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  • [18:23:03] <arcanescu> ok so im guessing this question has been asked anumber of times but gstreamer pipeline involving reading a file from sdcard is pretty slow. (its going from sdcard read to usb) whats the best way to get it to run faster?
  • [18:24:19] <aholler> using something else than a sd-card?
  • [18:24:30] <arcanescu> like?
  • [18:25:00] <aholler> whatever youare able to attach. or just cache the stuff in memory
  • [18:25:20] <arcanescu> how should i cache it?
  • [18:25:48] <aholler> cp?
  • [18:26:05] <arcanescu> the entire filesystem is on sd card
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  • [18:27:17] <aholler> cp is able to copy just one file
  • [18:28:01] <aholler> so using a ram-disk (e.g. tmpfs) and you have your cache, assuming the file fits in ram
  • [18:28:40] <arcanescu> hmmmm i can try that
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  • [18:32:02] * djlewis is waiting on pizza delivery, gm :)
  • [18:32:15] <aholler> still audi ;)
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  • [18:32:55] <LetoThe2nd> aholler: which audi? ;)
  • [18:33:10] <ka6sox> r10
  • [18:33:10] <aholler> the smallest, not available anymore
  • [18:33:32] <arcanescu> TT
  • [18:34:59] <aholler> but something warm to eat sounds good.
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  • [18:35:34] <aholler> frozen europe :/
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  • [18:38:13] <ynezz> DAMN, EVEN MY CAPSLOCK IS FROZEN!
  • [18:38:19] <LetoThe2nd> hrhrhr
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  • [18:43:42] <ynezz> Loading Global Warming 2.0, please wait...
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  • [18:44:42] <etheretic> global scmarming - google "climategate".
  • [18:45:09] <aholler> you don't wantglobal warming 2.0, you will miss the gulf stream
  • [18:46:13] <etheretic> norway would be a ice hell w/o the gulf stream.
  • [18:46:30] <djlewis> what gulf
  • [18:46:31] <etheretic> i mean worse than now.
  • [18:46:40] <etheretic> mexico.
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  • [18:46:47] <djlewis> hmm
  • [18:47:17] <djlewis> but that has to mix all up with that cold atlantic to get there
  • [18:48:20] <etheretic> it's still warm when it gets here. look up a map of ocean currents.
  • [18:48:47] <etheretic> (13,800,000 hits on climategate)
  • [18:49:23] <jsabeaudry> arcanescu,Buying a class 10 sd card might also be an option
  • [18:49:56] <aholler> djlewis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_Stream#Localized_effects
  • [18:51:40] * etheretic is a big fan of the gulf stream :)
  • [18:53:18] <etheretic> aholler: wikip image makes the gs look cold...
  • [18:53:27] <aholler> they assume that the gulf stream is driven by ice in greenland, which already becomes more less
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  • [18:56:20] <_av500_> less more
  • [18:56:56] <etheretic> bit.ly/zi3lFm is maybe a better illustration of glob. oc. curr.
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  • [18:58:15] <etheretic> has anyone made an emp-hardened casing for the beagleboard?
  • [18:58:23] <dioxin> is there a beaglebone specific channel?
  • [18:59:21] <etheretic> /join #beaglebone
  • [18:59:25] <dioxin> cheers
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  • [18:59:52] <etheretic> if there weren't, there will be one now.
  • [18:59:58] <arcanescu> jsabeaudry:class 10 sd card?
  • [19:00:02] <arcanescu> englighetn me
  • [19:00:28] <dioxin> emp as in electro magnetic pulse? that might be a little difficult (impossible) if you want the board to be running when it gets hit
  • [19:00:32] <jsabeaudry> arcanescu, Not all sd cards are identical in terms of speed, there are many speed ratings
  • [19:01:12] <dioxin> it would basically entail a faraday cage with no connection to outside of the cage
  • [19:01:39] <jsabeaudry> arcanescu, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#Speed_Class_Rating
  • [19:04:57] <emeb> of course the big problem with EMP hardening is testing that it actually works...
  • [19:04:58] <arcanescu> got it thanks. I will try to find a class 10 one... it would be pointless to say that they would cost more
  • [19:05:16] <etheretic> dioxin: which would include a gps signal antenna, presumably?
