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[00:04:32] <spacecolonyone> Hrm?
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[00:56:39] <spacecolonyone> has anyone ever noticed their MAC address on ifconfig usb0 changing?
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[01:06:43] <spacecolonyone> So now I've gotten it booted with a new custom narcissus image, but can't get anything out over HDMI. I think I need to do the login with vnc first thing but I've got to get it on the network to do that.
[01:07:10] <spacecolonyone> here the MAC must be registered, and the usb0 mac has changed
[01:07:31] <spacecolonyone> I've tried resetting it with ifconfig to no avail. Any ideas?
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[01:13:05] <djlewis> google, long time prob.
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[01:29:00] <joelagnel> jkridner, sent you a merge request on gitorious for beagleboard-org
[01:30:24] <wmat> spacecolonyone: search the mailing list archives for that, as lots has been discussed about it
[01:31:41] <wmat> spacecolonyone: search for "static ip" or something similar
[01:34:43] <ds2> add wool and glass rod
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[01:42:35] <emeb> zzzzap!
[01:42:56] <joelagnel> <wmat> spacecolonyone: search the mailing list archives for that, as lots has been discussed about it
[01:42:56] <joelagnel> <wmat> spacecolonyone: search for "static ip" or something similar
[01:43:39] <spacecolonyone_> static is almost definitely a nogo
[01:44:07] <spacecolonyone_> university it has "policies"
[01:44:34] <joelagnel> create your own subnet
[01:44:53] <ds2> joelagnel: have you tried the VGA/1.3M/2M camera on the xM?
[01:45:30] <joelagnel> ds2, none except the 5M work with an xM and 2.6.39 (with Javier's patches)
[01:46:12] <ds2> joelagnel: I donno how to interpet what you just said - are you saying you tried them all and none of them except for the 5M work or you didn't try anything else or?
[01:46:15] <joelagnel> I get something along the lines of "Failed to power on"
[01:46:43] <joelagnel> The first part of what you said
[01:46:51] <ds2> ah
[01:46:54] <spacecolonyone_> joel do you by chance know which c files in /drivers/media/video are the drivers for those camera?
[01:46:56] <joelagnel> :)
[01:46:58] <ds2> so the drivers need to be screwed with
[01:47:26] <ds2> but then I need to figure out which camera I have ;) the VGA/1.3M/2M camera share the connector and mounting spot :(
[01:47:31] <joelagnel> ds2, yeah, Koen made some suggestions on the ML about the drivers
[01:48:01] <spacecolonyone_> I'll have to investigate about the subnet. but in general I'd suspect that I'm not alowwed to do ANYTHING other than politely ask for an IP from an authorized mac.
[01:48:36] <spacecolonyone_> ok, well dinnertime... tomorrow guys...
[01:48:38] <joelagnel> ds2, I think older kernels will work with the cameras, but not sure
[01:49:33] <joelagnel> spacecolonyone, look at Javier's patch(es)
[01:49:47] <ds2> joelagnel: the goal is 3.0
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[01:50:09] <ds2> ah, I have the VGA camera
[01:50:40] <ds2> joelagnel: did you have to hardware mod the cameras before plugging them into the xM?
[01:50:53] <joelagnel> ds2, no not at all
[01:51:09] <joelagnel> ds2, why would you have to?
[01:51:29] <ds2> joelagnel: there were discussions about slight differences btwn the leopardboard connector and the xM connector
[01:51:42] <joelagnel> ah
[01:51:48] <ds2> joelagnel: what version are you using?
[01:51:59] <joelagnel> of the camera board?
[01:52:05] <ds2> of kernel
[01:52:09] <joelagnel> 2.6.39
[01:52:16] <ds2> why 2.6.39?
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[01:54:20] <joelagnel1> ds2, sorry I got dc'd
[01:54:34] <joelagnel1> the last thing I heard was "<ds2> why 2.6.39?"
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[01:55:06] <ds2> that was the last thing I said
[01:55:08] <ds2> =)
[01:55:12] <joelagnel> :)
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[01:55:38] <ds2> so...why 2.6.39?
[01:56:38] <joelagnel> ds2, well oe dev branch pulls from there
[01:57:04] <joelagnel> and that's what we use to build our images
[01:57:25] <ds2> Oh you are chasing the oe train
[01:58:01] <joelagnel> ds2, just following orders.
[01:58:02] <joelagnel> :P
[01:58:37] <joelagnel> ds2, plus 3.0 is still in -rc?
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[01:59:30] <ds2> yes
[01:59:47] <ds2> that's why you work on that so everything just works when it goes official :P
[02:00:50] <joelagnel> ds2, I don't mind working on it. But there might be more to it, like maybe too much has changed and there are too many patches have to be merged in.
[02:02:11] <ds2> joelagnel: it is looking pretty reasonable except for EHCI
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[02:04:45] <joelagnel> ds2, ok. but the thing is we were talking about stabilizing with 2.6.39 even before 3 was out. Maybe after merge window opened and closed, too many things flew in and people were reluctant to go with it. Again this my guess-work and I don't know the real reason for the affinity to 2.6.39
[02:04:59] <joelagnel> :)
[02:05:12] <ds2> 'k
[02:05:38] * joelagnel is such a conversation killer :P
[02:06:41] <ds2> I am guessing you'll chase whatever OE switches to?
[02:07:28] <joelagnel> ds2, Honestly I'll chase whatever I'm told to chase :P but yeah think that is the trend
[02:11:08] <joelagnel> ds2, do you have recommended reading material on the v4l / fbdev / omap isp / media-ctl / gstreamer etc. Like currently I have a lot of unknowns and don't know where to start to get a broad picture
[02:11:20] <joelagnel> If you think my question was vagues, kindly let me know ;)
[02:11:26] <joelagnel> *vague.
