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  • [04:16:33] <jvcleave> anyone using this distro? trying to figure out how to ssh into Beaglebone with it installed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP
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  • [04:18:10] <jay6981> jvcleave: try #ubuntu
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  • [04:25:54] <jvcleave> anyone using this distro? trying to figure out how to ssh into Beaglebone with it installed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP
  • [04:29:27] <jvcleave> looking at this page
  • [04:29:30] <jvcleave> http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/arm/beaglebone/install.xml
  • [04:29:52] <jvcleave> Due to a bug on the USB driver used in the beaglebone, once you unplug the first USB device, it won't detect any new USB device.
  • [04:29:52] <jvcleave> The quick fix to make the USB port work again, you must do:
  • [04:29:53] <jvcleave> # echo F > /proc/driver/musb_hdrc.1
  • [04:30:03] <jvcleave> Is that still true?
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  • [06:19:34] <_av500_> why not just try it?
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  • [06:20:17] <aholler> /
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  • [06:37:20] <Guest43329> hi, may i know how to rebuild kernel for beagleboard? what is the software I need and if there is any tutorial that I could follow on? :)
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  • [06:50:01] <aholler> you need a native gcc for arm or a cross-gcc and, obviously, the kernel
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  • [06:51:08] <aholler> you might try compiling a kernel for a pc first, then start with building one for the beagle.
  • [06:51:37] <aholler> getting linux-experience is much easier using a pc than a beagle
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  • [07:34:27] <av500> http://blog.makezine.com/2012/01/30/electro-wire-stripper/
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  • [08:10:53] <koen> DJWillis: every ES rev has its own package now, so the old ES2 will stay in the feeds
  • [08:12:17] <DJWillis> koen: ahhh, ok, little harder to work out for an 'on device' image that won't nessessarly have net access but that makes perfect sense :D.
  • [08:14:34] <koen> DJWillis: the revision script might need to fixup some extra symlinks, but the binaries are available, which is the important thing
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  • [08:19:39] <DJWillis> koen: yep, I can work with that ;). Thanks.
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  • [09:18:47] <dwery> jkridner: hi! I need to update the cape's google docs and I've been told to ask you ;)
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  • [09:25:11] <av500> maybe shipping the bone in a tin can was not such a good idea since users seem to assume they can just drop it inside and run it...
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  • [09:49:13] <juhsis> i have a big problem... Yesterday i wrote "opkg upgrade" but today when i came it was not installed, instead somewhere at installation 'killed' was written. And now 'lsmod' result is nothing..
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  • [09:50:28] <juhsis> what can i do now?
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  • [10:31:49] <jkridner> dwery: http://beagleboard.org/bone has a list of capes and link where you can add one.
  • [10:32:01] <jkridner> if you need to change an entry, yeah, I'm the guy.
  • [10:34:38] <dwery> jkridner: yes, I need to change the status.. our can cape is in production now
  • [10:34:56] <dwery> and the link: http://www.towertech.it/en/products/hardware/tt3201-can-cape/
  • [10:35:46] <dwery> btw it would be fine if the capes could get some space on beagleboard.org/bone
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  • [10:41:22] <tacticus> dwery: interesting cape
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  • [10:43:38] <dwery> tacticus: ty. it's working nicely
  • [10:44:25] <tacticus> i wonder if theres a way to get that to talk to nmea2000 devices
  • [10:44:38] <tacticus> that would make lif very interesitng for me
  • [10:44:42] <dwery> nmea200 should be can based
  • [10:44:51] <dwery> let me check
  • [10:45:00] <tacticus> it is
  • [10:45:10] <tacticus> but i don't think there is a nice open implementation of it
  • [10:45:34] <dwery> at the wire level, the cape will work, you'll have to find some J1939 implementation
  • [10:45:57] <tacticus> are you going to be able to ship to .au :)
  • [10:46:00] <dwery> so you have a yacht with nmea2000? :D
  • [10:46:07] <tacticus> uncle does
  • [10:46:18] <dwery> good uncle :D
  • [10:46:22] <dwery> yes, we can ship it
  • [10:46:23] <tacticus> 500USD for a compass just insults me though
  • [10:46:27] <dwery> ouch!
  • [10:46:53] <tacticus> yep :\
  • [10:47:08] <tacticus> though really i think all that would get used for is to pull data to log it
  • [10:47:27] <dwery> mmm... maybe the price of the cape can be increased if NMEA2000 gets written on the pcb :D
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  • [11:02:14] <K-4U> Sooo, anybody here with a working Xorg.conf or any idea how to configure it?
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  • [11:07:08] <jkridner> dwery: please check the updated entry
  • [11:09:48] <dwery> jkridner: the link is still the old one
  • [11:10:30] <jkridner> k, one more time. thanks.
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  • [11:11:13] <dwery> perfect, ty.
  • [11:11:51] <jkridner> I guess there is no standard CAN connector?
  • [11:12:19] <jkridner> for my FIRST team, it would have been cool to have the RJ45 on there that matched the one on the Jaguar motor controllers.
  • [11:13:17] <dwery> jkridner: standard, no. sometimes a DB9 is used on boards, but you won't find it in the veichles
  • [11:13:22] <jkridner> on github.com/jadonk/bonescript in the eeprom2 branch, there are some tools for completing the eeprom contents.
  • [11:13:43] <dwery> I'll give it a look, ty.
  • [11:13:47] <jkridner> I don't know if you have got the EEPROM contents with the pin muxes done.
  • [11:14:09] <dwery> not yet, I was waiting for kernel support
  • [11:14:22] <jkridner> also, koen can put the patch to support the board into the demo image if it gets sent to him via meta-ti in the proper format.
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  • [11:14:55] <jkridner> k. koen has some basic kernel support for the eeprom detection now. not cleaned up for upstream submission though.
  • [11:15:02] <dwery> we'using the SPI bus, I guess that our patch would conflict with others
  • [11:15:15] <jkridner> for your EEPROM?
  • [11:15:26] <dwery> no, for the CAN controllers
  • [11:15:29] <jkridner> ah...
  • [11:15:39] <jkridner> the detection should keep it from conflicting....
  • [11:15:45] <dwery> hope so ;)
  • [11:16:05] <dwery> the dcan driver is also buggy. we fixed it, but saw that TI has a new version in theri bsp
  • [11:16:16] <jkridner> guess you don't use spider.
  • [11:16:36] <dwery> uhm.. what's spider? :D
  • [11:16:56] <jkridner> urgh???. stupid colloquy
  • [11:17:43] <dwery> :)
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  • [11:17:57] <dwery> the can utils in angostrom are also the old ones
  • [11:18:15] <jkridner> k. thanks for all patches.
  • [11:19:30] <dwery> I'll send them to koen and see if/how they can be integrated
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  • [11:52:09] <juhsis> Where to set loading kernel module at startup?
  • [11:52:37] * etheretic wibbles muchly at http://radargadgets.com/index.htm (120??? AIS receiver)
  • [11:53:25] <mru> it probably runs on free energy, makes it cheaper
  • [11:54:03] <etheretic> mru: can't help youself, can you? :D
  • [11:54:22] <mru> more worryingly, can't seem to help you
  • [11:55:20] <etheretic> bother to put your preconceptions aside, investigate a bit on your own. go off the beaten path.
  • [11:57:00] <etheretic> the above means that the 1000$ goal for the LinCruiser (or whatever) is a notch closer to realism.
  • [11:57:21] <mru> I didn't know you cared about realism
  • [11:57:33] <mru> it's much easier to just believe
  • [11:57:41] <etheretic> indeed.
