• [00:00:35] <thurbad> can it still be RMA'd?
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  • [00:02:44] <ATP> what is RMA? :P
  • [00:03:24] <thurbad> basically returned as DOA for an exchange or credit
  • [00:04:39] <ATP> oh :/
  • [00:04:50] <ATP> kk i will check
  • [00:04:57] <ATP> thanks for help guys
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  • [00:09:52] <ATP> oh i forgot important thing
  • [00:10:11] <ATP> i am still waiting for the 1.27mm headers so I connected the pcb as it is
  • [00:10:39] <ATP> do you think that might be causing the problem? It gets power so I think not
  • [00:13:39] <ATP> i mean headers for J4 and J5
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  • [00:17:05] <ATP> Russ and thurbad, maybe you guys know ;)
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  • [01:05:06] <ATP> thurbad maybe i know my problem now
  • [01:05:22] <thurbad> oh?
  • [01:05:40] <ATP> i dont have yet the J4 and J5 headers (1.27mm) and connect the pcb that powers the touchscreen directly
  • [01:05:51] <ATP> maybe it doesn't get powered properly
  • [01:06:28] <ATP> i will wait for the expansion headers and try again :)
  • [01:20:29] <OrlandoT> I am trying to buy the beaglebone from Digikey. How do I find out which Rev of the board they are selling?
  • [01:20:35] <OrlandoT> I am trying to buy the beaglebone from Digikey. How do I find out which Rev of the board they are selling?
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  • [01:29:57] <thurbad> wait for it to arrive :/
  • [01:31:13] <thurbad> chances are good that they're sold out of the older revs, but short of contacting them by phone and getting a response I don't know how to find out for certain
  • [01:36:53] <OrlandoT> i see, i thought the same but wanted to ask just in case
  • [01:37:05] <OrlandoT> there are other vendors that do specify the rev number
  • [01:37:09] <OrlandoT> but they are sold out
  • [01:37:17] <OrlandoT> I hate having to call lol
  • [01:38:56] <thurbad> the fact that they sell out frequently means that they often have the newest revs only in stock unless a new rev has been released very recently
  • [01:39:37] <OrlandoT> true I'll just take the risk and buy it
  • [01:39:56] <thurbad> in which case they may not even have the newer rev
  • [01:39:57] <OrlandoT> I'll mod it if I have to
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  • [01:42:01] <koen> OrlandoT: I suspect rev A5, since we recalled the A4 stock from distributors
  • [01:42:37] <thurbad> eep, I haven't been following the bone.. what happened?
  • [01:42:50] <koen> resistor R219
  • [01:43:18] <koen> A5 has it removed, A6 has the proper fix for the 100Mbit light
  • [01:43:31] <koen> so A5 is A3 with newer software on the card
  • [01:43:55] <thurbad> ah
  • [01:44:29] <mru> koen: so I can just relabel my A3?
  • [01:44:41] <thurbad> lol, save on shipping
  • [01:44:44] <koen> mru: pretty much
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  • [01:46:44] <OrlandoT> oops digikey is sold out
  • [01:46:48] <thurbad> man why do utility companies have to have such badly designed payment interfaces
  • [01:46:55] <tlab> will the 3.2.6 kernel install with opkg?
  • [01:48:03] <thurbad> my utility company actually disabled the paste feature inn one a couple of fields that contain long numbers
  • [01:48:39] <OrlandoT> mouser has 309 of them wow
  • [01:48:54] <thurbad> and I am a bit dyslexic,so it's a royal pain in the rear
  • [01:49:44] <mru> thurbad: can't you disable disabling of pasting in the browser?
  • [01:50:32] <thurbad> probably, if I disable javascript... not sure if the page will even function properly if I do that
  • [01:52:00] <jay6981> thurbad: why would they do that? "security?"
  • [01:52:50] <thurbad> probably, though I can't see a benefit to security, disabling coping, sure... pasting, not so much
  • [01:53:04] <thurbad> *copying
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  • [02:08:04] <koen> Crofton|work: http://twitter.com/#!/1990sLinuxUser
  • [02:08:28] <koen> I suspect av500 is behind it "You can already build Dropbox yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS."
  • [02:10:33] <Crofton|work> stupid ps3 wants to update again
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  • [03:21:53] <cogman> Are there any special steps needed to get python and opencv working together? I've already installed the python-opencv opkg, but it fails to pull anything from my webcam device.
  • [03:22:15] <cogman> (I'm using Angstrom-Cloud9 with the beaglebone)
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  • [04:01:20] <ds2> the am3517 is indeed a bastard
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  • [04:24:14] <koen> darn, mru is everywhere I turn: http://llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=11855
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  • [05:15:36] <multiplex> hello, is it possible to check what kernel build option enable, in angstrom
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  • [05:26:46] <mranostay> multiplex: you mean what the kernel was built with?
  • [05:27:10] <mranostay> zcat /proc/config.gz | grep YOUR_OPTION_HERE
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  • [05:28:25] <multiplex> yes, thanks
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  • [05:31:58] <multiplex> it was for CONFIG_HOTPLUG=y
  • [05:49:52] <multiplex> my exotic usb device don't load cdc_acm
  • [05:50:04] <multiplex> usb 1-1.1: no configuration chosen from 0 choices
  • [05:50:58] <multiplex> i tried to force with echo 04d8 000a > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/cdc_acm/new_id
  • [05:51:15] <multiplex> but that don't work
  • [05:53:06] <multiplex> however my avr programmer load with no problem cdc_acm driver
  • [05:54:23] <multiplex> cdc_acm is static in default angstrom ?
  • [05:55:57] <multiplex> may be echo VID PID >new_id don't work with static module ?
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  • [06:24:24] <hitlin37> your usb device is connected through some usb chip...like ulpi?if that's the case,you have to first enable your ulpi driver ,than cdc_acm will detect it.
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  • [06:27:30] <tasslehoffwrk> does http://pastebin.com/gp7eC9X1 seem like something linux would say if overcurrent protection is triggered on ehci?
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  • [06:42:06] <Russ> tus
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  • [06:46:45] <multiplex> hitlin37: it's was an usb hub. but without hub i have the same probleme
  • [06:46:54] <multiplex> [ 7877.848683] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=04d8, idProduct=000a
  • [06:47:03] <multiplex> [ 7877.848700] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0
  • [06:47:10] <multiplex> [ 7877.849173] usb 1-1: no configuration chosen from 0 choices
  • [06:47:28] <Russ> its tables are screwy methinks
  • [06:47:59] <Russ> if that is true, you'd need quirks
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  • [06:56:18] <multiplex> someone tried arch linux arm ?
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  • [06:58:22] <hitlin37> tasslehoffwrk: you can disable overcurrent protection from /sys/bus/usb/ur_device
  • [07:10:52] <tasslehoffwrk> hitlin37: thanks. thought maybe I'd turn on ignore_oc in ehci-hcd.c if needed. just need to find out if that's the problem
  • [07:11:34] <tasslehoffwrk> I've also gotten "EMI?" and "bad cable?" messages, so apparently all is not well...
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  • [07:49:26] <tasslehoffwrk> hitlin37: where is that overcurrent setting? can't find it.
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  • [07:56:04] <tasslehoffwrk> bMaxPower, perhaps
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  • [07:56:57] <hitlin37> echo 1 > /sys/bus/usb/devices/2-1.1/bConfigurationValue
  • [07:56:59] <hitlin37> where '2-1.1' can be dynamic.see ur device
  • [07:58:09] <hitlin37> this helps in case of "no configuration-due-to-insufficient-available-bus-power"
  • [07:58:55] <hitlin37> but that's oc protection.