[02:11:48] <ds2> source. read the source. drop a scope or LA on the bus
[02:11:57] <ds2> correlate all that with the TRM
[02:12:13] <joelagnel> nice, sounds good
[02:12:37] <joelagnel> but I think taking a step back helps (for a beginner)
[02:12:49] <joelagnel> to avoid getting confused the hell out of :P
[02:14:28] <joelagnel> like once atleast till you know what is where
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[02:17:30] <ds2> it isn't that confusing
[02:17:42] <ds2> trying to follow an outdated book that doesn't match the current code is way more confusing
[02:18:22] <ds2> keep in mind, I am coming from a EE background so when in doubt, trace it back to EE theory
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[02:21:22] <joelagnel> ds2, thanks for the wise words!
[02:21:32] <joelagnel> I agree about the books part
[02:22:02] <joelagnel> but I am talking more like in terms of a highlevel diagram showing how stuff is laid out
[02:22:12] <ds2> joelagnel: what's your background? HW? SW? Art? :D
[02:22:32] <joelagnel> ds2, EE :P
[02:22:55] <joelagnel> Hw + Sw
[02:23:03] <joelagnel> the components I mentioned about will run into 100s of 1000s of lines of code right, realistically speaking
[02:24:05] <joelagnel> ds2, I'm sure there are things that are learnt by "using", than reading source. Though I don't say or never said, source is not a good way to Learn.
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[02:24:50] <ds2> Nice
[02:25:41] <ds2> the only viable argument against source learning is - it teaches you what it does not necessarily what it is intended to do
[02:26:24] <ds2> the good thing about source learning is that it will tell you exactly what it does. nothing more. nothing less. this works great for most parts of the system
[02:27:39] <joelagnel> sure :)
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[02:31:47] <joelagnel> ds2, I can tftpboot + nfsroot on beagle reliably now. so don't need any sdcards anymore (except one to keep x-load)
[02:33:08] <ds2> you didn't need it before :P
[02:33:20] <ds2> JTAG download + NFSroot would do that just as well
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[02:33:46] <joelagnel> ds2, but you need 2 cables for that :P
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[02:39:08] <joelagnel> nvm
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[02:40:58] <ds2> more reliable then tftpboot over USB ethernet
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[02:50:01] <joelagnel> tftboot right now is completely reliable
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[02:50:50] <ds2> tftpboot by definition is unreliable :P
[02:51:04] <ds2> two machines chucking packets back and forth...
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[03:03:00] <djlewis> the time I spend reverse engineering, I could easily pay for the item I need :(
[03:03:13] <djlewis> call me stuborn
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[04:03:39] <ZeZu> Is there a public oriented board with the 1.5GHz cortex-a8 ? Or would I be looking at getting an EVM ?
[04:04:18] <Nico_Liu> Hi, I've my beagleboard run, how to I set the net to connect to the internet?
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[04:12:53] <thurbad> which beagleboard... xM?
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[04:19:26] <ds2> get a leash so it doesn't run away
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[04:27:30] <Nico_Liu> yes, xM
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[04:39:34] <thurbad> the xM's ethernet is usually labeled usb0
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[05:00:48] <Nico_Liu> Hi???I used the command 'ping 192.168.1.1' on the u-boot, and get 'host 192.168.1.1 is alive'. Is that mean the driver of the net card is right?
[05:01:07] <Nico_Liu> By the way, the 192.168.1.1 is the gateway
[05:03:51] <thurbad> you want to use ethernet in u-boot?
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[05:14:39] <Nico_Liu> I want to test the ethernet in u-boot
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[08:04:41] <speakman> are there any issues with audio support currently?
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[08:05:32] <speakman> hasn't there been some pretty serious kernel problems in the early bb kernel?
[08:06:31] <av500> early?
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[08:26:50] <speakman> i think? rumor has it ;)
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[08:27:33] <speakman> by the way - are there any way to script the "nand scrub" call?
[08:28:01] <speakman> It seems to require manual affirmation
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[08:57:48] <speakman> those of you running on nand; what file system are you using?
[08:58:53] <av500> ubifs
[09:01:06] <koen> ubifs
[09:01:27] <av500> koen: cradle modified
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[09:09:47] <speakman> oh
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[09:46:46] <techcrazy> hi guyz...
[09:47:50] <techcrazy> I want to learn linux board bring up on ARM... is there any specific documentation ????
[09:51:27] <av500> not really
[09:51:34] <av500> there are some "embedded" books
[09:51:50] <av500> amazon and google will tell you
[09:51:59] <av500> there also many websites and wikis
[09:52:08] <av500> again google is your friend
[09:53:41] <techcrazy> thx...yes I got lot of hits.... but I am looking specifically for ARM... Is there any book, article or materials specific to ARM
[09:55:47] <techcrazy> I have searched already ... but nowhere could I find any material specifically for ARM
[09:56:38] <av500> why does it have to be so arm specific?
[09:58:36] <techcrazy> because ARM architecture is different than the normal used Intel Architecture
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[09:59:23] <techcrazy> I got to know that there are a lot of differences between ARM nad IA booting process
[09:59:56] <techcrazy> ok... let me put up in other words
[10:01:55] <av500> there is no ARM booting process
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[10:02:27] * XorA thought all CPUs were the same, put some code at the reset vector, win :-)
[10:03:13] <av500> on a secure system the reset vector is write only! :)
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[10:12:18] <av500> koen: btw, what is this timer 1 vs 12 about?