  • [11:58:40] <etheretic> the majority has never been right about anything fundamental throughout known history. ever.
  • [11:59:05] <mru> yes, scientists are sadly a minority
  • [11:59:29] * av500 reminds people that we have not yet reached friday
  • [11:59:32] <etheretic> seriously afflicted by groupthink.
  • [12:00:07] <av500> what use is that above gadget?
  • [12:00:26] * etheretic flagwaviums at av500
  • [12:01:02] <av500> ah, there is one for ships too
  • [12:01:11] <mru> av500: I suppose it receives some messages broadcast by ships/planes
  • [12:01:13] <etheretic> aye.
  • [12:01:29] <av500> mru: yes, but why a gadget when there are websites that provide that....
  • [12:02:12] <mru> websites are 1) not realtime, and 2) not accessible at sea
  • [12:02:33] <etheretic> mru: spot on.
  • [12:02:36] <av500> mru: yes, the ship one makes sense, but the plane one is useless
  • [12:02:51] <mru> av500: not for use in a plane
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  • [12:03:01] <av500> its not like you stand a chance to run into a plane in your living room
  • [12:03:05] <etheretic> av500: i was referring to the marine gadget.
  • [12:03:06] <mru> if you're flying about in the sky it's nice to know what's around you
  • [12:04:09] <av500> I hope people flying around are not constantly looking at a laptop :)=
  • [12:05:07] <etheretic> bet it costs no more than 20??? from factory, if ordered in bulk.
  • [12:05:25] <mru> av500: it could sound an alarm if something is too close or on a collision course
  • [12:05:40] <av500> mru: the ship one, yes
  • [12:05:47] <mru> and why not the plane one?
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  • [12:06:12] <mru> that's why planes send out those messages in the first place
  • [12:06:13] <etheretic> it can be interfaced with OpenCPN which runs on the Beagleboard.
  • [12:06:19] <av500> because it would scare me to know that people rely on this :)
  • [12:06:35] <mru> no sane pilot would _rely_ on it
  • [12:06:36] <av500> there is always ATC and sidewinders
  • [12:07:15] <mru> but as an added safety measure, it can't do any harm
  • [12:07:47] <mru> do you use a seat belt when driving?
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  • [12:07:55] <juhsis> Where to set loading kernel module at startup?
  • [12:08:18] <etheretic> http://www.chartsandtides.co.uk/chartplotter/gpsdongle may be more relevant/specific.
  • [12:08:30] <mru> juhsis: in the configuration file your distro uses for that purpose
  • [12:08:48] <juhsis> i am asking for that file
  • [12:09:19] <juhsis> i use angstrom 3.0.14+
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  • [12:13:18] <juhsis> mru : ^
  • [12:13:37] <mru> you're better off asking koen
  • [12:14:01] <juhsis> so koen : ^
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  • [12:21:02] <juhsis> i think koen is not here, anyone else know this?
  • [12:21:07] <tasslehoffwrk> anyone know a clever way to find out what (uart, timer, pwron) was the source of a suspend wakeup?
  • [12:21:32] <sundar_> juhsis, write a script and place it under /etc/rc5.d
  • [12:21:51] <tasslehoffwrk> I have a stupid way to find out if it was a timer :)
  • [12:21:55] <sundar_> the name should start with Sxx
  • [12:22:06] <sundar_> where xx is a number
  • [12:22:13] <juhsis> like s01?
  • [12:22:20] <juhsis> sorry S01
  • [12:22:26] <sundar_> like S25myscript
  • [12:22:29] <sundar_> yeah
  • [12:22:57] <mru> isn't there already some startup script that loads a list of modules?
  • [12:22:59] <sundar_> the number defines the order of script execution
  • [12:23:11] <mru> so primitive
  • [12:23:35] <juhsis> ok sundar_ thx much
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  • [12:23:56] <sundar_> as mru said, there is an easier way to do this
  • [12:24:09] <ogra_> probably /etc/modules ?
  • [12:24:16] <sundar_> depends on the rootfs you use
  • [12:24:28] <juhsis> 3.0.14+ my kernel
  • [12:24:29] <sundar_> also on the init
  • [12:24:33] <mru> dig around /etc and see what you find
  • [12:24:39] <sundar_> init scripts*
  • [12:24:50] <juhsis> sundar_ doesnt work..
  • [12:25:25] <sundar_> juhsis, which one
  • [12:25:35] <juhsis> i create "vi S01modprobe" under /etc/rc5.d
  • [12:25:46] <juhsis> and inside i write "modprobe g_ether"
  • [12:26:02] <juhsis> but it didnt load at startup
  • [12:27:00] <sundar_> for modprobe to work you need to the module dependencies
  • [12:27:42] <juhsis> ?
  • [12:28:21] <sundar_> you need execution permission for the file you created
  • [12:28:33] <juhsis> aah ok
  • [12:28:43] <sundar_> second you need module dependencies for modprobe to work correctly
  • [12:29:40] <juhsis> g_ether doesnt need any other module, as i know..
  • [12:30:33] <sundar_> then use insmod its simple
  • [12:31:46] <mru> always use modprobe
  • [12:32:06] <mru> and just find the file with auto-loaded modules and add it
  • [12:32:12] <mru> there has to be one somewhere
  • [12:32:15] <mru> every distro has one
  • [12:32:16] <juhsis> sundar_ : when i write after startup ./S01modprobe
  • [12:32:31] <juhsis> it loads modules but still dont loads at startup
  • [12:33:01] <juhsis> mru : i am seeking for it nearly last 1 hour
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  • [12:33:55] * ogra_ would just try creating /etc/modules and drop a line with "g_ether" in it
  • [12:33:59] <av500> wow, one hour
  • [12:34:07] <av500> that must be a record
  • [12:34:32] <juhsis> :)
  • [12:36:30] <juhsis> ogra_ doesnt work
  • [12:36:55] <av500> of course he does not work
  • [12:37:14] <juhsis> :)
  • [12:37:16] <av500> he just hangs out on irc like the rest of us
  • [12:37:18] <sundar_> lol
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  • [12:38:37] <juhsis> av500 : do you know ?
  • [12:39:02] <av500> I would have suggested something like the above
  • [12:39:14] <ogra_> hmm, i always thought /etc/modules was an upstream default from module-init-tools (kerneltools.org)
  • [12:39:49] <ogra_> seems i'm either wrong or angstrom doesnt use module-init-tools
  • [12:40:08] <av500> juhsis: do you see other scripts in etc/rc.something?
  • [12:40:15] <juhsis> yes
  • [12:40:19] <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/19
  • [12:40:22] <av500> so, add yours
  • [12:40:40] <av500> maybe you are no in runlevel 5...
  • [12:40:42] <av500> not
  • [12:40:42] <sundar_> juhsis, under which runlevel have you put your script
  • [12:40:42] <juhsis> i added
  • [12:40:53] <juhsis> 5
  • [12:41:09] <juhsis> how can i learn which level am i in?
  • [12:41:49] <av500> https://www.google.com/search?q=find+out+runlevel
  • [12:42:20] <sundar_> if you have the runlevel command, run it
  • [12:42:29] <sundar_> or see /etc/inittab
  • [12:42:38] <mru> but why are you messing with init scripts?
  • [12:42:42] <juhsis> ok it was 1 ..
  • [12:42:45] <mru> JUST ADD THE MODULE TO THE LIST
  • [12:42:54] <mru> runlevel 1 wtf?
