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  • [03:07:31] <rlmccormick> noob question: when you build the linux kernel using the instructions on the angstrom website is it downloading the sources as needed and then deleting them afterwards?
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  • [06:08:49] <doublebeta> Welp. My beagle refuses to do anything when powered via DC power jack.
  • [06:08:54] <doublebeta> The USB light only glows
  • [06:09:12] <doublebeta> Boots from miniUSB, but Linux draws too much power and it dies that way
  • [06:09:20] <doublebeta> (runs DB/UX fine tho!)
  • [06:09:56] <unreal-dude> maybe your not giving it enough current?
  • [06:10:42] <doublebeta> 5V 3A adapter
  • [06:10:57] <doublebeta> It used to work, so I bought a new adapter, but nope, still does nothing
  • [06:11:06] <doublebeta> I tested the adapter
  • [06:11:08] <unreal-dude> well, i would hope thats enough crrent :)
  • [06:11:18] <unreal-dude> 5V on the old one?
  • [06:11:30] <doublebeta> Yep, both 5V
  • [06:11:34] <unreal-dude> odd
  • [06:11:37] <doublebeta> and they're brand new switchmodes
  • [06:11:46] <doublebeta> I checked they both put out 5V
  • [06:11:56] <unreal-dude> does it run on the old one?
  • [06:12:00] <doublebeta> And the new one puts out at least 2A, thru resistor+meter
  • [06:12:02] <doublebeta> No
  • [06:12:06] <doublebeta> Doesn't run on the old one
  • [06:12:21] <doublebeta> The old adapter's voltage swings really low when it goes about 200mA or so
  • [06:12:37] <doublebeta> It probably got powerspik'd :<
  • [06:12:41] <doublebeta> *spike'd
  • [06:12:55] <unreal-dude> think it was connected to the beagle when that happened?
  • [06:13:06] <doublebeta> I haven't a clue
  • [06:13:26] <doublebeta> It stopped working while I was devving, so it was always in and out of the beagle
  • [06:13:27] <unreal-dude> does the regulator get hotter than normal?
  • [06:13:30] <doublebeta> Nope
  • [06:13:35] <doublebeta> no heat anywhere on board
  • [06:13:40] <doublebeta> nor in the plugpack
  • [06:13:47] <unreal-dude> i have no idear then
  • [06:13:51] <unreal-dude> :(
  • [06:13:54] <doublebeta> yeah ;_;
  • [06:13:58] <doublebeta> Thanks unreal-dude <3
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  • [06:14:36] <doublebeta> Well, I can atleast execute my assembly OS, but I suppose if I reconf'd the clock to go higher even that wouldn't work
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  • [06:53:25] <_av500_> gm
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  • [08:18:45] <joelagnel> doublebeta, I've seen my beagle die as well with resister + meter, the voltage could possibly be too much across the resistor causing the PMIC to shutdown
  • [08:19:31] <joelagnel> since you're saying it happens while booting, it makes sense that the high current draw would cause a high voltage drop enough to shut it down
  • [08:20:08] <joelagnel> *resistor
  • [08:21:59] <doublebeta> No no, I tested the power supply in another circuit
  • [08:22:10] <doublebeta> The beagle didn't touch the resistor + meter thing
  • [08:22:39] <doublebeta> Via power supply, the beagle does NOTHING
  • [08:22:48] <doublebeta> using usb-otg for power, it partially boots :)
  • [08:23:08] <doublebeta> But of course USB-otg can only supply 500mA, 750mA peak..
  • [08:25:06] <dm8tbr> something in the path from the barrel connector got fried then?
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  • [08:46:11] <_av500_> seems so
  • [08:46:24] <_av500_> multimeter and trace it
  • [08:46:49] <_av500_> doublebeta: you can also power more over usb, inject 5V 1A on usb VBUS
  • [08:47:08] <_av500_> and cut the VBUS line to the upstream hub port
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  • [08:53:33] <doublebeta> _av500_: :o that's an idea
  • [08:53:37] <doublebeta> I'll try that tomorrow
  • [08:53:44] <doublebeta> parents are asleep already >_<
  • [09:01:27] <_av500_> party time!
