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[01:21:28] <Nico_Liu> I've got a Angstrom image contained the qt-sdk, how can I use the qt?
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[02:05:18] <djlewis> Nico_Liu: that sounds like a simple question for google
[02:06:39] <Nico_Liu> djlewis, I find the answer for a long time, but failed...
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[02:24:04] <Nico_Liu> djlewis, could you give me some tips?
[02:24:16] <djlewis> i did
[02:24:31] <djlewis> i have not used qt
[02:41:12] <Nico_Liu> I download a Angstrom image, when I copy the MLO, u-boot.bin, uImage to the first partition of my SD card. but it says "Wrong Image Format for ootm command""can't get kernel image!"
[02:41:24] <Nico_Liu> what i should do ?
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[02:54:21] <Nico_Liu> I'm tired of this. I've had an Angstrom image and it run correctly. Now, I want to develop some program on Angstrom with qt. But when I cross compiled the Qt/Embedded and run it in the Angstrom, there always displayed two mouse pointer, and the background is totally green. Is there someone could tell me what's happened?
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[03:09:10] <Nico_Liu> ??
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[05:21:50] <Nico_Liu> Is there anyone who can tell me how to use qt in Angstrom
[05:21:52] <Nico_Liu> ?
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[06:14:13] <Nico_Liu> who can tell me the relationship between linux-kernel and file system, thanks a lot.
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[06:15:27] <Nico_Liu> I have an Angstrom, if I can use another kernel to mount this Angstrom file system?
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[07:12:45] <koen> "sir i want block diagram beagle e-book reader on beagle board"
[07:12:53] <koen> must be a new semester in india
[07:13:01] <koen> that one came in over private mail
[07:14:20] <jonand> koen: :)
[07:14:51] <jonand> india is the new "eternal september"
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[07:18:10] <koen> I assume "rajarshi kallagunta" is from india
[07:19:09] <av500> of course
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[08:10:44] <Nico_Liu> I've got an Angstrom image contained the qt/x11 sdk from the http://narcissus.angstrom-distribution.org/, but I didn't found any files like 'qmake', how can I compile the qt code into a program?
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[08:33:23] <rsv> does anyone use a power s/w on beagle
[08:33:39] <rsv> *power switch
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[09:27:30] <aarti> hi all, i am trying to run ffmpeg code on beagle-xm using LI-5mo3 camera, mplayer is running fine to capture the images but ffmpeg is not working
[09:27:36] <aarti> any idea?
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[09:28:04] <koen> does libav support that funky rgb8 format?
[09:28:33] <av500> a more detailed description of "not working" could also help
[09:28:50] <av500> like "it's f*cking not working"
[09:29:01] <mru> koen: what format?
[09:29:03] <xexnaor> hi guys i am having a strange problem with stock 2.6.38.7 kernel if i compile this kernel with arm-none-eabi beagle boots fine but if i try compiling with arm-none-linux-gnueabi after uncompressing linux it says done but nothing else
[09:29:08] <av500> or "is not working *At all*"
[09:30:36] <xexnaor> what is the dffrence between none-eabi and none-linux-gnueabi for compiling kernel
[09:30:53] <aarti> ffmpeg code hangs and then after board is not responding on minicom
[09:31:08] <av500> CTRL-C
[09:31:17] <aarti> not working
[09:31:23] <av500> CTRL-Z
[09:31:24] <mru> xexnaor: none
[09:31:26] <aarti> need to restart the board
[09:31:37] <av500> CTRL-A F B
[09:31:41] <mla> xexnaor: different abi :) seriously, eabi generates abi v5 and gnuabi generate abi v1 its the calling convention to functions and such
[09:31:46] <aarti> i tried all
[09:31:51] <mla> ah.. ok.. i missread
[09:32:19] <av500> can I use gnueabi to compile non-gnu code?
[09:32:39] <xexnaor> mla: so why arm-none-linux-gnueabi does not working
[09:33:04] <xexnaor> do i have to use arm-none-eabi with stock kernel
[09:33:06] <mla> listen to mru, he says there is no difference.. he should know this better than me
[09:33:30] <mru> they all use the same abi
[09:33:45] <xexnaor> samte stock kernel source same config
[09:33:46] <mru> the linux-gnu ones are set up to link against glibc by default
[09:33:53] <mru> makes no difference for building kernel
[09:33:56] <xexnaor> non-eabi works but gnueabi doesnt
[09:34:01] <mru> since kernel doesn't use a libc anyway
[09:34:11] <av500> xexnaor: what compiler is that?
[09:34:17] <av500> (from where)
[09:34:19] <xexnaor> codesourcery
[09:34:58] <koen> mru: V4L2_PIX_FMT_SGRBG8
[09:35:43] <mru> koen: that doesn't tell me much
[09:35:50] <mru> what does it look like in memory?