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  • [19:20:19] <ka6sox> emeb, do I want to be in the room when they are EMP testing?
  • [19:21:06] <emeb> ka6sox: If you are you probably won't be for long.
  • [19:22:02] <ka6sox> oh, my pacemaker....
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  • [19:23:36] <emeb> owche
  • [19:23:38] <djlewis> arcanescu: actual sd card results: http://www.sakoman.com/OMAP/microsd-card-perfomance-test-results.html
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  • [19:37:29] <etheretic> that's surprisingly radical differences. do they reflect price/cost?
  • [19:39:28] <XorA> Sandisk and Trascend are deffo at the top of their class, with Sandisk winning out :-D
  • [19:40:25] <etheretic> topram?
  • [19:40:26] <djlewis> watch out for lessor quality chinese clones of these.
  • [19:41:09] <djlewis> ^^^^ meaning all brands
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  • [19:54:30] <fraviofii> hello, I have a (maybe) stupid question: Can I use kernel 3.1 for Beagleboard-xM into old BeagleBoard?
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  • [19:55:37] <jay6981> fraviofii: not stupid??? are you talking about using the actual binary kernel image?
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  • [19:56:47] <fraviofii> jay6981: In fact, I'm searching for the correct kernel sources for the old BeagleBoard
  • [19:57:18] <fraviofii> jay6981: And I find information just for newer kernels for BeagleBoard-xM
  • [19:57:49] <jay6981> i think the mainline kernel will work on the old beagleboard
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  • [19:58:47] <fraviofii> That's fine, I'll try
  • [19:59:20] <fraviofii> And how is the best way to load the kernel from serial port using Linux host?
  • [19:59:52] <Russ> I usually use minicom
  • [20:00:43] <jay6981> uboot can load a kernel with ymodem
  • [20:00:46] <jay6981> or kermit
  • [20:01:10] <fraviofii> yes, but in my case I have just serial
  • [20:01:20] <fraviofii> I need serial to load u-boot
  • [20:01:32] <Russ> and minicom has ymodem
  • [20:01:35] <fraviofii> I saw a pserial tool
  • [20:01:40] <fraviofii> to load u-boot
  • [20:01:50] <jay6981> that's for loading "MLO"
  • [20:02:04] <fraviofii> yes ... also
  • [20:02:07] <jay6981> MLO - 1st stage loader into SRAM
  • [20:02:15] <jay6981> MLO loads u-boot into SDRAM
  • [20:02:16] <fraviofii> yes
  • [20:02:22] <mdp> we posted patches for serial SPL support..works great
  • [20:02:28] <jay6981> pserial might work. i did not ever have any success though.
  • [20:02:47] <fraviofii> pserial save automatically MLO to SRAM?
  • [20:03:20] <jay6981> the mask rom will put MLO into sram
  • [20:03:33] <fraviofii> or should I load MLO using pserial before loading u-boot?
  • [20:03:46] <jay6981> yes, MLO first
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  • [20:10:54] <fraviofii> that's nice
  • [20:10:59] <fraviofii> I'll start here
  • [20:11:04] <fraviofii> thank you very much
  • [20:11:08] <jay6981> good luck
  • [20:11:14] <fraviofii> thank you
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  • [20:26:06] <dwery> koen: http://www.towertech.it/en/products/hardware/tt3201-can-cape/manual/
  • [20:28:03] <koen> dwery: thanks, I hope to have some time to look at it before ELC
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  • [20:28:40] <koen> dwery: the next bone release will be based on 3.2: https://github.com/koenkooi/linux/tree/beaglebone-3.2
  • [20:28:55] <dwery> there's no hurry. I will rebase the patch on release
  • [20:29:17] <dwery> it would be also fine to have newer canutils in angstrom
  • [20:29:23] <dwery> and iproute2 installed by default
  • [20:30:09] <koen> I was just looking at that
  • [20:30:24] <koen> I did some can work a while ago for AM3517
  • [20:30:48] <koen> I need to see if there's a new version of qcanobserver
  • [20:30:59] <dwery> the latest d_can driver seems to work nicely
  • [20:31:06] <dwery> the one in the current bone tree is buggy
  • [20:31:16] <mattzz> Please excuse my confusion: what is the difference between aragon, rcn-ee and koen's kernel trees? Are they all staging areas for mainline?