  • [08:00:00] <hitlin37> if protection is on,you won't get any bus power.
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  • [08:51:03] <av500> the goggles, they do nothing: http://design.ubuntu.com/assets/pictograms
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  • [08:57:40] <dm8tbr> WTF?!
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  • [09:19:45] <TheAlphaNerd> anyone doing the saas-class
  • [09:19:47] <TheAlphaNerd> ?
  • [09:20:02] <av500> the what class?
  • [09:20:20] <TheAlphaNerd> https://www.coursera.org/saas/
  • [09:20:26] <TheAlphaNerd> free course on software as a service
  • [09:20:30] <TheAlphaNerd> from stanford and berkley
  • [09:20:49] * av500 tries to parse the title slowly
  • [09:21:48] <TheAlphaNerd> lolol
  • [09:22:36] <aholler_> just look at the picture, it contains every needed buzz word
  • [09:22:55] <LetoThe2nd> if you like saas, you are not an embedded developer
  • [09:22:59] <av500> its ruby on rails tutorial?
  • [09:23:04] <av500> a
  • [09:23:40] <aholler_> agile, highly productiv, long-lasting and cloud. all you ever wished ;)
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  • [09:24:25] <av500> _roger_: !
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  • [09:28:17] <kblin> LetoThe2nd: why not? you could possibly use an arm-based blade setup to host a saas cloud :)
  • [09:28:43] <kblin> or maybe build a really tiny cloud on beagles :)
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  • [09:30:06] <LetoThe2nd> kblin: nvm.
  • [09:30:24] <LetoThe2nd> aholler_: don't forget chili clouds.
  • [09:31:17] <av500> kblin: a tiny cloud is called a raindrop?
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  • [09:34:42] <kblin> av500: let's make that a new buzzword
  • [09:35:11] <kblin> raindrop computing as more of a ring to it than "embedded cloud computing"
  • [09:35:17] <kblin> I've tried the latter before
  • [09:35:39] <av500> embedding the cloud in the same device that will access it
  • [09:35:58] * av500 has a mixed cloud of binaries in /usr/bin
  • [09:36:33] <kblin> I wonder if booting from NFS is considered saas
  • [09:36:56] <woglinde_> we have snow clouds
  • [09:37:00] <woglinde_> much better
  • [09:37:21] * LetoThe2nd goes hunt caffeeine clouds.
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  • [09:37:38] <av500> LetoThe2nd: coffee maker exploded?
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  • [09:38:19] <LetoThe2nd> av500: big badaboom...
  • [09:40:08] <woglinde_> lol
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  • [10:17:26] <bonebone> hi
  • [10:19:28] <bonebone> anyone can tell me where the init file is located in angstrom? i can see that i'm running in runlevel 1 but don't know how to change it
  • [10:19:46] <woglinde> systemd baby
  • [10:20:02] <woglinde> get familiar with it
  • [10:20:02] <bonebone> ahm, i'm used to /etc/inittab
  • [10:20:12] <woglinde> its the future now
  • [10:20:14] <bonebone> i must upgrade
  • [10:20:29] <bonebone> thx woglinde
  • [10:20:39] <woglinde> and we dont support more runlevels anyway
  • [10:20:52] <woglinde> look at the system-v infrastrcuture
  • [10:21:13] <bonebone> yes, i've seen that the rc- structure is there
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  • [10:21:45] <woglinde> hm or do we
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  • [10:21:48] <woglinde> hm hm
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  • [10:33:32] <bonebone> woglinde: for a fast hack, can i remove and add links in /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants or do i have to use a helper program such as update-xxxx ?
  • [10:34:56] <woglinde> no remove is fine
  • [10:36:41] <bonebone> ok, and if i add a conf file for a program of mine there is automagically called? or do i have to register it elsewhere
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  • [10:36:58] <koen> bonebone: use systemctl
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  • [10:37:19] <koen> bonebone: and google, systemd has awesome docs
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  • [10:38:24] <bonebone> thx koen
  • [10:39:17] <av500> koen: rcsystemctl start?
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  • [10:42:14] <ant_work> koen: don't escape from ad interim maintainance, it's your bread until is in meta-openembedded ;)
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  • [10:55:41] <av500> koen: "Ignorance is bliss: users only seem to object to +cancer after being told it is in their body system. No complaints if you don't tell them, just mild confusion about the missing /bowel/movement"
  • [10:56:15] <koen> heh
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  • [10:56:59] <koen> I've been to california, according to the signs I should be dead already
  • [10:57:13] <av500> bodyctl stop
  • [10:57:31] <LetoThe2nd> koen: does that mean zombie invasion at nuremberg next week?
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  • [10:58:32] <av500> LetoThe2nd: we should decontaminate him on the spot
  • [10:58:45] <LetoThe2nd> s/decontaminate/desintegrate/?
  • [10:58:57] <koen> LetoThe2nd: yep
  • [10:59:04] <av500> denigrate!
  • [10:59:05] * koen still needs to book that munich flight
  • [10:59:24] <av500> go by car and stop by
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  • [11:01:10] <LetoThe2nd> stop by car and go by?
  • [11:01:22] <woglinde> drive by and shoot
  • [11:01:51] <LetoThe2nd> woglinde: thats texas, not endstation darmstadt.
  • [11:02:18] <koen> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/PSP_Linux_Development_FAQ#Contributing_to_Linux_PSP
  • [11:02:22] <koen> OMFG
  • [11:02:24] <av500> right, over here it's forbidden
  • [11:02:29] <koen> Submit a request for acceptance - via e2e. Attach your patch OR point to a public tree where the patch is available
  • [11:02:39] <koen> a *forum* post is needed?!?!?!
  • [11:02:45] <av500> of course
  • [11:02:50] <av500> its to know if you are not a bot
  • [11:02:51] <LetoThe2nd> hehehe
  • [11:03:12] <woglinde> ieehks its an old flow diagramm
  • [11:03:14] <av500> koen: you misread
  • [11:03:20] <woglinde> not a new activity
  • [11:03:35] <av500> its only needed to post on e2e if "there is critical need to apply the patch on current integration branch"
  • [11:03:37] <LetoThe2nd> and forget admittance form A38
  • [11:03:50] <LetoThe2nd> +don't
  • [11:03:57] <av500> thrice
  • [11:04:56] <LetoThe2nd> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIiUR2gV0xk
  • [11:06:06] * koen sends email congratulating them on the awesome april fools wiki page
  • [11:06:27] <woglinde> india has no first april?
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  • [11:12:23] <hitlin37> This is the first line everywhere"UBIFS may be considered as the next generation of the JFFS2 file-system. "...when looking for ubi related errors/bugs
  • [11:12:42] <hitlin37> :)
  • [11:13:29] <av500> so its bug free
  • [11:14:48] <koen> heh, apparently the forum post requirement isn't a joke
  • [11:14:49] <av500> koen: you are getting surrounded: http://www.josetteorama.com/user-groups/the-birth-of-the-dutch-android-user-group/
  • [11:16:21] <koen> trolling android is too easy
  • [11:17:12] <koen> at ELC someone started a conversation with "what do all android using manufacturers having in common?"
  • [11:17:25] <koen> I replied with "violating the GPL"
  • [11:17:39] <koen> apparently the correct answer was "gerrit"
  • [11:17:56] <koen> s/having/have/
  • [11:18:27] <av500> gerrit is wrong, we dont use it
  • [11:18:37] <av500> i mean wrong answer to that question
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  • [11:19:38] <koen> av500: go tell linaro
  • [11:19:48] <woglinde> lol
  • [11:19:53] <woglinde> all have gerrit
  • [11:19:54] <woglinde> lol
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  • [11:29:05] <aholler_> gerrit?
