and write some sw to reset/press button by remote-usb ;)
  • [19:22:35] <pastjean> http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/spruh73d/spruh73d.pdf
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  • [19:23:43] <aholler> mdp: is that a new requirement?
  • [19:25:34] <aholler> actually my hope is that there will be vanilla kernel sometime which I can boot when the beagle is powered by usb only ;)
  • [19:25:48] <aholler> and not .32 ;)
  • [19:25:54] <smplman> koen: where can i get this case? http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/4816086934/
  • [19:27:59] <aholler> koen builds them himself
  • [19:28:10] <smplman> with a cnc machine?
  • [19:28:37] <aholler> http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/4678613966/in/photostream/
  • [19:29:14] <smplman> ahh sweet
  • [19:29:49] <smplman> any details on the cnc machine? I would build one just to get that case
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  • [19:31:13] <mdp> aholler, something to try is all
  • [19:31:51] <aholler> smplman: it's a modified makerbot
  • [19:32:50] <Mojito> You can get BeagleBone cases from AdaFruit
  • [19:32:54] <aholler> at least he once had one, that thing on the photo above looks like something else
  • [19:33:22] <panto> aholler, sysv init or systemd?
  • [19:34:43] <aholler> that is openrc, but thats just one of the errors. as said, there are various boot errors.
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  • [19:36:47] <aholler> but I'll bisecting, just give me 2 days: Bisecting: 3194 revisions left to test after this (roughly 12 steps)
  • [19:37:28] <mdp> using ktest.pl? :)
  • [19:44:04] <aholler> no, I've just decided to stop bisecting. that uart-stuff makes it to cumbersome
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  • [19:47:02] <aholler> the needed patch doesn't apply to every commit git bisect chooses.
  • [19:47:17] <mdp> yeah, bisecting is tough on unstable stuff like omap
  • [19:47:45] <aholler> too many changes in the omap-tree between 3.2 and 3.3
  • [19:47:53] <panto> yeah
  • [19:48:14] <panto> ok, off to bed
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  • [19:53:21] <mranostay> mdp: steven paying you to pimp his tool? :)
  • [19:54:25] <mdp> just another huge perl fan
  • [19:55:19] <mranostay> mdp: you use perl?
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  • [19:59:37] <mdp> I must if I use ktest.pl, right?
  • [19:59:52] <mdp> srostedt made me blink
  • [20:00:03] <mdp> fell off the wagon
  • [20:01:22] <mranostay> mdp: i don't know you at all anymore :P
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  • [20:05:05] <mdp> mranostay, intervention in barcelona :)
  • [20:08:29] <mranostay> heh
  • [20:15:20] <XorA> where do I find the omap3->pmic mapping stuff for smart reflex?
  • [20:15:35] <XorA> in mainline kernels
  • [20:15:55] <aholler> git grep
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  • [20:16:14] <XorA> tried, but because I dont know what it looks like
  • [20:17:32] <aholler> git grep smartreflex.h
  • [20:17:36] <mranostay> mdp: isn't in on the wagon?
  • [20:17:47] * mranostay hopes mdp gets the reference
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  • [20:19:20] <XorA> aholler: I dont think you understand
  • [20:20:02] <XorA> aholler: there should be a mapping somewhere between the omap smartreflex IP block and the PMIC SMPS IP block, I know where it is in TI kernels but cant find it in kernel.org ones
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  • [20:21:10] <XorA> omap_twl.c, not the most obvious name :-(
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  • [20:42:24] <prpplague> mdp: http://elinux.org/Running_OpenOCD_on_Linux_with_the_Beagleboard
  • [20:42:38] <prpplague> mdp: might compare that with your notes
  • [20:43:54] <ds2> is there a follow up on using OpenOCD to trace the ROM on HS devices? ;)
  • [20:44:15] <prpplague> ds2: sure, i'll get that posted asap
  • [20:44:20] <ds2> :)
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  • [20:50:00] <thos37> when I try "opkg update" on a Craneboard, i get the following error: * Failed to download http://feeds.arago-project.org/feeds/live/ipk/armv5te/Packages.gz. any tips on what a better source repo might be?
  • [20:51:46] <denix> thos37: try angstrom feeds, arago no longer provides binary feeds due to legal issues
  • [20:53:51] <ds2> heh
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  • [20:55:52] <hiwa> any idea about how to read 2 byte of data from I2C of beagleboard, I am reading a sensors data which are in 2's complement? and I want to read them without any dely in between
  • [20:56:36] <jsabeaudry> hiwa, i2cget 3 0x78 0 w
  • [20:57:37] <hiwa> I know that, but the sensors data are in different register addresses, and I want to do it in C language
  • [20:59:04] <jsabeaudry> hiwa, I'm afraid I dont know how to read two registers from an i2c sensor without any delay
  • [20:59:09] <jsabeaudry> best of luck
  • [20:59:11] <ds2> write a proper kernel driver
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  • [20:59:21] <ds2> and make sure the sensor is sane
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  • [20:59:48] <ds2> most of them have hw interlocks to insure sanity but it requires the reads to be done in a specific way. check datasheet
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  • [21:02:03] <hiwa> I have a gyroscope sensor connected to beagleboard via i2c, the gyro values (high byte and low byte) should be read on time, otherwise the value will be wrong
  • [21:02:17] <jsabeaudry> Any idea how to troubleshoot a situation where you get high latency for 1 in 5000 to 1 in 500 interrupts? (I'm afraid this is normal and should move to a rtos if I can't live with that
  • [21:02:45] <hiwa> that is why I want to read them together
  • [21:03:27] <hiwa> <jsabeaudry> did you understand my point?