[10:12:19] <techcrazy> I did not get... If that was the case then there was no need to learn different architectures... there will not be a need for porting code from one Arch to another
[10:12:35] <av500> code != boot process
[10:12:49] <av500> a MIPS boots like an ARM
[10:12:54] <av500> it runs the code at the reset vector
[10:13:01] <av500> same as X86
[10:13:21] <av500> of course you have stuff like PC BIOS or uboot etc..
[10:13:24] <av500> but that is all SW
[10:13:32] <av500> and not really arch specific
[10:14:05] <rs_> when we set vmmc1 what does it mean? voltage level of the cmd and data pins
[10:14:31] <techcrazy> there's an arch dir which contains architecture specific code... what is that for ???
[10:14:41] <av500> where?
[10:14:51] <av500> of course there is arch specifif code
[10:14:52] <techcrazy> in the kernel code
[10:15:01] <av500> like setting up timers, cache, mmu etc
[10:15:32] <XorA> mmu is for wimps, real coders corrupt each others process memory :-)
[10:15:36] <techcrazy> so thats wat i am talking abt... i want to get it to know
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[10:16:21] <koen> av500: early beagles had a wrong cap on the clock like, leading to issues
[10:16:38] <koen> av500: so we switched to an internal 32k timer to work around that
[10:16:54] <koen> av500: but TI has decided that gptimer12 is s3cr3t
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[10:17:15] <koen> it's only listed in the secure trm
[10:17:33] <rs_> what is gptimer12 used for
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[10:17:45] <koen> av500: but B5 and up had the right external cap and can use the external one again
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[10:18:37] <techcrazy> so my question is this: with beagle board I get kernel code which is already ported for OMAP.... I want to know head and tail of this porting...
[10:19:39] <techcrazy> I mean I want to take a vannila kernel code and port it on beagle board(for my learning)... where shd i start ????
[10:19:54] <koen> it's already ported
[10:20:05] <koen> so you only have to compile it
[10:20:06] <techcrazy> I know its already ported by TI....
[10:20:26] <av500> lol
[10:20:36] <av500> arm suport is in linux kernel for a long time
[10:20:55] <koen> rs_: it's used a gp_clockevent, whatever that is
[10:20:56] <techcrazy> but I want to reverse engineer it..... I want to learn how to do this porting.... in steps...
[10:20:57] <av500> long before TI
[10:21:07] <av500> techcrazy: too late
[10:21:22] <av500> time travel back to the 90's
[10:21:45] <rs_> techcrazy: its disappointing, isnt it?
[10:21:46] <techcrazy> ARM support is present in kernel...but when a new ARM device comes...then somebody has to do this porting
[10:21:58] <av500> but not for ARM
[10:22:05] <av500> only for that specific chip
[10:22:27] <techcrazy> nonoonono
[10:22:29] <techcrazy> yes for that particular chip
[10:22:33] <mru> and that can be as simple as writing a board file
[10:22:37] <techcrazy> so i wanna know the steps ...
[10:23:13] <mru> first you read the TRM, all 4000 pages, carefully an memorise every detail
[10:23:18] <mru> go, get started
[10:23:28] <av500> techcrazy: there are no steps
[10:23:30] <av500> ppl just do it
[10:23:55] <av500> do it yourself, then write a book about it
[10:24:27] <techcrazy> I understand for an experienced guy it may sound irritating
[10:24:28] <techcrazy> but really if I can get one end of this then i can sail through
[10:25:09] <mla> but if you start by that, there is no way going to get anywhere, the project is simply too daunting
[10:25:21] <av500> techcrazy: you are holding it wrong
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[10:25:48] <av500> take a random SOC, look at the docs, look at the kernel code
[10:25:52] <koen> in this day and ago "somebody" is either the silicon vendor or paid by the silicon vendor
[10:25:54] <av500> write a driver or so
[10:26:09] <av500> then write more drivers
[10:26:17] <av500> then add a new "board"
[10:26:18] <av500> etc..
[10:27:41] <av500> but there is nobody to babysit you through that process
[10:30:21] <techcrazy> Is it possible to see the log of commits made on vannila kernel by the vendors ???? that'll give basic steps... one at a time...
[10:31:09] <rs_> # git log
[10:31:13] <Nexton_> :-)
[10:31:45] <techcrazy> but will it give me the details i am looking for....
[10:32:17] <techcrazy> I think vendors will be committing after porting it completely....not one step a time
[10:33:12] <av500> techcrazy: vendor kernels are ugly
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[10:39:04] <techcrazy> av500: I am taking your approach only... that is I have selected an SOC: Mini2440 board(samsung S3C2440 based).... but it comes with all the driver code... where shd I look for the changes which are specific to this board????
[10:39:25] <av500> in the board file?
[10:39:37] <av500> but you will be disappointed
[10:39:47] <av500> as for most SOCs there is not much specific code
[10:39:58] <av500> the goal in linux is to make drivers universally usable
[10:41:08] <mru> or universally unusable, in some cases
[10:41:42] <av500> as long as they are universal...
[10:42:37] <av500> techcrazy: so take your 2440 board and find out if there are maybe drivers that can be added or improved
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[10:42:54] <av500> and start from there
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[10:45:53] <techcrazy> but if i want to reinvent the wheel by taking vannila kernel and port it to 2440 board...where should i start ?
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[10:47:04] <mru> why start so late in the game, why not reinvent linux from scratch?
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[10:49:19] <av500> techcrazy: but 2440 support IS in vanilla kernel....
