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  • [01:43:04] <rick_> Hello, how to read the ULPI_FUNCTION_CONTROL registers? I always got 0x0...
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  • [02:22:03] <ds2> Hmmmm
  • [02:22:21] <Russ> 4 m's this time?
  • [02:22:41] <Russ> and with a capital 'H'?
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  • [02:27:04] <ds2> Why, yes, dear!
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  • [02:41:19] <mranostay> man did this fun weekend project almost not turn fun
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  • [03:01:13] <Rhapso> Sakoman
  • [03:01:24] <Rhapso> Sakoman_ are you active?
  • [03:01:47] <sakoman_> I'm here :-)
  • [03:02:23] <Rhapso> First, thanks, you website is a treasure trove
  • [03:03:27] <Rhapso> second, I have not had a chance to mess with it, I am in the 1st long boot. but the documentation looks like you have changed the bootenv commands to mess with the graphics drivers
  • [03:04:15] <Rhapso> I can only find the dvi side of things documented, just use the old commands for the svideo?
  • [03:05:01] <sakoman_> yes, svideo should remain the same, but with the addition of the s-video/composite cable selection
  • [03:05:18] <sakoman_> which you can of course leave out
  • [03:06:00] <sakoman_> I've only used svideo once or twice, just to make sure it worked
  • [03:06:12] <Rhapso> I re-formatted my nand so I have not had a chance to see if it is fuzzy or not
  • [03:06:22] <sakoman_> be warned svideo and composite really suck quality wise
  • [03:06:30] <Rhapso> so along the lines of 'omap-dss.def_disp=tv omap-dss.tvcable=composite'
  • [03:06:47] <Rhapso> the screen I am running it on is less then an inch diagonal
  • [03:07:19] <sakoman_> something like that -- you may need to specify ntsc/pal
  • [03:07:29] <Rhapso> with 640x480ish resolution (actually a tad less)
  • [03:08:44] <Rhapso> 'omapfb.video_mode=tv:ntsc omap-dss.tvcable=composite' is the other version I have kicking around
  • [03:08:57] <Rhapso> with resolution this low, will I notice the lower quality?
  • [03:09:08] <sakoman_> yes!
  • [03:10:04] <Rhapso> :/
  • [03:10:18] <Rhapso> this is disheartening
  • [03:10:44] <sakoman_> will you be displaying text?
  • [03:11:01] <Rhapso> yeah. the whole point is for a wearable computer
  • [03:11:28] <Rhapso> the only screens small enough for real wearable use are component
  • [03:11:52] <sakoman_> just make the text big :-)
  • [03:11:55] <Rhapso> and conversion from vga or dvi to component takes a lot of power
  • [03:11:59] <Rhapso> tis the backup plan
  • [03:12:40] <Rhapso> my thesis project is all about how to build the user interface abd the visual parts of it I expect to end up having a media center look to them
  • [03:12:53] <Rhapso> so bit text is expected
  • [03:13:03] <sakoman_> I think you want to do something like: setenv defaultdisplay tv omapfb.tvcable=svideo
  • [03:13:40] <sakoman_> hmm . . .
  • [03:13:45] <sakoman_> one moment
  • [03:14:07] <Rhapso> no quotes on this variant? noticed that on the examples in the documents too
  • [03:14:16] <sakoman_> here is what I recorded that I did for my test:
  • [03:14:24] <sakoman_> setenv mmcargs 'setenv bootargs console=${console} mpurate=${mpurate} vram=${vram} omapfb.mode=tv:ntsc omapdss.def_disp=tv omapfb.tvcable=svideo root=${mmcroot} rootfstype=${mmcrootfstype}'
  • [03:14:51] <sakoman_> I really need to set things up so it requires less typing!
  • [03:15:11] <sakoman_> next release :-)
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  • [03:15:34] <Rhapso> I just figure things out and paste them into console
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  • [03:16:29] <Rhapso> what is the 'mmcargs' bit that is a new layer I have not seen before
  • [03:16:41] <sakoman_> it is there in all u-boots
  • [03:16:59] <sakoman_> do a printenv from u-boot and read the scripts -- it will make sense then
  • [03:17:50] <Rhapso> I am documenting the build and doing a paper + blogish thing. Can I give you a big shoutout?
  • [03:18:12] <sakoman_> no problem
  • [03:18:26] <sakoman_> hopefully I've actually helped rather than wasted your time!
  • [03:19:02] <Rhapso> well, I want other people to be able to do this
  • [03:19:22] <Rhapso> and your setup for the SD cards is just a joy compared to building ti manually
  • [03:20:09] <Rhapso> I compiled everything from scratch with a custom Angstrom build and it was hell and I ended up giving up because (as you know) they dropped a feature I needed
  • [03:20:51] <Rhapso> so sending them your way will make it a lot cleaner if anybody else is every as crazy as me
  • [03:21:51] <sakoman_> I'm working on the next version, with 2.6.39 kernel and GNOME 2.32
  • [03:21:57] <Rhapso> s/every/ever
  • [03:23:26] <Rhapso> I have not even gotten far enough into this to understand the evil in converting all that to arm and embeded
  • [03:23:58] <Rhapso> where are the points of conflict, what makes it difficult?
  • [03:27:44] <sakoman_> no real conflict
  • [03:28:08] <sakoman_> just a bunch of work & testing
  • [03:29:34] <sakoman_> the GNOME UI won't work well at 640 x 480
  • [03:29:46] <sakoman_> so I'm sure you will need to do a custom app for your ui
  • [03:30:28] <ds2> so no Pico Gnomes?
  • [03:30:36] <Rhapso> yeah. Tis the plan, enlightenment was the original idea, I could wrangle that into line, but I lost that with the custom angstom image.
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  • [03:31:37] <Rhapso> I've never done linux UI work before so this will be lots of education.