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  • [11:30:02] <koen> aholler: google review hindrance^H^H^H^H^H tool
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  • [11:30:14] <koen> or a common dutch first name
  • [11:30:55] <aholler> anyway av500 is right, that dutchman didn't understand what a user group is ;)
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  • [11:45:46] <aholler> hmm, is gerrit usable?
  • [11:46:20] <woglinde> aholler yes
  • [11:46:36] <woglinde> better than email review
  • [11:46:46] <aholler> oh, i see something like eclipse setup ...
  • [11:47:07] <aholler> ok, unusable ;)
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  • [11:48:38] <koen> most of the gerrit annoyance stems from 'upstream' not really using it
  • [11:48:45] <koen> so all patches just bitrot
  • [11:49:05] <koen> but I guess that would be no better with other systems
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  • [11:51:09] <koen> I'm quite fond of ml + patchwork myself
  • [11:51:32] <ynezz> but you're crazy
  • [11:51:49] <ynezz> it's not enterprise grade workflow
  • [11:52:16] <ynezz> you should add more obfuscation layers in between
  • [11:53:03] <koen> yeah
  • [11:53:11] * koen opens a forum where people can post patches
  • [11:53:26] <av500> koen: make sure the forum has like 200 topics
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  • [11:53:33] <av500> so that patches really get lost
  • [11:53:34] <ynezz> but well patchwork does have web interface, so you can add some bonus points
  • [11:56:03] <ynezz> but on the forum I could build my carma and could change avatars weekly!
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  • [11:59:13] <av500> koen: also, you dont post patches on forums, you post zip files on rapidshare
  • [11:59:27] <av500> which you link to on forums behind Captchas
  • [11:59:39] <aholler> and call it rom
  • [11:59:48] <av500> that too
  • [11:59:51] <koen> av500: http://twitter.com/#!/1990sLinuxUser/status/163950167995842560
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  • [12:00:25] <av500> yes
  • [12:00:33] <av500> but there is no CVS on iOS
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  • [12:00:52] <aholler> use rcs
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  • [12:06:09] <koen> "just to accept bug fixes"
  • [12:06:49] <koen> one less thing to worry about
  • [12:09:57] <koen> http://www.business-und-service.de/
  • [12:10:06] <koen> that logo is unfortunate for english customers
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  • [12:19:09] <ynezz> what's wrong with brown sugar?
  • [12:20:16] <koen> samething as with point of sale systems
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  • [14:11:08] <SilicaGel> i bought a license for cadsoft eagle. Man. I'm so happy with it.
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  • [14:27:36] <mdp> koen, POS :)
  • [14:28:19] <koen> mdp: exactly!
  • [14:28:24] <ant_work> koen: imagine years ago we had to market in UK a brand named 'PAF'
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  • [14:29:15] <LetoThe2nd> the number plate code for my community is als "PAF"...
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  • [14:29:42] <ant_work> sounds sinisterly like PUF
  • [14:30:13] <mdp> koen, why oh why must people cc me on that stuff???I am guilty by CC association :P
  • [14:30:14] <LetoThe2nd> well better than AIC
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  • [14:47:12] <multiplex> do you know kicad free cadsoft. i like it
  • [14:52:16] <SilicaGel> yeah i was told about kicad
  • [14:52:19] <SilicaGel> i tried it
  • [14:52:30] <SilicaGel> it's a little too quirky for me righ tnow, maybe in a couple years
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  • [15:23:57] <bla_> Hey. On the beaglebone, is cat'ing /sys/devices/platform/tsc/ainX the "normal" way to get an a/d value ? Is it possible to start the D/A conv and then keep polling some flag until it is ready ?
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  • [15:46:32] <koen> jkridner___: bonescript question for you on the ml
  • [15:46:40] <jkridner___> k
  • [15:47:14] <koen> "github pull request" is likely the correct, but terse answer
  • [15:47:38] <koen> jkridner___: and can you give team beagle permission to create repos on the beagle github account?
  • [15:47:54] <jkridner___> k
  • [15:50:53] <mdp> is that from ken?
  • [15:51:18] <koen> mdp: the one and only kk
  • [15:51:23] <koen> mdp: well, besides me
  • [15:52:07] * kkeller kkeller is here too :)
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  • [15:53:31] <mdp> kkeller: I started down the inquisition path about bonescript versus the nokia kernel fb drivers on G+
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  • [15:54:41] * av500 tries to make sense of that
  • [15:54:45] <kkeller> I'll post my nokia 5110 bonescript later today??? you want a non-clean but working .js file?
  • [15:54:53] <kkeller> I'll send private if you want
  • [15:55:29] <mdp> av500, you have to know the sekrit handshake first to parse that
  • [15:55:40] <av500> "ken sent me"
  • [15:55:56] <mdp> crap
  • [15:56:29] * mdp resets all his passphrases
  • [15:57:19] * jkridner___ isn't finding the button to add repository creation abilities.
  • [15:57:34] * koen reads up on libmount
  • [15:58:08] <jkridner___> does it mean giving 'administrative' rights?
  • [15:58:12] * av500 writes a kernel driver today
  • [15:58:15] <koen> I think so
  • [15:58:32] <mdp> av500, I hear there's a book for that
  • [15:58:36] <jkridner___> k, done.
  • [15:58:36] <av500> on my desk
  • [15:58:40] <av500> the german version
  • [15:58:51] <koen> jkridner___: https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/meta-ti/commit/d04a83f7ee7d4a5f51aebc97f444b1f0c19fb0a0
  • [15:59:03] <koen> only 2 minutes left in my working day
  • [15:59:10] <koen> sweet only 1
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  • [15:59:27] <mdp> av500, everything should be a misc device
  • [16:00:11] <koen> \o/
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  • [16:01:08] <mdp> koen, now you can play
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  • [16:05:30] <av500> mdp: how do you increase INFTY?
  • [16:05:51] <mdp> foiled again
  • [16:06:08] <mdp> it was only a month ago I change that field to a u64
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  • [16:08:01] <mdp> so kkeller, did you basically port the arduino sketch stuff for that demo you showed... on top of your bonescript mods?
  • [16:09:16] <mdp> seems like that will make it real nice for people to quick try stuff out
  • [16:09:17] <kkeller> mostly??? some of it was original.
  • [16:09:41] <mdp> like the beagle? :)
  • [16:09:57] <kkeller> With that display being $10 from adafruit it make things real convenient
  • [16:10:45] <mdp> yeah
  • [16:10:46] <jwinnebeck> koen: jkridner___: you must have read our minds?
  • [16:10:54] <jwinnebeck> I just made a similar change here to get PRU working
  • [16:11:07] <jwinnebeck> well SilicaGel and I are working on PRU
  • [16:12:02] <jwinnebeck> except that I don't know what UIO_PDRV is...
  • [16:13:06] <jwinnebeck> hmm so far we aren't using those, I wonder if we need them
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  • [16:14:38] <koen> jwinnebeck: it's the userspace IO driver for PRU
  • [16:14:51] <jwinnebeck> Yeah we are playing right now with uio_pruss
  • [16:14:52] <koen> jwinnebeck: so no need to touch the kernel for the drivers you want to implement
  • [16:14:58] <jwinnebeck> Yep
  • [16:15:10] <jwinnebeck> SilicaGel was reviewing the code to see what it did
  • [16:15:19] <jwinnebeck> and trying to play by hand
  • [16:15:29] <jwinnebeck> So I should probably unpatch my kernel now :)
  • [16:15:49] <jwinnebeck> I just built it with uio as module. But you enabled PDRV and PDRV_GENIRQ, do we need those?