  • [21:04:17] <jsabeaudry> yup, see what ds2 said, I think it's your best bet
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  • [21:08:18] <ds2> which gyro?
  • [21:08:25] <hiwa> what is the proper way to read from any sensor through beagleboard i2c ??
  • [21:08:38] <ds2> the proper way is the Linux way
  • [21:08:50] <ds2> most gyro's have drivers already or are trivial to write a driver for
  • [21:08:53] <thos37> any idea which machine repo, if any, I should use for the craneboard from this selection: http://feeds.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/core/ipk/eglibc/armv7a/machine/ ? craneboard? am3517_evm?
  • [21:08:56] <hiwa> <ds2>MPU6050
  • [21:09:22] <ds2> strictly speaking that is not a plain old gyro
  • [21:09:31] <hiwa> yes
  • [21:09:34] <ds2> why are you not using the official sw?
  • [21:09:38] <hiwa> that is the problem
  • [21:10:04] <hiwa> it is not only a gyro
  • [21:10:22] <ds2> you need more then just i2c access to make that part work as a gyro w/o the official sw
  • [21:10:40] <ds2> avoid that part if you are just looking for gyro and want to not go bald
  • [21:10:42] <f00bard> all this talk about gyros is making me hungry
  • [21:11:34] <hiwa> I am doing master thesis, and I can't simply give it up
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  • [21:11:40] <ds2> there are lots of gyros around
  • [21:12:01] <hiwa> but we need that IMU
  • [21:12:15] <ds2> since you are in academia... please define what is an IMU
  • [21:12:43] <hiwa> sorry , that is Inertial Measurement Unit
  • [21:12:56] <smplman> i googled faster than that
  • [21:12:59] <ds2> no. not what the letters stand for... what are YOU considering an IMU
  • [21:13:20] <ds2> cuz saying you need an IMU and insisting you need the MPU6050 seems a bit absurd
  • [21:13:28] <ds2> now if you are working for the guys that make it...
  • [21:13:52] <hiwa> no, I am not
  • [21:14:07] <hiwa> I am working on north finding system
  • [21:14:12] <ds2> then define what makes an IMU an IMU
  • [21:15:44] <hiwa> could you please tell how to read the register values in a correct way and on time
  • [21:15:58] <ds2> w/o the magic sauce that won't help
  • [21:15:59] <hiwa> which function to use?
  • [21:18:22] <hiwa> <ds2> I have 4 of them each 2 on i2c of beagleboard
  • [21:18:47] <hiwa> since I can have 2 addresses for each sensor
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  • [21:21:22] <W1N9Zr0> hiwa - read about linux iio, it has several gyro/accelerometer/imu drivers, you can look at how they work
  • [21:21:40] <hiwa> what is iio?
  • [21:21:44] <W1N9Zr0> google it
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  • [21:22:38] <thos37> I've added some angstrom repos to the craneboard, and used the beagleboard machine repo, but when I try to install avahi-daemon, I get an error that one of the packages is not a compatible architecture ... http://pastebin.com/bW4i01wi which begs the question what IS the architecture of the craneboard or how do I find out? uname -a : Linux am3517-crane 2.6.32 #13 Thu Mar 15 21:18:03 IST 2012 armv7l unknown
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  • [21:26:42] <djlewis> hiwa: this might help: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard_Trainer_Nunchuk
  • [21:27:04] <thurbad> thos, from wha tyou postedI would guess you need arm7l, not arm7a
  • [21:30:08] <hiwa> <djlewis> I already read this page before.. I have a diffrent case
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  • [21:31:13] <hiwa> <djlewis> but my question is how to read data from beagleboard i2c ? which function to use in C???
  • [21:32:49] <mru> the craneboard has an AM3517 chip
  • [21:33:06] <mru> as far as the cpu goes, it's the same as the beagle
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  • [22:31:34] <prpplague> koen: https://github.com/prpplague/fb-test-app
  • [22:31:40] <prpplague> koen: new and improved
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  • [22:35:28] <nemik> so when i want to use gpio1_16 i need to export it as 48 because that's the hex number, right? so if i was trying to access that GPIO from a kernel module, would it also be 48 there?
  • [22:40:11] <borillion> prpplague, help lol
  • [22:41:25] <mru> prpplague: how can something be both new and improved
  • [22:43:19] <borillion> mru can't you have a v2 but it not be better than the first :P ?
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  • [22:52:33] <mru> new means it's something that didn't exist before
  • [22:52:50] <mru> improve is something you do to existing things
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  • [22:54:31] <cwillu> mru, it combines new and improved things?
  • [22:54:44] <cwillu> perhaps it was new, and then it was improved before they told anyone about the new
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