[10:49:25] <Hun> you don't even have to call it linux
[10:49:37] <av500> techcrazy: so go delete the mach-s3c2440/ folder
[10:50:10] <av500> send a patch, Linus might even apply it :)
[10:50:44] <av500> oh, and delete plat-s3c24xx/ too
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[10:51:19] <techcrazy> I work for an product based company...they have their own asics... I want to get into the team which provides kernel port on the asic board... I hope it clears why I am interested in knowing abt this
[10:51:40] <av500> sure
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[10:51:58] <av500> but as I said, there is no "step by step" guide
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[10:53:05] <techcrazy> av500: thx...could you tell me wat kind of code is present in these two dirs...why they do ot have it in one dir ?
[10:53:36] <techcrazy> I assume there must be aplace for CPU specific code and another for board specific
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[10:59:07] <av500> techcrazy: read the code
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[11:24:15] <techcrazy> av500: Thx for ur answers
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[12:06:15] <beaglebus> I booted my new beagleboard, out of boxz from SD, angstrom is running now. can someone tell me what I should do to see something on hdmi output
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[12:10:47] <thurbad> plug it into a dvi monitor that supports your display resolution with an hdmi-dvi plug?
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[12:12:58] <thurbad> or change your display resolution to something that works on your monitor, if possible
[12:13:51] <beaglebus> I did. with a hdmi to vga
[12:14:41] <beaglebus> do I expect something on my lcd monitor by default? or say do I need to run a demo available in the package
[12:15:26] <thurbad> vga may not work, the signal out of the beagle is purely digital, unless it actively translates into vga
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[12:17:01] <thurbad> the 'hdmi' output on a beagle is actually dvi-d in an hdmi form factor
[12:17:28] <beaglebus> so i need a convertor?
[12:17:36] <av500> no
[12:17:38] <av500> a cable
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[12:17:57] <thurbad> if you have a vga only lcd....
[12:18:09] <av500> ah yes
[12:18:47] <thurbad> may be better in the long run to get a cheap dvi monitor
[12:19:01] <beaglebus> so a dvi monitor will work?
[12:19:45] <thurbad> yes, as long as it support the rsolution that the beagle can ooutput, namely 1280x720 max
[12:20:49] <thurbad> the beagle may support a little more than that.. but that's probably the biggest 'standard' size
[12:21:16] <beaglebus> okay, let me check that option. but what do I expect on the monitor, with angstrom running out of box
[12:22:30] <thurbad> depends on whether you're using a console only rootfs, or if you built with xwindows and a desktop environment
[12:23:31] <beaglebus> I am running with the image in SD card they shipped. basically just power on and see
[12:23:37] <thurbad> initially the screen should turn orange if you're using a standard MLO from angstrom
[12:25:13] <thurbad> that kernel probably has the beagleboard logo in the upper left of the screen when the kernel kicks in
[12:25:56] <thurbad> then you'll get the angstrom ascii art when the console is ready for login
[12:26:02] <beaglebus> any demos out of box. such as videotest and it throws some color bar pattern
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[12:27:22] <thurbad> you can build a narcissus image with omapfbplay if you want bars... you can run the speedtest in omapfbplay
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[12:29:08] <thurbad> narcissus is at http://narcissus.angstrom-distribution.org/
[12:32:37] <thurbad> omapfbplay is under platform specific packages
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[12:36:22] <newbeee> Hi guys could anyone suggest me any place to learn more about boot loaders
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[12:38:01] <thurbad> that's a fairly broad question, maybe if you narrow it down a little....
[12:38:19] <av500> ...the exact steps
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[12:50:22] <speakman> "cannot write OOB for EB at 02a80000, requested 8 bytes, read 0 bytes, error -5"
[12:50:25] <speakman> is it bad?
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[12:57:20] <av24> is it possible to utilize mii on beagleboard?
[12:57:26] <av24> are there alternate interfaces?
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[12:58:28] * koen pokes jkridner
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[13:02:34] * sakoman_ makes a new policy to ignore all emails which address him as "sir"
[13:03:11] <koen> that only gets rid of the india region
[13:03:18] <koen> blacklist buddy as well
[13:03:40] <sakoman_> koen: "buddy" hasn't been an issue (yet!)
[13:03:47] <wmat> heh
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[13:03:59] <beaglebus> I just read couple of articles about hdmi to vga cables. they all say dnt beleve that - it will ever work. I wanted a converter, but my IS guy said try a lost of cable!!!
[13:04:21] <av500> yes, chain them all together
[13:04:30] <av500> it can only be better
[13:04:48] <av500> use the cables to tie down your IS guy
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[13:06:56] * koen pokes jkridner again
[13:07:27] <beaglebus> @av500 :) planning to. let him show the bill
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[13:11:42] <mru> sakoman_: what will you do if the queen decides to make you Sir Steve?
[13:12:24] * sakoman_ is pretty sure the queen has no idea who he is
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[13:12:56] <mru> perhaps it's time someone told her
[13:12:59] <djlewis> good morning
[13:13:09] <mru> morning djlewis
[13:13:14] <av500> mru: wouldnt the queen rather send torchwood after him?
[13:13:33] <speakman> "cannot write OOB for EB at 02a80000, requested 8 bytes, read 0 bytes, error -5" <- anyone knows if that is something to worry about?
[13:13:39] <mru> av500: being a lizard alien and all, yes most likely
[13:13:40] <djlewis> this morning is reading like a friday :)
[13:13:56] <av500> speakman: I dont worry about it, since it happens to you :)
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[13:14:09] <av500> djlewis: sir, indeed sir!