  • [12:43:18] <sundar_> what you need is to know how to google rather than getting answers for thousand little trivial questions
  • [12:43:31] <av500> enjoy runlevels before lennart makes them go away....
  • [12:43:51] <ogra_> or convince koen to use something sane :P
  • [12:43:53] <juhsis> av500 : i copy my script to rc1.d
  • [12:43:58] <juhsis> but still not works
  • [12:44:37] <av500> and it executable?
  • [12:44:40] <ogra_> you used the right format (with start and stop etc ?
  • [12:45:16] <ogra_> probably systemd ignores it if its not written in the right way
  • [12:45:30] <av500> ogra_: that would imply looking into one of the existing ones
  • [12:45:30] <juhsis> i used google : but in every webpage they said init modules is in "somewhere i dont have" and "somewhere doesnt works"
  • [12:45:49] <juhsis> av500 : yes it is
  • [12:45:54] <ogra_> av500, indeed, i was blantly assuming he had done that (or googled for the right format before)
  • [12:46:03] <juhsis> when i write "./S01modprobe"
  • [12:46:06] <juhsis> it loads
  • [12:46:34] <sundar_> cos it just executes your insmod command wriiten in
  • [12:47:39] <av500> juhsis: did or did you not compare it to existing scripts?
  • [12:47:40] <juhsis> i mean even though it loads with "./S01modprobe" it doesnt load at bootup..
  • [12:47:42] <sundar_> like ogra_ said, you need start) case
  • [12:47:51] <av500> and if not, why not?
  • [12:48:34] <sundar_> paste your file
  • [12:49:40] <juhsis> av500 : they are long scripts..
  • [12:50:36] <juhsis> modprobe g_ether
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  • [13:59:59] <etheretic> anyone from Always Innovating here?
  • [14:00:15] <mru> sometimes
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  • [14:03:39] <av500> sometimes innovating...
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  • [14:06:27] <koen> always something?
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  • [14:10:45] <sergio> Does it take long to load the kernel? I'm trying to boot archlinux, the monitor shows me a penguin on a black screen
  • [14:10:52] <sergio> (for 15m already)
  • [14:10:56] <sergio> no text
  • [14:11:20] <sergio> microsd light is blincking
  • [14:11:29] <sergio> blinking
  • [14:12:13] <etheretic> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com
  • [14:12:19] <av500> yes
  • [14:13:57] <etheretic> make their touchbook weatherproof, add a few features, and voila; the LInCruiser! :D
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  • [14:14:40] <ogra_> will making it wetherproof also mean it wont fall on its lid all the time ?
  • [14:15:17] <mru> ogra_: if you add some inertial stabilisers, sure
  • [14:15:20] <av500> ogra_: depends on how many sheets of stainless steel you weld on
  • [14:15:40] <ogra_> mru, you mean beyond the taped in lead bars it already has ?
  • [14:15:41] <av500> and where
  • [14:16:12] <ogra_> (which loosen after a few weeks of usage)
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  • [14:16:22] <etheretic> ogra_: not a problem - it'd be mounted on the cabin wall facing the cockpit.
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  • [14:17:25] <av500> it will make the boat capsize then
  • [14:17:34] <etheretic> P
  • [14:17:36] <ogra_> heh, yeah
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  • [14:18:37] <ogra_> though the lead bars are just attached with double sided tape, easy to remove
  • [14:18:47] <etheretic> these are mawkish comments.
  • [14:18:55] <ogra_> (or just use it for a week and they fall off on their own)
  • [14:19:12] <ogra_> (rattling around inside the case)
  • [14:19:17] <av500> etheretic: now you made me google
  • [14:19:33] <etheretic> ...
  • [14:21:17] <etheretic> ogra_: i'm speaking of possibly using the tb as a starting point. the result would have little in common with the vanilla tb.
  • [14:21:47] <ogra_> well, why not just use a proper tablet then ?
  • [14:22:11] <etheretic> thet're expensive and power hungry.
  • [14:22:16] <etheretic> y
  • [14:22:16] <av500> ?
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  • [14:25:06] <etheretic> the capacity of a 120Ah boat battery is limited.
  • [14:26:27] <etheretic> product i'm thinking of is aimed at <30ft sailboats.
  • [14:26:53] <dwery> etheretic: sailboats?
  • [14:27:11] <etheretic> dwery: aye.
  • [14:27:52] <dwery> what are you going to place on a sailboat?
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  • [14:28:14] <etheretic> primarily. can obviously be used aboard mb's too (power consumption is less of an issue).
  • [14:28:49] <etheretic> dwery: a low-cost Linux-based navigation system.
  • [14:29:44] <etheretic> low-cost=1000-1200???/$.
  • [14:30:33] <dwery> that would be nice. how about the maps?
  • [14:30:41] <etheretic> obviouly, it can be used as a normal laptop/notebook too.
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  • [14:33:22] <av500> etheretic: use an android tablet
  • [14:33:46] <etheretic> av500: they aren't watertight.
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  • [14:33:59] <mru> wrap it in plastic
  • [14:34:01] <av500> and which ones are?
  • [14:34:31] <av500> so use the guts of an android tablet inside a watertight enclosure
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  • [14:34:42] <etheretic> av500: the box i'm thinking of will (must) be.
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  • [14:35:44] <etheretic> for it to be usable under harsh/wet/salty conditions.
  • [14:35:58] <av500> are you buying or building?
  • [14:36:01] <etheretic> no hacks.
  • [14:36:28] <etheretic> want to have it built so i can buy it.
  • [14:36:54] <av500> ah
  • [14:37:03] <dwery> etheretic: if you need an nmea200 interface, drop me a note ;)
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  • [14:37:53] <etheretic> there's a big market for such a product. 10000s of "nutshells" which'd love to have one.
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  • [14:38:41] <dwery> etheretic: how about the maps?
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  • [14:39:24] <etheretic> dwery: they're open source. or you can buy them. sd card.
  • [14:39:37] <dwery> etheretic: open source navigation maps?
  • [14:40:07] <etheretic> dwery: the box would certainly benefit from a NMEA port or two.
  • [14:40:36] <dwery> etheretic: I just built a can bus cape for the beaglebone. nmea2000 is can based.
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  • [14:41:36] <etheretic> dwery: yes - http://map.openseamap.org/map/index.php?lang=en
  • [14:43:02] <dwery> etheretic: quite nice.. I guess they do not qualify as electronic charts as per law requirements, but it's a nice addition
  • [14:43:07] <koen> dwery: ah, you're still with towertech
  • [14:43:18] <dwery> koen: yep
  • [14:43:37] <koen> dwery: I almost added a "PS: does Alessandro still work there?" to the mail I sent this morning
  • [14:44:06] * koen checks
  • [14:44:16] <koen> 12:42, so s/morning/afternoon/
  • [14:44:20] <dwery> koen: the spam filter got your email
  • [14:44:21] <dwery> :D
  • [14:44:24] <etheretic> dwery: they'll develop towards professional standards.
  • [14:45:19] <koen> dwery: should I resend it?
  • [14:45:21] <dwery> koen: will get back to you later today with that email
  • [14:45:26] <koen> thanks!
  • [14:46:04] <dwery> the spam filtered emails are checked as well
  • [14:46:12] <dwery> unless they get rejected at smtp level
  • [14:48:15] <dwery> etheretic: I'm downloading the ipad app :D
  • [14:48:30] <etheretic> yo bro.