  • [03:32:20] <Rhapso> I have been spoiled with wysiwyg on windows
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  • [03:36:03] <Rhapso> It looks like your build is good on wireless drivers.
  • [03:36:27] <Rhapso> you have the wireless management tool pre-installed and some discussion of them.
  • [03:41:42] <Rhapso> I have 5 hours before I wake up. so time to put down the project and sleep. thank you Sakoman.
  • [03:43:01] <sakoman_> gn & good luck!
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  • [06:26:05] <Guest68475> hi i have a very basic question about the beagle board, which i have not purchased yet.
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  • [06:33:35] <Russ> do you enjoy keeping such questions to yourself?
  • [06:34:40] <av500> good questions get pirated quickly
  • [06:34:49] <Guest68475> hi
  • [06:35:00] <Guest68475> i was not sure if anyone was here and didn't want to echo myself
  • [06:35:12] <Guest68475> but since you've prompted me...
  • [06:35:17] <Russ> electrons are rather expensive these days
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  • [06:36:05] <Guest68475> first of...i don't really know a thing about hardware and software...
  • [06:36:25] <Guest68475> i told someone what i wanted to do, and he told me look into the beagle board
  • [06:37:15] <Guest68475> i want to make a very small laptop type of device that runs a very basic console, text-based, non-gui application
  • [06:37:28] <av500> why make?
  • [06:37:45] <Guest68475> it's for school...it's my project
  • [06:37:46] <av500> wrt to "i don't really know a thing about hardware and software..."
  • [06:38:22] <Guest68475> i have the summer to prepare myself...read about hardware and software...
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  • [06:38:50] <Guest68475> I maybe a little optimistic..lol
  • [06:39:18] <Russ> wouldn't it be cheaper just to buy a netbook?
  • [06:39:39] <Guest68475> it has to be smaller than a net book
  • [06:39:49] <Guest68475> i am thinking the size of a moleskine notebook
  • [06:39:50] <av500> here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Ben_NanoNote
  • [06:39:53] <av500> done
  • [06:40:37] <av500> Guest68475: or you could skin a very large mole
  • [06:40:42] <Russ> or if you want one specifically done with something that is pretty much a beagleboard:
  • [06:41:01] <Russ> http://www.openpandora.org/
  • [06:41:15] <av500> these ship now?
  • [06:41:20] <Russ> afaik
  • [06:41:34] <av500> remember, its a school project, he cant wait 3ys....
  • [06:41:35] <Russ> 'The cost for a Pandora that is shipped to you within the next 7 business days is 500 USD (without VAT) or approx. 440 EUR (including VAT).'
  • [06:42:22] <av500> wow
  • [06:42:26] <Russ> http://icontrolpad.com/pandoraprivate.html
  • [06:42:53] <av500> well, since its a school project, buying is not an option
  • [06:43:04] <Guest68475> those are nice products that seem to have potential for what i want to do...what i like about the beagle board is that it doesn't have a screen or a keyboard...
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  • [06:43:08] <Russ> I don't know, maybe the use of the hardware is the end goal
  • [06:43:39] <Guest68475> i need it to be a full sized qwerty keyboard, foldable to the size of a moleskine
  • [06:43:43] <Russ> Guest68475, you can easily plugin any type of keyboard, even miniature ones, and there are some (iirc) kits for lcds
  • [06:44:00] <Russ> how much does the mole weigh?
  • [06:44:09] <Russ> are we talking a little bitty baby mole?
  • [06:44:15] <Russ> or an overweight donut fed mole?
  • [06:44:27] <Russ> like krispy kreame
  • [06:44:29] <Guest68475> the standard mole that is the size of a ...
  • [06:44:40] <Guest68475> shirt pocket
  • [06:44:49] <Russ> so not like an ROUS
  • [06:44:58] <Guest68475> this is the product that i would like to emulate http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/pomera-dm10-is-tri-folding-overkill-for-note-takers/
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  • [06:45:21] <av500> I wonder why that one never took off
  • [06:45:30] <Russ> don't they have keyboards like that for iPhone and android?
  • [06:45:33] <Russ> why not just do that?
  • [06:45:38] <Russ> surely someone has a smart phone
  • [06:46:13] <Russ> another option would be a laser scan keyboard
  • [06:46:46] <Guest68475> a laser scan? you mean projected to a surface?
  • [06:46:52] <Russ> ya
  • [06:46:53] <av500> yes, one that zaps your finger for every typo!
  • [06:47:05] <av500> I can see them usefull in schools
  • [06:47:16] <Russ> http://www.thinkgeek.com/brain/whereisit.cgi?t=keyboard&x=0&y=0
  • [06:47:25] <Guest68475> i prefer to keep it a tangible keyboard, i like tactile
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  • [06:47:43] <Guest68475> though i i guess i could explore other things later
  • [06:47:57] <av500> Guest68475: building a moleskin sized thing out of a BB is hard
  • [06:48:05] <Russ> what about the fabric keyboard?
  • [06:48:14] <Guest68475> fabric?
  • [06:48:15] <av500> and overkill if you want something text only
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  • [06:48:28] <Russ> ardino kit?
  • [06:49:14] <Guest68475> well, i think the arduino is nice but i would like to actually make this a computer and not something that is not quite that
  • [06:49:50] <Guest68475> i don't think i want to go the arduino route.
  • [06:50:21] <Guest68475> because i think the programming i'd have to do would be diff than that used for software applications
  • [06:50:57] <Guest68475> av500...yes, it'd be overkill i suppose
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  • [06:51:54] <Guest68475> for the application i wish to create, a simple dos text editor, which is quite a fearsome prospect, i would also need some kind of operating system i imagine
  • [06:52:54] <Russ> you probably say dos because you know dos and assume its easy
  • [06:53:02] <av500> s /dos//
  • [06:53:19] <av500> ... a simple text editor, ...