[13:14:32] <djlewis> watch it av500
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[13:16:07] * djlewis gets those emails too.
[13:16:31] <speakman> av500: it didn't happen to me neither, it happens on my coworkers board. Then I guess I shouldn't worry... ;)
[13:16:42] <av500> speakman: you get the flow :)
[13:16:58] <speakman> Will anyone get killed? No? Then don't worry.
[13:17:06] <av500> kittens maybe
[13:17:23] <speakman> You're not depending on kittens. No worry.
[13:18:16] <speakman> I'll just pretend I didn't see those messages (there are so many debug messages enabled in the kernel config so it's problably nothing to worry about)
[13:18:50] <djlewis> yeah, if no magic smoke, what's to worry :)
[13:20:03] <sakoman_> koen: I starting to use oe-core on a daily basis, so I expect to be writing a lot of "sir" emails to you :-)
[13:20:07] <speakman> I just read someone with only capital letters on their keyboard soon having to sniff the magic smoke on the mailing list.
[13:21:05] <koen> sakoman_: yes sir!
[13:21:32] <djlewis> speakman: yes, they must assume everyone is hard of hearing ;)
[13:21:39] <sakoman_> koen: sir, the deploy phase of the u-boot recipe doesn't seem to put u-boot.bin in the deploy directory
[13:21:41] <av500> koen: yocto still exists? its been so quiet....
[13:21:56] <av500> djlewis: THE BOARD WAS ON FIRE!!!!
[13:22:06] <av500> naturally he was exited
[13:22:07] <sakoman_> koen: in fact, the u-boot.iinc file looks truncated!
[13:22:21] <sakoman_> http://git.angstrom-distribution.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/meta-texasinstruments/tree/recipes-bsp/u-boot/u-boot.inc
[13:22:43] <sakoman_> look starting at line 61
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[13:23:59] <koen> wow
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[13:25:16] <sakoman_> koen: hmm . . . x-load recipe doesn't seem to deploy the binary either
[13:28:48] * sakoman_ smiles when he finds uImage binary right where he expects it in deploy
[13:29:22] <thurbad> lol
[13:31:24] <koen> sakoman_: not entirely where you expect it, though, the libc subdir changed :)
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[13:37:22] <joelagnel> gm
[13:37:34] <djlewis> joelagnel: gm
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[13:41:01] <sakoman_> koen: right, I did notice that libc type is now appended to top level tmpdir name
[13:42:41] <koen> sakoman_: don't do a git pull on oe-core for the time being
[13:43:24] <sakoman_> koen: am I in trouble if I did a git pull an hour ago?
[13:44:11] <koen> no
[13:44:41] <koen> it went in 59 minutes ago, RP and I are discussing a bandaid :)
[13:45:33] <av500> koen: fedex picked it up
[13:45:49] <koen> av500: sweet, thanks!
[13:45:59] <koen> av500: can you mail me the tracking# ?
[13:46:22] <av500> no
[13:46:36] <sakoman_> koen: just to make sure -- which commit is the suspect one (from 59 minutes ago)
[13:47:05] <av500> koen: I wrote "the REAL koen" on it
[13:48:15] <koen> http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded-core/commit/?id=e623d3015bbdeb2b42b9763937be899a1fa9c0ca
[13:48:53] <sakoman_> koen: thanks
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[13:51:07] <koen> sakoman_: the fix is http://git.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi/openembedded-core-contrib/commit/?h=rpurdie/temp&id=3a8e115904a227fcecb61e81f5e540d1aebea352
[13:51:10] <koen> but that's not in yet
[13:51:19] <sakoman_> koen: I did indeed miss picking up that commit by 2 minutes!
[13:51:35] <koen> sakoman_: awesome timing!
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[14:16:35] <mlip> koen, fyi: http://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1139
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[14:23:23] <joelagnel> koen, /me watched your ELC talk video. I didn't understand everything but it was quite nice. will playback in slow motion again a little later :)
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[14:29:52] <joelagnel> koen, did you get my email?
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[14:32:23] <joelagnel> Just wondering if it went to your spam folder
[14:32:30] <joelagnel> The one on Narcissus
[14:32:42] <joelagnel> Would you rather I direct it to the list?
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[14:38:48] <koen> sakoman_: deploy fixed
[14:39:03] <koen> joelagnel: I got a number of your emails, which one do you specifically mean?
[14:40:41] <joelagnel> koen, the one on which I requested some clarification on testlab and narcissus (package file sizes)
[14:40:45] <joelagnel> Subject "Narcissus images"
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[14:53:59] <icepeda> Hi, I have a beagle board that I want to boot with android, it does it, but in the TV I connect to the hdmi plugin I can't see anything, is there any information with the bootargs I can set for video output?
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[14:55:48] <icepeda> I have try with 640x480, 1024x720, 1280x768, etc
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[14:56:49] <icepeda> but when BB is booting screen goes black, and then when android start goes blue like if there was not signal
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[15:04:49] <porcupine> hi everyone, does beagleboard xm rev c has 200mhz ddr memory?
[15:05:13] <porcupine> couse kernel choose 332mhz core clock instead of 400mhz
[15:05:51] <porcupine> and another question - if it does what i must do in kernel to have 400mhz ?
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[15:16:56] <sakoman_> koen: thanks for the deply fix
[15:18:03] <thurbad> the memory speed is set in MLO
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[15:19:16] <alsauser> hello, i was wondering if anyone could help me figure out why (when i play audio out), the soundis coming out of only one headphone? I've looked at alsamixer, but a bunch of things say "00"
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[15:19:29] <alsauser> *this is on a beagleboard xM
[15:19:36] <koen> sakoman_: np, I needed to share my DEPLOY_DIR to coworkers
[15:23:35] <sakoman_> koen: is there a missing "ln -sf ${UBOOT_IMAGE} ${UBOOT_SYMLINK}" in the u-boot deploy?