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  • [09:07:14] <ds2> the switch on the connector might be AFU
  • [09:07:27] <ds2> check that and the power path routing switch
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  • [09:55:59] <ds2> Hmmmm the bone isn't really ammendable to video and audio output
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  • [13:18:10] <manish> hi all
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  • [13:18:42] <manish> hi all
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  • [13:23:19] <mansih> hi
  • [13:23:35] <mansih> i am new to beagle board ..
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  • [13:40:16] <truls> hey folks
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  • [13:41:50] <truls> just got my new beagle bone, and seem to have managed to break it already, it stopped powering up after playing with the user leds a bit
  • [13:42:13] <truls> last thing i did was echo 0 > /sys/class/leds/beaglebone\:\:usr1/brightness
  • [13:42:19] <truls> and then it died...
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  • [13:43:18] <truls> im so far assuming that it dying isn't related to the leds though... just seems to improbable
  • [13:44:43] <truls> right now, if i connect to a usb power source, it blinks the power led once, and then goes dark. im pretty much a newb on the platform, so are there any debugging possibilities at a stage like this that anyone can recommend?
  • [13:44:59] <truls> my current google-fu hasn't been good enough
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  • [13:52:52] <aholler> I don't know anything about the leds or the bone, but does the serial appear?
  • [13:53:08] <truls> the device is completely dead
  • [13:53:13] <truls> no leds are on
  • [13:54:37] <truls> no communication via usb
  • [13:56:07] <aholler> maybe you usb-port shut down because of overcurrent
  • [13:56:57] <dm8tbr> I'd try powering it from a power supply instead
  • [13:57:50] <aholler> truls: check the logs of the machine you connected the bone to
  • [13:58:44] <truls> i tried powering it from a apple-style usb-charge block
  • [13:59:04] <truls> that gives you a usb-plug to put straight into a powerstrip
  • [14:00:01] <truls> seems final dmesg message on my macbook air is: USBF:56605. 1AppleUSBHubPort[0x6ecee00]::FatalError - Port 2 of Hub at 0x24100000 reported error 0xe00002ed while doing get status (first in port status change)
  • [14:00:32] <rlmccormick> when you build the linux kernel using the instructions on the angstrom website is it downloading the sources as needed and then deleting them afterwards? i'm having some trouble locating where the kernel sources are after the build
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  • [14:01:27] <truls> aholler: yeah, that's what i first thought, but no warnings on the host computer (which it usually does in cases like that), and no problems when connecting straight to a power socket via a usb-block
  • [14:01:38] <truls> (sorry, not sure what they're called)
  • [14:07:22] <truls> i guess unless i can revive it with a direct 5V connection (assuming there is a problem in the usb-part of the power supply circuit), there's not much to do except try to return the device...
  • [14:07:43] <truls> at least i had some fun playing with the user leds before it died ;)
  • [14:08:04] <aholler> not sure if apple-usb-foo is std-compliant.
  • [14:08:29] <truls> true
  • [14:08:54] <aholler> I don't think so, they have a solution with more power or such
  • [14:09:14] <zumipin> yeah they tend to provide more current on some ports than necessary
  • [14:09:31] <aholler> anyway, you might ask later when the us awakes or tomorrow when people are working
  • [14:10:31] <truls> tried connecting to usb port of a stationary pc with same result
  • [14:10:46] <truls> aholler: thanks, will try, hard to align japanese time with us ;)
  • [14:11:30] <dm8tbr> truls: I'd really recommend to use the barrel connector instead and a proper 5V power supply
  • [14:12:20] <truls> dm8tbr: thanks, i'll try that
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  • [17:21:16] <tlab> jkridner, there is a beaglebone google group that's awaiting your invite to manage the group
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  • [17:22:46] <mranostay> morning everyone!
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  • [17:31:11] <aholler> jkridner: impossible ;)
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  • [17:47:54] <aholler> hmm, no, it isn't the original, it's an oldone I've patched ;)
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  • [19:55:30] <jwinnebeck> hey woglinde are you around?
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  • [20:07:48] <woglinde> winnebeck now
  • [20:07:51] <woglinde> but only short
  • [20:08:01] <jwinnebeck> Oh hi. I tried to build openjdk-6
  • [20:08:02] <woglinde> hm and I saw finally icedtea 1.11 was released
  • [20:08:19] <jwinnebeck> I get an error about missing glibj.zip, let me run to get it
  • [20:08:20] <woglinde> whats the problem?