  • [06:53:30] <Guest68475> haha...so true..
  • [06:53:46] <Russ> you probably want other features too, like exporting documents
  • [06:53:52] <av500> well, setting up a beagle with a usb keyboard and a LCD is easy
  • [06:54:02] <av500> making all that fit into a moleskin is not
  • [06:54:14] <av500> so, you could prototype a concept for sure
  • [06:54:21] <av500> but you could do that on your PC
  • [06:54:28] <Guest68475> and writing the code is probably the most intimidating part..
  • [06:54:49] <Russ> code exists for text editors already, surprisingly enough
  • [06:55:06] <Guest68475> i'm less sure about my abilitie software wise than the form of it
  • [06:55:44] <av500> well, since BB runs linux, you could just run your favorite text editor
  • [06:55:47] <av500> nothing to write there
  • [06:55:49] <av500> vi
  • [06:55:50] <av500> emacs
  • [06:55:52] <av500> joe
  • [06:55:54] <av500> hexedit
  • [06:56:12] <Guest68475> that's good that there is code for text editors out there that i don't need to write, but i would need to have an OS first right?
  • [06:56:48] <Guest68475> it'd be something 16 bit
  • [06:56:49] <av500> there are OS's there as well
  • [06:56:52] <av500> wtf?
  • [06:56:54] <Guest68475> i guess
  • [06:57:02] <av500> a BB runs 32bit happily
  • [06:57:18] <Guest68475> okay, but i'm trying to make my life easier...lol
  • [06:57:27] <Russ> stop assuming that just because something is less, its simpler
  • [06:57:38] <Russ> an abacus is not easier to use than a calculator
  • [06:57:46] <av500> well, PDP11 was 16bit, it had an OS and a text editor...
  • [06:57:54] <av500> in 1970
  • [06:57:59] <av500> so, its doable
  • [06:58:06] <Russ> yes, but I would hate to try to get that OS up and going on an embedded platform
  • [06:58:36] <Guest68475> is what i'm trying to do an embedded system?
  • [06:58:48] <av500> inside a moleskin its embedded
  • [06:58:57] <Guest68475> cuz i just want it to turn on and record keystrokes...that's all
  • [06:59:07] <Guest68475> hahah
  • [06:59:19] <av500> well, you could use a 5V, a usb keyboard and a USB keylogger :)
  • [06:59:32] <Guest68475> !!
  • [06:59:39] <av500> or a typewriter
  • [07:00:02] <Guest68475> i will have to look into that usb keylogger
  • [07:00:28] <Guest68475> the typewriter is hard to fit into my pocket
  • [07:03:09] <Guest68475> thanks av500...i'm glad i came in here.
  • [07:03:21] <Guest68475> and thanks Russ...you too
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  • [07:04:30] <Guest68475> the usb keyloggers out there that i've read about so far haven't told me if they save the keystrokes to a text file or what
  • [07:07:29] <Guest68475> my whole project has been reframed as a keylogging project...insane! thank you!
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  • [08:04:28] <Russ> oi, wtf
  • [08:04:30] <Russ> http://pastebin.com/LvWvPEYY
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  • [09:51:47] <Garagoth> gmorning
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  • [09:54:39] <Garagoth> I'm looking for mt9d112 driver for angstrom, anyone knows where can I find it?
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  • [09:56:07] <Garagoth> It is for leopard 2Mpix camera board...
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  • [09:59:13] <Garagoth> I'm looking for mt9d112 driver (to be used with Leopard 2Mpix camera module) for Angstrom, anyone knows where can I find it?
  • [10:00:34] <Garagoth> Damn, zombie channel...
  • [10:01:37] <av500> braiiiins!
  • [10:01:53] <Garagoth> ...
  • [10:02:08] * Garagoth throws a meatbag.
  • [10:02:16] <av500> thanks
  • [10:02:31] <Garagoth> Wanna coffee with that?
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  • [11:00:20] <siegen> hi! anyone knows where can i find linux kernel real time for beagleboard
  • [11:00:22] <siegen> ??
  • [11:03:11] <woglinde> no
  • [11:03:28] <siegen> oops
  • [11:03:48] <woglinde> you can try to port the rt-2.6.31 patch to the .32 kernel
  • [11:04:07] <woglinde> but from all people trying that I didnt here anymore
  • [11:04:27] <siegen> hehehe
  • [11:04:56] <Garagoth> I'm looking for mt9d112 driver (to be used with Leopard 2Mpix camera module) for Angstrom, anyone knows where can I find it? Or how to make that camera working?
  • [11:04:56] <av500> just assume you dont need realtime and be happy
  • [11:05:22] <siegen> woglinde : were they abducted?
  • [11:05:43] <siegen> i am happy
  • [11:05:44] <siegen> hehhee
  • [11:06:01] <siegen> but with real time i would be more
  • [11:06:16] <av500> use case?
  • [11:06:50] <siegen> like always i am with my accelerometers
  • [11:07:12] <av500> hmm
  • [11:07:15] <siegen> i have a driver for these ones, as you told me guys i need a driver
  • [11:07:56] <woglinde> are sure it would be more?
  • [11:08:04] <siegen> and i am reading now two accelerometers as input/events
  • [11:08:26] <siegen> but a really dont get constant time in the readings
  • [11:09:20] <siegen> is possible to get constant time in every reading i do
  • [11:09:28] <siegen> all of this through I2c
  • [11:09:42] <siegen> bus 2 to 400khz
  • [11:09:54] <av500> isnt i2c reading in hardware?