  • [14:48:53] <dwery> i've got navionics too, quite well made
  • [14:49:31] <etheretic> importance is that they're vector, imo.
  • [14:49:37] <dwery> yes
  • [14:49:46] <etheretic> scaleable/editable.
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  • [14:50:38] <dwery> koen: the patch is based on v3.1-meta-ti-r2f+gitr1d84d8853fa30cf3db2571a5aec572accca4e29d
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  • [14:54:40] <av500> etheretic: this one looks rugged: http://www.aceeca.com/products/product_overview.php/cPath/24/products_id/17
  • [14:55:05] <dwery> I worked with aceeca products for a while.. their palmos unit was pretty nice
  • [14:55:29] <av500> i got it from reading your website :)
  • [14:55:32] <dwery> we are still on their partners page :D
  • [14:55:38] <dwery> XD
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  • [14:55:54] <av500> I like "...Palm OS?? is the leading operating system for the handheld market, covering more than the 80% of sold devices..."
  • [14:56:06] <dwery> a bit outdated, isn't it? :D
  • [14:56:10] <av500> on your website :)
  • [14:56:24] <dwery> I'll drop a note to the webmaster
  • [14:56:40] <av500> if he has not retired :)
  • [14:56:57] <dwery> years ago you could interface a lot of thins on the aceeca devices :(
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  • [14:57:19] * av500 still has a stack of 7 PalmOS developer training DVDs...
  • [14:57:34] <dwery> it was the only expandable palmos platform since the demise of the springboard based devices
  • [14:57:45] <ogra_> av500, sell them to HP then :)
  • [14:57:54] * av500 looks at the french Visor on his desk
  • [14:58:01] <av500> ogra_: yeah
  • [14:58:21] <dwery> I think they still sell palmos based units, but I wonder what the market share is
  • [14:58:32] <etheretic> its screen is a bit on the small side for navs/general usage.
  • [14:58:35] <av500> access tried to sell us palm a few years back
  • [14:58:40] <av500> we politely declined
  • [14:59:03] <av500> not the whole "palm", just a license :)
  • [14:59:32] <dwery> I believe there's android on their roadmap
  • [14:59:55] <av500> etheretic: http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/10/motorola-unveils-rugged-et1-android-tablet-for-enterprise-types/
  • [14:59:56] <koen> face-palm
  • [15:00:19] <av500> http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/16/panasonic-unveils-android-toughbook-slate-for-q4-sledgehammer-s/
  • [15:00:58] <av500> http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Raptor-ID-RapidOne-and-RapidPad/
  • [15:01:36] <dwery> etheretic: the app in in german :(
  • [15:02:01] <dwery> pretty unusable on th eiphone with that overlay in the middle of the screen
  • [15:02:01] <etheretic> av500: its form factor is very close to what i'm thinking of.
  • [15:02:26] <etheretic> dwery: didn't ask u to dl anything. 8)
  • [15:02:44] <dwery> :D
  • [15:02:55] <dwery> just ranting
  • [15:03:44] <etheretic> "less than 1000$" sounds promising. but that's without built-in GPS/AIS.
  • [15:04:42] <av500> sp it will $1000+
  • [15:04:44] <av500> so
  • [15:04:55] <etheretic> but motorola isn't very open-anything.
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  • [15:10:01] <av500> etheretic: so you want an open, NMEA, GPS, AIS and rugged tablet for <$1000
  • [15:10:16] <dwery> that sounds like a plan :D
  • [15:10:36] <etheretic> av500: if doable.
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  • [15:11:20] <etheretic> av500: u forgot "low power demand" - that's crucial.
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  • [15:14:24] <av500> etheretic: right
  • [15:15:04] <etheretic> av500: sound ambitious/impossible (at that price)?
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  • [15:15:56] <av500> not impossible
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  • [15:16:23] <av500> but i fear your will not make this happen by pure willpower....
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  • [15:17:14] <etheretic> the software is the lowest cost (0), the ruggedness ~+30-50% of what youd expect for a similar but non-rugged.
  • [15:17:41] <etheretic> av500: i know. count on the butterfly effect. :D
  • [15:18:50] <av500> why not use the emacs command?
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  • [15:19:05] <etheretic> erk, out of coffee. must procure. bbl.
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  • [15:19:25] <av500> NishanthMenon: no trolling
  • [15:19:35] <NishanthMenon> av500, :)
  • [15:19:53] <NishanthMenon> av500, after all the learnings about ohm's law... could'nt resist ;)
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  • [15:25:39] <parana> my kernel is 3.0.14+
  • [15:26:50] <av500> parana: juhsis had the same issue...
  • [15:27:01] <parana> :) i am also juhsis
  • [15:27:39] <parana> my irc client switches names sometimes..
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  • [15:36:30] <Justin____> Is anyone here familiar with gst-openmax?
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  • [15:37:48] <Justin____> Is anyone here familiar with gst-openmax?
  • [15:40:28] <parana> av500 : is it everytime get much time to do something in angstrom or in beagleboard? or is it specific for me ?:)
  • [15:42:43] <av500> I can't say
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  • [16:03:35] <parana> i have been trying to find how to load g_ether module at startup from this morning on... Do you know how?
  • [16:05:03] <parana> av500 : what is u-boot for? may be i should put it there..
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  • [16:11:24] <parana> av500 : what is u-boot for? may be i should put it there..
  • [16:11:40] <etheretic> more ppl on #beagle.
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  • [16:52:14] <spacecolonyone> hi guys, anyone willing to offer some guidance on getting the mainline 3.2.2 kernel up and running on a beagle xm rev c using bitbake? I've got a basic familiarity with the tools and I suspect what I need to do is create a recipe for the 3.2.2 kernel but I'm not sure.
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  • [17:49:38] <tholm> cat /sys/devices/platform/omapdss/display0/timings
  • [17:49:38] <tholm> 74250,1280/110/220/40,720/5/20/5
  • [17:49:38] <tholm> I executed that command and I got those numbers. what does that mean?
  • [17:49:38] <tholm> Actually i wanna know what does 74250 mean?
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  • [17:50:21] <tholm> is that the pixel clock? or something like that
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  • [17:52:51] <mru> that looks like pixel clock in kHz
  • [17:53:57] <tholm> oh thx i got those number on Angstrom's distro
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  • [17:55:23] <tholm> but when i try to do echo "74250,1280/110/220/40,720/5/20/5" > /sys/devices/platform/omapdss/display0/timings on ubuntu that pixel clock is only 7200
  • [17:55:40] <tholm> i mean that is the max value
  • [17:55:58] <tholm> do you have any idea why?
  • [17:57:50] <mru> do you mean 72000?
  • [17:58:20] <tholm> sry yes i do
  • [18:02:03] <mru> does your kernel have CONFIG_OMAP2_DSS_DSI set?
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  • [18:04:32] <tholm> Im using rcn-ee's distro
  • [18:05:01] <mru> I haven't memorised his configuration
  • [18:05:11] <tholm> let me see
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  • [18:06:09] <rcn-ee> yeap. ;) CONFIG_OMAP2_DSS_DSI=y
  • [18:06:32] <mru> then that's not it
  • [18:07:00] <mru> compare the various OMAP2_DSS options between the kernels
  • [18:07:05] <tholm> hi rcn-ee
  • [18:08:01] <rcn-ee> hi tholm, care to test a patch, i don't have a montor that needs (so can't test it), it but this might fix it for you: http://git.angstrom-distribution.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/meta-texasinstruments/tree/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-3.0/beagle/0011-beagleboard-reinstate-usage-of-hi-speed-PLL-divider.patch
  • [18:08:40] <mru> what clock source does it use without that?