  • [20:31:29] <koen> no
  • [20:31:50] <mattzz> rcn-ee -> debian, koen --> angstrom ?
  • [20:31:56] <koen> no
  • [20:32:08] <koen> the beaglebone uses the 335x kernel from meta-ti
  • [20:32:16] <koen> angstrom builds from meta-ti
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  • [20:32:43] <koen> the git tree on my github is just there for whiny bitches who say applying patches is too hard
  • [20:33:37] <mattzz> I see. what is the difference between aragon and meta-ti? (sorry, I'm new to beagle bone lingo)
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  • [20:33:59] <koen> dunno what aragon is
  • [20:34:05] <denix> :)
  • [20:34:20] <mattzz> arago=aragon
  • [20:34:42] <fraviofii> I thought the beagleboard github project was a central for the evolution of beagleboards
  • [20:35:01] * dwery thinks he might join ELC EU 2012
  • [20:35:10] <koen> dwery: barcelona!
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  • [20:35:16] <dwery> yep
  • [20:35:31] <koen> dwery: there's a really good italian restaurant near the venue
  • [20:35:37] <koen> run by actual italians
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  • [20:36:03] <dwery> great, so I don't have to search for a Mc Donald's :D
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  • [20:36:04] <prpplague> koen: hehe, apparently my son has online friend who speaks Dutch who has been teaching my son some phrases, hehe
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  • [20:36:08] <denix> italian restaurant in spain?
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  • [20:36:24] <denix> prpplague: oh-oh
  • [20:36:35] <koen> denix: yes, my girlfriend had an italian roommate when she lived in barcelona :)
  • [20:37:11] * dwery hates eating abroad...
  • [20:37:34] <koen> prpplague: read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._C._Baantjer before getting mad at your son
  • [20:37:45] * tasslehoff used to be a whiny bitch, but improved
  • [20:38:19] <woglinde> tasslehoff haha
  • [20:39:21] <prpplague> koen: hehe, well he seems to like learning different languages, so i told him i'd get him a rosetta stone kit for Dutch, hehe, http://www.rosettastone.com/learn-dutch
  • [20:40:31] <koen> prpplague: lately I have been wondering to get some dutch lessons as well
  • [20:40:55] <koen> working for texans rots my brain ;)
  • [20:40:59] <prpplague> koen: hehe
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  • [20:41:32] <prpplague> koen: hehe, talk about rotten, my texas draw accent trying to speak Dutch
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  • [20:41:47] <denix> :)
  • [20:41:59] <koen> prpplague: in califronia people said I had a texas accent
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  • [20:42:17] <prpplague> koen: hehe
  • [20:43:09] <prpplague> koen: you do need to set aside some time for thursday or friday evening at ELC for me to buy some beer...
  • [20:43:51] <koen> will do
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  • [20:44:50] <mattzz> which kernel tree is meta-ti based on?
  • [20:45:06] <koen> psp
  • [20:45:09] <denix> mattzz: the one from arago
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  • [20:45:28] <mattzz> thx! Things are getting a bit clearer??? ;)
  • [20:46:54] <woglinde> denix btw. the tablecloth from fosdem is a bit lighter than on the picture
  • [20:47:19] <koen> denix: fwiw, the patches I sent to the ml are at https://github.com/angstrom-distribution/meta-ti/tree/beaglebone-rebase
  • [20:47:26] <koen> denix: with a typo fix in the kernel one
  • [20:47:49] <woglinde> maybee crofton will bring it to elc
  • [20:47:50] <denix> woglinde: I thought it would be slightly more beige
  • [20:48:12] <denix> woglinde: Crofton was saying it had "peachy" color
  • [20:48:24] <denix> but on the picture it had yellow tint
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  • [20:48:45] <denix> I guess it could have been different lighting, need to see in person :)
  • [20:48:50] <ds2> hmmm
  • [20:48:50] <koen> cornsilk
  • [20:49:01] <koen> corncob yellow is pretty close
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  • [20:50:19] <denix> koen: great! I was already going through the patches...