  • [11:10:04] <siegen> and accelermeters have configurable sampling rate from 25hz up to 3200hz
  • [11:10:24] <siegen> the i2c is handle by the driver as a kernel module
  • [11:10:49] <woglinde> hm sorry dont know
  • [11:11:01] <siegen> i have in the board config file a couple of GPIO as IRQ set
  • [11:11:13] <siegen> and it works everything
  • [11:11:22] <siegen> i can read the accels
  • [11:11:38] <siegen> but every cycle a read is not the same time
  • [11:12:39] <siegen> i have as well only base-image running to avoid extra processes running on the background
  • [11:12:46] <siegen> and it works a bit better
  • [11:12:51] <siegen> but not as i expected
  • [11:13:08] <av500> run it from FIQ
  • [11:13:13] <av500> outside of linux
  • [11:13:24] <woglinde> hm maybee you can try cgroups to tweak a bit better
  • [11:13:24] <siegen> you mean without OS
  • [11:13:25] <siegen> ?
  • [11:13:36] <av500> siegen: with os
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  • [11:17:03] <siegen> some clue how to run from FIQ?
  • [11:18:07] <av500> setup FIQ, linux does not use it
  • [11:18:15] <av500> run you accell code from that
  • [11:18:23] <av500> and find a way to pass the values to linux
  • [11:18:45] <av500> hint: under FIQ you cannot use any std linux kernel apis
  • [11:19:03] <av500> basically your FIQ code becomes a tiny RT kernel
  • [11:20:46] <woglinde> av500 whats FIQ stands for?
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  • [11:22:00] <siegen> buff sounds i bit tough
  • [11:22:12] <siegen> but i will read about how to do it
  • [11:22:33] <koen> fast interupt somethingQ
  • [11:22:40] <siegen> i will try first the suggestion of Woglinde
  • [11:22:48] <siegen> fast to test
  • [11:22:50] <siegen> :)
  • [11:23:12] <av500> arm fast interrupt
  • [11:24:11] <juhka> Hi! I've tried to boot android on my BB following this quide http://free-electrons.com/blog/android-beagle/ As i put in the MMC and boot up it seems ok until i get this message: Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. What could be wrong? The init should be set in the last command of the guide..
  • [11:24:33] <woglinde> no init
  • [11:24:42] <woglinde> as the kernel messages suggest
  • [11:25:03] <juhka> But shouldn't the init be set in the last command? I'll print it here
  • [11:25:11] <siegen> ...I have test a module which handles a gptimer i set to overflows every 10 ms and trigger its interruption in the interrupt handler just kprint something and it works, so my idea maybe to try to read the accel in this interrupt handler, what do you think?
  • [11:25:30] <juhka> setenv bootargs console=ttyS2,115200n8 noinitrd root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 video=omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR-24@50 init=/init rootfstype=ext3 rw rootdelay=1 nohz=off androidboot.console=ttyS2
  • [11:26:00] <av500> juhka: pastebin a full boot log
  • [11:26:15] <juhka> okey
  • [11:26:52] <woglinde> juhka when there is no init on the boot partition than there is no init
  • [11:27:39] <juhka> http://pastebin.com/EEVPCXEQ
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  • [11:28:25] <juhka> woglinde i get your point, but shouldn't the init be put in the bootargs?
  • [11:28:39] <woglinde> ?
  • [11:28:52] <woglinde> the kernel has searchlist for init's per default
  • [11:29:01] <woglinde> and you can specify it via cmdline
  • [11:29:13] <av500> juhka: your kernel command line has no init=
  • [11:29:19] <av500> line 54
  • [11:29:48] <woglinde> *g* the old dirty uboot mmcboot overrides cmdline
  • [11:29:52] <av500> also you reboot after setenv
  • [11:30:00] <av500> how is that supposed to work?
  • [11:30:39] <siegen> ??
  • [11:30:51] <woglinde> !!
  • [11:30:53] <av500> line 1: setenv
  • [11:30:55] <av500> line 4: reboot
  • [11:31:00] <av500> er, line 6
  • [11:31:11] <juhka> Just followed the quide blindly, but yes there should be a init line. Actually I've just booted the BB for the first time =)
  • [11:31:13] <woglinde> proper boot.scr?
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  • [11:31:20] <av500> also: U-Boot 2009.11-rc1-00601-g3aa4b51 (Jan 05 2010 - 20:56:38)
  • [11:31:26] <av500> thats prehistoric
  • [11:31:28] <woglinde> uhuhuu
  • [11:31:31] <woglinde> yes
  • [11:31:34] <av500> please do a nand erase
  • [11:31:41] <av500> and boot fully from SD
  • [11:31:53] <woglinde> av500 userbutton
  • [11:32:15] <av500> woglinde: does that help? wont the SD MLO find the nand uboot?
  • [11:32:26] <av500> or does MLO check the user button?
  • [11:32:26] <woglinde> no
  • [11:32:38] <woglinde> MLO checks the sd
  • [11:32:50] <Garagoth> Hey, sorry for repeating myself, but google has no good answers for me today... How to make use of Leopard 2Mpix camera on BB-xM running Angstrom?
  • [11:32:52] <av500> not the one in nand
  • [11:33:09] <av500> Garagoth: the lack of answers is due to the lack of people that have that running
  • [11:33:12] <woglinde> av500 only problem uboot reads the config from nand
  • [11:33:20] <av500> hence nand erase
  • [11:33:36] <Garagoth> av500: Still hoping that someone will wake up and answer.
  • [11:33:48] <woglinde> Garagoth google may tell you
  • [11:33:56] <woglinde> or the ti forum
  • [11:33:57] <av500> Garagoth: its bloody annoying for the people that are awake
  • [11:34:02] <woglinde> ah wait beagle is just toy
  • [11:34:12] <woglinde> so no answers from there
  • [11:34:21] <av500> Garagoth: ask on the google ML
  • [11:34:21] <Rhapso> you picked a bad moment
  • [11:34:31] <Garagoth> Ok, will stop asking. Sorry for being nuisance...