  • [16:16:00] <jwinnebeck> I see just pruss is a module, the other 3 compiled in
  • [16:16:50] <jwinnebeck> We have only tried mmap so far, not read for irqs, but I didn't get any suspicion that irqs wouldn't work yet... or "events" actually
  • [16:17:26] <jwinnebeck> apparently whatever driver is there now leaves the PRUs in some kind of reset state
  • [16:17:41] <jwinnebeck> some differences as compared to TI SDK kernel
  • [16:18:06] <mdp> kkeller, I've got that st7565 one, http://www.adafruit.com/products/438. Just started looking at consolidating that and my st7586 work together
  • [16:18:55] <kkeller> your work is harder??? Linux driver == work : javascript != work :)
  • [16:19:12] <mdp> kkeller, javascript == work for me :P
  • [16:19:56] * koen is debating if it's beer o'clock already
  • [16:20:07] <koen> I need to find a way to stop laughing
  • [16:20:14] <av500> pray tell
  • [16:20:20] <mdp> I think I'm moving to xM with some level shifting so I can use a mainline kernel, I don't like having this stuff moulder around in the am335x forks
  • [16:20:30] <av500> mdp: :)
  • [16:21:54] <LetoThe2nd> koen: kein bier vor vier!
  • [16:22:24] <av500> in short: vier bier!
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  • [16:34:53] <sakoman__> koen: is anyone working on upstream u-boot and kernel support for beaglebone?
  • [16:35:11] <koen> u-boot -> mdp
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  • [16:35:18] <koen> kernel upstream -> vaibhav H
  • [16:35:47] <av500> mlo -> ?
  • [16:36:02] <koen> mlo is in uboot nowadays
  • [16:36:08] <sakoman__> koen: thanks
  • [16:36:42] <koen> s/mdp/tartarus/
  • [16:36:53] * Tartarus runs
  • [16:37:28] <Tartarus> sakoman__: Very basics are in (uart, mmc)
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  • [16:42:06] <av500> koen: does usb work at all one bone?
  • [16:42:50] <koen> av500: depends on who you ask
  • [16:43:02] <koen> I lean towards "not really"
  • [16:43:35] <SilicaGel> koen: what is CONFIG_UIO_PDRV ?
  • [16:43:49] <SilicaGel> Platform Driver? is that PRUSS specific?
  • [16:43:52] <koen> SilicaGel: I have no idea, it looked important
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  • [16:44:01] <SilicaGel> haha
  • [16:44:08] <SilicaGel> but this is your commit isn't it?
  • [16:44:11] <koen> av500: but some might say its "production quality"
  • [16:44:31] <koen> SilicaGel: yes, but not everything I do is well thought out
  • [16:44:44] <SilicaGel> Then you and I will be good friends
  • [16:44:49] <SilicaGel> Barely a nything I do is well thought out!
  • [16:44:51] <koen> :)
  • [16:45:07] * av500 is already friends with koen, guess why
  • [16:45:14] <SilicaGel> So you wrote a patch that just allows this thing to be buitl as default
  • [16:45:18] <SilicaGel> that's good
  • [16:45:33] <SilicaGel> I'm at a loss right now though to figure out with the current uio_pruss how the hell the PRUSS ever gets taken out of reset
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  • [16:45:52] <SilicaGel> beacuse with 3.2 it appears, to me, that it is **NOT** taken out of reset.
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  • [16:47:10] <koen> well, I suspect the pru stuff isn't 100% finished in that 3.2 kernel
  • [16:47:16] <SilicaGel> you know what though?
  • [16:47:19] <SilicaGel> it's pretty damned close!
  • [16:47:55] <jwinnebeck> I've tried to figure out where the kernel source comes from by tracing all of the .bb files through their includes, but still BB is more magic than substance to me yet...
  • [16:48:23] <jwinnebeck> it doesn't help that I'm a git noob and I've not yet found an equivalent to "svn info" for git
  • [16:48:41] <jwinnebeck> since I did the fetch and I have the source code on my disk
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  • [16:50:23] <koen> jwinnebeck: git remote show ?
  • [16:50:48] <jwinnebeck> that just tells me the branch I'm on ?
  • [16:50:59] <aholler> git status / git describe
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  • [16:51:32] <jwinnebeck> I did try git status it doesn't tell you it just says what your chagnes are
  • [16:51:58] <jwinnebeck> oh well
  • [16:53:11] <aholler> ?
  • [16:53:43] <SilicaGel> koen
  • [16:53:47] <SilicaGel> i figured out what they are
  • [16:54:02] <SilicaGel> koen I really suggest you set CONFIG_UIO_PDRV and CONFIG_UIO_PDRV_GENIRQ to m
  • [16:54:06] <jwinnebeck> well git describe gives me a fatal error, I man'd it and tried git describe -all and it just gives me the branch again
  • [16:54:14] <jwinnebeck> I was expecting something to give me a URL
  • [16:54:23] <av500> git config -l
  • [16:54:36] <SilicaGel> It's not the memory utilization, but I'd rather then not even register as UIO devices unless the end user really WANTS them to be there. So I'd treat them just like you are treating UIO_PRUSS: make them modules, user inserts them if they wish, otherwise they aren't there.
  • [16:54:38] <SilicaGel> koen: fair?
  • [16:54:41] <jwinnebeck> ok thanks that gets me what I want
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  • [16:55:15] <jwinnebeck> thanks av500
  • [16:55:22] <aholler> maybe you meant git remote -v
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  • [16:55:50] <jwinnebeck> Yes that is a better/more concise form although git config -l has the same info although more verbose
  • [16:56:05] <av500> less .git/config :)
  • [16:56:27] <jwinnebeck> Actually I was poking around in .git to see if I could hack it when you told me that
  • [16:57:32] <jwinnebeck> I really need to just sit down and do a whole git tutorial
  • [16:57:41] <jwinnebeck> esp if we need to make mods soon, hopefully not
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  • [16:57:46] <koen> SilicaGel: sounds fair, I'll change it tomorrow
  • [16:57:57] <aholler> jwinnebeck: but you are never on any remote branch, that just shows which remote branches are known
  • [16:57:58] <SilicaGel> How will you remember? :)
  • [16:58:37] <jwinnebeck> aholler: but doesn't git fetch changes from the remote branch? If I understand git properly, my "checkout" is actually a git repository, and it's "mirroring" the remote?
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  • [16:58:49] <aholler> jwinnebeck: just use gitk --all ;)
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  • [16:59:02] <jwinnebeck> no gitk I'm on headless system :)
  • [16:59:20] <jwinnebeck> So in other words that git url in the remote -v fetch is where I"m downloading changesets from
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  • [17:01:16] <av500> jwinnebeck: yes
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  • [17:02:42] <aholler> I'm usually using git remote update, that fetches from all remotes
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  • [17:05:57] <SilicaGel> How does the DDR ram hook to L3? Is there some module that does that?
  • [17:06:25] <mdp> koen, *whew*, thanks for fixing that typo
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  • [17:13:22] <bla_> I'm a little confused with a serial LCD. Can I plug RS/RW/E/D0-7 to any GPIO port ?
  • [17:14:05] <mdp> 8 data lines is serial?
  • [17:14:23] <mdp> we used to call that parallel back in the day
  • [17:15:13] <bla_> sorry, typed hd44780 at first and then erased the line and wrote without thinking
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  • [17:17:52] <av500> bla_: puttinh D0-D7 to 8 consecutive GPIOs might make sense, no?
