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  • [07:57:42] <JLaurin> Hi, trying to get the DSP working on Angstroem, and it seems like i need to set some bootargs for this purpose. Where can these be set? Cause it seems like the Kernel overrides the bootargs set before booting up the board
  • [07:59:15] <JLaurin> Previously I've modified the boot.scr file for e.g android, but cannot find anything similiar for Angstroem
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  • [08:06:37] <koen> see http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
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  • [08:23:30] <JLaurin> koen: I've got my Angstroem distribution from that page, though I've got no clue where to put the bootargs for DSP mentioned on the page
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  • [08:24:54] <koen> but where you are use to put them
  • [08:24:59] <koen> it's still linux + uboot
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  • [08:26:14] <JLaurin> I'm not sure about that, all the references that I find on google says to change the bootargs in the OMAP Beagleboard#: prompt
  • [08:26:29] <JLaurin> but those are overiden when the kernel boots
  • [08:27:44] <JLaurin> OMAP Beagleboard#: Setenv .....
  • [08:27:55] <JLaurin> OMAP Beagleboard#: Savenv
  • [08:27:58] <JLaurin> doesnt work
  • [08:28:11] <av500> XM has no nand
  • [08:28:14] <av500> thus no saveenv
  • [08:28:19] <JLaurin> Im using C4
  • [08:28:27] <av500> then saveenv works
  • [08:29:02] <JLaurin> But still, the kernel overrides the setenv done before boot
  • [08:29:37] <av500> naughty kernel
  • [08:29:59] <JLaurin> I got the same problem when changing for example resolution when booting android, but i solved it through modifing the boot.scr file
  • [08:30:13] <av500> and that does not give you a hint?
  • [08:31:05] <JLaurin> that's my question, what is needed to be modified in Anstroem, there is no boot.scr file, what's similiar to this in Angstroem?
  • [08:31:36] <woglinde> av500 hm there is some partly imple to save the env on sd-card
  • [08:32:06] <av500> woglinde: no, thats impossible!
  • [08:32:09] <av500> it CANNOT be done
  • [08:32:12] <av500> NEVER
  • [08:32:42] <woglinde> uhm why?
  • [08:32:50] <av500> it just CANT
  • [08:32:50] <woglinde> no write support in u-boot?
  • [08:33:16] <JLaurin> There still needs to be somekind of file that sets the bootargs for Angstroem, but cannot find that one
  • [08:33:24] <av500> tried boot.scr?
  • [08:33:49] <JLaurin> av500: me?
  • [08:34:02] <av500> yes
  • [08:34:25] <JLaurin> I mentioned it before, there is no boot.scr in Angstroem
  • [08:34:42] <JLaurin> That's the problem :P
  • [08:34:52] <av500> and files cannot be created?
  • [08:35:50] <av500> but, if there is no boot.scr, then uboot wont load it and use whatever is stored in NAND
  • [08:36:41] <av500> JLaurin: in the meantine, pastebin your bootlog
  • [08:37:44] <JLaurin> true, then i think that the angstroem demo on the HP koen linked is quite missleading
  • [08:37:57] <JLaurin> I'll plug in my beagle, just got to work =)
  • [08:38:30] <woglinde> use narcissus
  • [08:38:34] <woglinde> there is boot.scr
  • [08:39:09] <av500> there are many ways to skin a cat
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  • [08:45:56] <JLaurin> http://pastebin.com/2BJBUnCQ
  • [08:45:59] <JLaurin> here we go
  • [08:47:05] <koen> ttyO2 and .32?
  • [08:47:39] <woglinde> *g*
  • [08:48:25] <woglinde> looks like the demoimage anyway
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  • [08:50:06] <woglinde> but older one
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  • [08:50:16] <woglinde> koen updated in mid may
  • [08:51:06] <JLaurin> allright, seems like i got the one before the update
  • [08:51:18] <JLaurin> but should it influence the DSP?
  • [08:51:34] <woglinde> or the files were just touched
  • [08:51:39] <woglinde> no?
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  • [08:53:51] <JLaurin> Still, it doesn't find the DSP while setting those bootargs in the OMAP Beagleboard prompt, propably beacause of kernel override
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  • [08:55:04] <av500> "find the DSP"?
  • [08:55:10] <woglinde> hm?
  • [08:55:24] <JLaurin> dev/DSP
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  • [08:55:34] <JLaurin> cannot see it
  • [08:56:00] <av500> why does your paste miss the kernel logs?
  • [08:56:14] <woglinde> sure mmcboot is overriding it
  • [08:56:26] <woglinde> you should have typed printenv
  • [08:56:33] <woglinde> to see whats going on
  • [08:56:33] <JLaurin> that is the whole bootlog
  • [08:56:57] <woglinde> instead of randomly try savenev
  • [08:57:09] <woglinde> hm there is something like /proc/cmdline
  • [08:57:19] <woglinde> but psst this a secret
  • [08:57:38] <av500> JLaurin: retry with console=ttyS2...
  • [08:58:04] <av500> and do a printenv before you boot
  • [08:58:30] <JLaurin> allright
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  • [09:09:53] <woglinde> and beware the kernel mem definitons for cmem modul are only for gstremaer codec-engine use
  • [09:14:01] <JLaurin> okey, saw something about that :)
  • [09:14:02] <JLaurin> http://pastebin.com/7bAi6RAW
  • [09:14:31] <JLaurin> that's the new bootlog, the DSP is found.. though when i try to use it, it says: "Device or resource busy"
  • [09:15:05] <JLaurin> is it because of the gstreamer?
  • [09:15:13] <av500> next step, replace 99M with 80M
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  • [09:15:47] <JLaurin> okey :)
  • [09:15:50] <av500> it says it clearly here: [ 97.942840] CMEM phys_start (0x86300000) overlaps kernel (0x80000000 -> 0x8e300000)
  • [09:16:32] <JLaurin> oh... not good, i'll try with 80M
  • [09:17:09] <JLaurin> really appreciating the help, I've tried to getting this work for a couple of days.. only rubbish on google
  • [09:18:10] <av500> er, sec
  • [09:18:35] <av500> 99M is ok
  • [09:18:53] <av500> 0x6300000 is 99M
  • [09:19:07] <av500> and cmem loaded
  • [09:19:09] <av500> sorry for the noise
  • [09:19:29] <JLaurin> allright, np
  • [09:20:34] <JLaurin> "Device or resource busy" for the DSP... why oh why!