[09:36:16] <mru> if it's the bayer format, libav doesn't support it
[09:36:35] <av500> http://linuxtv.org/downloads/v4l-dvb-apis/V4L2-PIX-FMT-SGRBG8.html
[09:36:37] <av500> 'tis
[09:36:39] <xexnaor> i took the config from yocto projects config and trying to use in buildroot, buildroot downloads from codesourcery with gnueabi and its not working, but if i use toolchain from code sourcery with none-eabi and same config it boots fine
[09:39:40] <av500> aarti: so that color format is not supported (yet)
[09:40:12] <aarti> av500, ok thnk u very much
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[09:51:23] <aarti> whenever i am trying to run ffmpeg code i m getting output like : http://pastebin.com/UzXbFtZd and then i need to restart the board
[09:51:54] <av500> command line?
[09:53:22] <aarti> i have a small code which uses ffmpeg
[09:54:11] <av500> you mean libav*
[09:54:39] <aarti> ya
[09:54:53] <av500> and it works on the PC?
[09:55:09] <aarti> ya
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[10:38:31] <IulianU> hi
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[10:39:00] <IulianU> has anyone got SDIO devices working with the beagleboard and linux?
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[10:43:53] <xexnaor> hi guys, i am trying to build a kernel for beagle, using stock 2.6.38.7 kernel and yocto projects beagle config, after uncompressing linux and booting kernel console stops writing
[10:44:27] <koen> xexnaor: why use yocto config?
[10:44:34] <koen> xexnaor: yocto has abysmal beagle support
[10:44:47] <xexnaor> i found that easy
[10:45:01] <koen> apparently not, since it doesn't work
[10:45:02] <xexnaor> any suggestion for stock kernel config?
[10:45:24] <xexnaor> no that config works with codesourcery none-eabi toolchain
[10:45:25] <koen> xexnaor: use one from the meta-texasinstruments layer: http://git.angstrom-distribution.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/meta-texasinstruments/
[10:45:41] * koen doesn't use codesourcery, since it doesn't work
[10:46:13] <xexnaor> :) you suggest oe i think
[10:46:36] <koen> I suggest angstrom
[10:46:57] <xexnaor> i dont want whole distro
[10:47:02] <koen> TI dumped codesourcery because it was slow, buggy and couldn't build modern userspace
[10:47:19] <koen> then only build the kernel you get with the angstrom config
[10:47:39] <xexnaor> so oe and agstrom configs are diffrent
[10:48:04] <xexnaor> and angstrom uses stock kernel instead of omap kernel
[10:49:06] <xexnaor> you are suggesting which toolchain koen?
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[10:55:38] <koen> xexnaor: the one angstrom will build by default
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[11:12:05] <koen> xexnaor: there's a README in the meta-texasinstruments tree, follow that
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[11:20:22] <Nico_Liu> I used the Angstrom SDK to cross compile the Qt/X11 4.7.2, but when I configure, it says that: XLib disabled. You should modify the QMAKE_INCDIR_X11 and QMAKE_LIBDIR_X11,
[11:20:35] <Nico_Liu> What's wrong with that?
[11:20:50] <Nico_Liu> I'm a newer to Qt and Angstrom
[11:22:12] <koen> why do keep trying to compile qt/x11, angstrom already has that
[11:23:57] <Nico_Liu> but I don't know how to use it in the target side qt/x11 sdk, I can't find the qmake in the angstrom
[11:24:24] <koen> did you try installing qmake?
[11:24:45] <koen> e.g. opkg install qmake2 ?
[11:26:26] <Nico_Liu> installing qmake? in the angstrom target? you said excute "opkg install qmake2" in the target?
[11:27:46] <koen> yes
[11:27:53] <koen> but you can install it into the sdk as well
[11:28:01] <koen> the host side sdk, that is
[11:28:12] <koen> use the opkg-target shell alias
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[11:32:47] <Nico_Liu> but in the target it says 'Unknow package 'qmake' or 'qmake' '
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[11:34:21] <koen> did you do opkg update first?
[11:35:04] <av500> koen: heretic question, why doesnt opkg do that by itself? :)
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[11:36:05] <koen> av500: I never thought about that, tbh
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[11:38:02] <Nico_Liu> koen, my target board don't has internet connect. so i can't update the opkg. I excute the 'opkg-target update' in the host side, it says ' opkg_conf_load: Could not create lock file /usr/local/angstrom/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi//usr/lib/'
[11:39:08] <koen> so add it with narcissus
[11:39:30] <av500> koen: given that you answer every mention of "opkg" here with "did you do opkg update first?"...
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[11:40:17] <JLaurin> Nico_Liu get yourself a internet connection, it will ease work so much
[11:41:00] <koen> av500: I sent the question to the opkg maintainers :)
[11:41:05] <Nico_Liu> I'll try it.
[11:41:08] <ant_work> obviously the opkg list of packages is not populated at the moment of building the image
[11:42:52] <koen> even if it was, you should run update
[11:42:53] <koen> rpm seems to do it all the time by the looks of it
[11:42:59] <ant_work> and if you want a local cache you need space, which is sometimes
[11:43:03] <ant_work> a no-no
[11:44:15] <JLaurin> Where is woglinde? Haven't seen him in days
[11:44:30] <ant_work> final exams?