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  • [17:19:58] <mdp> for extra credit, it would be fun to interface to gpmc
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  • [17:20:07] <bla_> av500: that's what I wanted to have confirmation on. The hw is usually OK but I have no idea how the sw is going to fare since i'm not in real-time here.
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  • [17:20:28] * av500 is amused to hear hd44780 and real time :)
  • [17:20:35] <SilicaGel> is DDRAM hookd up through the OCMC ?
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  • [17:21:05] <av500> mdp: can one make an ISA bus on GPMC?
  • [17:21:21] <bla_> av500: don't I need to give the instructions in preciase timings ?
  • [17:21:58] <av500> I doubt that for a hd44780
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  • [17:23:09] <mdp> av500, depends on how much extra credit you want???first one to interface a superio gets a gold star
  • [17:23:25] <bla_> ah great then, thanks
  • [17:24:06] <av500> mdp: 1st one to interface a Cowox sound card :)
  • [17:24:55] <mdp> I would love to use my GUS on beaglebone
  • [17:25:16] <av500> mdp: ISA port project it is then!
  • [17:25:19] <mdp> I wish the community would help me with this
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  • [17:25:58] <av500> mdp: let's have TI order one
  • [17:26:11] <av500> mdp: you can always ask on e2e forum
  • [17:26:15] <mdp> lol
  • [17:26:33] <mdp> I'll post as Boris Houndleroy
  • [17:26:41] <Crofton|work> rofl
  • [17:26:45] <av500> mdp: no, dont mention beagle!
  • [17:26:56] <av500> say you have an DM6441 EVM
  • [17:27:00] <mdp> "I'm trying to interface my Gravis Ultrasound to BeagleBone, do you have any reference code?"
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  • [17:27:21] <mdp> "anticipated volume sales is 500k/month"
  • [17:27:40] <av500> mdp: add "please send me the codez and explain it step by step"
  • [17:27:47] <mdp> lol..codez
  • [17:27:53] <av500> "the *exact* steps"
  • [17:28:21] <mdp> it's ok though, the magic ignore words are no longer Beagle* cause we officially support xM rev foo and Bone
  • [17:28:31] <av500> wow
  • [17:28:51] <mdp> the telltale sign is an EZSDK d/l for both of those
  • [17:29:00] <mdp> shhhh
  • [17:29:02] <av500> lol ..EZ
  • [17:29:14] <mdp> let's keep the sekrit to this small number of people here
  • [17:29:59] <tomo11> :) you know that everything is loged right :P
  • [17:30:53] <mdp> what?!?? :)
  • [17:31:24] <av500> maybe it'S lodged
  • [17:32:12] <mdp> it's lodged into the cracks on the channel
  • [17:33:00] <SilicaGel> that adafruit dot matrix display
  • [17:33:04] <SilicaGel> that's pretty cool for the price.
  • [17:33:16] <av500> what is it in $/dot?
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  • [17:33:26] <mdp> I will say that a GUS running on Bone will immortalize one for the obligatory 1.5 seconds on hackaday
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  • [17:34:04] <mdp> SilicaGel: the 7564 one?
  • [17:34:27] <SilicaGel> 7565 yeah
  • [17:34:36] <SilicaGel> it's just one of those densitron style dot matrix displays
  • [17:34:43] <SilicaGel> but with RGB backlighting, and at a decent price
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  • [17:38:27] * av500 likes this one: https://www.adafruit.com/products/661
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  • [17:43:11] <mdp> that one does look interesting
  • [17:43:54] <SilicaGel> Yes!
  • [17:43:59] <SilicaGel> why is it on such a huge friggin board though!
  • [17:44:00] <SilicaGel> WTH!
  • [17:44:24] <SilicaGel> you jerk, why di dyou show me that, now I have to buy one
  • [17:44:48] <av500> buy two and mount inside your glasses
  • [17:44:53] <SilicaGel> haha listen to me bitching about how "huge" it is ... it's the size of a quarter
  • [17:46:29] <SilicaGel> i wonder if she sells just the display, not on the board
  • [17:46:46] <av500> Lady Ada?
  • [17:46:50] <SilicaGel> ya
  • [17:46:52] <mdp> the one and only
  • [17:46:58] <av500> ask her
  • [17:47:04] <mdp> she does for the st7735 display
  • [17:47:22] <mdp> I think it's an on demand type thing as av500 implies
  • [17:47:59] <mdp> SilicaGel: you just need to be prepared to handle an FPC
  • [17:48:21] <SilicaGel> does that need to be hot bar soldered or is on a connector
  • [17:48:56] <SilicaGel> I see it. It's hot bar soldered. Her little board it looks like it was not though.
  • [17:49:24] <mdp> that's how she makes the breakout board cheap
  • [17:49:39] <mdp> modular production boards go with the expense of the connector
  • [17:49:54] <mdp> cost++
  • [17:50:28] <SilicaGel> I don't like the use of crappy old cmos parts like the CD4050 on that.
  • [17:51:28] <SilicaGel> well can I buy an SSD1306 somewhere directly?
  • [17:52:20] <av500> the 1306 is inside the oled module, no?
  • [17:52:25] <av500> not on the pcb
  • [17:52:30] <SilicaGel> oh yeah
  • [17:52:33] <SilicaGel> well the display module i mean
  • [17:52:56] <SilicaGel> I've been looking for a tiny litle oled module like that
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  • [17:53:05] <SilicaGel> I have a T.I. Stellaris SDK bot and it has one of those
  • [17:53:52] <SilicaGel> 10k hours
  • [17:53:53] <SilicaGel> poo
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  • [18:05:32] <SilicaGel> https://picasaweb.google.com/108380917869049424169/MiscellaneousJunk#5711651424524381762
  • [18:05:40] <SilicaGel> that's the little oled display on my stellaris robot
  • [18:05:45] <SilicaGel> it's friggin tiny
  • [18:05:51] <av500> different one
  • [18:06:02] <SilicaGel> yeah
  • [18:06:06] <av500> what I like on the above one is that I can get 20x4 chars on it
  • [18:06:09] <SilicaGel> but I couldn't figure out where the hell to buy one
  • [18:10:09] <tomo11> guys anyone tried java + comport on beagle? it works with my usb to serial converter but not with the ttyO2, which i realeased from the console on the uEnv.txt
  • [18:10:15] <tomo11> i also renamed /etc/init/ttyO2.conf and run the script /boot/uboot/tools/update_boot_files.sh but still no luck my java prog cant find the ttyO2
  • [18:11:21] <jsabeaudry> tomo11, Can you do it from the shell?
  • [18:11:49] <av500> you also need to disable the getty on the ttyO2
  • [18:11:55] <av500> not just kernel console
  • [18:12:34] <tomo11> hmm ok i will look into it thanks
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  • [18:39:44] <TonyB> hi, has anyone here successfully used a usb bluetooth dongle on beagleboard xm running android?
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  • [18:41:23] <TonyB> I have used a usb bluetooth dongle on beagleboard xm running Linux with no problem, but cannot get android to work with the same usb dongle.
  • [18:41:44] <LetoThe2nd> because android is not linux ;)
  • [18:42:40] <TonyB> obviously, but it does run ontop of linux
  • [18:44:00] <aholler> "does not work" is a good problem description
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  • [18:44:23] <mdp> "don't work!"