  • [09:20:43] <av500> doing what?
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  • [09:21:39] <JLaurin> cat /dev/urandom -> /dev/dsp
  • [09:21:45] <JLaurin> just a random test for the dsp
  • [09:21:46] <av500> WTF?
  • [09:21:50] <av500> WTF?
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  • [09:22:09] <av500> thanks for wasting our time
  • [09:22:51] <JLaurin> what's wrong with that?
  • [09:23:16] <koen> that's the soundcard, not the dsp
  • [09:24:05] <JLaurin> hmm ok, how is the DSP tested?
  • [09:24:13] <JLaurin> a simple one
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  • [09:25:22] <koen> with the dsplink or CE examples
  • [09:27:07] <JLaurin> ok thanks
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  • [09:28:49] <JLaurin> av500: still; trying the DSP was only a thing i did at the end, the main problem seemed to be the tty02
  • [09:30:21] <JLaurin> Anyway, thanks for the help
  • [09:31:23] <woglinde> hm /dev/dsp nice
  • [09:31:53] <woglinde> ce examples and dsplink only works with mem=80
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  • [12:15:05] <aarti> azad, hi
  • [12:16:05] <azad> yeah i got it.. thanks 4r ur amiable!
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  • [12:57:12] <JLaurin> Allright, after some headchopping i've found at that it's the dsplink (one of the options) that needs to be used for audio development. There's a dsplink in the /dev catalog, but still, do i need to bitbake ti-dsplink and install compilers to make use of it? Or is it built in into the latest angstrom distro?
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  • [12:57:57] <woglinde> JLaurin you can install it from the repos
  • [12:58:00] <av500> lsmod
  • [12:58:28] <woglinde> JLaurin and what exactly you want to do with the dsp?
  • [12:58:39] <av500> audio development
  • [12:59:18] <mru> audio is easier on a floating-point dsp
  • [12:59:28] <woglinde> *g*
  • [12:59:37] <woglinde> like NEON?
  • [12:59:42] <mru> that's not a dsp
  • [12:59:49] <mru> but it can do audio, sure
  • [13:01:26] <JLaurin> I've implemented some C-code that makes full duplex audio processing, writing/reading from/to the dsp descriptor with read/write syscalls
  • [13:01:42] <JLaurin> but i think that i need to change this, though its not the dsp descrpitor anymore
  • [13:02:03] * mru chuckles
  • [13:02:07] <JLaurin> correct me if im wrong
  • [13:02:26] <av500> JLaurin: you mix up dsp and dsp
  • [13:02:40] <woglinde> hm again?
  • [13:02:44] <av500> /dev/dsp as the old OSS device to input/output audio samples
  • [13:02:47] <mru> /dev/dsp is a stupid name though
  • [13:02:55] <av500> and the "dsp" as the digital signal processor on the omap3
  • [13:03:07] <av500> mru: linux is full of stupid names
  • [13:03:27] <woglinde> yes yes
  • [13:03:43] <JLaurin> confusement deluxe, yesyes
  • [13:03:53] <koen> drat
  • [13:03:59] <koen> I'm not supposed to be working today
  • [13:04:06] <koen> a holiday both in the UK and US
  • [13:04:06] <mru> uk bank holiday?
  • [13:04:17] <mru> what is it in the us?
  • [13:04:29] <koen> mermorial day or something
  • [13:04:52] <koen> but not a holiday in southern germany or israel
  • [13:05:25] <mru> aren't you in .nl?
  • [13:05:37] <JLaurin> I try to clarify what i'm doing, one minute
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  • [13:06:12] <woglinde> koen you have holiday on thursday too?
  • [13:06:20] <koen> woglinde: I think so
  • [13:07:14] <bioster> Hi there, I'm having some issues with gpio & the expansion slots... when I 'echo 1 > value' or 'echo 0 > value' in the psuedo-directory for the pin, I don't seem to get any change in voltages.
  • [13:07:50] <JLaurin> http://pastebin.com/KBgHs0a4 This is a short code sample of reading from the DSP Device ON my linux computer
  • [13:07:52] <bioster> It seems to always be outputting 1.8v... do I need to do something to get the gpio stuff to work? (This is a beaglboard-xm btw)
  • [13:08:07] <koen> bioster: and direction is set to 'out'?
  • [13:08:18] <bioster> koen: yes
  • [13:08:42] <koen> ok, my gpio knowledge has been exhausted now
  • [13:09:11] <JLaurin> i need to get the relation and understanding of how it should look like on the "BB DSP"
  • [13:09:24] <JLaurin> briefly
  • [13:09:32] <av500> [15:02:26] <av500> JLaurin: you mix up dsp and dsp
  • [13:09:41] <av500> [15:02:44] <av500> /dev/dsp as the old OSS device to input/output audio samples
  • [13:09:46] <av500> [15:02:54] <av500> and the "dsp" as the digital signal processor on the omap3
  • [13:10:03] <av500> so, for your use case, ignore the "DSP"
  • [13:10:10] <av500> and go on using /dev/dsp
  • [13:10:16] <koen> there's a ton of info on http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Main_Page
  • [13:10:22] <koen> but it's a wiki, so caveat emptor
  • [13:11:10] <JLaurin> av500: so this code will work on the BB?
  • [13:11:22] <av500> have you tried?