  • [11:34:33] <juhka> what's the command for erasing the nand? Shouldn't I have the latest u-boot in the MMC then?
  • [11:34:35] <Rhapso> lots of folks tend to leave themselves logged in
  • [11:34:36] <woglinde> Garagoth find the driver integrate it in the .32 kernel
  • [11:34:45] <Rhapso> ask every 3 hours or so
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  • [11:35:02] <av500> Rhapso: so I have to read it 8 times a day?
  • [11:35:56] <Rhapso> I spent 3 days asking questions looking for somebody to answer them
  • [11:36:11] <Rhapso> and on day 3 the right person was online and they got answer
  • [11:36:21] <juhka> nand unlock followed by nand erase?
  • [11:36:29] <av500> try it
  • [11:36:30] <Rhapso> this place is not a magic bullet, nor is it customer service
  • [11:36:44] <Rhapso> good luck
  • [11:36:46] <woglinde> av500 hm he has old uboot so commands might differ
  • [11:37:15] <av500> yes
  • [11:37:24] <juhka> ok that worked, what should i do now to get it booting properly without kernel panics?
  • [11:37:28] <av500> its nand erase or nanderase i think
  • [11:37:39] <av500> juhka: find a recent MLO and uboot
  • [11:38:24] <juhka> okey, I'll search
  • [11:38:27] <av500> and, if you do setenv, do a savenv too
  • [11:38:44] <juhka> allright, thanks!
  • [11:39:29] <juhka> btw, is this guide out of date http://free-electrons.com/blog/android-beagle/ or is there a better one that's easy to follow?
  • [11:39:53] <juhka> thats the page where i got the MLO and uboot from
  • [11:40:11] <woglinde> juhka sorry only few here doing ubuntu or android
  • [11:40:15] <woglinde> most stick with android
  • [11:40:18] <woglinde> args angstroem
  • [11:40:19] <woglinde> hrms
  • [11:40:21] <av500> juhka: lol, embinuix
  • [11:40:24] <av500> juhka: lol, embinux
  • [11:40:29] <av500> thats like dead since 1.5ys
  • [11:40:44] <juhka> that's why i asked ;)
  • [11:41:13] <av500> look for 1) 0xdroid
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  • [11:41:19] <av500> 2) ti rowboat project
  • [11:41:52] <juhka> ok =)
  • [11:42:16] <juhka> I'm not going to develop apps, just want to get the board running android and thats all
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  • [11:44:48] <juhka> just read about 0xdroid, seems simple, thanks av500
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  • [12:02:18] <juhka> Is there anyone here that's working with android through the BB?
  • [12:03:21] <woglinde> I am not
  • [12:07:31] <juhka> now i got the latest angstroem MLO and u-boot running at least
  • [12:08:45] <hitlin37> im
  • [12:11:21] <_roger_> juhka :- did you look at http://software-dl.ti.com/dsps/dsps_public_sw/sdo_tii/TI_Android_DevKit/TI_Android_GingerBread_2_3_DevKit_1_0/index_FDS.html
  • [12:11:32] <_roger_> this has beagle c3 and xm versions
  • [12:13:00] <_roger_> + top level landing page www.ti.com/sitara-android and www.arowboat.org
  • [12:13:42] <juhka> great, I'll take a look at that
  • [12:14:21] <av500> _roger_: rowboat vs http://code.google.com/p/rowboat/ vs arowboat.org
  • [12:14:32] <av500> can't you make up your mind? :)
  • [12:15:28] <woglinde> so android is confused even on one board
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  • [12:19:31] <juhka> does the board always need to boot from the MMC? Or is the files loaded into the NAND at first boot?
  • [12:23:21] <av500> neither
  • [12:23:32] <av500> you can boot from mmc, nand, serial or usb
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  • [12:35:26] <SplasH> Hi, I have an OE related question. How can I update the Packages.gz in deploy/eglibc/ipkg? If I build a new recipe the ipkg package is added but the packege-list does not get updated.
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  • [12:36:03] <woglinde> why you dont ask in #oe?
  • [12:36:22] <mru> maybe he didn't like their answer
  • [12:36:23] <woglinde> but its bitbake package-index
  • [12:36:37] <woglinde> mru?
  • [12:37:18] <mru> woglinde: some people will keep on re-asking if the answer they get isn't to their liking, e.g. requires effort
  • [12:37:57] <woglinde> mru than I would have asked why he asked here again
  • [12:37:59] <koen> plz teach me exact steps
  • [12:38:06] <av500> send ME the codez!
  • [12:38:13] <koen> I'm an expert in the field
  • [12:38:14] <woglinde> give me linux
  • [12:38:20] <woglinde> okay
  • [12:38:21] <koen> I have some doubts about IRC
  • [12:38:29] <av500> sir!
  • [12:38:30] <woglinde> time to go
  • [12:38:39] <woglinde> soccer waits
  • [12:38:54] <SplasH> Because I know here are many people using openembedded. I didn't know #oe. Thx, next time I will ask in #oe... And that the FIRST time I ask...
  • [12:39:14] <mru> SplasH: sorry, that wasn't meant personally
  • [12:39:40] <woglinde> slpash its okay you got your answer
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  • [12:40:17] <koen> ah
  • [12:40:24] * koen finally recalls the word for it
  • [12:40:42] <koen> av500: 'doubts' can be use as a shiboleth
  • [12:40:48] <av500> yup
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  • [12:41:25] <koen> " The Dutch used the name of the port town Scheveningen as a shibboleth to tell Germans from the Dutch (the Dutch pronounce the S separately from the ch)."
  • [12:41:39] <av500> damn, was about to type Scheveningen :)
  • [12:42:43] <mru> koen: and the lederhosen weren't a dead giveaway?