  • [18:45:02] <TonyB> I execute hcitool dev and it doesn't see the bluetooth dongle, but when running linux the same steps showed the dongle as hci0
  • [18:45:24] <TonyB> I tried hciconfig hci0 up and it does not see the device
  • [18:45:54] <mdp> probably cause your android uses a different heavily patched kernel and a different heavily patched version of bluez
  • [18:46:06] <aholler> and doesn't autoload some foo
  • [18:46:09] <TonyB> I try to enable bluetooth using teh android UI and it higlights the selection momentarily and then goes off again
  • [18:46:20] <av500> TonyB: all of the above
  • [18:46:28] <woglinde> av500 *g*
  • [18:46:29] <av500> what mdp and aholler said
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  • [18:47:07] <av500> the android UI is just the last step
  • [18:47:20] <av500> all the low level stuff needs to be in place first
  • [18:47:27] <av500> modules loaded etcc
  • [18:47:53] <TonyB> I understand the kernel and bluez are not stock configurations, but is their a way to enable the bluetooth dongle or allow android to connect to it????
  • [18:48:07] <av500> yes
  • [18:48:17] <av500> edit android to behave like your other linux
  • [18:48:37] <av500> mess around in startup scripts, make sure the right modules are built/deployed/loaded
  • [18:48:41] <TonyB> I have edited the init.rc file, but that was not successful
  • [18:50:18] <TonyB> it boots with the modified init.rc file, no problem. The main thing that I changed was assigning bluetooth ownership of ttyO0 instead of ttyS1
  • [18:50:37] <djlewis> SilicaGel: build a robot that can go places ;) http://robotics.djlewis.us/tracksbot/tracksbot.htm
  • [18:51:05] <TonyB> I saw documentation that said the change was required for kernel 2.6.37
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  • [18:54:00] <woglinde> TonyB are you sure bt is connected to ttyS1?
  • [18:56:09] <TonyB> using original init.rc it was. using modified init.rc it is connected to ttyO0
  • [18:57:31] <aholler> an usb-dongle?
  • [18:57:42] <TonyB> I also observed that rfkill module is loaded, which is required and the console recognizes the hcitool and hciconfig commands.
  • [18:58:39] <TonyB> using the same bluetooth dongle that I got to work on beagleboard xm running linux. Same dongle, same beagelboard xm, different OS obviously
  • [18:58:59] <mdp> "edit android"
  • [18:59:32] <aholler> first unlock the bootloader ;)
  • [19:01:00] <av500> TonyB: this is a usb dongle?
  • [19:01:18] <av500> why would it by ttyOx?
  • [19:01:23] <av500> should be ttyUSBx
  • [19:02:01] <aholler> ?
  • [19:02:13] <kkeller> mdp: 5110 bonescript up on https://github.com/kkeller/Nokia5110
  • [19:02:21] <aholler> usb-bt-dongles are managed through a btusb
  • [19:02:33] <aholler> no serial involved
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  • [19:03:02] <av500> still its not ttyOx
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  • [19:03:37] <av500> kkeller: nice how a 1ghz cpu can do the same stuff as a PIC :)
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  • [19:03:44] <av500> at about the same speed
  • [19:03:59] * kkeller hehe
  • [19:04:08] <TonyB> sorry lost my connection had to log back in
  • [19:04:29] <av500> TonyB: why ttyO0?
  • [19:05:26] <TonyB> I found anothe rinit.rc for an omap3 board that supported bluetooth and it had documentation stating that as of kernel 2.6.37 that ttyO0 was to be used instead of ttyS1
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  • [19:05:57] <av500> TonyB: yes, for the serial port
  • [19:06:06] <aholler> TonyB: again, an usb-bt-dongle uses btusb as driver, no serial involved
  • [19:06:34] <thurbad> depends on how your bt is connected I would presume
  • [19:07:13] <thurbad> but yeah a dongle would probably use one of the ttyUSBX ports
  • [19:07:38] <aholler> omg
  • [19:07:42] <TonyB> aholler I missed that comment probably when I lost my connection, sorry
  • [19:07:46] <thurbad> if you even need to worry about that
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  • [19:08:09] <TonyB> should I verify that btusb module is loaded???
  • [19:08:49] <av500> never verify
  • [19:08:53] <thurbad> :P
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  • [19:17:18] <SilicaGel> djlewis: I like the tracks on that robot
  • [19:18:09] <djlewis> SilicaGel: yeah, I like the tracks. Tough with rubber pads.
  • [19:18:27] <djlewis> it will climb
  • [19:21:44] <SilicaGel> koen: are you still here? I want to make the same argument about uio.
  • [19:21:49] <SilicaGel> I think I'd prefer it be set to UIO=m
  • [19:21:51] <SilicaGel> not y
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  • [19:46:11] <SilicaGel> the am335x is so cool I'm starting to get aroused
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  • [19:47:09] <SilicaGel> just a little
  • [19:47:28] <SilicaGel> right now, the google group for Beagle Board is going apeshit.
  • [19:48:01] <SilicaGel> And I'd like someboyd to un-tack the idiotic question about the speech scrambler, even though I think it was a good lesson for the kid
  • [19:48:04] <ds2> stop throwing feces around!
  • [19:48:34] <SilicaGel> the new uio_pruss in the angstrom kernel 3.2.something = VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY CLOSE!!!
  • [19:48:35] <SilicaGel> :)
  • [19:48:36] <SilicaGel> VERY close!
  • [19:48:44] <SilicaGel> Somebody needs to fix something that I don' tknow how to fix
  • [19:48:46] <SilicaGel> and I think it will work
  • [19:55:16] <jkridner___> when does 'bash' output a prompt?
  • [19:55:28] <SilicaGel> i'm trying to post the details of this to the beagle group but it's fubar. I got an email from the group but it's not showing up on groups.google.com/group/beagleboard for some reason
  • [19:55:44] <jkridner___> I'm adding a simple shell to bonescript, and I don't know why 'bash' doesn't give me a prompt. does it only do it for tty's?
  • [19:56:01] <SilicaGel> The gist is that I think uio_pruss.ko is doing the right thing except nothing in the power domain setup ever takes the pruss out of reset, so it can't talk to the L3/L4 and you're stuck
  • [19:56:15] <SilicaGel> and from the userspace side (the uio client) there's nothing you can do about it
  • [19:56:29] <jkridner___> SilicaGel: I'll check the group queue.
  • [19:56:33] <SilicaGel> I think the right thing to happen here is that the icss_uart_gclk is in the icss clock domain
  • [19:56:38] <SilicaGel> which is in the per clock domain
  • [19:56:42] <SilicaGel> which is in the per power domain
  • [19:56:52] <jwinnebeck> jkridner___: I think bash would only do prompts for ttys, that makes sense
  • [19:57:03] <jwinnebeck> if you are feeding commands into it via a pipe...
  • [19:57:03] <jkridner___> any way to fake a tty?
  • [19:57:13] <jwinnebeck> I don't know, what are you trying to do
  • [19:57:18] <SilicaGel> somewhere in there, somebody needs to write RM_PER_RSTCTRL and take the whole subsystem out of reset.
  • [19:57:20] <jwinnebeck> why do you need prompts
  • [19:57:29] <mru> fake tty == pty
  • [19:57:34] <SilicaGel> yeah you can fake a tty ... yeah. pty.
  • [19:57:36] <SilicaGel> just grab a pty.
  • [19:57:36] <jwinnebeck> I can't think of any shell interactions I would do that could cause that
  • [19:57:46] <jkridner___> k
  • [19:57:56] <jwinnebeck> I mean that would need that
  • [19:58:10] <jwinnebeck> well if pty works for you...