[11:44:58] <JLaurin> Could be, I've allready had mine :)
[11:45:47] <Nico_Liu> koen, in narcissus, which opnion is to add a opkg?
[11:54:31] <koen> every option
[12:02:30] <koen> joelagnel: https://github.com/koenkooi/u-boot/commits/beagle-2011.06
[12:04:35] <Nico_Liu> koen, without qt, is there any othor good tools to develop program for Angstrom
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[12:19:50] <av500> koen: ah, they came up with a new twist, it's block diagrams now!
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[12:22:25] <koen> jkridner|work1: http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=people/andygreen/kernel-tilt.git;a=commitdiff;h=4910b10a5818f80746b346039eedf4cf44420b9b
[12:23:51] <koen> and http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=people/andygreen/kernel-tilt.git;a=commitdiff;h=c3595970b04b222a6f833e5dfb64b25a7a96447a
[12:25:09] <koen> and the function it needs: http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=people/andygreen/kernel-tilt.git;a=commitdiff;h=275354bd1b503c5fc7a4cfb5a129548876baabb4
[12:25:55] <av500> koen: nice
[12:28:52] <av500> looool: "hi, i want the perfect block diagram of beagle book and the total description and the methods..."
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[12:54:23] <jkridner> joelagnel: please read: http://www.slimlogic.co.uk/2011/05/openembeddedangstrom-kernel-workflow/
[12:55:04] <av500> jkridner: its useless, it does not have a perfect block diagram!
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[12:55:50] <IulianU> i have this SDIO wifi card, when plugging it into the beagle's SD slot, the kernel can't seem to initialize it properly
[12:55:54] <IulianU> output at http://pastebin.com/p3csfRUL
[12:56:05] <IulianU> kernel version 2.6.39
[12:56:09] <IulianU> beagleboard rev C4
[12:57:09] <IulianU> any hints about how i can make this work?
[12:57:34] <IulianU> it goes without saying, SD memory cards work just fine.
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[13:03:27] <joelagnel> jkridner, sure will do, thanks
[13:04:06] <jkridner> lilianU: I was hearing yesterday that there might be some issues with particular modes of SDIO.
[13:04:13] * jkridner looks at pastebin.
[13:05:36] <jkridner> looks like I'd need an SDIO spec to understand those status flags.
[13:11:16] <Nico_Liu> koen, I install the qmake2, but when I excute it, it says that 'QMAKESPEC' is not set. so, what should i set QMAKESPEC?
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[13:14:21] <av500> XorA: can you appear in #pandaboard for a sec?
[13:15:03] <IulianU> jkridner: got any links?
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[13:15:39] <IulianU> btw, looking at : http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/8f12c1e69d644e86
[13:16:26] <IulianU> someone added support for the wl1271 module - should i do smth similar for my own wifi module? :-/
[13:18:58] <jkridner> is there already a driver for your wifi sdio card? do you know what mode it needs?
[13:19:26] <jkridner> i'd guess the sdio driver might not know how to switch all the muxes on its own.
[13:20:59] <jkridner> Nico_Liu: did you read the part about sourcing the environment?
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[13:21:25] <koen> noone has sent me the codes yet!!!
[13:21:50] <koen> help!!!!
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[13:28:00] <IulianU> jkridner: yep i do have drivers for that wifi sdio card
[13:28:31] <IulianU> hmm, switch the muxes, now that's something new
[13:29:03] <IulianU> this must be something specific to the platform (beagle), right?
[13:31:26] <koen> av500: what do you think of erics picture response?
[13:31:56] <av500> savage!
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[13:36:49] <kaylyn> I installed gcc and all of it's dependencies and it says that gcc (4.5-r36.1+svnr170880.9_armv7a.ipk) is configured but the command gcc is still not found. Does anyone happen to know what I'm missing?
[13:37:25] <koen> did you install task-native-sdk ?
[13:37:31] <koen> that should give you all the tools you need
[13:37:57] <kaylyn> Yea I used narcissus for that and it installed gdb but not gcc
[13:38:56] <kaylyn> It installed some of the dependencies for gcc but not all of them - but after using narcissus I was able to manually install the leftover ones
[13:40:40] <kaylyn> But I might be misusing narcissus at some point
[13:49:06] <koen> [ ] Native (on-target) SDK
[13:49:10] <koen> check that box :)
[13:49:23] <koen> it's under "development packages"
[13:51:28] <kaylyn> hmm yea I did that - if you use X11 to create the desktop environment does that change how you should use the image at all?
[13:51:42] <kaylyn> Either way I can try to recreate it
[13:55:25] <koen> jkridner: give http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beagleboard/u-boot.bin a try
[13:55:37] <koen> chase: you as well :)
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[13:57:16] <jkridner> the board I currently have up is the C5... should I switch to an xM or find a hub?
[13:57:30] <jkridner> or both?
[13:58:26] <koen> jkridner: the c5 + ASIX based ethernet worked better than my xM
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[14:03:19] <IulianU> do i need to change anything in the pin mux to be able to use the SD slot with SDIO devices? i don't understand...