  • [18:09:23] <rcn-ee> i belive the slow very limited one..
  • [18:10:03] <tholm> rcn-ee: sry but i need to recompile the kernel?
  • [18:10:33] <rcn-ee> yeah. ;) but if you give me a few minutes, you'd just have to wait for the download. .;)
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  • [18:11:02] <tholm> oh many thx :-D
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  • [18:11:44] <rcn-ee> not problem.. I've been eyeing the patch for a few days, as i know some monitor don't work with my kernel setup.. But all my monitors work, so i haven't been able to test it personally. ;)
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  • [18:17:04] <spacecolonyone> Hi rcn-ee
  • [18:17:24] <rcn-ee> hello
  • [18:17:24] <spacecolonyone> I've been eyeing your repo on github
  • [18:17:46] <rcn-ee> fork away ;)
  • [18:17:58] <spacecolonyone> the v4l guys have advised me I should start work from mainline on my camera driver for the beagle xm
  • [18:18:12] <spacecolonyone> so I'm trying to get 3.2.2 built
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  • [18:18:45] <rcn-ee> is it erroring out or?
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  • [18:19:19] <spacecolonyone> heh, it will be nice when I'm to the poit things are that simple. I'm still at the for, uh, lets see... "man git / fork" read read read stage
  • [18:20:12] <spacecolonyone> oh, nothing of the sort, first things first I've got to create a recipe and gather the appropriate beaglexm patches
  • [18:20:54] <rcn-ee> right now, mainline is in pretty good shape for the xm, the biggest set of patchset i have, is just the expansion board stuff..
  • [18:20:56] <spacecolonyone> I was more just hoping to pick your brain to see if there were any specific patches you knew were critical in getting 3.2.2 up on the xm
  • [18:22:32] <spacecolonyone> My understanding is that I still need to patch the board file to enable the vaux3 * 4 for the camera expansion header.
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  • [18:23:57] <spacecolonyone> so since there isn't a recipe at present I guess I should submit it when I write it?
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  • [18:25:18] <chaos_> hi, can someone help me about how to compile code for beagleboard? I installed ubuntu on my beagleboard and i just want to write arm assembly code and run it
  • [18:26:02] <chaos_> my board version is C4
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  • [18:29:29] <chaos_> hi , can someone help me about how to compile code for beagleboard? I installed ubuntu on my beagleboard and i just want to write arm assembly code and run it
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  • [18:34:33] <rcn-ee> tholm, can you give the uImage/modules here a try: http://rcn-ee.homeip.net:81/testing/3.2-hi-speed-PLL/ (just rename the *.uImage as uImage in your boot and extract the modules to the rootfs) Ps, sorry it's a cable modem, so little slow..
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  • [18:35:23] <tholm> dont worry ;-) thx
  • [18:35:52] <rcn-ee> spacecolonyone, is for that leapord board camera or a something else?
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  • [18:42:05] <koen> rcn-ee: https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/meta-ti/blob/master/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-3.0/beagle/0011-beagleboard-reinstate-usage-of-hi-speed-PLL-divider.patch ?
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  • [18:42:48] <rcn-ee> koen, that's for a much faster pixel clock right?
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  • [18:57:29] <spacecolonyone> rcn-ee: this is for a built-from-scratch imager that is composed of a FPGA, a pair of 4 channel muxing 8bit ADCs and 8 Hamamatsu linear CMOS arrays. When you are building an astronomical spectrograph you wind up with rather custom needs ;). I'll be using the ccdc in raw 8-bit parallel grayscale cam_pclk will be 80MHz which means the cam_fclk needs to be >=160MHz, cam_mclk will probably be 80MHz.
  • [18:57:59] <rcn-ee> spacecolonyone, that sounds cool
  • [18:58:15] <spacecolonyone> oh, it also has an i2c-2-parallel chip since the module has to be controlled over i2c
  • [18:59:47] <spacecolonyone> Thanks, hellishly intimidating though. this is my first time mucking with linux in any serious fashion and my embedded experience is limited to avr-gcc!
  • [19:01:22] <spacecolonyone> koen, would it be helpful for me to try and write my recipe for 3.2.2 i a nice, neat way with the intent of submitting it for inclusion in meta-ti?
  • [19:01:49] <tholm> [ 4.262268] omapfb omapfb: no driver for display: lcd
  • [19:01:49] <tholm> [ 4.267669] omapfb omapfb: cannot parse default modes
  • [19:01:52] <tholm> rcn-ee:
  • [19:02:00] <tholm> something is wrong
  • [19:02:18] <tholm> Kernel command line: console=ttyO2,115200n8 console=tty0 mpurate=auto buddy=none buddy2=none camera=none vram=16M omapfb.mode=dvi :640x480MR-16@60 omapdss.def_disp=dvi root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 ro rootfstype=ext4 rootwait fixrtc
  • [19:02:42] <rcn-ee> ........^^^^ there's a space there..
  • [19:02:51] <tholm> oopd
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  • [19:08:28] <rcn-ee> koen, so far i really like the musb drivers in v3.2-staging for the bone.. So far it's so much more solid swapping usb devices.. ;)
  • [19:09:04] <tholm> rcn-ee: i used the new kernel and i didnt work. so I tried with 3.1.6-x6( original) and work again.
  • [19:09:41] <tholm> same uEnv.txt on both boot
  • [19:10:06] <rcn-ee> humm very strange..
  • [19:10:12] <tholm> yep
  • [19:13:00] <tholm> um I only see this difference omapfb omapfb: no driver for display: lcd <<<--- new kernel
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  • [19:19:45] <koen> rcn-ee: yes, for the pixclock
  • [19:20:05] <koen> rcn-ee: I have 3.2 working on bone with the capes and adc
  • [19:20:16] <koen> rcn-ee: debugging PWM problems right now
  • [19:20:56] <rcn-ee> yeap, saw that this morning, and pulled in... I was having fun with the touchscreen changes last night.. ;)
  • [19:23:05] <koen> I think I'll remove the pwm stuff and then propose the update
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  • [19:23:35] <rcn-ee> i'd say for the usb bus alone, it's well worth it...
  • [19:23:43] <ds2> koen: what's the PWM for?
  • [19:24:00] <koen> ds2: backlight
  • [19:24:06] <ds2> Oh that PWM
  • [19:24:18] <ds2> thought you got the AM33x's PWM going
  • [19:24:20] <koen> PSP only hooked up ecap for backlight
  • [19:24:24] <koen> but CCO uses ehrpwm
  • [19:24:31] <ds2> CCO?
  • [19:24:35] <koen> circuitco
  • [19:24:43] <ds2> oh
  • [19:24:46] <koen> am33x has 2 kind of pwms, ecap and ehrpwm
  • [19:25:00] <tholm> rcn-ee: work!!!
  • [19:25:00] <ds2> they are not using the PMIC's backlight drive?
  • [19:25:06] <koen> no
  • [19:25:08] <tholm> good job rcn-ee
  • [19:25:11] <ds2> Oh
  • [19:25:16] <ds2> that is F'ed
  • [19:25:22] <tholm> i changed uEnv.txt
  • [19:25:23] <rcn-ee> tholm, it works? pixel clock much higher?