[15:23:49] <koen> sakoman_: likely
[15:24:17] <koen> I've been trying to clean up the uboot stuff and align it with oe-core, so some items got dropped
[15:24:26] <koen> not everyone on purpose, though
[15:26:04] <sakoman_> I'll just point out stuff as I notice it. if things are intentional, no problem
[15:26:31] <sakoman_> just trying to come up to speed on oe-core by attempting to use it for daily work
[15:26:53] <sakoman_> proving to be a bigger task than I thought -- lots of missing recipes :-(
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[15:35:29] <luke_> having trouble setting resolution in angstrom to anything but 640x480
[15:35:44] <luke_> beagleboard revb7
[15:35:55] <luke_> setenv dvimode '800x600MR-24@60'
[15:36:05] <luke_> setenv bootargs 'console=ttyS2,115200n8 console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootfstype=ext3 rootwait video=omapfb:mode:800x600MR-24@60'
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[15:39:05] <turboturbo> Hi guys, I'm new to this whole BB thing :) but have been googling a lot about it lately
[15:39:07] <koen> don't override bootargs
[15:39:13] <koen> only override dvimode
[15:39:20] <koen> if you do both it won't work
[15:39:39] <turboturbo> I have a quick question - how does ubuntu studio 11 performs on the BB xM?
[15:40:36] <koen> slow
[15:41:02] <turboturbo> very slow? like unusable ?
[15:42:08] <av500> studio?
[15:42:34] <turboturbo> yea
[15:44:09] <turboturbo> actually i will only need Audacious for HD music pay back....
[15:44:17] <turboturbo> the studio is just a bonus for fun...
[15:44:26] <turboturbo> play*
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[15:45:16] <luke_> now the settings are only set in dvimode
[15:45:18] <luke_> dvimode=800x600MR-24@60
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[15:45:28] <luke_> bootargs=console=ttyS2,115200n8 console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootfstype=ext3 rootwait
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[15:45:40] <luke_> still the same, 640x480
[15:46:00] <luke_> Is there someway to remove the vimode variable or clear it?
[15:46:11] <luke_> *dvimode
[15:46:45] <luke_> setenve dvimode= does not work
[15:47:36] <joelagnel> setenv dvimod;
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[15:48:27] <luke_> thanks, I wish that were in the help
[15:48:43] <joelagnel> Its in the source
[15:49:45] <luke_> which source?
[15:49:56] <joelagnel> U-boot
[15:50:27] <luke_> I see, I haven't looked at uboot source yet. Just getting this thing going.
[15:50:50] <luke_> Had the b7 for a few but haven't gotten a dvi monitor to play with it till now
[15:51:11] <luke_> still no luck changing the resolution though
[15:51:21] <luke_> maybe it's an angstrom issue?
[15:52:03] <joelagnel> setenv dvimode hd720;
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[15:58:24] <Mark___> Here are all the files: http://elinux.org/index.php?title=Category:ECE497
[15:58:58] <Mark___> Here's an overview: http://elinux.org/ECE497_-_32-bit_Embedded_Linux,_Rose-Hulman
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[16:01:00] <turboturbo> sorry for the interruption, does the lighter ver of ubuntu 11 runs smooth on BB xm? I will only need the Audacious running for hd music playback
[16:03:52] <rcn-ee> turboturbo, any of the *-desktop meta packages will bring to much bloat, just install the window manager (xfce) and then your application..
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[16:05:42] <turboturbo> rcn-ee, thanks for the suggestion. I have zero experience in linux and ARM... is xfce complicated?
[16:06:32] <rcn-ee> it's pretty minimalistic, if you've ever run xubuntu desktop that's the window manager used..
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[16:08:22] <turboturbo> oh i see, got it.
[16:08:54] <turboturbo> let me read about xfce a bit more
[16:10:00] <turboturbo> thanks again rcn-ee, your input is definitely very helpful to me, as I really don't know where to start!
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[16:17:49] <luke_> currently set as
[16:17:53] <luke_> setenv bootargs 'console=ttyS2,115200n8 console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootfstype=ext3 rootwait omapfb.video_mode=1280x720MR-24@60'
[16:18:03] <luke_> there is no apparent difference
[16:18:27] <luke_> how can i explicitly check what resolution is being output
[16:18:38] <luke_> ie over the command line
[16:19:00] <av500> your tv does not tell?
[16:19:31] <luke_> lcd monitor
[16:19:46] <luke_> ah, yes it does tell :)
[16:19:57] <luke_> resolution: 640x480
[16:20:06] <luke_> optimum resolution: 1280x1024
[16:21:33] <luke_> according to the faq: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardFAQ
[16:21:50] <luke_> the video mode for the latest angtrom should be set as --
[16:22:04] <luke_> omapfb.mode=dvi:1024x768MR-16@60
[16:22:12] <luke_> or something similar
[16:22:34] <luke_> I also tried dvimode=hd720 as suggested
[16:22:47] <luke_> this is very strange
[16:23:48] <luke_> something else as well, there is a rectangular black character drawn in the upper left
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[16:24:21] <luke_> gnome will draw over it with a window but it comes back instantly
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[16:38:19] <lambage> I'm installing ubuntu on a beagle board xm Rev C4 using the "demo image", does anyone know approximately how long it takes, I've been staring at a console for close to 2 hours now and it still keeps going
[16:40:23] <rcn-ee> lambage, which 'demo image'? anything on the serial port?