[14:03:54] <jkridner> not sure, but the patch you sent for the wl1271 driver did adjust the mux.
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[14:05:56] <jkridner> I'd just suggest checking it: does the sdio driver adjust the pin mux? what is the default pin mux? what i/o pin states does your driver require?
[14:06:46] <jkridner> Essentially what I'm trying to say is I think the SDIO testing on BeagleBoard has been pretty limited--which is part of why it was removed on the xM to only provide microSD.
[14:06:54] <speakman> anyone knows if having MLO/x-loader on MMC will still run u-boot from nand?
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[14:07:07] <speakman> Only thing on MMC is MLO atm
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[14:07:51] <koen> speakman: depends on how you configured MLO
[14:08:01] <IulianU> jkridner: the driver definitely does not adjust the pin mux; it's agnostic when it comes to OMAP
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[14:12:50] <speakman> koen: how should it be configured? disable CFG_CMD_MMC?
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[14:15:58] <speakman> can I just overwrite MLO on MMC? or do I have to mkfs.msdos again?
[14:16:06] <av500> yes
[14:16:13] <mranostay> speakman: yes it is just a file
[14:16:56] <speakman> but doesn't it have to be located at an particular position?
[14:17:10] <speakman> or will x-load look in the FAT?
[14:17:51] <av500> it will indeed
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[14:17:59] <av500> clever little thing
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[14:19:26] <mranostay> speakman: MLO is x-loader
[14:20:40] <speakman> mranostay: yep
[14:20:49] <speakman> but it has to be called MLO right?
[14:21:03] <av500> yes
[14:23:19] <mru> koen: what is "belastingdienst"? they are sending letters to someone who used to live in my new flat
[14:23:59] <koen> mru: what the yanks call IRS
[14:24:04] <ant_work> in German that word sounds awful
[14:24:07] <koen> taxes
[14:24:21] <koen> ant_work: words always sounds awful in german
[14:24:45] <koen> ant_work: just look at the word for butterfly: schmetterling
[14:24:58] <koen> mru: I bet the envelope was blue
[14:25:09] <mru> yeo
[14:25:10] <mru> p
[14:25:35] <joelagnel> lol @ koen's post
[14:25:46] <joelagnel> "sir"
[14:25:49] <mranostay> koen: yeah that ruins butterfly for me
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[14:26:05] <mru> schmetterling sounds like a smattering
[14:26:12] <joelagnel> jkridner, seems tftpd went down again
[14:26:18] <djlewis> small greasy spot
[14:26:40] <koen> mru: there's a hard 'g' between the s and m
[14:26:55] <av500> mru: actually the word origin is the same
[14:27:02] <koen> and lots of foot stomping
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[14:27:45] <mru> koen: I know how it's pronounced
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[14:28:02] <joelagnel> jkridner, s/tftpd/thttpd/
[14:28:05] <mranostay> koen: counting in German makes you think imho :)
[14:28:16] <av500> its crazy
[14:28:25] <mru> not as bad as danish
[14:28:34] <av500> or french
[14:28:47] <av500> 4x20and19
[14:28:53] <ant_work> or french people speaking german
[14:29:11] <mru> 4 and 20 blackbirds...
[14:29:46] <ant_work> av500: one byte buffer
[14:29:59] <jkridner> joelagnel: it is odd, because I think it was still running. i restarted it.
[14:30:08] <av500> ant_work: er?
[14:30:11] <speakman> "Unsupported Chip!" "X-Loader hangs"
[14:30:18] <ant_work> vier und zwanzig
[14:30:24] <jkridner> i don't really know a lot about administrating thttpd, but I didn't think i really needed apache
[14:30:25] <mru> were the 4 included in the 20?
[14:30:33] <ant_work> first operand must be one byte
[14:30:33] <mranostay> speakman: then you have a wrong X-load build
[14:31:26] <jkridner> latest x-load is at http://gitorious.org/x-loader
[14:32:15] <joelagnel> jkridner, thanks
[14:32:45] <speakman> mranostay: it seems to work when written to nand... strange
[14:32:55] <joelagnel> It crashed for some reason, I guess
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[16:18:46] <koen> av500: still no codes yet, the mailinglist is savage!
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[16:25:19] <koen> sakoman_: your .38 kernel for overo boos ~1.5 seconds faster than the beagle .39
[16:25:25] <koen> boots*
[16:25:40] <koen> sakoman_: but it still waits ~2 seconds for ehci reset
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[16:31:27] <jkridner> It will make for a nasty experience for people that want to do NFS....
[16:31:48] <koen> people who want nfs are masochists anyway
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[16:31:57] <jkridner> is there any kind of way to have a deferred initialization?
[16:31:58] <koen> anachronistic masochists
[16:32:00] <ds2> if you are doing NFS....
[16:32:20] <koen> jkridner: and nfs people can do an initramfs
[16:32:35] <jkridner> doesn't late-init have some mechanism for taking a trigger from userspace?