  • [13:12:41] <JLaurin> i get "Device or resource busy", so i think it needs to be modified
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  • [13:13:45] <av500> maybe, but all this has nothing to do with the DSP
  • [13:14:08] <JLaurin> clarify me
  • [13:14:15] <av500> not a 3rd time
  • [13:14:25] <JLaurin> okok, i know what you mean then
  • [13:15:14] <JLaurin> Is there anykind of code examples or good reading for this kind of application? I think i've got it all mixed up
  • [13:15:25] <woglinde> try lsof and see what other app is using /dev/dsp
  • [13:15:33] <woglinde> and zapp this app
  • [13:15:42] <av500> appzap.apk
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  • [13:18:00] <JLaurin> i guess av500 is tired for the day :) it's not easy being a tutor
  • [13:18:19] <woglinde> lsof
  • [13:19:07] <JLaurin> yeppyepp, booting
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  • [13:21:34] <JLaurin> command not found
  • [13:21:40] <JLaurin> works on ubuntu though
  • [13:22:09] <woglinde> opkg install lsof
  • [13:22:55] <JLaurin> I'm waiting for my TCP->USB hub =) just realized that one of those is quite sufficient
  • [13:24:06] <JLaurin> I guess the workload will ease alot when it arrives
  • [13:25:01] <woglinde> ?
  • [13:25:09] <woglinde> use g_ether driver
  • [13:26:42] <JLaurin> I've tried getting it work, problem is that i'm sitting on a VMWare and it's quite troublesome geting the network working
  • [13:26:55] * ogra_ wonders why /dev/dsp still exists at all ... its so obsolete that it smells out of the /dev directory
  • [13:28:05] <mru> well, it works
  • [13:28:10] <av500> wasnt OSS emulation the "sane" subset of the alsa API?
  • [13:28:16] <woglinde> sane?
  • [13:28:19] <ogra_> heh
  • [13:28:27] <woglinde> hm some apps still use it
  • [13:28:27] <av500> and what mru said
  • [13:28:31] <woglinde> like flash?
  • [13:28:35] <ogra_> nah
  • [13:28:37] <mru> it's common enough that oss emu works while pure alsa does not
  • [13:28:39] <woglinde> *g*
  • [13:28:42] <av500> flahs uses alsa
  • [13:28:47] <ogra_> flash has proper alsa and ??pulse handlers nowadays
  • [13:28:52] <ogra_> *pulse
  • [13:28:56] <woglinde> av500 there was even a pulse handler
  • [13:28:59] <woglinde> ieehks pulse
  • [13:29:02] <av500> ask mike how bad it was to implement sound for linux flash
  • [13:29:02] <mru> last I checked, the flash alsa layer was terrible
  • [13:29:13] <woglinde> I bet they still dont have my uclibc integrated
  • [13:29:31] <woglinde> mru you got the source code?
  • [13:29:36] <mru> http://blogs.adobe.com/penguinswf/files/penguinswf/linuxaudio.png
  • [13:29:40] <ogra_> well, the dsp layer hasnt been used in years by flash (i'm not even sure its still in the code)
  • [13:30:01] <mru> woglinde: for a while at least they handled audio output in a separate .so with source available
  • [13:30:11] <mru> so people could adapt it to different systems easily
  • [13:30:26] <av500> fighting wrappers with wrappers
  • [13:30:26] <ogra_> 2007 ...
  • [13:30:49] <woglinde> mru intressting
  • [13:30:50] <mru> yes, it's woefully incomplete now
  • [13:31:21] <JLaurin> wellwell, g2g... I'll be back banging my head on the office desk tomorrow (Waiting like a child on christmas...)
  • [13:31:34] <JLaurin> thanks for the help btw, cu!
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  • [13:32:04] <woglinde> hm the blogs are funny
  • [13:32:06] <woglinde> Lost Images in the PDF on Your iPad or iPhone?
  • [13:32:12] * mru is willing to bet he'll be back tomorrow with the same question
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  • [13:32:35] <woglinde> we will see
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  • [13:43:06] <woglinde> lol
  • [13:43:11] <woglinde> fc15 is great success
  • [13:43:31] <woglinde> vanished imap mails, dying nm crap
  • [13:43:36] <woglinde> crashing gedit
  • [13:43:46] <woglinde> good I never used it
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  • [13:45:31] <ogra_> woglinde, that only happens if you dont use gnome3 ...
  • [13:45:40] <ogra_> :P
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  • [13:46:35] <mru> hopefully gnome will wither and die now that shuttleworth has stopped the cash flow
  • [13:46:53] <ogra_> heh
  • [13:47:11] <ogra_> rh is still paying for it
  • [13:47:32] <ogra_> and given their NIH syndrome i doubt they will ever allow unity in their images
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  • [13:50:11] <woglinde> wuha cool presentation soft with qml
  • [13:50:20] <woglinde> animated background
  • [13:50:27] <av500> +1
  • [13:50:29] <woglinde> I should do it next time with it
  • [13:51:26] <woglinde> people will concentrate on the background
  • [13:51:34] <woglinde> so you can tell them a lot of shit
  • [13:52:07] <bioster> Is there anyone here that has authority over the google groups list?
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  • [13:52:14] <koen> http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/cms/optimizing-the-boot-process
  • [13:52:23] <koen> bioster: jkridner, but it's a US holiday
  • [13:54:15] <woglinde> koen good job
  • [13:54:28] <woglinde> now I should try it with uclibc again
  • [13:54:46] <bioster> koen: thanks, I'll talk to him the next time I see him
  • [13:55:36] <woglinde> koen how fast is it when you drop the avahi crap?
  • [13:56:34] <ogra_> lol
  • [13:56:36] <koen> woglinde: dunno, I actually use that crap :)
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  • [13:56:54] <ogra_> so it boots fast if you remove everything that makes it usable ?
  • [13:57:02] <ogra_> otherwise it boots slow ?
  • [13:57:12] <av500> no, then it boots you
  • [13:57:17] <ogra_> heh
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  • [13:58:01] <koen> ogra_: the filesystem has the same stuff enabled in sysv and systemd
  • [13:58:09] * ogra_ always wonders when apple will hire lennart so they dont get all these opensource clones of their software
  • [13:58:45] <koen> that's redhats strategy
  • [13:58:49] <koen> get bought by apple
  • [13:58:53] <koen> have you looked at gnome3?
  • [13:58:57] <ogra_> yes
  • [13:59:04] <koen> it's pretty much setup like my osx desktop
  • [13:59:09] <mru> and you lived to tell the tale?