[16:40:39] <joelagnel> lambage, do you see the SD Card LED flashing, I believe it is LED D7 on an -xM
[16:40:45] <lambage> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Demo_Image
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[16:41:17] <rcn-ee> lambage, well there's two listed, so 'which'.. ;) do you have a serial boot log i can see? it should boot in 30seconds..
[16:41:48] <lambage> yes it's still flashing, it's more of a curiousity thing than anything, seems to be working, just it keeps "selecting previously deselected package/unpacking packing"
[16:42:18] <lambage> I'm trying install the "desktop" environment
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[16:42:38] <lambage> for natty 11.04
[16:42:43] <rcn-ee> ah, well what desktop package did you ask it to install?
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[16:43:25] <lambage> i did a "sudo apt-get update" followed by "sudo apt-get install xfce4 gdm xubuntu-gdm-theme xubuntu-artwork xserver-xorg-video-omap3 network-manager"
[16:43:39] <luke_> how can I check which xloader and uboot are installed to my nand
[16:43:42] <lambage> as per the instructions on the eLinux page
[16:44:49] <rcn-ee> ah, well it's minimal, with natty xfce brings in a lot more packages then it use to so... sounds like your 1/2 - 3/4 done.. when it's just "setting up..." your close to done..
[16:45:11] <lambage> I expected it to take a while, just didn't think it would be this long :P
[16:45:39] <lambage> one of those, should I actually try and get other work done or continue staring at this :P
[16:46:08] <rcn-ee> it's usually tied directly to the speed of the sd card and if you have swap enabled..
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[16:46:46] <rcn-ee> i'd just let it go, have lunch, it should be done by then..
[16:51:58] <lambage> :) thanks
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[16:59:07] <rOxx> hello, i have a problem with reading the input value. my steps: 1. echo 136 > export, 2. cd gpio136, 3. echo in > direction, 4. cat value, but every time it shows me the value "0", but there is a bridge between pin 1 ( VIO_1V8) and pin 9 (GPIO136) and it must show the value "1". anyone can help me ?
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[17:30:46] <luke_> In the beginners guid: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners#Writing_the_.C3.85ngstr.C3.B6m_image_into_the_SDcard_and_finally_booting_GNU.2FLinux
[17:31:15] <luke_> the instructions are to copy the angstrom bzip to the sdcard and then extract it
[17:31:46] <luke_> does this have any advantage over extracting to the sd card while the archive is still on another disk?
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[18:03:15] <koen> wtf, swiffy?
[18:03:59] <lambage> omg! it's doing something other than selecting/unpacking packages now :)
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[18:15:46] <aayush> Hi
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[18:17:43] <djlewis> low
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[18:31:21] <aayush> djlewis jackass
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[18:32:36] <djlewis> aayush: no need to invite your mom
[18:33:53] <aayush> wtf
[18:37:44] <av500> djlewis: friday indeed
[18:39:53] <koen> friday!
[18:39:58] <djlewis> feel the love :)
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[18:51:31] <luke> now running angstrom with enlightenment as compiled via narcissus
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[18:51:53] <Guest18563> no matter what boot args I choose I can't get the resolution above 640x480
[18:52:02] <Guest18563> does anyone have a suggestion?
[18:52:21] <Guest18563> Perhaps a different setting to modify than bootargs or dvimode
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[18:53:12] <av500> er
[18:53:25] <av500> --patience maybe?
[18:54:45] <koen> ~17:39 < koen> don't override bootargs
[18:54:45] <koen> 17:39 < koen> only override dvimode
[18:54:45] <koen> 17:39 < koen> if you do both it won't work
[18:54:56] <koen> that's what I said a few hours ago
[18:57:08] <av500> and one look at the actual kernel command line.....
[18:59:18] <aayush> is there any way to redirect the kernel to run a certain program in beagleboard
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[18:59:38] <koen> init=l33t4pp
[19:00:04] <av500> doh: -bash: l33t4pp: command not found
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[19:08:51] <ds2> there is always ways.
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[19:23:53] <emeb> if you have the means
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[19:40:09] <joelagnel> If I were to compile my kernel with an initramfs , how would "init" know which rootfs to mount, does the kernel pass it root= ?
[19:44:06] <dm8tbr> it can check /proc/cmdline?
[19:44:07] <joelagnel> ah I see, kernel passes ROOT_DEVICE to init
[19:44:35] <joelagnel> dm8tbr, yeah true. Actually that's how it sets ROOT_DEVICE
[19:44:39] <joelagnel> ty
[19:46:18] * dm8tbr is scared to realize that he knows that because he rewrote an initramfs conceptually :-/
[19:47:20] <mru> if you need an initramfs, you're doing it wrong
[19:48:20] <woglinde> *g*
[19:48:37] * dm8tbr would agree with that if kexec would be working
[19:49:14] <koen> you mean "if kexec would work on these crappy old vendor kernels"
[19:49:25] <joelagnel> unfortunately I'm working on someone elses image and they seem to have stuffed all their modules into /lib/modules in a initramfs, nothing in the rootfs. I have no clue why
[19:49:35] <dm8tbr> koen: we tried on 3.0rc too, no dice
[19:49:43] <koen> ah, the mumbojumbo initramfs
[19:49:55] <joelagnel> koen, oh ok, so is that what is called :P
[19:50:08] <koen> dm8tbr: did you report the problem to l-o? TOny is keen on having kexec work
[19:50:33] <dm8tbr> koen: I'll talk to they guy who's doing the actual kernel work
[19:50:40] <joelagnel> koen, do you the point in them doing it that way?