  • [20:08:27] <woglinde> thats fixed since today
  • [20:08:29] <woglinde> pull
  • [20:08:31] <jwinnebeck> I traced it to the makefile so...
  • [20:08:34] <jwinnebeck> oh ok
  • [20:08:57] <jwinnebeck> "No such file or directory" while trying to open /usr/share/classpath/glibj.zip. it's because the --with-classpath-install-root or whatever wasn't right but I wasn't sure how to fix
  • [20:09:00] <jwinnebeck> I will try a pull
  • [20:09:04] <woglinde> yes
  • [20:09:17] <woglinde> I didnt saw, because I have classpath natively installed
  • [20:09:31] <jwinnebeck> yeah it tried to go to my / and not the angrstrom root
  • [20:09:37] <woglinde> and than I made some typos, why fixing it
  • [20:09:41] <woglinde> but now all should be fine
  • [20:10:17] <jwinnebeck> oh I see you edited jamvm.inc I did look at that file
  • [20:11:03] <jwinnebeck> it looked reasonable to me at the time. I didn't know anything about bitbake to make it run configure again
  • [20:11:14] <jwinnebeck> hey it appears to be running
  • [20:11:26] <jwinnebeck> awesome it worked (is working still...)
  • [20:11:56] <jwinnebeck> I realized until just now I forgot to put all of those env vars into local.conf you pastbin'd to me, I just added them I hope it didn't mess anything up before this point
  • [20:11:57] <woglinde> jwinnebeck hm bitbake is nice tool
  • [20:12:11] <woglinde> but needs some time to get common with all its featuers
  • [20:12:13] <jwinnebeck> Yeah this is the first time ever for me to use git or bitbake
  • [20:12:21] <woglinde> hehe
  • [20:12:29] <jwinnebeck> I just rtfm'd on pull, I did it in sources/meta-java
  • [20:12:33] <woglinde> use git pull --rebase
  • [20:12:37] <woglinde> always
  • [20:12:40] <jwinnebeck> I didn't do --rebase is that bad?
  • [20:12:54] <woglinde> if you have local changes
  • [20:13:00] <woglinde> they will get to the top
  • [20:13:16] <jwinnebeck> what happens to my local mods if I don't --rebase
  • [20:13:25] <jwinnebeck> Well
  • [20:13:42] <jwinnebeck> Maybe I should just read up on all of git sometime, I've used svn/cvs/vss for years it can't be too far off
  • [20:13:54] <woglinde> hehe
  • [20:13:56] <jwinnebeck> I understand generally some of the git concepts
  • [20:13:56] <woglinde> it differs
  • [20:14:04] <woglinde> you branch locally
  • [20:14:08] <woglinde> and thats really cool
  • [20:14:11] <woglinde> you stash
  • [20:14:14] <jwinnebeck> anyway, it is still building, thanks woglinde hopefully it works
  • [20:14:22] <woglinde> to quick go back to your last commit
  • [20:14:39] <jwinnebeck> yeah I saw that the instructions made me make a branch
  • [20:14:48] <jwinnebeck> I know git lets you make branches on other people's repos
  • [20:14:49] <woglinde> stash?
  • [20:14:50] <woglinde> no
  • [20:14:52] <jwinnebeck> so I can commit locally
  • [20:15:10] <jwinnebeck> does that allow me to make changes then I pull but never push but it keeps my changes?
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  • [20:15:32] <jwinnebeck> of course if I did something good I should do a "push request" I've heard that term but don't know how to apply it :)
  • [20:17:02] <woglinde> lol
  • [20:17:10] <woglinde> better read some tutorials before
  • [20:17:37] <jwinnebeck> yeah I've read before but it didn't stick since I never used git, I read them just to get the general ideas to see if I wanted to switch from svn at work
  • [20:17:49] <jwinnebeck> it looks like git doesn't offer a bunch if you are on small team and not doing open source
  • [20:18:04] <jwinnebeck> but git seems like you REALLY want it if you do open source and want others to contribute
  • [20:18:14] <woglinde> ???