  • [13:59:12] <koen> even including active corners :)
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  • [13:59:56] <bioster> Ok, so the expansion pins have to be muxed into gpio mode before I can use them, right? Would exporting and doing other things with it in /sys/class/gpio work if it's not muxed into gpio mode?
  • [14:00:28] <bioster> I'm starting to wonder if they're actually in gpio mode or not.
  • [14:01:14] <ogra_> my prob with gnome3 is only that it has no proper 2d support, given my tegra is my main machine that doesnt really fly
  • [14:01:28] <koen> bioster: no, you really need to mux then to gpio
  • [14:01:29] <ogra_> so i use unity-2d ...
  • [14:01:45] <koen> 2d fallback works nicely on fedora
  • [14:01:55] <ogra_> it doesnt get you the same
  • [14:01:55] <av500> ogra_: ??? the tegra has a super powerfull 3d engine
  • [14:02:14] <koen> isn't tegra supposed to have bitching 3d?
  • [14:02:15] <ogra_> av500, and nvidia has big butts sitting on the drivers
  • [14:02:32] <bioster> koen: from what I read, I thought gpio mode was the default... if it's not currently in gpio mode, how do I change that?
  • [14:02:41] <av500> and, what is the open source response for that? the usual "oh, then we will endure it being slow"?
  • [14:03:00] <ogra_> there are plenty of drivers, but i'm not really eager to run xorg 1.3 on my natty machine :)
  • [14:03:09] <av500> then dont use it
  • [14:03:14] <av500> burn it on utube
  • [14:03:15] <ogra_> right, i dont
  • [14:03:42] <ogra_> framebuffer is awesomely fast, i dont really need 3D ...
  • [14:03:55] <av500> [16:01:14] <ogra_> my prob with gnome3 is only that it has no proper 2d support, given my tegra is my main machine that doesnt really fly
  • [14:03:59] <ogra_> still though, i cant run gnome-shell
  • [14:04:30] <ogra_> av500, right, i get the crappy old interface that doesnt even resemble the old gnome2 properly
  • [14:04:56] <ogra_> on unity i have an identical interface that eats as less ram as xfce
  • [14:05:05] <ogra_> (for 2D that is)
  • [14:05:24] <woglinde> I run awesome
  • [14:05:57] <mru> that's a stupid name
  • [14:06:02] * ogra_ would probably run something else if he wouldnt have to test ubuntu images ... but its annoying to have to switch back and forth all the time
  • [14:06:51] <mru> and the authors have failed to understand the power of overlapping windows
  • [14:07:06] <mru> mswindows 1.0 didn't allow overlapping windows
  • [14:07:15] <mru> look how popular that was
  • [14:07:53] <av500> DOS didn't allow it either and was popular :)
  • [14:08:12] <woglinde> hm
  • [14:08:17] <woglinde> I am fine with it
  • [14:08:41] <mru> it's a pointless restriction
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  • [14:09:31] <woglinde> mru so what are you using?
  • [14:09:37] <ogra_> tell that to all the ion3 users
  • [14:09:40] <mru> a normal window manager
  • [14:09:52] <mru> one that does what I tell it, not the other way around
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  • [14:10:34] <koen> sawfish?
  • [14:10:56] <mru> you remember well
  • [14:11:51] <av500> ...In fact, Sawfish was once the default window manager for the GNOME desktop. ...
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  • [14:12:06] <mru> yes, but it was too customisable for them
  • [14:12:09] <mru> so they had to switch
  • [14:12:17] <av500> right
  • [14:12:55] <ogra_> good old gnome 1 times
  • [14:13:19] <mru> I haven't run gnome since 1.4
  • [14:13:35] <mru> and then only because that was the least insane option on some sun machines I had to use
  • [14:14:57] <woglinde> hm 1.7.1 looks like unity
  • [14:15:06] <ynezz> koen: btw, where's that funny stuff like udev-cache now in your systemd ini files?
  • [14:15:10] <woglinde> form the one screenshot
  • [14:15:26] <woglinde> ynezz its gone
  • [14:15:36] <ynezz> oh, great news
  • [14:15:39] <woglinde> if I read the blog entry right
  • [14:15:52] <woglinde> its broken for me in oe master anyway
  • [14:16:35] <ynezz> it rocks on read-only rootfs :p
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  • [14:17:14] <koen> ynezz: yep, cache is gone
  • [14:17:26] <koen> ynezz: and it isn't needed anymore as well :)
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  • [14:17:42] <ynezz> yes, 0.8 is pretty impressive
  • [14:17:55] <ynezz> one has to handpick the rules, but why not
  • [14:18:09] <koen> if you use the default udev install from angstrom, total boot is ??3
  • [14:18:11] <ynezz> I delete many "modern" stuff like udev netdevice renaming etc.
  • [14:18:27] <ynezz> what the hell renamed my wifi0 to wifi5?
  • [14:18:40] <woglinde> net rules?
  • [14:18:52] <ynezz> yes, something clever in udev.d
  • [14:18:54] <koen> delete the persistant rules (the net renaming stuff you mentioned) and total boot is ??2
  • [14:18:57] <koen> s
  • [14:19:05] <av500> how does it boot in -2s?
  • [14:19:14] <koen> woglinde: persistant-net-rules
  • [14:19:39] <koen> woglinde: it tries to ensure that a given MAC address will always have the same network interface
  • [14:21:09] <woglinde> koen I know this file very well
  • [14:24:02] <ynezz> maybe it's time to make some udev-{basic,light,boot18seconds}-rules packages :p
  • [14:25:09] <woglinde> ynezz boot18seconds has sleep(18) inside?
  • [14:25:39] <ynezz> no, all the udev-rules as it's packaged today
  • [14:26:14] <koen> I started with this: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/meta-openembedded/commit/?id=7aa7dd55db8db6ec350c743ce42eb469395a3208
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  • [14:26:32] <ynezz> woglinde: that's why it takes 'udevadm trigger; udevadm settle' so long
  • [14:26:36] <koen> that has the OE "improvements" udev used to have
  • [14:27:34] <ynezz> koen: you should change this "always take 180 seconds" to something smaller :p
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  • [14:27:52] <ynezz> in your blog post I mean
  • [14:27:53] <koen> ynezz: 180s is the default timeout in udev
  • [14:28:12] <koen> which is what I was hitting
  • [14:28:20] <ynezz> 3 minutes?