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  • [20:51:54] <koen> denix: I'm going to move fluff like bone-tester and those images to meta-beagleboard, but keep all the BSP stuff in meta-ti-bsp-*
  • [20:52:28] <koen> but for the time being I need to get the new image out
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  • [20:52:34] <koen> and finish my presentation for elc
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  • [20:54:04] <denix> koen: ok
  • [20:54:29] <denix> koen: you decided to split off meta-bb?
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  • [20:56:40] <koen> denix: only for the extras
  • [20:56:47] <koen> kernel/uboot/etc will still be in meta-ti
  • [20:57:53] <denix> want to put it in meta-arago-extras? :) the part which is not distro? :) ;)
  • [20:58:18] <koen> no
  • [20:58:49] <ds2> finish?
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  • [20:59:00] <ds2> koen, wasn't the slides due yesterday?
  • [21:01:11] <koen> ds2: dunno
  • [21:01:25] <koen> my slides are on github anyway :)
  • [21:01:47] <koen> https://github.com/koenkooi/bonescript/commits/ELC2012-koen
  • [21:02:33] <XorA> yo koen
  • [21:02:51] <koen> XorA: how's the weather there?
  • [21:03:00] <koen> I bet it's not -20 like here
  • [21:03:06] <XorA> koen: warm and sunny
  • [21:03:14] <XorA> although the locals claim its freezing and winter
  • [21:03:44] <djlewis> XorA: californification?
  • [21:04:03] <etheretic> <G>FULL MOON.
  • [21:04:29] <XorA> koen: should move all the geek conferences to -20 locals to keep BO down
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  • [21:05:35] <prpplague> koen: hehe, i hope you got them to LF , they are pretty serious about the pre-approval this time....
  • [21:06:49] <koen> I haven't seen any mail about slides...
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  • [21:07:04] * koen quickly orders the mini displayport to vga adapter
  • [21:07:32] <ds2> koen: it was in the speaker acceptance mail for me
  • [21:07:37] <ds2> saying slides due Feb 6.
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  • [21:08:16] <koen> " Our video recording devices will automatically collect your slides, so you do not need to email them to us separately unless you would like them made available on the website prior to the event."
  • [21:08:25] <koen> in the email that just landed in my inbox :)
  • [21:09:19] <Russ> so no editorial review for "inappropriate" material then?
  • [21:09:39] <mdp> koen, I was so excited since I'm already a day late on the "slideware deadline"
  • [21:09:53] <mdp> I was expecting nagging mails to ignore
  • [21:10:04] <koen> slideware, is that ppt running baremetal in starterware?
  • [21:10:17] <koen> mdp: attending ELC as well?
  • [21:10:57] <koen> denix: do you want to pull the patches from my github into master or do you want me to do that tomorrow?
  • [21:12:20] <mdp> koen, yup
  • [21:12:30] <prpplague> mdp: dandy
  • [21:12:46] <mdp> my agents at connect already inform me that the beer selection at the hotel bar is poor
  • [21:12:49] <koen> mdp: sweet, maybe we can locate a shooting range in CA
  • [21:13:36] <mdp> koen, we won't need rentals if we hook up with mranostay???I won't check anything I own into the republic of CA
  • [21:14:06] <Russ> mranostay?
  • [21:14:14] <koen> yeah, guns might cause cancer in CA
  • [21:14:21] <Russ> koen, there is one not far from sfo airport
  • [21:14:31] <mdp> Russ, mranostay just moved to CA in the last few days
  • [21:14:53] <Russ> they get really confused at sfo when you check a gun though
  • [21:15:05] <denix> koen: ok, I'll pull them once I'm done with the review - got stuck on patch #3 :)
  • [21:15:58] <Russ> just don't bring any "high capacity" magazines
  • [21:16:04] <mdp> Russ, 90% of the time at phx was fine for me..but every once in a while there was some confusion..back in my days there
  • [21:16:28] <XorA> denix: you are aware of http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.angstrom.user/3932 ??
  • [21:16:34] <Russ> yes, phx its no different than checking golf clubs
  • [21:16:35] <koen> I heard prpplague can't take his .50 with him
  • [21:16:52] <prpplague> koen: nope
  • [21:17:06] <prpplague> koen: hehe, you say the post with the sign at the car wash?