  • [19:25:30] <tholm> yep
  • [19:25:37] <tholm> with the new kernel
  • [19:25:45] <ds2> hmmm
  • [19:25:49] <dwery> tacticus: found this for you https://gitorious.org/linux-can/can-j1939-utils
  • [19:25:54] <ds2> looks like my design will have conflicts
  • [19:26:01] <rcn-ee> sweet, thanks for testing.! ;)
  • [19:26:02] <ds2> oh well
  • [19:26:35] <aholler> as long as the conflicts are well designed, it might be ok ;)
  • [19:26:38] <tholm> dvimode="hd720 omapfb.vram=0:8M,1:4M,2:4M"
  • [19:26:47] <tholm> that was the change
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  • [19:30:21] <ds2> no choice on the conflicts
  • [19:30:31] <ds2> using up 95-99% of the resources
  • [19:31:37] <tholm> rcn-ee: doesnt work the mouse and keyboard
  • [19:31:40] <tholm> any idea?
  • [19:32:13] <rcn-ee> those should be hid modules in the modules tar file..
  • [19:32:20] <snebald> this might be a really stuid FAQ, but I got my 'bone rev A4 today, and eventhough I installed the drivers supplied on the sd-card I get two unknown devices called "BeagleBone" and no extra comport... anyone that care to bash me with a cluebat ?
  • [19:32:58] <tholm> but i installed the modules
  • [19:33:04] <spacecolonyone> Any ideas why the display with console-image and a BB-xM would quit working after running oebb.sh update?
  • [19:33:04] <rcn-ee> tholm, if the /lib/modules/3.2.2-x3.1/ directory is there, you can go thru serial and do "sudo depmod -a" to force it..
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  • [19:34:12] <spacecolonyone> I was so thrilled to have the display just work when I built this past time using the angstrom setup scripts, now I update and it seems to have regressed
  • [19:34:28] <tholm> rcn-ee: http://pastebin.com/yQsXZm4w
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  • [19:36:09] <rcn-ee> tholm, ah, looks like the modules failed.. put the sd card back in your x86 "sudo tar xfv 3.2.2-x3.1-modules.tar.gz -C /media/rootfs/"
  • [19:36:31] <tholm> ok
  • [19:37:13] <emeb> dwery: is that your CAN board that showed up today?
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  • [19:43:33] <tholm> fixed it
  • [19:43:47] <rcn-ee> sweet, good to hear..
  • [19:44:18] <tholm> thx for your help rcn-ee
  • [19:44:22] * emeb was highly amused to find out about the undocumented ARM9 in the OMAP3530
  • [19:44:55] <_av500_> emeb: the 926?
  • [19:45:28] <emeb> _av500_: not sure. Just heard that there's an ARM9 hanging off the C64 DSP that isn't in the TRM.
  • [19:45:49] <_av500_> yes
  • [19:45:54] <aholler> etheretic: the sw is the lowest cost? sounds much like "I have a dream".
  • [19:46:06] <emeb> I'm sure that's old news, but I'm usually late to the party.
  • [19:46:26] <_av500_> emeb: it used to be a so called "sequencer" for hd decode, something custom to drive the hw accels
  • [19:46:46] <_av500_> then it morphed into a 926 which was way easier to program
  • [19:46:51] <emeb> _av500_: makes sense.
  • [19:47:01] <mru> it's a 968
  • [19:47:11] <_av500_> you can do clever thigns with it, like color convert yuv while the dsp decodes the next frame
  • [19:47:15] <etheretic> aholler: you mean the eventual costs of hardware integration?
  • [19:47:16] * emeb wonders how long before the PRUs become Cortex M0s
  • [19:47:17] <_av500_> 968, yes
  • [19:47:31] <aholler> etheretic: no
  • [19:47:38] <mru> emeb: there's already an m3 in the 33xx
  • [19:47:41] <koen> emeb: there was talk about replacing them with msp430 or m4
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  • [19:48:03] <emeb> koen: heh
  • [19:48:04] <koen> emeb: iirc there isn't much difference in Si realestate between pru andm4
  • [19:48:34] <mru> how can that be?
  • [19:48:37] <emeb> koen: yoiks - the PRU must be fairly large then, or I'm overestimating the complexity of the M4
  • [19:48:43] <mru> m4 seems a lot more complex
  • [19:48:55] <_av500_> its all tiny compared to the a8
  • [19:49:01] <mru> of course
  • [19:49:04] <emeb> heh
  • [19:49:09] <koen> the am33x m3 is funny
  • [19:49:16] <koen> it needs firmware for suspend/resume
  • [19:49:21] <emeb> where is it?
  • [19:49:22] <koen> aka 60s delay in boot
  • [19:49:38] <_av500_> when we talked to a fabless silicon company to do our own chip they said we can put as many arm7 as we want )
  • [19:49:39] <aholler> etheretic: do you expect you can use some existing sw, run it on the beagle and it becomes automagically usable by a touchscreen?
  • [19:49:41] <_av500_> :)
  • [19:50:09] <mru> _av500_: I've heard from a fabless silicon company that if you license a9 you get as many arm7 as you want
  • [19:50:10] <koen> 11 arm cores in a ti chip isn't special
  • [19:50:46] <emeb> koen: someone told me that there are 7 in the OMAP44xx, of which only 5 are documented.
  • [19:50:47] <etheretic> aholler: depends. the company making it may already have the code.
  • [19:51:23] <koen> emeb: sounds about right
  • [19:52:12] <emeb> koen: is the AM33xx M3 documented?
  • [19:54:40] <emeb> derp - right in the TRM. How'd I miss that?
  • [19:55:54] <aholler> rcn-ee: musb still dies if too much traffic. at least it looks so here (using 3.2.2).
  • [19:56:05] <aholler> on a beagle classic
  • [19:56:30] <rcn-ee> aholler, fifo = 5?
  • [19:56:50] <aholler> hmm, don't know about that
  • [19:56:58] <rcn-ee> dmesg | grep FIFO
  • [19:57:08] <aholler> mom, have to turn on the thingy ;)
  • [19:57:57] <dwery> emeb: yes
  • [19:58:17] <emeb> nice.
  • [19:58:45] <dwery> ty
  • [19:58:50] <aholler> rcn-ee: mode 4
  • [19:58:51] <rcn-ee> aholler, laughs.. (can't reboot my panda es, cause i didn't connect it to my network power switch..) but next time, add this to the bootargs to force it " musb_hdrc.fifo_mode=5 " then you'll atleast be using the 8k of usb mem intead of 16k of which 8k doesn't work on the omap34x
  • [19:59:54] <aholler> ah, ok, thanks. if it doesn't work, why isn't that set by default? stupid question, I know ;)
  • [20:01:24] <emeb> your HW folks are more reliable than mine. The FPGA board I'm working on is still not out of prototype.
  • [20:01:39] <rcn-ee> last i check it is set in TI's psp stuff, but when last brought up for merge to mainline it didn't happen.. and up until, 3.2.x i forced it for all boards with my image.. (now if it's older beagle i just pass the bootarg)
  • [20:01:53] <dwery> emeb: where's the roadblock?
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  • [20:02:20] <emeb> dwery: beats me. Mistakes, etc.
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  • [20:02:44] <aholler> hmm, but that really that would explain why problems only occure when a lot traffic happens.
  • [20:03:00] <dwery> emeb: it happens. there's one on the can cape too, purely aesthetic, but we're giving out a discount to compensate
  • [20:03:12] <emeb> spinning the board?
  • [20:03:21] <dwery> a couple of patch wires
  • [20:03:27] <rcn-ee> back before we knew about it, i could only trigger it with file transfer greater then 2Gb.. Most of the time it just would work..