  • [14:28:21] <woglinde> *g*
  • [14:28:24] <ynezz> lol
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  • [14:29:34] <koen> ynezz: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=blob;f=udev/udevadm-settle.c;hb=ead7c62ab7641e150c6d668f939c102a6771ce60#l55
  • [14:29:39] <ynezz> looks like impressive marketing material :D
  • [14:29:40] <koen> 55 unsigned int timeout = 180;
  • [14:30:27] <ynezz> I've measured it like 2 months ago on the ep93xx with 141 and it took like 10-15 seconds
  • [14:30:57] <ynezz> maybe they've added some more sleep()s in the meantime
  • [14:31:00] <ynezz> :p
  • [14:31:05] <woglinde> hm so uboot works in master? I only have to wait 3 minutes
  • [14:31:10] <koen> yes, but if you to time (udevadm trigger ; udevadm settle) it will hit the timeout
  • [14:31:35] <koen> but looking at udevadm monitor you'll see that it takes the 10-15 seconds
  • [14:31:53] <ynezz> ah, maybe, that I've changed that timeout
  • [14:32:18] <koen> or maybe you had the accept4() syscall in you libc :)
  • [14:32:39] <ynezz> well, some uclibc.git for sure
  • [14:32:49] <ynezz> ok, than :)
  • [14:33:45] <ynezz> btw, how much resource hungry is that systemd?
  • [14:34:01] <koen> ynezz: the udev maintainer told me he will accept a patch to exclude the persistant rules using a configure switch
  • [14:34:22] <ynezz> good, so let's do it :)
  • [14:34:27] <koen> I don't see much difference between systemd and sysvinit at runtime
  • [14:34:37] <koen> but systemd runs everything in parallel
  • [14:34:45] * koen should try this image an a pandaboard
  • [14:34:50] <ynezz> so not a good idea for ep93xx :p
  • [14:34:59] <woglinde> koen hm dontforget shell startup time
  • [14:35:10] <woglinde> for most sysvinit scripts
  • [14:37:12] <koen> yeah, sysvinit boot goes faster when you install bash since that has more builtin optimizations
  • [14:37:23] <koen> over busybox, that is
  • [14:37:55] <woglinde> uhm I would thought the other way round
  • [14:38:02] <koen> I did as well
  • [14:38:11] <koen> that's why you measure instead of guessing
  • [14:38:16] <koen> :)
  • [14:38:18] <woglinde> yes
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  • [14:38:19] <ynezz> hm
  • [14:38:31] <woglinde> to few people are measuring
  • [14:38:45] <av500> the time for measuring is over
  • [14:39:07] <woglinde> and phoronix often does in stupid ways
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  • [14:42:13] <ynezz> hoho, "mirrors created tag v3.0-rc1 at mirrors/linux-2.6 about 4 hours ago"
  • [14:42:41] <woglinde> yes
  • [14:42:47] <koen> woglinde: phoronix is a forum, nuff said
  • [14:42:57] <woglinde> *g*
  • [14:43:13] <ynezz> marketing deparments won again :p
  • [14:43:49] <woglinde> ynezz?
  • [14:43:53] <ynezz> "3.0 would sell our product better the the old 2.6.something"
  • [14:44:10] <ynezz> or 2.8.0
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  • [14:44:34] <ynezz> completly brand new ubuntu kernel 3.0
  • [14:44:52] <ynezz> or s/ubuntu/linaro/
  • [14:45:48] <ynezz> whatever, I quite don't like that radical change in the numbering, but well it's just number
  • [14:45:49] <koen> http://lwn.net/Articles/445222/
  • [14:45:56] <koen> "the real reason is just that I can
  • [14:45:57] <koen> no longe rcomfortably count as high as 40."
  • [14:46:34] <ynezz> he could start over from 2.7.1 :p
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  • [14:46:57] <ynezz> leave some years for another 39
  • [14:47:20] <ogra_> that would at leas make it easier for scripts relying on a version triplet in the kernel
  • [14:47:43] <koen> I already sent that scripting scare mail this morning
  • [14:48:18] <ynezz> just scripting? take a look to some ifdef hells in headers...
  • [14:48:33] <ogra_> i just built my first ubuntu packaged kernel every very recently ... the build scripts are the most ugly pile of perl i have every seen
  • [14:48:45] <ogra_> s/every/ever/
  • [14:48:46] <koen> that will use the KERNEL_VERSION macro from the current headers, no?
  • [14:49:00] * ogra_ is really happy he is not in the ubuntu kernel team
  • [14:49:20] <ogra_> koen, it splits and shuffles bits of the versions around
  • [14:49:27] <ogra_> and does things depending on them
  • [14:49:57] <ogra_> to ensure abi compatibility for dkms packages etc etc
  • [14:50:07] <koen> I know, but if the macro gets fixed in .3.0rc, it should be a problem
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  • [14:51:17] <ogra_> (the worst bit i think is that all these scripts pre-date any of the current ubuntu kernel people ... )
  • [14:51:57] <ogra_> ... and that ots perl
  • [14:52:00] <ogra_> *its
  • [14:52:12] <woglinde> be lucky its not php
  • [14:52:15] <ogra_> but i imagine there are thousands of such cases
  • [14:52:20] <koen> or javascript
  • [14:52:24] <ogra_> heh
  • [14:52:27] <ynezz> simply said, it's going to be worse than that famous ttyO rename :)
  • [14:52:35] <ogra_> definitely
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  • [14:55:49] <koen> I still don't get all the hubbub about the ttyO2 thing
  • [14:56:06] <koen> I went through the ttyS -> ttySA years ago
  • [14:58:15] <av500> yes, you and 3 others
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  • [15:33:18] <ynezz> av500: good one :D
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  • [15:34:23] <BB_B> My mind has gone blank, could someone remind me what the uboot arg' is to stop my monitor blanking after x minutes?