  • [12:43:41] <koen> apparently not
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  • [12:44:28] <av500> mru: they came in fake trailers
  • [12:46:21] <fgau> koen: http://mister-muffin.de/p/z_oL.jpg nice session ;)
  • [12:46:52] <av500> ah, blurrycam
  • [12:47:28] <koen> fgau: thanks!
  • [12:47:30] <fgau> koen: but next time, please use a linux box :D
  • [12:47:36] <koen> right :)
  • [12:47:54] <koen> at ELC I cheated by using OOo from inside a vm :)
  • [12:48:21] <koen> if conferences would enter the 21st century and allow dvi I would have used a beagle
  • [12:48:37] <av500> koen: there is always svideo
  • [12:49:09] <koen> or hawkboard :)
  • [12:49:18] <av500> or lasers
  • [12:49:26] <koen> indeed
  • [12:49:56] <wmat> morning
  • [12:49:57] <koen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCquO57OXbY
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  • [13:00:31] <dm8tbr> .oO(shark-board, comes with lasers...)
  • [13:00:51] <dm8tbr> s/lasers/friggin lasers/
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  • [13:19:35] <juhka> VFAT same as W95 FAT (LBA)?
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  • [13:26:20] <juhka> av500, how do i transfer the u-boot to nand from MMC?
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  • [13:26:31] <Garagoth> juhka: mostly yes, I belive.
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  • [13:27:05] <juhka> allright thanks
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  • [13:32:54] <Garagoth> what is beagle-psp branch in git ?
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  • [14:08:14] <jkridner> koen: ping
  • [14:08:56] <jkridner> koen: it seems the git fetcher (not sure how to specify which version) only puts a static copy (not git backed) in the work directory....
  • [14:09:37] <jkridner> and the source repo in downloads/git doesn't have a checkout at all and I don't know how to point to it with OE.
  • [14:12:53] <mranostay> morning
  • [14:14:38] <jkridner> good morning mranostay
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  • [15:48:54] <koen> jkridner: correct, only fetch2 will give you the .git in ${S}
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  • [16:07:39] <jkridner> how do I enable fetch2?
  • [16:08:15] <jkridner> also, won't that result in an incomplete source mirror?
  • [16:08:32] <jkridner> if so, it seems like the wrong solution.
  • [16:09:17] <jkridner> export BBFETCH2=true ?
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  • [16:13:11] <jkridner> :( doing that results in an error: ERROR: Error parsing /home/angstrom/setup-scripts/sources/openembedded/recipes/bluez/bluez-utils_3.36.bb: 'module' object has no attribute 'init'
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  • [16:17:16] <siegen> .
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  • [16:17:57] <siegen> is there a possibility to don't use GPTIMER12 for kernel clock events?
  • [16:18:10] <rekrul_> anyone know if the android filesystem for pandaboard will work with the beagleboard?
  • [16:18:43] <rekrul_> Im trying to build 2.3.4 for the beagle board but the diretins from omappedia does not have anything for beagleboard
  • [16:18:55] <siegen> I would like to modify the priority scheme to work in such a manner that my Driver 's GPIO interrupt gets higher priority that this GP-TIMER interrupt.
  • [16:19:05] <siegen> to avoid jittering
  • [16:19:44] <Flipo> Hello, I often get garbage output in the terminal with angstrom and a usb-serial converter, after a few reboots it usually fixes itself, is that normal ?
  • [16:19:52] <Flipo> (using minicom)
  • [16:20:45] <mranostay> yeah i get that too
  • [16:21:28] <Flipo> ok at least I'm not alone
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  • [16:21:40] <mranostay> Flipo: http://elinux.org/OMAP_Power_Management#UART_wakeup_and_timeout_options
  • [16:22:02] <Flipo> also what's the best rc directory to start a python daemon ?
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  • [16:24:44] <mranostay> also CPUIdle will cause that not sure the above disables the cpu from powered the UART clock down
  • [16:24:50] <mranostay> *powering
  • [16:25:02] <mranostay> you could just build a kernel without it
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  • [16:32:33] <siegen> yes
  • [16:33:03] <siegen> when you disable that in the kernel no more garbage through serial
  • [16:33:16] <siegen> i faced the same problem time ago
  • [16:34:42] <mranostay> i usually connect via ssh anyway
  • [16:34:54] <av500> yes, CPUIDLE does that
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  • [16:46:05] <CMoH> hey. does anyone know what musb_plat.extvbus in the MUSB code does?
  • [16:46:43] <CMoH> i mean in the kernel code
  • [16:47:19] <av500> /* program PHY to use external vBus if required */
  • [16:47:36] <CMoH> av500, thanks - that's the comment ther e:D
  • [16:47:48] <CMoH> i mean how the omap3evm has vbus routed in rev E ?
  • [16:48:37] <av500> check the schematics?
  • [16:49:17] <CMoH> well i heard they're not public - i'll check again
  • [16:49:20] <koen> Crofton|work: I finally figured out what your USRP psu did to my travel adapter
  • [16:49:25] <koen> Crofton|work: it tripped the fuse :)
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  • [16:56:45] <jkridner> koen: did you see above? BBFETCH2 breaks Angstrom builds on 2011.03-maintenance
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  • [17:03:48] <koen> jkridner: corrent, you need to patch all bbclasses for it
  • [17:03:52] <koen> correct*
  • [17:04:02] <koen> jkridner: like I said, fetch2 only works in oe-core
  • [17:04:18] <koen> jkridner: btw, I got my kinect
  • [17:04:44] <jkridner> cool. so, cloud9 won't work in OE/Angstrom today?
  • [17:05:57] <koen> unless you make a snapshot and put that online
  • [17:06:08] <koen> cload9 doesn't do releases?
  • [17:07:29] <av500> koen: that is called rain9
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  • [17:08:05] <siegen> how can i set GPIO wit Fast interrupt request?
  • [17:08:14] <av500> ??