[16:32:59] <ds2> USBroot folks would probally be more surprised
[16:33:48] <jkridner> well, I think people doing NFS on BeagleBoard are a small minority, but we need to provide *some* mechanism for it. can we get a write-up on doing it with initramfs? I've never succeeded in getting OE to spit me out an initramfs kernel.
[16:34:00] <jkridner> then again, I didn't spend sufficient effort trying.
[16:34:16] <ds2> I have
[16:34:25] <ds2> it takes major shannagans for OE to do it right
[16:34:25] <jkridner> USBroot is probably a more common use-case.
[16:34:32] <jkridner> ds2: you used OE?!?
[16:34:39] * mru uses nfsroot
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[16:34:48] <mru> but /me does not use OE kernels
[16:34:52] <ds2> jkridner: I said I didn't like it, not I didn't use it or donno how to use it ;)
[16:35:16] <mru> why on earth would you need initramfs for nfs?
[16:35:35] <koen> because ehci is a module in that scenario
[16:35:38] <ds2> cuz on some @#$!@#@!!$#!@#!@# boards, USB takes ages to initialize
[16:35:51] <mru> if you want nfsroot over usb, don't make ehci a module
[16:35:52] <mru> simple
[16:36:03] <koen> mru: that's what I was saying as well
[16:36:04] <ds2> that isn't always enough
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[16:36:27] <koen> on panda I can boot userspace into X faster than the kernel inits ehci
[16:36:31] <mru> as long as you're not making it impossible to build ehci static I don't care
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[16:36:55] <mru> I reboot my boards so rarely that I don't care
[16:36:58] <koen> mru: no, this is just about setting CONFIG_WHATEVER_EHCI to M in angstrom
[16:37:09] <mru> but I don't like copying stuff to sdcards
[16:37:18] <ds2> OE doesn't make it trivial to change stuff like that :P
[16:37:28] <mru> guess why I don't use oe
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[16:37:41] <koen> ds2: it's really trivial
[16:37:46] <koen> vi defconfig
[16:37:51] <koen> edit
[16:37:53] <koen> :wq
[16:37:54] <koen> done
[16:37:56] <mru> ridiculous
[16:38:09] <koen> you can use emacs as well
[16:38:17] <mru> every time I hear defconfig mentioned, I want to stab someone with a rusty spork
[16:38:20] <mru> not sure who
[16:38:26] <joelagnel> lol
[16:38:38] <ds2> koen: uh huh... as trivial as vi fooo.bb
[16:38:48] <koen> ds2: you don't even need to touch a bb
[16:38:48] <mru> if you change it, it's no longer the default dammit
[16:38:57] <joelagnel> So, is "nfsroot" a general term for mounting a rootfs over nfs or is it something else
[16:38:58] <koen> editing defconfig is enough
[16:39:17] <koen> mru: I would recommend using a normal fork for stabbing
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[16:39:43] <ds2> so much easier to change it outside of OE
[16:39:56] <jkridner> joelagnel: it is the kernel argument you pass to set the rootfs to be an NFS mount
[16:40:00] <ds2> editing configs like that can have side effects
[16:40:12] <koen> 'cause vi .config saves 2 chars over vi defconfig?
[16:40:20] <joelagnel> jkridner, thanks for clarifying
[16:40:28] <ds2> no, cuz changing things like that doesn't check dependencies
[16:40:42] <ds2> so when it runs make silentconfig, all hell can break loose
[16:41:12] <ds2> vi defconfig is about as safe as me mixing and matching libraries
[16:42:15] <joelagnel> jkridner, me got dsplink and omap lpm built for .39 and loaded onto board . Now am running some demos
[16:43:31] <jkridner> excellent. dsplink demos should work. it'll be interesting to know about any failures, so you should be able to run through them all.
[16:44:05] <jkridner> it shouldn't be until you try to do something with gstreamer-ti that something fails.
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[16:46:13] <jkridner> koen: is it possible to have multiple kernels built and to be able to select them via Narcissus? I'd say the shipping demo image would be fine to be with EHCI as a module as folks doing nfsroot should understand how to go get a different kernel and usbroot folks might struggle a bit more, but can be led to Narcissus or opkg install other-kernel
[16:46:15] <joelagnel> jkridner, I am using dmai svn rev 570 (as in the OE recipe). do you expect problems with the latest or do all dmai revs break with .39?
[16:46:43] <jkridner> I expect there isn't a version that works with .39 yet.
[16:46:54] <koen> jkridner: yes, no
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[16:47:21] <jkridner> k, then "opkg install other-kernel" will be the solution? I'm OK with that too.
[16:47:28] <koen> jkridner: offering multiple kernels is way too hard for beagle users
[16:47:43] <koen> jkridner: see the kernel-oops-with-musb reports
[16:48:19] <koen> jkridner: people needing nfsroot should be smart enough to figure it out
[16:48:29] <koen> *if* we make ehci a module
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[16:49:40] <sakoman_> koen: do you know why the overo kernel boots faster?
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[16:49:55] <koen> sakoman_: maybe less builtin
[16:50:18] <koen> sakoman_: I just need to tell Crofton|work to fix the usrp uboot to has a shorter bootdelay
[16:50:26] <sakoman_> is there much of a size difference?