  • [20:03:44] <aholler> rcn-ee: thanks a lot, will se if it helps when I do emerge --sync the next time ;)
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  • [20:04:26] <aholler> up to know that was my case where it always failed
  • [20:04:42] <aholler> or better, died ;)
  • [20:04:45] <emeb> could be worse.
  • [20:05:48] <dwery> I'll be checking that everything is done appropriately
  • [20:07:27] <emeb> that's the right thing to do.
  • [20:07:32] <emeb> going afk for a while...
  • [20:08:43] <aholler> s/know/now/ ;)
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  • [20:15:45] <dwery> see you later
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  • [20:25:48] <_av500_> aholler: see what our kernel does
  • [20:26:02] <aholler> rmed it ;)
  • [20:26:07] <_av500_> but that fifo thing sounds familiar
  • [20:30:07] <aholler> I now have "mpurate=720 musb_hdrc.fifo_mode=5" in my uEnv.txt and it still boots and musb still works. so at least it doesn't do any harm ;)
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  • [20:39:32] <aholler> that was the last problem I had with musb I couldn't find a workaround for
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  • [20:45:35] <cc> Hi. I tried to compile a simple hello world program using "gcc helloworld.c
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  • [20:45:51] <cc> but got the error "bash: gcc: command not found
  • [20:46:08] <djlewis> gotta install the toolchain on bb if you are doing it there
  • [20:46:08] <cc> could someone help me?
  • [20:46:38] <djlewis> cc: ^^^^^
  • [20:46:49] <aholler> opkg install task-sdk-native or task-native-sdk
  • [20:47:03] <aholler> someone should write that into a faq
  • [20:47:18] <aholler> or the frontpage of beagleboard.org ;)
  • [20:47:19] <djlewis> assuming you did opkg update ... first
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  • [20:47:44] <aholler> and you don't us an image with root in ram
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  • [20:48:02] <djlewis> aholler: these guys left me to google it iirc
  • [20:48:08] <cc> djlewis, aholler: thank you
  • [20:49:10] <djlewis> notice the toolchain name changes from time to time to keep us guessing ;)
  • [20:49:29] <aholler> every friday I assume ;)
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  • [20:50:39] <spacecolonyone> was there some sort of regression with the default boot args in the past week or so?
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  • [20:51:29] <djlewis> hey! we never digress but we drink :)
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  • [20:51:34] <aholler> I miss the time where regression were called bugs or problems ;)
  • [20:52:19] <djlewis> if the new stuff dont work, stay with the last known good ;)
  • [20:52:20] <spacecolonyone> :) i miss having my display just work
  • [20:52:40] <aholler> on a beagle?
  • [20:52:45] <djlewis> and that in an experimental world
  • [20:52:58] <spacecolonyone> well, my git foo isn't up to snuff so I'm not sure how to roll back the changes oebb.sh update made
  • [20:53:07] <spacecolonyone> yea beaglexM
  • [20:55:10] <spacecolonyone> I was all excited that I didn't need to muck about creating a uEnv.txt last time I built with oe & angstrom then I update and BAM! no monitor for me!
  • [20:55:39] <koen> DSI PLL got fixed
  • [20:56:28] <spacecolonyone> koen, you referring to this?
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  • [21:00:21] <tasslehoff> koen: hm? what was that comment related to? (fixed an issue at work today where I couldn't get the pixelclk I wanted because I didn't use DSI PLL, so I'm curious)
  • [21:01:50] <mru> you have to use dsi pll to get arbitrary pixel clocks
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  • [21:03:09] <prpplague> koen: what item got fixed? patch?
  • [21:03:53] <LetoThe2nd> just found time to try out my newly returned beaglebone, and network agine/still seems b0rked. if i start up the image that came with it and conenc tvia serial it falls into the avahi/zerocanf/whatever ip range. if i connect a usb ethernet adapter, it instantly works :/
  • [21:04:42] <snebald> well, atleast you get to connect to serial. mine seems to be borked and doesnt give me a comport.
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  • [21:14:19] <djlewis> gerald doesnt return boards half loaded. check your stuff real good
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  • [21:17:23] <LetoThe2nd> i didn't get my RMA'ed one back, i got a new one. the error is also not identical. on the RMAed one RC count on eth was stuck at 0, whereas this one at least seems to be partially alive.
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  • [21:18:57] <LetoThe2nd> what i really don't get at the moment is why now again i receive nothing on serial again, thought the leds are blinking happily
  • [21:20:43] <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: it hates you, plain and simple.....
  • [21:21:24] <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: probably.
  • [21:21:56] <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: do you think it might be helpful to shout at it and give it names?
  • [21:21:57] <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: i think heard it say something about a phobia of worms
  • [21:22:00] <djlewis> LetoThe2nd: its trying to make you really earn its respect ;)
  • [21:22:46] <LetoThe2nd> djlewis: all it's going to earn is another night on my desk and several reboots. ;)
  • [21:23:32] <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: hope you at least checked the relevant parts with SPICE ;)
  • [21:23:40] <prpplague> HA
  • [21:24:38] <prpplague> koen: pssst
  • [21:24:51] <prpplague> koen: i am bringing a box of sharp pointy sticks
  • [21:24:59] * djlewis never hears of koen, mru, av500, prpplaque or ds2 complaining of non working beagle products
  • [21:25:08] <djlewis> hmmm
  • [21:25:23] <spacecolonyone> gods be gods..
  • [21:25:28] <djlewis> lol
  • [21:25:43] <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: sticks? where and when? ;)
  • [21:26:22] <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/embedded-linux-conference/kooi
  • [21:26:37] <LetoThe2nd> prpplague: charrcharr
  • [21:26:53] <prpplague> djlewis: only when i do the damage that results in non-working beagle products
  • [21:30:58] <LetoThe2nd> i slowly get the suspicion that it's just having issues with my 1GbE systme here. will leave it for tonight and bring a 100MbE switch tomorrow to verify.
  • [21:31:35] <LetoThe2nd> so laters, folks.
  • [21:31:43] <prpplague> LetoThe2nd: later
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  • [21:58:25] <spacecolonyone> does anyone know off-hand where angstrom is setting the default kernel command line args. My suspicion is they changed in this past commit and I just need to find it...
  • [21:58:40] <Crofton|work> which past commit?
  • [21:58:57] <Crofton|work> isn't it set buy u-boot anyway?
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  • [22:02:36] <spacecolonyone> I was on e68325e..28db5ce and updated to head
  • [22:03:13] <spacecolonyone> I'm looking through the diff atm trying to figure out what relevant changed.
  • [22:03:37] <Crofton|work> well look at changes in u-boot
  • [22:04:34] <spacecolonyone> would that be in meta-oe, meta-angstrom, or somewhere else?
  • [22:04:48] <Crofton|work> for beagle?
  • [22:04:55] <spacecolonyone> yea, xm
  • [22:05:00] <Crofton|work> meta-texas-instruments I think
  • [22:06:18] * spacecolonyone looks
  • [22:08:59] <Crofton|work> I am sort of guessing :)
  • [22:09:28] <spacecolonyone> there were some changes, so it isn't absurd...
  • [22:09:50] <spacecolonyone> I'm just slow as im still learning git syntax
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  • [22:14:43] <tholm> hi there, why cpu frequency on BB-xm is just 8000?
  • [22:15:14] <tholm> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
  • [22:15:14] <tholm> 300000 600000 800000
  • [22:15:30] <thurbad> did you set mpurate in uEnv.txt?