  • [19:58:55] <SilicaGel> jkridner___: what's weird is I got a "can not post this message" error, so I just clicked send again, and then it took it. So somehow the googles are scrambled in the head
  • [19:59:15] <SilicaGel> butI have no idea if my message went out to the list or what. It looks like it did bsed on what it sent back to me
  • [19:59:24] <SilicaGel> but maybe it's just screwing with me
  • [19:59:41] <jkridner___> k. nothing is sitting in the queue, so not sure what to say.
  • [19:59:52] <SilicaGel> did you get a message from me?
  • [20:00:01] <SilicaGel> subject PRUSS activation in angstrom with 3.2 kernel / am335x / bone
  • [20:01:40] <SilicaGel> I'll check when i get back (probably about an hour), and if it didn't show up, I'll send it again with an incredibly sincere apology for folks possibly getting it twice.
  • [20:01:44] <SilicaGel> Incredibly sincere!!!!
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  • [20:07:15] <mdp> SilicaGel: #2 is correct
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  • [20:11:34] <tomo11> it seems the java library rxtx have some problems with the uart of the beagleboard
  • [20:12:08] <tomo11> uartO2 is working fine only the lib dosnt recognize it
  • [20:12:19] <tomo11> *doesnt
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  • [20:21:04] <Maxz> http://www.memecreator.com/meme/offers-a-mpu-does-not-release-a-sdk-for-it-t.i.-with-pruss
  • [20:22:21] <tomo11> :)
  • [20:22:40] <mdp> I think part of building a community is to leave some code for others to write
  • [20:23:02] <mdp> don't want to take all the fun out of it :)
  • [20:24:53] <ds2> then slap on a MSP430
  • [20:24:57] <Maxz> I think you are right mdp
  • [20:25:24] <ds2> plnty of tools
  • [20:25:44] <ds2> no level shifter issues. what else do you want?!
  • [20:26:04] <mdp> yeah, there's a project, code up remoteproc support to load firmware to your msp430 over spi or something
  • [20:26:10] <mdp> another chance to be famous
  • [20:27:11] <ds2> use gpios
  • [20:27:29] <ds2> spybiwire baby!
  • [20:29:06] <mru> remote surveillance, spy by wire
  • [20:29:33] <mdp> "bitbang it!"
  • [20:32:31] <jwinnebeck> What does the oebb.sh update do? Is it different than "for each directory in sources, do git pull --rebase" ?
  • [20:34:24] <jwinnebeck> tomo11: I hate to tell you this but RXTX is a pile of crap
  • [20:34:40] <jwinnebeck> I can attest to this based on experience and inspection of source code
  • [20:34:51] <jwinnebeck> if I recall, the list of serial ports is hardcoded in there for what to scan
  • [20:34:58] <jwinnebeck> it probably doesn't think ttyO* is a serial port
  • [20:35:07] <jwinnebeck> if you are talking about enumerating...
  • [20:35:33] <jwinnebeck> if you open it directly by passing it into the constructor, then you can use it
  • [20:36:06] <jwinnebeck> However, you can't do that and stay strictly using the javacomm API, which means technically you could not be compliant with its GPL exception
  • [20:36:20] <jwinnebeck> You can decide how much that bothers you
  • [20:36:50] <jwinnebeck> Personally, if you only need to use Linux, I know it sounds horrible (at least it does to me) but in recent projects I've just stopped using RXTX all together and just use InputStream
  • [20:37:16] <jwinnebeck> If you don't need to do any bit-fiddling you don't need RXTX. However, you have to run stty (you can do this from Java) on the port before you open it
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  • [20:38:21] <jwinnebeck> It sounds like a horrible hack, but based on my experience it's been more stable and more performant than RXTX and you don't have to worry about yet another native lib to compile/link or another package to worry about for license compliance
  • [20:38:48] <jwinnebeck> The biggest drawback being obviously that the program is no longer portable outside of Linux
  • [20:39:17] <jwinnebeck> But it's trivial to write a wrapper to get a InputStream from RXTX in !Linux case and open file directly in Linux case
  • [20:40:54] <woglinde> jwinnebeck let us rewrite it under bsd license
  • [20:40:55] <woglinde> haha
  • [20:41:13] <jwinnebeck> Well it won't be hard to beat out RXTX in coding
  • [20:41:34] <jwinnebeck> but RXTX is one of those things where it has to do everything you could want to do with a serial port, which is a lot, and normally you don't ned 99% of it
  • [20:42:02] <jwinnebeck> You could make a small simple JNI in probably a screen of code for the majority you need to do with serial ports from Java
  • [20:45:12] <Maxz> java package has not replacement for rxtx?
  • [20:45:42] <Crofton|work> what is the borat panda url?
  • [20:46:17] <jwinnebeck> Maxz: RXTX has been the only serial/parallel option for Java for quite a long time
  • [20:46:21] <jwinnebeck> there's not really any competetor
  • [20:48:10] <_av500_> Crofton|work: mistype pandaboard
  • [20:49:32] <Maxz> There is a lesson here for ambitious system architects: the most dangerous enemy of a better solution is an existing codebase that is just good enough.
  • [20:49:32] <Maxz> ???Eric S. Raymond[3
  • [20:49:46] <Maxz> that is RXTX :P
  • [20:50:41] <Crofton|work> hmm, not foudn
  • [20:53:59] <_av500_> pandaborad.org
  • [20:54:37] * _av500_ notes that in 2012 the hot topic here so far is serial port handling for java
  • [20:55:13] <Crofton|work> ah
  • [20:55:27] <Crofton|work> I was mispelling to ahrd
  • [20:55:33] <_av500_> try /content/buy too
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  • [21:00:36] * koen hates rxtx
  • [21:00:46] <jwinnebeck> I don't think anyone likes RXTX
  • [21:00:53] <koen> ever since I was a teaching assistant and needed to cross compile it
  • [21:01:17] <jwinnebeck> Maxz: BTW I agree with that statement. RXTX is just BARELY good enough that no one has been motivated to replace it
  • [21:01:20] <jwinnebeck> plus it's not often used
  • [21:01:48] <jwinnebeck> and where you DO want to replace RXTX you can do like what I did, or write a much much simpler native stub that does just what you need and not everything
  • [21:01:55] <jwinnebeck> So RXTX being replaced is not at all likely
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  • [21:04:42] <aholler> hmm, ubuntu for android
  • [21:04:58] <jkridner__> aholler: yeah, I found that one interesting.
  • [21:05:31] <aholler> does that run in a vm or native?
  • [21:06:25] <aholler> or in a sandbox or similiar
  • [21:08:00] <aholler> maybe that finally is a way for ubuntu to earn some money
  • [21:08:32] <koen> "BREAKING: Canonical announces something. We have no idea of what it is, but we advise viewers to be already downloading Arch and Mint ISOs. -- FOSSNewsChannel (@FOSSNewsChannel)"
  • [21:09:19] <thurbad> ?
  • [21:09:49] <Crofton|work> remoteproc on omap3, discuss!
  • [21:10:26] <koen> Crofton|work: rpmsg?
  • [21:10:52] <koen> Crofton|work: I use that when bitbake breaks
  • [21:12:43] <Crofton|work> https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/10/25/139
  • [21:13:10] <koen> Crofton|work: didn't we discuss that during ELC already?
  • [21:13:19] <Crofton|work> no
  • [21:13:32] <koen> Crofton|work: btw, you never finished that anecdote about the guy attending ELC that had only attended "real" conferences
  • [21:13:43] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [21:13:59] <Crofton|work> he was impressed by the number of people that do real work presenting
  • [21:14:06] <koen> public safety announcement: do not hand Crofton|work a new beer during an anecdote
  • [21:14:13] <Crofton|work> as opposed to marketing people and college students
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  • [21:14:38] <mru> what guy was that?