  • [21:17:06] <mdp> koen, CA has a long list of named pieces of metal that are disallowed for arbitrary reasons
  • [21:17:36] <prpplague> koen: https://plus.google.com/101339419642360856354/posts/QeZZizwAxez
  • [21:18:51] <koen> yeah
  • [21:19:25] <prpplague> koen: i sat there for about 20 minutes waiting for my car, it was funny as hell seeing how many guns were coming out
  • [21:20:29] <prpplague> mdp: going to scout out some good spots for some brew?
  • [21:20:30] <koen> I like how the dutch government states its position on guns
  • [21:20:37] <koen> "we have the monopoly on violence"
  • [21:20:57] <mdp> it's preferred by all governments :)
  • [21:21:01] <denix> koen: honest
  • [21:21:14] <jay6981> political power comes out of the barrel of a gun
  • [21:21:15] <Russ> there is basically nothing around the conference site, except ea games and oracle
  • [21:21:30] <denix> XorA: noted, thanks
  • [21:22:05] <denix> Russ: yeah, huge Oracle HQ
  • [21:22:08] <koen> denix: we'll need a "TI mirror" github account we can add to the various repos for auto-push
  • [21:22:24] <denix> koen: correct
  • [21:22:52] <mdp> denix, what? github? :P
  • [21:23:02] <denix> mdp: :P
  • [21:23:20] <denix> mdp: don't ask me, it wasn't my limitation :)
  • [21:23:58] <mdp> denix, at least I remained perfectly calm when informed of yet another constraint on productivity
  • [21:24:14] <mdp> "all is well!"
  • [21:24:52] <mdp> denix, the key is to hide it all in plain sight
  • [21:25:28] <Russ> surely the people working at ea games and oracle need a stiff drink from time to time
  • [21:25:40] <denix> life is one big constraint...
  • [21:25:55] <mdp> prpplague, oh, brew..so there's a BevMo! in redwood city???that definitely suggests having some akin to the old OLS scotch BOF
  • [21:26:09] <Tartarus> BevMo!++
  • [21:26:16] <denix> mdp: btw, be greatfull you are not @ oracle!
  • [21:26:29] <mdp> Tartarus, I was browsing their 1 hour pickup inventory online...convenient!
  • [21:26:42] <Tartarus> Indeed
  • [21:27:03] <mdp> Tartarus, out here in the corn fields, I have to go into the beer store to browse all the exotic bottles
  • [21:27:07] <Tartarus> It is nice to browse tho
  • [21:27:12] <mdp> yes
  • [21:27:19] <Tartarus> we went the other night after a successful dinner out with both kids
  • [21:27:26] <mdp> lol
  • [21:27:38] <mdp> I remember those days..I understand what you mean by "successful"
  • [21:28:07] <Tartarus> heh
  • [21:28:10] <Tartarus> It really was, pretty much
  • [21:28:18] <Tartarus> Gio was actually well behaved, ate his food
  • [21:28:25] <Tartarus> and Vivi didn't have a meltdown, so yay
  • [21:28:37] * XorA has found CA has good sources of good british beer
  • [21:28:39] <mdp> as opposed to throwing it?
  • [21:28:55] <Tartarus> as opposed to all of the options a 3 year old has
  • [21:29:08] <mdp> right
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  • [21:30:25] <mdp> XorA, I think the biggest problem these days is the assault of new beer every day now, there's not enough drinking hours in the day
  • [21:30:45] <XorA> mdp: I wont complain about that issue :-D
  • [21:30:58] <XorA> at least USA seems to have moved beyond Bud :-)
  • [21:31:04] <mdp> distribution in .us is outstanding for imports and then there's the 10 bazillionion micros
  • [21:31:04] <koen> yeah
  • [21:31:08] <koen> they have bud light now
  • [21:31:14] <mdp> bud platinum!
  • [21:31:22] <denix> ha!
  • [21:31:26] <mdp> beeradvocate.com reviews are hilarious
  • [21:31:35] <XorA> bud is manufactured in urinals :-D
  • [21:31:49] <mdp> kind of
  • [21:31:59] <koen> XorA: ever tried http://www.pyratrum.com/ ?