[19:50:51] <joelagnel> *do you know
[19:51:00] <dm8tbr> cargo cult?
[19:51:18] <dm8tbr> 'debian does it too'?
[19:51:32] <ds2> initramfs is just fine
[19:51:42] <joelagnel> :P
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[20:18:24] <luke_> howdy all!
[20:19:04] <luke_> This is a follow up to my previous questions about getting ANY resolutions higher than 640x480...
[20:19:37] <luke_> As it turns out, the b7 can run 1280x1024@57hz!
[20:19:49] <djlewis> yes
[20:19:56] <luke_> woot
[20:19:57] <luke_> setenv bootargs 'console=ttyS2,115200n8 console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootfstype=ext3 rootwait omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x1024MR-16@60'
[20:20:17] <luke_> the dvi: is what all the documentation I read lacked
[20:20:20] <djlewis> luke_: i run that res on my rev C2 with my samsung 17" dvi
[20:20:32] <luke_> =D
[20:21:14] <luke_> so I've got smooth video playback and full res....
[20:21:28] <luke_> How do I enable sound?
[20:21:32] <djlewis> now i might not believe you ;)
[20:21:39] <djlewis> smooth of what?
[20:22:05] <luke_> 640x376 xvid
[20:22:20] <luke_> haha, no not desktop resolution
[20:22:31] <djlewis> ok, full res in a smaller full rez window :)
[20:22:32] <luke_> i'm happy with this though
[20:22:36] <luke_> yes
[20:22:38] <koen> it can do 1080p30 as well
[20:22:41] <luke_> or fullscreen =)
[20:22:51] <luke_> sweet
[20:23:16] <luke_> I'll update the elinux beginners guide...do I need to request permission somewhere?
[20:23:24] <joelagnel> Its a wiki
[20:24:02] <luke_> I'll take that as a no...I'm new to the internet, unfrozen from cryo sleep last week
[20:24:59] <ynezz> fray?
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[20:31:00] <luke_> Question on testing Audio: Will headphones work or are amplified speakers a MUST?
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[20:46:35] <luke_> "DSS2" display driver for >= 2.6.29 section of FAQ updated, no longer says that 1280x1024 wont work
[20:47:57] <thurgood> not all digital monitors will handle 57Hz
[20:48:27] <luke_> good point, it does mention that actual ouput on B7 is 57hz
[20:48:59] <luke_> Perhaps it's worth mentioning that it won't work with some monitors...
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[20:53:35] <djlewis> luke_: use a standard disclaimer :)
[20:54:06] <thurgood> always best to know your specs :)
[20:54:47] <djlewis> iirc , my samsung comes up at 57Hz as well
[20:55:03] <djlewis> now i'll have to check it.
[20:55:14] <luke_> edited with a note that 57MHZ may not work on all devices
[20:55:44] <luke_> can anyone proffer some advice about audio?
[20:58:40] <djlewis> SRM says it is line level
[20:58:57] <djlewis> try and see
[20:59:52] <mru> are people still not enabling the DSI PLL?
[21:00:09] <djlewis> uh oh
[21:00:36] <mru> you get 57MHz if you don't
[21:01:00] <luke_> umuted and turned up everything in alsa, now a hiss can heard through headphones...will try amplification
[21:01:18] <luke_> is sound expected towork by default in angstrom?
[21:01:26] <mru> the audio out is suitable for driving a normal amp or pc speakers
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[21:01:34] <mru> headphones should be fine w/o amp
[21:02:10] <djlewis> hiss implies either white noise or no source audio
[21:02:22] <djlewis> or a big nasty snake
[21:02:40] <luke_> aaah the snakeefmf,mf
[21:03:25] <luke_> oh, that's just anaconda in mplayer...the video looks good and audio is turned up but still only a hiss
[21:03:34] <luke_> I'll give xmms a try with a sound file
[21:04:25] <luke_> xmms says failed to open audio output: OSS Driver 1.2.10
[21:05:21] <luke_> also failed to open when switching to alsa diver
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[21:05:55] <djlewis> a process has it opened?
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[21:08:07] <luke_> What should I be looking for in htop?
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[21:13:24] <luke_> no process has opened
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[23:12:33] <joelagnel> I'm building the kernel from the AIOS guys for a demo
[23:13:09] <joelagnel> It seems that smsc9514 wouldn't come up and configure ethernet for some reason, so nfsroot fails
[23:13:21] <joelagnel> smsc9514 is compiled statically in
[23:14:17] <thurgood> I've been somewhat ignoring a similar problem with a smsc9514 on a custom board
[23:16:36] <thurgood> joelagnel, which kernel version and which board?
[23:17:39] <joelagnel> thurgood, the AIOS guys use a 2.6.32 kernel
[23:18:26] <joelagnel> thurgood, do you know the process by which kernel calls init functions of all drivers that are required, before mounting rootfs?
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[23:21:17] <thurgood> somewhat
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[23:21:46] <thurgood> lots of callbacks
[23:22:12] <ds2> didn't I hear you having tftp/nfs root running solidly yesterday? ;)
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[23:36:42] <joelagnel> ds2, this is not my kernel :P hehe
[23:37:03] <joelagnel> and this has to do with nfsroot, not tftp :P
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[23:37:33] <joelagnel> thurgood, like drivers register with the kernel? how does the kernel decide the sequence?
[23:39:17] <thurgood> haven't gotten that far yet
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[23:58:52] <joelagnel> thurgood, okie no worries, I keep digging too
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