[16:50:46] <koen> sakoman_: I can boot the usrp into X with the slow sd card faster than uboots bootdelay
[16:51:12] <sakoman_> heh, that's sad
[16:51:16] <koen> sakoman_: I haven't looked into the differences, I just notices that the kernel takes ~3.5s instead of ~5
[16:51:26] <koen> sakoman_: 10s bootdelay is crazy
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[16:52:09] <koen> I patched beagle 2011.06 uboot to use 2s
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[16:53:57] <koen> sakoman_: if you're looking at kernel configs, try to follow http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-core/2011-June/004113.html
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[17:08:03] <emeb> w00t! - Rev 2.1 Beagle FPGA now configures itself at powerup from onboard SPI flash
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[17:30:55] <_av500_> nice
[17:32:28] <prpplague> emeb: very nice
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[17:32:56] <prpplague> emeb: i am shopping around for a good fpga to use on the GPMC of the pandaboard
[17:33:12] <koen> of course the interesting stuff gets said during a netsplit
[17:33:21] <emeb> prpplague: how much I/O you need?
[17:34:07] <prpplague> emeb: 24-lines on each side, and i need to be able to support 1.8v i/o
[17:34:43] <emeb> prpplague: 1.8V isn't a problem. 24 lines each side not too bad either.
[17:35:13] <emeb> prpplague: the 100-pin pkg Xilinx Spartan 3A I use can do all that.
[17:35:27] <emeb> prpplague: costs ~$10 in qty
[17:46:52] <koen> Crofton|work: ping
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[17:53:49] <ds2> what's the smallest FPGA with a hardcore ARM inside it from Xilinx?
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[18:20:42] <emeb> ds2: Xilinx announce the Zynq7000 family a few months back, but they're not small and definitely not available yet.
[18:22:00] <emeb> ds2: Cypress has a set of PSoC chips with an ARM Cortex-M3 on them, but those aren't quite what I'd call FPGAs.
[18:22:21] <ds2> emeb: the PSoC's availability is questionable at best
[18:22:47] <emeb> ds2: yep - the high-end parts are scarce.
[18:22:58] <ds2> emeb: what's your board's current idle power consumption?
[18:23:33] <emeb> ds2: haven't checked yet. Not much - the LDOs barely get warm.
[18:23:52] <prpplague> emeb: thanks i'll have a look
[18:23:58] <ds2> but low enough to say, to sit there on a CR2032 for a few days?
[18:24:12] <emeb> ds2: definitely not
[18:24:12] <prpplague> emeb: i really just wanted a CPLD, as that is all i really need
[18:24:27] <ds2> prpplague: a farm of 22V10's? :D
[18:24:34] <emeb> prpplague: understood. FPGA is overkill for static apps
[18:24:37] <ds2> or maybe the other lattice devices?
[18:24:41] <prpplague> ds2: hehe
[18:24:54] <prpplague> ds2: well i could do it with two coolrunners
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[18:37:54] <ds2> prpplague: non static FPGAs and the power consumptions are just not very enticing
[18:38:26] <prpplague> ds2: understood
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[18:44:00] <zumbi> prpplague: what are you trying to do (re FPGA/CPLD)?
[18:45:04] <prpplague> zumbi: i have GPMC to PATA working, just trying to find a combination of components that will be in the range of a viable retail product
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[18:46:43] <zumbi> prpplague: you want to use PATA to hook an FPGA to the ARM?
[18:46:55] <prpplague> zumbi: no
[18:47:20] <prpplague> zumbi: using the GPMC on omap3/4 to a FPGA/CPLD to create a PATA interface
[18:47:45] <zumbi> ah! well it is interesting..
[18:48:07] <zumbi> the problem with FPGA is power consumption quite high
[18:48:26] <zumbi> about 10mA/pin
[18:48:43] <zumbi> CPLD might be in the low power
[18:49:03] * prpplague isn't concerned about the power issue
[18:49:32] <zumbi> if power is not an option, there are spartan-3 which are nice for less than 15$ or get an spartan-6 with full magic
[18:50:30] <prpplague> yea i currently have it working with two coolrunners, just going to take some research to decide on the best solution
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[18:51:09] <zumbi> spartan-6, the higher ones supported but free licensed webpack can be around 80-100$
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[18:56:59] <ds2> prpplague is okay with using 10A current loops if it makes it easier ;)
[18:57:09] <prpplague> ds2: indeed
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[18:59:08] <ds2> I would be a bit afraid that 10A current loops might erase the HD first }:-)
[18:59:27] <emeb> I wish Beagle had the GPMC brought out... :(
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[19:00:41] <ds2> just make it an 8 layer board
[19:00:58] <emeb> ds2: it's already pretty close to that isn't it?