  • [21:31:59] <mdp> I've been on the brewery tour many times when at the Uni
  • [21:32:03] <mdp> since it was right nearby
  • [21:32:04] <woglinde> at least there is a hofbr??uhaus in las vegas
  • [21:32:37] <koen> zzz time again
  • [21:32:45] <woglinde> nite koen
  • [21:32:48] <XorA> koen: nope
  • [21:33:13] <mdp> XorA an olympic swimming pool sized urinal to be exact :)
  • [21:33:29] <prpplague> mdp: dandy
  • [21:34:15] <XorA> prpplague: drank all that harp larger yet?
  • [21:34:26] * XorA noticed its for sale in .ca as well
  • [21:34:30] <prpplague> XorA: hehe
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  • [21:34:50] <XorA> a whole new market of tramps to sell it to :-D
  • [21:35:01] <prpplague> XorA: was that what they offered us at the flying saucer that evening?
  • [21:35:07] <XorA> prpplague: yeah
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  • [21:35:13] <prpplague> XorA: ahh
  • [21:35:18] <XorA> when I upset the barmaid :-D
  • [21:35:51] <XorA> prpplague: everyone I have told that story to in UK has grimaced at the mention of harp larger :-D
  • [21:36:15] <prpplague> XorA: hehe
  • [21:39:31] * XorA also has a car with a built in GPS which appears to not know about 25% of USA streets
  • [21:39:35] <XorA> its bloody useless
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  • [21:46:53] <djlewis> XorA: how else would Bud keep that one of a kind flavor?
  • [21:50:04] <mdp> that statement could use some sartalics :P
  • [21:50:41] <mdp> XorA, having all the streets might intrude on our privacy
  • [21:51:13] <XorA> mdp: instead I shall just drive through your yard :-D
  • [21:51:43] <XorA> its really bad that I have to look up the address on my GPS then use that to work out some point this stupid GPS knows
  • [21:52:00] <XorA> I forgot to bring the car kit for my GPS :-(
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  • [21:54:21] <mdp> XorA, does your gps have tele atlas or navteq maps?
  • [21:54:58] <XorA> my personal one is co-pilot I dont know what maps that uses
  • [21:55:00] <mdp> the former, if updated recently is better around here, but still inferior to google's data
  • [21:55:26] <mdp> which I can't figure out since there was a deal for google to share back their data to tele atlas
  • [21:56:19] <mdp> I've noticed this because people find that the street ends before it reaches my house on navteq units and some tele atlas ones :)
  • [21:56:37] <mdp> among other issues when I've been around navteq-based map units..pretty bad
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  • [21:59:27] <mdp> XorA, stick with lat/long, more reliable
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  • [22:06:32] <XorA> google needs to introduce flat rate data worldwide :-D
  • [22:06:43] <XorA> then I could use google navigate :-D
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  • [22:09:04] <woglinde> xora you could use navit and make the maps yourself if needed via openstreetmap
  • [22:09:32] <XorA> woglinde: that works better in some places than others :D
  • [22:09:54] <XorA> woglinde: good maps in places with plenty of autistic nerds, not so good in places lacking :-D
  • [22:10:17] <XorA> woglinde: Edinburgh is luckilly a place with plenty of nerds and the maps are excellent
  • [22:10:42] * etheretic pubs (full moon, wooo!)
  • [22:10:46] <woglinde> YOU CAN MAKE THE MAP YOURSELF
  • [22:10:49] <woglinde> its not hard
  • [22:11:23] <woglinde> and its better than to wait for navteq to make it
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  • [22:11:35] <Mojito> Any BeagleBone power supplies cheaper than the $23 one from DigiKey? (993-1019-ND)
  • [22:12:01] <XorA> woglinde: its a bit hard to get accurate GPS coords on a flyover where you are not allowed to stop :-D
  • [22:12:31] <woglinde> hehe okay gps will fade out anyway the next years
  • [22:13:49] <XorA> with Ordnace survey map in hand that is very true :-D
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  • [22:14:14] <dioxin> yup, I got one for about $6 from my supplier of the beagle bone
  • [22:14:47] <Mojito> who is?
  • [22:15:17] <mdp> XorA, definitely helps .usians choose google nav with the flat data
  • [22:15:36] <Mojito> Ah, AdaFruit has a cheaper one
  • [22:16:08] <mdp> I do wish they had or _used_ the phonetic suggestion that other map data has
  • [22:16:10] <dioxin> Watterott is my supplier
  • [22:16:22] <mdp> I cringe at all the mispronunciations
  • [22:18:09] <XorA> hehe
  • [22:18:17] <XorA> goes rreally badly wrong on Scotland
  • [22:19:01] <dioxin> can't you use the mini-usb port for power as well?