  • [20:18:17] <jwinnebeck> so it seems awesome fit for kernel and exactly things like this
  • [20:18:19] <jwinnebeck> like Angstrom
  • [20:18:23] <woglinde> even for a small teams its okay
  • [20:18:33] <woglinde> merging branches is super
  • [20:18:34] <jwinnebeck> Yeah good, but I mean not worth the switch
  • [20:18:47] <woglinde> on svn it suckz you have to commit every shit
  • [20:18:48] <jwinnebeck> we don't branch often and we are always connected to server
  • [20:19:02] <jwinnebeck> and normally not more than 1-2 work in the same project at the same time
  • [20:19:03] <woglinde> if you dont want to loose it
  • [20:19:22] <woglinde> on git you can squash commits together and so on ..
  • [20:19:38] <jwinnebeck> yeah and you can use git against a svn too
  • [20:19:47] <woglinde> yes that too
  • [20:19:54] <jwinnebeck> I just haven't hit the tipping point yet
  • [20:20:12] <jwinnebeck> we have a lot of integration with svn with scripts and tools and also Trac (bugtracker/wiki/svn browser)
  • [20:20:18] <jwinnebeck> yes I know Trac can work with git, too... etc
  • [20:21:51] <jwinnebeck> when I get to the point that I want to make my own ipks, is it worthwhile to do anything with bitbake or should I just make my own
  • [20:21:59] <jwinnebeck> afaic, ipk==deb
  • [20:22:14] <jwinnebeck> The documentation says that deb > ipk, but nothing explaining what is missing and I've seen nothing missing yet
  • [20:23:25] <jwinnebeck> most of the debs we make are Java and are built with Maven... So I'm thinking I can just rename deb to ipk and use opkg instead
  • [20:23:33] <jwinnebeck> before we were using busybox dpkg, which is horrific
  • [20:25:06] <woglinde> jwinnebeck you make debs?
  • [20:25:08] <woglinde> hehe
  • [20:25:17] <woglinde> my company makes a maven packaging plugin
  • [20:25:21] <woglinde> opensource of course
  • [20:25:41] <jwinnebeck> Yeah I first made debs with dpkg-deb
  • [20:25:44] <woglinde> -> https://evolvis.org/projects/mvn-pkg-plugin/
  • [20:25:45] <jwinnebeck> and other native tools
  • [20:25:51] <jwinnebeck> then I tried pretty much every maven plugin
  • [20:25:54] <jwinnebeck> in the end I made my own
  • [20:26:04] <jwinnebeck> and implemented a pure-java deb/tar/ar
  • [20:26:12] <woglinde> ouch
  • [20:26:19] <jwinnebeck> well it only took me a couple days
  • [20:26:25] <jwinnebeck> I used the tar/ar from ant
  • [20:26:34] <jwinnebeck> and I knew deb very well
  • [20:26:40] <woglinde> okay
  • [20:26:46] <jwinnebeck> I can't remember if I tried this plugin you have
  • [20:27:00] <woglinde> it still is not perfect
  • [20:27:06] <woglinde> but works for most stuff
  • [20:27:11] <jwinnebeck> yeah I didn't try to do the depends via map stuff like that does
  • [20:27:14] <woglinde> and the clue is it resloves the deps
  • [20:27:17] <jwinnebeck> we were building for custom linux
  • [20:27:31] <jwinnebeck> so it was much simpler
  • [20:27:32] <woglinde> rpm works now good too
  • [20:27:46] <jwinnebeck> so what is the difference between ipk and deb?
  • [20:27:55] <woglinde> hm project side needs some updates
  • [20:27:56] <jwinnebeck> it looks like for simple debs I Can just rename .deb to .ipk and call it down
  • [20:28:03] <jwinnebeck> down -> done
  • [20:28:10] <woglinde> yes
  • [20:28:14] <jwinnebeck> ok...
  • [20:28:22] <jwinnebeck> I couldn't find any real reference on ipk
  • [20:29:34] <jwinnebeck> ok unfortunately I have to go shortly, I will let you know when I see you again maybe Monday how the build went, and if it did, how shark runs
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  • [21:54:46] <greycon> Hi folks, anyone know why , when I change the dropbear config file to port 33, and reboot, it still comes up on port 22?
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  • [22:14:34] <Dhut> hi everybody
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  • [22:15:08] <Dhut> is anybody used opencv on Beagleboard xm?
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  • [22:40:51] <jwinnebeck> woglinde: if you're there; qemu-native failed to compile because it's missing libGL, libGLU and SDL.h, but it is looking for them in /usr not in a path in my build, which I find odd. It told me Ubuntu packages to install but wouldn't I want to compile against mesa from angstrom not whatever happens to be in my Ubuntu?