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[19:02:51] <ds2> it is 6 layers
[19:03:03] <ds2> the panda is either 8 or 10 layers
[19:03:16] <djlewis> is everything brought out ;)
[19:04:22] <ds2> doubt it
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[19:04:33] <ds2> for that you need an SDP
[19:04:45] <prpplague> fyi, APEX is now available on gitorious - https://gitorious.org/apex
[19:04:46] <djlewis> it is amazing how much is in those omap's
[19:05:22] <emeb> apex - sounds interesting.
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[19:06:32] <ds2> apex for O2/O3/O4?
[19:06:38] <emeb> like how the NOTES file hasn't been updated since Jan 2009
[19:07:30] <prpplague> emeb: its hasn't been actively updated as a community project in a while
[19:08:03] <prpplague> emeb: there are a lot of companies that use it, but there hasn't been a central source to push patches back to for a long time
[19:08:30] <emeb> prpplague: aha - so this is the opportunity to start collecting updates...
[19:09:11] <prpplague> emeb: yea
[19:09:25] <prpplague> emeb: i have omap4 support, just need to get it merged and tested
[19:09:49] <prpplague> emeb: apex is small enough so you don't need separate MLO and bootloder
[19:10:06] <emeb> prpplague: oooh! No MLO is nice.
[19:10:35] <emeb> although for BB, I suppose it would still have to be called MLO. ;)
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[19:12:35] <prpplague> emeb: yea the apex binary would have to be signed and named MLO
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[19:52:32] <Tectu> where or how can i remove the "beagleboard.org" image in the top left corner of the screent from the microSD image which is delivered with the BeagleBoard-xM?
[19:54:06] <_av500_> its mandatory
[19:54:14] <Tectu> what does that mean?
[19:54:22] <Tectu> isn't it a .png or .jpg anywhere?
[19:54:24] <Tectu> somewhere*
[19:55:25] <djlewis> hey, don't dis respect the beagle ;)
[19:55:45] <Tectu> i don't, i just hate it on a small screen >_>
[19:56:04] <Tectu> and i had it displayed now for ages, so i think i am able to remove it now...
[19:56:09] <Tectu> so, can anyone tell me how?
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[20:00:44] <_av500_> Tectu: im not sure
[20:00:58] <_av500_> the sd card that comes with it has a ramdisk image afaik
[20:01:04] <_av500_> not easy to modify
[20:01:29] <Tectu> damn
[20:01:37] <_av500_> Tectu: build your own image with narcissus
[20:02:00] <Tectu> what's better with that method than taking the standard angstrom image?
[20:02:20] <Tectu> it's a kind of LFS? :D
[20:02:34] <_av500_> if you have a std angstrom, then its not a ramdisk image
[20:02:40] <_av500_> that you should be able to edit it
[20:03:25] <Tectu> the problem is, that i thought i can take the image which is on the microSD which is delivered with it to work, so i save time ^^
[20:04:19] <Tectu> but okay, i'll build my own then
[20:08:56] <Tectu> when i built an image with narcissus, i got two donwloadlink, one "angstrom-image-beagleboard.tar.gz[64.36MiB]" and one "lasseangstrom-image-beagleboard.tar.gz[259.87MiB]". what is the difference between them? they're both tagged as the rootfs
[20:09:54] <_av500_> hmm
[20:10:01] <Tectu> there isn't any hint :D
[20:10:04] <Tectu> on the side
[20:10:06] <Tectu> site*
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[20:14:27] <_av500_> if in doubt, try it out
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[20:15:15] <Tectu> the size difference is huge...
[20:16:15] <djlewis> replace the image with your favorite supermodel :)
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[20:22:32] <kaylyn> How do you log into Gnome for the first time? I have tried using a serial connection but using root and no password but it hasn't gone through for me yet
[20:27:13] <djlewis> kaylyn: for gnome you need either a remote login or A Monitor. kybd and mouse
[20:27:37] <djlewis> serial console is just a console
[20:28:47] <Tectu> i have a problem now: i set up the microSD card with armstron ans the eLinux.org wiki says, when i boot, my monitor means "Frequency not supported" can i change that on the boot settings? and how can i save them, i mean, the BealgeBoard-xM dosen't have any NAND
[20:28:49] <djlewis> kaylyn: if I understood you properly?
[20:29:52] <djlewis> Tectu: isnt there a couple of binary header files with .scr extension for that?
[20:30:15] <djlewis> they should live on the boot / DOS partition
[20:30:42] <Tectu> they're on the boot partition already or do i have to download them?
[20:30:46] <kaylyn> djlewis: I have the keyboard mouse and monitor connected but I don't know what the initial login is supposed to be. It won't take root as the user through the inital GUI?
[20:33:23] <Tectu> djlewis: can you give me some more informations please? where can i find them? i have the MLO, uBoot and uImage on the boot atm
[20:33:52] <djlewis> kaylyn: its been several versions back since I tried logging into Angstrom GUI. perhaps they put a pwd on it.
[20:34:11] <djlewis> Tectu: google boot.scr beagleboard XM
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[20:37:44] <kaylyn> hmm alright, thanks djlewis
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[20:38:46] <djlewis> kaylyn: iirc the initial gui asked to setup an account
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[20:40:18] <djlewis> kaylyn: what prompt msg is returned when you try to login as root?