  • [21:14:49] <mru> the ex-microsoft one?
  • [21:14:52] <Crofton|work> no
  • [21:15:15] <mru> he was hilarious
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  • [21:15:27] <mru> hilariously deluded
  • [21:15:28] <Crofton|work> I remember you trolling him
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  • [21:18:21] <koen> mru: andy the ex-ms guy?
  • [21:18:35] <mru> I forgot his name
  • [21:18:41] <mru> didn't seem important
  • [21:18:48] <aholler> watterott nervt mich jetzt. jetzt warte ich seit 1-2 wochen bis das das polymorph da ist, jetzt ist der bus-priate wech. :(
  • [21:18:51] <aholler> uups
  • [21:19:08] <mru> the guy who argued that android phones aren't "true" smartphones since they run some kind of java
  • [21:19:11] <Russ> I missed out on this
  • [21:19:20] <koen> I missed out on that as well
  • [21:19:51] <mru> actually, he had 3 reasons why androids are not smartphones:
  • [21:19:56] <mru> 1) they run java
  • [21:20:08] <mru> 2) they don't have an exclusive locked-down "app store"
  • [21:20:12] <mru> 3) they are too cheap
  • [21:20:12] <thurbad> lol
  • [21:20:20] <mru> he actually said those things
  • [21:20:25] <thurbad> so what makes a smartphone smart then?
  • [21:20:31] <mru> he would not say
  • [21:20:48] <Russ> ah yes, the feature of denying an app entry because "android builder summit" is in the description
  • [21:20:48] <mru> presumably the opposites of those things
  • [21:21:06] <koen> ABS was hilarious
  • [21:21:13] <koen> and it had free food
  • [21:21:36] <mru> they had something beyond the food?
  • [21:21:45] * mru never checked
  • [21:21:46] <koen> a few keynotes
  • [21:21:54] <koen> I attended 2
  • [21:22:10] <koen> had to blend in and all
  • [21:22:59] <mdp> lol, "real" conference..cool
  • [21:23:16] <mru> and which ones are "real"? the ones with "world" in their names?
  • [21:23:36] <mdp> SmartPhoneWorld!
  • [21:23:44] <Russ> the ones where companies don't send any actual experts to do talks for fear of them being head hunted
  • [21:23:54] <mru> mdp: that's MWC
  • [21:23:59] <mdp> right
  • [21:24:02] <mdp> another real conference
  • [21:24:20] <mdp> or the canned marketing conferences like Freescale Technology Forum
  • [21:24:30] <mdp> or *Developer Days
  • [21:24:46] <mdp> those are nice for free drinks
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  • [21:27:12] <jwinnebeck> The ubuntu note was interesting, especially since they mention the Atrix
  • [21:27:28] <jwinnebeck> I thought the Moto Atrix "docked" mode was just a nested ubuntu
  • [21:27:42] <jwinnebeck> well maybe not ubuntu but definitely a debian-based system of some sort
  • [21:28:05] <jwinnebeck> and basically they just decide to run X and some kind of remoting technology like (or maybe exactly) VNC to the Android desktop
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  • [21:28:46] <jwinnebeck> I think this is the future eventually, at least a significant role in the future
  • [21:28:55] <jwinnebeck> chromium is "dead" because of this, IMO
  • [21:29:14] <jwinnebeck> For the things someone would use a chromium "desktop" for they can use ICS and/or Ubuntu on an ARM superphone
  • [21:30:17] <aholler> no, chromium is all about data in the cloud
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  • [21:30:27] <jwinnebeck> Yeah it is, but it's also an OS
  • [21:30:32] <aholler> and nobody really wants that
  • [21:30:34] <jwinnebeck> well a replacement for an OS
  • [21:30:39] <jwinnebeck> But that's what your phone can do
  • [21:30:49] <jwinnebeck> esp when it's also your portable desktop
  • [21:31:03] <jwinnebeck> it can use the cloud in the same way chromium does, but better obviously
  • [21:31:07] <jwinnebeck> because the OS isn't as brain dead
  • [21:31:37] <jwinnebeck> Although this was my ealier thought about thinking whether I should do my app's user interface as HTML/JavaScript
  • [21:31:56] <jwinnebeck> and all of this stuff just solidifies it with all of the cloud crap going on as well
  • [21:32:07] <jwinnebeck> everyone is standardizing on "Web" technologies
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  • [21:40:06] <jwinnebeck> I'll have to say canonical is smart on this one, though, it's probably their best realistic chance of not only getting some money but getting into the mainstream market
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  • [21:46:11] <TheBurrito> Is there an "easy" way to find out why a i2c bus is no longer showing up on a C4? I had I2C working with several SRF08s, 24c02, and a BMP085, but now the bus doesn't show up at all. i2c-1 and i2c-3 still show up.
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  • [21:50:43] <ds2> what did you change?
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  • [21:52:48] <TheBurrito> I've been compiling new kernels (running 3.2 now) but I can't even probe the bus in uboot, which worked previously
  • [21:53:29] <SilicaGel> My phone has that ubuntu mode too.
  • [21:53:30] <ds2> did you change uboot?
  • [21:53:36] <TheBurrito> no
  • [21:53:52] <TheBurrito> uboot is living in nand
  • [21:54:07] <SilicaGel> hopefully it's not nand of the nost.
  • [21:54:14] <jwinnebeck> SilicaGel: maybe they took it a step farther, they say the email, sms, and apps integrate between the two, so if you manage contacts in ubuntu, it's also changing the android ones and google contacts, etc
  • [21:54:16] <ds2> measure sda and scl and make sure they are not frozen
  • [21:54:32] <TheBurrito> ohhhh wait... i2c is zero indexed in uboot :)
  • [21:54:38] <TheBurrito> ok it's working in uboot. nevermind
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  • [21:56:12] <ds2> then..
  • [21:57:43] <TheBurrito> still not sure why it's not loading in linux though. going to revert to the ubuntu kernel and go from there again.
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  • [21:58:33] <ds2> kernels are for ur hw
  • [21:58:57] <TheBurrito> right?
  • [21:59:31] <ds2> there is no generic kernel!
  • [21:59:53] <TheBurrito> right. the relevance to anything lost me though.
  • [22:00:15] <TheBurrito> perhaps I should clarify with the ubuntu-omap kernel
  • [22:00:41] <ds2> forgetubuntu
  • [22:00:51] <ds2> just debug your kernel
  • [22:06:18] <TheBurrito> "just" he says =P
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  • [22:13:27] <TheBurrito> I don't see anything about i2c-2 errors on boot or in the message log, and busses 1 and 3 work fine.
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  • [22:13:59] <djlewis> TheBurrito: you didnt mention /dev/i2c-x?
  • [22:16:22] <TheBurrito> that's what i meant before when I said "i2c-1 and i2c-3 still show up" in my initial prompt.
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  • [22:20:55] <djlewis> well, you got your answer anyways, if it is good in u-boot then your kernel has mucked with it.
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  • [22:43:00] <ds2> yes, it is that simple
  • [22:43:04] <ds2> do it all the time
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  • [22:47:18] <djlewis> ds2: what? you muck with your kernels ? ;)
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  • [22:54:52] <ds2> :P
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  • [23:45:05] <thurbad> don't use opkg upgrade, bad things can happen
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  • [23:45:47] <thurbad> not sure why exactly
  • [23:47:36] * djlewis seconds that statement
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