  • [22:15:30] <tholm> i mean 800mhz
  • [22:15:35] <tholm> yep
  • [22:15:40] <tholm> 1000
  • [22:16:09] <thurbad> can you pastebin your uEnv.txt.... just in case?
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  • [22:17:15] <tholm> Pastebin.com is under heavy load right now :'(
  • [22:18:14] <tholm> mpurate=1000
  • [22:18:59] <thurbad> that may not be enough to get it into your bootargs, depending on how it's configured
  • [22:19:47] <tholm> Kernel command line: console=ttyO2,115200n8 console=tty0 mpurate=1000 buddy=none buddy2=none camera=none vram=32M omapfb.mode=dvi:hd720 omapfb.vram=0:16M,1:4M,2:4M omapdss.def_disp=dvi root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 ro rootfstype=ext4 rootwait fixrtc
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  • [22:20:12] <thurbad> ok, should work then
  • [22:20:24] <tholm> but it doesnt work
  • [22:20:31] <tholm> :(
  • [22:21:05] <tholm> i only get 800MHZ
  • [22:21:17] <tholm> weird
  • [22:21:29] <thurbad> which kernel/distro?
  • [22:21:42] <tholm> rcn-ee's distro
  • [22:21:43] <djlewis> open the hood and pull that governor off the carb . . .
  • [22:21:50] <tholm> haha
  • [22:22:34] <tholm> yea that i was thinkin'
  • [22:23:00] <thurbad> I've heard of speed issues in ubuntu on the xM, but I don't follow that closely
  • [22:23:58] <thurbad> there's a ways to hardwire the speed with a uboot command, but I'd have to look it up
  • [22:25:30] <rcn-ee> "mpurate=1000" but i'll still lock up the board on boot.. there's still quite a few of patches need for a mostly mainline kernel..
  • [22:26:46] <thurbad> no, you can do a register write and skip the governor... but if theres stability issues it wouldn't be a good idea
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  • [22:27:44] <tholm> rcn-ee: so that's a bug?
  • [22:28:43] <tholm> thurbad: do you have any idea how can i disable that governor?
  • [22:29:50] <rcn-ee> tholm, it's a feature not in mainline yet.. to get 1ghz on the xm the voltage needs to be increased and monitored... patchset: http://git.angstrom-distribution.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/meta-texasinstruments/tree/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-3.0/pm-wip/voltdm
  • [22:30:10] <dwery> koen: just answered your mail, sorry for the delay.
  • [22:31:10] <smplman> rcn-ee: just wanted to say thanks for all the hard work you do with Ubuntu and the BB
  • [22:34:00] <tholm> ok thx
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  • [22:35:36] <spacecolonyone> rcn-ee, when you say it isn't in mainline yet, you mean it hasn't propagated to any of Linus' repos yet, right (e.g. 3.2.2 stable)
  • [22:37:00] <rcn-ee> spacecolonyone, well technically, it's a "feature" so doesn't qualify as "fix" for a stable release.. But at the same point, small bits are slowly heading to a mainline.. (if you look closely, mainline still doesn't set the C4/C5 as 720mhz devices either.. ;) )
  • [22:37:40] <spacecolonyone> so then it would wait for 3.3?
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  • [22:39:23] <spacecolonyone> So where is the default command line defined? I've found CMDLINE defined in recipes for thinkgs like the n900 but I've yet to find it for the beagleboard. I've never been confident in my uEnv.txt and I'd like to figure out how to make this happen as part of my image build.
  • [22:39:37] <rcn-ee> I don't think it made v3.3-rc1... Hey koen, if your still around who's responsible/working on mainline-ing the SR 1.5 stuff (1ghz for the xm)
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  • [22:50:15] <denix> rcn-ee: nobody
  • [22:50:41] <rcn-ee> awesome! ;)
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  • [23:02:27] <cc> aholler: earlier u suggested installing task-native-sdk, I did (my internet is slow), now it says "cannot find -lgcc_s" when I "gcc helloworld.c"
  • [23:02:32] <cc> could u help me out?
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  • [23:12:22] <aholler> no, sorry, I don't use angstrom myself
  • [23:21:29] <dwery> av500: that outdated section of the website has been removed, ty ;)
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  • [23:25:09] <spacecolonyone> would someone be so kind as to verify this is a sane beaglexM uEnv.txt:
  • [23:25:11] <spacecolonyone> console="tty0 console=ttyO2,115200n8"
  • [23:25:12] <spacecolonyone> mpurate=1000
  • [23:25:12] <spacecolonyone> camera=none
  • [23:25:12] <spacecolonyone> vram=32M
  • [23:25:12] <spacecolonyone> dvimode="1280x1024MR-32@60 omapfb.vram=0:8M,1:4M,2:4M"
  • [23:25:37] <aholler> spacecolonyone: remove the "
  • [23:26:42] <spacecolonyone> it appears to work as is
  • [23:26:59] <aholler> so why ask?
  • [23:28:20] <spacecolonyone> since I've never seen any (complete-ish) documentation on uEnv and there are such a wide variety of recommended settings I wanted to make sure I wasn't omitting anything critical
  • [23:28:45] <spacecolonyone> for instance someone earlier had buddy=none and buddy2=none
  • [23:29:40] <rcn-ee> spacecolonyone, "buddy" is used for passing expansion board information from u-boot to the kernel..
  • [23:30:22] <spacecolonyone> thanks rcn-ee, I suspected as much.
  • [23:30:32] <spacecolonyone> and though it is working , the monitor only comes up after boot, with the login prompt. In the past I had it coming up right away.
  • [23:30:44] <djlewis> spacecolonyone: iirc dvimode="1280x1024MR-32@60 should be max of 24 bit
  • [23:31:00] <djlewis> not sure if it matters ...
  • [23:31:14] <spacecolonyone> I was basing it off of http://www.sakoman.com/OMAP/how-to-change-the-display-resolution.html
  • [23:31:40] <djlewis> I always use 16bit
  • [23:32:02] <spacecolonyone> I'll be happy if I can just get the monitor to come up before it gets to the login prompt
  • [23:34:44] <spacecolonyone> hrm, something isn't right. df is showing root to have 2.7G available. I'm using a 16GB microsd
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  • [23:36:55] <jay6981> what does the MR in the modeline mean?
  • [23:36:59] <spacecolonyone> correction 4GB sd card, nm
  • [23:37:29] <djlewis> what a fright!
  • [23:37:32] <aholler> jay6981: it makes it incompatible with some monitors. I never understood why that is used everywhere
  • [23:38:55] <aholler> something like premature optimazation and everyone copied it ;)
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  • [23:39:02] <spacecolonyone> this is bizarre, whenever I insert my sd card the first time the boot partition mounts as read only. eject -> reinsert -> now read/write
  • [23:39:44] <jay6981> aholler: cargo cult ftw :)
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  • [23:40:27] <djlewis> should only eject and plug card into a OFF beagle
  • [23:40:50] <spacecolonyone> I am.
  • [23:41:03] <spacecolonyone> wait, I think I'm hitting the lock switch
  • [23:41:17] <spacecolonyone> ok guys I think I should call it a day!
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  • [23:44:46] <spacecolonyone> ttyO2 is the serial port on the board and tty0 is the monitor, right?
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  • [23:53:36] <spacecolonyone> night guys
  • [23:54:17] <koen> aholler: M is for vesa compatible modes and R is for reduced blanking to account for the low pixclock on omap3
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  • [23:57:17] <aholler> I know that ;)
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