  • [17:08:42] <siegen> i am following your recommendation av500
  • [17:08:43] <siegen> but i'm a bit lost
  • [17:08:55] <woglinde> hm should I beg for a panda nor not
  • [17:09:14] <av500> on your knees
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  • [17:10:23] <av500> siegen: I dont have details
  • [17:10:31] <av500> and seems linux/arm/arm has some FIW support
  • [17:10:33] <woglinde> av500 you will send me one?
  • [17:10:57] <av500> it would be a disappointment for you if I did
  • [17:11:14] <av500> so you should prefer TI to send you one
  • [17:13:00] <woglinde> proably I should, the 128 mb ram on the beagle is maybee to low for some apps
  • [17:13:30] <av500> siegen: ah, I remembered that post: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-omap@vger.kernel.org/msg20706.html
  • [17:13:41] <av500> thats one usage of the FIQ
  • [17:14:01] <av500> http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-omap@vger.kernel.org/msg20622.html
  • [17:14:02] <siegen> i found some stuff about IFQ include/linux/interrupt.h there are some macros for IFQ
  • [17:14:14] <av500> yes, see that AMS delta stuff
  • [17:14:20] <woglinde> hm the tegra has fiq I think
  • [17:14:31] <av500> woglinde: every arm has afaik
  • [17:14:41] <av500> at least since arm7
  • [17:15:09] <woglinde> ah hm
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  • [17:16:41] <siegen> and in my board config file i dont know exactly if i could use instead : set_irq_type(......, IRQ_TYPE_EDGE_FALLING); set_irq_type(......, IRQF_TRIGGER_FALLING);
  • [17:16:56] <siegen> hehehe would be wonderful if this works
  • [17:16:58] <siegen> :)
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  • [17:17:59] <woglinde> try it
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  • [17:18:07] <siegen> hehe yes
  • [17:18:09] <woglinde> and report it
  • [17:18:12] <siegen> ok
  • [17:18:35] <siegen> av500: im going to look that link thanks
  • [17:19:00] <av500> siegen: I doubt you can set that in board config
  • [17:19:13] <av500> use these request/release FIQ calls
  • [17:19:14] <siegen> i know
  • [17:21:16] <woglinde> hm google makes a asset
  • [17:21:28] <woglinde> maybee I should give them some of money
  • [17:21:58] <av500> you do
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  • [17:26:07] <Crofton|work> koen, weird
  • [17:26:12] <Crofton|work> how big is the fuse?
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  • [17:31:09] <av500> now its small
  • [17:31:26] <woglinde> lol htc flyer for 900$
  • [17:32:08] <woglinde> after ipad2 after xoom who will buy it for this price
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  • [17:32:51] <dm8tbr> if you can have an archos for less than 1/3rd the price :)
  • [17:34:12] <av500> woglinde: ???669 at amazon?
  • [17:34:25] <woglinde> av500 without umts
  • [17:34:32] <av500> with
  • [17:34:32] <woglinde> that dont count
  • [17:34:35] <av500> 499 wifi only
  • [17:34:35] <woglinde> uhm
  • [17:34:44] <woglinde> bad article
  • [17:34:46] <woglinde> than
  • [17:35:10] <av500> woglinde: the usual error, taking ??? prices and multiplying by ???<>$ rate
  • [17:35:18] <av500> the rule is: ??? price = $price
  • [17:35:23] <av500> 99??? = 99$
  • [17:35:46] <woglinde> http://www.golem.de/1105/83519.html
  • [17:36:20] <av500> yes, 500+200 = 700
  • [17:36:40] <av500> says there
  • [17:37:11] <woglinde> okay than I read it wrong
  • [17:38:18] * av500 time jumps $home
  • [17:38:27] <av500> er, time warps
  • [17:38:58] <woglinde> till later
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  • [17:46:19] <ehsabd> hello there
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  • [18:54:54] <koen> Crofton|work: no idea on the fuse, I tinfoiled it now
  • [18:56:25] <Crofton|work> heh
  • [18:59:31] <koen> I'm an EE, so I'm allowed to tinfoil it
  • [19:00:14] <prpplague> koen: only on your head to keep out the alien signals
  • [19:05:11] <Crofton|work> stalkers
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  • [19:44:56] <julianoliver> is it possible to get my rev b6 BB to boot USR0 by default?
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  • [19:53:32] <woglinde> hi djlewis
  • [19:54:02] <djlewis_> gm, yes, an engineer knows exactly how much aluminum to use ;)
  • [19:55:01] <mru> remember, buying too much of it will make *them* suspicious
  • [19:59:11] * djlewis_ wants to use this 1ft square piece as gnd and a piece of steel wool as positive with a car battery for source
  • [19:59:21] <djlewis_> and drag the steel wool on the aluminum
  • [19:59:51] <djlewis_> insert/this<aluminum> 1ft
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  • [20:19:14] <pmathews> pour 100cc of cheap vodka on the steel wool & steel plate b4 attempting this :)
  • [20:19:38] <djlewis_> sounds even more interesting
  • [20:20:07] <pmathews> you didn't need that hair on your arms for anything anyway
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  • [20:21:34] <djlewis_> i passed up being a pizza cook cause of liking to keep the hair on my arms.
  • [20:22:47] <pmathews> That's what that mystery flavor on my last pizza was, eh?
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  • [20:37:49] <mranostay> djlewis_: er i'm sure engineer pays better anyway :)
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  • [20:41:30] <Crnobog> When I'm running the uboot console on my beagle it's outputting an orange screen on the DVI port - anyone know how to find out where uboot has set up a framebuffer for that?
  • [20:41:41] <_av500_> it has not
  • [20:41:48] <_av500_> afaik
  • [20:41:52] <Crnobog> Oh ok
  • [20:42:01] <Crnobog> How come it's outputting something then?