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  • [22:22:21] <Mojito> I need to add wifi and BT USB things, which come to think of it need a port extender anyway, and if THAT is powered, then I need less power to the Bone itself. hmm
  • [22:22:56] <Mojito> But I think it dlows down to 500MHz under USB power
  • [22:22:59] <Mojito> slows
  • [22:23:06] <dioxin> yup
  • [22:23:21] <Mojito> I need the speed. Doing serious FP number crunching
  • [22:23:33] <dioxin> .... on a bone?
  • [22:23:44] <Mojito> Speech synthesis. Not all THAT serious...
  • [22:24:03] <dioxin> can you utilise the GPU for that?
  • [22:24:15] <dioxin> might be more effective
  • [22:24:30] <Mojito> That would be nice, since this thing is headless anyway. But I did not write the speech processing part
  • [22:24:40] <ka6sox> XorA, boy don't I know that.
  • [22:24:40] <dioxin> ahh
  • [22:24:49] <Mojito> Festival and Julius, both written in C
  • [22:24:59] <Mojito> Speech synthesis and recognition.
  • [22:25:15] <ka6sox> try to understand a Glaswegian. :D
  • [22:25:23] <dioxin> do you have a shield for the mic?
  • [22:25:30] <Mojito> Was going to use BT
  • [22:25:32] <XorA> ka6sox: plenty of lotches in Scotland according to computer speach :-D
  • [22:25:34] <dioxin> kk
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  • [22:25:49] <ka6sox> I'll bet.
  • [22:25:52] <Mojito> The idea is, you just need to be *near* the box,not wired to it.
  • [22:25:58] <XorA> Lotches Ness :-D
  • [22:26:16] <ka6sox> even the kingdome of fife
  • [22:26:55] <Mojito> But speech recognition is lousy from a distance.
  • [22:27:13] <dioxin> well a bluetooth headset would certain aid the process :D
  • [22:27:31] <Mojito> Besides, hearing what it says in your earphone instead of a loudspeaker reduces the annoyance factor for other people
  • [22:27:51] <woglinde> nite
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  • [22:27:57] <ka6sox> poof
  • [22:28:16] <dioxin> do you have your beagle bone yet? mine doesnt arrive until tomorrow
  • [22:28:26] <dioxin> and I've also got a pandaboard for playing with
  • [22:29:11] <Mojito> Looking at the order form now.....
  • [22:29:28] <dioxin> lol
  • [22:29:31] <Mojito> adafruit has a nnice clear plastic case shaped like a bone
  • [22:30:00] <dioxin> I'll need a custom case, as I'm attaching it to some form of shield
  • [22:30:25] <Mojito> This case looks like it has some headroom in it for a cape
  • [22:30:49] <Mojito> www.adafruit.com/products/699
  • [22:31:09] <dioxin> mine isnt so much of a cape.... as a separate PCB that has the same hole formation :D
  • [22:31:18] <dioxin> I'll be hooking them up via ethernet
  • [22:32:38] <Mojito> Once I add the USB port box, and the power supply, and the two dongles, it starts being not so compact. :(
  • [22:33:20] <dioxin> well I need to "attempt" to keep it compact and the power consumption low
  • [22:33:29] <dioxin> need to find a suitable battery pack too
  • [22:33:45] <Mojito> Just think of it as "the prototype".
  • [22:35:13] <dioxin> how long has the beaglebone been available? I'm looking to get hold of an FPGA cape too :D
  • [22:35:25] <Mojito> November?
  • [22:36:09] <dioxin> kk, still early days yet :D
  • [22:36:30] <dioxin> although I know of a FPGA USB device that costs around the same as the beagle :(
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  • [22:47:36] <Mojito> Yes, adafruit has one for $99
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  • [22:48:25] <ds2> prehaps maps should just refer to the ISO codes of each country. avoids all the pronunciation problems
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  • [22:50:31] <dioxin> that almost looks like plug and play into a bone :D
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  • [22:58:03] <emeb> dioxin: how about this: http://specialcomp.com/beaglebone/BeagleBone_FPGA.html
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  • [23:00:52] <emeb> Not out yet, but we're working on it...