  • [15:35:45] <av500> it seems you have mind blanking enabled too
  • [15:36:57] <BB_B> it's still xp based, needs a defrag
  • [15:43:39] <BB_B> consoleblank....i knew it would hit me eventually
  • [15:44:29] <woglinde> *g*
  • [15:44:39] <woglinde> typing help
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  • [17:06:11] <av500> koen: notzed wrote a j wrapper for ffmpeg: http://code.google.com/p/jjmpeg/source/browse/trunk/jjmpeg/native/jjmpeg.c
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  • [17:10:51] <koen> av500: you can't have java without av, you know
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  • [17:29:19] <drichards> hmm, compared to the OMAP3 SoMs, text-to-speech modules eat up a lot of real estate
  • [17:29:51] <av500> modules?
  • [17:31:25] <drichards> pick your poison, I suppose, h/w or s/w its the age-old tug-of-war. Yes, I am looking at a h/w solution right now.
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  • [17:39:20] <mru> a lot of hardware ain't all that hard if you look closely
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  • [18:04:11] <siegen> I am facing a problem with sending sensor data from bb and reading in my pc
  • [18:04:21] <siegen> In my c program running on the bb i send string data with printf (with ssh or serial prompt i can see the data )
  • [18:04:30] <siegen> I need that other program in my pc read that serial data
  • [18:05:56] <siegen> but i dont know how to do it without a prompt session, i mean i want just that the app i ve in my pc read the data opening for example a serial communica like /dev/usb0
  • [18:06:01] <siegen> or something like this
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  • [18:06:09] <siegen> any clue guys?
  • [18:08:25] <woglinde> wrong design?
  • [18:09:01] <woglinde> I would maybee use a network approach via usbnet
  • [18:09:14] <woglinde> but maybee its oversized
  • [18:10:46] <dm8tbr> siegen: didn't we tell you about g_serial recently?
  • [18:10:55] <siegen> yes
  • [18:11:00] <siegen> and it works good
  • [18:11:14] <woglinde> oh no
  • [18:11:22] <woglinde> why he than ask again
  • [18:11:24] <siegen> but the question in my pc i open with a terminal and i have acces
  • [18:11:32] <siegen> sorry guys
  • [18:11:54] <woglinde> on linux host you need cdc_acm
  • [18:12:01] <woglinde> dont know what you need for windows
  • [18:12:08] <woglinde> cdc_acm kernel modul
  • [18:12:24] <woglinde> than you get a serial device at dev/ttyACM0
  • [18:12:31] <siegen> in the program in my pc i have something like : myPort = new Serial(this, "/dev/ttyUSB0", 9600);
  • [18:12:50] <siegen> but if i login first with a terminal to run the app on the bb
  • [18:13:00] <siegen> the serial is busy ....normal
  • [18:13:16] <siegen> yes i get /dev/ttyACM0
  • [18:13:45] <siegen> but i dont need a serial prompt just i want to catch the data from the app on the bb
  • [18:14:03] <woglinde> ?
  • [18:14:04] <dm8tbr> yes, ttyACM0 is not the same as ttyUSB0
  • [18:14:09] <dm8tbr> so where is the problem?
  • [18:14:19] <woglinde> one side sending one reciving
  • [18:14:23] <woglinde> nothing fancy
  • [18:14:30] <woglinde> with python 5 lines of code
  • [18:14:40] <woglinde> okay 10
  • [18:14:46] <woglinde> with error handling
  • [18:14:48] <siegen> jejeje
  • [18:18:58] <siegen> the problem i dont know how to tigger the bb app to start sending data when the app in the pc try to open /dev/ACM0 in my pc
  • [18:19:12] <woglinde> ????
  • [18:19:58] <woglinde> I would do on both timer thread to check if the device is there
  • [18:20:08] <woglinde> if device is there
  • [18:20:13] <woglinde> send on one side
  • [18:20:17] <siegen> if in my pc i start a serial prompt session with a terminal and i run my bb app then the pc program cannot open /dev/ACM0 cuz is talking with the terminal
  • [18:20:24] <woglinde> in endless loop
  • [18:20:43] <woglinde> on the host listen thread which does something with data if data comes
  • [18:21:01] <woglinde> there is really nothing fancy
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  • [18:24:26] <dm8tbr> siegen: if you need more than one terminal I'd suggest to make g_serial to create several interfaces...
  • [18:24:38] <dm8tbr> see 'modinfo g_serial'
  • [18:25:08] <woglinde> dm8tbr uh wow didnt know this is possible
  • [18:25:25] <siegen> that would be great
  • [18:25:25] <siegen> :)
  • [18:25:33] <siegen> i go through
  • [18:25:43] <woglinde> or use g_composite and use usbserial and usbethernet at once
  • [18:25:57] <woglinde> so you dont need an getty at all on ACM0
  • [18:26:08] <woglinde> or ttyGS0
  • [18:26:11] <dm8tbr> woglinde: as I said a few days ago, discovered that back when writing a 'usb-debugger' for the Archos 5IT
  • [18:26:32] <woglinde> dm8tbr sorry that I am not 24/7 on the channel
  • [18:26:34] <_av500_> just use g_mtp, its the future
  • [18:26:50] <woglinde> av500 g_multi?
  • [18:26:55] <woglinde> thats to experimental
  • [18:26:56] <woglinde> for me
  • [18:26:58] <dm8tbr> woglinde: ah, sorry, thought you were here when siegen asked the last time
  • [18:27:01] <_av500_> g_hyper
  • [18:27:10] <dm8tbr> g_android? ;)
  • [18:27:16] <siegen> how many gadgets suddenly
  • [18:27:18] <siegen> hehehehe
  • [18:27:54] <woglinde> no
  • [18:27:58] <woglinde> its only fun
  • [18:28:16] <woglinde> look the kernel source or doku what g_ modules are available
  • [18:28:30] <siegen> ok
  • [18:28:37] <_av500_> g_gadget ftw
  • [18:28:37] <woglinde> but one does serial net rdnis and usbmasstorage at once
  • [18:31:51] <siegen> btw maybe i am telling something wrong but could i init a ssh session and then in this session run ./myapp > /dev/ttyS0 ??