  • [20:42:20] <_av500_> constant color or so
  • [20:42:26] <Crnobog> When I start booting a Linux image it goes black which I assume is the linux kernel resetting it
  • [20:42:38] <_av500_> indeed
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  • [20:53:15] <wmat> grrr, my beagle hates me :/
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  • [20:53:30] <_av500_> nah
  • [20:53:33] <djlewis_> give it some cheese
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  • [20:53:58] <wmat> heh
  • [20:54:01] <wmat> http://bit.ly/jARmQ1
  • [20:54:11] <woglinde> my beagle hates me
  • [20:56:39] <_av500_> wmat: i guess you need to ask MV for support
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  • [20:57:08] <wmat> heh
  • [20:57:15] <wmat> _av500_: I work for MV
  • [20:57:44] <wmat> they've not done an XM before though
  • [20:57:59] <_av500_> wmat: i figured that much :)
  • [20:58:08] <_av500_> maybe ask on meld :)
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  • [21:22:40] <duffrecords> I want to create an automation system using Beagleboard and ZigBee wireless devices. what sort of expansion board would I need and where would I find it?
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  • [21:25:22] <mIKEjONES> get the beagleboard arduino shield
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  • [21:28:41] <djlewis_> duffrecords: a ZigBee could be easily wired to a TinCanTools Trainer board
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  • [21:34:30] <duffrecords> mIKEjONES: you mean the the Arduino Xbee shield?
  • [21:35:00] <benmcnelly> Planing on using the latest BB for digital signage, anyone have any "gotchas" I should know about before ordering?
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  • [21:36:47] <djlewis_> seems like overkill to change messages on a sign?
  • [21:37:10] <djlewis_> but then I am not aware of your overall idea.
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  • [21:41:53] <djlewis_> duffrecords: Arduino is not directly voltage compatible with Beagleboards
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  • [21:46:17] <duffrecords> djlewis_: so I could plug a TinCanTools Trainer board into the BeagleBoard and then plug in, for example, an XBee transceiver?
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  • [21:50:03] <djlewis_> duffrecords: some wiring would be required
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  • [21:50:23] <djlewis_> the Trainer has serial and 3.3V interfaces
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  • [21:51:45] <koen> and +5V if you move the jumper
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  • [21:54:33] <ds2> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww 5V logic
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  • [22:02:56] <djlewis_> they will have to pry my 5V logic out of my cold dead fingers !
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  • [22:04:20] <ds2> why? what is there to pry out when it is all dust ;)
  • [22:04:56] <djlewis_> hehee
  • [22:05:27] * djlewis_ has lots of fun 5V stuff left to play with.
  • [22:05:52] <ds2> voltage conversion is just plain silliness
  • [22:08:49] <duffrecords> so is there a simpler way of getting a BB to talk to ZigBee devices wirelessly? I want to keep my design as small, simple, and inexpensive as possible
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  • [22:09:11] <ds2> USB to UART
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  • [22:13:21] <MikeBullock> I am new to the BeagleBoard-XM and am trying to make mplayer work with the OMAP hardware, without needed to load X windows/gnome. So far mplayer works, but its speed is very slow compared to omapfbplay.
  • [22:13:37] <djlewis_> duffrecords: voltage convert the required signals on the Beagleboard to the ZigBee
  • [22:14:43] <djlewis_> MikeBullock: i founf mplayer to be quite fast without the gui.
  • [22:14:53] <djlewis_> MikeBullock: what are you playing as source?
  • [22:15:22] <djlewis_> matter of fact, I can play avi movies just fine
  • [22:15:26] <djlewis_> with gui
  • [22:15:41] <duffrecords> djlewis_: does that require an additional component? I'm more of a sysadmin person--hardware is not my specialty
  • [22:15:59] <djlewis_> duffrecords: yes voltage translator ic's
  • [22:16:05] <djlewis_> TI makes them
  • [22:16:34] <MikeBullock> djlewis: I am using a MPEG4 as my source file.
  • [22:16:55] <MikeBullock> and my BeagleBoard is using a build I made from the Narcissus site
  • [22:18:44] <djlewis_> someone else may have MPEG4 answers
  • [22:18:51] <_av500_> yes, mplayer is slow
  • [22:19:03] <_av500_> it does not have neon color conversion
  • [22:20:00] <_av500_> try mplayer with NULL output
  • [22:20:05] <_av500_> how fast is that?
  • [22:21:54] <MikeBullock> NULL output gives about a 50% CPU reduction
  • [22:22:27] <MikeBullock> If I use the X enviroment, will mplayer perform better? Or is there another player that makes better use of the hardware?
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  • [22:27:02] <_av500_> omapfbplay make good use if it
  • [22:27:04] <_av500_> of it
  • [22:27:45] <_av500_> yuo can also look into gst_ti that uses the dsp
  • [22:27:54] <_av500_> but its another can of worms
  • [22:28:15] <_av500_> it should work in current angstrom though
  • [22:29:08] <MikeBullock> omapfbplay doesn't play audio or stream data. Two things I need.
  • [22:29:27] <ds2> add support and push it upstream?
  • [22:30:10] <_av500_> MikeBullock: indeed
  • [22:30:17] <djlewis_> cool
  • [22:30:23] <_av500_> it showcases efficient video playback
  • [22:30:57] <_av500_> MikeBullock: and it should stream data if you give it a url
  • [22:30:58] <djlewis_> MikeBullock: you could work on gstreamer pipe to get audio and video
  • [22:31:12] <djlewis_> can't speak for its speed though
  • [22:31:26] <_av500_> e.g. http://foo.bar/baz.avi
  • [22:32:00] <_av500_> MikeBullock: thurbad here added audio to ofbp
  • [22:32:12] <_av500_> and promised to give us teh codez!!
  • [22:39:42] * djlewis_ heads home :)
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