  • [23:00:53] <dioxin> not in construction phase yet
  • [23:01:05] <emeb> I know - I designed it.
  • [23:01:18] <dioxin> estimated cost?
  • [23:01:39] <emeb> No idea what the retail price is.
  • [23:01:48] <emeb> Raw BOM cost is < $100
  • [23:01:54] <dioxin> BOM?
  • [23:02:01] <emeb> Bill Of Materials
  • [23:02:06] <dioxin> ouch :(
  • [23:02:33] <emeb> I'd like to see it go for about the same price as the Beaglebone.
  • [23:02:41] <dioxin> have you built any functional units yet?
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  • [23:02:59] <emeb> Still waiting for prototypes to come back from the mfg.
  • [23:03:15] <dioxin> eta?
  • [23:04:09] <emeb> Hoping to have something in a month or so.
  • [23:05:05] <mdp> ds2, and yet it still fails
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  • [23:05:40] <dioxin> I'll keep listening in
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  • [23:06:24] <emeb> I'll post more info as it develops.
  • [23:06:38] <emeb> What's your need date?
  • [23:06:58] <dioxin> when I get my head around FPGA's :D
  • [23:07:21] <dioxin> I'm just learning Embedded stuff, so I still have a long way to go
  • [23:07:33] <dioxin> but I like having the toys available if I need a change of pace
  • [23:07:36] <emeb> Heh. Not too hard to do. You might consider getting a low-end FPGA dev board.
  • [23:08:05] <jay6981> funky cold medina?
  • [23:08:14] <dioxin> I'm looking at a couple in the $100 range
  • [23:08:35] <emeb> Yeah - that seems to be about the minimum.
  • [23:08:52] <emeb> There were some in the $50 range, but they're not really available any more.
  • [23:08:53] <dioxin> my boss has a $2k model he is working with
  • [23:09:03] <dioxin> ($2k dev kit)
  • [23:09:16] <mdp> city here is short I
  • [23:09:40] <dioxin> I "could" drop that kind of cash in a month or two, but I dont think I would benefit over a $100 model
  • [23:10:06] <emeb> Yep. Seen this? http://www.xilinx.com/products/boards-and-kits/AES-S6MB-LX9.htm
  • [23:10:12] <dioxin> yes
  • [23:10:38] <emeb> or this: http://www.digilentinc.com/Products/Detail.cfm?NavPath=2,400,790&Prod=BASYS2
  • [23:11:28] <dioxin> http://www.buyaltera.com/scripts/partsearch.dll?Detail&name=P0082-ND in a similar price range
  • [23:11:51] <emeb> Yes. I've actually seen those used in products.
  • [23:12:12] <dioxin> but of these three, which is the highest performer?
  • [23:13:00] <emeb> Hmm. Good question.
  • [23:13:24] <emeb> I'd say the Spartan 6 board is > BASYS2
  • [23:13:36] <emeb> but I don't know how the Altera board compares.
  • [23:13:44] <dioxin> and the cyclone 4 vs spartan 6?
  • [23:14:01] <emeb> OTOH, if you want easy interfacing then the BASYS2 is pretty well set up.
  • [23:17:16] <emeb> Looks like the Cyclone 4 board has more logic than the Spartan 6
  • [23:17:45] <dioxin> cyclone looks like the sexier board from the plastic cover too :D
  • [23:18:02] <emeb> 22k logic cells vs 9k, 66 multipliers vs 16, 594k RAM vs 576k
  • [23:18:31] <emeb> More I/O pins too.
  • [23:18:53] <emeb> Any idea of what the Altera board costs?
  • [23:19:02] <emeb> (I think I saw $89 somewhere)
  • [23:19:17] <emeb> Ah - $87 right on the pg
  • [23:19:23] <dioxin> yup yup
  • [23:20:10] <emeb> I usually go for Xilinx, just due to inertia (have all the tools already) but Altera is good too.
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  • [23:21:23] <dioxin> I might go for the Altera if I can find a hole in my pocket :D
  • [23:22:38] <jay6981> does armada 618 really suck?
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  • [23:33:40] <mru> yes
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  • [23:42:12] <jay6981> guess i'll be finding out first hand soon enough
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