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  • [18:32:35] <siegen> then might read /dev/ttyS0
  • [18:33:15] <woglinde> sure siegen why not
  • [18:33:32] <siegen> ok then i can implement a g_siegen
  • [18:34:10] <siegen> thanks guys for your suggestions !
  • [18:34:15] <woglinde> ?
  • [18:34:16] <siegen> and pacience
  • [18:34:19] <woglinde> *sigh*
  • [18:34:27] <woglinde> yes do g_siegen
  • [18:34:34] <siegen> hehe
  • [18:34:37] <siegen> i go ....
  • [18:34:46] <dm8tbr> g_go_go_gadgeto
  • [18:34:51] <siegen> :)
  • [18:35:29] <siegen> btw all of you guys are developers?
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  • [18:36:08] <woglinde> no I am the animator here
  • [18:36:27] <_av500_> i just hang out on irc
  • [18:37:26] <djlewis> I just confuse people
  • [18:37:33] <siegen> hehehe
  • [18:38:29] <ds2> i just toss scooby snacks
  • [18:39:08] <siegen> more answers please
  • [18:40:29] <djlewis> these will cost ya ;)
  • [18:40:58] <siegen> :)
  • [18:41:24] <siegen> ok
  • [18:42:04] * djlewis goes to the fridge for icecream after being up on the hot roof
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  • [18:44:31] <siegen> icecream hmmm
  • [18:44:58] <woglinde> djlewis no tornados anymore?
  • [18:45:08] <siegen> here in Germany today 30??C
  • [18:45:27] <woglinde> siegen I know
  • [18:45:33] <djlewis> 90 degree F and sun make for a hot roof
  • [18:45:44] <woglinde> my cpu cooler is running louder
  • [18:46:11] <siegen> hehe my CPU is running louder all year compiling kernels
  • [18:46:12] <djlewis> woglinde: we got a reprive for a few days :)
  • [18:46:17] <djlewis> reprieve?
  • [18:48:15] <djlewis> woglinde: are the flood waters coming along?
  • [18:49:16] <_av500_> djlewis: it does not matter, he lives in a swamp
  • [18:49:27] <djlewis> may have confused you with someone else.
  • [18:49:38] <woglinde> djlewis hm not here
  • [18:49:46] <woglinde> we have the spreewald before
  • [18:50:14] <djlewis> it was a person in the NW USA expecting a big snow melt.
  • [18:50:26] <_av500_> woglinde: build a gurkendamm
  • [18:51:03] <woglinde> djlewis in germany?
  • [18:52:24] <djlewis> No, central USA near Little Rock, AR
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  • [18:58:35] <siegen> oh guys i solved!
  • [18:58:48] <siegen> how easy !
  • [18:59:26] <siegen> ./myapp > /dev/ttyGS0
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  • [19:00:03] <dm8tbr> yes, that will just put the output there, if you need input you need to map that too
  • [19:00:20] <siegen> ok
  • [19:00:39] <siegen> yeah i little step less
  • [19:01:21] <woglinde> dm8tbr but then a net based app would made more sense
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  • [19:02:02] <dm8tbr> woglinde: depends on the host side
  • [19:02:52] <dm8tbr> woglinde: with g_ether you'd need to run a dhcpd and what not in the worst case
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  • [19:04:33] <woglinde> hm dhcpd?
  • [19:04:39] <woglinde> just static ips
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  • [19:07:39] <dm8tbr> well just guessing that this might be some sort of semi-product. there requiring the user to configure a network interface is more complicated than handing over an .inf file and telling him to 'install that windows driver'
  • [19:09:33] <woglinde> I think its a research project
  • [19:10:56] <dm8tbr> in case of a static setup g_ether might be more fun
  • [19:11:13] <dm8tbr> he'll have to learn how to bind to a TCP socket though ;)
  • [19:11:31] <woglinde> why?
  • [19:11:42] <woglinde> webserver
  • [19:11:44] <woglinde> json
  • [19:11:51] <dm8tbr> o.O
  • [19:11:53] <woglinde> with python 10 lines of code
  • [19:12:01] <woglinde> okay 20 with error handling
  • [19:12:03] <ds2> netcat
  • [19:12:09] <ds2> no need for TCP binding
  • [19:12:16] <dm8tbr> pssst don't tell him all our seekrits
  • [19:12:51] <woglinde> hm I would proably use pyro
  • [19:12:56] <woglinde> python remote objects
  • [19:13:00] <woglinde> that rockz
  • [19:13:14] <dm8tbr> you seem to be quite fond of that snaky thing :)
  • [19:13:59] <woglinde> he 10 line of codes and I can use the remote object as they were local
  • [19:14:17] <woglinde> used it in my master thesis
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  • [19:15:04] <dm8tbr> nice
  • [19:16:18] <siegen> master thesis?
  • [19:16:19] <siegen> hehe
  • [19:16:25] <woglinde> and because I was insane I made a telnet control interface with twisted too
  • [19:16:47] <siegen> i will start in one month :S
  • [19:17:09] <woglinde> siegen oha that will be long way for you
  • [19:17:15] <siegen> hehe
  • [19:17:20] <woglinde> but good you have the first step finished
  • [19:17:39] <siegen> what kind of master did you do?
  • [19:17:50] <woglinde> someother saw a beagle the first time after 2 weeks starting there thesis
  • [19:18:03] <siegen> bufff
  • [19:18:11] <woglinde> to be honest I made compuer science diploma
  • [19:18:18] <siegen> oki
  • [19:18:21] <woglinde> still need 3 oral exams
  • [19:18:28] <siegen> hehe
  • [19:18:40] <siegen> buff i am studying mechatronics
  • [19:19:02] <siegen> i had to go through that
  • [19:19:05] <woglinde> okay thats an excuse for your poor programming skills
  • [19:19:07] * woglinde runs
  • [19:19:12] <siegen> hehe
  • [19:19:18] <siegen> and linux?
  • [19:19:31] <woglinde> hm?