[20:41:39] <kaylyn> djlewis: When I try to login with the GUI it says Authentication Failure and when I try it on the console it just repeatedly asks for a login/password
[20:42:01] <djlewis> try pwd of root
[20:44:32] <kaylyn> That didn't open it
[20:44:48] <djlewis> kaylyn: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ says root is a empty pwd field
[20:45:04] <djlewis> just hit enter.
[20:45:09] <djlewis> must be another problem
[20:46:01] <kaylyn> Yea I probably messed up something
[20:46:26] <kaylyn> I'll just switch back to solely using the console - I'm pretty sure I can make that work I was just interested in trying out the other options just to see what was available
[20:46:39] <djlewis> when you type in the console does it show exactly what you enter?
[20:46:54] <djlewis> thinking garbled serial
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[20:47:23] <kaylyn> sometimes it the output is a little off - like some of the characters show up as symbols
[20:47:42] <emeb> Helping a buddy build a synth with the beagle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_zIMIt2hco
[20:47:42] <djlewis> fix that first.
[20:48:15] <kaylyn> Alright I'll look into it - thanks :)
[20:49:11] <djlewis> :)
[20:49:21] <djlewis> emeb: just midi to beagle?
[20:49:29] <djlewis> beagle does the rest?
[20:49:42] <emeb> djlewis: Yep midi in to beagle & audio out
[20:49:50] <djlewis> cool :)
[20:50:20] <djlewis> i have a bunch of midi gear but never could train myself to be a musician
[20:50:32] <emeb> my problem too.
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[20:50:54] <djlewis> so as he controls the synth knobs BB is translating?
[20:51:19] <emeb> djlewis: yeah - MIDI continuous control message to tweak the synth parameters.
[20:51:28] <djlewis> :)
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[20:52:21] <emeb> synth is all done in software running from the linux cmd line.
[20:53:02] <emeb> Running on a copy of Sakoman R12 / Angstrom with portaudio libraries.
[20:53:52] <djlewis> emeb: you make sakoman_ proud :)
[20:54:38] <djlewis> you guys will get some piece and quite this weekend as I will be off at relatives.
[20:54:51] <emeb> heh - piece. ;)
[20:55:03] <djlewis> peace :P
[20:55:14] <djlewis> or perhaps a piece of quiet
[20:55:15] <mru> and maybe even quiet
[20:55:22] <emeb> I am 12. ;P
[20:55:27] <djlewis> hehee
[20:56:42] <djlewis> and I wonder why i am so misunderstood ;)
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[21:11:51] <emeb> viterbi algorithm - bah!
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[21:13:26] <_av500_> aaaah
[21:15:47] <emeb> you said it.
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[21:17:47] <djlewis> emeb: looked it up, it hurt my brain, but sounds interesting :)
[21:18:14] <emeb> djlewis: widely used in wireless (and HD read channels too).
[21:18:37] <emeb> debugging it is a beast tho
[21:19:00] <_av500_> then dont put bugs
[21:19:21] <emeb> how can you tell when there's a bug in an error corrector? It tries to fix them but doesn't quite do it as well as it should...
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[21:23:44] <ds2> logo removal fee - $20,000 cash service ;)
[21:24:04] <emeb> any logo in particular?
[21:25:21] <_av500_> nagstorm logo
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[21:40:46] <ds2> you have a choice ;)
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[21:49:40] <Tectu> djlewis: sorry, was afk, okay, i googled that boot.scr thing, thank you.
[21:50:10] <Tectu> something like this should work, shouldn't it? setenv bootargs 'console=ttyS2,115200n8 omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x1024MR-16@50 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext3 rootwait'
[21:55:41] <Tectu> the debuging output over RS232 looks okay, it reads the boot.scr file sucessully and boots, but my monitors says "Frequency not supported" all the time
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[21:58:36] <Tectu> but it boots, i can loggin via RS232 -.-
[21:59:50] <ds2> drop a scope on V-sync and H-sync and the pixel clock to see if it looks like it should be a supported frequency
[22:00:33] <Tectu> lol? you're seriuos?
[22:02:21] <Tectu> btw, it worked with a debian ARM image
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[22:07:19] <mru> ds2: too bad connecting an xyz scope to the crt deflector circuits and getting the image on the scope doesn't work any more
[22:08:14] <ds2> you need to get a more traditional scope ;)
[22:08:33] <mru> I have the scope
[22:08:46] <mru> ancient tektronix
[22:09:10] <mru> but I have no crts
[22:09:17] <mru> other than the one in said scope
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[22:15:20] * emeb used a scope in XY mode to debug an old Tempest video game a few weeks ago...
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[22:18:58] <djlewis> emeb: did you use Z for intensity?
[22:19:31] <emeb> djlewis: no intensity - just xy
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[22:19:59] <emeb> (my scope has a z input but that has fixed gain of 10V/div or something equally useless)
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[23:26:29] <joelagnel> hi _av500_
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[23:27:14] <joelagnel> where did you get the memory map values, in this post: http://tinyurl.com/44e822s ?
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