  • [22:41:19] <jwinnebeck> I didn't find these files in my build root so it has not compiled them first for sure
  • [22:41:52] <woglinde> jwinnebeck you need the dev packages
  • [22:42:02] <jwinnebeck> Not that I can understand really why I care about qemu on the target though...
  • [22:42:18] <jwinnebeck> yeah, I can install the dev packages of course to get those files... but that seems odd?
  • [22:42:24] <woglinde> we need it to generate some files
  • [22:42:25] <jwinnebeck> Wouldn't I want the files from the target?
  • [22:42:34] <jwinnebeck> ok... I'll install them
  • [22:43:08] <woglinde> in the build process of openjdk
  • [22:43:09] <jwinnebeck> I figure it would have made it deal with it but it didn't seem right
  • [22:43:21] <jwinnebeck> you'd think that you'd want to build your own mesa and SDL and use those
  • [22:43:27] <Dhut> Opencv programs on Beagle Board Xm is very slow, is anybody guide me/
  • [22:43:28] <woglinde> no
  • [22:43:30] <jwinnebeck> what if I wasn't on ubuntu
  • [22:43:51] <woglinde> Dhut use the dsp
  • [22:43:59] <Dhut> thanks
  • [22:44:07] <woglinde> and bring down the fps
  • [22:44:10] <woglinde> good nite
  • [22:44:14] <Dhut> woglinde
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  • [22:47:05] <jkridner> tlab: I own #beaglebone as well
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  • [22:49:17] <chrisp_> on here?
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  • [22:49:28] <chrisp_> guess that answers that question
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  • [22:51:41] <jwinnebeck> Hi CanyonMan
  • [22:53:00] <CanyonMan> hi
  • [22:53:56] <jwinnebeck> I'm still compiling the openjdk woglinde helped me past the last part
  • [22:54:03] <jwinnebeck> it's 3390 of 3440
  • [22:54:47] <CanyonMan> we should buy him a beer via paypal
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  • [23:11:27] <mranostay> koen: heh nice SGI graphics card
  • [23:12:44] <mranostay> mid 90's?
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  • [23:31:28] <CanyonMan> does anybody here know about the way the TPS65217 battery charger is intended to be used on a AM335x design?
  • [23:31:50] <CanyonMan> Does the TPS65217 have the ability to just charge ... but not actually switch to battery power?
  • [23:38:55] <mranostay> CanyonMan: this for the Bone?
  • [23:39:37] <CanyonMan> Well not exactly, but sort of. The system reference manual for the bone says it can't actually run off the battery because of lack of a boost regulator
  • [23:39:57] <CanyonMan> What I'm really trying to do is ascertain what that means. And unfortunately, the documentation on the TPS6517 and family on ti.com is **very** sad
  • [23:40:09] <CanyonMan> it's extremely incomplete
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  • [23:43:20] <CanyonMan> I couldn't even find a description of what messages you can send/receive to/from it form the I2C bus, which stinks beacuse I think that would have given me some better clues about what the thing does.
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  • [23:43:45] <CanyonMan> It's not even clear to me: if you DID have a boost converter where would you feed power back into the chip to make it run
  • [23:43:50] <CanyonMan> it only has 2 power inputs
  • [23:44:10] <CanyonMan> and if you have to do any kind of external sumnation then there'd be significant losses in that
  • [23:44:37] <CanyonMan> based on that, I find it hard to believe the PMIC doesn't handle the whole job, which makes me wonder why the Bone can't.
  • [23:44:38] <mranostay> yeah li-on batteries are only 3.7V
  • [23:45:05] <mranostay> so with a boost regulator it isn't going to work without some secondary supply
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  • [23:45:19] <CanyonMan> right i get that much
  • [23:45:32] <CanyonMan> so the PMIC needs they claim 400 mV of overhead on the LDOs
  • [23:45:43] <CanyonMan> so to make 3.3V they say it needs 3.7V
  • [23:45:48] <CanyonMan> but
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  • [23:46:00] <CanyonMan> if you do this: PMIC --> battery --> boost convert --> ?
  • [23:46:10] <CanyonMan> It's not clear to me where you feed the power back in and how you swtich it
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  • [23:56:33] <mranostay> hmm not really sure
  • [23:57:00] <mranostay> been like 2 years since i've done anything with battery chargers
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