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  • [19:22:46] <siegen> now i have 12 accelerometers and a 3 gyros on the beagleboard and i want to send that data to serial to a 3D app
  • [19:23:16] <siegen> but the worst it's that know i have to start to write on the bb a kalman filter to fussion the sensor data
  • [19:23:25] <siegen> to get the wonderfull euler angles
  • [19:23:27] <siegen> :S
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  • [19:23:46] <woglinde> hm uh kalman flter
  • [19:23:51] <siegen> yes
  • [19:23:58] <woglinde> that was to heavy for me
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  • [19:24:04] <woglinde> ;
  • [19:24:06] <woglinde> )
  • [19:24:12] <siegen> too much control theory
  • [19:24:28] <siegen> its what we learn in mechatronics
  • [19:24:34] <woglinde> no
  • [19:24:37] <woglinde> its good
  • [19:24:59] <siegen> but linux stuff , embedded systems and programming is what a miss in this studies
  • [19:25:07] <woglinde> hm okay
  • [19:25:24] <woglinde> but first understan theory than you can implement it in every lang
  • [19:25:25] <siegen> here nobody i know use linux
  • [19:25:26] <siegen> :(
  • [19:25:39] <woglinde> only windows?
  • [19:25:44] <siegen> pffff yes
  • [19:25:52] <woglinde> no realtime os?
  • [19:25:58] <siegen> they dont understand me
  • [19:26:06] <siegen> now i am totally addicted to linux
  • [19:26:08] <siegen> :)
  • [19:26:22] <siegen> real time os?
  • [19:26:25] <woglinde> that the hell of mechatronic study that is
  • [19:26:34] <woglinde> in a car dont runs windows
  • [19:26:35] <siegen> ja
  • [19:26:44] <woglinde> only maybee on the infotainment system
  • [19:26:52] <siegen> in a router neither
  • [19:26:59] <siegen> in my phone neither :)
  • [19:27:03] <bioster> Ok, so I think my current problem is that when I install my new kernel on the beagleboard, it's not being used... I need to make a uImage and I'm getting a vmlinux put into my .ipk
  • [19:27:04] <woglinde> wp7 haha
  • [19:27:19] <woglinde> bioster use oe
  • [19:27:36] <woglinde> why you need the vmlinux?
  • [19:27:43] <siegen> yes oe
  • [19:27:43] <bioster> I've tried 'bitbake virtual/kernel -c devshell' and then 'make uImage' but I get an error
  • [19:27:44] <woglinde> do you want to debug something?
  • [19:28:00] <woglinde> but you can make your zImage
  • [19:28:05] <woglinde> and do the uImage by hand
  • [19:28:10] <woglinde> isnt that hard
  • [19:28:26] <bioster> woglinde: I'm trying to add support for the expansion port, and I'm muxing a few pins to gpio
  • [19:29:36] <bioster> woglinde: when you say zImage, do you mean the vmlinux-2.6.32 that gets installed?
  • [19:31:43] <woglinde> I mean the zImage from arch/arm/boot/zImage
  • [19:32:05] <woglinde> which becomes uImage by prepend a little header
  • [19:32:15] <bioster> ok, I see that
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  • [19:32:28] <bioster> oh, there's a uImage here too
  • [19:32:59] <bioster> am I allowed to just copy that over, or is there anything else I need to do?
  • [19:34:23] <woglinde> hm?
  • [19:34:32] <woglinde> who should hinder you?
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  • [19:46:12] <thurbad> bioster try bitbake -f -c compile virtual/kernel; bitbake -c deploy virtual/kernel
  • [19:46:51] <thurbad> that'll give you a uImage without deleting temp object files every time
  • [19:47:01] <bioster> I have the uImage
  • [19:47:29] <bioster> now I'm wondering if I'm allowed to just drop it into the /boot folder and change the uImage symlink
  • [19:47:36] <bioster> or whether I need to do more than that
  • [19:47:58] <bioster> iirc, when I used to install kernels in debian I had to rerun lilo every time I made a change like that
  • [19:48:33] <thurbad> which distro are you using?
  • [19:48:41] <bioster> Angstrom
  • [19:49:04] <thurbad> in angstrom you just drop it in the boot partition, and don't worry about the /boot folder
  • [19:50:04] <bioster> Oh? Ok.
  • [19:50:04] * bioster wonders what the /boot folder is for then.
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  • [19:51:21] <thurbad> not sure why angstrom has it to be honest
  • [19:53:09] <bioster> k, booting it up now... see if it works
  • [19:53:38] <bioster> hmm... panic... looks like it didn't find a root partition
  • [19:54:44] <bioster> maybe I'll just try re-imaging the boot partition with the new uImage
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  • [20:01:37] <bioster> hmm, nope... still panics
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  • [20:28:51] <bioster> oh
  • [20:29:05] <bioster> after all that, it seems kernel-based muxing is just borked?
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  • [20:34:26] <_av500_> bioster: not at all
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  • [20:42:35] <woglinde> thurbad to spread foot
  • [20:42:51] <woglinde> lol fud
  • [20:43:01] <woglinde> ext2fsload can load uImage from /boot
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  • [20:52:00] <koen> well, in-kernel muxing doesn't work for beagle out of the box
  • [20:52:22] <koen> the muxing stuff works, the config is just *wrong*
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  • [20:54:49] <woglinde> holiday over?
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  • [21:02:08] <ds2> push patches to fix it?
  • [21:02:18] <ds2> or is it just less painful to push U-boot patches?
  • [21:04:03] <_av500_> or push ds2's buttons
  • [21:06:38] <ds2> :D
  • [21:07:57] <ds2> koen: did you see the makerbot scan and print thing?
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  • [21:10:18] <koen> I did
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  • [21:23:17] <ds2> koen: are you doing your own version of it?
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  • [22:45:37] <AngryParsley> -NAME = Flesh-Eating Bats with Fangs
  • [22:45:37] <AngryParsley> +NAME = Sneaky Weasel
  • [22:45:39] <AngryParsley> cute
  • [22:47:40] <AngryParsley> I never noticed the kernel names before
  • [22:47:47] <AngryParsley> there are some amusing ones: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names
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